[E-SPEC]

All the failing issues and funding cuts going on and our Country is able to shell out almost a Billion dollars to a 3rd world Country? Why???? Am i seeing this wrong?

Trudeau says Canada to give Syria $840M following deadly attack | Watch News Videos Online (http://globalnews.ca/video/3359092/trudeau-says-government-says-canada-to-give-syria-840m-following-deadly-attack)

[hchang]

We got a fucking hippy in office lol fuck

I'm not against helping out third world countries but 480 million is excessive. US only gave about half.

Get ready for higher taxes thanks to the Federal Liberals.

[Jmac]

While it doesn't help given all the other spending, shelling out $34/taxpayer isn't going to have a significant impact on taxes by itself.

Would've preferred a government matches donations approach like we do for natural disasters.

[Manic!]

With the close to 100 mill US trump gave them that's like a billion $.

[dapperfied]

:fulloffuck:

[Hondaracer]

I'm of the opinion that different people do infact have different values on this earth.. however, why does this fucking war zone that is propped up by our UN allies get such extensive coverage/monetary investment while

Media outlets occasionally mention it but not even 1/5th the coverage syria gets,

"the greatest humanitarian crisis of our lifetime is happening right now"

https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-03-13/worst-humanitarian-crisis-decades-happening-right-now

20 million people potentially facing starvation and ppl are worried about 70 people cause they were killed with gas?

not to mention, prior to this money, ever single dollar of the Liberal budget had already been allocated..

[Manic!]

I'm of the opinion that different people do infact have different values on this earth.. however, why does this fucking war zone that is propped up by our UN allies get such extensive coverage/monetary investment while

Media outlets occasionally mention it but not even 1/5th the coverage syria gets,

"the greatest humanitarian crisis of our lifetime is happening right now"

https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-03-13/worst-humanitarian-crisis-decades-happening-right-now

20 million people potentially facing starvation and ppl are worried about 70 people cause they were killed with gas?

not to mention, prior to this money, ever single dollar of the Liberal budget had already been allocated..

Ask your buddy trump.

[SkinnyPupp]

I'm curious what people think when they see headlines like this? Do they think Trudeau is going to literally take stacks of money and give it to people in Syria?

Have they released an outline saying exactly where all this money is going, and how long term this plan is? If so please post it. Because the link in the OP does nothing other than give us an inflammatory figure to get mad at.

[Badhobz]

Lighthouses for you Trudeau. Eat'em.... the whole f'ing bag

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/mkr7ubjw2ad10sv4pbhd.jpg

[westopher]

Oh the guy with the maserati can't handle the idea of his 34 dollars being put into saving innocent lives in war torn countries?
You will be ok dude.

[Mr.Money]

watch 20 years from now there is still war going on..
i guess its a little better then giving it to homeless that the only wipe their ass & smash your car window for 1 dollar in they're entire life.

[DragonChi]

"deliver $840 million in humanitarian assistance over the next three years to support the basic needs of those hardest hit by the conflicts, including food, shelter, health care, water, sanitation and hygiene, as well as protection and emergency education. Assistance will target the most vulnerable, including children and survivors of sexual and gender-based violence;"
Addressing the crises in Iraq and Syria and impacts on the region: helping those most affected | Prime Minister of Canada (http://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2016/02/08/addressing-crises-iraq-and-syria-and-impacts-region-helping-those-most-affected)

So, not stacks of hundos to Syrians. What would they do with our plastic money anyways. LOL.

[Marshall Placid]

"will provide $840 million worth of life-saving humanitarian and development assistance."

Some of it will be loans and purchases of Canadian made equipment, from Canadian companies, to Syria.

So, it will benefit our economy somewhat.

[CharlesInCharge]

Its always carrot and stick with the NWO.... but at this point we dont know if the money will be funding another 'colour revolution' or indirectly helping to setup safe zones for ISIS terrorists.

[Badhobz]

Oh the guy with the maserati can't handle the idea of his 34 dollars being put into saving innocent lives in war torn countries?
You will be ok dude.

I much rather spend 34 dollars helping fellow Canadians. I understand syrians plight but there are starving people and oppressed people everywhere.

[Manic!]

I much rather spend 34 dollars helping fellow Canadians. I understand syrians plight but there are starving people and oppressed people everywhere.

They have spent a billion on east van and where has that got us?

[Badhobz]

They have spent a billion on east van and where has that got us?

not a damn thing. That fentanyl crap is insane right now.

However if they cant even take care of our east van with our money, what makes you think that giving some other nation money would be a better use of resources?

Use the 840 million to fix the damn roads. Use it to provide better health care; buy some more MRI machines so people arent waiting 6-8 months to get a scan. Reduce classroom sizes. Stop shutting down secondary schools in vancouver. The list goes on and on.
We have our own problems here that needs to be addressed first.

[quasi]

not a damn thing. That fentanyl crap is insane right now.

However if they cant even take care of our east van with our money, what makes you think that giving some other nation money would be a better use of resources?

Use the 840 million to fix the damn roads. Use it to provide better health care; buy some more MRI machines so people arent waiting 6-8 months to get a scan. Reduce classroom sizes. Stop shutting down secondary schools in vancouver. The list goes on and on.
We have our own problems here that needs to be addressed first.

I don't disagree with what you're saying and I'm sure they could find better places to spend the money then giving it to Syria but in regards to MRI's they've addressed some of the wait on the MRI's by opening some locations 24 hours. I actually had an MRI on Monday morning at 2am, 10 week wait to get it which although isn't instant it's better then it was.

[unit]

not a damn thing. That fentanyl crap is insane right now.

However if they cant even take care of our east van with our money, what makes you think that giving some other nation money would be a better use of resources?

Use the 840 million to fix the damn roads. Use it to provide better health care; buy some more MRI machines so people arent waiting 6-8 months to get a scan. Reduce classroom sizes. Stop shutting down secondary schools in vancouver. The list goes on and on.
We have our own problems here that needs to be addressed first.

there are always, always problems here that people are going to want to address first. that would just mean we would always have an excuse not to give humanitarian aid.

[320icar]

They have spent a billion on east van and where has that got us?

You can't help people who don't want help.

[smoothie.]

Lets play a game.

Which country would be drastically different and improved if we put $430,000,000 towards it?

[E-SPEC]

Help our Country first and foremost before everyone else. Trudeau doesn't have our priorities in his best interest.

[kr4l]

Help our Country first and foremost before everyone else. Trudeau doesn't have our priorities in his best interest.

Jesus Christ you guys sound so selfish. With this mentality, we would always just find an excuse to help ourselves and say no to everyone else. Yes I agree that the amount is insane, but we seriously have some first world problems here compared to them

[sonick]

With the close to 100 mill US trump gave them that's like a billion $.

Plus the millions worth of Tomahawk missiles Trump also gave them, with free delivery too.

[The KingMachine]

How do you keep track of the money in an active war zone? Who received it?

[DHP 1]

how about use the damn money and put some god damn reflectors on our road?
Its absolutely mind boggling driving down here, when we get 9 months of rain thru out the year. You take a drive down to seattle, and you will notice they get spammed with reflectors and reflective lines.

Go figure

[unit]

^i think this all the time

worst time was when there was a lot of hwy construction near the old port mann and the lines were all over the place. they had temporary lines, old lines, and barriers that all added to the confusion, and to top it off a few sharp turns on the highway! when it rained i can't tell you how many times i saw cars almost come to a complete stop because they were heading for the barriers.

[underscore]

Use the 840 million to fix the damn roads.

how about use the damn money and put some god damn reflectors on our road?

Are you really suggesting fixing slightly imperfect roads should be a priority over humanitarian efforts? You do realize these are national funds right? Do you think people from Ontario would be keen on paying to fix roads in BC? And have you seen the cost of roadwork? 840M won't get you very much.

If you want to combine humanitarian aid and roadwork then send the money to Saskatchewan, their roads look like they're from some third world country that just got bombed.

[Badhobz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2mrFBLzuIs

[hchang]

You can't help people who don't want help.

No you can't.

But how about we spend the money on hospital facilities, roads (which unfortunately are owned by Translink), police departments, city funding, firefighters, school funding, community centres?

Would you feed somebody else's kids before you fed yours?

[kr4l]

No you can't.

But how about we spend the money on hospital facilities, roads (which unfortunately are owned by Translink), police departments, city funding, firefighters, school funding, community centres?

Would you feed somebody else's kids before you fed yours?

If the other kid is starving and about to fucking die, then yes I would feed there kid first. WTF. What you're not getting is that my kid is doing okay while there kids Haven't eaten for weeks. Jesus Christ

Edit - a lot of you guys really need to open your eyes a bit here. You are taking for granted everything in your life right now. Tomorrow you wake up, it's sunny (or raining),, you eat breakfast, go to work, hang out with friends after, sleep under a roof in your comfy bed that has clean water, heat and electricty.

They wake up most likely having a bomb dropping through there roof or chemicals in the air killing you and all your family members..

[mr_chin]

Seriously, the west should stop sticking their nose into Syria like they own damn world. Whatever is happening in that part of the country has nothing to do with us. Don't get me wrong, I feel bad and sympathetic for those people, but it's a problem nobody can solve.

How much you wanna bet that that $840 million will not solve a damn thing. In the next 5 - 10 years, we'll still see shit happening over there. Even if it's not in Syria, something else, somewhere else, will start.

Aside from that, there is roughly 35 million people in all of Canada. We surely can use a million or two each out of that $840, and they will still have money left over for other shit.

I don't know what the fuck this country is coming to.

[ZN6]

We got a fucking hippy in office lol fuck

I'm not against helping out third world countries but 480 million is excessive. US only gave about half.

Get ready for higher taxes thanks to the Federal Liberals.

So the value is about the same right? :troll:

RIP Canadian dollar :okay:

[iwantaskyline]

Seriously, the west should stop sticking their nose into Syria like they own damn world. Whatever is happening in that part of the country has nothing to do with us. Don't get me wrong, I feel bad and sympathetic for those people, but it's a problem nobody can solve.

How much you wanna bet that that $840 million will not solve a damn thing. In the next 5 - 10 years, we'll still see shit happening over there. Even if it's not in Syria, something else, somewhere else, will start.

Aside from that, there is roughly 35 million people in all of Canada. We surely can use a million or two each out of that $840, and they will still have money left over for other shit.

I don't know what the fuck this country is coming to.

The math definitely checks out there!

[Jmac]

The math definitely checks out there!
Didn't you know we're giving Syria $840 quadrillion?

[iwantaskyline]

We currently have the worst refugee crisis in human history -- yes worse than the aftermath of WW2. If the west doesn't help stabilize Syria which contributes a lot to the refugee crisis then expect more and more refugees flooding into western countries in the next decade.

Also, not that it matters but things like this is why when Canadians travel abroad we're always met with kindness and respect.

[will068]

How do you keep track of the money in an active war zone? Who received it?

Dictators and warlords.

The US do this to fund their puppet governments. If they disobey the US, they get killed (i.e. Saddam and Iraq).

[highfive]

Prob is Syria can't be fixed with just money. Money is only going to complicate things even further. There are too many players involved and to many cultural/ethnic division in the area.

https://youtu.be/JFpanWNgfQY

This is a good video to watch.

[DragonChi]

We currently have the worst refugee crisis in human history -- yes worse than the aftermath of WW2. If the west doesn't help stabilize Syria which contributes a lot to the refugee crisis then expect more and more refugees flooding into western countries in the next decade.

Also, not that it matters but things like this is why when Canadians travel abroad we're always met with kindness and respect.

Sadly, it's most likely that the nationalists will never leave North America.

[Hondaracer]

We currently have the worst refugee crisis in human history -- yes worse than the aftermath of WW2. If the west doesn't help stabilize Syria which contributes a lot to the refugee crisis then expect more and more refugees flooding into western countries in the next decade.

Also, not that it matters but things like this is why when Canadians travel abroad we're always met with kindness and respect.

i'd be all for helping to stabilize syria if we didn't have a "UN Ally" backing the Assad regime in the Russian Federation.

Give 800 million to Syria, start rebuilding infrastructure and support facilities, have Russian backed fighters destroy/dismantle infrastructure we paid for.

I think we should focus on Political ties and actually addressing the root of the problem as opposed to sending funds, which frankly, who knows where they will end up.

It's like Haiti after the earthquake, how much money was sent there, for what? people are still living in shacks and tents years later, Red Cross raised half a billion dollars and built nothing. In general people are no better off than months after towns were reduced to rubble.

Syria is no different, going to prop up a pile of rubble for a few years more.

[Hondaracer]

Prob is Syria can't be fixed with just money. Money is only going to complicate things even further. There are too many players involved and to many cultural/ethnic division in the area.

https://youtu.be/JFpanWNgfQY

This is a good video to watch.

if only half of the shit in this video is accurate.. it just reinforces my last post as to why the fuck we would send a dime there.

[godwin]

You guys do realise most of that money is used to hire Canadians and buy Canadian supplies like food etc to help over there right? eg people with Foreign Affairs get hazard pay etc. Also supplies like bandages etc are procured here and shipped there. That's where the 840million figure comes to. It is not like they are dropping buckets of cash from the air.

Most of the money are spent here and the logistics to ship over there. Consider it is a war zone.

[Nabatron]

for one thing how does someone come up with the number of $840 MILLION FUCKING DOLLARS? Why so much? how does this number even been thought of? What I am trying to say is why couldn't it be $10 mill, or $30 heck if you are already at $840 mill why not just give them 1billion I mean your practically already there....fuck trudeau!

[godwin]

Because sending help to war zone is expensive..per person you can easily run $1000+ / hour (think again hazard pay and security). A medivac can easily end up $100k each. Just an ER doctor who accompany a patient on a medivac flight from SEA to YVR get pay thousands of $ per hour. Then you have practical things like decontamination gear etc.

Honestly the cost doesn't faze me, however I am curious how they can get the help there without causing problems or caught in the cross fire. Most of the money has already been squirreled away already, it is not like we can get $840mill to celebrate our 150anniversay or something.



for one thing how does someone come up with the number of $840 MILLION FUCKING DOLLARS? Why so much? how does this number even been thought of? What I am trying to say is why couldn't it be $10 mill, or $30 heck if you are already at $840 mill why not just give them 1billion I mean your practically already there....fuck trudeau!

[DragonChi]

Helping directly has an immediate effect to the immediate problem of starvation, homelessness due to their house being in rubbles, trying to survive in a war zone, and to top it off, having to worry about their skin being blistered off, suffocating from their lungs being inflamed because their government doesn't give a fuck.

So, the next time you want to say Canada first, compare what you got now, to what they're living through. But sure, our hospitals could be better with some millions. At least we got a hospital.

That 840 million in terms of labour and product could just as well give Canada a leg up on our high costs of health care, and social programs. Throwing money at those problems isn't the solution. It's not funds those programs are lacking, it's efficiency. Canada already pays one of the most highest costs in health care and pharmaceuticals. That's another discussion though.

As opposed to using that 840 million for aid to those we can help right now, and would mean much more.

[iwantaskyline]

i'd be all for helping to stabilize syria if we didn't have a "UN Ally" backing the Assad regime in the Russian Federation.

Give 800 million to Syria, start rebuilding infrastructure and support facilities, have Russian backed fighters destroy/dismantle infrastructure we paid for.

I think we should focus on Political ties and actually addressing the root of the problem as opposed to sending funds, which frankly, who knows where they will end up.

It's like Haiti after the earthquake, how much money was sent there, for what? people are still living in shacks and tents years later, Red Cross raised half a billion dollars and built nothing. In general people are no better off than months after towns were reduced to rubble.

Syria is no different, going to prop up a pile of rubble for a few years more.

I think you're confused on what the UN is. Just because Russia is a member of the UN does not mean we're their "ally". We have a number of ongoing sanctions against Russia mainly due to Crimea and so does America.

However I understand that to solve the Syrian crisis you have to solve the Russian/Assad problem. But that's besides the point, this 800 million is to save lives not to solve a war. Also we're not sending $800 million in cash...it's going to be in Canadian equipment and personnel and likely some cash...

[Marshall Placid]

Because we are Canadians.



There is the premise that we have ample opportunities (in every sense of the word), whether we use them or not, living in a first-world country.

However, Syrians do not, AND are also subject to the vagaries of war.

[DragonChi]

Because sending help to war zone is expensive..per person you can easily run $1000+ / hour (think again hazard pay and security). A medivac can easily end up $100k each. Just an ER doctor who accompany a patient on a medivac flight from SEA to YVR get pay thousands of $ per hour. Then you have practical things like decontamination gear etc.

Honestly the cost doesn't faze me, however I am curious how they can get the help there without causing problems or caught in the cross fire. Most of the money has already been squirreled away already, it is not like we can get $840mill to celebrate our 150anniversay or something.

How true is this 1000+ an hour wage?

I'm willing to goto Syria on behalf of Canada for this amount of money. LOL.

I think they get help there by securing military zones for flights. That's my opinion though, it's based on zero fact. I'll let you know if I ever end up there.

Fuck this leftist, bleeding heart of mine though. Thank god I'm not the one in power.

Also, I think the reflectors on the road thing is a provincial funding problem. However, if the feds matched funds, like they did for public transit, then it would make it a lot of a heck easier to get done.

[beebob]

read that as trudeau to give 840il to Syria at first sight.DansGame I need new glasses...

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[m4k4v4li]

The 0.7% ODA/GNI target - a history - OECD (http://www.oecd.org/dac/stats/the07odagnitarget-ahistory.htm)