[Hehe]

So my dad bought a vacation farm close to Hope and would finally come to Canada more often, they are in the process of getting their super visas, and we expect them to actually come in a year time or so.

Long story short, bro, mom and I are pitching in to get his car. (Thankfully my mom taking the large piece of pie. :fuckthatshit: )

At first I thought about Range Rover, since my dad is coming from a Bentley Mulsanne+LR Defender and the RR sounded an ideal hybrid of the 2. But given my dad does like to get his hands dirty in the farm (he devoted the last 15 years doing this in his retirement and is totally pro now), and he's looking forward to do some serious road trips (on, and off-road) when he's not in the farm, RR seems to be coming short on the off-road and roughness department when comparing to my dad's Defender (which my dad clocked over 600k on it traveling all over South America... solid as a rock and always relatively easy repairs when problem arises)

My bro suggested Benz G class as a midground to have some decent luxury without taking away the ability of offroading that my dad enjoys very much.

My questions, do modern G class lives up to its reputation? I mean, the old one from the 70/80s was legendary. Given a new update is on the horizon and my dad's timeline, it looks like a great time to put down a deposit for one.

Any reason against this idea and if not, any reason to go AMG? I know they have larger engine... but they also come with some ricey kits that I don't find any sense for offroad. Lower side exhaust-pipes? :rukidding:

[hud 91gt]

Vacation Farm?

Honestly though, all the vehicles are pretty capable. Ground clearance is always an issue off road, and that is probably where a G is going to shine.

How about a Rubicon, and then a nice S class? Best of both worlds as there is always a comprimise.

[swfk]

If he needs to do long drives, consider how the G wagon is terrible on gas. My vote goes to the RR Sport Diesel. It has decent offroading capabilities, (better than the G anyways) with great gas mileage.

However, the value on the G holds so much better even if you rack mileage on it. Both sides to consider.

[thumper]

your dad sounds like he could use one of these... :thumbsup:


https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/avtoros/shaman/first-drive

[Manic!]

If your dad is going to do some actual farming he would be way better off with a pickup truck.

[Hehe]

Vacation Farm?

Honestly though, all the vehicles are pretty capable. Ground clearance is always an issue off road, and that is probably where a G is going to shine.

How about a Rubicon, and then a nice S class? Best of both worlds as there is always a comprimise.

It's a vacation home for him, but it's more like a farm rather than the usual vacation home. So, vacation farm. :D

The idea is to just get a single car as it's a vacation home and doesn't justify owning two seperate cars.

If he needs to do long drives, consider how the G wagon is terrible on gas. My vote goes to the RR Sport Diesel. It has decent offroading capabilities, (better than the G anyways) with great gas mileage.

However, the value on the G holds so much better even if you rack mileage on it. Both sides to consider.

I didn't quite think about this, and after you mentioned, I looked it up and god is this car chugging on the gas. Hopefully they bring the diesel version this time around.

your dad sounds like he could use one of these... :thumbsup:


https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/avtoros/shaman/first-drive




My dad's dream is to own a MAN 6x6 Expedition truck. But the asking price and it being an actual truck is not something my mom is willing to go along with.

Although when my mom gave the green light on the Bentley, my dad teased her that pound for pound, the MAN is so much a better deal. :fuckthatshit:

I think I'm going to drop by the dealership asking for a reservation on the next year G class (apparently they have a long wait list?) and also take a look at the RR Sport Diesel.

[Hehe]

If your dad is going to do some actual farming he would be way better off with a pickup truck.

My dad isn't doing "farming" on a commercial sense, but rather planting flowers, veggie and fruits. (on a scale of enough to feed 30-50ppl, as he gives away to F&F)

He'd buy all the equipment he needs (a bobcat and a tractor), his car is more to carry the final products. :D

[frozen]

Pitching amount

Bro: $500
OP: $500
Mom: $200,000 (earned by dad)

"Here's our gift to you!"

[underscore]

I'm not sure if you can bring one in from the US or not, but what about the new Land Cruiser? They're supposed to be designed to have an obscenely long service life.

[Hehe]

Lol... I wish that's the split.

My bro and I were originally thinking about a nice pickup truck, but my mom voted against the idea of a pickup for it to be too rough. (the hint was "don't get something like ur dad's Defender") But our budget (35-50k each) couldn't quite afford a higher-end Europeans like RR.

So my mom proposed us picking whatever we feel suit and she will pick up the remainder of the bill.

I'm not sure if you can bring one in from the US or not, but what about the new Land Cruiser? They're supposed to be designed to have an obscenely long service life.

Land Cruiser sounds good. I'd look into that. And yes, it's admissible. If anything, the Lexus LX570 is supposedly the beefed up version of LC.

[roastpuff]

Get your mom to ride in one of the new Ram Longhorns or Limiteds, Ford King Ranch or Platinums, or GMC Denali. Definitely not rough at all... the new pick up trucks are comfy.

I miss my truck. :(

F150 Limited interior
http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2016/05/2016-Ford-F-150-Limited-interior.jpg

[Manic!]

My dad isn't doing "farming" on a commercial sense, but rather planting flowers, veggie and fruits. (on a scale of enough to feed 30-50ppl, as he gives away to F&F)

He'd buy all the equipment he needs (a bobcat and a tractor), his car is more to carry the final products. :D

But when he is buying supply's for his farm I don't thing he will want to carry them int back of a G wagon. Also there are no Mercedes dealers in Hope. So if he has any problems with the G wagon I will be a bit of a drive for service.

[Hehe]

But when he is buying supply's for his farm I don't thing he will want to carry them int back of a G wagon. Also there are no Mercedes dealers in Hope. So if he has any problems with the G wagon I will be a bit of a drive for service.

My dad currently carries his supplies in a little trailer he tows with the Defender. I figured he'd do the same when he's here.

As far as service goes, is the G bad in this aspect? I think my dad can live with the once every while drive to a MB dealer as he'd be coming into town anyway. But if there's a lot of small problems here and there, I might take it off the list.

Get your mom to ride in one of the new Ram Longhorns or Limiteds, Ford King Ranch or Platinums, or GMC Denali. Definitely not rough at all... the new pick up trucks are comfy.

I miss my truck. :(

F150 Limited interior
http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2016/05/2016-Ford-F-150-Limited-interior.jpg

The F150 limited was something I was thinking originally as I was working with a sub 100k budget OTD. But given the additional budget, is it still the best option considering the need?

[roastpuff]

My dad currently carries his supplies in a little trailer he tows with the Defender. I figured he'd do the same when he's here.

As far as service goes, is the G bad in this aspect? I think my dad can live with the once every while drive to a MB dealer as he'd be coming into town anyway. But if there's a lot of small problems here and there, I might take it off the list.



The F150 limited was something I was thinking originally as I was working with a sub 100k budget OTD. But given the additional budget, is it still the best option considering the need?

I'd take a F-150 over a G-wagen for "farm" or hobby use. Be nice to be able to throw stuff into the bed (mulch, hay, 2x4s, fence posts, tools, etc) rather than the interior. The new F-150 with the 3.5L EcoBoost and 10-speed is just about as fast as the non-AMG G-wagens, and probably better fuel economy to boot!

[Cman333]

Lol... I wish that's the split.

My bro and I were originally thinking about a nice pickup truck, but my mom voted against the idea of a pickup for it to be too rough. (the hint was "don't get something like ur dad's Defender") But our budget (35-50k each) couldn't quite afford a higher-end Europeans like RR.


If you're looking at under $60k for a G-Wagon, then that would put you into the early 2000's G-Wagon. Which is the Daimler Era Benz's. I work on a lot of G-Wagon's.....and these Daimler Era's G-Wagon's all seem to have ALOT of little electrical issues (power seats/window/locks no working, annoying vent issues, dash lights, battery drain, etc). Nothing that really effects the drive of the vehicle, but definitely effects the convenience. As you're aware little issues on Benz's tend to run thousands per little issue.

Old G-Wagons don't have all the complicated electrical but have no convenience features, Daimler era Benz's in general are plagued with electrical gremlins, and new gen models are damn expensive.

Just my opinion on it.

[LP700-4]

I think you need the big G wagon for ultimate off road. Wonder if they're legal in Canada

https://rennlist.com/forums/attachments/vehicle-marketplace/1142251d1488907348-mercedes-g550-4x4-squared-img_0927.jpg

[noclue]

The current G-Wagon is the worst SUV I've ever driven for the price, only get it for looks or if you are a serious off-roader. Horrible on gas, rides like shit, loud as hell, possibly because it's still based on it's 70's chassis. Recommend Range Rover / Escalade ESV or even the GL-Class.

[jmanhas]

Although I really love my G wagon, I can't disagree with ^. I daily drove it for 2 months, and I got 24L/100KM, driving with a light foot lol. It also rides extremely rough/jarring. My lowerback and neck feels tense even after just driving the car

[dark0821]

If you're looking at under $60k for a G-Wagon, then that would put you into the early 2000's G-Wagon. Which is the Daimler Era Benz's. I work on a lot of G-Wagon's.....and these Daimler Era's G-Wagon's all seem to have ALOT of little electrical issues (power seats/window/locks no working, annoying vent issues, dash lights, battery drain, etc). Nothing that really effects the drive of the vehicle, but definitely effects the convenience. As you're aware little issues on Benz's tend to run thousands per little issue.

Old G-Wagons don't have all the complicated electrical but have no convenience features, Daimler era Benz's in general are plagued with electrical gremlins, and new gen models are damn expensive.

Just my opinion on it.

I think the OP meant 50K each, so their budget is 150K, which will put them in a new one....

I know this is kinda... not main stream.. but RAPTOR man... god, I am not into trucks but I would love the Raptor...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUUPPzPxVEM&t

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMOUk2LQN-I&t

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ72v6RWLX0

yes..... lol
but... if G wagon...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgcAA4HUxuE

though your mom might kill you because of the "left over tab" lol...

[hud 91gt]

Any reason not to get another Defender?

If he was happy with the other one?

[cl811]

Ford Raptor or Jeep Cherokee SRT! Thinking about a day of farming and then getting into a luxurious Mercedes G cabin doesn't seem to match. Thinking about the interior getting muddy and dirty makes me cringe.

[Hehe]

There's no new defender to purchase... not in Canada/US dealers at least.

And to go through the hassle of specially import one (assuming it's admissible), doesn't make much sense as my mom hates it. :D

Going to be in LAX soon, I'd rent a G-class on Turo and see how it is.

Ford Raptor or Jeep Cherokee SRT! Thinking about a day of farming and then getting into a luxurious Mercedes G cabin doesn't seem to match. Thinking about the interior getting muddy and dirty makes me cringe.

Not an issue... my dad does it currently with his Mulsanne from time to time. He just cleans it afterward. (my dad is really a car person. Not only he drives/works on what he can, he washes his cars on a weekly basis)

[hud 91gt]

There are plenty on the used market. I spoke with a guy last year who actually purchased one from Land Rover Canada. They had actually fully restored an imported one. Not sure about warranty, but who cares. They are simple machines.

[Robert Stack]

If you can get over the looks, LX570 and call it a day

[Gucci Mane]

Based on what you're saying he could easily make a Range Rover diesel work. Get a little trailer to tow stuff around in and install some weathertech mats so he doesn't get mud all over the inside.

But if it were me, I'd go leased base model f150 as the farm vehicle and a nice German sedan for your mom/dad for when they want to go out etc.

[underscore]

Jeep Cherokee SRT!

The man is coming from a Defender that he drove to over 600k and you'd suggest that?

[hud 91gt]

That actually made me laugh.

[Manic!]

Ford Raptor or Jeep Cherokee SRT! Thinking about a day of farming and then getting into a luxurious Mercedes G cabin doesn't seem to match. Thinking about the interior getting muddy and dirty makes me cringe.

Then why not a 2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk then? 707 HP and AWD.

[Hehe]

Guys, first, thanks for all the comments. But let's focus a bit on the off-road capability here.

I'm sure the Trailhawk and Raptors are very nice and capable, but I'm not sure it fits my dad's driving style.

Going in the Defender with my dad can be summarized with one word: spontaneous.

My dad would drive along the route/hwy and when he sees something that picks his interest, he just launches onto it within a blink of an eye. He doesn't plan or go to any offroad parks. He just goes wherever he feels like going.

I'm just looking for a vehicle that would provide a certain level of luxury and comfort while still able to take the beatings from trail wear.

[Thooomas]

Then why not a 2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk then? 707 HP and AWD.

I believe you're talking about the Grand Cherokee Trackhawk. My brother has a Grand Cherokee Trailhawk and it definitely does not have 707 hp lol

[roastpuff]

Guys, first, thanks for all the comments. But let's focus a bit on the off-road capability here.

Going in the Defender with my dad can be summarized with one word: spontaneous.

My dad would drive along the route/hwy and when he sees something that picks his interest, he just launches onto it within a blink of an eye. He doesn't plan or go to any offroad parks. He just goes wherever he feels like going.

I'm just looking for a vehicle that would provide a certain level of luxury and comfort while still able to take the beatings from trail wear.

Bolded words mine.

This is why I am suggesting a truck of some sort. The gussied up trucks (top trim Limited/Longhorn/Denali/whatever) can still go off-road just fine, and just need a change of tires to be even better in all conditions. Your dad might even like the Ram 2500 Power Wagon - it's a better off-roading truck than the Raptor with locking front and rear axles, disconnecting swaybars and a huge amount of ground clearance. You can still get the Power Wagon loaded up with luxury features so you get all the nice bells and whistles.

[Drow]

http://st.automobilemag.com/uploads/sites/10/2015/09/2014-mercedes-benz-g63-amg-6x6-mansory-front-three-quarter-wide.jpg

welcome home dad

[hchang]

How about Escalade / Yukon / Tahoe?

Lots of room, comfy, luxurious, AWD.

Will blend in more in Hope.

[MrPhreak]

G-Wagons are great off-road vehicles, but for somebody that is looking for something that doesn't drive like a tracked bobcat there are better choices out there.

If you are really hung up on off-road ability, the Ranger Rover is a much better choice. They will easily go anywhere a Defender or G-Wagon will go off-road, but are a lot nicer to drive on a daily basis.



Of course if you just have money to burn... nothing beats one of these
https://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201102/2008-mercedes-unimog-by-b_600x0w.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f4/00/40/f4004093b6a666573299c28700eaf381.jpg

[godwin]

Surprised no one suggested the Bentayga. I got to drive one around for a few weeks in Europe.. it is not a bad place to be even though gas prices is insane in Germany / Northern europe.

G wagon is only for nostalgia factor.. the world moved on since its inception.

Bentley Mulsanne+LR Defender and the RR sounded an ideal hybrid of the 2.

[swfk]

I think we need to reset our standards here. OP's dad has a high standard of luxury compared to most RS users. We may think a F150 Limited is luxurious but to OP's dad it's an American plastic interior.

As for the versatility, doesn't need to haul much. Since OP's dad is probably just growing vegetables for a big Asian weekend dinner for friends and family. RSer's idea of a farm truck is probably a huge pickup with infinite torque.

https://m.facebook.com/svehiclesinternational/#!/svehiclesinternational/

Another defender might be your answer if you need spontaneous offroading, takes a beating, and the car being coach-built will be luxurious enough, similar to his Bentayga.

[roastpuff]

I think we need to reset our standards here. OP's dad has a high standard of luxury compared to most RS users. We may think a F150 Limited is luxurious but to OP's dad it's an American plastic interior.

As for the versatility, doesn't need to haul much. Since OP's dad is probably just growing vegetables for a big Asian weekend dinner for friends and family. RSer's idea of a farm truck is probably a huge pickup with infinite torque.

https://m.facebook.com/svehiclesinternational/#!/svehiclesinternational/

Another defender might be your answer if you need spontaneous offroading, takes a beating, and the car being coach-built will be luxurious enough, similar to his Bentayga.

I think considering the Dad likes driving a Defender - which isn't exactly luxurious itself - F-150 will be just fine. Who's driving the luxury factor? It is Mom, as Dad seems to be quite happy with his Defender. Also, it's not like it will be their only vehicle. This is just one for toodling around the farm. A lot of successful farmers in the area I am (Pemberton/Squamish) have a nice truck (Longhorn/Lariat/Denali) and another luxury car (Cadillac, Lincoln, Audi, BMW etc.) for "going to town."

The F-150's interior has taken some pretty great leaps forward compared to previous generations, and the Limited has some nice leather-trimmed surfaces.

[Hehe]

I think considering the Dad likes driving a Defender - which isn't exactly luxurious itself - F-150 will be just fine. Who's driving the luxury factor? It is Mom, as Dad seems to be quite happy with his Defender. Also, it's not like it will be their only vehicle. This is just one for toodling around the farm. A lot of successful farmers in the area I am (Pemberton/Squamish) have a nice truck (Longhorn/Lariat/Denali) and another luxury car (Cadillac, Lincoln, Audi, BMW etc.) for "going to town."

The F-150's interior has taken some pretty great leaps forward compared to previous generations, and the Limited has some nice leather-trimmed surfaces.

I think I'm going to the dealership over the weekend to get a feel of American pickups as well as other possible European offers.

The thing about the Defender is that it's super mechanical with very few things that you can't quite fix yourself should anything goes wrong.

When my dad goes off to a road trip, depending on the length, he'd carry some spare parts that he deems prone to failure/replacement plus a little jack and a simple set of tools. And my dad is very handy when it comes to the mechanical side of thing as long as what he's dealing stays mechanical. The Mulsanne (or the Flying Spur before that) for example, is something my dad wouldn't touch with a 10ft pole as he said it's complicated to even do a DIY oil change given the tools required to do them plus the electronic stuff going on.

So really, it's not about how much luxury or speed that the car has, but rather a dependable vehicle that would give the confidence to go offroad. And should anything goes wrong or require attention, one can simply deal it on spot rather than having to find a dealer to service it.

http://st.automobilemag.com/uploads/sites/10/2015/09/2014-mercedes-benz-g63-amg-6x6-mansory-front-three-quarter-wide.jpg

welcome home dad

Not sure my mom would want to take that leftover bill. :fuckthatshit:

[roastpuff]

I think I'm going to the dealership over the weekend to get a feel of American pickups as well as other possible European offers.

The thing about the Defender is that it's super mechanical with very few things that you can't quite fix yourself should anything goes wrong.

When my dad goes off to a road trip, depending on the length, he'd carry some spare parts that he deems prone to failure/replacement plus a little jack and a simple set of tools. And my dad is very handy when it comes to the mechanical side of thing as long as what he's dealing stays mechanical. The Mulsanne (or the Flying Spur before that) for example, is something my dad wouldn't touch with a 10ft pole as he said it's complicated to even do a DIY oil change given the tools required to do them plus the electronic stuff going on.

So really, it's not about how much luxury or speed that the car has, but rather a dependable vehicle that would give the confidence to go offroad. And should anything goes wrong or require attention, one can simply deal it on spot rather than having to find a dealer to service it.


If you get the Ford 5.0L instead of the Ecoboost, you're more likely to be able to DIY a fix rather than go to the dealer - it's a much less complicated motor. Same goes with the Chevy/GMC 5.3L/6.2L or the Ram Hemi 5.7. These are stout, relatively simple motors (the Hemi and the Ford 5.0 don't even have direct injection!) that have been proven to be very dependable. Out in Hope, any of the Big 3 domestics are going to be much easier to find parts and someone to fix them as well, rather than German luxury.

Not quite as simple as the Defender, but still definitely workable without special tools or computers. I doubt you're going to find anything on the simplicity level of the Defender in any modern vehicle.

[StylinRed]

so did everyone decide the g wagon was unique all of a sudden? all i see are g classes lately

[SolidPenguin]

Get the man a gucci'd interior Unimog

[Hehe]

If you get the Ford 5.0L instead of the Ecoboost, you're more likely to be able to DIY a fix rather than go to the dealer - it's a much less complicated motor. Same goes with the Chevy/GMC 5.3L/6.2L or the Ram Hemi 5.7. These are stout, relatively simple motors (the Hemi and the Ford 5.0 don't even have direct injection!) that have been proven to be very dependable. Out in Hope, any of the Big 3 domestics are going to be much easier to find parts and someone to fix them as well, rather than German luxury.

Not quite as simple as the Defender, but still definitely workable without special tools or computers. I doubt you're going to find anything on the simplicity level of the Defender in any modern vehicle.

Thanks.

I think what I'm looking is "simple" and yet comfortable offroad-capable vehicles. So when they are out in Hope or middle of nowhere on one of their long roadtrips, the car would always get them back to us.

I mean, imagine of them being stranded off the ALCAN hwy in the middle of winter, when all it requires is a simple belt replacement to get the car going again. That's something I remember happening with my dad's Defender once we were traveling in southern Argentina. All my dad did was check the engine, brought out a spare belt he had in the part box, got to the tensioner, took old one out and new one in and we were on our way again, all within 15min.

On the Mulsanne... forget about it. There are layers and layers of things you'd need to take out no matter you go from top or bottom. At least we couldn't quite find it when we looked onto it.

[Manic!]

Thanks.

I think what I'm looking is "simple" and yet comfortable offroad-capable vehicles. So when they are out in Hope or middle of nowhere on one of their long roadtrips, the car would always get them back to us.

I mean, imagine of them being stranded off the ALCAN hwy in the middle of winter, when all it requires is a simple belt replacement to get the car going again. That's something I remember happening with my dad's Defender once we were traveling in southern Argentina. All my dad did was check the engine, brought out a spare belt he had in the part box, got to the tensioner, took old one out and new one in and we were on our way again, all within 15min.

On the Mulsanne... forget about it. There are layers and layers of things you'd need to take out no matter you go from top or bottom. At least we couldn't quite find it when we looked onto it.

That's why you should buy your dad a pickup truck. There a dime a dozen. He will be able to be get it repaired literally anywhere and the dealer/repair shop will have parts in stock or will be able to get them from a parts store. With the G wagon you will have to take it to a Mercedes dealer and they might have to order in parts.

My Audi is going to spend a week in the shop for a clutch change and it has to be towed to Victoria. If your dad has a problem with the G wagon in Hope good luck.

[Roach]

I have two 1998 Defender 110's in stock if that's your dad's thing.

IMO if luxury offroading is your dad's desire I would suggest trying out a full size range rover diesel. Very luxurious, adjustable height air suspension, dual speed transfer case and good wading depth. Skip the big wheels and you're looking at about 120k new.

Kev

[threezero]

pretty sure all modern mercedes and not diy friendly on the road.

Replace my mom's e class battery the other day. had to get to back to the dealership to reset the computer for all electronic to work... imagine if this happening on a trip

[CharlesInCharge]

Commission a HotWheels design on a HiAce (they come in LHD too) kit!

http://i.imgur.com/d4NSsvF.jpg

[underscore]

Thanks.

I think what I'm looking is "simple" and yet comfortable offroad-capable vehicles. So when they are out in Hope or middle of nowhere on one of their long roadtrips, the car would always get them back to us.

I mean, imagine of them being stranded off the ALCAN hwy in the middle of winter, when all it requires is a simple belt replacement to get the car going again. That's something I remember happening with my dad's Defender once we were traveling in southern Argentina. All my dad did was check the engine, brought out a spare belt he had in the part box, got to the tensioner, took old one out and new one in and we were on our way again, all within 15min.

On the Mulsanne... forget about it. There are layers and layers of things you'd need to take out no matter you go from top or bottom. At least we couldn't quite find it when we looked onto it.

I can't think of anything modern that's like that, the closest you'll probably get is finding something with a large enough dealer network that you're never far away from being able to have it fixed. With that in mind the first thing I think of is Ford, they've never really wow'd me when I drive them for work but they are everywhere. Personally I'd go for a Toyota since they're stupidly reliable and also almost everywhere.

[Hehe]

I went to a few dealership over the weekend: Ford, LR and Benz.

Ford was solid, but I gotta say that even the highest trim felt... well, like a Ford.

Benz G class: no available test drive car and there's a waitlist.

RR Sport Diesel/RR Diesel: This is what I was expecting, a hybrid of Mulsanne+Defender. But just as the Bentley, it's not very DIY friendly and honestly, given the horrid reliability record of Land Rover, I'm not sure I want it. Even my dad's Defender... I mean, being able to fix all problems DIY doesn't quite cover the fact that they have a lot of problems. The only difference is that, given the little electronic stuff going on the Defender, it will get you to your destination while patching up the problem. Whereas the RR might simply stop. Put it in my friend's word (owner of a RR), he's usually on the way to dealership to fix sth or just picking his car up from dealer. :fuckthatshit:

Going to take a look at Lexus LX570 tomorrow and see how I like it.

[Hehe]

After hitting up several dealers, I think my heart is set on the Lexus LX570.

Luxury-wise, I think RR still has the upper hand, but TBH, the price difference doesn't quite justify the difference. Lexus comes with option-less at 105k (meaning fully-loaded on everything) while the RR, when pricing in all the options we need (not everything... just what we wanted), I was looking at 135k. That plus the fact that reliability-wise, the Lexus easily swallows the RR.

Ford Raptor blew my mind... the speed of that thing is simply... wow... but ultimately we don't see the need to have a pickup and most, if not all, of the dirty things my dad would do can be covered with a good thick weather mat on the back.

As for the G-class, I managed to borrow one from a friend of a friend... and I gotta say, it's a lot rougher than I thought. 2018 model (supposedly a brand-new everything) might bring some changes, but as of now, it's out of the list.

Thanks for all the comments.

[Robert Stack]

If you can get over the looks, LX570 and call it a day

I got the right answer!