[Blueboy222]

:troll:

[MG1]

My thoughts...............


“Body Blitz Spa is a single-sex facility with full-nudity”

nuff said

[radioman]

This stuff is getting out of hand.

Listened to some of Dr Jordan Petersons talks and his sit down for Bill C-16 really showed me how bad the Ontario government is with handling these issues.

[Razor Ramon HG]

Yeah, I don't know if I want my mom or sister to see a dick waddling in front of them.

[320icar]

How can this generation "stand so strong" when no one has a spine.

Regardless of what characteristics we as humans place on men and women in our society, there are only two sexes, male or female (ignoring genetic abnormalities).

Fucking people today are so dumb. Act how yo want but that doesn't mean we all have to accommodate your choices.

Insert kyle's dad as a dolfin

[Great68]

Fucking people today are so dumb. Act how yo want but that doesn't mean we all have to accommodate your choices.


The LGBTQ argument is that sex and gender are not "choices".

Don't get me wrong, these are difficult issues that are only going to come up more often and I agree that businesses shouldn't have to accomodate everyone.

[320icar]

Hmm. I see your point. Nit sure how to politely respond without sounding like a trump supporter lol. People just need to use logic and basic adult-skills. If you are vegetation, it's understandable that a restaurant should have a dish or two that can accommodate you. If you're in a wheel chair, it's reasonable that a taxi service should have a few vehicles that can still take you. If you can't handle alchohol, it's reasonable to assume a bar should have some soda's or virgin cocktails.

But in this very specific case, this is a women's only NUDE spa, which could have young children at it too. Sure there's all age nude beaches in Europe or something, but hey this is Canada in the middle of a big city, NOT Europe. They have the option to just go to another spa I'm sure. Fine, life dealt you a shitty card by giving you a penis, and we want to make your life just as comfortable as everyone else's. But let's all be reasonable here. You can still go to movies, drive cars, drink beer, go to parties, ride a bicycle, have a job, own a house etc etc

I'm just rambling now. I just think everyone needs to calm down, stop being so offended and put things into prospective

Full disclosure: I am a late 20's white male of European descent living in North America, I DID NOT check my privelidge at the door lol

[Infiniti]

Side note: I live a block away from this place. I will be on the look out for said "nudity"

[fliptuner]

Don't like it, go elsewhere.

Brb going to protest female only gym.

Side note: I live a block away from this place. I will be on the look out for said "nudity"
Go in for a spa day. Just say you're pre-op.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Go in for a spa day. Just say you're pre-op.
You could even make it official. It's all pretty simple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGpZSefYvwM

[Hehe]

I think this whole LGBT thing is getting out of control.

In this very specific case, I fail to see where was the problem. If one is a trans that she considers herself a woman comfortably, that is fine and all. But to force the business, and every other patron in the premise to accept the same idea is a serious lack of respect IMHO.

This has nothing to do with transphobia, it's just a STANDARD a premise decide to impose in its business and a mutual ToC that their customers agree upon. Same thing goes with the "no shirt, no service" as well as the fucking menu that we see in restaurants. You don't agree, leave and go somewhere else. You don't start shitting about a place because they share a different definition on what a female is (or any other things for the matter) because this is a slippery road down going this way. What is the limit? Can I consider myself a female only on my gym days and male any other day?

[jackmeister]

fuck this political correctness bullshit FailFish

[Manic!]

You could even make it official. It's all pretty simple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGpZSefYvwM

OMG!!!! it's the golden shower girl.

[hchang]

Not sure if the human race is progressing or regressing....

[Spoon]

https://overpassesforamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/lgbt-evolution.jpg

[inv4zn]

Can't they just put up a sign like "NO PENISES ALLOWED IN SPA AREA" and be done with it?

Kinda like the no shoes, no shirt, no service thing. There isn't anyone bitching about how they identify not to wear a shirt and still demand service because they're being discriminated against.

Support against discrimination should definitely be a thing, but making every fucking thing discriminatory is pretty fucking stupid, and does more to fuel hate towards equality than work for it. Stupid minded people.

[GS8]

The beautiful thing about capitalism is if you don't like a place, you go somewhere that will satisfy you. You don't bend and contort every business to fit your very narrow set of beliefs.

[MrPhreak]

So where is the men's rights groups on this... single sex facility? That is male discrimination!

I actually think it is pretty reasonable to have a no male genitalia policy in this case

It is starting to be a question of how many rights do men and women have to give up to ensure that the LBGTQ community feels welcome.

For example, there was a person working for a company that my friend was at who used to be a male... and decided to embrace his female side. Nobody took issue with that, people need to do what they need to do to be happy. However, that year... she entered the ladies golf driving competition, and won by a bloody mile. Gee... what a surprise. Every year since... she wins the ladies golf driving competition. At what point is it appropriate to acknowledge that maybe that isn't fair to all of the other women? I mean, they created a ladies competition, specifically because the genetics of men allow them to dominate it otherwise.

I don't know, it is hard to be politically correct here... but, my underlying belief is that your own rights stop when they start to infringe on the rights of others.

[Manic!]

The beautiful thing about capitalism is if you don't like a place, you go somewhere that will satisfy you. You don't bend and contort every business to fit your very narrow set of beliefs.

That worked out great for Dr.Charles R. Drew.

Google him up.

[Great68]

It is starting to be a question of how many rights do men and women have to give up to ensure that the LBGTQ community feels welcome.


Overall I get what you're trying to say, except with that statement you're saying that LGBTQ people have less rights because heterosexual men & women have to "give up" rights for the LGBTQ community.
Why should they inherently get less rights simply because they were born with a dick but their brain thinks like they have a pussy?

I'm a fan of LGTBQ people having as full "rights" as anyone. Who knows maybe in the future people will think it's perfectly normal to have dicks at the spa, but we're not there yet and so it also takes some common sense on their part.
Such as the golf example. If that person can't understand, using plain science about human physiology how it looks for a former man to compete in a women's event, than that's pretty selfish too.

[inv4zn]

Sports is an area where this comes into play a lot.

If I, as someone born with a dick, declare myself a woman/trans, and compete in weightlifting with other women born without dicks, I'm pretty sure I have an advantage. But the women born without dicks can't bring up this unfairness because it's politically incorrect, and my feelings may be hurt.

Equality for all is great, but if you born with a dick, physically, you're a guy. Stay the fuck out of the pussy-only spa, and go somewhere else instead of screaming discrimination and prejudice.

Also, there really should be a transgender olympics. That would be entertaining as fuck because you'd never know what's gonna happen. A bearded 250lb woman named Kevin competing with a 90lb man who sashays when s/he walk and talk with a huge lisp? Fuck yes.

[Jmac]

This is getting ridiculous.

[MrPhreak]

Overall I get what you're trying to say, except with that statement you're saying that LGBTQ people have less rights because heterosexual men & women have to "give up" rights for the LGBTQ community.
Why should they inherently get less rights simply because they were born with a dick but their brain thinks like they have a pussy?

I'm a fan of LGTBQ people having as full "rights" as anyone. Who knows maybe in the future people will think it's perfectly normal to have dicks at the spa, but we're not there yet and so it also takes some common sense on their part.
Such as the golf example. If that person can't understand, using plain science about human physiology how it looks for a former man to compete in a women's event, than that's pretty selfish too.

Yeah I agree with your post quite a bit

With my statement, I was more talking about rights in things like sports or gender specific areas. In the case of this story, you have one side that is adamant that they have the right to go into a women's spa with their cock and balls swinging around because they are a women on the inside and have the right to be recognized as such. Now I don't disagree with the sentiment, however I also think we have to recognize that women too should have the right to feel comfortable in a setting such as a nude spa where people with male genitalia may infringe on that right.

So it really does come down to who's rights trump the other

In the case of this story, I feel pretty strongly that the spa is gender specific by design and intentionally caters to creating an atmosphere where women can feel safe, and that introducing members with male genitalia is infringing on that.

I mean a good way to look at this is, it isn't just the LGBTQ community that is being barred from this facility, it is men as well... so discrimination against gender is actually part of the spa philosophy.


The golf story is one where I find it hard to pick a side, which is why I like to bring it up occasionally. On one hand, you have somebody that identifies as a woman and they should have the right to be recognized as one. On the other hand, you have a ladies division, which was no doubt a hard fought accomplishment for women's rights. These divisions allow women to compete fairly against one another, and greatly encourage participation in otherwise male dominated sports. When you introduce a women, that has the genetic body of a man and unfairly dominates as a result, it undermines the entire purpose of the ladies division in the first place.

[underscore]

If you are vegetation, it's understandable that a restaurant should have a dish or two that can accommodate you. If you're in a wheel chair, it's reasonable that a taxi service should have a few vehicles that can still take you. If you can't handle alchohol, it's reasonable to assume a bar should have some soda's or virgin cocktails.

Although it's nice if they do those things, no private business should be required to cater to everyone. I wouldn't go to a vegan restaurant and demand to be served meat. I wouldn't book a trip on a singles cruise and then complain about all the guys that were hitting on my wife. A specialty business should be able to exist without it being a direct attack on anyone that isn't their target market.

[DragonChi]

^ The spa could always setup a closet and say it's for LGTBBQWTF's

I agree with the majority here, it's pretty clear that this outrage is stupid.

[Ch28]

I have gay co-workers that are perfectly awesome people to hang out with, so I have no issues with the LGBTQ community. Like men and women, they also need to have a set of rights like Great68 mentioned above.

I do, however, think that our society has gotten to the point where everything has to be so politically correct when it comes to the rights of the gay community.

The spa clearly advertises as a female only spa with no male genitalia, and while transgendered females are female, if they possess male genitals then it's the spas right to decline service and entry.

You don't see men complaining about women's only or women complaining about men's only clubs. It's just accepted that they're private areas for that specified gender.

[HKS PWR]

Reminds me of the bit about pronouns Dave Chappelle did in his special for Netflix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-80ax3sEI4

[teggy604]

I don't think the transgender woman has any choice to go anywhere else? She not going to go to a male only nude spa (just because she has a penis) if there is such thing in Toronto... yet she is not allowed to go into a female only nude spa. Time to do the banana split.

[N.V.M.]

You don't see men complaining about women's only or women complaining about men's only clubs. It's just accepted that they're private areas for that specified gender.

not true at all. its a big issue in golf country clubs.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-05-20/men-only-golf-club-was-just-banned-hosting-british-open

huge criticism forced Augusta National to let women join only a couple of years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/aug/20/augusta-national-women-members-golf

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah, I don't know if I want my mom or sister to see a dick waddling in front of them.
That's not how pregnancy works you know Kappa

That brings up the main issue here, that somehow seeing genitalia of the other gender (even if it's on someone who lives as the same gender as you) is offensive somehow. Like all of a sudden if you see pussy, pussy, pussy, dick, pussy, your day is suddenly ruined.

[MrPhreak]

That's not how pregnancy works you know Kappa

That brings up the main issue here, that somehow seeing genitalia of the other gender (even if it's on someone who lives as the same gender as you) is offensive somehow. Like all of a sudden if you see pussy, pussy, pussy, dick, pussy, your day is suddenly ruined.

I would say that I run into a bunch of old guys on the street wagging around gross old man dicks, my day is potentially ruined

Then again, if I run into a bunch of bare breasted university girls, it has the opposite effect

[Bouncing Bettys]

OMG!!!! it's the golden shower girl.
Humour from a physical assault with bodily fluids? What would your insulting name for her be if she had contracted HIV or Hepatitis? Or if in the next assault (there have been two now), the bottle contains acid? In each assault, Lauren was conducting interviews as a reporter/engaging in civil debate. Do you condone acts of violence towards people using non-threatening speech you disagree with?
Not sure if the human race is progressing or regressing....
Manic may have answered that for you.

As a father, I am often confronted with gender issues when public washrooms come up as there are few Family washrooms available. It is less acceptable for me to take my daughter into the women's bathroom, so I take her into the men's (which is often much less clean and she can't seem to stop touching everything in there). With my son, who is still in diapers, there are few change tables available in mens washrooms. My options are to use the women's washroom and hope no one comes in, or change him out in public on a bench or in the trunk of the car. Society hasn't provided me and all fathers, with the best options, but I make do, I adapt, as have all the fathers before me in history.

[Great68]

I would say that I run into a bunch of old guys on the street wagging around gross old man dicks, my day is potentially ruined


I don't get why anyone would get so bothered? Old man dick or porn star dick, like who cares? it's a dick, you have one too, it's not something you haven't seen before. Why is it such a big deal.

If I was in that scenario I'd be like "Well that was weird" and move on. I certainly wouldn't be upset about it.

[320icar]

^^ you prove our point. Old man dick, porn star dick, tranny dick, it's all dick. So sorry you don't fit into their pre established rules

[SkinnyPupp]

I would say that I run into a bunch of old guys on the street wagging around gross old man dicks, my day is potentially ruined

Then again, if I run into a bunch of bare breasted university girls, it has the opposite effect
This isn't out on the street though, this is at a spa where everyone can be nude if they want.

What makes it extra ridiculous is that the rule isn't even against men (which would be acceptable) but against male genitalia. As if the genitalia itself poses a threat.

[Manic!]

This isn't out on the street though, this is at a spa where everyone can be nude if they want.

What makes it extra ridiculous is that the rule isn't even against men (which would be acceptable) but against male genitalia. As if the genitalia itself poses a threat.

This is place where there are little girls. Do you really want to explain to a 5 year old why that women has a weenier?

[MarkyMark]

Why is a 5 year old going to a nude spa anyways?

[Bouncing Bettys]

Gender segregated public nudity institutions should be for adults while families should go to their own facilities. Most adults don't want to be around kids anyways.

[Manic!]

Why is a 5 year old going to a nude spa anyways?

It's women only not adult only. Minors do go to the spa.

If you have a dick your a man plain and simple. But what I don't understand is the husband tried to book over the phone. Did he tell them over the phone that his wife had a dick?




Found this review of the spa.

This spa is like an indoor Scandinavian spa.
We travelled as a group and appreciated the fact that we could talk in a hush tone. I know spa's are supposed to be silent and relaxing also and can appreciate those who prefer no talking.
We knew going that clothing was optional but didn't fully expect to experience. We all own the same parts and that's great and all but for my group having some strange women come sit next to me fully nude was awkward. In the Sauna there was actually a fully nude lady with her legs up in the air...little too much for my comfort level. I can understand topless especially for those who endure shoulder and back pain but i think bottoms should be required....little nasty to think you are soaking in the same water that someone has everything spreading free in.
We did go just for the water circuit and enjoyed that process. 2.5hrs was more then enough time to get our fill in.
Would come again if I knew bottoms were required so no little hairs are floating free where you are relaxing. :)

[MarkyMark]

It's women only not adult only. Minors do go to the spa.

If you have a dick your a man plain and simple. But what I don't understand is the husband tried to book over the phone. Did he tell them over the phone that his wife had a dick?




Found this review of the spa.

I get that it's women only, but if they are worried about the children then take them to a clothing required spa.

[twitchyzero]

this is a tough one

I fully understand why other unclothed female patrons would be extremely uncomfortable with balls & peen sitting right next time then when you're supposed to be in a calm, relaxed setting. I'm more on this side of the argument.

but where do we draw the line of being comfortable? I'm sure 'white' passengers in the 50s were uncomfortable with sitting next to 'black' passengers on a bus.

[MrPhreak]

I don't get why anyone would get so bothered? Old man dick or porn star dick, like who cares? it's a dick, you have one too, it's not something you haven't seen before. Why is it such a big deal.

If I was in that scenario I'd be like "Well that was weird" and move on. I certainly wouldn't be upset about it.

I see, so in this story below... the appropriate response would be for the girls to say "well that was weird" and move on? It is just dick right? Why is it such a big deal?

Police seek man who exposed himself to 2 young girls - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/police-seek-man-who-exposed-himself-to-2-young-girls-1.2603251)

[Manic!]

I get that it's women only, but if they are worried about the children then take them to a clothing required spa.

The whole point of going to a women's only spa is so you don't have to be worried.

[MarkyMark]

The whole point of going to a women's only spa is so you don't have to be worried.

It might be a good lesson in teaching your child how to mind their own business. I'm assuming that the person with a dick isn't going to put their foot on the bench and pose like Captain Morgan with a kid right in front of them.

[fliptuner]

It might be a good lesson in teaching your child how to mind their own business. I'm assuming that the person with a dick isn't going to put their foot on the bench and pose like Captain Morgan with a kid right in front of them.

And when they do cause they can...?

[Manic!]

It might be a good lesson in teaching your child how to mind their own business. I'm assuming that the person with a dick isn't going to put their foot on the bench and pose like Captain Morgan with a kid right in front of them.

From a review of the spa.

In the Sauna there was actually a fully nude lady with her legs up in the air...little too much for my comfort level

[Armind]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU6izjo9Lps

[MarkyMark]

And when they do cause they can...?

If they are doing something inappropriate then report them.

From a review of the spa.

They went to a nude spa and are complaining that a lady was being too nude for them.

I've seen some nasty fucking bodies in the locker room of my gym before, and I just look away, it doesn't ruin my day.

[Manic!]

If they are doing something inappropriate then report them.


You are missing the point. Some people don't want to see a mans dick.

[stewie]

I think gender based clubs or programs are becoming a joke.

Women are allowed to play on mens sports leagues but god forbid if a guy attempts to join the female league. I've had it before. 1 girl refuses to play with the other girls and demands to play with the boys and all of a sudden the locker room now has to become woman friendly. No acting around, make sure you don't accidentally glance at her while she sits on the bench staring at everyone like shes an outcast and don't let her see you naked or horsing around as it may offend her. Women can join boy scouts but no way is a guy ever allowed to join the girl guides. Women can have womens only gyms for those self conscious women who don't want to be eye fucked by every guy at the gym yet they work out in skin tight pants and a sports bra uploading a photo on instagram showing off their massive gains and abs. Meanwhile the self conscious 300lb fat guy covered in sweat struggling to complete 20 minutes on a treadmill has 2 women whispering to each other across the room making comments about how fat he is and it looks like he's going to have a jammer.

If they want a womens only spa, go for it. Just don't let the feminists whine and complain when something opens up that's mens only.

[Manic!]

Australian trans weightlifter destroys competition.

Laurel Hubbard, transgender athlete, crushes female competition in Australian weightlifting event - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/21/laurel-hubbard-transgender-athlete-crushes-female-/)

[Bouncing Bettys]

You are missing the point. Some people don't want to see a mans dick.
Pssst...the people who go to a clothing optional public place wanting to see other people's genitals are the perverts.

If you are there to use the facility for its intended purpose, it shouldn't matter who or what is sitting next to you. Not being able to handle that, suggests someone with a very unhealthy view of their body and the body of others. Next we will have No Fatties Allowed spas.

[ZN6]

God damn, don't wanna risk politically-correctly offending someone by saying it? Just have your patrons sign a waiver that they don't sport a dick between the legs and have the rules set out in writing. They sign and agree and if they break that agreement for any reason (like not disclosing that you have a dick when you actually have one) kick them out. The spa is private property, if you don't wanna sign the waiver to use the private property, GTFO. Cool, now everything is unambiguous and agreed upon.

Beating around the bush and being unclear about intended purpose is something I have no patience for.

inb4 "DID YOU JUST ASSUME MY GENDER?!"

[MarkyMark]

The only people I know that choose to go to a clothing optional establishment are the kind of people who don't care if it's a man or woman naked. The rest just go to a bathing suit mandatory place.

But yeah, I'm sure allowing someone with a dick in would mean helicopters and teabagging just left right and center.

[will068]

It's sucks for the transgendered female because she can't go to a spa for women and transgendered women.

Then again, this is a business opportunity - to have transgendered women-friendly female-only spa.

[SkunkWorks]

If they want a womens only spa, go for it. Just don't let the feminists whine and complain when something opens up that's mens only.

Hmm, RS seems to work okay with this current setup.

[Manic!]

Pssst...the people who go to a clothing optional public place wanting to see other people's genitals are the perverts.

If you are there to use the facility for its intended purpose, it shouldn't matter who or what is sitting next to you. Not being able to handle that, suggests someone with a very unhealthy view of their body and the body of others. Next we will have No Fatties Allowed spas.


The only people I know that choose to go to a clothing optional establishment are the kind of people who don't care if it's a man or woman naked. The rest just go to a bathing suit mandatory place.

But yeah, I'm sure allowing someone with a dick in would mean helicopters and teabagging just left right and center.


Again this is a place for ladies and girls of any age. It's the same as going to a public pool. A place that has separate rooms for males and females.

[MarkyMark]

Again this is a place for ladies and girls of any age. It's the same as going to a public pool. A place that has separate rooms for males and females.

Yeah well what do you think is going to happen at public pools? Transgendered people will be going into the change rooms they identify as.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Most public pools provide family change rooms to avoid having the mother/father or daughter/son change in the wrong room in order to change together or to leave their child unattended to change on their own with strangers.

[twitchyzero]

Women can join boy scouts but no way is a guy ever allowed to join the girl guides. Women can have womens only gyms for those self conscious women who don't want to be eye fucked by every guy at the gym yet they work out in skin tight pants and a sports bra uploading a photo on instagram showing off their massive gains and abs.

I think that policy changed last year...girl guides are now open to anyone who identifies themself as a girl.

so if someone is wearing tights while working out they should be comfortable getting eye fucked?

[danned]

https://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-photo-surprised-shocked-woman-lying-in-a-bed-looking-scared-to-men-s-genital-433244926.jpg

[stewie]

I think that policy changed last year...girl guides are now open to anyone who identifies themself as a girl.

so if someone is wearing tights while working out they should be comfortable getting eye fucked?

No. Not at all. There's women who are there to actually work out who can be overweight and are comfortable wearing tights knowing that there's going to be the odd person who looks at her and thinks to himself 'fat pig's and then there's the women who are there solely for their snapchat/Instagram/facebook albums. They dress to impress while on a treadmill walking for 15 minutes or use 2.5lb weights while making it look like they're struggling. Asking for a spotter while they lay on a bench pressing pink 12lb dumbbells. Isn't it amazing how they'll only ask for a spotter from a jacked guy? I'm pretty sure a 7 year old could spot the girl just as well as the 140lb 21 year old with acne could. But if the 21 year old were to do it they're just hitting on her wanting to check out her chest close up. It's sad but unfortunately I personally know women who do it and they do it for the attention but when its attention from guys they don't want they scream and pout saying they're not objects to just look at. They want the 6'4 muscle jockey to talk to them and once they got his attention they start doing the yoga poses in the middle of the room to show themselves off.

If those women feel uncomfortable getting eye fucked maybe they should reevaluate where is and where isn't the best place to try and pick up guys.

[SkinnyPupp]

This is place where there are little girls. Do you really want to explain to a 5 year old why that women has a weenier?
Yes, that way we'd potentially have one less ignorant judgemental person living on this planet.

[Manic!]

Yes, that way we'd potentially have one less ignorant judgemental person living on this planet.

Are you serious?

[SkinnyPupp]

Are you serious?
About what? Wanting everyone to acknowledge and accept people who are different from you? Yes. The world will be a better place once everyone thinks like that.

Are YOU serious when you say "If you have a dick your (sic) a man plain and simple"? Because it probably isn't that "plain" or "simple"

[N.V.M.]

fact. it is simple 99.99% of the time.

[SkinnyPupp]

Yup, not 100%

And things are always "simple" if you're part of the 99%

[Great68]

Yup, not 100%

And things are always "simple" if you're part of the 99%

It's really not that simple.

I recently watched a program by the BBC called "The 9 months that made you". It talks about the complexities of human development in the womb, and shares the stories of people born with unexpected differences (I won't say abnormalities, because the show really makes you question what you define as "Normal").

One of the stories is about a village in the Dominican Republic where just over 1% of the children there are born without genitals, which don't grow in until around adolescence (around 12 years old).
These children are raised as girls until such time as their penis grows and testicles decend. At that point, they are considered male. This seems like a normal no big deal to their society, they're just accepting of the child being raised and treated as a girl as they are treating that person as a male when the change occurs, probably because it's somewhat common.


This show is what really made me re-evaluate my own views on the whole gender issues. It's fascinating stuff. Maybe there's hope for our society to get to that point.

Here's some links for those interested:

In this remote village, some boys don?t grow a penis until they?re 12 - ScienceAlert (http://www.sciencealert.com/in-a-remote-town-in-the-dominican-republic-some-girls-turn-into-boys)

Watch Full Episodes Online of 9 Months That Made You on PBS (http://www.pbs.org/show/9-months-made-you/)

[Great68]

I see, so in this story below... the appropriate response would be for the girls to say "well that was weird" and move on? It is just dick right? Why is it such a big deal?

Police seek man who exposed himself to 2 young girls - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/police-seek-man-who-exposed-himself-to-2-young-girls-1.2603251)

You're stretching beyond the context of this discussion by bringing in elements of unwanted sexual assault.

How about if the girls decided to go down to wreck beach?
How would you teach them to react when they see dicks down there?
How would YOU react if they had come home and said "We saw penises at the beach Dad!"

[MrPhreak]

You're stretching beyond the context of this discussion by bringing in elements of unwanted sexual assault.

How about if the girls decided to go down to wreck beach?
How would you teach them to react when they see dicks down there?
How would YOU react if they had come home and said "We saw penises at the beach Dad!"

Ahhh, I see. So you are saying that if we enter an environment where we expect to see certain forms of nudity, then of it is ok? Glad we are getting away from the black and white "It's just a dick, what is the bid deal" mentality. I certainly can agree with that.

For instance, folks going to a nude beach and seeing other nude beach goers, or women go to a nude women's only spa and seeing other naked women... totally appropriate. On the other hand, flashing your junk unexpectedly in parks, at other beaches, or professional environments is still in the realm of indecent.

Now if we take this a step further... if women go to a women's only spa and then are exposed to male genitalia (which would be totally unexpected), wouldn't that fall under the category of indecent?

What this really comes down to is deeming where, and what kind of nudity is appropriate. In a women's spa, it isn't appropriate to have members exposing male genitalia. It is literally a business concept for creating an environment built around limiting exposure to women only.

[320icar]

I think indecent would also have to come with a bit of malice, but if a trans woman just wanted to enjoy a nude spa, I'd say it's innapropriate but not indecent.



How much more convoluted can we make this discussion?

[DragonChi]

At first I was taken a back from having a coed facility, but now that I think about it, it's not all that bad. The introduction would desensitize the sexual connotation that comes with being naked. It'd be a step in the right direction IMO.

Did a bit of research and found this article.
deadspin-quote-carrot-aligned-w-bgr-2 (http://jezebel.com/5431431/on-coed-bathrooms-and-showering-with-guys)

Until then, if you got a dick, I'd say find another spa that's not women only.

[SkinnyPupp]

At first I was taken a back from having a coed facility, but now that I think about it, it's not all that bad. The introduction would desensitize the sexual connotation that comes with being naked. It'd be a step in the right direction IMO.

Did a bit of research and found this article.
deadspin-quote-carrot-aligned-w-bgr-2 (http://jezebel.com/5431431/on-coed-bathrooms-and-showering-with-guys)

Until then, if you got a dick, I'd say find another spa that's not women only.
I wonder what would be more uncomfortable, being a woman at a women's only spa and seeing a trans woman naked sitting there with a penis tucked between their legs.

Or being a trans woman at a male only spa, trying to relax while everyone around you is a dude

I couldn't answer that myself, but it may be something to consider before telling someone they should "find another place" to go

I agree that there should be more co-ed places, and try to get rid of the remaining puritanical ideals that are part of western culture.

[DragonChi]

If there was only a trans women on this site, we'd have our answers. :)

Could the question then be framed as, the sacrifice of comfort for an individual vs. the sacrifice of comfort for many.

Does this issue come up in countries where there are bath houses?

Actually, Texas just put up a new bill, it's not getting much traction but it's started a debate:
https://www.engadget.com/2017/05/29/apple-facebook-and-google-condemn-texas-transgender-bill/

[Euro7r]

Growing up in the 80s/90s, I personally never seen this same sex/gay/lesbian etc stuff happening. Either you were born as boy with a dick or a girl with a pussy and everyone got along. As kids I remembered, we used the word "gay" a lot, but that was out of context when used, such as, why are you eating that food, that's gay. Kids being kids, that time.

Now so much happening with boy with dick wanting identify to themselves as female or other way around. I don't know what has changed since then...Maybe I have been hiding under a rock....

[SkinnyPupp]

Growing up in the 80s/90s, I personally never seen this same sex/gay/lesbian etc stuff happening. Either you were born as boy with a dick or a girl with a pussy and everyone got along. As kids I remembered, we used the word "gay" a lot, but that was out of context when used, such as, why are you eating that food, that's gay. Kids being kids, that time.

Now so much happening with boy with dick wanting identify to themselves as female or other way around. I don't know what has changed since then...Maybe I have been hiding under a rock....
Being ignorant does not mean things "never happened"

[Manic!]

I wonder what would be more uncomfortable, being a woman at a women's only spa and seeing a trans woman naked sitting there with a penis tucked between their legs.

Or being a trans woman at a male only spa, trying to relax while everyone around you is a dude

I couldn't answer that myself, but it may be something to consider before telling someone they should "find another place" to go

I agree that there should be more co-ed places, and try to get rid of the remaining puritanical ideals that are part of western culture.

A trans person could you know just go to a regular day spa in Toronto like one of the 18 listed here: https://www.google.ca/search?q=toronto+day+spa&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=DT5DWaGoH4fhjAOjo4vwDw#q=toronto+day+spa&rflfq=1&rlha=0&rllag=43657971,-79390082,1578&tbm=lcl&tbs=lrf:!2m1!1e2!2m1!1e3!3sEAE,lf:1,lf_ui:2&rlfi=hd:;si:,43.78794976806043,-79.64092254638672;mv:!1m3!1d51949.2046380264!2d-79.5123728713379!3d43.736926564767465!3m2!1i1500!2 i865!4f13.1;tbs:lrf:!2m1!1e2!2m1!1e3!3sEAE,lf:1,lf _ui:2

[Blueboy222]

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[underscore]

I wonder what would be more uncomfortable, being a woman at a women's only spa and seeing a trans woman naked sitting there with a penis tucked between their legs.

Or being a trans woman at a male only spa, trying to relax while everyone around you is a dude

I couldn't answer that myself, but it may be something to consider before telling someone they should "find another place" to go

I agree that there should be more co-ed places, and try to get rid of the remaining puritanical ideals that are part of western culture.

I didn't look into it much, but a quick Google came up with multiple co-ed spas in Toronto.

[Manic!]

I didn't look into it much, but a quick Google came up with multiple co-ed spas in Toronto.

Like I posted before there are 18 plus spa's she could have gone to.

[twitchyzero]

there's the women who are there solely for their snapchat/Instagram/facebook albums. They dress to impress while on a treadmill walking for 15 minutes or use 2.5lb weights while making it look like they're struggling. Asking for a spotter while they lay on a bench pressing pink 12lb dumbbells. Isn't it amazing how they'll only ask for a spotter from a jacked guy? I'm pretty sure a 7 year old could spot the girl just as well as the 140lb 21 year old with acne could. But if the 21 year old were to do it they're just hitting on her wanting to check out her chest close up. It's sad but unfortunately I personally know women who do it and they do it for the attention but when its attention from guys they don't want they scream and pout saying they're not objects to just look at. They want the 6'4 muscle jockey to talk to them and once they got his attention they start doing the yoga poses in the middle of the room to show themselves off.


looks like I've been going to the wrong gym :ifyouknow:

just seems odd to pay a fair bit for a decent gym to try and get picked up/get attention/take mirror selfies if there's no intent to even get fit in the process/as a bonus