[sexpot]

Hi Revscene,

Looking for opinions regarding various German brand auto dealers in the Vancouver BC area. First, I'm not rich, so I don't want to walk in and pay full msrp on a new vehicle. My question is, are BMW, Audi, Lexus willing to negotiate?

I've been reading up on various forums and it seems like our neighbors in the States are getting anywhere between 6% ~ 12% off MSRP. Will I get laughed out of the show room coming in with similar expectations?

Thanks!

[Manic!]

When did Lexus become German?

[DJ Milk]

When did Lexus become German?

In World War 2 when Japan was part of the Axis Alliance with Germany :troll:


Anyways sexpot, if you're not rich then you should get a pre-owned car instead of a new one. But to answer your first question, every dealership is willing to negotiate except maybe Porsche.

[Badhobz]

Most Mercedes stores are corporate owned in Vancouver. That means not nearly as much wiggle room as say a franchised BMW dealership.

Best bang for German buck, I'd say would be Audi. Second best probably be bmw as they have aggressive rates on 3 series.

Try jag. Their xe hasn't been moving much so I'd figure the rates must be pretty decent on them.

[yray]

get a VW

[Badhobz]

Dude if you're not rich just buy second hand or buy a vw like yray suggested. That or just buy a corolla. You'll show people how fiscally responsible you are.

[mos_skeeto]

Buy a car because of the car, not the logo in front.

[hchang]

Buy a car because of the car, not the logo in front.

Welcome to the Lower Mainland.

[sexpot]

Thanks for the input everyone. Not rich as I can go around and pick out whatever carefree. But made some good investments in real estate in the last 4 years that it would be a nice treat for my wife and I. Lexus was thrown in there as an alt to the BMW/Audi. Will probably test an IS350, but my wife already said no.

TL;DR - not interested in used, but would like a deal and not pay full price.

[The Producer]

just use a service like unhaggle.

Save you a bit of money, but also a bunch of dealer BS.

My buddy had a great experience with this service and a new VW last year.

Note: this method is really only applicable if you know exactly what you want.

[sexpot]

just use a service like unhaggle.

Save you a bit of money, but also a bunch of dealer BS.

My buddy had a great experience with this service and a new VW last year.

Note: this method is really only applicable if you know exactly what you want.

Very true, we used Unhaggle for the pricing guidelines and invoice cost for our Honda last year. Call me weird, but I actually like going dealer to dealer and negotiating :)

[BaoTurbo]

Very true, we used Unhaggle for the pricing guidelines and invoice cost for our Honda last year. Call me weird, but I actually like going dealer to dealer and negotiating :)

Now try that same idea at German Auto Dealer like Benz lol :troll:

[Funnel]

It also depends on dealer's inventory level on specific model you are looking for. For example dealer will do whatever they can to push some model they have a lot in stock, so you can get better discount or even close at dealer's cost. But for some model such as Civic Type R or M2 that dealer won't have much allocation and high demand. You will be lucky to get one at MSRP, don't even think about discount.

[Traum]

But to answer your first question, every dealership is willing to negotiate except maybe Porsche.
How "unwilling to negotiate" would a local Porsche dealership be? Or would I have to go to Victoria or Calgary to land myself a good deal?

According to the US forums, it seems like our southern neighbours can generally expect ~5% off MSRP (from Porsche).

[yray]

I RETRACT MY POST ABOUT VW, JUST GET A CAR2GO MEMBERSHIP.

anyhow, what car do you want?

[mos_skeeto]

I think it's kinda funny when people get excited about how much they saved on something vs the value of the thing you're getting. Car A is 30,000 msrp and Car B is 35,000 with a 5000 discount and all of the sudden that means that car is better. I guess the secret is to start high and discount like those shitty jewellery shops that have 40% off year round.

[jcmaz]

It's not about the dealerships whether they are willing to negotiate on sale prices, sometimes it's the PA or managers that you speak with.

[twitchyzero]

someone who wants a new, upscale vehicle can't be looking for a deal?

it's also in some cultures to try and negotiate when possible...a car purchase is definitely one of those times. If paying MSRP, maybe throw in some swags. some options. or a better warranty.

maybe Vancouver dealers are getting comfortable with people who show-up, not wanting a test drive but ready to sit-down for the transaction, no questions asked.

good luck OP, post a pic when you take delivery of it.

[danned]

get a smart car and do some speeding in lion`s gate

[Ferra]

BMW has $3500 factory credit, 0.9% APR on MY2017 340xi right now.
You can usually get 5-7% off MSRP from the dealer.

48month/80k km. leasing residual rate is 48%
Basically cost just under $600+tax per month to lease it with the basic premium package.

FYI that's cheaper than what my brother is paying to lease his Sienna minivan, and cheaper than lease payment on a lexus is300 when i was shopping last year.


Stock is probably very limited tho since MY2018 is going hit the show room in 1 month.

[toyota86]

Any dealer will want to move inventory that has been sitting too long for various reasons. ie. odd colors, unpopular options, base models, last model year, cancelled orders, overstock. Just lease it and let the dealer deal with it after.

[sexpot]

BMW has $3500 factory credit, 0.9% APR on MY2017 340xi right now.
You can usually get 5-7% off MSRP from the dealer.

48month/80k km. leasing residual rate is 48%
Basically cost just under $600+tax per month to lease it with the basic premium package.

FYI that's cheaper than what my brother is paying to lease his Sienna minivan, and cheaper than lease payment on a lexus is300 when i was shopping last year.


Stock is probably very limited tho since MY2018 is going hit the show room in 1 month.

Thank you Ferra, this post pretty much hit the nail on the head with my experiences so far. BMW was more accommodating when I went to see them with Audi coming in second. Richmond Lexus was the worst as they did not want to budge on pricing.

Not quite the discount levels as you see posted on various bimmer/audi forums. But I'll take something better than nothing :)

[heleu]

Use Unhaggle for free to see what range (below MSRP) you can negotiate. That can be your starting point if you really want to negotiate in person.

[HonestTea]

How "unwilling to negotiate" would a local Porsche dealership be? Or would I have to go to Victoria or Calgary to land myself a good deal?

According to the US forums, it seems like our southern neighbours can generally expect ~5% off MSRP (from Porsche).

Curious as well

[BaoTurbo]

get a VW

VW is doing 0% financing right now for general models other than Golf R, Touareg, or Beetle.

[dark0821]

Thank you Ferra, this post pretty much hit the nail on the head with my experiences so far. BMW was more accommodating when I went to see them with Audi coming in second. Richmond Lexus was the worst as they did not want to budge on pricing.

Not quite the discount levels as you see posted on various bimmer/audi forums. But I'll take something better than nothing :)


Not saying that Lexus negotiate, but I think going to a dealership in Richmond was a wrong move.... seriously, when I was doing car shopping, I went around the automall since all the dealers were close to each other, but none of them cept Ford and Chevy... were willing to give too much of a discount... everyone had the "shit son, if you want this, this is what it costs".... went to the same make dealer in Langley and Surrey, even before we sat down, we were already offered lower than what was the "BEST" price from the Richmond Dealership...

I think the dealerships at Richmond are just spoiled with people coming in... pay full msrp + all the mumbo jumbo "warranty/service/anti rust etc etc etc) shit....

Fuck them... but yes, will still go there for test drives... because that is close to where I live... I know i am a bad person

[bcrdukes]

Any dealer will want to move inventory that has been sitting too long for various reasons. ie. odd colors, unpopular options, base models, last model year, cancelled orders, overstock. Just lease it and let the dealer deal with it after.

This is something I have always wanted to believe, but I am simply unsure how true this is.

Case in point - Mercedes had a C300 in manual I was interested in, and it had been sitting in their inventory for quite some time. The mileage was low and it was dealer maintained, however, the clutch left something to be desired as it was evident the previous owner didn't know how to drive manual. You start to wonder who the hell buys a manual transmission Mercedes, right? Any how, I had a similar experience with Audi on an S4 and they too, laughed me out the door, but come Monday morning, they accepted my offer, but I had already bought another car the same day and it was auctioned off a few weeks later.

Long story short: Mercedes didn't want to replace the clutch and didn't want to budge on price and laughed me out the door. And it wasn't like I lowballed them or played the angry guy card on them either. In fact, I was even prepared to buy with cash to sweeten the deal. Several weeks later, it was auctioned off.

[sexpot]

someone who wants a new, upscale vehicle can't be looking for a deal? - this was my exact mentality going into this deal/thread. Just didn't seem right to pay full ask.

it's also in some cultures to try and negotiate when possible...a car purchase is definitely one of those times. If paying MSRP, maybe throw in some swags. some options. or a better warranty.

maybe Vancouver dealers are getting comfortable with people who show-up, not wanting a test drive but ready to sit-down for the transaction, no questions asked.

good luck OP, post a pic when you take delivery of it.

Almost forgot, but here you go :)


2018 440i xDrive
Dakota Red Interior
M Performance Kit 1
Premium Package Enhanced
Smart Phone Kit


http://i.imgur.com/sW3UOdf.jpg

[Funnel]

More importantly, Did you knock off 6%~12% off MSRP from dealer?

BMW is probably the easiest German brand to negotiate due to very aggressive competition between lower mainland dealerships.

[yray]

2018, he did it at 5.9% lease rate

[BaoTurbo]

2018, he did it at 5.9% lease rate

Thats pretty high

[yray]

Thats pretty high

Porsche is 6.4 :troll:

[sexpot]

2018, he did it at 5.9% lease rate

:rukidding:

Wow, not sure what made you post that, but I definitely did not lease. BMW standard lease rate is 2.9% for the 4 series. Why would you sign at 5.9%? Unless your credit rating is so terrible that it would not make sense to be looking at bmw's in the first place.


I was able to negotiate at 7% off msrp in addition to the July $1000 delivery credit, totaling -$5750 off.

[Badhobz]

Why does the friggin 4 series have 4 doors ? i hate modern BMW so much

[Bender Unit]

^ I know :rukidding:

wasn't BMW create 4 Series because want to separate 3 series Sedan & Coupe

I know This is 4 Series GC. Thank You !

[LP700-4]

Four door version of the two door version of the four door car they already had :troll:

[yray]

:rukidding:

Wow, not sure what made you post that, but I definitely did not lease. BMW standard lease rate is 2.9% for the 4 series. Why would you sign at 5.9%? Unless your credit rating is so terrible that it would not make sense to be looking at bmw's in the first place.


I was able to negotiate at 7% off msrp in addition to the July $1000 delivery credit, totaling -$5750 off.

oh yea, forgot BMW releases next year cars early so the car been out for 5months.

Lease rate is published monthly by the car manufacturer or related finance company... not your credit limit. They just approve you or deny you. Also, I only do 0.9% :troll: