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What's the current sub-$100k dream car?
Amaru
03-19-2017, 03:52 AM
Let's pretend for a moment here.
I'm giving you $100k to spend on a BRAND NEW car today.
You must buy TODAY (ie. dealers must be accepting orders and be ready to sell you one today).... come tomorrow, offer is off, and I'm taking my money back if you haven't bought something by then.
Must be under $100k delivered after taxes, you can't spend a cent more. Again, must be new (ie. 2016 or newer model year, less than 1000km on the odo).
Whatever you pick, you have to use it as your daily driver (ie. not a weekend car) for the next 4 years. You will have to pay for maintenance personally after the initial purchase.
What are you buying and why?
:pokerface:
Amaru
03-19-2017, 04:21 AM
(I have a feeling this thread will feature much sucking of the Porsche cock, but please kids, ask yourself whether you can live with a sub-$100k Porsche as your DD for 4 years. SwiftRage)
68style
03-19-2017, 06:43 AM
I was instantly going to say the new Lexus LC, but unbelievably they have priced it starting at $101,500 CDN hahaha, way too high for old tech (Lexus wise) engine etc..
My pick would have to be the new Giulia just to be different but.... eep at $87k I think that's over too??? Dammit... fail... okay give me a Mustang 350R just go full redneck instead.
Badhobz
03-19-2017, 06:58 AM
this aint that hard.
Drivers car : porsche cayman 718
SUV: Lexus LX/GX yes its hideous but they are very capable and comfy.
Zedbra
03-19-2017, 07:17 AM
If it was me needing a daily driver, I would get a loaded Audi Q7. I drive 40,000km per year in all road conditions. I have kids. This is "practical" in that price range. I could afford the maintenance.
I asked my wife this sub $100k question - she wants a loaded Dodge Ram pickup. Long story short, where she is from in Europe what we call 'luxury cars' are quite common, but it is prestigious to own a Dodge Ram. She currently drives my truck often and likes have the height and space.
thumper
03-19-2017, 07:33 AM
this. ford online inventory shows it as available:
Search Inventory - 2017 Mustang Shelby GT350® (http://inventoryfoc.ford.ca/dealer/Coastal-Ford-Sales-B7232/model/2017-Mustang/vin/1FA6P8JZ6H5520628?zipcode=V5B3J1&segment=Car&inventoryType=extended&ownerPACode=B7245&lang=en&branding=1)
http://buildfoc.ford.com/dig/Ford/Mustang/2017/BP3TT-FULL-EXT/Image[%7CFord%7CMustang%7C2017%7C1%7C1.%7C900A.P8J..PQ.. 88B.LTS.COU.94B.67U.LRS.64S.RLS.44E.SHB.891.]/EXT/1/vehicle.png
https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17359347_10155092166938134_4667991582590267760_o.j pg?oh=292810d37d84b0c1578d3761ef70217e&oe=5954CFD3
i have already been driving my GT all through this miserable winter so this shouldn't be harder to daily, only louder and a lot faster.
service is not an issue because it follows the same schedule i have for my 5.0. my last dealer service cost me $70 :thumbsup:
why? because after years of beaters, econoboxes and rice burners (except for my old type-r... RIP :( ), torque+rwd= :fullofwin:
i want to say gt350r, but after dealer markups there is no way to get it under $100k :cry:
.... also my driver's license would go up in a puff of smoke. :pokerface:
so can you please be my benefactor amaru? ;)
supafamous
03-19-2017, 07:42 AM
Mercedes E400 wagon or GLC43 AMG. Gotta be able to haul stuff from Ikea and be able to comfortably carry the in-laws. Both comfortably make it in under $100k after taxes.
68style
03-19-2017, 07:56 AM
I always LOL at people who buy cars with their in-laws in mind. That's their problem! 2-seater for life yo! I'd rather hammer nails into my own balls than chauffeur in-laws around.
I'm also not Asian though :pokerface:
westopher
03-19-2017, 08:30 AM
M2/M3 for me no question.
The M2 is the only new car I have any interest in that I could possibly be allowed to financially cripple myself for. The M3 is in the parameters of the thread for me, but no chance in real life.
bcrdukes
03-19-2017, 08:48 AM
2017 Toyota Corolla
jdzle69
03-19-2017, 08:48 AM
Merc C63 AMG-S
bcuzracecarz
03-19-2017, 08:55 AM
M3 for me, close second but breaking the rules (since not available this second) would be the new RS3 when it arrives. Also soft spot for the GT350 but as a daily might be a little harsh.
The idea of spending $100k on a car isn't for me but if I had to choose the one that ticks all the boxes for me, it would be this one:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HnFZuHLVyJY/maxresdefault.jpg
And that's only because the CTS-V is over $100k
Verdasco
03-19-2017, 09:51 AM
u guys not care about rear wheel drive vs all wheel drive when getting BMW M series?
hud 91gt
03-19-2017, 09:55 AM
Are you saying you want AWD? RWD for me all the way if I had the choice.
I want a wagon if its my only car. Do they still make an RS4 (yes I realize this is awd lol)?
dark0821
03-19-2017, 09:59 AM
umm.... I might go against the grain here but...
I will totally rock a
2017 Corvette Grand Sport 3LT Package..
comes to $86,880 plus taxes to about 98K all said and done....
and yes... the 3LT is the top package that comes with all the bells and whistles....
the Z06 is out of the budget, and plus I want to say the grand sport will be more comfortable and just as fast 90% of the time... I am too poor to go to the track often enough to warrant the extra performace a Z06 offers....
plus... maintenance must be cheaper than the German counterparts....
MrPhreak
03-19-2017, 10:12 AM
I think it depends on what you are looking for
Track Orientated:
M2
4C
Cayman
TT-RS
Evora
City stop-light hero:
M3/M4
RS3
S4/S5
Shelby/Hellcat/whatever the other noisy domestic is
Lightly equipped Vette
CTS-V / ATS-V
Luxury fun:
SQ5
Macan
Jeep SRT
The vette could fall under the track orientated easily, but I don't think you can option it up for less than 100K
I've left out a lot of Mercs, can't keep up with their numbering
ilovebacon
03-19-2017, 11:04 AM
q60. I really like how the rear looks and they improve their interior alot comparing them from the past.
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjy59DYoePSAhXDKWMKHVWaBpAQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.topgear.com%2Fcar-news%2Fdetroit-motor-show%2Finfiniti-q60-coupe-looks-good-and-comes-400bhp&psig=AFQjCNFBJjIw3rZSeDS_G89FxyYckMRjtw&ust=1490036768046135
Wouldnt mind the new looks of the ats-v either
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwifqIHQvu7SAhUB-2MKHXbKAmwQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecarconnection.com%2Fovervi ew%2Fcadillac_ats-v_2017&psig=AFQjCNEdZo3fj320ecDMxo4IQFFTWJQZCA&ust=1490422501614059
tiger_handheld
03-19-2017, 11:50 AM
Nisan Leaf
320icar
03-19-2017, 12:27 PM
Brand new ford raptor with all the bells and whistles. If you add on a few dealer extras like tonneau cover and shit, should be hovering right around 100k
PuYang
03-19-2017, 12:41 PM
Audi S3!!
roastpuff
03-19-2017, 12:53 PM
V60 Polestar. I have this thing about Swedish station wagons... especially fast ones. :pokerface:
AWD + twincharged + Volvo. Yes please!
http://www.focusrs.org/forum/attachments/3322d1451942148-focus-rs-vs-s-v60-polestar-volvo-v60-polestar-31_800x0w.jpg
Galactic_Phantom
03-19-2017, 01:32 PM
Stripper F80
Options:
-Yas Marina Blue
-Carbon interior trim
-Adaptive suspension
Gucci Mane
03-19-2017, 02:17 PM
i'm in the same boat as thumper, gt350 all day.
pastarocket
03-19-2017, 03:12 PM
Benz E43 AMG. A German sedan with AMG performance. -would buy this car over a 5 series because of overall reliability is better with Benz vs. BMW.
-comfortable sedan with the performance of a twin turbo V6 at 396 hp.
I know they don't offer the best bang for the buck performance-wise nor do I believe they'll be reasonable when it comes to maintenance costs or reliability, but I'm really digging Jaguar's styling these days, so I'd probably say an F-Type.
DragonChi
03-19-2017, 03:39 PM
Prius V as a DD, Reasons: stop go traffic excellence, practical, toyota reliability, and fuel economy.
Suzuki GSX-R1000R + racing gear with the money left over for the track. Reasons: I want excitement in my life.
Amaru
03-19-2017, 04:28 PM
so can you please be my benefactor amaru? ;)
No.
I like your choice of car though, definitely a contender. I personally have a small issue with the image associated with American muscle but there's no question it's a great car these days.
Merc C63 AMG-S
Also like this suggestion. Priced one out yesterday (equipped to my tastes) and it came in at $93,900.
And that's only because the CTS-V is over $100k
Is it actually? That seems overpriced, no?
u guys not care about rear wheel drive vs all wheel drive when getting BMW M series?
Are you saying you want AWD? RWD for me all the way if I had the choice.
I want a wagon if its my only car. Do they still make an RS4 (yes I realize this is awd lol)?
As the owner of a 2016 M4, I can confidently say that AWD is probably a better overall option in the turbo era.... I know the M4 has some silly torque numbers and a grotesquely non-linear power band, but the rear tires (275mm) are just grossly insufficient to put down that power (on the street).
But then again, turning rubber into smoke is pretty cool, so....
I know they don't offer the best bang for the buck performance-wise nor do I believe they'll be reasonable when it comes to maintenance costs or reliability, but I'm really digging Jaguar's styling these days, so I'd probably say an F-Type.
I wanted to throw this into the mix as well, but it just screams "hot dogs" to me.
Like, if you say no to a C63S AMG and an M4 and buy an F-type instead, doesn't that sort of say, "I want you to see and notice me in my loud and agressively styled sports car"?
It's not the end of the world, and many people don't give a fuck about that, but for me it's a deal-breaker. (Holy shit that car sounds glorious though.)
Nonetheless, not a bad suggestion.
Amaru
03-19-2017, 04:33 PM
this aint that hard.
Drivers car : porsche cayman 718
Please do share your 718 build, I'm struggling to believe you can make it happen for under $100k.
In other words, I think you're looking at a base Cayman with limited optional equipment if you're sticking to the $100k after taxes budget.
When buying my M4 (about 6 months ago), I looked briefly at the 2016 Cayman as an option, but ruled it out when I discovered that a comparably equipped M4 is $25-$40k cheaper and infinitely more practical and comfortable for daily driving. Sure, even a base Cayman is more of a precision tool on the track and the outgoing flat-6 is a glorious engine, but how can you pay $30k more for a slower, less comfortable, less practical car with way less optional equipment? To me that makes the 718 (all incarnations) a weekend track warrior and not a logical option for a DD. Maybe I'm just a cranky ass old man now, but I personally value things like a quiet cabin and useful tech (ie. HUD) on my daily commutes -- which is 90% of the time spent driving -- more than a perfectly balanced chassis or a high-revving NA engine.......
I hated the process of looking for a new car this time around, because I felt that the M4 was my choice more because of a lack of viable alternatives than because it's an amazing car. (Which it is for the most part, but still feels like this market segment is pretty barren as a whole if you're looking for a DD and only tracking it once or twice a year). Suggestions in this thread like the Caddy and GT350 are totally reasonable and appealing to many, but not my cup of tea... only the C63S (and maybe the new RS5) tickle my dick.
Anyone brave enough to throw in a Tesla vote? :noyoudidnt:
Amaru
03-19-2017, 04:44 PM
q60. I really like how the rear looks and they improve their interior alot comparing them from the past.
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjy59DYoePSAhXDKWMKHVWaBpAQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.topgear.com%2Fcar-news%2Fdetroit-motor-show%2Finfiniti-q60-coupe-looks-good-and-comes-400bhp&psig=AFQjCNFBJjIw3rZSeDS_G89FxyYckMRjtw&ust=1490036768046135
Looks amazing, can't wait to drive one, but are you really choosing it over the Merc or Bimmer? I mean, if it's my $100k you're spending, why not get the best possible car period as opposed to the best value car (I assume Infiniti is pricing it their usual 10-15% below comparable German models?)
Exterior is gorgeous though, it presumably sounds amazing, and that interior looks pretty solid. Struggling to believe the fit and finish on any Infiniti can come close to Audi level of refinement yet tho.
tiger_handheld
03-19-2017, 04:46 PM
interesting to read some of ya'll choices.
i think most of ya'll would be bankrupt in 10 years if you won the lotto today
Luxury cars - requires premium fuel. Regular gas is 130.9 ... gas aint getting cheaper.
Euro cars - a break job is $700+ , OP said pay for maintenance yourself.
The dudes who pick a 2017 Corrola S.... BRAVO!
Amaru
03-19-2017, 04:50 PM
interesting to read some of ya'll choices.
i think most of ya'll would be bankrupt if you won the lotto in 10years.
Luxury cars - requires premium fuel. Regular gas is 130.9 ... gas aint getting cheaper.
Euro cars - a break job is $700+ , OP said pay for maintenance yourself.
The dudes who pick a 2017 Corrola S.... BRAVO!
1.) You're spending my $100k, not your own money, and you're buying a Corolla?
https://img.memesuper.com/98af209ff99541ddc1b0a046403fc76d_the-dafuq-face-with-some-meme-dafuq-girl_488-471.jpeg
2.) Most decent automobiles in this day and age (at least, those with internal combustion engines) require (or recommend) Premium. $25 per month in additional fuel costs is going to make or break your car purchase?
3.) This is a brand new car. It'll be under warranty for all 4 years you'd own it. Some cars in this price range (such as my M4) include all scheduled maintenance for the first 4 years in the purchase price, meaning brakes (replace once in 4 years for $2k) and tires (replace rears annually for $1k) are the only expenses you'll have in 4 years of ownership.
Love your enthusiasm sir but I think you've missed the point of the thread a bit.. note the words "dream car" in the thread title.
But hey, I had a Corolla S as a rental car last week, and it performed admirably in LA traffic. Very similar to my M4 actually now that I think about it... and the paddle shifters are actually standard equipment! :shhh:
Hondaracer
03-19-2017, 04:55 PM
2016 F350
Then mustang/corvette/435i
Assuming u can't get M4 for under 100?
Amaru
03-19-2017, 04:58 PM
2016 F350
Then mustang/corvette/435i
Assuming u can't get M4 for under 100?
I paid $92k for a 2016 with about $10k in optional equipment.
If you pass on the Competition package (adds some unnecessary extra bhp) and ceramic brakes (totally useless for DD, the car is already grossly over-braked with the standard ones), then you can get a fully loaded one for under $100k after tax. With some Ari Gold negotiating and careful optional add-ons, you can prob even get the Competition Pack ($6500), Executive pack ($4500, crucial thx to HUD) and DCT ($3500) and still be within the budget.
Same story for the C63S AMG. Presumably the Lexus as well. Not sure about the new RS5, it might be a bit pricier than the comparable cars after adding options, Audi is good at that type of shit. All the sick mainstream American muscle below the Z06 is also under $100k.
Timpo
03-19-2017, 06:20 PM
Lexus RC-F
$85,400 + tax & fees
https://amd.c.yimg.jp/amd/20141021-20102252-carview-000-7-view.jpg
Robert Stack
03-19-2017, 06:27 PM
2017 X5 50i non M-Sport with Premium Package Essential
Assume a 2% discount and I'm at a dreamy $100,032
Probably the only person to dream about an X5 50i
ime2006
03-19-2017, 06:29 PM
Mercedes Benz C63S Coupe!!!
Zero to 100 kph: 3.9 sec
But, to fit in 100K budget taxed in.
Its going to be without any package...lol
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbworld.org-vbulletin/2000x1333/80-img_0747_jpg_a7a78fea02acf770d0ac26bf974ad26b8f41a 42c.jpeg
http://motoringrumpus.com/wp-content/uploads/2015-NAIAS-Mercedes-AMG-C63-S-Interior.jpg
http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/2015-Mercedes-AMG-C63-S-Model-144-876x535.jpg
https://a.gaw.to/photos/1/8/7/187827_2015_Mercedes-Benz_C_Class.jpg
http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/2015-Mercedes-AMG-C63-S-Model-126-876x535.jpg
http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/2015-Mercedes-AMG-C63-S-Model-146-876x535.jpg
20psi
03-19-2017, 06:46 PM
Drove one of these for a weekend, hit the Vancouver Island track and it rocked my world to say the least.
http://www.licensetoquill.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Alfa-Romeo-4C-12-800x532.jpg
Hondaracer
03-19-2017, 06:54 PM
Lexus RC-F
$85,400 + tax & fees
https://amd.c.yimg.jp/amd/20141021-20102252-carview-000-7-view.jpg
performance wise sure.
Looks wise.. average person couldn't distinguish this car from a $13,000 IS250.
Not saying thats the reason why you'd ever buy a patricular car, but when you look at the C63 posted above, Corvette, BMW, etc. the styling of almost all the comparables in this price range are a new/newer body style with presence. the RC-F is from a body style that is 5+ years old
Hondaracer
03-19-2017, 06:55 PM
Mercedes Benz C63S Coupe!!!
Zero to 100 kph: 3.9 sec
But, to fit in 100K budget taxed in.
Its going to be without any package...lol
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbworld.org-vbulletin/2000x1333/80-img_0747_jpg_a7a78fea02acf770d0ac26bf974ad26b8f41a 42c.jpeg
have been drooling over a few different ones on Instagram, beautiful car.
68style
03-19-2017, 07:31 PM
One thing this thread is opening my eyes to is how crazy inflated the price of cars is nowadays... holy fuck
TouringTeg
03-19-2017, 08:07 PM
^ I was just going to post how depressing this thread is. 100k tax in does not get you a lot anymore.
I would get a bare bones Telsa Model S starting at $92,500 (if it stays under 100k).
^ I was just going to post how depressing this thread is. 100k tax in does not get you a lot anymore.
I would get a bare bones Telsa Model S starting at $92,500 (if it stays under 100k).
Basically has to be $87k or less to get in under $100k after delivery, environmental fees, and taxes.
westopher
03-19-2017, 08:17 PM
I'd buy a 912, an e36 m3, an e30 m3, and an e46 touring if I was gonna spend 100k on cars.
Timpo
03-19-2017, 08:17 PM
performance wise sure.
Looks wise.. average person couldn't distinguish this car from a $13,000 IS250.
Not saying thats the reason why you'd ever buy a patricular car, but when you look at the C63 posted above, Corvette, BMW, etc. the styling of almost all the comparables in this price range are a new/newer body style with presence. the RC-F is from a body style that is 5+ years old
Sorry but I've seen so many people who couldn't tell the difference between the BMW 1 series & 4 series, or 2 series and 5 series.
Same goes for Mercedes C class and E class, Audi A3 and A6, etc.
dark0821
03-19-2017, 08:41 PM
awww.... you replied to everyone but not mine... FINE lololol...
Good choices, keep them coming, though I doubt I will be in a market for something like this anytime soon.
I was also looking at the Cayman S online configurator... and was like... yup not gonna happen, even with some "basic" luxury options, it was already pushing 95K before taxes....
because... partial leather seats is $2000 +, HIDs are $1400 +, and if you want LED headlight and not HIDs... well... $2400...keyless entry is $910...Heated Multifunction Steering Wheel$540...2-Zone Automatic Climate Control$870... Seat Heating $610..i mean the Porsche option list is...
(you would think leather seating, HIDs and keyless entry, heated wheel and seats, duo-zone climate control would be standard on a car that starts at 76K....) i mean seventy-frikkin-six thousand dollars... SHIT
my 25K hyundai elantra had heated wheel and seats, duo-zone climate control
No.
Is it actually? That seems overpriced, no?
Compared to everything else on this list? Not really.
It uses the same motor as the Corvette Z06. 640hp, 0-60 in 3.6 sec and can top 200mph. Pricing undercuts all its competition but inflation puts all car prices through the roof.
LP700-4
03-19-2017, 08:56 PM
2017 X5 50i non M-Sport with Premium Package Essential
Assume a 2% discount and I'm at a dreamy $100,032
Probably the only person to dream about an X5 50i
If I could only have one car and it was for everyday this would probably be my choice aswell. Gobs of power anytime you want, lots of cargo space and the ability to drive family and friends. Winner for me. Only downside is gas i guess :pokerface:
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/716/22111286514_851cee12a8_o.jpg
Oshiguru
03-19-2017, 09:04 PM
In for the porsche circlejerk.
The "car" I would choose would be a base-ish Macan turbo or a somewhat loaded gts. Perfect grocery getter vehicle, good for work (I drive my car to-from and for work), and is classed in BS for autocross :)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ECC1H9k4xpMyDN2Dbe9KbgbKI9J1RrbnId-0Lr4QgE7W=w1200-h803-no
Amaru
03-19-2017, 09:06 PM
Mercedes Benz C63S Coupe!!!
Zero to 100 kph: 3.9 sec
But, to fit in 100K budget taxed in.
Its going to be without any package...lol
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbworld.org-vbulletin/2000x1333/80-img_0747_jpg_a7a78fea02acf770d0ac26bf974ad26b8f41a 42c.jpeg
Disagree. See this build I created last night online, with all the additional options fitted to suit my personal taste... http://bit.ly/2n5lzlA
^^ has similar to the options list on my M4 and less than $1k difference in price between the two. $94k after tax. Another $5k of room in the budget to add some more options if needed.
I think this is the most appealing alternative for me personally (M4 being the other) in this price range. No-one else has posted something that's made me wetter upon seeing the pics in this thread
Gucci Mane
03-19-2017, 09:14 PM
No.
I like your choice of car though, definitely a contender. I personally have a small issue with the image associated with American muscle but there's no question it's a great car these days.
LOL WUT? what is this "image" you speak of?
Amaru
03-19-2017, 09:19 PM
Lexus RC-F
$85,400 + tax & fees
https://amd.c.yimg.jp/amd/20141021-20102252-carview-000-7-view.jpg
Over the C63S and M4? Really? I don't mind it and haven't driven it personally, but the reviews aren't flattering.
Reason for choosing over German options? (genuinely curious)
Compared to everything else on this list? Not really.
It uses the same motor as the Corvette Z06. 640hp, 0-60 in 3.6 sec and can top 200mph. Pricing undercuts all its competition but inflation puts all car prices through the roof.
Well, Caddillac has always positioned itself as the value-oriented choice for ppl who want 0-60 times below 4 seconds but can't fork out $90k for a Bimmer or Audi or whatever..... they offer the same performance minus a bit of fit and finish and drop $10k or more from the price tag.
Now, you're basically saying that the CTS-V is MORE than the German comparables in this market segment, which is a big shift in strategy for Cadillac if true.... and honestly, it has to be a great car in many ways to justify being more expensive than a Merc, BMW, and Lexus. People will pay $10k just to get one of those badges on the hood of their car, nevermind the actual refinement of German or even Japanese cars (generally).
Also, M4 is generally pegged at 3.7-3.9s for the 0-60 on DCT models (which is 90% of all M4's), and YouTube has vids of stock M4's doing 3.6s on street tires in the right conditions. I imagine the Merc is close (IIRC they're claiming 3.9s in the brochure), too....
....so the CTS-V is basically identical in performance to the Germans, but costs more and isn't German. Might still be a great car worth the money, I don't really know, but it's a tough ask to try and get someone to pay extra for a Cadillac with similar performance when there's proven ///M's and AMG's that are cheaper.
On a side note: Kids, please beware with advertised power numbers... Porsche and BMW are notorious, for instance, for underrating numbers. The M4 is advertised as having 425bhp and most dyno runs I've seen show at least 425hp to the WHEELS, with some ppl estimating that the real torque is up to 100lb-ft more than BMW claims in their brochure. No idea why, but I know that you can't rely on specs anymore to determine who will be faster in the real world. Remember when the GTR first launched, and it "only" had 480bhp but somehow destroyed $300k supercars on any track or in any drag race?
(also, can you re-create the advertised times in the real world? I sure can't in my M4, and I doubt you can post that 3.6s 0-60 time in a RWD 500bhp Cadillac either .... unless you have a perfectly configured car on new tires during a summer day with 18ºC ambient temps and tire pressures between 233 and 239psi and Sebastian Vettel at the wheel, that is. Otherwise, expect 4.0-4.5s on most days if the brochure says 3.6s, and less once your tires begin to disintegrate -- after 2 runs)
HonestTea
03-19-2017, 09:24 PM
Probably a C63S Coupe or a lightly optioned Macan GTS/S
Teriyaki
03-19-2017, 09:27 PM
Went to price out a 3-series touring with X-drive because that's always what I envisioned the perfect family hauler to be if one could afford it. Then... I found out BMW only sells it in the 330xi model, AND it was priced at 47k. That seems lower than I remember. Have BMW's gotten cheaper? or maybe its just some stupid low base price and you have to pay 8k just for an automatic. In any case, this is my pick because does anyone REALLY need more than a 3 series touring.
https://www.bmw.co.uk/dam/brandBM/common/newvehicles/3-series/touring/2015/images-videos/3-series-touring-wallpaper-1920x1200-11.jpg.resource.1429526548718.jpg
ime2006
03-19-2017, 09:29 PM
Disagree. See this build I created last night online, with all the additional options fitted to suit my personal taste... http://bit.ly/2n5lzlA
^^ has similar to the options list on my M4 and less than $1k difference in price between the two. $94k after tax. Another $5k of room in the budget to add some more options if needed.
I think this is the most appealing alternative for me personally (M4 being the other) in this price range. No-one else has posted something that's made me wetter upon seeing the pics in this thread
Damnnn....I mis calculated...
There you go!!! affordable within 100k !!!
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2N1gxNjAw/z/fR8AAOSwdGFYyZPx/$_57.JPG
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODU0WDEyODA=/z/kkAAAOSwol5YyZQN/$_57.JPG
Gucci Mane
03-19-2017, 09:30 PM
Went to price out a 3-series touring with X-drive because that's always what I envisioned the perfect family hauler to be if one could afford it. Then... I found out BMW only sells it in the 330xi model, AND it was priced at 47k. That seems lower than I remember. Have BMW's gotten cheaper? or maybe its just some stupid low base price and you have to pay 8k just for an automatic. In any case, this is my pick because does anyone REALLY need more than a 3 series touring.
in reality, no one really needs more than a corolla s. excluding people who use vehicles for work obviously.
C&D lists:
CTS-V at $84k base ($96k full loaded)
M5 at $96k,
RS7 at $130k,
CLS AMG at $110k
E63 AMG at $103k
US Dollars
ATS-V competes with the M4 and the CTS-V Competes with the M5.
--
I couldn't give a shit what people buy. It's their money. I'm just listing the MSRPs.
Amaru
03-19-2017, 09:37 PM
LOL WUT? what is this "image" you speak of?
http://www.webcarvideos.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ricer-kid-06.jpg
https://media.makeameme.org/created/i-like-all-8mdvdz.jpg
:considered:
Amaru
03-19-2017, 09:38 PM
C&D lists:
CTS-V at $84k base ($96k full loaded)
M5 at $96k,
RS7 at $130k,
CLS AMG at $110k
E63 AMG at $103k
US Dollars
ATS-V competes with the M4 and the CTS-V Competes with the M5.
--
I couldn't give a shit what people buy. It's their money. I'm just listing the MSRPs.
It's that big? Fair enough. I thought it was closer to an M3/C63 in terms of size and target market. The bigger sedans like the M5 add another $20k for the extra 8" of wheelbase length, true dat
Still think that's a lot of $$ for a CTS-V tho, great car or not. I imagine the others are way more though once you add options such as a steering wheel and seats to the base price
Amaru
03-19-2017, 09:39 PM
C&D lists:
CTS-V at $84k base ($96k full loaded)
M5 at $96k,
RS7 at $130k,
CLS AMG at $110k
E63 AMG at $103k
US Dollars
ATS-V competes with the M4 and the CTS-V Competes with the M5.
--
I couldn't give a shit what people buy. It's their money. I'm just listing the MSRPs.
in reality, no one really needs more than a corolla s. excluding people who use vehicles for work obviously.
Fuck, why stop there? No-one needs more than a bus pass, or $2.75 in change...
If you guys are buying base 3-series and Corollas with the free $100k I'm giving you, you're not quite right in the head. But that's cool, it's a free country and all
DragonChi
03-19-2017, 10:00 PM
lol, you mad bro.
Because taking 3 hours to get there by bus fucking sucks. and hauling gear to where ever your going to by bus also fucking sucks.
Amaru
03-19-2017, 11:54 PM
lol, you mad bro.
Because taking 3 hours to get there by bus fucking sucks. and hauling gear to where ever your going to by bus also fucking sucks.
True, no argument from me on that one.
But you know what else sucks, man?
Buying a Toyota Corolla instead of a $95,000 BMW or Mercedes or Mustang... or any other sexy 500hp luxury sports coupe posted in this thread... when you're not the one paying, and you don't get to keep the change.
Or fuck it... hauling your gear around in a cramped little econo car sucks too. Not as much as the bus, but it's not as nice as doing the same thing in a brand new Acura RDX or Audi Q7 or BMW 550i.
....
If I mad, bro, you also mad, bro. :noyoudidnt:
Timpo
03-20-2017, 12:36 AM
You know what I just realized?
That "sub $100k" category isn't that attractive.
For $100k, you can't buy a car like Aventador or 488, not even GT-R or Porsche 911.
When you hear "sub $100k" you would try to get as close as possible to $100k, but there aren't many fun to drive car around that price range.
If you lower your price much lower, where its "affordable" you will start to see more attractive cars.
Subaru WRX STi
http://blogimg.goo.ne.jp/user_image/73/a8/64b331ee9a3bb9d64d1b199a04972780.jpg
Mazda Miata
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2015/11/13/156617-2016-mazda-mx-5-miata-club-review-by-carey-russ.7-lg.jpg
Fiat 124 Abarth
http://www.abarthcars.co.uk/content/dam/abarth/gamma/124/TechFeatures/124_tech-feat-overlay-low-gravity_1920.jpg
Toyota 86
http://toyota.jp/pages/contents/86/001_p_010/image/grade/carlineup_86_grade_3_01_pc.png
Mini John Cooper Works
http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/2016-Mini-John-Cooper-Works-Challenge-PLACEMENT.jpg
Nissan 370Z Nismo
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gHbMRhXY8F4/U3cpKA-mFmI/AAAAAAAAA-4/mUNXLWwQp5U/s1600/2015+Nissan+370Z+Nismo+Specs.jpg
Ford Focus RS
http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/GLOB/crop/5760x3240+0+0/resize/800x450!/format/jpg/quality/85/http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/cfc10ef1cd1bc2d52b94c2d78a1aca81/204269838/Hennessey+Ford+Focus+RS-5.jpg
Honda Civic Type R
https://cnet4.cbsistatic.com/img/91kPh0-56lv34G0Zy3eh3lEwG7c=/1170x0/2017/03/07/aca1293e-d039-43fc-8ae9-4498c7ab4348/honda-civic-type-r-2018-geneva-9.jpg
Volkswagen Golf R
http://jasonscars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/2017golfrlapiz-e1471816401194-1024x443.jpeg
Manic!
03-20-2017, 01:09 AM
Alfa Romeo C4 fully loaded for around 80k.
http://images.dealer.com/autodata/ca/640/color/2016/CAC60ALC051A0/PWC.jpg
DragonChi
03-20-2017, 06:00 AM
True, no argument from me on that one.
But you know what else sucks, man?
Buying a Toyota Corolla instead of a $95,000 BMW or Mercedes or Mustang... or any other sexy 500hp luxury sports coupe posted in this thread... when you're not the one paying, and you don't get to keep the change.
Or fuck it... hauling your gear around in a cramped little econo car sucks too. Not as much as the bus, but it's not as nice as doing the same thing in a brand new Acura RDX or Audi Q7 or BMW 550i.
....
If I mad, bro, you also mad, bro. :noyoudidnt:
In that case, I would get an Audi R8, max out that 100k, and pay the difference.
http://www.audi.ca/ca/web/en/models/r8/r8-coupe.html#page=/ca/web/en/models/r8/r8-coupe/build-price.html
Hondaracer
03-20-2017, 06:23 AM
Model S is actually a decent choice although not sure of the load out you get for sub 100
bcrdukes
03-20-2017, 06:29 AM
Sorry guys.
By 2017 Toyota Corolla, I really meant Porsche Carrera, but it starts at $102,200, so I guess that's out of the story. I often get the two cars mixed up. :pokerface:
Never thought a Toyota Corolla would rile up so many people. Jeez. My bad.
100k.... Buy a condo and rent it out
And then buy a corolla with whatever left over.
And then sell the condo after it has tripled in value and buy a Lambo after...
Fucking noobs :troll:
thumper
03-20-2017, 06:52 AM
M2/M3 for me no question.
The M2 is the only new car I have any interest in that I could possibly be allowed to financially cripple myself for. The M3 is in the parameters of the thread for me, but no chance in real life.
decisions, decisions...
2016 BMW M2 6MT w/ M Performance Exhaust - $72000 (Richmond) https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rch/cto/6018329491.html
M2 Coupe, 6 speed manual, and M performance exhaust ($3450 option). 7100kms
Exterior Color: Long Beach Blue Metallic
Interior: Black Dakota Leather w/ Blue Contrast Stitching
Price: $72000
2016 BMW M3 (sedan) 6spd manual - $72800 (Vancouver)
https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/cto/6032141083.html
https://images.craigslist.org/00O0O_dd0dQHTqCr0_600x450.jpg
2016 BMW M3 (F80) sedan with 6-speed manual transmission
Only 8200kms
One owner from new, factory ordered from Calgary BMW
Never smoked in
Meticulously cared for
No accidents -- clean CARFAX
No Charge Scheduled Maintenance 4yr/80k
8M93 - M3 Sedan
475 - Black Sapphire Metallic paint
2VF - Adaptive M Suspension
4WL - Carbon Fibre Trim w/ Black Chrome Highlight
LKSW - Black Extended Merino Leather
MSRP with Freight & PDI $81,507.25 + GST
Over $8000 in professionally-installed upgrades:
Extended coverage paint protection film package
M Performance rear trunk spoiler
M Performance Gloss Black fender gills
M Performance Gloss Black front grills
KW Germany H.A.S. adjustable lowering suspension
Fall Line Motorsports oil cooler guard
Lightweight front spoiler/splitter
Trunk cargo mat
Private sale
$72,800 no GST
but...
Located in Calgary :(
tofu1413
03-20-2017, 08:38 AM
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--PQ_XFWMm--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/cm9nmmnujvhdvoi9pcrj.jpg
I'd probably get me a Grand sport. More bang for the buck compared to M3/M5 or C63 S and more exotic looking.
but if i do need four doors, money no object, reliability dont give AF:
http://images.car.bauercdn.com/pagefiles/29378/alfa11.jpg
hope it really drives well as its hyped up to be.
smoothie.
03-20-2017, 09:17 AM
as much as I love the alfa cheese car, the front is already aging for me lol
pretty soon itll be:
http://partsopen.com/images/2000-alfa-romeo-166-5.jpg
Timpo
03-20-2017, 10:16 AM
decisions, decisions...
2016 BMW M2 6MT w/ M Performance Exhaust - $72000 (Richmond) https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rch/cto/6018329491.html
M2 Coupe, 6 speed manual, and M performance exhaust ($3450 option). 7100kms
Exterior Color: Long Beach Blue Metallic
Interior: Black Dakota Leather w/ Blue Contrast Stitching
Price: $72000
2016 BMW M3 (sedan) 6spd manual - $72800 (Vancouver)
https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/cto/6032141083.html
https://images.craigslist.org/00O0O_dd0dQHTqCr0_600x450.jpg
but...
:(That M3 is used.
It has to be brand new, under $100k.
thumper
03-20-2017, 10:21 AM
That M3 is used.
It has to be brand new, under $100k.
that response was for westpoher, showing he dosen't have to "financially cripple" himself overpaying for new.
Timpo
03-20-2017, 10:23 AM
that response was for westpoher, showing he dosen't have to "financially cripple" himself overpaying for new.
Did you see the OP's post?
The car has to be brand new, under $100k.
And you have to drive it daily for next 4 years.
I almost said Campagna T-REX but because it's not really a daily driver, I said Lexus RC-F.
Urrtoast
03-20-2017, 10:48 AM
I think your forgetting the 15percent tax and pdi and freight. that will break the 100k max.
you cant get this car under 100k..
Over the C63S and M4? Really? I don't mind it and haven't driven it personally, but the reviews aren't flattering.
Reason for choosing over German options? (genuinely curious)
Well, Caddillac has always positioned itself as the value-oriented choice for ppl who want 0-60 times below 4 seconds but can't fork out $90k for a Bimmer or Audi or whatever..... they offer the same performance minus a bit of fit and finish and drop $10k or more from the price tag.
Now, you're basically saying that the CTS-V is MORE than the German comparables in this market segment, which is a big shift in strategy for Cadillac if true.... and honestly, it has to be a great car in many ways to justify being more expensive than a Merc, BMW, and Lexus. People will pay $10k just to get one of those badges on the hood of their car, nevermind the actual refinement of German or even Japanese cars (generally).
Also, M4 is generally pegged at 3.7-3.9s for the 0-60 on DCT models (which is 90% of all M4's), and YouTube has vids of stock M4's doing 3.6s on street tires in the right conditions. I imagine the Merc is close (IIRC they're claiming 3.9s in the brochure), too....
....so the CTS-V is basically identical in performance to the Germans, but costs more and isn't German. Might still be a great car worth the money, I don't really know, but it's a tough ask to try and get someone to pay extra for a Cadillac with similar performance when there's proven ///M's and AMG's that are cheaper.
On a side note: Kids, please beware with advertised power numbers... Porsche and BMW are notorious, for instance, for underrating numbers. The M4 is advertised as having 425bhp and most dyno runs I've seen show at least 425hp to the WHEELS, with some ppl estimating that the real torque is up to 100lb-ft more than BMW claims in their brochure. No idea why, but I know that you can't rely on specs anymore to determine who will be faster in the real world. Remember when the GTR first launched, and it "only" had 480bhp but somehow destroyed $300k supercars on any track or in any drag race?
(also, can you re-create the advertised times in the real world? I sure can't in my M4, and I doubt you can post that 3.6s 0-60 time in a RWD 500bhp Cadillac either .... unless you have a perfectly configured car on new tires during a summer day with 18ºC ambient temps and tire pressures between 233 and 239psi and Sebastian Vettel at the wheel, that is. Otherwise, expect 4.0-4.5s on most days if the brochure says 3.6s, and less once your tires begin to disintegrate -- after 2 runs)
Urrtoast
03-20-2017, 10:51 AM
OP said you have to buy a car not a condo....
you fail to follow the instruction's..
FailFish
100k.... Buy a condo and rent it out
And then buy a corolla with whatever left over.
And then sell the condo after it has tripled in value and buy a Lambo after...
Fucking noobs :troll:
Urrtoast
03-20-2017, 10:53 AM
Another fail... FailFish
No bikes are allowed read what he said.....
Prius V as a DD, Reasons: stop go traffic excellence, practical, toyota reliability, and fuel economy.
Suzuki GSX-R1000R + racing gear with the money left over for the track. Reasons: I want excitement in my life.
Timpo
03-20-2017, 10:56 AM
I think your forgetting the 15percent tax and pdi and freight. that will break the 100k max.
you cant get this car under 100k..
I think the tax is 12%, which brings it down to $89,285.
Freight + PDI is usually $1,000 to $2,000 isn't it?
Also the documentation fee is $200 to $2,000? Depending on what dealership.
So the before tax price needs to be around $85,000 to be on safe side.
JordanLee
03-20-2017, 10:58 AM
^ Luxury tax is 15% above a certain threshold.
Urrtoast
03-20-2017, 11:02 AM
Compared to everything else on this list? Not really.
It uses the same motor as the Corvette Z06. 640hp, 0-60 in 3.6 sec and can top 200mph. Pricing undercuts all its competition but inflation puts all car prices through the roof.
What uses the same motor as a Z06 as far as I know nothing?? the Corvette Grand Sport does NOT use a Z06 motor. Grand Sport is everything Z06 without the LT4 supercharged motor..
Corvette z51 and Grand Sport 460hp 460tq 0-60 3.8sec
Corvette Z06 650hp 650tq 0-60 2.7sec
:D
chinese_driver
03-20-2017, 11:11 AM
techno violet or interlagos blue e46 M3
What uses the same motor as a Z06 as far as I know nothing?? the Corvette Grand Sport does NOT use a Z06 motor. Grand Sport is everything Z06 without the LT4 supercharged motor..
Corvette z51 and Grand Sport 460hp 460tq 0-60 3.8sec
Corvette Z06 650hp 650tq 0-60 2.7sec
:D
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vJwdyBk_qeg/maxresdefault.jpg
The new CTS-V
HOWEVER
The new Camaro ZL1 was released and that uses the Z06 engine too. I think it's slightly cheaper than the V but there's only 50 allocations for the first year so it's easy going to cost more than MSRP.
http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2016/03/2017-Chevrolet-Camaro-ZL1-homepage.jpg?interpolation=lanczos-none&fit=around%7C660%3A438
Timpo
03-20-2017, 11:17 AM
^ Luxury tax is 15% above a certain threshold.
what the heck is luxury tax?
*edit* never mind, I didn't know that BC had luxury tax.
https://autovance.com/digging-deeper-into-bc-luxury-tax/
Urrtoast
03-20-2017, 11:18 AM
I always thought the motor in those was a slightly changed lt4...
But you are correct...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vJwdyBk_qeg/maxresdefault.jpg
The new CTS-V
HOWEVER
The new Camaro ZL1 was released and that uses the Z06 engine too. I think it's slightly cheaper than the V but there's only 50 allocations for the first year so it's easy going to cost more than MSRP.
http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2016/03/2017-Chevrolet-Camaro-ZL1-homepage.jpg?interpolation=lanczos-none&fit=around%7C660%3A438
Urrtoast
03-20-2017, 11:20 AM
what the heck is luxury tax?
*edit* never mind, I didn't know that BC had luxury tax.
https://autovance.com/digging-deeper-into-bc-luxury-tax/
Tax you pay when you buy expensive cars....
Stick to your Hondas and your will never ever hear of it.
..lol
OP said you have to buy a car not a condo....
you fail to follow the instruction's..
FailFish
yea, the corolla :awwyeah:
heleu
03-20-2017, 01:14 PM
For those of us that are older and have kids, the OP's request is kinda impossible. I want my 2 seater, but there's no way I could daily it. I think I'd rather daily drive a 30K sedan and then have a 70K 2 seater for the weekend.
But since this is the internet, and I don't need to be rational here's my choice.
http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/2015-Dodge-Challenger-SRT-Hellcat-107-626x382.jpg
Arvi604
03-20-2017, 02:11 PM
F80 M3 ZCP
Blue
whitev70r
03-20-2017, 02:40 PM
For a DD, how about an Audi S7.
http://www.autoreview1.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/2017-audi-s7-release-date.jpg
Urrtoast
03-20-2017, 04:07 PM
How about fail as its over 100k
FailFish
http://www.audi.ca/ca/web/en/models/a7/s7-sportback.html#page=/ca/web/en/models/a7/s7-sportback/build-price.html
For a DD, how about an Audi S7.
http://www.autoreview1.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/2017-audi-s7-release-date.jpg
whitev70r
03-20-2017, 04:32 PM
How about fail as its over 100k
FailFish
Some of you are taking this 'game' way too seriously. No this, no that, no used, no Corolla, no condo, no motorcycle ...
Who pays MSRP? So what if it is listed at $97.5K, you drop $100K cash, I think salesman will start filling out the bill of sale.
Timpo
03-20-2017, 04:41 PM
For those of us that are older and have kids, the OP's request is kinda impossible. I want my 2 seater, but there's no way I could daily it. I think I'd rather daily drive a 30K sedan and then have a 70K 2 seater for the weekend.
But since this is the internet, and I don't need to be rational here's my choice.
http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/2015-Dodge-Challenger-SRT-Hellcat-107-626x382.jpg
$30k daily driver?
I've seen car enthusiasts with family driving a cheap economical vehicle as a daily driver that could be bought for $3,000 range and drive a nice expensive 2 seater coupe for the summer/weekend.
get something cheap like this and save your $ for expensive 2 seater
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/a7/95/1f/a7951f4b97864f52877ecf973be81052.jpg
DragonChi
03-20-2017, 05:44 PM
Following the rules strictly.
GS 450h
As per Lexus website as the final price.
$90,355.50
Or
WRX STI Sport-tech
Manual Transmission
MSRP $45,395.00
Cash Discount -$500.00
PDI & Freight $1,650.00
Other Fees $520.00
Accessories $3,736.26
Installation Cost See dealer for details
PST $3,556.09
GST $2,540.06
Purchase Price:$56,897.41
Or
Golf GTI Clubsport S, probs around 60K pre tax, PDI, if it ever comes here.
Only because it was featured on Top Gear :lol
Or
4Runner maxed out options and warranty... not a car? fuck right off, and suck a cock.
$65,314.55
Or
As posted before,
Chevy Corvette Grand Sport
MSRP from
$76,195†
Includes A/C Tax
Or
As previously mentioned
Camaro ZL1
$69,400†
Includes A/C Tax
Or
Quattro TT RS, not out yet in Canada, but it's coming soon.
2.0 TFSI S Tronic quattro
MSRP: $ 60,000.00 USD -> Est $80133.00 CAD
DragonChi
03-20-2017, 06:36 PM
Tax you pay when you buy expensive cars....
Stick to your Hondas and your will never ever hear of it.
..lol
Honda Type-R
The long-awaited Civic Type R, slated to go on sale in Canada this summer with an MSRP in the low $40k range, is the first ever Type R-badged Honda to be sold in Canada.
:troll: :D
Not out yet, but I'd still get one when it does if it was free. Yes, over some of the other choices here. Rice4lyfe.:awwyeah::awwyeah::awwyeah:
:hotbaby::2finger2::2finger2::2finger2:
I'd hate to work with you, all criticism, no contribution.
Wetordry
03-20-2017, 07:33 PM
Lexus GS-F
whitev70r
03-20-2017, 08:20 PM
Lexus GS-F
Friend just got one ... had no idea that he dropped $100K !
XplicitLuder
03-20-2017, 08:31 PM
suv : 2017 cherokee SRT (around 80-90k pre tax)
car : id love a new m5 but as some have stated..over 100k starting
MrPhreak
03-20-2017, 08:34 PM
Lots of people mentioning the CTS-V and ATS-V... the problem with those is they seem to lose 70% of their value the second they drive off the lot. Just wait 2~3 years and buy one for ~25K instead.
Friend just got one ... had no idea that he dropped $100K !I know the RC-F has had massive 5 figure discounts on it because it isn't selling well, my guess is the GS-F is going to be similar.
I think your forgetting the 15percent tax and pdi and freight. that will break the 100k max.
you cant get this car under 100k..I feel like the 15% tax should only apply for foreign owners... it is a pretty shitty feel good tax IMO
Alfa Romeo C4 fully loaded for around 80k.
Great looking car, and no doubt also amazing to drive, but as a DD I have a feeling it would be hell
No power steering, hard to get out of, insanely bumpy suspension and a lightweight chassis, terrible side and rear visibility... etc.
Manic!
03-20-2017, 08:38 PM
NVRMND>
Araaadi
03-20-2017, 09:05 PM
2017 Raptor.
http://st.automobilemag.com/uploads/sites/11/2015/01/2017-ford-f-150-raptor-left-front-angle.jpg
Amaru
03-20-2017, 11:19 PM
You know what I just realized?
That "sub $100k" category isn't that attractive.
For $100k, you can't buy a car like Aventador or 488, not even GT-R or Porsche 911.
When you hear "sub $100k" you would try to get as close as possible to $100k, but there aren't many fun to drive car around that price range.
If you lower your price much lower, where its "affordable" you will start to see more attractive cars.
Subaru WRX STi
Mazda Miata
Fiat 124 Abarth
Toyota 86
Mini John Cooper Works
Nissan 370Z Nismo
Ford Focus RS
Honda Civic Type R
Volkswagen Golf R
So just to clarify, you're being offered a free vehicle, and you're taking all of those listed above instead of, say, a BMW M2 (equipped to suit your preference)?
Amaru
03-20-2017, 11:31 PM
Following the rules strictly.
4Runner maxed out options and warranty... not a car? fuck right off, and suck a cock.
$65,314.55
Hahahaha. I approve.
Also, pretty sweet ride for $65k all-in.
I feel like the 15% tax should only apply for foreign owners... it is a pretty shitty feel good tax IMO.
Lease it.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this absolves you of having to pay it since you're actually only "purchasing" a portion of the car's value (original price minus residual) and pay taxes (ie. GST) on only that portion. In a $100k car on a 4-year lease, that might be around $50k (rough estimate).
When there's only a 1-2% difference in lease and finance rates (as with all German carmakers generally), leasing becomes a lot more appealing and even a 15% luxury tax wouldn't be nearly as painful if it did apply.
bcuzracecarz
03-20-2017, 11:32 PM
Timpo would just warp back in time to 2008 and order a GTR, there is nothing else for him
Amaru
03-20-2017, 11:35 PM
Some of you are taking this 'game' way too seriously. No this, no that, no used, no Corolla, no condo, no motorcycle ...
Who pays MSRP? So what if it is listed at $97.5K, you drop $100K cash, I think salesman will start filling out the bill of sale.
That hasn't been my experience in German dealerships to be honest.
From what I hear, good luck walking out of the Porsche dealership with more than a couple grand discount on your new 911.
Amaru
03-20-2017, 11:36 PM
Timpo would just warp back in time to 2008 and order a GTR, there is nothing else for him
He's a little special, is he?
JSALES
03-21-2017, 12:12 AM
I would also spend it on a C63S AMG or BMW M3
DragonChi
03-21-2017, 05:45 AM
BMW M3 at 436 HP, meh
BMW M3 at 600 HP w/ 25k competition package. Yes!
I was looking at it yesterday, I would say it's a good buy. It comes with xdrive?
underscore
03-21-2017, 07:28 AM
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned a Lotus yet. Although I can't find any solid pricing for Canada.
thumper
03-21-2017, 07:32 AM
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned a Lotus yet. Although I can't find any solid pricing for Canada.
not really much inventory to speak of... this is the only "new" one in stock (25kms on odo) in vancouver and it's $145k:
2015 Lotus Exige LF1 LIMITED EDITION - Lotus of Vancouver (http://www.lotusofvancouver.com/listings/2015-lotus-exige-lf1-limited-edition-6-speed-215-ex50/)
http://www.lotusofvancouver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/id2104_74030_F5-762x456.jpg
is it even possible to daily one of these? the first and last time i tried to get in and out of an elise i was practically crawling out on my hands and knees... i don't think i can do that every day :(
white rocket
03-21-2017, 07:43 AM
Brand new? I'd buy a Toyota Sequoia Platinum. Love Toyota for reliability, resale, interface, overall value. Can tow a fun car in a trailer, seating for family for road trips, can add a TRD supercharger if desired and still have manufacturers warranty, maintenance is easy and not expensive. The list goes on. I wouldn't even consider another SUV and my plan, if budget allows, is to buy one in the next couple years.
I'd fuck with an M2 though. Saw one next door at my work and it looks mean as hell. Love the bulkiness and body lines. Typically I hate on new Euro shit but the M2 excites me more than the 1M did in 2011. Not sure I could live with a sports car every day though. I'm old and cranky and my fun cars just sit because dailying them is an inconvenience.
Badhobz
03-21-2017, 07:45 AM
just buy 4 corollas...
one for each occasion.
The elegant Corolla S for your "luxury" touring
The Corolla CE w/ 6speed for your light engaging "sporting" needs
The corolla LE as your "daily"
and finally Corolla LE ECO for your long distance "cruising" needs.
The answer is always corolla!
oh wait i think ill be over 100k if you buy 4.... but maybe they'll give you some good discounts and squeeze it into 100k budget
Dream car supposed to be something near impossible to get... wtf is a 100k dream car? :fuckthatshit:
If we are talking the best car under 100k all in, Volvo XC90 T8. Coming from a BMW fans, my cousin's XC90 T8 blew me away. X5 was toy in comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pLO3Ho0Vt8
bcuzracecarz
03-21-2017, 10:33 AM
BMW M3 at 436 HP, meh
BMW M3 at 600 HP w/ 25k competition package. Yes!
I was looking at it yesterday, I would say it's a good buy. It comes with xdrive?
I want what your smoking
underscore
03-21-2017, 11:10 AM
not really much inventory to speak of... this is the only "new" one in stock (25kms on odo) in vancouver and it's $145k:
I'm assuming you'd have to special order one new, but they don't list the Canadian pricing anywhere. Looking at the UK pricing I don't think any Exige's are under $100k CDN new, but an Elise might be. My main problem is I don't really like anything new, most of the higher-end cars that I like are 7-10 years old now.
DragonChi
03-21-2017, 11:40 AM
I want what your smoking
http://imgur.com/a/uWsNX
http://imgur.com/a/uWsNX
thumper
03-21-2017, 11:59 AM
I'm assuming you'd have to special order one new, but they don't list the Canadian pricing anywhere. Looking at the UK pricing I don't think any Exige's are under $100k CDN new, but an Elise might be. My main problem is I don't really like anything new, most of the higher-end cars that I like are 7-10 years old now.
i don't follow lotus well so maybe someone can answer this better but they stopped selling the elise/exige back in 2011 because the airbag exemption expired? this article says it won't come back until 2020 :(
Lotus Elise returning to North America in 2020 | Driving (http://driving.ca/lotus/auto-news/news/lotus-elise-returning-to-north-america-in-2020)
does this mean the only legal lotus available to buy new is the evora?
Timpo
03-21-2017, 12:02 PM
So just to clarify, you're being offered a free vehicle, and you're taking all of those listed above instead of, say, a BMW M2 (equipped to suit your preference)?
ohh the M2 for some reason didn't cross my mind..
underscore
03-21-2017, 01:09 PM
i don't follow lotus well so maybe someone can answer this better but they stopped selling the elise/exige back in 2011 because the airbag exemption expired? this article says it won't come back until 2020 :(
Lotus Elise returning to North America in 2020 | Driving (http://driving.ca/lotus/auto-news/news/lotus-elise-returning-to-north-america-in-2020)
does this mean the only legal lotus available to buy new is the evora?
Quite possibly, that might explain why I can only find ~10 year old ones for sale.
Excluding Lotus then I'd have to say I'm having a hard time coming up with anything that I'd want that goes much above $60k all-in (370Z Nismo or 4Runner TRD are all I can think of so far)
bcuzracecarz
03-21-2017, 01:27 PM
http://imgur.com/a/uWsNX
Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet (http://imgur.com/a/uWsNX)
It costs ~$7900 and adds 19hp
LP700-4
03-21-2017, 01:32 PM
http://imgur.com/a/uWsNX
Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet (http://imgur.com/a/uWsNX)
The M6 Competition adds 40hp totalling 600. M3/4 tops out at 444hp
xjc11
03-21-2017, 01:36 PM
Alpine white M2
Manual
M performance exhaust
all the carbon fiber parts offered (lip spoiler, diffuser, side splitter, front splitter etc etc.)
And a M performance light up steering wheel :D
Not sure exactly how much but its probably around 80k taxes in
ijaz_97
03-21-2017, 02:41 PM
2017 Infiniti Q60 Red Sport.
http://icdn5.digitaltrends.com/image/2017-infiniti-q60-s-red-sport-400_022-970x647-c.jpg
The_AK
03-21-2017, 03:03 PM
e36 with a welded diff
TopsyCrett
03-21-2017, 06:19 PM
Pretty sure a diesel G wagon (Non AMG) still rings in at over $115k...
so next best bet, A diesel ML350 w/ offroad package.
MrPhreak
03-21-2017, 08:25 PM
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned a Lotus yet. Although I can't find any solid pricing for Canada.
I mentioned the Evora on the 1st page, I am fairly certain you can get them for under 100K
Track Orientated:
M2
4C
Cayman
TT-RS
Evora
Great cars... nice reliable Toyota powerplant, good on fuel, and they come with some decent creature comforts and suspension you can daily making them not as hard to live with as a 4C or Elise.
Timpo
03-21-2017, 10:15 PM
I mentioned the Evora on the 1st page, I am fairly certain you can get them for under 100K
BRAND NEW though??? :pokerface:
Klondike
03-21-2017, 10:37 PM
Realistic daily: Subaru Outback 6-speed manual
Barebones daily: Base Nissan Micra. 5-speed, crank windows. I think A/C comes standard now.
Sporty daily: Elantra sport MT
Dream daily: V90 XC, STi
edit: A/C is optional on the base micra.
twitchyzero
03-21-2017, 11:28 PM
asking for other's dream cars is like Edward Norton stealing Handsome Rob's AM Vanquish idea
#wewasrobbed :derp:
thumper
03-22-2017, 04:48 AM
I mentioned the Evora on the 1st page, I am fairly certain you can get them for under 100K
Great cars... nice reliable Toyota powerplant, good on fuel, and they come with some decent creature comforts and suspension you can daily making them not as hard to live with as a 4C or Elise.
searched on autotrader and it seems ontario is where new lotus cars go... 2017 lotus evora 400:
2017 Lotus Evora for sale | autoTRADER.ca (http://www.autotrader.ca/cars/lotus/evora/2017/?prx=-1&loc=v5b+3j1&hprc=True&wcp=True&inMarket=advancedSearch)
http://az413908.vo.msecnd.net/5/photos/import/201701/1116/5856/23cb6f7f-b847-4291-ba70-a6163c65e13f.jpg?w=800&h=600
but the starting price is over $110k???
I would get the Charger Hellcat and use the leftover cash (if that's an option) to buy rear pairs of tires. I think sub 100k you can't beat that dollars per horsepower ratio!
thumper
03-22-2017, 05:46 AM
I would get the Charger Hellcat and use the leftover cash (if that's an option) to buy rear pairs of tires. I think sub 100k you can't beat that dollars per horsepower ratio!
at 18.1L/100km city (energuide rated so more like 20L/100km+ in real life), you will need every leftover cent for fuel alone to daily this thing for 4 years :(
http://www.fcapresskit.ca/Contents/Text/PDFs/Dodge/Challenger_ChallengerSRT/CN_2017_DG_Challenger_ChallengerSRT_SP.pdf
dark0821
03-22-2017, 05:55 PM
Actually pretty surprised that the hellcat is under 100K taxed in, wow, that is a crazy deal...
Though looks like you will be stuck with basic model only... but hey... still a hell car nonetheless
MrPhreak
03-22-2017, 07:20 PM
BRAND NEW though??? :pokerface:
searched on autotrader and it seems ontario is where new lotus cars go... 2017 lotus evora 400:
2017 Lotus Evora for sale | autoTRADER.ca (http://www.autotrader.ca/cars/lotus/evora/2017/?prx=-1&loc=v5b+3j1&hprc=True&wcp=True&inMarket=advancedSearch)
but the starting price is over $110k???
I was kind of looking at them back in the summer of 2013, and I seem to remember them being about ~85K which is why it popped into my head for this thread. Granted the dollar was a lot better, and it may be I was looking at used ones with very low mileage.
Timpo
03-23-2017, 12:24 PM
I was looking seriously at them back in the summer of 2013, and I seem to remember them being about ~85K which is why it popped into my head for this thread. Granted the dollar was a lot better, and it may be I was looking at used ones with very low mileage.
I ended up buying a Fiesta ST and using the rest for my mortgage in the end. I just found that I couldn't justify spending that much on a car.
You were looking for a Evora and got a Fiesta? :pokerface:
They're completely different and shouldn't be cross-shopped.
If it was 370Z vs Evora, then I would understand. (or 86 vs Evora, Miata vs Evora, etc.)
But sportscar vs 4 door hatchback family car?
MrPhreak
03-23-2017, 04:40 PM
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Amaru
03-24-2017, 01:41 AM
I would get the Charger Hellcat and use the leftover cash (if that's an option) to buy rear pairs of tires. I think sub 100k you can't beat that dollars per horsepower ratio!
Yeah, it's the best dollars per horsepower ratio, and probably the fastest production car you can buy currently in the 0-60mph or 1/4mile for under $100k..... On the track or a twisty road, it can probably hope to compete most of the time with the other top cars around the same price (M2, M4, RC-F, GT350, etc). That's impressive. Sounds fucking excellent too....
But it's a thousand pounds heavier than its RWD German rivals, which I am guessing isn't because of the sound deadening in the cabin or the extreme attention to detail and refinement in the cabin and interior features.... it's just a fat car with an unfathomably large number of horse powers under the gigantic hood. That's not my style personally, and I'd pay the extra $7k upfront to get me an M3 or C63S instead (both of which are equally superb at turning Michelins into smoke, if you're into that type of thing). Not to say the Hellcat isn't fully equipped with all the latest tech, or that it doesn't qualify as a luxury car... but unless it's changed a lot since I sat in a lower model (SRT8?) a few years ago, then the fit and finish isn't quite Rolls Royce type quality and certainly not up to par with $90k Audis and Mercs.
Also, consider how quickly your $7k savings over the M3 (for instance) is going to be eaten up in fuel and tires.... I mean, it's still a lot of money, but I imagine the rears on a Hellcat are not cheap. And it appears that I will be needing a new set of rears on my M4 (sporting a pathetic 425bhp) with every oil change.
So, in brief: I accept your submission. It is a ridiculous machine and worthy of being in the conversation. However, I can't personally justify taking a big step down in quality and refinement -- plus an extra thousand pounds to lug around -- just to pick up another 0.4s in the 1/4 mile, or shave a few tenths off 0-60 times (when it sticks on launch, that is -- which I assume is impossible w/o traction control). Consider the resale value / residuals, the silly thirst of that monster engine, and it's just not much cheaper than the Germans/Cadillacs/Lexus.
Actually pretty surprised that the hellcat is under 100K taxed in, wow, that is a crazy deal...
Though looks like you will be stuck with basic model only... but hey... still a hell car nonetheless
Sort of disagree... if all you want is 700bhp and 11.3's in the quarter, maybe it's a deal, but for similar money you can get some other pretty solid vehicles.
I'll just leave these here k?
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbworld.org-vbulletin/2000x1333/80-img_0747_jpg_a7a78fea02acf770d0ac26bf974ad26b8f41a 42c.jpeg
http://www.chevrolet.com/content/chevrolet/northamerica/usa/nscwebsite/en/index/all-vehicles-nav/performance/2017-corvette-grand-sport/photos-and-videos/exterior/jcr:content/mm_gal_c2/thumbnailArea/mm_gal_item_c2.img_resize.img_stage._3.jpg
http://cdn2.business2community.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/A159030_medium-620x3501.jpg1.jpg
http://www.inautonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/bmw-m4-coupe-vorsteiner-gtrs4-tuning-8-1024x682.jpg
Amaru
03-24-2017, 01:45 AM
2017 Infiniti Q60 Red Sport.
http://icdn5.digitaltrends.com/image/2017-infiniti-q60-s-red-sport-400_022-970x647-c.jpg
Saw one of these in person today and had to do a double-take to see which model it was. Gorgeous, especially the profile.
Needs another 100bhp and torques, nah?
roastpuff
03-24-2017, 08:03 AM
Amaru, no love for the blue smurf Swedish wagon? :QQ:
thumper
03-24-2017, 08:22 AM
Saw one of these in person today and had to do a double-take to see which model it was. Gorgeous, especially the profile.
Needs another 100bhp and torques, nah?
Infiniti Q60 Black S Concept
The Infiniti Q60 Black S Concept Is A Nasty 500 HP Hybrid With F1-Style KERS$ (http://jalopnik.com/the-infiniti-q60-black-s-concept-is-a-nasty-500-hp-hybr-1792931378)
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--jFMQ_Ewl--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/hyskmamnlr67gzew0ixv.jpg
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--G5YKf2M_--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/nre683v4yfg3vaxvtxwu.jpg
Amaru
03-24-2017, 04:27 PM
Infiniti Q60 Black S Concept
The Infiniti Q60 Black S Concept Is A Nasty 500 HP Hybrid With F1-Style KERS$ (http://jalopnik.com/the-infiniti-q60-black-s-concept-is-a-nasty-500-hp-hybr-1792931378)
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--jFMQ_Ewl--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/hyskmamnlr67gzew0ixv.jpg
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--G5YKf2M_--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/nre683v4yfg3vaxvtxwu.jpg
Lose that disgusting wing and I'm DTF.
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