[twitchyzero]

https://i.cbc.ca/1.4212948.1500494889!/fileImage/httpImage/image.JPG_gen/derivatives/original_620/ihit-central-park.JPG
Police say they were called at 11:30 p.m. yesterday following a report the teen was missing. She was last seen at home at 1 p.m. and last made contact over phone around 5 p.m.

Shen’s body was found at 1:10 a.m. in Central Park in Burnaby, and investigators are treating her death as a homicide.

The 13-year-old’s body was located in brush in the south east part of the park.

Police ID 13-year-old girl found dead in Burnaby park - NEWS 1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2017/07/19/young-girl-killed-burnaby-ihit-called/)

i grew up around Central Park so this hits very, very close to home

please be vigilant as always

[hal0g0dv2]

so sad rip

[Inaii]

I grew up a block away from the park. We all knew not to go near it after it started to get dark (wild animals and who knows what else). I don't know what happened to this poor girl, but may she RIP and I hope her family gets the answers and closure they need.

[Retrac]

RIP hope justice is served.

[Badhobz]

That's messed up. I can't image what her parents are going through.

[iwantaskyline]

Very sad, hoping for justice.

Teach your kids/loved ones if they are ever in a scary situation with someone unknown to do whatever you can to prevent them from taking you to a second location, if you are taken to a second location you are 99% for sure dead.

[zilley]

RIP.

[punkwax]

Ugh. This news is terrible.

As a parent of 3 kids, I'm always advocating for my wife to be more comfortable with my eldest 2 being able to roam free and explore the neighbourhood on their own like I did at their age. The things I had experienced at the same age that they haven't as of today makes me wonder if we're doing it right sometimes.

Then something this happens... and I second guess myself. Things just ain't what they used to be.

RIP

[westopher]

What kind of piece of fucking garbage can commit such a heinous act on a child. So sorry for what her family and friends are going through.

[twitchyzero]

might not be relevant to the tragedy

but probably a good time to remind your family and friends who must walk alone at night to put their phones and earbuds away!

[MG1]

RIP.........

[Anjew]

Ugh. This news is terrible.

As a parent of 3 kids, I'm always advocating for my wife to be more comfortable with my eldest 2 being able to roam free and explore the neighbourhood on their own like I did at their age. The things I had experienced at the same age that they haven't as of today makes me wonder if we're doing it right sometimes.

Then something this happens... and I second guess myself. Things just ain't what they used to be.

RIP

is it really worst though? We're much much denser now and reports like this are still far and few between.

[StylinRed]

Things like this happened when we were kids and when our parents were kids (guys remember Michael dunahee? etc)

Parents will always parent but let em live a little or they'll grow up to be the weird kid that may end up shooting a place up

[Ch28]

RIP to the girl.

I wonder how they even found the body. I used to ride my bike through the Central Park trails during high school, and once it got dark, it got dark FAST. The canopy is so thick (especially the area that the girl was found) that you're in pitch black darkness where you couldn't even see your hand if you put it right in front of you.

[hchang]

is it really worst though? We're much much denser now and reports like this are still far and few between.

And also in the modern age of the Internet and social media these stories get shared and viewed by more people


RIP to the little girl. It's one thing to kill an adult but to kill a pure and innocent child who has probably never done anything to you is just something else...

[dbaz]

Very sad to hear.

I've been warning family in the area for a couple years to be careful, Burnaby is letting that area rot. The whole area below the skytrain from central park to nelson has become a complete shit show the last couple years, progressively worse each year. Homeless people climbing buildings to sleep on porches, junkies shooting up beside community programs for kids in Maywood park, needles constantly on the field and playground at the school on Imperial, lack of motor skills from people living in the new building, piles of garbage being left everywhere in the open, and the mayor doesn't want to do shit about it so he has an excuse to tear down the area faster

RIP to the girl.

I wonder how they even found the body. I used to ride my bike through the Central Park trails during high school, and once it got dark, it got dark FAST. The canopy is so thick

It's changed a lot. There's a lot less in there now due to city work/movies, there's also a lot of people that live in there now who make their own paths and areas.

[pastarocket]

RIP.

:tears:

[AzNightmare]

Things like this happened when we were kids and when our parents were kids (guys remember Michael dunahee? etc)

Parents will always parent but let em live a little or they'll grow up to be the weird kid that may end up shooting a place up

What's really fucked up is that I still remember when I was in grade 4, just outside of the school grounds, there's lots of cars parked around for parents to pick up their kids. I literally lived across the street so as I was waiting for the crosswalk light, a minivan pulls up and this man asks me if I need a ride home?

I quickly said "no...." and stopped talking to him. My thought process was cause I lived across the street, why would I need help, right? I didn't think much more of this scenario later in my life. I kept thinking maybe it was just a classmate in the car and saw me and told his dad to give me a lift...

But thinking back, it kind of scares me that if I DID live farther, would I have been stupid enough to actually get in. Maybe not, but damn... did I just dodge a bullet?? Good thing he didn't tell me he had candy or POGS or something. :heckno:

[impulseX]

rip.. :(

[DragonChi]

RIP

[ZN6]

RIP. There is no justice for this crime.

[- kT]

Death of Marrisa Shen, 13, now considered a homicide, say RCMP - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/marrisa-shen-thursday-update-1.4215019)

this story makes my skin crawl just as much as the elisa lam one.. there's a lot of conflicting information about the video too, whether she was entering or leaving, and whether it was her residence

and how did police find her only 2 hours after she was reported missing, in a densely wooded park at night?

hope they catch whoever did this soon, feel like this has really hit close to home for a lot of people.. RIP to the poor girl :(

[twitchyzero]

someone must have tipped them off..or an obvious trail left behind

even if they had an idea where to look in the park, no way they'd have enough manpower to canvass at midnight and have near-immediate results.

[Galactic_Phantom]

I wonder how they even found the body.


and how did police find her only 2 hours after she was reported missing, in a densely wooded park at night?


Sniffer dogs?

[impulseX]

Police are not saying what led them to Shen's body less than three hours after she was reported missing.

from the link kt posted. seems like they may be onto something?

[Spoon]

someone must have tipped them off..or an obvious trail left behind

even if they had an idea where to look in the park, no way they'd have enough manpower to canvass at midnight and have near-immediate results.

With technology nowadays, police probably tracked her down if she enabled locations services.

[m3thods]

from the link kt posted. seems like they may be onto something?

RCMP are always a number of steps ahead of what they let the media know (obviously).

Also, regardless of the movies we've all watched people are never as smart as a plain movie villain (duh). Whenever I think about "man how did they find the guy half a province away" after a crime it's really just stupid things. Electronic payment trails, social media (!!!!!!), cameras. The social media thing really gets me. For someone trying to lay low, it's amazing how dumb these criminals can be on FB and twitter.

[twitchyzero]

With technology nowadays, police probably tracked her down if she enabled locations services.

they can do that? what's all the fuss about Apple not letting investigators into the San Bernardino shooter's phone?

in another case (also in the US) when someone drowned last year, fitbit details were provided in an attempt to find the GPS coordinates.

[m3thods]

they can do that? what's all the fuss about Apple not letting investigators into the San Bernardino shooter's phone?

in another case (also in the US) when someone drowned last year, fitbit details were provided in an attempt to find the GPS coordinates.

I think that was something different. A parent could use Location Services to track their kids with some apps. Accessing someone's phone is usually a no-go without a warrant if you're needing to look into the actual phone. Location services sends data out of the phone so you don't need the phone to see the data.

[Shorn]

the police can ping your cellphone signal if it's on, much like when you call 911 we get an approximate location through triangulation of cell towers, along with an uncertainty level in meters showing how far you could be from that location. sometimes the uncertainty can be 10 meters which is great but sometimes it can be like 10,000

not saying that's how they found her, just saying that it is possible

[twitchyzero]

consumer-grade GPS is usually worthless in the woods

[mikemhg]

They used K9, I have no doubt about it. That's the most likely scenario how they found her so quickly. A fresh body in Central Park is not difficult to locate if they know the general location with a K9 unit.

[Ch28]

consumer-grade GPS is usually worthless in the woods

Cell phone GPS works fine in Central Park. Did a run along the trail a few weekends ago and it tracked everything perfectly fine on my GPS tracking app (Strava)

[Gh0st]

Death of Marrisa Shen, 13, now considered a homicide, say RCMP - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/marrisa-shen-thursday-update-1.4215019)

this story makes my skin crawl just as much as the elisa lam one.. there's a lot of conflicting information about the video too, whether she was entering or leaving, and whether it was her residence

and how did police find her only 2 hours after she was reported missing, in a densely wooded park at night?

hope they catch whoever did this soon, feel like this has really hit close to home for a lot of people.. RIP to the poor girl :(


that elisa lam story was scary as fuck. still is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=420&v=RH-0Q-Mie5w




so saddened by this story :( Rip poor little girl.

[underscore]

consumer-grade GPS is usually worthless in the woods

A flat park in the middle of a city is hardly "the woods"

[twitchyzero]

Whether or not it's bordered by busy streets and high-density residential areas is irrelevant.

if you try using a GLONASS + GPS running watch or a drone, more likely than not you'll struggle to get a signal.

I'm not talking about the trails, once you go off the path and under the canopy.

Cell phone GPS works fine in Central Park. Did a run along the trail a few weekends ago and it tracked everything perfectly fine on my GPS tracking app (Strava)

A flat park in the middle of a city is hardly "the woods"

[whitev70r]

A 13 yr old tragically died suddenly, cops are treating it as a homicide and a few of you are debating on the effectiveness of GPS in trails vs. the city??!! C'mon give your head a shake guys.

[- kT]

that elisa lam story was scary as fuck. still is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=420&v=RH-0Q-Mie5w




so saddened by this story :( Rip poor little girl.

yeah seriously.. I will never buy that she somehow managed to get onto the locked roof by herself, climb up the water tank in the early hours of the morning, lift a huge lid, and drown, mental health or otherwise. I watched the video once, and I've never really dared watch it again, gives me the creeps through and through. the short video of Marissa gave me the same feeling too

[Hakkaboy]

Am I the only one wondering why the only picture they posted of her is of her wearing a japanese schoolgirl outfit?

[yray]

Cell phone GPS works fine in Central Park. Did a run along the trail a few weekends ago and it tracked everything perfectly fine on my GPS tracking app (Strava)

Yea, cops first thing would be check icloud "find my iphone"

[twitchyzero]

A 13 yr old tragically died suddenly, cops are treating it as a homicide and a few of you are debating on the effectiveness of GPS in trails vs. the city??!! C'mon give your head a shake guys.

natural progression of the discussion on how she's found within a few hours

there's no other developing facts to go on right now

Am I the only one wondering why the only picture they posted of her is of her wearing a japanese schoolgirl outfit?

media probably just pulled her facebook profile pic or something

[CharlesInCharge]

A man in Iran was hung a few weeks ago after he raped and killed a 9 year old girl. In the video (which i wont post) you hear hundreds of people cheering his death and witness what happens to pedophiles.


http://i.imgur.com/PChAoBz.jpg

[hchang]

Interesting how they knew to check the park

[underscore]

Whether or not it's bordered by busy streets and high-density residential areas is irrelevant.

Not really, since areas like that are going to be fairly flat. Go for a hike in a steep valley and then talk about not being able to get a GPS signal. Something like a running watch or drone is going to need a more precise fix, getting a rough spot to start a sniffer dog isn't likely to be a problem.

[JSALES]

RIP. First time seeing something like this happen close in my neighbourhood

[westopher]

A 13 yr old tragically died suddenly, cops are treating it as a homicide and a few of you are debating on the effectiveness of GPS in trails vs. the city??!! C'mon give your head a shake guys.
Its just a discussion. Posting "wow RIP" is no more beneficial to the victims, and the conversation is not being done with any disrespect.
When something tragic happens, its human nature to wonder why, and how.

It is startling how fast this story did unravel from start to finish.

[bcrdukes]

wow RIP

[Manic!]

A man in Iran was hung a few weeks ago after he raped and killed a 9 year old girl. In the video (which i wont post) you hear hundreds of people cheering his death and witness what happens to pedophiles.


http://i.imgur.com/PChAoBz.jpg

And if that girl was left living she would have been killed too for having sex outside marriage.

Also Thats NSFW.

[ImportPsycho]

Gosh.... lack of information is killing me! I'm check news everyday but nothing!
As a father of little girl, I hope they find who is responsible for this:swear:

[dark0821]

Yea, lived right across from Kingsway Sushi... so you can say this hits super super close to home... RIP

Scary though.... being a father of 2... these things just scares the shit out of me, cant imagine what the family and friends are going thru...

[snowball]

It's really disappointing to hear there hasn't been much progress in terms of leads, stay vigilant everyone:

Murder of 13 year old girl was random attack: IHIT - NEWS 1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2017/07/26/murder-13-year-old-girl-random-attack-ihit/)

[douchestang]

Marrisa Shen murder was ?random attack?: police | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/3626737/ihit-and-rcmp-to-give-update-on-marrisa-shen-murder-investigation/)
random attack makes it even worse, less chances to catch someone imo. Like that dude that was killed in Stanley Park not long ago, cops didn't get anyone as far as I know.

There is also an 11yo missing in Stanley Park now
Police Search for Missing Boy | Vancouver Police Department (http://mediareleases.vpd.ca/2017/07/26/police-search-for-missing-boy/)

[MG1]

Yeah, heard that today, too. I hope the two are not connected somehow. It's a nightmare being a parent. Always worried about your children. Such a messed up world we live in. I hope they find the little boy.

[- kT]

they found the boy in new west 5 hours after

Marrisa Shen: A timeline of her disappearance - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/marrisa-shen-a-timeline-of-her-disappearance-1.4223360)

I found this, from another article, interesting too

Today, Supt. Chuck McDonald stepped up those warnings, saying specifically people should "exercise caution around here," meaning the popular 86-hectare urban park where Shen's body was found.

[twitchyzero]

aren't majority of stranger danger random and not pre-meditated?

[Ch28]

they found the boy in new west 5 hours after

Marrisa Shen: A timeline of her disappearance - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/marrisa-shen-a-timeline-of-her-disappearance-1.4223360)

I found this, from another article, interesting too

It's kind of shocking to see warnings like this going out for Central Park. I've lived in the area for like 26 years and always remembered it being so safe during the day and evening. It's sad that the area has turned into a spot where people now need to actively exercise caution

[- kT]

^ I found a few things that referenced a film crew being in the area the night she died. found this shortly after

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/burnaby-rcmp-to-share-updates-at-2-p-m-on-probe-into-marrisa-shens-death

[twitchyzero]

what does IHIT hope to protect by not giving the public more details a week later?

we still dont know where she went...was she just going for a bike ride in the park. or just around the corner to get milk.

where were the parents

was she with friends

content of her last text etc

it's not like this is a gangland shooting where they're coming up with good leads that they're worried about blowing 48-72 hours in, at least the articles suggest they still don't have any good leads right now and that it was just likely done by seedy characters.

[CRS]

aren't majority of stranger danger random and not pre-meditated?

Isn't stranger danger by definition random and not pre-medidated?

:suspicious:

[twitchyzero]

i meant to say potential sexual assault and homicide of minors
stranger danger could still be planned...they planned to pull up to a school in a van, just that a victim hasn't been picked yet. Versus opportunisitc/spur of the moment

[underscore]

Isn't stranger danger by definition random and not pre-medidated?

:suspicious:

A stranger can still fixate on a particular person.

[- kT]

what does IHIT hope to protect by not giving the public more details a week later?

we still dont know where she went...was she just going for a bike ride in the park. or just around the corner to get milk.

where were the parents

was she with friends

content of her last text etc

it's not like this is a gangland shooting where they're coming up with good leads that they're worried about blowing 48-72 hours in, at least the articles suggest they still don't have any good leads right now and that it was just likely done by seedy characters.

exactly what I was thinking, unless they do have a suspect but not enough to press charges as of yet (which is why they're still canvassing the park) - but no autopsy reports, no time of death (to account for the 7 hour window from when she was last seen to when her body was found), whether or not a sexual assault took place, who she last texted at 5pm, etc. they've remained completely tight lipped and thus far have only told people to remain vigilant. parents are completely spooked right now (rightfully so) so any info for the public would be great. don't get it, but I guess time will tell

[Amuse]

11 year old boy biking with family at stanley park and then goes missing.
How does he end up in New West? I don't believe he biked all the way to New West.

Also, in the above article about shady people at Central Park/ Patterson. Is he referring to drug addicts? Homeless people? What kind of people gather there at night?

[Nocardia]

someone must have tipped them off..or an obvious trail left behind

even if they had an idea where to look in the park, no way they'd have enough manpower to canvass at midnight and have near-immediate results.

I was actually passing by the park around 1030 and there was a film crew all down Patterson. Cant say how many were actually in the park but there were lots of vehicles. It wouldn't surprise me if one of the crew happened to come across the body or if they heard there was a missing child and a team went for a walk around.

[Harvey Specter]

Just throwing this out there but could the suspect be a crew member?

[- kT]

^ thought crossed my mind too when i heard there was a film crew, but they've been pretty upfront about their presence there that night, so you'd think the investigators would've thoroughly examined that as potential evidence. you'd hope anyway?

i also read an article a little while back that said the police found her via gps to her phone

[G0rilla]

A friend of mine was on the film crew that night, all film members present that night has had all their information forwarded to the RCMP. It could definitely be a possibility tho, I've heard that there isn't much of a background check and also they hire alot of extras

[twitchyzero]

- last seen alive before 8pm
- homicide occurred in the park
- 90 PoI
- police asking for footage from the vigil and funeral

IHIT narrows timeline on Marrisa Shen homicide, looking for video from vigil and funeral - BC | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/3691655/ihit-narrows-timeline-on-marrisa-shen-homicide-looking-for-video-from-vigil-and-funeral/)

[Wetordry]

so silly, why didnt police record the vigil and funeral in the first place

[68style]

^ How do you know they didn't and just want more angles/perspectives?

[mr_chin]

How can someone find a body at 1 a.m? That person is a suspect.

[twitchyzero]

i'm curious how that tape would help, unless they coerced a suspect into a confession.

the thought of the killer at the memorial makes this just that much more depressing

[smoothie.]

How can someone find a body at 1 a.m? That person is a suspect.

you're never out at 1AM?

[Raid3n]

also it says the body was found by authorities at 1am

[Mr.Money]

so nobody really knows who found the victim...would be sketchy to be anyone else there besides homeless people and drug dealers.

[mr_chin]

you're never out at 1AM?

Not at a park and definitely not out looking for dead bodies.

[iwantaskyline]

Isn't it confirmed the cops found her body...Likely with Find my Iphone.

[Mr.Money]

or pinged the cellphone with the number the parents forwarded and had dogs sniffing the place.

[- kT]

her brother confirmed to media already that gps pinging her phone was how they (police) located her whereabouts so quickly

[twitchyzero]

over 200 tips, 60 cameras and 6 months later

ihit set up a website for her investigation

Marissa Shen (http://marrisashen.org/index.php?link=invest&lang=en)

[ziggyx]

It's not that other homicides are less tragic/important but this one hits home for me since I live in the area and recently had a daughter myself.

I really hope they find the person responsible for this.

[eclipseman]

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/police-to-share-significant-update-in-murder-of-burnaby-teen-marrisa-shen

A man has been arrested and charged in the death of Burnaby teen Marrisa Shen, Postmedia has confirmed.

Ibrahim Ali, 28, is charged with first-degree murder in Shen’s July 2017 death, according to Cpl. Frank Jang with the Integrated Homicide Investigation Team.

The 13-year-old Burnaby girl was reported missing after she failed to return home by 11 p.m. on July 18, 2017. Police launched a search, using GPS to track her phone. In the early morning hours of July 19, 2017, Shen’s body was found in Burnaby’s Central Park.

Soon after, investigators said the murder appeared to be random.

Ali has a court record that includes fraud, dangerous driving, resisting arrest, firearms, and assault causing bodily harm. In 2016, Ali pleaded guilty to dangerous driving causing death and fleeing the accident scene.

Ali is expected in Vancouver Provincial Court on Friday at 9:30 a.m.

IHIT will host a news conference at 10 a.m. on Monday at their Surrey headquarters to share further details.

More to come.

[eclipseman]

https://vancouversun.com/news/crime/un-gangster-involved-in-fatal-hit-and-run-sentenced-to-4-5-years-in-jail

How is this faggot out of jail to commit another murder...for fuck's sake.

[freakshow]

https://vancouversun.com/news/crime/un-gangster-involved-in-fatal-hit-and-run-sentenced-to-4-5-years-in-jail

How is this faggot out of jail to commit another murder...for fuck's sake.

Ali, 26, earlier pleaded guilty to dangerous driving causing death and failure to stop at an accident.

Judge Harbans Dhillon said Ali’s reckless conduct in speeding through a red light last March 9, then absconding afterward, warranted a severe sentence.
A severe sentence is 4.5 years?

[minoru_tanaka]

https://vancouversun.com/news/crime/un-gangster-involved-in-fatal-hit-and-run-sentenced-to-4-5-years-in-jail

How is this faggot out of jail to commit another murder...for fuck's sake.
Dec 2016 to Jul 2017 felt like the shortest 4.5 years of my life......

[Traum]

https://vancouversun.com/news/crime/un-gangster-involved-in-fatal-hit-and-run-sentenced-to-4-5-years-in-jail

How is this faggot out of jail to commit another murder...for fuck's sake.
Exactly -- the sentence was likely handed out some time in Dec 2016, so it had only been around 8 months when the girl was killed. How dafuq was the guy not in jail?!

[Hondaracer]

Known gangster sack of shit kills somone and gets less than 2 years only to go kill another person in cold blood, awesome

[Badhobz]

Ali arrived in Canada as a Syrian refugee

im surprised nobody on here said anything about this yet.

[bcrdukes]

Ali arrived in Canada as a Syrian refugee

im surprised nobody on here said anything about this yet.

Careful now, he's special because he's from war-torn Syria!

#devilsadvocate #seriousbutnotserious

[yray]

look at Sweden

[originalhypa]

I just don't get why he would do this.....
I can understand the motive in the hit and run. Unexpected crash, and he fled the scene of an accident. Murder a rival drug dealer, or someone wearing the wrong colors, okay that's business. But why kill a 13 year old girl in cold blood?

[EmperorIS]

He literally got off the boat from Syria and immediately killed an innocent 13 year old girl.

[Traum]

I just don't get why he would do this.....
I can understand the motive in the hit and run. Unexpected crash, and he fled the scene of an accident. Murder a rival drug dealer, or someone wearing the wrong colors, okay that's business. But why kill a 13 year old girl in cold blood?
Since the suspect has now been charged, I think we're not supposed to publicly speculate on the case or his motives? Otherwise, a good scumbag lawyer will use that discussion to claim some sort of prejudice against the suspect, and ask to have the trial dismissed or something.

(Clearly you can tell I have minimal knowledge in the legal field~ :lawl: )

[snowball]

Are you guys sure this is the same guy? It states on news1130 that he has only been here for 17 months.

[yray]

I just don't get why he would do this.....
I can understand the motive in the hit and run. Unexpected crash, and he fled the scene of an accident. Murder a rival drug dealer, or someone wearing the wrong colors, okay that's business. But why kill a 13 year old girl in cold blood?


PTSD from Syria

who knows... thats for the law courts to find out.

[minoru_tanaka]

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/police-to-share-significant-update-in-murder-of-burnaby-teen-marrisa-shen

A man has been arrested and charged in the death of Burnaby teen Marrisa Shen, Postmedia has confirmed.

Ibrahim Ali, 28, is charged with first-degree murder in Shen’s July 2017 death, according to Cpl. Frank Jang with the Integrated Homicide Investigation Team.

The 13-year-old Burnaby girl was reported missing after she failed to return home by 11 p.m. on July 18, 2017. Police launched a search, using GPS to track her phone. In the early morning hours of July 19, 2017, Shen’s body was found in Burnaby’s Central Park.

Soon after, investigators said the murder appeared to be random.

Ali has a court record that includes fraud, dangerous driving, resisting arrest, firearms, and assault causing bodily harm. In 2016, Ali pleaded guilty to dangerous driving causing death and fleeing the accident scene.

Ali is expected in Vancouver Provincial Court on Friday at 9:30 a.m.

IHIT will host a news conference at 10 a.m. on Monday at their Surrey headquarters to share further details.

More to come.

Are you guys sure this is the same guy? It states on news1130 that he has only been here for 17 months.


I guess the Sun screwed up cause if you click on the Vancouver Sun link, the article is way different now

[vitaminG]

Is a different guy, same name and age. Just heard on news

[Mr.Money]

hopefully he get's killed in jail,lot of times in usa when a child murderer is found out they finish him sooner and later as a honor killing in prison gangs.

[ImportPsycho]

Ali is a Syrian national who came to Canada 17 months ago as a refugee. He is a permanent resident in Canada and has been living and working in Burnaby. He does not have a criminal record.

No record in Canada or no record in Syria?
Doubt we know his history in Syria, I mean, we needed to bring them in as soon as possible right? who has time to check back ground.

I say deport his ass back to Syria, he doesn't even deserve to spend his time in jail on tax payer's money.

[twitchyzero]

the refugees are gonna take a big hit from this scum's atrocities
livid right now, but at least the poor family got closure

[GG]

Ali arrived in Canada as a Syrian refugee

im surprised nobody on here said anything about this yet.

great, this was the reason i was so against taking on refugee.
Why take on someone else's burden and make our country shit?

We got our own problems, its like you dont provide food on the table for your own family, but your neighbors first?

Anyone drove past by east Hastings lately? its got A LOT WORSE now than the last 25 years. It used to be one block, not its 3 blocks east/west bound, and garbage are spreading on to the street...wat the fuck dude


Keep the fucking refugee to themself for god's sake, US dont want them, europe dont want them. Whoever welcomes them, should start inviting them to your home and feed them out of ur own pocket. Until than, talk is cheap

[originalhypa]

Is a different guy, same name and age. Just heard on news

Damn fake news..... and I'm not even kidding either.
That said, it makes me happy that the original Ibrahim Ali could be still in jail.

[minoru_tanaka]

Damn fake news..... and I'm not even kidding either.
That said, it makes me happy that the original Ibrahim Ali could be still in jail.
but they just soiled his name

[bcrdukes]

great, this was the reason i was so against taking on refugee.
Why take on someone else's burden and make our country shit?

We got our own problems, its like you dont provide food on the table for your own family, but your neighbors first?

Anyone drove past by east Hastings lately? its got A LOT WORSE now than the last 25 years. It used to be one block, not its 3 blocks east/west bound, and garbage are spreading on to the street...wat the fuck dude


Keep the fucking refugee to themself for god's sake, US dont want them, europe dont want them. Whoever welcomes them, should start inviting them to your home and feed them out of ur own pocket. Until than, talk is cheap

I tried to ignore this post but it hits home hard. Times have changed, and so have our circumstances, including peoples opinions.

Very few here on RS know that I grew up a few blocks from Main and Hastings. Seeing drug addicts and beggars in and around my neighbourhood was very much a daily occurrence for me growing up. Not to mention the families who went hungry, and parents could not send their kids on field trips, or the problems involving alcohol, drugs, and/or gangs. Oh, let's not forget the needles dumped onto the street after they get their fix, because it was just so normal to make sure we looked for them before playing street hockey or basketball.

I was born in a refugee camp, and my parents lived in a refugee camp for many years before coming to Canada. We came to Vancouver with a bag of clothing, no education, and $50 Canadian that the refugee camp had given my parents. My parents went through adult education, ESL lessons, entered a trade, and raised us to be contributors to society. I worked part time to get myself through school without ever having to ask my parents for money, let alone, get a student loan. I did this to set an example for my siblings not to take anything for granted, and to get what you want by earning it. In fact, I am mentoring Syrian refugee this very day until the end of the year before he finishes his MBA and starts working for us on a full-time basis.

Yes, we have our own problems. Yes, refugees can be a burden, but so can your neighbour next door who holds a Canadian passport. I often do not have a soft spot for refugees because we struggled and worked so hard to earn our spot in the Canadian fabric, but to feel this way towards ALL refugees is disheartening. There are some genuine people out there who really want to improve their lives, not only for themselves, but also for their families, and those around them.

The Canadian government took a huge chance on me and my parents some 30 odd years ago. We are still repaying this debt to this very day. To make a blanket statement like keep refugees out of our country really hurts. I will apologize to you all for being such a burden to Canadian society.

[68style]

^ gg GG

[bcrdukes]

GG

[Badhobz]

but the government didnt give you a handout Duke. We are giving these Syrians a boatload of monies that no other refugee groups/immigrants got.

Thats whats pissing me off about the whole thing.

This piece of shit is just a rotten apple in maybe a barrel full of contributing future canadians. As long as they dont push their religion on any other canadians or become radicalized, i got no problem with syrians.
My issue is WHY THE FUCK ARE WE GIVING THEM A GOD DAMN HANDOUT!?

"That support is generally available for up to a year. The maximum amount provided is $25,000 per family. That includes a one-time start up payment to help refugees establish a household in Canada, as well as monthly income support, a spokesperson for Citizenship and Immigration Canada said.

The monthly payments depend on the size of the family and social assistance rates in each province.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/fact-check-do-refugees-get-more-financial-help-than-canadian-pensioners-1.2670735

Citizenship and Immigration Canada estimates that an individual in Ontario would receive roughly $2,065 in a one-time start-up allowance, to cover things such as basic household needs, furniture, winter clothing and telephone installation if a landline is chosen. The estimated monthly assistance to a refugee in Ontario is $768, but the department notes that individual circumstances vary and so do the monthly payments."

If my family had 780 bucks a month when we got here, my poor ma wouldn't have to have worked in a textile mill ironing fucking shirts for 10 cents a piece. She could have went and got her english upgraded and transferred her medical doctor license from shanghai over. FUCK YOU TRUDEAU

[Hondaracer]

There is a difference between a $50 bill and 8 months in the sandman on Davie.

My grandparents came here not only having zero money in their pocket, they actually owed Canadian immigration $250 plus interest. They created a life much like your family did dukes with hardwork and determination and knowing nothing else.

Now we give refugee's 8 months in $300 a night hotels and run news stories on how it's not comfortable enough for them? fuck right off.

The problem, imo is that a lot of these people (and it could very well be true with this guy) is that their values basically run completely contrary to western values. Hell, even a place like Turkey females are acosted for not being with "their man" etc.

I'm just spit balling here but you get a guy like this over here, and who knows, Maybe he killed the girl simply because she was a woman on her own, living life unaccompanied.

It's not everyone, but a lot of these peoples values dont jive with western society.

[prudz]

If my family had 780 bucks a month when we got here, my poor ma wouldn't have to have worked in a textile mill ironing fucking shirts for 10 cents a piece. She could have went and got her english upgraded and transferred her medical doctor license from shanghai over. FUCK YOU TRUDEAU

I'm confused? You would have preferred your mother struggled and iron shirts rather than get the help we are offering Syrian refugees? Because at the time your family had more of a struggle we should continue to make it a struggle for other struggling families?

:pokerface:

[GS8]

Why were people so critical of the police investigation? I don't feel cops owe the general population any explanations until they feel it's adequate to do so like when they gave an update on the 1 year anniversary. For all investigators knew, this dum cumpster could have fled back to the middle east. You'd be surprised how easy it is to get a court case dismissed which would lead to a massive waste of time, money and energy.

I guess I shouldn't expect any less from the armchair population.

It takes time but glad they found the guy. Hopefully no one else was involved with him (potentially another victim).

[Badhobz]

Yeah, i would Prudz. Unless you're going to give handouts to all the struggling families, why are these syrians so special? I know a lot of people in this city who could use an extra 780 dollars a month. Unless you're going to give it to all, then dont give it to a select group of people. That's discrimination, that's spitting in the faces of all the immigrants/refugees who came before and had to make due with JACK SHIT from the government.

[Hondaracer]

I think they did a great job. I got preoccupied with my refugee rhetoric, i was meaning to say kudos to IHIT in my last post

can only imagine the extent an investigation like this goes to when it takes more than a year to come to a conclusion.

[GG]

I tried to ignore this post but it hits home hard. Times have changed, and so have our circumstances, including peoples opinions.

Very few here on RS know that I grew up a few blocks from Main and Hastings. Seeing drug addicts and beggars in and around my neighbourhood was very much a daily occurrence for me growing up. Not to mention the families who went hungry, and parents could not send their kids on field trips, or the problems involving alcohol, drugs, and/or gangs. Oh, let's not forget the needles dumped onto the street after they get their fix, because it was just so normal to make sure we looked for them before playing street hockey or basketball.

I was born in a refugee camp, and my parents lived in a refugee camp for many years before coming to Canada. We came to Vancouver with a bag of clothing, no education, and $50 Canadian that the refugee camp had given my parents. My parents went through adult education, ESL lessons, entered a trade, and raised us to be contributors to society. I worked part time to get myself through school without ever having to ask my parents for money, let alone, get a student loan. I did this to set an example for my siblings not to take anything for granted, and to get what you want by earning it. In fact, I am mentoring Syrian refugee this very day until the end of the year before he finishes his MBA and starts working for us on a full-time basis.

Yes, we have our own problems. Yes, refugees can be a burden, but so can your neighbour next door who holds a Canadian passport. I often do not have a soft spot for refugees because we struggled and worked so hard to earn our spot in the Canadian fabric, but to feel this way towards ALL refugees is disheartening. There are some genuine people out there who really want to improve their lives, not only for themselves, but also for their families, and those around them.

The Canadian government took a huge chance on me and my parents some 30 odd years ago. We are still repaying this debt to this very day. To make a blanket statement like keep refugees out of our country really hurts. I will apologize to you all for being such a burden to Canadian society.




Hey, times are different now. With the way real estate is going, no one can afford shit in this city. Back than apartment was $100g, a house would cost $200-300g . Now you need 1 mil just for a 2 bed apartment.
The problem with humanity is, people gets jealous. And jealousy brings hatred.
Not many people are willing to go thru the proper channel, and learn a new dialogue, just so they can work at MacDonald? pizza hut? And still be broke as shit?
So to bring on a refugee in, its only going to cost the government more headache and more overhead expense.
We blame the Chinese for coming here, but guess what? They are the one with money, and Vancouver heavily relies on foreign money as we are nothing more than America's little bitches. Who the hell sells oil/lumber to another country and gets sold right back for a higher price? We do
For Asian immigrant, u either gotta be an investor to qualify, or a real useful tool for the government to accept you.

Why are we not using the money helping the homeless issue that we have thru out the greater Vancouver FIRST? With the amount of homeless thats increasing each year, obviously we aint doing enough.


Let me put it this way, poor ppl commit crimes, rich folks....what they gonna do? Rob a poor lady at the grocery store? Or break into someone's car for some chump change?

What is Trudeau trying to do? Turn Canada into a third world country full of cheap labors?

[GG]

Yeah, i would Prudz. Unless you're going to give handouts to all the struggling families, why are these syrians so special? I know a lot of people in this city who could use an extra 780 dollars a month. Unless you're going to give it to all, then dont give it to a select group of people. That's discrimination, that's spitting in the faces of all the immigrants/refugees who came before and had to make due with JACK SHIT from the government.



according to this article, they get $1186 per month per house hold
https://globalnews.ca/news/3518999/how-true-is-it-refugees-get-more-money-for-support-than-pensioners/

not sure about other refugees in the past, if they got any hand outs

[unit]

gg no re

[Traum]

Let me put it this way, poor ppl commit crimes, rich folks....what they gonna do? Rob a poor lady at the grocery store? Or break into someone's car for some chump change?

I can answer this question with a bit of cyncism, and there are a few types:

A) They hire professionals to help them legally dodge taxes, and to invest in borderline illegal white collar activities so that the wealth disparity grows at an ever faster pace. And then when the bubble bursts, they cry foul and go back to the government asking for handouts / bailouts (bcos they are too big to fail).

B) They pour massive amounts of $$$ into political parties and lobby groups such that the various levels of governments can be "influenced" into making policities & decisions that are favourable to their own financial interests at the detriment of others, generally the poorer population.

C) They claim to have low income / no income so that they can milk the government's social benefits to the max. In the mean time, they drive their Mercedes and BMW to the food bank to get "free food".

If you think they aren't robbing the poor blokes for all they are worth, you are sorely mistaken.

[GG]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/syrian-refugees-still-struggling-to-settle-in-toronto-after-year-of-governmentsupport/article34785953/



i dont understand how is shoving the poors into the top 10 most expensive cities in the universe make any god damn sense?

like...HOW

thats right , the new motivation is to learn english, and hopefully get a job at subway and wendy's just so the person can do back to back shift..

:pokerface:

[GG]

I can answer this question with a bit of cyncism, and there are a few types:

A) They hire professionals to help them legally dodge taxes, and to invest in borderline illegal white collar activities so that the wealth disparity grows at an ever faster pace. And then when the bubble bursts, they cry foul and go back to the government asking for handouts / bailouts (bcos they are too big to fail).

B) They pour massive amounts of $$$ into political parties and lobby groups such that the various levels of governments can be "influenced" into making policities & decisions that are favourable to their own financial interests at the detriment of others, generally the poorer population.

C) They claim to have low income / no income so that they can milk the government's social benefits to the max. In the mean time, they drive their Mercedes and BMW to the food bank to get "free food".

If you think they aren't robbing the poor blokes for all they are worth, you are sorely mistaken.



yes i was gonna address that issue, but they do it in a different manner. Not hurting anyone DIRECTLY...

well murdering and petty crime....nothing gonna be as direct as that. I dont view them as serious as taking away a life


the rich get richer, the poor get poorer

[68style]

Yeah, i would Prudz. Unless you're going to give handouts to all the struggling families, why are these syrians so special? I know a lot of people in this city who could use an extra 780 dollars a month. Unless you're going to give it to all, then dont give it to a select group of people. That's discrimination, that's spitting in the faces of all the immigrants/refugees who came before and had to make due with JACK SHIT from the government.

I normally agree with your posts man but... you think something should never improve cuz you didn’t get the same benefits originally? This is the case in many facets of life... my parents didn’t get to fly as kids cuz no one flew... my grandparents didn’t get good medical help or drive anywhere cuz they were poor from the war and the medical system sucked due to lack of technology even tho they paid into it the same if not more than I have..

You can’t expect things to stay the same just cuz you didn’t get a bit extra and now the country is fortunate enough to help out more... maybe they help tooooo much that’s not up to me to decide and open for anyone to debate I’m sure, but this rationale makes no sense if you think nothing should ever improve cuz you specifically didn’t benefit from it.

Same thing in your own family, your parents suffered to come here to give you a better life... but you shouldn’t have a better life cuz they suffered so you should also suffer??? Huh?

[bcrdukes]

We did get a handout when we came to Canada. It was called welfare, the food bank, and social housing. To make the situation even worse, we stayed at the Sylvia Hotel at English Bay for two months.

But the difference is, we had to pay it all back over time. We did not get a $25K stipend like they do today. The cherry on top - it was the original Trudeau who opened up immigration to families like ours to come to Canada. I am extremely grateful for being able to live in Canada, however, I do not agree to how the current refugee situation was handled. Like 68style said, it's not for me to decide, but certainly open for debate. I accept that we don't live in a perfect world, but not everyone out there is a freeloader. People who have already been marginalized by circumstances beyond their control should not have to suffer even further.

[Ludepower]

Syria is getting bombed back into the stone age. Atleast we can help some of them out. How many of them we let in I don't know but to turn a blind eye is uncanadian.

Theres bad apples in every culture and you trump supporters had your pitchforks out waiting to pounce on this type of news.

[Badhobz]

I normally agree with your posts man but... you think something should never improve cuz you didn’t get the same benefits originally? This is the case in many facets of life... my parents didn’t get to fly as kids cuz no one flew... my grandparents didn’t get good medical help or drive anywhere cuz they were poor from the war and the medical system sucked due to lack of technology even tho they paid into it the same if not more than I have..

You can’t expect things to stay the same just cuz you didn’t get a bit extra and now the country is fortunate enough to help out more... maybe they help tooooo much that’s not up to me to decide and open for anyone to debate I’m sure, but this rationale makes no sense if you think nothing should ever improve cuz you specifically didn’t benefit from it.

Same thing in your own family, your parents suffered to come here to give you a better life... but you shouldn’t have a better life cuz they suffered so you should also suffer??? Huh?

i agree with your statements and i also agree with Prudz's statements but how can we justify giving 1 group of refugees handouts over another? i believe if we are to help, then help NEEDY canadians who are borderline starving first. Lets take care of our own and then if we have left over monies, give the immigrants/refugees.

You guys seriously can't think of somebody in your neighbourhood who's Canadian and could use 780 bucks a month? Why arent they getting the handout instead?

[westopher]

A Syrian refugee commits and crime and all of a sudden its representative of all Syrian refugees?
Come the fuck on GG. There are pieces of shit from all cultures, all social groups, all races. The individual is a piece of shit, however the family down the street trying their best to learn English after being FORCED from their country by war, and essentially a guarantee of violence and terror is not at fault because they share a country of birth with this person.
Tell me what your ethnic background is and I'll find you a fucking plethora of criminals, rapists, murderers and thieves from it.

[bcrdukes]

holy shit that's savage :lol

[underscore]

$1186/month/household doesn't seem like that much considering the cost of living these days. Either way I don't see how giving people more assistance than they have in the past so they have a better chance of success is a bad thing.

As for helping out existing Canadians, I don't get why homelessness/etc isn't covered at a national level. Right now every city has to try to deal with it on their own, but they know full well that a) there's a limit to what they can do based on city revenue and b) if they make it too good the homeless from the whole country will head there. Remember when Alberta and Sask gave bus tickets to BC to homeless people? That wouldn't be an issue.

I say deport his ass back to Syria, he doesn't even deserve to spend his time in jail on tax payer's money.

So he can go free and head someplace else? Screw that, put him in jail here and write it off as international peacekeeping or something.

yes i was gonna address that issue, but they do it in a different manner. Not hurting anyone DIRECTLY...

well murdering and petty crime....nothing gonna be as direct as that. I dont view them as serious as taking away a life

They may not do it directly, but they can lead to a loss of life.

[westopher]

It’s not meant to be savage. It’s true though. Chinese, Australian, English, Swiss, German, Swedish, Mexican, American, etc all have examples of barbaric behaviour, and lots of it. If you judge an entire group by the actions of a few, you will live a life of unfounded fear and hatred. It just continues the cycle of hate by marginalizing communities.
Notice how so many terrorist attacks are by first generation Americans, French, etc.
Imagine seeing communities attacking your parents for their race, religion, ethnicity, etc. It doesn’t make such terrible actions justifiable, but it adds fuel to a fire. The isolation is a major motive for these people, most likely.

[welfare]

I can answer this question with a bit of cyncism, and there are a few types:

A) They hire professionals to help them legally dodge taxes, and to invest in borderline illegal white collar activities so that the wealth disparity grows at an ever faster pace. And then when the bubble bursts, they cry foul and go back to the government asking for handouts / bailouts (bcos they are too big to fail).

B) They pour massive amounts of $$$ into political parties and lobby groups such that the various levels of governments can be "influenced" into making policities & decisions that are favourable to their own financial interests at the detriment of others, generally the poorer population.

C) They claim to have low income / no income so that they can milk the government's social benefits to the max. In the mean time, they drive their Mercedes and BMW to the food bank to get "free food".

If you think they aren't robbing the poor blokes for all they are worth, you are sorely mistaken.

Can you explain how these examples actually take poor peoples money away from them?
Like walk me through the logic on this

[welfare]

Theres bad apples in every culture and you trump supporters had your pitchforks out waiting to pounce on this type of news.

Who are the "trump supporters with their pitchforks out"?

[CharlesInCharge]

https://www.revscene.net/forums/705594-canadian-tax-dollars-going-down-drain-russia-pounds-isis.html
Canada was an actor to bring underage girls to Syria so that they can get raped and passed along as sex slaves for hundreds of "jihadis" to abuse. The Zionist plan has been not only to use rape as a weapon against Syrian women by men from many countries, but its also to use those very children impregnated by rape to be used as human shields. This is the world we live in.

The way I see it this rape and murder of the little girl was not a Syrian or Islamic cause which sheep everywhere will be crying about... its the conditioning that the ruling elites have programed.
From my understanding Syrian men were getting monthly payments (ie. from Canada) to join anti Assad terror groups at the beginning, then once the war hit a critical stage of resources drying up these groups had their funding stop and were only working for food. Many child soldiers were recruited (Zionist doctrine as seen in Africa) which I think this guy was probably one of them.

The west opens its arms to Syrians (and Iranians) because they are people that can help infiltrate future middle eastern wars as really Canadians are only to serve for a one world government with isreal as its capital. The whole of the US was envisioned to be a self sustaining military base as isreal is.

American Rape of Vietnamese Women was Considered “Standard Operating Procedure”

I wonder what percentage of those vets came back home to rape American females.

[Badhobz]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EagerSereneHomalocephale-size_restricted.gif
Charles... I just.... Don't.... Uhhh.....

[bcrdukes]

:inoutugh:

[iwantaskyline]

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/refugees/welcome-syrian-refugees/key-figures.html

40,081 Syrian refugees admitted into Canada since 2015. One of them has committed a high profile crime and there is bigoted generalizations of Syrians. He is a piece of shit human being, there are unfortunately many pieces of shit who have committed horrible crimes born with Canadian passports.

Also before any of you bitch about the government giving out free hand outs to refugees, refugees are to pay the government back over a number of years unless privately sponsored.

In the 90's it was Bosnian refugees and in the 80's it was Vietnamese refugees - both groups of refugees have contributed more to the Canadian economy than your average Canadian. Within ten years of arrival the boat people had an unemployment rate 2.3% lower than the Canadian average. One in five had started a business, 99% had successfully applied to become Canadian citizens, and they were considerably less likely than average to receive some form of social assistance

Let's not go back to being the Canada that sent away the thousands of fleeing Jews to their death.

[twitchyzero]

I cant remember off the top of my head
are refugees background checked? medical and criminal history

[bcrdukes]

Thank you for that. Refugees who come to Canada don't just get to hang out and call it a day. They have to pay it back unless sponsored privately.

It took our family a while to pay back the government, but when we managed to pay that final dollar back, it was one of the most memorable moments in our lives. My uncle who came to Canada in the 70s was privately sponsored, but still paid back his sponsor family and treated them like family even until this very day. In fact, he ended up sponsoring two Bosnian families himself whose children ended up becoming doctors, serving overseas with Doctors Without Borders.

[Hondaracer]

I appreciate the sentiment but paying back a government loan is like calling a cop brave for doing his job. That’s what was expected.

https://i.imgflip.com/2ho455.jpg (https://imgflip.com/i/2ho455)via Imgflip Meme Generator (https://imgflip.com/memegenerator)

[ImportPsycho]

I cant remember off the top of my head
are refugees background checked? medical and criminal history

they should but how do you ask refuges from war torn country to submit any documents? Kinda hard when their city halls and what not are burned to ashes... Did they even have valid passport?

[iwantaskyline]

I cant remember off the top of my head
are refugees background checked? medical and criminal history

Google?

Canada is notorious for being extremely strict on their screening. One of the requirements is no single males allowed.

https://globalnews.ca/news/2349421/heres-how-refugees-are-screened-before-arriving-in-canada/

[minoru_tanaka]

$1186/month/household doesn't seem like that much considering the cost of living these days. Either way I don't see how giving people more assistance than they have in the past so they have a better chance of success is a bad thing.I think the problem with today's situation is the picture being painted is Western countries are being extremely generous and tolerant of some extremely intolerant, backwards people who are just plain lazy, greedy and ungrateful with evil murderous hearts

The pictures I remember from before are vietnamese wearing rags floating on a raft or some bosnians kid that some how escaped the extinction of their people. And maybe they didn't complain or maybe no one cared to ask them.

But with these current refugees the picture that got me the most was of a line up of 20 something men in designer clothes, it looks like their just in line for a club. And it's like am I supposed to give them money so they can be in the VIP line?

[vitaminG]

Syrian family living a good life in Surrey (https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/syrian-family-living-a-good-life-in-surrey)

This family getting $4700 a month, and they're still complaining. Dad says can't work cause he can't speak English then he goes to English class and says it wasn't helpful. Then complains he wants to lease some farmland but he can't find any. I can't see any incentive to work when you're making almost 5k tax free. Why not have 8 kids instead and let us pay for them.

Just the sense of entitlement like Canadian taxpayers owe you a comfortable life

[Manic!]

People use to talk about the lazy Irish the wops the Jews japs and paki's the same. Same B.S. different ethnicity. My understanding many Syrians where well off before the war so it's not going to be the same as a refugee coming from a 3rd world country.

https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/galleries/2014/11/014534_14_problem_solved-2/photo_slideshow_max.jpg?1417105292

[vitaminG]

People use to talk about the lazy Irish the wops the Jews japs and paki's the same. Same B.S. different ethnicity. My understanding many Syrians where well off before the war so it's not going to be the same as a refugee coming from a 3rd world country.

I don't understand the point you are trying to make here. Those groups you've described weren't refugees and didn't get any handouts. They obviously had to work hard or they wouldn't have been successful immigrants. What the difference does it make if Syrians were well off before? What does that have to do with anything?

[welfare]

New policy initiatives in the works from our high minded liberal government
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-federal-report-calls-for-special-treatment-of-immigrants

A policy paper called “Feminist Government” calls for small and medium-sized businesses to partner with government to help immigrants get a job using what they call a “Social Impact Bond.” The idea comes from a division of the Privy Council Office, which reports directly to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

Unlike other job grant programs, this one seeks to have small and medium-sized businesses become social service agencies that work with government in a very complex scheme. The proposal includes using money to make sure immigrants, especially immigrant women, not only get their first job but are promoted, or as the report says, experience “job laddering.”


“Under the Social Impact Bond model, the government and employers, with input from stakeholders including job agencies, would first agree on the specifics of what a successful outcome for an ‘initial hire’ or ‘job laddering’ would look like,” the report reads.

“A monetary value would be assigned to each outcome, to be paid to the employer on completion, and a third-party evaluator would monitor the number of successful outcomes.”

Okay, let’s unpack that from bureacratese.

Canadian taxpayers would pay Canadian employers to give special treatment in hiring immigrants for their first job. Then if the business promoted those people, they would be paid special incentives.

All the while, the employers would have to work with government bureaucrats, job agencies and third-party evaluators to make sure they met plans dreamed up at the highest levels of the civil service. Meaning people that have no idea what it is like to run a small business.

[Manic!]

I don't understand the point you are trying to make here. Those groups you've described weren't refugees and didn't get any handouts. They obviously had to work hard or they wouldn't have been successful immigrants. What the difference does it make if Syrians were well off before? What does that have to do with anything?

When you think of refugees you don't think of people wearing designer clothing. The Jews where refuges but we sent there boat back to Germany. It's the same B.S. comments. Their barbarians their religion is weird they cant speak English etc.

[Badhobz]

Syrian family living a good life in Surrey (https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/syrian-family-living-a-good-life-in-surrey)

This family getting $4700 a month, and they're still complaining. Dad says can't work cause he can't speak English then he goes to English class and says it wasn't helpful. Then complains he wants to lease some farmland but he can't find any. I can't see any incentive to work when you're making almost 5k tax free. Why not have 8 kids instead and let us pay for them.

Just the sense of entitlement like Canadian taxpayers owe you a comfortable life

8 friggin kids... 8 ! Why are we paying for 8 kids?!?!

[GG]

^

they know how to fuck?

poor people's mentality, the more kids u have ...the more support u get.

child benefit x 8 kids = pure profit

Families with children under age six will receive an annual tax-free benefit of up to $6,400 per child. Those with children between the ages of six and 17 will receive up to $5,400 annually


so $6400 x 8 = $51,200 per year

[freakshow]

At least no one is defending illegal immigration.. that's just bonkers

[ImportPsycho]

^

they know how to fuck?

poor people's mentality, the more kids u have ...the more support u get.

child benefit x 8 kids = pure profit

Families with children under age six will receive an annual tax-free benefit of up to $6,400 per child. Those with children between the ages of six and 17 will receive up to $5,400 annually


so $6400 x 8 = $51,200 per year

here I am, with only one child, thinking I can't afford to have 2nd one...
We would not survive 50% pay cut during maternity leave and added cost when 2nd one is born. Wife works graveyard shift so she can be home during the day to watch the kid, when I'm at work during day time.
I'm missing out so much free money!!!!

All jokes aside, to all you who thinks having many kids draining tax money, think of this way.
8 kids today is 8 tax payers in 20 years.
Look no further than how doomed Japan will be in near future.
Canada will make that money back in tenfold in income tax.
When they start paying 50% in tax for every dollar they make, they are going to wish they stayed in Syria.

[CivicBlues]

Doesn't anyone else remember the Vietnamese gang wars of the 90s-early 2000s? Who were these guys? Mostly young male refugees and sons of refugees.

This isn't really a nationality problem. It's mostly a young male "I'm bored and I'm hot shit" problem.

[Nlkko]

Regarding security check, it still takes over 1 year now for security screen. CIC check database globally (US, Interpol, local law enforcement). Any red flag and the application go into a loop for more check. They also do medical check. This is for all immigrants, refugees or not. This incident is unfortunate and tragic but CIC is doing a fantastic job. Canada has one of the toughest and lengthiest security screen in the world.

It really is pathetic that some of you are picking on refugees. Sitting in your comfortable pad pulling anecdotal stories and try to paint the whole population of over 40k people with the same brush. These people are literally escaping bombs dropped over their head and certain deaths.

"Taking on all the bad people and make our country shit." Some of them having bad attitudes don't mean the rest of them aren't out there hustling making a new life and contributing. I wish people have a basic understanding of statistic so they can stop spouting such nonsense.

These "handouts" are loans that they are required by law to pay back. I admire people who do private sponsorship. I wouldn't do it myself but the government can take a portion of my tax and help these people any day of the year.

[Hondaracer]

I’m sure local records are very much intact coming from cities that are flattened by bombs

[Badhobz]

These "handouts" are loans that they are required by law to pay back. I admire people who do private sponsorship. I wouldn't do it myself but the government can take a portion of my tax and help these people any day of the year.

where does it say that these are loans required to be paid back? These aint loans, these are free handouts to get these guys "on their feet" so they may become productive canadians in the future.

[Hondaracer]

Let’s get real, the families that stayed in the sandman for 8 months and were complaining about their comfort ain’t paying back the $250 a night once they leave.

[originalhypa]

Thanks to Westopher and Manic, my white guilt is crippling today.

https://owned.com/media/?adjusted?/postblock/image/2/4/0/4/24046.jpg

[68style]

I should ask the unemployed asian kid who just moved in next door to me at my condo if my privileged white ass can wash his Huracan for extra money on weekends :D

[Badhobz]

do it!!!! all the while singing ching chong ling long ting tong at him.

[vitaminG]

All jokes aside, to all you who thinks having many kids draining tax money, think of this way.
8 kids today is 8 tax payers in 20 years.
Look no further than how doomed Japan will be in near future.
Canada will make that money back in tenfold in income tax.
When they start paying 50% in tax for every dollar they make, they are going to wish they stayed in Syria.

Ya maybe, or maybe it will be 8 more people who learned work ethic from their parents and milk the system for generations. There's no shortage of people who want to come here and actually work and not get handouts. So if Canada simply needed the population there's no problem getting it

[winson604]

Doesn't anyone else remember the Vietnamese gang wars of the 90s-early 2000s? Who were these guys? Mostly young male refugees and sons of refugees.

This isn't really a nationality problem. It's mostly a young male "I'm bored and I'm hot shit" problem.

Yes, I do remember those days, that was my era lol.

I was briefly watching the first few mins of a TED talk video yesterday about an ex MS 13 gang member who has left the gang talking about how the gang was formed in the first place. Newly immigrated kid in a new country, no English, no friends, bullied because he was different, then eventually met other like minded people in the same boat and the bullied eventually became the bullies.

My point is I don't or maybe I just want to believe most people just sit around and be like shiet bruh I'm bored, let's be gangstas and do crazy shit. There are often events that trigger this, doesn't make it any more right but it's more than just "i'm bored and i'm hot shit"

[bcrdukes]

This reminds me - I need to re-watch The Young and Dangerous.

[westopher]

Thanks to Westopher and Manic, my white guilt is crippling today.

Me telling someone not to hate an entire culture for the actions of members that belong to it isn't equivalent to telling you to feel bad for being white.
If anything its telling you the opposite. I don't feel bad for the atrocities that white people committed over the years, however I make the choice not to commit those myself. Its actually pretty fucking easy.

[iwantaskyline]

Ya maybe, or maybe it will be 8 more people who learned work ethic from their parents and milk the system for generations. There's no shortage of people who want to come here and actually work and not get handouts. So if Canada simply needed the population there's no problem getting it

You can look at the data of the previous group of refugees from the 70's/80's/90's. They have all contributed more to the Canadian economy than your average Canadian.

I don't understand why people make assumptions or only take in anecdotal evidence when we live in a world where information is so widely available. There have been numerous studies on previous groups of refugees who have entered Canada, you can find all the data online.

[twitchyzero]

Doesn't anyone else remember the Vietnamese gang wars of the 90s-early 2000s? Who were these guys? Mostly young male refugees and sons of refugees.

This isn't really a nationality problem. It's mostly a young male "I'm bored and I'm hot shit" problem.

there's also a bunch of Indo-Canadian gangs, i dont feel like the youth gangs are directly related to the refugee problem, though many of their parents were evidently selling drugs to get by sure didn't help

and even if there's a direct correlation, the worst thing is maiming each other and not affecting bystanders, far from killing a teenage girl

[twitchyzero]

local Syrian community to hold vigil for fears of backlash

https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/2018/09/11/syrian-community-plans-vigil-for-slain-burnaby-teen-marrisa-shen-following-news-that-the-suspect-is-from-syria.html

[winson604]

This reminds me - I need to re-watch The Young and Dangerous.

Fuck Y&D, remember Dragon Boys!?! lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdZUBBOU5To

[mb_]

Came in here to read discussions about the murder.... still waiting lol

[originalhypa]

Came in here to read discussions about the murder.... still waiting lol

There is no news, at least until he goes to court tomorrow.
I gotta say though, the banter is great. Folks get a little restless in the forums when the authorities don't give us any new info to post.

:awwyeah:

[yray]

Came in here to read discussions about the murder.... still waiting lol

don't worry, there will be a publication ban coming soon

Same thing happened to the japanese chick that got killed at gabriola mansion

[AzNightmare]

Fuck Y&D, remember Dragon Boys!?! lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdZUBBOU5To

I really enjoyed this 2 ep series.

[Ch28]

Fuck Y&D, remember Dragon Boys!?! lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdZUBBOU5To

I enjoyed this show. Too bad it was so short lived

[Acura604]

Unconfirmed Trudeau quote... .if true.. er... awk...w..a..r.d......


https://i.imgur.com/ySxv0Cd.jpg

[68style]

Pretty sure it's fake, the grammar isn't even correct

[Blueboy222]

<3

[Mr.Money]

are you saying the Muslim Syrians do not approve of Canadians showing shoulders because Allah said so Zyzzjr?

[Badhobz]

It was the girl's and her parents' faults for allowing this to happen. There are a few different reasons for this. Firstly, as a female, why was she out of the house without supervision from a male relative? It is not proper for a woman to be gallivanting around in the streets. Next, why was she dressed in an inappropriate manner? If she or her parents had an ounce of honour, she would not be in public without at least her hair, legs, and arms covered.

https://i.imgur.com/U7Ghu2s.gif?noredirect

jnesss
https://i.imgur.com/BxrN3.gif

[ImportPsycho]

https://i.imgur.com/U7Ghu2s.gif?noredirect

jnesss
https://i.imgur.com/BxrN3.gif

let me know when zyzzjr loses loved one, i'll be sure to make a joke about it too.

[GS8]

After reading this thread, I'm tempted to start referring to people from Surrey as Surrians.

:fullofwin:

[Hondaracer]

After reading this thread, I'm tempted to start referring to people from Surrey as Surrians.

:fullofwin:

Surrey isn’t nice enough for refugees

[twitchyzero]

don't worry, there will be a publication ban coming soon

Same thing happened to the japanese chick that got killed at gabriola mansion

the guy was a refugee? I did remember it be a middle eastern guy

[pinn3r]

https://i.imgur.com/U7Ghu2s.gif?noredirect

Jokes are supposed to be funny.

Don't know about you, but that wasn't funny.

[twitchyzero]

what a roller coaster ride across these 8 pages

first the sad news, then WTF police do y0 jawb!!? then shit turned political and personal real quick

can we isolate the garbage to the Trump/Eminem thread?

thank you.

[yray]

the guy was a refugee? I did remember it be a middle eastern guy

nah, white redneck

[haha13]

The perpetrator photo:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/accused-killer-of-b-c-teen-described-as-new-to-canada-normal-guy-1.4092383

[SpeedStars]

So it appears from reading the news article above, he may have killed her due to his personal beliefs about females...looks like zyzzjr wasn't actually that far off

[Traum]

So it appears from reading the news article above, he may have killed her due to his personal beliefs about females...looks like zyzzjr wasn't actually that far off
From where in the article are you interpreting that from? Cuz I certainly can't see anything that even remotely suggest that.

If anything, the 1st degree murder charge might be more indicative on what might have happened.

[CivicBlues]

So it appears from reading the news article above, he may have killed her due to his personal beliefs about females...looks like zyzzjr wasn't actually that far off

Where does it say anything about his personal beliefs? We won't know anything until the trial starts, if even.


Unless you're talking about this quote:
"We know what radicals in Syria do to women and children," the friend said. "I never expected someone in this family would [allegedly] do something like this."

Which is just pure speculation from a "friend"

[minoru_tanaka]

The perpetrator photo:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/accused-killer-of-b-c-teen-described-as-new-to-canada-normal-guy-1.4092383
No job and pictured wearing a tuxedo.........

[vitaminG]

^ article said he had a job

[Hondaracer]

Have to share this story as it really couldn’t have worked out more perfect..

So with my job I go into peoples homes all day for service work. Today I went to a housing coop in Burnaby.

My first customer was an older native woman, as soon as I saw her I know the type of person. Unkept, missing a few teeth, dressed like she wasn’t going out today. Go to her apartment, it’s as I expect. Cluttered with garbage, hasn’t been vacuumed in months, she has her spot she sits and smokes and is already clearly getting assistance via the coop on top of whatever else.

Later that day, actually back to back, in the same building I had another appointment with a man who turned out to be a refugee from Syria, allepo specifically. He had been a lawyer there *apperently but I have no reason to doubt him. He lived with at least one child and a wife I believe.

He spoke great English with complete comprehension, he was engaging and personable, and took an interest in my work. He cared to learn and see how things were put together (honestly maybe one of the only people to take this care)

He offered me tea clearly as a “welcoming gesture” and apologized more than once for not having a coffee table and more furnishings. His apartment was clean and organized and not one I don’t take my boots off for. He thanked me as I left and i welcomed him to call me if he need assistance

Edit* oh and the kicker of it all, and I was literally thinking of this thread as this was transpiring, he acknowledged that the the govt was providing this for him..(not that he had to by any means)

So, you have the people who could honestly claim this is “their land” and they have been here the longest

And another person who couldn’t be newer.

:pokerface:

[whitev70r]

^ Thanks for sharing. Although there is potential for stereotyping, immigrants and refugees are one of the most motivated groups to give a hand up.

[Mr.Money]

i'd kiss some Canadian ass too if i had fucking mortars risking my families lives,let alone my own,but at least i would die for my country.

that is what is happening over there,a war for land & greedy wealth.

[sp00n]

Someone threw coffee on some of the protesters

https://mobile.twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1040975836076224513

[CharlesInCharge]

He calls a women flaunting her ass as Muslim. This is propaganda in the works.
Have to share this story as it really couldn’t have worked out more perfect..



:pokerface:This is like Hitler Trump logic.
The Arab is so superior that if he had his parents taken away from him as a child and also indoctrinated in Zionist schooling and Hollywood programming... he'd over come poverty, be clutter-less, not a smoker... bearing children to live with him and after all, become a lawyer.

[ImportPsycho]

CREEPY: Trudeau Chuckles, Smirks, When Asked About Ibrahim Ali Being Arrested In Murder Of Marrisa Shen... (https://www.spencerfernando.com/2018/09/18/creepy-trudeau-chuckles-smirks-when-asked-about-ibrahim-ali-being-arrested-in-murder-of-marrisa-shen/)

https://twitter.com/macleans/status/1041839011185270786


Justin Trudeau ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[iwantaskyline]

He should have asked Trudeau to apologize to that Belgium tourist's family who was murdered in BC as well!

https://globalnews.ca/news/4457564/amelie-christelle-sakkalis-first-degree-murder/

She was murdered by this born and bred Canadian.

https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/sm1.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=450

[westopher]

I think that murder is technically Brian Mulroney’s fault since he was Primeminister when that guy was born here.

[twitchyzero]

that's just how he talks, reaching headline is reaching

[yray]

I DEMAND AN APOLOGY FROM THE CHINESE FOR JACKING UP RE PRICES. I ALSO DEMAND AN APOLOGY FROM THE CHINESE FOR BREEDING THAT GUY THAT RIP OFF THAT GUYS FACE ON THE GREYHOUND BUS.

[welfare]

Damn. Seems like everybody looking for one of those legendary sincere apologies

[Verdasco]

not going to lie, the police are doing a great job on finding these killers. How the F do they pin point to the exact person so easy?

[Vansterdam]

Damn. Seems like everybody looking for one of those legendary sincere apologies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJhPLGMhRuQ

[Hakkaboy]

not going to lie, the police are doing a great job on finding these killers. How the F do they pin point to the exact person so easy?

DNA?

[underscore]

DNA can only be used for confirmation though, since you need to have the person to compare the sample to.

[Hakkaboy]

DNA can only be used for confirmation though, since you need to have the person to compare the sample to.

Probably someone ratted that person out 2 weeks before charges were laid, and then they were able to obtain a dna sample to compare to the crime scene once that person is on their radar and then make the necessary charges afterwards

[Ch28]

DNA?

This isn't an episode of CSI. You can't just precisely pinpoint who the killer is from a sample of DNA retrieved from the crime scene lol

[westopher]

Cameras everywhere
Smartphone location services
Debit/credit purchases.

I’m not saying by any stretch that it’s easy, but it’s easier than it’s ever been to tell who has been where, when.

[vitaminG]

Lol actually they kind of are by using genealogy web sites.

This is just the beginning': Using DNA and genealogy to crack years-old cold cases (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/just-beginning-using-dna-genealogy-crack-years-old-cold-cases-n892126)

[Hakkaboy]

This isn't an episode of CSI. You can't just precisely pinpoint who the killer is from a sample of DNA retrieved from the crime scene lol

I thought we were talking about Marrissa Shen or something else?

By "crime scene" I meant on her body. Hope I don't have to elaborate/speculate any further since she's only 13 years old

[Mr.Money]

i'd let you guys know but you might use the info the wrong way... :pokerface:

[ImportPsycho]

Cameras everywhere
Smartphone location services
Debit/credit purchases.

I’m not saying by any stretch that it’s easy, but it’s easier than it’s ever been to tell who has been where, when.

They can find a killer who committed a murder in middle of the woods but they can't find the shooter who shot and killed a teen with stray bullet on busy Broadway...

Why wont they release how they found him?

[twitchyzero]

1. court rulings are not completed yet

2. why would they provide the details? that weakens investigative techniques and provides an opportunity for murderers to be to foil them. More details may be revealed if this was featured on an A&E, Netflix etc. documentary years/decades down the road...doing it any earlier would be pre-mature

[CharlesInCharge]

Could be he was a former Al Nusra "moderate rebel" under Canadian pay... that would be like putting a high offending rapist into a neighbourhood and for a rape to happen... then wonder who could be capable of this crime and how can we bait him to respond in his guilt.

[welfare]

1. court rulings are not completed yet

2. why would they provide the details? that weakens investigative techniques and provides an opportunity for murderers to be to foil them. More details may be revealed if this was featured on an A&E, Netflix etc. documentary years/decades down the road...doing it any earlier would be pre-mature

I would say 1 for sure.
could be wrong but I doubt there's any techniques from this case that haven't been shown on Forensic Files

[underscore]

It's been a while since I watched a show like that, but aren't most of those cases from 20+ years ago and usually the killer knows the victim and did something stupid to get caught?

[minoru_tanaka]

This isn't an episode of CSI. You can't just precisely pinpoint who the killer is from a sample of DNA retrieved from the crime scene lol

They caught the Night Stalker earlier this year by submitting his DNA to GEDmatch, found his relatives narrowed it down to him and then went through his garbage until they got his sample

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_State_Killer#Joseph_James_DeAngelo

[originalhypa]

They can find a killer who committed a murder in middle of the woods but they can't find the shooter who shot and killed a teen with stray bullet on busy Broadway...


It makes me think that the professional killer covered his tracks much better than the ignorant Syrian killing little girls.

[mikemhg]

Guys, this is the reason why is we consider folks innocent until proven guilty. This is exactly why when someone is accused of something, they're already considered guilty by the public, even if information comes out contrary to that.

I'm VERY skeptical about this case. As it stands this guy has not been proven guilty. The RCMP have shown in MANY cases in BC for decades now the lack of ability to solve crimes such as this one, I think we should wait until the case has completed, and we see the evidence they carry to indicate this man's guilt.

As expected, this case is already being used by the Conservatives to attack Trudeau, and the man has not even been found guilty.

I am very interested in seeing the evidence here, and how they came to the conclusion that this man committed the crime in question.

[Hondaracer]

I would think the evidence is overwhelming otherwise they would have not announced it. It already took a year, what’s another week or month to build a case if that’s what they needed

[originalhypa]

I have a buddy who is part of IHIT. He says if it was up to them that they wouldn't release anything to the public. No good comes from the population knowing the gruesome details of violent crime. So on one hand we have the media who wants to report everything, and the police who want to report nothing. What we see is a middle ground that doesn't please anyone.

[welfare]

It's been a while since I watched a show like that, but aren't most of those cases from 20+ years ago and usually the killer knows the victim and did something stupid to get caught?

Yea i dunno. Almost every episode seemed to have some pretty distinct method for linking the perpetrator to the crime. Thought was kinda their bread and butter

[twitchyzero]

then went through his garbage until they got his sample


is this where your garbage on private property = illegal for search, but curbside = free for all?

Guys, this is the reason why is we consider folks innocent until proven guilty. This is exactly why when someone is accused of something, they're already considered guilty by the public, even if information comes out contrary to that.

I'm VERY skeptical about this case. As it stands this guy has not been proven guilty. The RCMP have shown in MANY cases in BC for decades now the lack of ability to solve crimes such as this one, I think we should wait until the case has completed, and we see the evidence they carry to indicate

charges have been laid for a first-degree murder (premeditated), something tells me they have pretty convincing evidence

gonna take your second statement with a grain of salt...when was the last time a child was killed in a Canadian urban park in the mobile phone/CCTV age?

[iwantaskyline]

It took them over a year to build a case. DNA, cameras, cell phone GPS location data - who knows what nailed it for them but I don't think they got it wrong.

The crime being committed in an urban park meant the suspect most definitely lived nearby the area. There is a huge number of men in the area but with profiling they were probably able to narrow it down to a number where they had the man-power to keep tabs on persons of interest for the year.

I had a tinfoil hat thought that the government has a DNA database of refugees they let in and that's how they were able to DNA match this guy...

[twitchyzero]

already been reported the 'alleged' murderer wasn't on the radar until 2 weeks before he was charged
that's after thousands of hours of footages, hundreds of interviews, thousands of PoI

[iwantaskyline]

^No that's not true. They stated they "zeroed" in on him in the last two weeks because of new evidence - that does not mean he was not a person of interest before that.

I'd be very surprised if he was never a person of interest as he and his family live nearby Central Park.

[Mr.Money]

you guys forgot plenty of homeless people might be roaming that same night.

pretty sure a guy with brown skin or what,would be remembered and stick out like a sore thumb.

the homeless could've saw the flyer hanging up days later leading up and finally remembered something off around that time.
If there was more than one witness to his skin color they would easily believe there's the suspects color and narrow down the search area of local location on computer data base map.


than police asking questions if the "Syrian" guy was home this night and at this time,or "if his attitude changed or is acting fucked up lately" After going as a team one by one knocking doors in the area crime scene near by.

[twitchyzero]

central park is literally pitch black at night
skin colour would hardly be an identifying factor
esp if he was wearing a hoody/hat and was in the videos from cameras nearby the park

[mikemhg]

It just does not make sense to me that a man fleeing Syria, who has been vetted, would come here only to end up killing a young girl after a short time being here.

It just doesn't make sense.

All I'm saying is we should show caution on a man that is innocent until proven guilty. An entire community of refugees should not be tarnished based on charges laid on this guy. A jury has not found this man guilty, but yet we are talking as if he is, and that Trudeau has blood on his hands.

We know this will be politicized in the election next year, and the irony is, the trial on these charges may likely not have even started by election date. What if this man is found not guilty? None of that will matter because an entire community's reputation will already be tarnished.

[mikemhg]

By the way, the people who are posting about the investigation taking a "year". So?

Have you folks never heard of police simply choosing a scapegoat in order to close a case to appease the public? This has happened countless times, it would not surprise me in a high profile case such as this one.

Look how long the investigation of Robert Pickton went on? To this day there are folks that believe he was used as a scapegoat, and that his brother, along with Hell's Angels associates were the main culprits for many of these murdered women found on his farm.

[welfare]

It just does not make sense to me that a man fleeing Syria, who has been vetted, would come here only to end up killing a young girl after a short time being here.

It just doesn't make sense.


Maybe he was a killer back in Syria.
As it's been said, kinda hard to vet when someone comes from a place where likely much of what little data there was could have been destroyed.

[welfare]

while we're spitballing, my guess is the guy committed another crime, got caught, and they matched his dna to the previous crime scene.

Or maybe he's completely innocent.
Who knows.

[twitchyzero]

It just does not make sense to me that a man fleeing Syria, who has been vetted, would come here only to end up killing a young girl after a short time being here.

It just doesn't make sense.


the public knows so little about his MO
so why are you trying to make sense of it
it's even more pointless trying to do so from a Western perspective
we don't know what he's been through...he's a war refugee after all...may be he's seen shit that's really fucked him up...may be he has many other victims before this...we really don't know nor have reliable data from a judicial system that's likely of low priority in a civial war 5 years+

I agree we should keep politics out of this, let's hope justice gets served though if the evidence ends up being unequivocal