[!Aznboi128]

Hello Revscene!

I'm looking for a new car and have narrowed it down to either the TLX or Q50, both are comfy sedans with decent power. Just wondering if any of you guys have anything to add, suggestions, opinions?

The TLX I'm looking at is the v6 with SH-awd, 9-speed Elite while the Q50 is with the 3.7 "sport" line.

or whatever else falls in the same price/power field

budget is around 30k

for the people voting others, please comment below what else would be good

[ken24]

Not sure if you test drove the Q50 yet, but when i picked mine up i tested the premium and the sports with tech package and they're two different car. The biggest thing you should consider is if you want the tech package or not, it really does change the car's feeling completely.

The premium has a bit more body lean compared to a 3-series from the same year, but nothing too noticeable. The run flat tires does make the ride a bit harsh so the sports suspension won't help if that matters to you. Eco mode does feel sluggish but not slow. Not sure if you driven a G37 before, but on the Q50 the normal mode is the G37 sports mode and the Q50 sports mode is the G37 IPL sports mode. I drive about 70km daily and filling 91 my tanks runs out every week, give or take a day.

Got mine with 30km and it's at 41k km now and not a single problem. I live in Edmonton and it's been fine in heavy/icy roads. Cabin noise isn't perfect if you drive highway a lot. If it drops below -20 and you park outside you do hear some squeaks for the first few minutes. Overall build quality is pretty good to me, be prepared for finger prints everywhere....

If you pick the Q50 i really recommend driving with and without tech package. I loved the additional safety features the tech package comes with, but in the end I didn't like how the DAS felt. Keep in mind resale value, without the tech package you don't get features that seem standard on a lot of cars these days.No Blind spot detection, 360 camera, you get rear view camera but not 360 view, also without the tech package the rear view camera does not have sensors.

Hope this helps, good luck!

[!Aznboi128]

^thanks that does, I'm going in to test drive a q50 sport on Thursday and will be able to tell then.

I drove the tlx today and found it to be similar to my accord, nothing really that special about it. It felt like just another car.

[MrPhreak]

Kind of a boring class, I am surprised you are looking at them when I see the cars list in your sig.

You might want to go have a look at a Buick Regal GS, it will give you a lot more bang for your buck and they have one of the highest reliability ratings (which is weird being that it is a GM line) and I bet you can get one in your price range after discounts. Plus they are supposed to be a very nice driving vehicle, a little less boring than the TLX and Q50. Car journalists couldn't say enough good things about it when it came out, I think it is just overshadowed by the hype of other cars right now.

[!Aznboi128]

^ Actually looked into it, but the interior is just not up to par. Quality of materials and gaps are not to be desired

[k3lv]

I voted for "OTHER".

Another great option would be the CX-3. Comfortable car with great power. 5 star safety rating, stylish looks, it is the best car money can buy. I disconnected the exhaust, now it rumbles like a boxer engine too. I also lowered it and it grips like a go kart.

IF anyone disagrees, they can cash me outside.

[jeedee]

I voted for "OTHER".

Another great option would be the CX-3. Comfortable car with great power. 5 star safety rating, stylish looks, it is the best car money can buy. I disconnected the exhaust, now it rumbles like a boxer engine too. I also lowered it and it grips like a go kart.

IF anyone disagrees, they can cash me outside.

judging by OP's post; he's looking for a 'comfy' sedan not a SUV....

[!Aznboi128]

stupid k3lv being a troll as always

BP655JsA0-H

that's his car

[ilvtofu]

Will be hard to come by but the Genesis will have a better interior than both TLX and Q50. Resale will be shit.

Love the way the Q50 looks but not a fan of the infotainment interface or the steering. Early ones were also unreliable, will be hard to find a 2015 Q50S for $30k. Also find the back seat cramped for adult males. Objectively it just isn't a very good "luxury" sedan.

TLX > the Q50 if I had to choose. Aside from the 9 speed that may be a ticking time bomb but throw an extended warranty on it if you're worried

[k3lv]

judging by OP's post; he's looking for a 'comfy' sedan not a SUV....

Sorry I must have mis-read.

OP, please see below for perfect car.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/brig2221/Detailed3.jpg

[!Aznboi128]

bruh.....

[swfk]

I went to try the 2016 Q50S 400 Red Sport thinking it would be a great super sedan to daily. Turns out to be a very disconnected experience. Buttons on the dash made no sense to me and made me rather angry, pushing a button down here engages something on the screen really far away. The driving aids are also super invasive.

Lease a new car so if you get hit (which ya did :troll: ) you don't get affected by depreciation.

[noclue]

I used to own a TLX Tech with the 2.4L I4. It's great on gas and reliable but the tech annoyed me and interior felt cheap. The dual screen is a design failure and the UI lags a lot. The purported ELS audio system is not very good as well. Changing songs on bluetooth audio also has a huge delay. I personally think the accord currently is better with carplay + much better UI.

I recommend a slighty used 328i/C300 instead unless you really need the power of a V6.

[!Aznboi128]

I like the power of the v6.... been used to it

[CorneringArtist]

Kind of a boring class, I am surprised you are looking at them when I see the cars list in your sig.

You might want to go have a look at a Buick Regal GS, it will give you a lot more bang for your buck and they have one of the highest reliability ratings (which is weird being that it is a GM line) and I bet you can get one in your price range after discounts. Plus they are supposed to be a very nice driving vehicle, a little less boring than the TLX and Q50. Car journalists couldn't say enough good things about it when it came out, I think it is just overshadowed by the hype of other cars right now.

Might have to echo the sentiment of a GM product for this class as well, surprisingly. Cadillac ATS has been known to be a competent driver, despite the notorious GM interior quality. Depreciation has hit some of these cars hard enough that both the turbo 4 and V6 Performance models fall well under your budget.

[!Aznboi128]

ats is pretty small, the rear seats are pretty cramped

[GS8]

Might have to echo the sentiment of a GM product for this class as well, surprisingly. Cadillac ATS has been known to be a competent driver, despite the notorious GM interior quality. Depreciation has hit some of these cars hard enough that both the turbo 4 and V6 Performance models fall well under your budget.

Initial quality and overall reliability with GM products is pretty high. Yes the interiors are not good compared to the competition but most of their clientele don't mind it because they're getting into a very capable car at a lower price. They tend to be cheaper to maintain as well. It's just GM's business model I suppose. Bang for buck.

2014 CTS grew in size. Might be worth a look though I heard mixed things about CUE.

[CorneringArtist]

ats is pretty small, the rear seats are pretty cramped

To be honest, I'd have to say that the Lexus IS looks even smaller by comparison. That, and the incredibly annoying AWD front diff hump extending into the cabin by your right foot makes the interior feel even more cramped. Shame you can't get the 350 RWD with the new body style anymore.

[!Aznboi128]

^ thus why I'm looking at the IS

[MrPhreak]

^ Actually looked into it, but the interior is just not up to par. Quality of materials and gaps are not to be desired

Yeah I would agree with that

I personally would be looking at an Audi S4 in that sort of market, but I think that will edge up too much on your price.

[syee]

TLX > the Q50 if I had to choose. Aside from the 9 speed that may be a ticking time bomb but throw an extended warranty on it if you're worried

It seems that the issue was "fixed" in the 2016/17 as owners of the newer models didn't notice the issues in the 2015 MY. Still the same ZF 9 speed but I guess it was a software update to fix the jerky 1-2/2-3 shifting

[!LittleDragon]

Go test drive a used V6 Genesis... or test out my 5.0 but you won't want the V6 afterwards... lol

[cho]

how about a brz

[J-Chow]

how about a brz

:yuno:

OP requested a "Comfy sedan with decent power".

:pokerface:

[Reeyal]

One major difference between the Q50 and the TLX is the drive train. The Q50 is rear wheel bias in AWD configuration and the TLX is front wheel bias in AWD configuration. Basically means that if AWD is not needed, most (or all) of the torque is sent to the biased wheels.

IMO, I can't stand FWD cars after owning RWD and rear bias AWD vehicles... :pokerface:

[jaemc]

All comes down to driving both and see which one feels better for you.

I personally would stay away from the 2015 TLX. 2016 TLX and up is slightly more refined.

[!Aznboi128]

All comes down to driving both and see which one feels better for you.

I personally would stay away from the 2015 TLX. 2016 TLX and up is slightly more refined.
Was looking in to year to year changes, not much was made. All models of the TLX has a TSB out to fix the 9-speed shifting algorithm.

http://www.urvi.net/forumfiles/SB/B16-012.PDF

[Mkhun]

I voted "other"

Gently used Lexus GS or Passat CC R-line.

[!Aznboi128]

I voted "other"

Gently used Lexus GS or Passat CC R-line.
I do like a GS but the updated version doesn't appeal to me that much especially with that grille, the Passat CC R-line we did check one out however since the introduction of the CC back in 2008, the car overall hasn't changed yes it has a restyled front and rear but the interior stayed the same and now that it's 10 years old even buying a car that's only 2 years old seems dated. It doesn't have key safety features that's available in other manufactures

[heleu]

It's pretty subjective which car is "better".

From a financial standpoint, Acura is the winner for least depreciation (https://www.kbb.com/new-cars/5-year-cost-to-own-awards/best-brand/?r=2240557480361671.2).

[Arvi604]

Look at a 3 series. Seriously. I cross shopped this segment myself recently. TLX nice seats and interior, questionable transmission and in the end is a tarted up Accord. I personally prefer the new V6 accord if you're going to go this route. Q50s almost won me over. I loved the look and the awesome engine. Not a fan of infotainment and poor fuel efficiency. The 3 series handled incredibly well, nice ergonomic German interior and fantastic driving dynamics.

[ilvtofu]

Look at a 3 series. Seriously. I cross shopped this segment myself recently. TLX nice seats and interior, questionable transmission and in the end is a tarted up Accord. I personally prefer the new V6 accord if you're going to go this route. Q50s almost won me over. I loved the look and the awesome engine. Not a fan of infotainment and poor fuel efficiency. The 3 series handled incredibly well, nice ergonomic German interior and fantastic driving dynamics.

Easily the best transmission and infotainment out of the three, the 2.0 is pretty damn fast too. Back seat is not as roomy as the TLX but IMO is more than enough for most couples. Apparently in terms of interior volume the current 3 is as big as the e23 7 series. Should have a good selection of 2014 328xi around $30k.
328d would save you a significant amount in fuel costs compared to a Q50 running premium @ ~14-15L/100km

[Arvi604]

Easily the best transmission and infotainment out of the three, the 2.0 is pretty damn fast too. Back seat is not as roomy as the TLX but IMO is more than enough for most couples. Apparently in terms of interior volume the current 3 is as big as the e23 7 series. Should have a good selection of 2014 328xi around $30k.
328d would save you a significant amount in fuel costs compared to a Q50 running premium @ ~14-15L/100km

Oh yeah I can't say enough good things about th ZF8. Far and away the best transmission.

[BoS_DC2]

I voted for others,

I'm currently leasing a 2016 TLX Elite SH-AWD and it's a nice vehicle with a lot of gadgets, really good handling when mated with proper winter tires.

Power delivery is decent but the 9speed transmission is awful for any spirited driving. Other than that, if you want a nice go-to vehicle that has a lot of modern features such as heated steering wheel, cooled and heated seats, navigation, parking sensors etc etc. The TLX Elite is a superb vehicle. Just don't expect to be racing other cars in this category lol.

Honestly though, I do like the look and performance of those new bmw 340i xdrives... Then again, I will only lease these newer vehicles as you cannot trust any of them past their warranties.

Edit: My 2016 does not have any issues atm. Only model year that has problems are the 2015.

[bcrdukes]

I personally would stay away from the 2015 TLX. 2016 TLX and up is slightly more refined.

My 2016 does not have any issues atm. Only model year that has problems are the 2015.

Been car shopping myself lately too. What is wrong with the 2015 TLX models and is improved on the 2016+ models?

[Lomac]

Was looking in to year to year changes, not much was made. All models of the TLX has a TSB out to fix the 9-speed shifting algorithm.

http://www.urvi.net/forumfiles/SB/B16-012.PDF

My TLX Elite tester a while back had a shifter issue, causing the car to end up at the Langley Acura dealership near the end of the review period. It also refused to shift out of Park occasionally.

It's a very comfortable cruiser on the highways and the semi-autonomous driving aids worked very well on the Coquihalla. But as mentioned elsewhere, it's not a terribly inspiring car to drive if you want something to tackle switchbacks.

How about a Mazda 6? Admittedly not fantastic when it comes to power but it's an otherwise great driving car.

[Lomac]

Been car shopping myself lately too. What is wrong with the 2015 TLX models and is improved on the 2016+ models?

I'm curious about this too. I reviewed both the 2015 and 2016 models and couldn't find any real difference between the two years, apart from the transmission issue.

[AstulzerRZD]

To be honest, I'd have to say that the Lexus IS looks even smaller by comparison. That, and the incredibly annoying AWD front diff hump extending into the cabin by your right foot makes the interior feel even more cramped. Shame you can't get the 350 RWD with the new body style anymore.

You can get one in the US! Lexus warranty works in Canada as well.

[jdzle69]

2015 tlx 9 speed has problems

[!e.lo_]

how about a brz

automatic

[Robert Stack]

Get the cleanest '02 LS430 on the planet

[roastpuff]

I voted TLX, but I just thought of something else. Alfa Romeo Giulia Ti.

What a beauty. (https://www.alfaromeo.ca/cars/alfaromeo-giulia-2017)

https://www.alfaromeo.ca/content/alfaca/en/cars/alfaromeo-giulia-2017/jcr:content/main/promo/image.img.png/1486255666246.png

[bcrdukes]

Way over $30K :lol

[Traum]

How about a Mazda 6? Admittedly not fantastic when it comes to power but it's an otherwise great driving car.
x2 on the Mazda6, and I wouldn't worry about the power thing either. It is not a powerhouse, but unless you enjoy traffic light drag racing, I don't really see why you'd call it lacking in the power department. You just have to be willing to step on it a bit and it'll happily oblige.

[!Aznboi128]

x2 on the Mazda6, and I wouldn't worry about the power thing either. It is not a powerhouse, but unless you enjoy traffic light drag racing, I don't really see why you'd call it lacking in the power department. You just have to be willing to step on it a bit and it'll happily oblige.
It's not often but sometimes it just feels good to be pushed back in your seat listening to the hum of a v6.

the 2.5 skyactive is in the cx-5 and mazda 3 which I'm currently driving. It's perfect in the mazda 3, in the cx5 which is similar in weight to the 6 is just lacking.

[snowball]

But as mentioned elsewhere, it's not a terribly inspiring car to drive if you want something to tackle switchbacks.


Sigh how far we've fallen since the late 90s Honda era. The 3G TL-S was my favourite car to "borrow", even FWD I never really noticed it except in the rain.

[jdzle69]

yea what about the TL SH-AWD 6 speed sedan! i think id pick that over the TLX nowadays im leasing one atm but its just a nicer accord with SH-AWD and a 9 speed transmission that is very good for fuel economy!

[Lomac]

x2 on the Mazda6, and I wouldn't worry about the power thing either. It is not a powerhouse, but unless you enjoy traffic light drag racing, I don't really see why you'd call it lacking in the power department. You just have to be willing to step on it a bit and it'll happily oblige.

When I reviewed the 6 last year for Revscene, I had to trudge it up and down the Coquihalla one day. Around town and the Lower Mainland, there was enough power. But once you started hitting the steeper hills, it became obviously underpowered. No, it was never dangerous but I can imagine a fully loaded one (four passengers and luggage) would be a bit of a white knuckler.

[XplicitLuder]

honestly love the Q50, and i told myself when i make more $ in life i will own one after having that M45x. And the Q50 can be modded so nicely :awwyeah:

[punkwax]

Bit more than 30K but I suggest a new V6 Accord. Or look at previous gen body style to stay within budget. I was looking at TLX, have owned an IS before (zero interior for a sedan) and decided on an Accord touring V6. Plenty power for me, avoided the TLX transmission issues and filling up with regular FTW. Can get 600+ kms on a 65L tank.

Kinda old mannish but I'm getting kinda old mannish so no ragrets.

[Lomac]

I, too, agree with the Accord. Maybe a seventh gen. Maybe a coupe with the V6... Just spit ballin' here.

:troll:

[a90a93]

I have a '13 6 speed manual V6 Accord Coupe and love the power and the handling is decent considering how big the car is. I find it a little more youthful looking than a full size 4 door.

[punkwax]

Coupes are nicer, I agree, but sedans still have good potential (mine is white so biased):

https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3786/11295817334_31170c4475_z.jpg
http://www.elementwheels.com/vehicleimages/stancesc8gmaccord.jpg
etc

[Shorn]

i drove a q50 sport before, i had a g37s previously so it wasn't too impressive. i like the exterior looks, and the interior is not bad but i really disliked the dual screen thing they did.

i've never actually been inside a tlx but i like the way it looks!

but with the q50 from what i understand the new engine is only available in 2016, which will probably affect the resale values of 2015 models?

and i've heard lots of good things about the new VR30DDTT, and it sounds like its very tunable as well. not sure if the engine matters alot to you, but if you don't need a car right now, i would suggest holding out for another year or 2 and wait for the 2016 q50s to come down in price.

[!Aznboi128]

LOL i love the comments guys, some of you might know but I've owned 4 accords in my time a 99 sedan, 03 coupe, 07 sedan and 07 coupe.

I recently sold my 07 Coupe v6 6-speed to my friend to downsize to one car, my wife's 07 v6 sedan. 2 weeks ago we got in an accident and it was written off. It kept us safe but this is primary her car but she wants something else now. She wants a bit of an upgrade.

Although I do like the 2017 Accord, I driven the touring model it was quiet, powerful, and quick. It's just a bit boring for her taste.

i drove a q50 sport before, i had a g37s previously so it wasn't too impressive. i like the exterior looks, and the interior is not bad but i really disliked the dual screen thing they did.

i've never actually been inside a tlx but i like the way it looks!

but with the q50 from what i understand the new engine is only available in 2016, which will probably affect the resale values of 2015 models?

and i've heard lots of good things about the new VR30DDTT, and it sounds like its very tunable as well. not sure if the engine matters alot to you, but if you don't need a car right now, i would suggest holding out for another year or 2 and wait for the 2016 q50s to come down in price.

For the price point we're looking at it'll have the old g37 VQ instead. I'm going to drive it tomorrow, depending on weather and seeing how we like the interior.

[godwin]

Infiniti has a better chassis than the Acura, the way it is layout it makes diy much more comfortable.

It depends on your preference, maintenance budget where you care about resale or not. Don't forget about insurance rates too.

[tofu1413]

having driven both..... and lived with both... for a day and over night....

the two cars are pretty much neck to neck in appeal.

Q50 has a slight edge in chassis feel, sportier (it is RWD based afterall and running the FM premium platform). The factory run flats suck, especially on the Sport model cars where the ride is quite firm. Bigger S brakes are great and have great feel. The trunk is quite shallow (the G37 sedan was way deeper). rear head room was meh. The infotainment requires software updates now and then, but my initial memory of it was it was laggy. Thirstier VQ motor, but plenty of power and torque. Excellent AWD system. non Tech package cars without drive by wire steering actually feels decent, whereas the Drive by wire steering feels like a logitech wheel.... Pretty solid car overall with nice build quality, and nice use of materials on the interior. Grain of leather was quite nice. Love the organic exterior lines and still looks stunning since release in 2014.


TLX - Nice power and fuel economy from the motor. 9 speed transmission was ok... weird to not have a physical shifter. doesnt feel sharp, SH-AWD trying to compensate. (the 4 banger with P-AWS felt nimbler) nicer interior room overall compared to Q50 . interior materials were mediocre.... soft touch dash was nice, the leather was ok... not supple but should last. center stack was no different from a standard pre 16' Accord... and looks dated already. The ones I drove were elites. pretty loaded cars. nice to have auto start from factory. Its an "ok" comfortable car for the daily basis, but dynamically the Q50S has the edge. Another thing im lukewarm about it is the styling: I personally am not a big fan of the way it looks...... and i'm afraid it will look dated very soon. (04-08 gen has aged very gracefully)



Two very different cars despite in same "class" and price point. Need to drive both to see which suits your needs. A) a more compact 3 series fighter "sport sedan" or B) a Tarted up Honda Accord V6 with AWD

[BoS_DC2]

Been car shopping myself lately too. What is wrong with the 2015 TLX models and is improved on the 2016+ models?

2015 was the first year the TLX was introduced as well as the 9 speed automatics and they had shifter problems with a TSB released.

2016 came with the shifter issue resolved and we haven't had any come in for such issues. Now i'm not sure if they've reinforced some components from factory in the 2016 but zero issues what so ever.

Other than that, the two model years are the same lol. :lawl:


Edit: 2014 TL SHAWD imo are the best sedans that Acura has in their line-up so far. The 3.7L motor and automatic transmission is powerful/strong... They're just not the nicest looking things

[Timpo]

http://www.impul.co.jp/products/model/V37_SKYLINE/203.jpg

[Timpo]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/08/0d/9d/080d9d049e926bf39dcb05b98c5eaa78.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/75/ab/ff/75abff01fad0c92fad5e6168bf6b809c.jpg

[tofu1413]

https://drivetofive.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/fronts.jpg


still better looking.

[bcrdukes]

2015 was the first year the TLX was introduced as well as the 9 speed automatics and they had shifter problems with a TSB released.

2016 came with the shifter issue resolved and we haven't had any come in for such issues. Now i'm not sure if they've reinforced some components from factory in the 2016 but zero issues what so ever.

Other than that, the two model years are the same lol. :lawl:

Since there is a TSB, would the transmission be covered under warranty and repaired/replaced at Honda's cost or the consumer?

Weird how Honda hasn't gotten their transmission right. I guess every manufacturer has its Achilles heel.

[syee]

Since there is a TSB, would the transmission be covered under warranty and repaired/replaced at Honda's cost or the consumer?

Weird how Honda hasn't gotten their transmission right. I guess every manufacturer has its Achilles heel.

Actually, the 9 speed isn't an Acura made transmission. It's a ZF sourced one. Surprisingly, the 8 speed DCT they use for the 4 cylinder TLX is Acura made and seems to get way better reviews than the 9 speed in the V6.

[!Aznboi128]

So we went into see Tofu1413 at Brian Jessel BMW to test a Q50s

It drives really well the q50 with sport package without the tech package means it have a life in the steering, the engine pulls strong and gives a nice twitch at startup to let you know the engine is longitude mounted. The dual screen setup isn't something I can live with all that much its slow to respond and the nav seems out of date already. The back seats are a bit tighter and minimal trunk space means it's out.

After this Alex showed us the 328d, although it looks slightly smaller and drives smaller the BMW is an overall a better call and since it's diesel I wouldn't have to worry about the fuel consumption that hampers the Q50s.

Sadly at this time, it's up to the wife she still has no clue what she wants. So far we test driven.2015 TLX, 2010 TL, 2010 TSX, 2015 GTI, 2016 Tiguan, 2015 Forester XT, 2017 Mazda 3, 2017 Mazda 6, 2016 Mazda Cx-5.

Now she's picking a car like she picks shoes.... Buy them all! lol

[tofu1413]

i'm surprised no one said miata...




:troll:

[Hakkaboy]

Sadly at this time, it's up to the wife she still has no clue what she wants. So far we test driven.2015 TLX, 2010 TL, 2010 TSX, 2015 GTI, 2016 Tiguan, 2015 Forester XT, 2017 Mazda 3, 2017 Mazda 6, 2016 Mazda Cx-5.



what's your impression of TL vs TSX vs TLX?

[!Aznboi128]

what's your impression of TL vs TSX vs TLX?
The 2010 TL is big and boaty, auto works well here as it's really a comfy big sedan. the styling from the rear is not to everyone's taste.

the tsx I tried out was the 4cylinder and it felt terribly under powered. the interior dash layout seems a bit too busy (didn't have nav) with a lot of buttons.

TLX, the 9-speed feels like it hunts for gears a bit too much for my liking, using the same engine as the 2010 TL with less weight it was a better match.

Overall all three were great cars for everyday, they don't have much that's too special about them. When driving it just doesn't make you feel special, it needs a bit more character to be truly enjoyable.

[tofu1413]

When i Really think about it.........



I think the Accord Euro R would've been perfect for you :troll:

[Timpo]

The TLX is now powered by K24.

The Honda K series has been around for way too long since its introduction in 2000.
After 17 years, K series has been retaining the same basics without any major modifications.

Why aren't they introducing new series?

Using the same engine(virtually) for almost 2 decades? :lawl:
Honda B series lasted 12 years (1989-2001) and I thought that was a bit too long.

[Traum]

The TLX is now powered by K24.

The Honda K series has been around for way too long since its introduction in 2000.
After 17 years, K series has been retaining the same basics without any major modifications.

Why aren't they introducing new series?

Using the same engine(virtually) for almost 2 decades? :lawl:
Honda B series lasted 12 years (1989-2001) and I thought that was a bit too long.
K20C1 & L15B7

/Timpo