[Durrann]

I just got a letter for this.
Did anyone else get this? No warnings or whatsoever.


Winter woes return for hundreds of Vancouverites facing potential fines for not clearing sidewalks - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/winter-woes-return-for-hundreds-of-vancouverites-facing-potential-fines-for-not-clearing-sidewalks-1.4154960)

[quasi]

Did you shovel your sidewalk or is it without merit?

[Durrann]

Yea I shoveled before work but I guess there was so much snow it just blanketed the sidewalks again.

[quasi]

That's kind of fucked up then, I would have thought they only went after people who let it pile up and never did anything about it.

[Durrann]

yeah I know eh I guess I should fight it then

[Manic!]

Is the city low on money or something?

[gilly]

how much was your fine?

[flagella]

The salt wasn't even adequately stocked up and every snow shovel was sold out in every fucking store. Now the city is chasing after people? I don't know how they really assess the sidewalk and what criteria they use to issue fines, but I'm sure there are many in there who are like OP who shoveled in the morning, left for work, and the snow quickly piled up. Man, I won't miss this shit place when I leave.

[winson604]

The salt wasn't even adequately stocked up and every snow shovel was sold out in every fucking store. Now the city is chasing after people? I don't know how they really assess the sidewalk and what criteria they use to issue fines, but I'm sure there are many in there who are like OP who shoveled in the morning, left for work, and the snow quickly piled up. Man, I won't miss this shit place when I leave.

Maybe it's just me but I always hear the "supplies were sold out" excuse and it's pretty tiring to hear imo.

In terms of the fine, from what I understand (could be wrong) it's a 3 strike system. Something to the effect of Warning, warning, fine. I believe at least 2 of the 3 are done in person as well. Who knows though.

[k3mps]

Supplies were sold out = I didn't prepare adequately.

There are 365 days in a year to buy a shovel for "just in case" situations.

[Ch28]

The salt wasn't even adequately stocked up and every snow shovel was sold out in every fucking store. Now the city is chasing after people? I don't know how they really assess the sidewalk and what criteria they use to issue fines, but I'm sure there are many in there who are like OP who shoveled in the morning, left for work, and the snow quickly piled up. Man, I won't miss this shit place when I leave.

This is such a bullshit excuse every year.

"Shovels were sold out!" = Go buy one during spring, summer, and fall?

"City didn't have adequate salt available!" = Same as above. We have several bags of salt available in our storage, because we just pick some up when they're on sale.

People that complain about the stores running out of shovels and salt are just not prepared and are now using that as an excuse. They're most likely the same ones that never shovel their fucking sidewalk so it ends up turning into an ice rink

[Jmac]

Also, I doubt most people just started living at their current place of residence. It's not going to be El Nino every year.

Also, people are lucky they're only getting a fine from the city and not a lawsuit against their home insurance policy for someone breaking a hip due to their negligence.

[twitchyzero]

you guys realize there were basically no real snow that stuck on Vancouver streets for two winters straight prior right?

before you say it was in the forecast for few days prior...should've bought salt and shovels then

so it's okay for CoV to drop the ball plow major routes iby morning commuting hours for a snowstorm or 2 but they can come after residents 6 months later?

bylaw enforcement like this should give you a written warning first.

[winson604]

you guys realize there were basically no real snow that stuck on Vancouver streets for two winters straight prior right?

before you say it was in the forecast for few days prior...should've bought salt and shovels then

so it's okay for CoV to drop the ball plow major routes iby morning commuting hours for a snowstorm or 2 but they can come after residents 6 months later?

bylaw enforcement like this should give you a written warning first.

They do give warnings, whether people ignored it calling the City's bluff, threw out the mail or otherwise they didn't go straight to fines.

As for no snow that stuck 2 winters in a row. Are 100% of the population who use the supplies were sold out excuse all new residents to the City, Province, or heck this country for this matter? Or how often are people throwing out shovels? I've been using the same shovels for over 20 years.

[flagella]

This is such a bullshit excuse every year.

"Shovels were sold out!" = Go buy one during spring, summer, and fall?

"City didn't have adequate salt available!" = Same as above. We have several bags of salt available in our storage, because we just pick some up when they're on sale.

People that complain about the stores running out of shovels and salt are just not prepared and are now using that as an excuse. They're most likely the same ones that never shovel their fucking sidewalk so it ends up turning into an ice rink

Alright Mr. Perfect. The guy is an expert Vancouverite who stocks up salt in warm seasons. Give him a round of applause.

The reality is it isn't unreasonable to expect the stores to carry these supplies when snow hits. Since you had all your supplies, were you even aware of how poorly every store was stocked up? There were no shovels for at least a month in every store :rofl:. Nothing on used market either. If you are working, good luck ever scoring one because you better have a servant lining up for you when they stock up during weekdays. You could get hit with several warnings within a week as you wait for the inventory to be stocked up. Now, people should just borrow their neighbor's when they can't find one, but I understand not every person is willing to approach. It's their fault for not doing so? Sure, but I won't trash them because they didn't.

Purchasing winter tires in October and start putting them on in early November is normal amount of planning. Expecting people to stock up salts in spring and summer? Dude, good luck. Whatever high standard you have there, that simply isn't reflection of the reality and I don't think people should get fined for not stocking up salts months in advance. If the city is so fucking anal about safety, why not start putting a check at intersections to see if every car is equipped with snow tires? Because driving in a severe winter condition in all season / summer tires are way more dangerous and likely to kill more ppl than some idiot fucking slipping on a side walk fracturing his hips :lol.

[unit]

i think it's silly that you guys are blaming people for not being prepared for this. it's not reasonable to expect others to stock more than a bag or two of salt from the off season. This year you definitely needed a lot more than that, since it snowed and iced over like 3 seperate times.

[winson604]

I think for some a combination of no experience or stupidity depending on who you ask and calling bluff on mother nature hurt people. Oh snow fall they said, yup we've heard that before and it turned out to be Nothing. Even just 3 months earlier we had warnings of the storm of the century coming yet it barely rained. People call bullshit on weather all the time.

As for the in experience or stupidity Man, they need to do shoveling and salting 101 at the beginning of every winter. It's crazy how I see some people wait too long to shovel when the bottom has already iced over or how people just throw like half a bag on the sidewalk or even worse unshovelled snow as if salt was some magically substance that would just wipe it all away.

If anything I really hope this last winter was a wake up call and that people at least gained a little knowledge

[Manic!]

Alright Mr. Perfect. The guy is an expert Vancouverite who stocks up salt in warm seasons. Give him a round of applause.

The reality is it isn't unreasonable to expect the stores to carry these supplies when snow hits. Since you had all your supplies, were you even aware of how poorly every store was stocked up? There were no shovels for at least a month in every store :rofl:. Nothing on used market either. If you are working, good luck ever scoring one because you better have a servant lining up for you when they stock up during weekdays. You could get hit with several warnings within a week as you wait for the inventory to be stocked up. Now, people should just borrow their neighbor's when they can't find one, but I understand not every person is willing to approach. It's their fault for not doing so? Sure, but I won't trash them because they didn't.

Purchasing winter tires in October and start putting them on in early November is normal amount of planning. Expecting people to stock up salts in spring and summer? Dude, good luck. Whatever high standard you have there, that simply isn't reflection of the reality and I don't think people should get fined for not stocking up salts months in advance. If the city is so fucking anal about safety, why not start putting a check at intersections to see if every car is equipped with snow tires? Because driving in a severe winter condition in all season / summer tires are way more dangerous and likely to kill more ppl than some idiot fucking slipping on a side walk fracturing his hips :lol.

It is unreasonable. For the years it does not snow the salt just takes up space costing stores money. For 2 plus years we had about 20 bags of salt that where kept in a shed. Snow hits we sell all of them in less then 2 days. Making $100 after storing it for 2 plus years is not a great return on investment.

[320icar]

You live in Canada, guess what it does a fair bit of? SNOW! If you have enough space for a lawn mower or shit in a 5000sqft Richmond China-box, you damn well have enough room to buy ONE shovel and a bag of salt.

Jesus Christ you people are dumb. You are the kind of person who goes camping and doesn't bring newspaper to light the fire, or only bring a hatchet

[Durrann]

how much was your fine?

there was no fine. I got summoned to show up in court in August.
fucked up.
nobody got time for that.

[underscore]

The reality is it isn't unreasonable to expect the stores to carry these supplies when snow hits. Since you had all your supplies, were you even aware of how poorly every store was stocked up? There were no shovels for at least a month in every store :rofl:. Nothing on used market either.

The reality is you live in fucking Canada, don't blame the stores because you were too stupid to realize that in the winter it can snow. Is it really that hard to keep a dinky little shovel tucked in a closet? You say they were poorly stocked up yet they had shovels and you didn't, take some responsibility for your own failures and be better prepared in the future.

[RRxtar]

Not being prepared and not understanding the consequences is not an excuse. If no one could get salt or shovels, I'd be on your side. But enough people were able to prepare that those who didn't are the ones to blame. Take it as a lesson learned about taking responsibility and being proactive for life, not reactive to already ongoing situations.

If it was January and you needed to drive the coquihalla tonight and you couldn't get snow tires put on today, and drove off the road on summer tires, would that be the governments fault, the tire shops fault, or your own fault?

[winson604]

Granted everyone's situation is different so I won't paint everyone with the same brush. With that said, I personally don't find it unreasonable for anyone who owns a single family home to have room to store 1 shovel and at least 1 bag of salt. I can honestly say that with my father in law and I timely shoveling that we were able to keep our sidewalk, walkways, and driveway very clear all winter and used less than the 1 bag of 10lb salt we had. In fact I think we used half a bag at most.

Again, everyone is different. Some new to the country and just don't know what winter is, some old and incapable with no help, some lazy, and some just dumb.

Some people will need to learn from this and quite frankly some people will need to own up for being called out and those people know who they are. Talking about this makes my blood boil that my neighbour a very capable couple in their 40s refused to shovel their sidewalks and only shoveled their own driveway which connects to the street only when it was convienent because they needed to go out for a christmas party. Of course then they shoveled only just enough for their car to get out. While their father who still lives there, old as fuck was shovelling every year with some help from my mother in law but was unable to this year because of a medical issue. God I hope they got fined.

[unit]

"you live in Canada"

so do we all live in igloos here or did some of us forget that we live in a temperate rainforest here in Vancouver, where it snows "seriously" about every 10 years?

Winston: 1 bag of salt is gone after the second day. my business used like 20 bags of salt and it wasn't enough, we ran out too. we usually stock about 5 bags and that's enough. if it's not, we can normally just go to Walmart and buy 5 more in the middle of winter. this year was different.

[flagella]

The reality is you live in fucking Canada, don't blame the stores because you were too stupid to realize that in the winter it can snow. Is it really that hard to keep a dinky little shovel tucked in a closet? You say they were poorly stocked up yet they had shovels and you didn't, take some responsibility for your own failures and be better prepared in the future.

Lol, look how you managed to become a little annoying whiny shit rat. Direct your hatred towards all the immigrants the country is taking, or accept these people because no one comes to this city with the mildest weather in the country prepared for a fucking snowstorm. Get prepared for things to get worse because of all the more immigrants the city is accepting. Learn to accept human nature and lower your expectation. People still can't fucking drive in the rain in this city year after year and you expect every household to have salts stocked up for a major snowstorm? If this pisses you off, boy you should consider leaving.

To those who are saying not being prepared is not an excuse, I'd say adjust your fucking expectation. The housing market in the city is one of the most active in the country, so there are tons of new home buyers. If you go nuts over these people who failed to stock up salt months in advance, I feel sorry for your life because I don't know how many other things drive you mental every fucking day.

[twitchyzero]

yeah we live in Canada...one of the warmest parts.

Wake up call, I doubt it

Translink will continue to be a disaster with Canada Line having hours of delays because it cant cross a bridge.

Streets will continue to be unplowed in time for morning commutes.

We simply lack the infrastructure and resources for how little of snow we get. I don't see significantly more supply of salt and shovels in store for next winter either.

[GS8]

This thread went from snow clearing to immigration

:fulloffuck:

[winson604]

"you live in Canada"

so do we all live in igloos here or did some of us forget that we live in a temperate rainforest here in Vancouver, where it snows "seriously" about every 10 years?

Winston: 1 bag of salt is gone after the second day. my business used like 20 bags of salt and it wasn't enough, we ran out too. we usually stock about 5 bags and that's enough. if it's not, we can normally just go to Walmart and buy 5 more in the middle of winter. this year was different.

Like I said, I'm not going to paint everyone with he same brush. Definitely, I believe there are a percentage of people who under their given circumstances even with trying would have been hard. Businesses of course I can only imagine the amount of salt required for say a parking lot. Sure, some would argue that your stock pile would be higher and while that may be true it also means you use them faster and restocking is in higher quantities too. Interesting to see how this all plays out.

[frozen]

Not being prepared and not understanding the consequences is not an excuse. If no one could get salt or shovels, I'd be on your side. But enough people were able to prepare that those who didn't are the ones to blame. Take it as a lesson learned about taking responsibility and being proactive for life, not reactive to already ongoing situations.

If it was January and you needed to drive the coquihalla tonight and you couldn't get snow tires put on today, and drove off the road on summer tires, would that be the governments fault, the tire shops fault, or your own fault?

Yea... this is one of those beautiful sentences that sounds right and easily thanked, but is completely empty given the circumstance the city was under. The snow tire example doesn't even apply in this scenario. People waited weeks for salt to get stocked up, and many still weren't able to purchase any.

[RRxtar]

I think a big problem that people faced was not shoveling their sidewalk, then trying to melt the 3" thick packed ice after with salt and blowing thru bags and bags of salt. It doesnt work that way. Shovel the sidewalk before people walk on it and keep it clear.

[meme405]

Based on the number of sidewalks I saw not cleared, and the amount of ice build up in front of people's houses and business'. And no, it wasn't build up after it had been cleared in the morning. It was build up across multiple storms.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that it's these people that got the summons, and based on that singular extrapolation, I hope you all get royally butt fucked with a $2000 fine.

It's okay no reason to go on in a BS thread about how you are all victims, I'm sure the city has pictures for every instance, just like parking officers take pictures of your car illegally parked, and your dashboard not displaying any parking tickets.

And seriously no shovels at stores? To own a house anywhere in Vancouver it costs upwards of a million dollars, you have that type of investment and you don't own a fucking $25 shovel? It doesnt even have to be a fancy $100 snow clearing shovel. A regular spade would have allowed you to clear a measily 33' of sidewalk adequately enough so atleast it shows you made a fucking effort. Hell I saw a guy with a baking pan taped to a hockey stick, and it appeared to be working pretty well for him.

Ya'll are just full of reasons why you couldn't do it. When you really didn't make any sort of effort. Did any of you walk over to your neighbors and ask to borrow their shovel? I know mine did, and I happily lent it to him. My other neighbor hired a company, and they came by multiple times a day and cleared his driveway and sidewalks when it was snowing hard.

[twitchyzero]

my previous posts were in no way trying to excuse people from shoveling their sidewalks

but can someone explain how non-parking bylaw enforcement works? Is it necessary to summon people to courts after 2 warnings and a case review? Seems like a gigantic waste of time and resources for something rather black and white.

the article quotes 10k+ warnings were dished out. E-mail? a letter? in-person?

If this was really about public safety, it would've been handled in a timely manner. Not 6 months later in the dog days of summer.

[320icar]

Based on the number of sidewalks I saw not cleared, and the amount of ice build up in front of people's houses and business'. And no, it wasn't build up after it had been cleared in the morning. It was build up across multiple storms.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that it's these people that got the summons, and based on that singular extrapolation, I hope you all get royally butt fucked with a $2000 fine.

It's okay no reason to go on in a BS thread about how you are all victims, I'm sure the city has pictures for every instance, just like parking officers take pictures of your car illegally parked, and your dashboard not displaying any parking tickets.

And seriously no shovels at stores? To own a house anywhere in Vancouver it costs upwards of a million dollars, you have that type of investment and you don't own a fucking $25 shovel? It doesnt even have to be a fancy $100 snow clearing shovel. A regular spade would have allowed you to clear a measily 33' of sidewalk adequately enough so atleast it shows you made a fucking effort. Hell I saw a guy with a baking pan taped to a hockey stick, and it appeared to be working pretty well for him.

Ya'll are just full of reasons why you couldn't do it. When you really didn't make any sort of effort. Did any of you walk over to your neighbors and ask to borrow their shovel? I know mine did, and I happily lent it to him. My other neighbor hired a company, and they came by multiple times a day and cleared his driveway and sidewalks when it was snowing hard.

Thank you so much, could never have said it better

[danned]

will this thread last to this winter?

[RRxtar]

will this thread last to this winter?
The better question is....

Will anyone have a shovel next winter? :considered:

[nah]

my previous posts were in no way trying to excuse people from shoveling their sidewalks

but can someone explain how non-parking bylaw enforcement works? Is it necessary to summon people to courts after 2 warnings and a case review? Seems like a gigantic waste of time and resources for something rather black and white.

the article quotes 10k+ warnings were dished out. E-mail? a letter? in-person?

If this was really about public safety, it would've been handled in a timely manner. Not 6 months later in the dog days of summer.

I bet everyone that got summoned will be shoveling the next time it snows in Vancouver. This is going to be a lesson learned situation and for once the city is doing something good for the betterment of everyone in the city.

[Manic!]

Guess what things that happen in Richmond also happen in the rest of Canada. Every place was out of salt. In Nanaimo a majority white town we sold 20 plus bags of salt in less than 2 days. Had tons of white people asking if we had more. Every store in town was out. This happens every time there is a big snow storm. It does not snow for a few years and people get complacent and then it hits and tons of people of every color are running around looking for salt and shovels.

[subordinate]

I think a big problem that people faced was not shoveling their sidewalk, then trying to melt the 3" thick packed ice after with salt and blowing thru bags and bags of salt. It doesnt work that way. Shovel the sidewalk before people walk on it and keep it clear.

I got off a graveyard shift and still shovel'ed my parent's house.

I hate excuses. They were lazy and the ice build up was a result and then said "I can shovel this". FailFishFailFishFailFishFailFish

[stewie]

my previous posts were in no way trying to excuse people from shoveling their sidewalks

but can someone explain how non-parking bylaw enforcement works? Is it necessary to summon people to courts after 2 warnings and a case review? Seems like a gigantic waste of time and resources for something rather black and white.

the article quotes 10k+ warnings were dished out. E-mail? a letter? in-person?

If this was really about public safety, it would've been handled in a timely manner. Not 6 months later in the dog days of summer.

I'm sure some of it could've been dealt with on the spot but if 10000 tickets were given out that would probably require lots and lots of paperwork and time. They probably wanted to wait until all of them were processed before mailing them out to make a statement that would make peoples eyes open up to how dangerous not shovelling your sidewalks can be.

The street my parents are on has maybe 20 houses and only 2 of them were always shoveled. My parents and a house half way down. One of the houses has large shrubs right beside the sidewalk and the weight of the snow made them lean over and block the pathway forcing people to walk into a very busy road. They let it sit like that for the entire length of time.

Even though they live in Burnaby in hope they were fined.

[Sentinel]

Some stores did have limited shovels/salt in stock during this past winter, its up to you to make the effort to check and to go get one. How hard is it to spend 2 mins of your day to open up your browser and see if Canadian Tire has some shovels in stock? They have in stock, then buy online and pick it up??

Granted that salt was a hot commodity and was gone instantly, but if people don't make the effort to try to get one, then why complain? Craigslist had people selling them, yes, some were overly priced. But if you need it that bad for your sidewalk.. Why not?

[underscore]

Lol, look how you managed to become a little annoying whiny shit rat. Direct your hatred towards all the immigrants the country is taking, or accept these people because no one comes to this city with the mildest weather in the country prepared for a fucking snowstorm. Get prepared for things to get worse because of all the more immigrants the city is accepting. Learn to accept human nature and lower your expectation. People still can't fucking drive in the rain in this city year after year and you expect every household to have salts stocked up for a major snowstorm? If this pisses you off, boy you should consider leaving.

To those who are saying not being prepared is not an excuse, I'd say adjust your fucking expectation. The housing market in the city is one of the most active in the country, so there are tons of new home buyers. If you go nuts over these people who failed to stock up salt months in advance, I feel sorry for your life because I don't know how many other things drive you mental every fucking day.

What the ever loving fuck are you talking about? I didn't say anything about salt, I said buy a goddamn shovel. If you use a shovel properly you shouldn't need much, if any, salt. Funny that you blame immigrants when immigrants in other cities figure out how snow works just fine, yet people that have lived in Vancouver for decades are clueless.

[Bouncing Bettys]

I recall posting about alternatives to shovels and salt, like using brooms and kitty litter. Growing up in Kamloops, with a very steep driveway, I never used salt because of its corrosive qualities. I didn't understand this frenzy over salt I was seeing and a little annoyed that my vehicles were at greater risk of salt damage.

[Manic!]

What the ever loving fuck are you talking about? I didn't say anything about salt, I said buy a goddamn shovel. If you use a shovel properly you shouldn't need much, if any, salt. Funny that you blame immigrants when immigrants in other cities figure out how snow works just fine, yet people that have lived in Vancouver for decades are clueless.

But white people who where born in raised in Canada can't even figure it out.

[320icar]

Yes you're right, idiots come in all races. Why the fuck is that even being mentioned?

[flagella]

What the ever loving fuck are you talking about? I didn't say anything about salt, I said buy a goddamn shovel. If you use a shovel properly you shouldn't need much, if any, salt. Funny that you blame immigrants when immigrants in other cities figure out how snow works just fine, yet people that have lived in Vancouver for decades are clueless.

LOL, you have your head stuck so deep in your ass. Where are you even pulling these general statements from? None of what you said is true. None.

[flagella]

Yes you're right, idiots come in all races. Why the fuck is that even being mentioned?

Fucking moron, this started with some retard named underscore screaming "This is Canada", whatever the fuck that means. I guess the fuckhead meant because this is Canada, better learn to prepare for snowstorm, which makes no sense because the moron is generalizing all cities when Vancouver's climate is rather different from many other cities in the country.

The point is, it's even difficult for the people who grew up here to prepare so many months in advance when you have only seen a few snowstorm as huge as what we had this past winter over the last decade. Some had snow shovels because you already purchased one from years ago, not because you foresaw what was coming and fucking bought one last spring/summer.

My question is, why the fuck do you even have an expectation for the general population to be prepared for such one-off major snowstorm when in reality many people fail at much simpler things? Lower your standard, stop whining if you slip wearing your converse shoes.

[kross9]

I recall posting about alternatives to shovels and salt, like using brooms and kitty litter. Growing up in Kamloops, with a very steep driveway, I never used salt because of its corrosive qualities. I didn't understand this frenzy over salt I was seeing and a little annoyed that my vehicles were at greater risk of salt damage.

Only down side with this is that yes kitty litter is great when you own pets and are worried about that or the salt run off but city official dont see it that way.

[Jmac]

Fucking moron, this started with some retard named underscore screaming "This is Canada", whatever the fuck that means. I guess the fuckhead meant because this is Canada, better learn to prepare for snowstorm, which makes no sense because the moron is generalizing all cities when Vancouver's climate is rather different from many other cities in the country.

The point is, it's even difficult for the people who grew up here to prepare so many months in advance when you have only seen a few snowstorm as huge as what we had this past winter over the last decade. Some had snow shovels because you already purchased one from years ago, not because you foresaw what was coming and fucking bought one last spring/summer.

My question is, why the fuck do you even have an expectation for the general population to be prepared for such one-off major snowstorm when in reality many people fail at much simpler things? Lower your standard, stop whining if you slip wearing your converse shoes.
This constitutes negligence, potentially criminal negligence, if someone is seriously injured or dies as a result of slipping on the sidewalk adjacent to your property, your driveway, or your walkway. The liability insurance on your home/tenant insurance policy will not cover you if you haven't demonstrated a reasonable attempt to keep these areas safe (read: clear from snow and ice). It doesn't have to be clear 24/7, but you have to be able to prove you cleared it within a reasonable timeframe and, in the event of continuing winter conditions, on a reasonably regular basis.

This isn't about some guy in his mid-20s slipping and being embarrassed; it's about the elderly, mail and parcel delivery workers, etc. who can be seriously injured if they slip and fall.

"We don't get a lot of snowstorms here" isn't an excuse that will hold up with your insurance provider or in court.

Buy a shovel and shovel your walkway, driveway, and sidewalk when it snows or, if you don't own a shovel, ask a neighbour/friend/family member to lend you one/do it for you or hire someone to do it for you.

When my parents moved to their new house up in the mountains with a 1.25 acre corner lot (lots of sidewalk), I bought them a snowblower as a housewarming/Christmas gift. My dad is retired and I don't want him to have a heart attack from shoveling snow, so I got him a self-propelling Honda single stage. He didn't use it the first two years (last two years) but it was obviously a god send this winter.

[flagella]

You aren't getting my point. I don't even care what it constitutes as. I'm simply pointing to the reality, and how well-prepared you can expect the general population to be for a rare snow storm that hits the city once every several years. That's fantastic you got your dad a snowblower, but it's irrelevant here when we are talking about overal statistics.

As I said earlier, more deaths occur from idiots running summer/all-season tires in winter. People slipping on some ice and falling to death simply doesn't happen as often and isn't as deadly. If the city is so anal about issuing fines as a measure to improve overall safety, start targeting the ones who are too cheap to buy a set of winter tires. It's much easier to target the dumbasses this way too. I lose count of how many close calls I see every year, with cars struggling to drive up even a slight uphill, or failing to stop going downhill and crashing into a pole (could've easily been people). Don't we even get these threads every year on this forum? Cheap fucks who save $ living with the parents to modify cars, but don't have enough $ to buy a set of winter tires.

Also, how does the city deal with people who go on vacation? I guess it's not just the real estate that's expensive here, but you better hire people to look after your sidewalk when you are away for two weeks vacationing.

[Hehe]

pstt... Shovel is for peasants...

Seriously people, invest in a snowblower if you own a home/business in Canada. HD, Walmart, CT... etc all host sales of them at the end of season, a reliable basic (Poulan Pro) model can go as low as $4xx.

It gets sidewalk done in less time your coffee brew in Keurig and hardly a sweat. Then a big bag of salt should last an awful long time. Back in East coast, I usually use about a bag or two per year and back there we get a shit ton of snow every season.

Some might argue that here in West coast we don't get enough snow to justify for one, but a reliable snowblower can last easily 10+ seasons and much longer if no heavy usage. At an average of less than $50 per season, it's no brainer.

[Jmac]

You aren't getting my point. I don't even care what it constitutes as. I'm simply pointing to the reality, and how well-prepared you can expect the general population to be for a rare snow storm that hits the city once every several years. That's fantastic you got your dad a snowblower, but it's irrelevant here when we are talking about overal statistics.

As I said earlier, more deaths occur from idiots running summer/all-season tires in winter. People slipping on some ice and falling to death simply doesn't happen as often and isn't as deadly. If the city is so anal about issuing fines as a measure to improve overall safety, start targeting the ones who are too cheap to buy a set of winter tires. It's much easier to target the dumbasses this way too. I lose count of how many close calls I see every year, with cars struggling to drive up even a slight uphill, or failing to stop going downhill and crashing into a pole (could've easily been people). Don't we even get these threads every year on this forum? Cheap fucks who save $ living with the parents to modify cars, but don't have enough $ to buy a set of winter tires.

Also, how does the city deal with people who go on vacation? I guess it's not just the real estate that's expensive here, but you better hire people to look after your sidewalk when you are away for two weeks vacationing.
I'm not 100% certain, but tires I'm pretty sure fall outside of the jurisdiction of local bylaws.

Also, Ministry of Transportation had to roll back their winter tire requirements on winter routes because stupid people argued they should be allowed to use M+S rated tires because they were "Mud and Snow" rated and won in court (stupidest thing ever), so I doubt they'd be successful in the City of Vancouver if they can't require you to have actual snow tires outside of the city.

[320icar]

Flagella, you seem pretty naive.

If you own a house, you probably also own...

- a hose
- a shovel
- a lawn mower
- usually a weed whacker
- sometimes a bbq
- some recycle and garbage bins
- a wheel barrow often
- potted plants
- a watering can

You are telling me that it's unreasonable to keep a fucking shovel and a fucking bag of salt.

[flagella]

The naive one is you who, despite seeing the reality that many apparently didn't carry one (especially the new homeowners who purchased in recent years), continue to repeat the same shit over and over. Are you that stupid?

I'm not telling you that it's unreasonable to keep a fucking shovel and a bag of salt. This is what happened. Your over-reaction to it is amusing. Logic much?

[320icar]

Right, so tens of thousands of people who got multiple fines, they just moved into a house in Vancouver and have never owned a townhouse or detached home that they should have also had a snow shovel from. I just find it a piss poor excuse.

I don't see why anyone couldn't have just knocked on their neighbors door and asked to borrow theirs... But whatever. I'm a pleb basement suite renter (and yes, I shoveled and salted my landlords driveway and sidewalk, and both neighbors on each side. Life isn't that hard)

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[Sw0op]

The naive one is you who, despite seeing the reality that many apparently didn't carry one (especially the new homeowners who purchased in recent years), continue to repeat the same shit over and over. Are you that stupid?

I'm not telling you that it's unreasonable to keep a fucking shovel and a bag of salt. This is what happened. Your over-reaction to it is amusing. Logic much?

are you kidding me? we bought a place last summer and one of the first things we bought was a snow shovel and ice salt...even scored one on clearance because we bought it well ahead in advance. dont label your lack of foresight on to others

[underscore]

Vancouver's climate is rather different from many other cities in the country.

Not really, it snowed in Vancouver, just like everywhere else. Vancouver isn't special.

The point is, it's even difficult for the people who grew up here to prepare so many months in advance when you have only seen a few snowstorm as huge as what we had this past winter over the last decade. Some had snow shovels because you already purchased one from years ago, not because you foresaw what was coming and fucking bought one last spring/summer.

It may have snowed more than normal, but it's not like Vancouver hasn't seen snow in 40 years or something. Even if it only snows a little you still need to clear your sidewalk, so most people should have had shovels for a while now.

My question is, why the fuck do you even have an expectation for the general population to be prepared for such one-off major snowstorm when in reality many people fail at much simpler things? Lower your standard, stop whining if you slip wearing your converse shoes.

Yet you seem to think stores should be prepared for it? You do realize they can't just snap their fingers and have stuff in their warehouse right?

Also, how does the city deal with people who go on vacation? I guess it's not just the real estate that's expensive here, but you better hire people to look after your sidewalk when you are away for two weeks vacationing.

That's exactly what people do in every other place that it snows. Get a friend, family member or neighbour kid to shovel the snow while you're gone, no different from getting them to move the law or water your plants.

[westopher]

I can't believe Flagella is still losing his fucking shit about shovels 8 months later. Jesus fuck.

I had an icy windshield, and I couldn't get a scraper. I used a credit card.
If you have a snowy sidewalk and no shovel grab a fucking piece of cardboard or something. All it is, is a goddamn straight edge attached to a fucking stick. Learn some problem solving skills.

[flagella]

What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not among the ones that have been issued a ticket, as I have diligently taken care of my sidewalk. I simply don't have an attitude of "this is Canada!" or "you're a dumbass if you didn't purchase snow shovel and salt when you first purchased your home, and now it's your fucking fault when every store is out of stock".

I'll lay it clearly for you fuckwits one last time and I'm out of here. The lack of logical reasoning from some people is too clear in this thread. Suddenly, we get chefs and retail sales people chiming in about their amazing problem-solving skills!

Fact #1: Many people did not purchase shovels and salts and stock them months in advance.

You trash these people by calling this lack of preparation or a lame excuse while I don't necessarily think so. I frankly think it's fine for people to expect that these supplies would be in stock during winter when needed. This is a fairly normal human behavior, similar to how people wait until the first heat wave to hit in summer before purchasing A/C.

Fact #2: When the snow storm hit, every store was completely out of snow shovels and salts for weeks. Oftentimes they restocked on weekdays so unless you don't have a job, good luck ever scoring one.

The combination of these two did, in fact, make many people's life more difficult. You live in a rain city where many people still can't drive in the rain. Why are you fucking surprised when people struggle with a major snow storm?

[westopher]

Let me sort it out for you.

If you don't have a shovel....Figure it out.

This guy didn't get a ticket because he "shovelled in the morning and it got covered again while he was at work."

It doesn't work like that.

You also flew of the handle at underscore implying he was racist because he said "this is Canada"
Guess what. It is Canada, and it snows here. It snows here for Canadians, Filipinos, Mexicans, Chinese, Americans, and whoever else is living here.
He's racist because he said it snows in Canada? Its not directed at some group of people.

Follow the law. If you don't have the tools to do it, figure it the fuck out. Thats the way it works.

[Mancini]

Also, I doubt most people just started living at their current place of residence. It's not going to be El Nino every year.

Also, people are lucky they're only getting a fine from the city and not a lawsuit against their home insurance policy for someone breaking a hip due to their negligence.

It's worse than that. Its a lawsuit against the homeowner personally, which they can then claim if they have insurance.

[fliptuner]

Lol I bet these are the same people that don't bother to find out where their water shut-off is, til there's 3" of water in their second floor laundry.

[GS8]

flagella sounds like a

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvnZOOdXEAAA0s-.jpg

Snowflake

[frozen]

You live in Canada, guess what it does a fair bit of? SNOW! If you have enough space for a lawn mower or shit in a 5000sqft Richmond China-box, you damn well have enough room to buy ONE shovel and a bag of salt.

Jesus Christ you people are dumb. You are the kind of person who goes camping and doesn't bring newspaper to light the fire, or only bring a hatchet

You and underscore are just dancing together on your racist rhetoric aren't you? You seem pretty mad about foreign investors. Let me guess, you are slaving away and saving every penny to try to purchase a place, but can't. You can't even relocate because your lack of transferable skills prevent you from doing so. Also, this is off-topic, but if you are the Focus ST owner that used to drive on Kingsway in PoCo every morning, it sounded god awful like a wet fart.

[320icar]

Lol, can't tell if srs. And no I never leave richmond

http://www.sharegif.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/19/u-mad-gif-17.gif

[frozen]

I should've figured, considering how mad you are at the "Richmond China-box". I still had to ask because it was also a blue ST, and there aren't that many who overpay for such a junk. I hope driving past all those "China-box" daily doesn't make you go insane. At least leave Richmond once in a while to give yourself a break. I would actually pay to see the rage you will unleash one day when you slip on the icy sidewalk of a "China-box".

[320icar]

Bro you try WAY too hard. Can't rustle my jimmies bruh

[meme405]

You aren't getting my point. I don't even care what it constitutes as. I'm simply pointing to the reality, and how well-prepared you can expect the general population to be for a rare snow storm that hits the city once every several years. That's fantastic you got your dad a snowblower, but it's irrelevant here when we are talking about overal statistics.

As I said earlier, more deaths occur from idiots running summer/all-season tires in winter. People slipping on some ice and falling to death simply doesn't happen as often and isn't as deadly. If the city is so anal about issuing fines as a measure to improve overall safety, start targeting the ones who are too cheap to buy a set of winter tires. It's much easier to target the dumbasses this way too. I lose count of how many close calls I see every year, with cars struggling to drive up even a slight uphill, or failing to stop going downhill and crashing into a pole (could've easily been people). Don't we even get these threads every year on this forum? Cheap fucks who save $ living with the parents to modify cars, but don't have enough $ to buy a set of winter tires.

Also, how does the city deal with people who go on vacation? I guess it's not just the real estate that's expensive here, but you better hire people to look after your sidewalk when you are away for two weeks vacationing.

So your excuse for not shoveling your sidewalk is because other people don't run winter tires on their cars, and this is your way of protesting that?

Did your mom sneeze while you were crowning?

Also I'm shocked/appaled/confused at how pointing out "we live in Canada" is being construed as racism. You guys do realize that it's a fact that Vancouver is located in Canada right?

[twitchyzero]

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[FerrariEnzo]

My question is, why the fuck do you even have an expectation for the general population to be prepared for such one-off major snowstorm when in reality many people fail at much simpler things? Lower your standard, stop whining if you slip wearing your converse shoes.
Doesnt matter if its a major storm or little one.. Its still YOUR responsibility to clear it.... if you dnt like it, go move into a condo or something... or you could just pick up a phone to call someone to do it for you and pay them...
I bet this years snow storm will be same or maybe worse then last years.. seeing as its the trend for the past few years.. SO you better prepare NOW so you dnt cry about it later

[frozen]

Bro you try WAY too hard. Can't rustle my jimmies bruh

I actually commend your bravery (or foolishness?) for throwing out racist remarks on a forum that is frequented by tons of "China-man". It's even more interesting because this is a local forum, you claim you live in Richmond, and you whore out pictures of your car every few days, which makes you easily identifiable. Why would you even do that? :fulloffuck:

[CivicBlues]

Wow, mods musta took the weekend off.

Off to fightclub we go

[320icar]

Yeah I dunno what his problem is. Anyone who grew up in richmond regardless of race called them China-box's lol. No hate or grudges, it's just what they were called. If brown people were knocking down all the old houses in Richmond and building huge pink-stucco covered box shaped homes then they might have been called brown boxes. If white ppl did that they would probably be called barns.

He's just desperate to get offended or something

[twitchyzero]

I don't see how the colour or shape of a house has anything to do with clearing a walkway

[underscore]

You trash these people by calling this lack of preparation or a lame excuse while I don't necessarily think so. I frankly think it's fine for people to expect that these supplies would be in stock during winter when needed.

So it's fine for people to not be prepared in any way for it to snow, you think that instead stores should be the ones preparing for other peoples lack of preparation, at great cost to them?

You and underscore are just dancing together on your racist rhetoric aren't you? You seem pretty mad about foreign investors. Let me guess, you are slaving away and saving every penny to try to purchase a place, but can't. You can't even relocate because your lack of transferable skills prevent you from doing so. Also, this is off-topic, but if you are the Focus ST owner that used to drive on Kingsway in PoCo every morning, it sounded god awful like a wet fart.

Please quote me saying something racist and blaming foreign investors for ANYTHING. I'll wait.

[frozen]

Yeah I dunno what his problem is. Anyone who grew up in richmond regardless of race called them China-box's lol. No hate or grudges, it's just what they were called. If brown people were knocking down all the old houses in Richmond and building huge pink-stucco covered box shaped homes then they might have been called brown boxes. If white ppl did that they would probably be called barns.

He's just desperate to get offended or something

Did growing in up in Vancouver make you fearless? That you are free to say things without any consequences because they aren't offensive to you and that's how it's always been called? Our neighbor across the border definitely isn't that friendly, and I'm certain none of my Asian friends would be pleased to hear the term "China-box". Once again, you are a fool going around a local forum, making yourself easily identifiable, and throwing out remarks that are potentially offensive to many.

[320icar]

Are you trying to threaten me dude?

[Bouncing Bettys]

I'm not sure I'm understanding this thread. Fines for not clearing snow are the modern day Chinese Head Tax?

[westopher]

I can think of plenty of examples of people from every ethnicity too stupid to shovel. Frozen is just so fucking desperate to claim racism.
The same people who get offended about "China box" houses are usually the ones saying "white people food" or some shit that's exactly the same. Neither is worth getting wound up over unless you just love being mad for no fucking reason.

[320icar]

I don't understand any of this. All whites be racist apparently because people in metro van (some who may or may have not been of Asian descent) didn't have snow shovels or asked to borrow their neighbors.

Lol I'm out before someone tells my Dean I'm a wacist

[CivicBlues]

I'm not sure I'm understanding this thread. Fines for not clearing snow are the modern day Chinese Head Tax?

I don't get this thread either. It's almost July, 25 degrees out and people are bitching about snow removal back in January. Now they're calling each other racist and threatening each other over the internet?

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/353/279/e31.jpg

[originalhypa]

This thread went from snow clearing to immigration

I honestly thought this thread was from the winter and carried over into summer for some reason.


I had an icy windshield, and I couldn't get a scraper. I used a credit card.
If you have a snowy sidewalk and no shovel grab a fucking piece of cardboard or something. All it is, is a goddamn straight edge attached to a fucking stick. Learn some problem solving skills.

:lol

Well said.


Wow, mods musta took the weekend off.

Off to fightclub we go

Nah man, it's all good.
Everyone here is a big boy. Plus this is a pretty crazy thread.

I'm not sure I'm understanding this thread. Fines for not clearing snow are the modern day Chinese Head Tax?

Apparently this is the new hatred.
IBGregor's girlfriend strikes this bylaw down as racist, while Justin Trudeau dances around in a native headdress.

All whites be racist apparently because people in metro van (some who may or may have not been of Asian descent) didn't have snow shovels or asked to borrow their neighbors.

I know a lot of dumbass white people. That's why racism is retarded.
We need a new term for people who just don't like idiots.

I'm an idiotist. Or is it prejudiot?
FailFish

[320icar]

Is it just me, or does originalhypa's avatar remind you of Kranky Kong that has been Benjamin buttoned

[frozen]

This is getting interesting. 320icar, I hope you aren't thin-skinned to think that you're being threatened. Any person with average intelligence wouldn't do what you are doing on the internet, and I'm here to give you that advice. A good rule of thumb to follow is, ask yourself if you would freely speak that term among Asians you don't know in real life. I suppose not. If that still doesn't click, try to think if you'd use that term at workplace, assuming your workplace isn't a trashy one. China box, brown box, white people food, heck I wouldn't use any of these terms. I guess people really behave differently on the internet. If you so love using it, keep it among your close circle of friends.

I love where this thread is going. Let's make it even better.

http://i64.tinypic.com/xmtu7p.png

[quasi]

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[320icar]

Edit: I'll take the high road. Have fun

[Jmac]

:drama:

[GS8]

Planet Earth is racist because snow is white

[originalhypa]

Is it just me, or does originalhypa's avatar remind you of Kranky Kong that has been Benjamin buttoned

Do you like my monkey?
:smug:

This is getting interesting. 320icar, I hope you aren't thin-skinned to think that you're being threatened. Any person with average intelligence wouldn't do what you are doing on the internet, and I'm here to give you that advice. A good rule of thumb to follow is, ask yourself if you would freely speak that term among Asians you don't know in real life. I suppose not. If that still doesn't click, try to think if you'd use that term at workplace, assuming your workplace isn't a trashy one. China box, brown box, white people food, heck I wouldn't use any of these terms. I guess people really behave differently on the internet. If you so love using it, keep it among your close circle of friends.

I love where this thread is going. Let's make it even better.


You're so full of shit, it makes me ill to be in the same thread as you. Normally, I wouldn't bother calling out some random revscene nobody, but this is enough.

You sit high and mighty calling out 320, when you're just as ignorant as the rest of the internet.

some of your better moments online.....

Solid video. Terrible fashion sense and ugly car mods.

ouch. Mocking the guy about his mods? That's not too bad I guess...

Not to mention the further deprecation here locally due to its association with that faggot Larry chu guy. He still racing on the street?
and
You sound as retarded as that faggot in your avatar.

faggot and retarded in the same sentence?
Well hot damn!
1988 called and they want their insensitive comments back. I guess you're conservative when it comes to racial stereotypes, but fuck the LGBT and special needs, right?

Pitching amount

Bro: $500
OP: $500
Mom: $200,000 (earned by dad)

"Here's our gift to you!"

:lol
Funny yes, but holy fuck! Making fun of a guy wanting to buy his dad a G wagon. But I thought you were a man of the people? Someone who would never call out anyone based on stereotypes.

No need to kick them out because the marriage won't last long with four kids, especially considering two of them aren't yours.

damn.
Don't even know the people, but you're assuming that because it's a mixed family they won't last?

Could it be....... that you're just a dick?

lol @ mofos buying engagement rings to get married (looks like in this case an engagement ring bought just to live together? lol). Way too many people fall for this garbage. I'm surprised people continue to shell this amount of money for an engagement ring and spend tens of thousands for a wedding ceremony, when these money could be meaningfully put towards something else. It's almost like a condition precedent prior to the proposal. Tell your girl to fuck off if she can't be with you without an engagement ring to flaunt it to her friends.

It's your sunk cost so just let her keep the fucking ring. In real life it's a clusterfuck to even prove who went cold feet first. She has her story and you have yours.

:lol

You are a miserable cunt!


Umm.. yea... the sarcasm doesn't work well on a forum frequented by countless retards. The comments in this very thread exemplify it.

Wow, you are so much better than the rest of us.....

I bow to you.

Or maybe I don't?
Revscene doesn't need closet assholes to chime in when they feel like gracing the rest of us with their presence. So kindly go fuck yourself before attempting to come across as someone who's opinion matters.

:moderated:

[westopher]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmDhdmgYbaQ

[6o4__boi]

lol i can't believe he actually creeped around 320's pictures

got rustled so hard

[Jmac]

:teach:

[meme405]

10/10 thread. would read again.

I can only imagine how much better this would have been if it was actually the city of Richmond that did this and not COV.

[AzNightmare]

Planet Earth is racist because snow is white

https://www.snotr.com/video/16346/Key_Peele_-_Black_Ice

[frozen]

Do you like my monkey?
:smug:



You're so full of shit, it makes me ill to be in the same thread as you. Normally, I wouldn't bother calling out some random revscene nobody, but this is enough.

You sit high and mighty calling out 320, when you're just as ignorant as the rest of the internet.

some of your better moments online.....



ouch. Mocking the guy about his mods? That's not too bad I guess...


and


faggot and retarded in the same sentence?
Well hot damn!
1988 called and they want their insensitive comments back. I guess you're conservative when it comes to racial stereotypes, but fuck the LGBT and special needs, right?



:lol
Funny yes, but holy fuck! Making fun of a guy wanting to buy his dad a G wagon. But I thought you were a man of the people? Someone who would never call out anyone based on stereotypes.



damn.
Don't even know the people, but you're assuming that because it's a mixed family they won't last?

Could it be....... that you're just a dick?



:lol

You are a miserable cunt!




Wow, you are so much better than the rest of us.....

I bow to you.

Or maybe I don't?
Revscene doesn't need closet assholes to chime in when they feel like gracing the rest of us with their presence. So kindly go fuck yourself before attempting to come across as someone who's opinion matters.

:moderated:

Are you retarded? I don't use the word faggot then defend myself saying it isn't offensive. I would call you a retard in person as I would on a forum. What's next? Oh because I made all these comments I should stop calling out on others? Hell then I guess none of us on this planet has any right to call out on anyone ever again.

That is absolutely hilarious you dug out all my comments, yet you fail to grasp the reason I picked on 320icar. That was a nice memory trip though because I enjoyed reading all these comments you dug up. There's a reason these comments got thanked more than your moronic attempt to prove something here. I'm actually laughing at the amount of effort you put in.

You should actually go a step further and provide a link of the thread for each of my comment you pulled out. It'd be a nice flashback. LUL

[hud 91gt]

This is good stuff. I hope this season never ends.

[meme405]

You should actually go a step further and provide a link of the thread for each of my comment you pulled out. It'd be a nice flashback. LUL

You can just click the little blue arrow and it takes you right to the post inside the thread.

How after 6 years of being a member do you not know this? :noob:

[Jmac]

There's a reason these comments got thanked more than your moronic attempt to prove something here. I'm actually laughing at the amount of effort you put in.
Only one of those 8 comments got thanked more than Hypa's post.

[frozen]

Only one of those 8 comments got thanked more than Hypa's post.

No fucking way. Did you really check each of the comment? Go through it again, carefully count the thanks. Spend a few minutes on each comment.

[originalhypa]

Ok, so I moved this back from the abyss that is fight club.

Even though the thread devolved into this.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/hypasteve/19437241_10155491045228410_5197216808268083756_n_z ps0hhg8l9e.jpg

You can just click the little blue arrow and it takes you right to the post inside the thread.

How after 6 years of being a member do you not know this? :noob:

Meme's savagery was the defining factor.
Just fuken gold!
:lol

[Eff-1]

I'm going to try and bring this back to the debate at hand.

This all comes down to EFFORT. If you made an effort, then I don't think a fine is appropriate.

EFFORT is not one of the following:

It never snows this much, so I was caught off guard

The stores were sold out, it's the store's fault

I work during the week

I'm an immigrant and just bought my house

If your case for the judge is based on one of those reasons, then I think you should be fined--especially if the city gave you several warnings.

[frozen]

I'm loving this originalhypa mod. Not only is he dull as fuck, he loves to keep this going. I should shower this thread with golden shower to make it even more "fuken gold".

To backtrack a little bit, the cunt thinks I'm putting myself on a high pedestal calling out on 320icar when I gave this dude an excellent advice on not using potentially offensive racist remarks on a local forum while at the same time making his profile so public, including his car, his own selfies with his fiance/wife whatever it is.

Just to make originalhypa even happier so he can enjoy spending more time defending 320icar, I should start a thread with that photo on an active local Chinese forum with a link to the public profile. This thread barely gets any traction here anyway. Gotta grow it bigger. 操你妈的B :jiggy:

Eff-1, the debate had ended a long time ago. Even the people who advocated for those who got fines don't disagree with putting in effort.

[originalhypa]

Like you, I aim to please.

你做好线程
它很有趣

:D