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07-04-2017, 04:44 PM
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| Ottawa to pay $10.5M to Omar Khadr, government source says
Ottawa to pay $10.5M to Omar Khadr, government source says - Politics - CBC News
I'm surprised no one has posted about this yet. One of the bigger stories in the news today.
It seems that Canadians are positioned on both sides of the fence concerning this story.
Thoughts..?
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07-04-2017, 07:01 PM
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The big question that comes to my mind is why is there no financial compensation given to the widow of the deceased Sergeant Christopher Speer?
This Khadr dude confessed to throwing a grenade which killed Sergeant Speer.
He gets compensation for wrongful imprisonment??
Speer served the US and paid the ultimate sacrifice for his country.
Where is the justice in this situation?? 
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07-04-2017, 07:08 PM
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I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. Not only are we letting a 'former' Islamic extremist back out on the streets, we're now paying him too? Quote:
Originally Posted by pastarocket  Speer served Canada and paid the ultimate sacrifice for his country. | SFC Speer is American
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07-04-2017, 07:13 PM
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instead of doing work I read his entire wiki page earlier 
I think claiming he forgot everything is probably BS
I'm going to say he was a terrorist through and through...but being a minor then I can understand why was considered unethical PoW treatment
damn he's made of steel: gets bombed by a pair of Warthogs, shot twice, survived 10 years of GTMO (basically picked his brain because he met bin Laden at age 10)...still less street cred than 50 cent though 
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not a lawyer but 8M USD is probably a good deal consider he was suing for $20M
and Morris (who was blinded as a result of his attack) and Speer's widow will likely be suing him again.
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07-04-2017, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by pastarocket The big question that comes to my mind is why is there no financial compensation given to the widow of the deceased Sergeant Christopher Speer?
This Khadr dude confessed to throwing a grenade which killed Sergeant Speer.
He gets compensation for wrongful imprisonment??
Speer served Canada and paid the ultimate sacrifice for his country.
Where is the justice in this situation?? | Speer was part of the U.S army.
And, Khadr's "confessions" are considered by some as contentious give that they were given under duress as a result of torture. People tend to say whatever their captors want to hear in order to stop the pain they are enduring during "enhanced interrogation".
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07-04-2017, 07:54 PM
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Looks like the Widow wants the money for Speer and Morris.
Wonder how many would accuse her of being a racist islamophobe for doing this?
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I read somewhere that this was the best case scenario in terms of settlement.
If this wasn't reached, it would've gone to international courts or something which was apparently gonna cost taxpayers more.
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07-04-2017, 09:40 PM
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I do see an apology is somewhat called for.. But with all said and done, if indeed he threw the grenade, 80% of the $ should go to the dead us soldier.
Then again.. Fuck Harper
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07-04-2017, 10:20 PM
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I have mixed feelings on how this all played out. Canada failed to take appropriate action when he was captured, but they also failed miserably to ensure that appropriate justice for his crimes was delivered.
First, I just don't buy that he was brain washed. I think he was a fully aware and willing terrorist when he was 15, and should be held fully accountable for his actions. Now, to be clear, I am not talking so much about the person he killed and other he injured, more so that fact that he took up arms against our allies in a warzone. In my view he is absolutely guilty of treason. In Canada, that is the punishment for high treason is life imprisonment, without parole eligibility for 25 years. That is what I think proper justice should have looked like in this case.
Canada failed to act when he was taken to Guantanamo Bay. They should have pushed to have him brought to Canada and put up on charges of high treason when it first came to light. There is no doubt he suffered torture and unethical treatment at the hand of the Americans.
Then again, given what a bunch of liberal pussies Canadian judges are, I am not all that confident that they would find a 15 year old guilty of high treason. He likely wouldn't have had any real consequences for his actions, and probably sucked right back into being a terrorist again.
So at the end of the day, he has at least spent a significant amount of time in a rough jail, which in my view he basically deserved. He has come out of it with a renewed sense of life and commitment to doing good (I think he is studying to be a nurse). While he is going to get stupid amount of money from the Canadian government for their failure to act, it will be less than if they continue to drag it out. Plus I expect a lot of that to end up with the people he victimized.
I still think he should be fucking jailed for the full amount of time for treason though, but I suppose I can take some comfort in the fact that he was at least jailed at all for a decade, which is far more than most victims in Canada get to see happen to their perpetrators. Quote:
Originally Posted by 6o4__boi I read somewhere that this was the best case scenario in terms of settlement.
If this wasn't reached, it would've gone to international courts or something which was apparently gonna cost taxpayers more. | Yep, agree with this. I don't know how much of this money he is even going to get to keep in the long run... a majority chunk is going to his lawyer; and then the lawyers for the widow of the man he killed, and the man he injured, are going to be swarming him knowing he actually has cash. By the time the dust settles, he won't have much left.
I kind of hope he ends up penny-less and in debt
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07-04-2017, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by pastarocket The big question that comes to my mind is why is there no financial compensation given to the widow of the deceased Sergeant Christopher Speer?
This Khadr dude confessed to throwing a grenade which killed Sergeant Speer.
He gets compensation for wrongful imprisonment??
Speer served the US and paid the ultimate sacrifice for his country.
Where is the justice in this situation?? | Where was the financial compensation for the 4 Canadian troops that where killed and the 8 that where injured buy a US fighter pilots? The pilots did not even go to trial. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarnak_Farm_incident U.S. Pilots Avoid Prosecution for Bombing Canadian Troops - The New York Times
I also don't think Canadians should be allowed to be tortured by foreign countries.
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07-04-2017, 11:23 PM
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that was friendly fire
when you're the son of a high-ranking Al-Qaeda fighter, it's harder to argue you accidentally pulled the pin on a grenade against enemy combatants (in this case the US troops)
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07-05-2017, 03:04 AM
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He was 15 tortured and ignored by his country and a foreign one. We have child soldier laws for a reason. the US and Harper ignored them, he should get much more
Also read the conflicting reports by the soldiers from having khadr with weapon in hand and taking three slugs in the chest to having him crouched and hiding and taking slugs in his back Quote:
Originally Posted by twitchyzero that was friendly fire
when you're the son of a high-ranking Al-Qaeda fighter, it's harder to argue you accidentally pulled the pin on a grenade against enemy combatants (in this case the US troops) | His father was only accused of being an associate, but his father has a history of charity work for NGOs in the region and the claim by his lawyers is that any association with suspected terrorists was a result of building relations to negotiate for the NGOs (which organizations need to be able to operate in those regions) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Khadr
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07-05-2017, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by MrPhreak Yep, agree with this. I don't know how much of this money he is even going to get to keep in the long run... a majority chunk is going to his lawyer; and then the lawyers for the widow of the man he killed, and the man he injured, are going to be swarming him knowing he actually has cash. By the time the dust settles, he won't have much left. | Very unlikely any of that money goes to the American soldiers' families.
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07-05-2017, 08:15 AM
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No matter how much money he's given he will be fucked up for the rest of his life because what he went through. I think he deserves it because of the hell is was put through when our government could of prevented that.
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I'd say he served a reasonable amount of time for his crime considering his youth and the influences of his family. I don't agree that he should have been tortured though so maybe some compensation would be due. I very much disagree with him getting an apology though. Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallydrv IThen again.. Fuck Harper | What's the point of this comment other than to show your ignorance? Harper wasn't prime minister when Khadr was sent to gtmo, he was already there for a few years before harper came around. If anything he was repatriated back to Canada under harper.
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For the record, Paul Martin and the Liberals were in power during the time that Khadr was imprisoned, while Chretien was in power during the firefight where the US medic was killed. Quote:
Originally Posted by murd0c No matter how much money he's given he will be fucked up for the rest of his life because what he went through. I think he deserves it because of the hell is was put through when our government could of prevented that. | I'm glad he's fucked up for the rest of his life. He killed an American medic, a man with a family who was tasked with saving the lives of soldiers fighting for their country.
Why should our gov't have prevented him from being imprisoned in another country?
Should we do the same for the mother of Wanting Qu?
Or maybe the next time someone is thrown in a Thai prison for smuggling drugs we should offer them the same?
This is just another Trudeau fail. I swear, the more time he is in power the more I think he is a plant put in power by some shady elite. The man offers nothing of substance, and aside from the Liberal agenda to disarm the population, he's also made it impossible for Canadian citizens to lose their status for terrorism. While the Khadr scenario may have forced the Cdn gov't hand, there was no need for him to allow terrorists to keep their citizenship. Quote: Trudeau rewards a terrorist with citizenship
Zakaria Amara is a convicted terrorist, serving a life sentence for his role in a plot to murder scores of Canadians. And now, thanks to a Trudeau government bill passed through the Senate this week, Amara will soon be given the privilege of Canadian citizenship.
After all, a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian, right?
In the case of Amara, this “Canadian” was born in Jordan and raised in Saudi Arabia.
He came to Canada as a teenager, became a Canadian citizen as a young man, and, by the time he turned 20, he was behind bars and charged with terrorism.
Amara was the ringleader of a sophisticated terrorist cell known as the Toronto 18. He recruited, trained and groomed fellow Islamist extremists and worked towards a deadly terrorist plot.
Amara wanted to detonate bombs in downtown Toronto, and coordinate shooting sprees at the CBC and the Toronto Stock Exchange. He planned to siege Parliament Hill in Ottawa, and carry out executions and beheadings of politicians, including the Prime Minster.
He wanted to mass murder Canadians. And even more so, he wanted to shatter our sense of safety and security. It would have forever changed Canada.
Thankfully, this madman’s plot was foiled by an undercover police sting operation. Amara pled guilty to terrorism charges, and was slapped with a life sentence.
Under the Harper government, Amara had his Canadian citizenship revoked and was set to be deported the moment he was released from prison.
But things have changed under Justin Trudeau.
Trudeau said during the 2015 election campaign that he believes “terrorists should get to keep their Canadian citizenship.” And now he’s keeping good on that pledge.
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So who gave convicted criminal Conrad Black who spent time in US jail Canadian citizenship?
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^ so was Omar Khadr.
The law only would have applied to people who had dual citizenship or were eligible for it.
Also the law only applied to people charged with terrorism or treason.
So basically what the fuck does Conrad black have to do with anything?
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Originally Posted by vitaminG ^ so was Omar Khadr.
The law only would have applied to people who had dual citizenship or were eligible for it.
Also the law only applied to people charged with terrorism or treason.
So basically what the fuck does Conrad black have to do with anything? | Manic can't let criticism of Islam or the actions of some of its followers slide without immediately responding with a post reminding everyone that white people are bad too.
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Originally Posted by vitaminG ^ so was Omar Khadr.
| My response was in respect to Zakaria Amara.
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There is no doubt that Omar wen't thru some shit that he probably shouldn't have, and was most likely extremely mistreated by the US. Thats true.
Its also true that he was in a place he shouldn't be, and (conflicting reports from the soldiers or not), he was involved in fighting Americans, and was directly (as the story goes) or indirectly responsible for an American dying, and another being injured. For that, he was a prisoner of war.
Those are the main facts of Omar Khadr.
Was Canada responsible?
Canada provided him an opportunity to live a healthy and safe life as a Canadian in Canada, his family chose otherwise (except when they needed to come back for medical reasons or money, funny hey). Canada didn't put him in that house the US was raiding, Canada didn't arrest him and send him to gitmo, and Canada wasn't the lead in the interrogation. Canada was tho, the country that repatriated him and 'saved him' from likely spending the rest of his life in an american prison.
Was he mistreated, and very unfortunate to go thru what he did? Yes, absolutely.
Was it Canada's fault enough to take the blame and give him a $10m apology? I dont think so.
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Originally Posted by vitaminG ^ so was Omar Khadr.
The law only would have applied to people who had dual citizenship or were eligible for it.
Also the law only applied to people charged with terrorism or treason.
So basically what the fuck does Conrad black have to do with anything? | Conrad black was not a Canadian citizen and was a convicted criminal. I don't think we should give convicted criminals Canadian citizenship. I am guessing you disagree and criminals should be allowed to get into Canada and get Canadian citizenship?
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Conrad black is not a Canadian citizen and nobody has offered him citizenship.
So maybe we can put this to bed and continue the discussion unless you have any other pointless non sequitors you would like to pursue.
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