[Badhobz]

My buddy got rear ended yesterday. Do you guys think this car is a write off?

He just got it in sept 2016 and it only had like 7000kms on it :(

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[Jgresch]

Nah, just an Accord Hatch now

[Badhobz]

hahaha!!!

[ijaz_97]

Damn, the rear of that Accord got destroyed lol

[Badhobz]

ranger 1 accord 0

[whitev70r]

If I was owner, I certainly wouldn't want that fixed. I'd be hoping for a write off and pay out.

[godwin]

It looks bad but since the car is new (less deprecation) then it will take a much larger repair cost to write it off.

I think the damage is not that bad, the side panel at least on the passenger side looks straight so glass, trunk and crumple zone elements are the elements that needs to be replaced.

[flagella]

It looks really bad to me...

[MrPhreak]

Looks like a write off to me

[asma123]

Yes it'll be a write off

[tegra7]

It'll end up at a used Kingsway dealership in no time.

[donjalapeno]

Im guessing a $14000 dollar claim.

Frame is for sure bent.


Doubt it will be a write off.


If he needs a new one send me a pm :)

[Peturbo]

looks like a hybrid accord too. Big expensive batteries right behind the seats.

[VR6GTI]

A quick guesss would be no. Definitely needs to be stripped to determine though

[Badhobz]

So guys what happens if it's not a write off ? They'll fix it but will it be considered a rebuilt ? What about the diminished value of the car? Can he sue the other guy for ruining the value of the car now that it'll undergo a 10k+ repairs ?

[Traum]

If it is not written off, it will retain its "clean" status, although the accident record will remain with the car. The vehicle status only gets changed to rebuilt if ICBC decides to write it off, and it is subsequently purchased by someone and have the car repaired to put on the road again.

There is nothing your friend can do about the diminished value of the vehicle if it does get repaired by ICBC. He'd just have to suck it up and move on. On the other hand, if he is injured, then he can definitely hire a lawyer to sue.

Personally, I would not want to keep the car even if it gets replaced. Esp with that kind of trunk damage, it is very easy to get water leaks into the trunk, and that's a major PITA to deal with in the future.

[tegra7]

A quick guesss would be no. Definitely needs to be stripped to determine though

Wont necessarily need to be stripped. A body shop will assess and price out what parts need to be replaced + labor time and give icbc a grand total of repair cost. At the end of it icbc determines whether they want to fix or write it off.

[Nvasion]

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[rps13]

"With NVR+, if your vehicle is damaged to just over 50 per cent of its market value, it will be considered a writeoff and you’ll receive the full replacement value."

copy and paste from the ICBC website.

New Vehicle Replacement Plus coverage (http://www.icbc.com/autoplan/Pages/New-Vehicle-Replacement-Plus-coverage.aspx)

[The_AK]

Looks like a future rebuilt at Kingsway auto to me

[tomatogunk]

Was this at the knight st bridge yesterday (March 22) around 6:30pm?

EDIT: Checked the dash cam footage. Seems to match the damage profile. there also seems to be a third car involved.

https://youtu.be/9HoWWOE05AA

[604STIG]

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There is nothing your friend can do about the diminished value of the vehicle if it does get repaired by ICBC. He'd just have to suck it up and move on. On the other hand, if he is injured, then he can definitely hire a lawyer to sue.


Not true, if the diminished value is large enough you can lawyer up (or try on your own) and get compensated for some. I had a co-worker who's Titan was in an accident and he ended up recovering some of the diminished value. There have been a few cases now where people have been successfully compensated.

[Badhobz]

Was this at the knight st bridge yesterday (March 22) around 6:30pm?

EDIT: Checked the dash cam footage. Seems to match the damage profile. there also seems to be a third car involved.

https://youtu.be/9HoWWOE05AA

cool! yes this is it.

[dark0821]

holy shit... if this is not a write off....

[tofu1413]

write off for sure.


its more worthwhile for icbc to sell it as spares/ rebuild and pay out the guy instead of fixing it.

that looks like $20k+ for sure.

[!Aznboi128]

Damn that has got to hurt. It looks like a regular sedan but I'm sure it'll be a write off.

[Badhobz]

he told me it was around $31,000 for it w/ taxes back in sept 2016

[ilvtofu]

I think some are underestimating the cost of an ICBC repair, for the record this was a $10k claim. Passenger's side taillight cracked (driver's side fine), crack on the trunk, and bumper pushed in slightly.
Cousin was rear ended by a pickup truck while he was stopped at a red light. Car was only picked up 2 weeks prior and now has a $10k claim on it.

http://i.imgur.com/lSyOLPq.jpg

[BIC_BAWS]

"With NVR+, if your vehicle is damaged to just over 50 per cent of its market value, it will be considered a writeoff and you’ll receive the full replacement value."

copy and paste from the ICBC website.

New Vehicle Replacement Plus coverage (http://www.icbc.com/autoplan/Pages/New-Vehicle-Replacement-Plus-coverage.aspx)

he told me it was around $31,000 for it w/ taxes back in sept 2016

Does your friend have NVR+ ? I'll post an image of my accident for reference of cost, it was about mid to high $9K. I'm pretty sure it's because with NVR+, if it's not a write off, you can ask for oem parts at no additional cost, as it's included with NVR+ .

1st pic is for context /br 28588
285892859028591

Had front and rear crash bars (not sure if right term), front and rear bumpers, grille, foglight assembly, and exhaust system replaced with all oem parts.


Hope this kind of helps

[inv4zn]

^What the fuck happened there!?

5-car (I think) pileup in rush hour??

[Badhobz]

I dont think he has new vehicle replacement insurance. But thanks for all the help fellas. I think he'll most likely be shopping for another car soon.

[meme405]

100% Write off.

[asma123]

even if it's not a write off I would strongly suggest for ICBC to write off and pay me for the car. I wouldn't want to be rear ended again in that car lol

[The_AK]

even if it's not a write off I would strongly suggest for ICBC to write off and pay me for the car. I wouldn't want to be rear ended again in that car lol

Hmm I'm curious now to see how a rebuilt vehicle holds up in an accident.

[swfk]

For sure a write off. I'm surprised the topic is "is this a write-off?" and not "is my friend okay?"

That's a big hit for a modern car lol

[Timpo]

For sure a write off. I'm surprised the topic is "is this a write-off?" and not "is my friend okay?"

That's a big hit for a modern car lol

Moderns cars are made to absorb the impact as much as possible before hit the cabin.
look at the interior, although the glass is shattered, it doesn't look like interior was damaged.

If the car didn't break, the passenger will be directly absorbing all the impact.

Also it was probably hit by a lifted pick up truck or something. As you can see, it hit the trunk and kinda missed the impact absorber under the bumper.

[thumper]

Moderns cars are made to absorb the impact as much as possible before hit the cabin.
look at the interior, although the glass is shattered, it doesn't look like interior was damaged.

If the car didn't break, the passenger will be directly absorbing all the impact.

Also it was probably hit by a lifted pick up truck or something. As you can see, it hit the trunk and kinda missed the impact absorber under the bumper.

we already saw it was a ford ranger in the video that was posted https://www.revscene.net/forums/712024-write-off.html#post8831061

the back window is broken because the trunk lid folded over and smashed into the glass.

[AstulzerRZD]

Holy crap, I had a much lighter rear ender and still had some grade 1 whiplash injury. Hope your friend is ok.

[BIC_BAWS]

^What the fuck happened there!?

5-car (I think) pileup in rush hour??

Yeah, 5-car pile up in rush hour traffic northbound on knight bridge. Cars 1,2,3 were all at full stop. Cars 4 and 5 had it worse. I'm pretty sure the 7th gen civic (car 4) was totalled. This happened Jan 2016 tho. Weird thing is that around the same time, there was a 5-car pileup southbound.

[forcedot]

Your friend can tell everyone he drives a Ferarri FF now :lawl:

[604STIG]

Coincidentally, my buddies accident with his Titan, that I mentioned above, was on Knight street as well near that same area.

[Badhobz]

whats with knight street? way too many accidents on both the bottom of the bridge going southbound and this weird little downhill part leading up to turn off for marine drive.

[Reeyal]

Some drivers are just too impatient and resort to speeding and tail gating...

[lilaznviper]

people just can't merge properly and in a rush during rush hours.

mitchell island and marine on and off ramps are the worse areas for accidents to happen.

[yray]

There should be a dedicated lane from the knight bridge to the off ramp lane onto marine dr.

[RicePanda]

Accidents on Knight Bridge happen more often than it should when it rains. People tailgate in traffic, pick up speed when traffic starts moving, then the person in front of them slows down and an accident occurs if they either aren't paying attention or can't brake in time.

Looks like the Ford Ranger driver wasn't paying attention and slammed into the Accord. The Mazda3 following behind managed to slow after seeing the Ranger suddenly stop after slamming into the Accord, but it still hit the Ford Ranger (not much damage to the Ranger, but you can see the 3's hood crumpled).

Stuff like this is why the ICBC handbook suggests maintaining distances suitable to safely come to a complete stop if the vehicle in front of you went to an immediate stop.

[Badhobz]

So it was a write off.. they estimated 24,000+ to repair it. Ouchy...
Surprisingly the estimator said it was still repairable due to the subframe being in okay condition.

Wonder whats going to happen now with that heap. My buddy's taking a cheque but we are curious if we can steal the wheels and tires (replace them with some old snow tires and steelies) before he signs it over to ICBC.

[Urrtoast]

I would not do that , they have documentation and pictures of the vehicle.
You can ask them for the rims and tire but they will reduce the amount paid.

:noyoudidnt:



So it was a write off.. they estimated 24,000+ to repair it. Ouchy...
Surprisingly the estimator said it was still repairable due to the subframe being in okay condition.

Wonder whats going to happen now with that heap. My buddy's taking a cheque but we are curious if we can steal the wheels and tires (replace them with some old snow tires and steelies) before he signs it over to ICBC.

[EvoFire]

So it was a write off.. they estimated 24,000+ to repair it. Ouchy...
Surprisingly the estimator said it was still repairable due to the subframe being in okay condition.

Wonder whats going to happen now with that heap. My buddy's taking a cheque but we are curious if we can steal the wheels and tires (replace them with some old snow tires and steelies) before he signs it over to ICBC.

you can forget about it. My dad got into an accident with winters and steelies and ICBC asked for the original wheels.

[TouringTeg]

^ if your dad was unable to produce the OEM wheels would ICBC reduce the pay out amount?

[Limitless]

^That's what usually happens, they deduct the price of OEM wheels (which is a huge rip off) from your payout amount. Same thing happens if you give them aftermarket wheels instead of OEM I believe.

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17814491_10158483568990582_626657298398476829_o.jp g?oh=78f6b3c81ae90fc9974b0da219bfdf09&oe=598EEF56
Passed by this accident too :/ Repairs are always possible, just depends if it's worth it or not. You can take basically anything that you didn't purchase the car with lol, which doesn't seem like much from that car. If you have aftermarket stuff then yeah. Why bother taking those wheels and tires though..

[Badhobz]

they only have like 7000kms of wear on them. He has a set of snow tires from an older civic (his previous car to the accord) that we were hoping to throw on the accord. Oh well, not really worth the effort anyways i guess.

[teggy604]

$24,000 damn. Did the airbags deploy as well?

[twitchyzero]

how did the Ranger do that much rear-ender damage in rush hour traffic, not at an intersection?
barely hits 60kph before that stretch where cars are bumper to bumper on the exit
probably wasn't paying attention and flew into the Accord at full speed.

[Badhobz]

Air bags did not deploy. Apparently the Ford ranger guy didn't even touch the brakes so he ended up hitting majority of the trunk structure and missing the sensors in the bumper by a few inches.

[!Aznboi128]

airbags generally don't deploy in a rear-ender

[- kT]

not "not generally", they do not deploy in a rear end collision full stop (unless you are hit and pushed into the car in front of you hard enough)
- reason being, to date, there are no cars with SRS sensors in the rear. front, sides have sensors (in modern cars). reasoning behind this is when you are hit from the rear, your head whips forward then snaps back. an airbag deploying will simply worsen the effect of said whiplash

I think some are underestimating the cost of an ICBC repair, for the record this was a $10k claim. Passenger's side taillight cracked (driver's side fine), crack on the trunk, and bumper pushed in slightly.
Cousin was rear ended by a pickup truck while he was stopped at a red light. Car was only picked up 2 weeks prior and now has a $10k claim on it.

http://i.imgur.com/lSyOLPq.jpg

to put this into context however.. this car was fixed at my shop, and I personally wrote the estimate on it. I referenced the same to ilvtofu's cousin, but because the vehicle was brand new, only OEM toyota parts were available for it. the tailgate needed to be replaced, as well as the end panel, and if memory serves, the tailgate alone was $1000+ for the part alone, before labour or paint. generally speaking, especially on claims that are mostly part re+re, half (or more than half) of the total repair cost is parts alone. in the above case of the prius, parts totaled roughly $6000 - so the actual "repair" cost was only about 4k. one cannot assume all claims are the same, a $10,000 claim that is mostly parts differs immensely from a $10k claim where the frame is twisted and there's a lot of structural damage. again in the case of the above prius, there was zero frame (unibody) damage, purely part replacement and paintwork. being a pearl white 3 stage finish as well, that would obviously also add to the total repair cost. not as simple as looking at the final cost!

[twitchyzero]

what's the standard procedure for icbc estimates? default quote is with oem parts? or with 3rd party parts if available? Is there a way to tell from the estimate documentation or always have to ask/specify?

[VR6GTI]

what's the standard procedure for icbc estimates? default quote is with oem parts? or with 3rd party parts if available? Is there a way to tell from the estimate documentation or always have to ask/specify?

Icbc = Aftmarket or used unless you have an apv286 which is a replacement parts policy which you can purchase up to 4 years since the vehicle is new. Yes if the part was replaced with an OEM on the estimate sheet it will have the part number if it's used or aftamarket it will say so. However in the past few years the game has changed and from who I talk to in the industry most use OEM and little to none Used or aftermarket.

[- kT]

^ what he said, however icbc still mandates the most cost effective part. usually that's aftermarket or used as mentioned. however a lot of times oem is the only available option. it really depends on a ton of factors beyond what can be simply explained in one post, but the estimate will always reflect as long as you know how to read it. "replace prepriced" on the estimate means jobber part, replace recycled self explanatory, and a part number where the above words would be means oem

[Nvasion]

^ what he said, however icbc still mandates the most cost effective part. usually that's aftermarket or used as mentioned. however a lot of times oem is the only available option. it really depends on a ton of factors beyond what can be simply explained in one post, but the estimate will always reflect as long as you know how to read it. "replace prepriced" on the estimate means jobber part, replace recycled self explanatory, and a part number where the above words would be means oem

wow KT you are quite knowledgeable. shop has taught you alot!