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https://youtu.be/xXVa5fjD77w

[carisear]

my expectations for this are suuuuuuuuuuuper low. the trailers aren't helping me get pumped either.

I hate prequels.

[SkinnyPupp]

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[SkinnyPupp]

Really though I have a good feeling about this series. CBS is taking their online content platform seriously, as you could see with their first series The Good Fight.

For me it all depends on if they are going the "turn off your brain" ways of the JJ Abrams series, or the more dramatic and interesting series like TNG and DS9. That's what it all comes down to for me. I don't want to "turn off my brain" for Star Trek.

[jackmeister]

seems more like a movie trailer than one for a series

[CivicBlues]

Those are supposed to be Klingons? What in the actual fuck??

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah they are trying way too hard to make it look like an action movie. I hope it's like a lot of trailers that do that, and the real show isn't how the trailer is.

Most network TV trailers at the end of episodes are SO over the top with the hype, I usually don't even watch them.

I really like the new Klingon look too. They look more like aliens now, rather than dudes wearing makeup on their foreheads SeemsGood

[CivicBlues]

Iono, I can't get over the fact that one of them looks like Murdoc's avatar

https://www.revscene.net/forums/customavatars/avatar14809_13.gif

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAEDGVOV0AEl3QS.jpg

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https://youtu.be/ZyyutE7jVTc

[fsy82]

I believe the premier is tonight

[SkinnyPupp]

SO HYPED FOR TONIGHT :D

[keifun]

Was just watching this. Its been a while since I have watched a show on old school TV. Damn I can't stand all those commercials in between. Good thing there's other good shows on Netflix too.

[fsy82]

what did you guys think?

[rice cooker]

just watched first 2 eps. i gotta say minus the ugly klingon redesigns, the show is actually pretty good. cant wait to watch the rest

[SkinnyPupp]

I feel like the first 2 episodes were overly cinematic, and the real show starts next week.

[dapperfied]

Nerds at work are getting boners over this.

[fsy82]

I thought it was well done. It feels refreshing. I like how they are staying with the original timeline/universe from TNG, Voyager and DS9. Still scientific with the action in it.

[murd0c]

it really seemed like a movie, I only watched the first episode and seems ok so far. It's going to take a bit to get the feeling of it all I think. I do like how my Klingon brother's haven't been seen in 100 years.

All hail the Klingon overlords!!

[SkinnyPupp]

In TNG they really went into the culture of Klingons. They used their culture as an allegory for traditional cultures that exist today. A lot of the stories revolved around Worf's struggle with wanting to exist in traditional culture, but also move away from it into a more inclusive modern culture.

In Discovery, they're just scary aliens.

[murd0c]

lets hope that will change as the season goes on

[rsx]

I'm okay with this so far. So far, not a big fan of Michael.

[DragonChi]

They spent like 8 million dollars per episode. It looks like it too. I wonder how the rest of the season will turn out. FYI, outside North America, this show is in Netflix.

[carisear]

am I the only person who thought it was just okay? well better than okay, but not great or anything?

yes, I love that there's finally another ST. however, i'm sick of freaking prequels. Also from the previews for the rest of the season, it looks very average.

I sure hope i'm wrong though! i'm a huge ST fan, and would love for it to awesome.

So far Michael has not grown on me yet ... however I do like her 100000000000000000000x more than janeway (and anyone in voyager except 7...) I hope the rest of the regular cast will be decent.

[Ch28]

The space battle was wicked and this show has definitely been way better than expected.

[SkinnyPupp]

The actual episodes are definitely better, although I spent most of ep4 half asleep so I'll have to check it out again (been having issues with sleep lately)

I like Burnham and most of the cast so far. I really like that skinny guy

[ZN6]

Are they going to prequel to the first moon landing? Thought it was pretty interesting that Enterprise opening feature sailing ships when I first saw it. I was like WTF? Coming from TOS, I got used to always seeing the main ship/base.

It's been a road time. Gettin' from there to here.

[Manic!]

Anyone else spot the tribble in EP3?

[Ch28]

I like Burnham and most of the cast so far. I really like that skinny guy

Lt. Saru is one of the best characters on the show.

[DragonChi]

LOL, threat tenticles!

I love how they referenced; wright brothers, elon musk, and tom cochran.

Also, tarigardes!

[SkinnyPupp]

LOL, threat tenticles!

I love how they referenced; wright brothers, elon musk, and tom cochran.

Also, tarigardes!
Zefram Cochrane, the inventor of warp travel, but yeah EleGiggle

[gilly]

Amazing series. Highly recommend even if you are not a hardcore Star Trek fan.

[fsy82]

was yesterday's episode a first for swearing and a gay couple on star trek? i dont think ive seen it on any other series of star trek

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Star Trek: Discovery drops franchise's first f-bombs (http://ew.com/tv/2017/10/16/star-trek-discovery-fuck/?utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_facebook_entertainmentweekly)

[DragonChi]

Might as well start throwing out alien titties.

Not sure if those fbombs were required. I felt like it detracted from the show.

[fsy82]

Might as well start throwing out alien titties.

Not sure if those fbombs were required. I felt like it detracted from the show.

agreed..i was not definitely not expecting it..didnt fit to be honest in star trek

[EmperorIS]

Star Trek is supposed to be about the pinnacle of human evolution where level headed thinking and reasoning prevails. Dropping that F bomb is just stupid.

[MG1]

It was definitely out of place......... now that fucking Harry Mudd. I can see him dropping one or two or a dozen. And, those two weren't gay.......... :troll:

Gaydars don't work in space. Sensors are down. Gulolol.

[bobbinka]

I don't see any issues with it. One of the main points of this series is to show that things ARENT so perfect as it has always been portrayed. Sure enough, people will still swear in the future.

I think they picked a time to use it when they thought it would be least offensive or vulgar (ie. pairing it with something positive "fucking cool") rather than what we're used to hearing (ie. fuck you you fucking piece of shit), which is why people find it "out of place".

[SkinnyPupp]

Star Trek is supposed to be about the pinnacle of human evolution where level headed thinking and reasoning prevails. Dropping that F bomb is just stupid.
This is very early though right? Basically humans have just overcome being shitty warmongers, discovering warp, and just starting to explore the galaxy. There seems to be some 'leftovers' in this series.

Also they have sworn in the movies, even Data which was a great gag EleGiggle

As for gay couples, they've had everything from gay to straight to everything in between, including Riker falling in love with an asexual being (which was an allegory for a gay human in an amazing episode)

[DragonChi]

That one seemed to have the right context.
It makes sense that it's early and that it was a positive fbomb. Wasn't expecting it still. Especially out of the socially awkward nerd. It's like hearing your grandparents swear.

[EmperorIS]

Star Trek: Discovery is All About the Fight for the Federation's Soul | Den of Geek (http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/star-trek-discovery/268103/star-trek-discovery-is-all-about-the-fight-for-the-federations-soul?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=ZDT&utm_campaign=swap)

good read. It gives an explaination why Discovery is the way it is.

[DragonChi]

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0267/4223/products/it_s-a-trap-t-shirt-teeturtle-star-wars_800x.jpg?v=1500053069

That admiral is hot! I honestly don't see why they were giving the captain a hard time though. It makes sense to rescue a diplomat that could end the war. WTF is this admiral thinking going into a meeting blind with a race that's known for war. LOL.

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Star Trek: Discovery Season 2 Renewed on CBS All Access | Collider (http://collider.com/star-trek-discovery-season-2-renewed/#images)

[DragonChi]

Only 5 episodes deep, and renewed. I'm glad that it did, because this show is so good.

[gilly]

Next week's preview looks goooood

[Ch28]

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0267/4223/products/it_s-a-trap-t-shirt-teeturtle-star-wars_800x.jpg?v=1500053069

That admiral is hot! I honestly don't see why they were giving the captain a hard time though. It makes sense to rescue a diplomat that could end the war. WTF is this admiral thinking going into a meeting blind with a race that's known for war. LOL.

I think she's going to die and it's going to be plot armor for Captain Lorca's secret

[DragonChi]

I totally thought she was going to die in that trap. It wasn't very Klingon like to keep her alive. :)

[Hector3Civics]

They are just trying to milk the franchise for everything they can now. Just let it die already.

[SkinnyPupp]

I really like the direction they took the show, and I'm glad I stuck around. First couple episodes were rough.

What I don't like is that there are only maybe 4 characters we really know about. The entire bridge crew are a bunch of weird looking people/aliens who we know nothing about. Hopefully they get developed in coming seasons.

[Presto]

^^^

The first 4 episodes left me feeling pretty hopeless for a decent series. Good to know it picks up. It was shocking how un-Star Trek those episodes were.

[SkinnyPupp]

It's still way too flashy, but worth watching. I just hope they develop more characters.

Currently enjoying Voyager much more :D

[Presto]

We finished watching the last episode. It definitely got a lot better. The mid-season finale was awesome.

We're finally watching the last 2 episodes of Voyager. We held off on watching it for a couple weeks. It was just too sad to end such a great series. Season 6 and 7 are incredible, and have a lot of memorable episodes. I rank Voyager below DS9, but it is a very close second.

[DragonChi]

Wow this series just took a nose dive.



The new uniforms reminds of a terrible star trek parody.

Really hoping it'll pan out. It has the potential to be good, or the potential to be really over the top cheesy.

[DragonChi]

It has recovered! So stoked for the season finale.

[carisear]

they better bring back lorca -- he was the best thing by far in the series!!

last episode was meh. there have been some missteps but i do really enjoy the series still. lots of moments where you have to just turn your brain off, and enjoy it as a show though.


whats with people saying they like voyager though? i'd rather sit and watch grass grow rather than have to watch that crap.

[DragonChi]

Really? What didn't you like about Voyager? I found it to be quite good. Especially when they run into the Borg. They had the same effect for the TNG series as well.

The only Star Trek series I couldn't really get hooked on was The Original Series.

I felt like how they killed off Lorca tied really well into the story of a multiverse. As a character it was hard to see him go, he was such a bad ass.

I really like how the story is progressing with the Kingon war. As well as using Terran tactics from Georgia to crush the Klingons.

I also really like how they tied in Sarak. After watching all 7 seasons of TNG in two months, he really is a familiar face to see.

[!LittleDragon]

Picard is back, new series starting Patrick Stewart. I'm excited

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ6iUDPwDW4&t=8s

[SkinnyPupp]

I almost cried when I saw that news. So amazing

[SkinnyPupp]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjAzYmQ4NTUtMGVjOS00OWRhLTlmYjktZDlkZTk2OGQ2Yj E5XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyODkzNTgxMDg@._V1_.jpg

Jan 23! Can't wait

Weird that for me it's on Amazon Prime, while Discovery is on Netflix. Apparently it's on "CTV Sci-Fi" in Canada

[SkinnyPupp]

OK so Picard looks like it'll be as good as one could hope!

[fsy82]

yeah i loved the first episode...got me hooked

[68style]

I'm halfway through the first episode... there's something a bit off in regard to the way him and the girl meet... not enough said between them and the dialogue is halting / a bit awkward, doesn't match with his whole "I want to be retired and private and never grant interviews" persona... but the overall feel of the show I'm enjoying so far.

Already had one obvious political moment with the whole Romulan racist bit......... I really really really hope they don't use any further scenes in the show as a platform of any sort

[SkinnyPupp]

I'm halfway through the first episode... there's something a bit off in regard to the way him and the girl meet... not enough said between them and the dialogue is halting / a bit awkward, doesn't match with his whole "I want to be retired and private and never grant interviews" persona... but the overall feel of the show I'm enjoying so far.

Already had one obvious political moment with the whole Romulan racist bit......... I really really really hope they don't use any further scenes in the show as a platform of any sort
Get used to it, political commentary is pretty much what Star Trek is all about LUL

It's probably what turned me into a SJW! Kappa

[68style]

They did it in a much less obvious way before... or maybe media tainted it for me cuz right away it drew me out of the show and into a "There's a little fuck you from Bezos to Trump" line of thought, kind of distracting.

I'm loving the ideas around the Data storyline and Patrick Stewart... not loving the girl's interactions with anyone so far... not sure if she just got some particularly bad dialogue or if she's just not a good actress. I have a feeling she'll get more comfortable once the story fleshes out though.

[SkinnyPupp]

They did it in a much less obvious way before... or maybe media tainted it for me cuz right away it drew me out of the show and into a "There's a little fuck you from Bezos to Trump" line of thought, kind of distracting.

I'm loving the ideas around the Data storyline and Patrick Stewart... not loving the girl's interactions with anyone so far... not sure if she just got some particularly bad dialogue or if she's just not a good actress. I have a feeling she'll get more comfortable once the story fleshes out though.
I don't want to spoil it for you, so I'll just say watch the full episode before deciding on what you think of Dahj ;)

I do agree 100% that they need to watch it with the political commentary on today's politics. Especially keep anything "Trumpish" fucking out of it. Discovery season 1 was bad that way

[CivicBlues]

So far so good. Great seeing Patrick Stewart again in live action. Story so far is intriguing, but still too soon to make a judgement call as to the quality of the show. Too many unanswered questions and weird things out of place:

- FNN - racist interviewer wtf? Imagine a CNN reporter qualifying it as "Muslim Lives" on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 and subsequent war in Afghanistan. That's how stupid she sounded.
- Rainstorm in Boston - what happened to weather control?
- Picard waking up in his own home after a huge fight/explosion at STARFLEET freaking Headquarters
- Data already HAD a daughter....she was named Lal.

p.s. who tf watches half of a 40 minute TV show and logs in to comment about it on RS?

[68style]

^
I was watching it on my laptop and paused it because I needed to take a shit, and taking a shit made me think of you on Mount Kilimanjaro, which then made me think of RS, which made me pull out my phone to check RS...

I hope this has answered your question :)

[SkinnyPupp]

So far so good. Great seeing Patrick Stewart again in live action. Story so far is intriguing, but still too soon to make a judgement call as to the quality of the show. Too many unanswered questions and weird things out of place:

- FNN - racist interviewer wtf? Imagine a CNN reporter qualifying it as "Muslim Lives" on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 and subsequent war in Afghanistan. That's how stupid she sounded.
- Rainstorm in Boston - what happened to weather control?
- Picard waking up in his own home after a huge fight/explosion at STARFLEET freaking Headquarters
- Data already HAD a daughter....she was named Lal.

p.s. who tf watches half of a 40 minute TV show and logs in to comment about it on RS?
I think the weather control system is only used to prevent massive storms, and maybe to provide a "perfect" Earth environment, not necessarily to have complete control over the weather like on Risa. Besides, it has to rain sometimes!

and AFAICT, these are Data's "biological" daughters, I think created by Maddox (the same guy who tried to have Data disassembled in one of the great episodes of TNG). His "DNA" was used to create them. They acknowledged Lal in the show, did they not? Anyway, this will be explained in more detail I'm sure.

As for Picard waking up at home after being injured by an explosion at Starfleet... I dunno maybe it was like a week later? LUL

[!LittleDragon]

The first few mins, I thought I was watching X-Men... lol

Sometimes, I gotta take off my thinking cap and just enjoy... like why send people to get the girl? Get a lock on her and beam her into a holding cell, so much easier... lol I used to scratch my head whenever I saw Data use a tricorder or fired a weapon... Soong built an android and didn't think to build those things into Data?

Still, it's Star Trek, it's Picard... I love it.

[68style]

Thinking back more, the only real part I have a problem with is that I’m not so sure how Romulan assassins are able to just beam into major city areas on Earth at will with weapons... seems like a bit of a security problem lol... but hey I’m sure they will explain that somehow going forward

[bobbinka]

Thinking back more, the only real part I have a problem with is that I’m not so sure how Romulan assassins are able to just beam into major city areas on Earth at will with weapons... seems like a bit of a security problem lol... but hey I’m sure they will explain that somehow going forward

Come back and ask the question after you've watched the first half of the next episode.

[SkinnyPupp]

Smoking and vaping in Star Trek universe WutFace

[Great68]

Smoking and vaping in Star Trek universe WutFace

On one hand you'd think they'd be all about healthy choices, on the other hand they probably have the technology to fix whatever you fuck up in your body, so have at 'er!

[SkinnyPupp]

On one hand you'd think they'd be all about healthy choices, on the other hand they probably have the technology to fix whatever you fuck up in your body, so have at 'er!
True but in other series they looked at smoking as being absolutely disgusting and stupid LUL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ufh8fctr3o

Seems like the writers thought: Oh the captain is "cool" so we better having him smoking, since smoking is "cool". Except it's 2020 and I think most people think smokers look retarded and desperate, not "cool". Could be wrong though

[!LittleDragon]

Smoking and vaping in Star Trek universe WutFace

People need to enjoy the real stuff sometimes and relax... lol... how many times have you seen crew pull out real alcohol from their own private stash? Besides, they're supposed to be able to cure things like cancer with light.

[SkinnyPupp]

People need to enjoy the real stuff sometimes and relax... lol... how many times have you seen crew pull out real alcohol from their own private stash? Besides, they're supposed to be able to cure things like cancer with light.
I get it.. but in the vision, smoking was just one of those things that we supposedly left behind, along with capitalism, nationalism, war... Not against drugs whatsoever, but some are more dumb than others. Alcohol isn't exactly good for you, but it's not as dumb as smoking cigarettes

[CivicBlues]

Trek now trying to appeal to Gen-Z teens with vaping characters :lol

[StylinRed]

Smoking and vaping in Star Trek universe WutFace

I seem to recall ppl smoking in star trek, maybe it was just the Q world... or it was like dry ice breathing machines for aliens I'm thinking about hmm

[SkinnyPupp]

I seem to recall ppl smoking in star trek, maybe it was just the Q world... or it was like dry ice breathing machines for aliens I'm thinking about hmm
IIRC Picard did it once on the holodeck and was disgusted by it

[SkinnyPupp]

THIS SHOW IS SO GOOD OMG OMG OMG OMG PogChamp

[MG1]

IIRC Picard did it once on the holodeck and was disgusted by it

Dixon Hill......... he wasn't disgusted with it. More like not prepared for it. Dr. Crusher trying to understand make up, lol.


Discovery is good. I hope the writers don't go stupid with this one. So much potential.

[MG1]

As for alcohol, I love the episode from the original series that had Montgomery Scott bringing out an old bottle of scotch and passing out - right after the alien got wasted. Kissed the bottle and "plop" goes his head on to the table. Meh, aliens cannot hold their liquor.

[Mr.Money]

shit i didn't know season 3 started,i watched like half of season 1 and enjoyed the hell out of it.


felt more like a hollywood movie than some b-grade half assed series as i remember it in the 90's.

[bobbinka]

wait, why was the crew of discovery marveling at the sight of a future Voyager? Voyager wasnt even built until well after their original time. technically, that name/ship should mean nothing to them.

I love the easter egg, but am I missing something here?

[SkinnyPupp]

wait, why was the crew of discovery marveling at the sight of a future Voyager? Voyager wasnt even built until well after their original time. technically, that name/ship should mean nothing to them.

I love the easter egg, but am I missing something here?
I think it's because it was designated a "J" so the 10th or 11th version of that ship. They know it must have a lot of history

That's my theory anyway

[MG1]

HMAS Voyager was a destroyer in the Australian Navy. Also an American coast guard vessel, and two NASA probes/satellites. The Enterprise has been everything from a French, 6th rate vessel, sloop, frigate, schooner, and the HMS Enterprise (England) to American aircraft carriers (CV-6, CVAN-65, CVN-65) and NASA's Space Shuttle.

https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/star-trek-discovery-next-generation

Nice to see Yamato on that list. Did not know it was the sister ship to the Enterprise-D.

[mikemhg]

So hold up, this show is good now? You guys recommend watching it? I thought people were shitting all over this show when it first came out?

[Eatman]

THIS SHOW IS SO GOOD OMG OMG OMG OMG PogChamp

Agreed, this season is starting off very nicely and is something to look forward to every Thursday now.

[SkinnyPupp]

So hold up, this show is good now? You guys recommend watching it? I thought people were shitting all over this show when it first came out?
First season was trash (but beautiful trash), second was much better, and third is some of the best TV I've seen in years (imo)

[CivicBlues]

3rd season stride? TNG, DS9, ENT all had really shitty first 2 seasons and started getting better in their respective 3rd seasons. DS9 got REALLY good after season 4 and ENT wasn't given much of a chance after it got cancelled after the 4th. VOY was all over the place IMO. FFS TNG even had a freaking clip show in it's 2nd season. Remember clip shows? Thank god 10-episode seasons killed that off.

[MG1]

So hold up, this show is good now? You guys recommend watching it? I thought people were shitting all over this show when it first came out?

The first season and a bit, took some time to get used to. You had the pissy-ass crybaby, Burnham, the over the top, obnoxious redhead, first ever openly gay space couple, a tall lanky alien that swayed his arms around as he strutted about, a Star Trek Mulan..........

the only normal thing was Captain Pike.

Butt, the series had promise. With each episode, the story came together. The characters developed. The Klingons made sense. And, then, there was Spock.

I'm still trying to figure out Ash Tyler and the Klingon, Voq. Was he like raped by Voq? I wasn't deep into Discovery back then. Anyone explain what went on? Ash Tyler was also Burham's lover, yes?

Good to see Harcourt Fenton Harry Mudd. Nice! Can't wait to see the Gorn and the Tholians in Discovery.

[mikemhg]

Can I jump in @ Season 2 or 3 then? Or would I need to start from 1?

Prior Star Treks didn't really follow an overall storyline from episode to episode, so it was somewhat irrelevant where you started.

[MG1]

You can jump in at any time, but season 3 from the beginning, for sure. They traveled in time, because they had to. And, it is explained somewhat as to why in season 3. As far as I can figure it, nothing important in the previous two seasons. I guess things like, where Saru came from and Burnham's history, but everything else should be okay. If it becomes confusing, you can just go back one season.

I'm holding off on watching The Mandalorian season 2 until I watch season 1. As far as I know, Season 1 isn't out on DVD/Blu-Ray yet.

[bobbinka]

I dont have any issues with any of the seasons, I enjoyed the stories for what they were. What I dont like is Burnham's acting, and (what feels like) a certain relationship constantly thrown in our face.

I say you watch from the beginning.

[SkinnyPupp]

What I dont like is Burnham's acting, and (what feels like) a certain relationship constantly thrown in our face.
.

Burnham has had at least 2 relationships, neither of which are "thrown in your face"... In fact I don't even know if her current one will go anywhere romantically :suspicious:

[CivicBlues]

Pretty sure he's talking about the one with the doctor and the engineer.

I just realized there's not a single straight white cis male on the senior crew of Discovery now that Pike left in S2.

[MG1]

As long as they don't bring that asswipe, Q into this series, I'm fine.

[CivicBlues]

Q is in the animated Lower Decks show, which is surprisingly pretty good.

[SkinnyPupp]

Pretty sure he's talking about the one with the doctor and the engineer.

Gay people: exist

Homophobes: YOUR STICKING IT IN MY FACE BrokeBack

Thankfully in the Star Trek utopia, people like that no longer exist SeemsGood

[MG1]

Lower Decks is definitely not my cup of tea. I had it scheduled on Blue Curve, but erased it after watching as much as I could take.

I can see how it might be enjoyed by many. Just not me.

Q, eh? How’d that turn out?

[bobbinka]

You leave zero room for discussion/dialogue and jump right into accusations. Good job, mod.

[SkinnyPupp]

You leave zero room for discussion/dialogue and jump right into accusations. Good job, mod.
OK so who was right? Were you complaining about Burnham's relationships being "thrown in your face" or the gay relationship?

If the latter, what's your dialogue for that relationship being "thrown in your face"? I think it was an amazingly well written relationship, you can really tell how much they love each other, and how that love brought BOTH of them back from the brink. I don't want to get into spoilers here, but I want to know what is on your mind that this relationship has no reason to be there?

Because I have watched a lot of TV over the years, and almost every badly written show has a forced relationship. It's always the best looking youngest woman with the best looking youngest man. Sometimes it rarely works, usually it's just trash.

Hell there are plenty of bad relationships in the Star Trek series. Almost all of them really. Riker + every female who somehow can't resist wanting to fuck him is the most obvious, but Chief O'Brien + Kiko fucking hated each other on DS9. B'Elana Torres being hot for Chakote for some reason, and then marrying Tom Paris only to do nothing but argue every episode. Or Seven's weird attraction to Chakote which was so awkward when they finally got together. Or Neelix's weird creepy possesive jealous relationship with Kes... Trip + T'Pol was just fucking weird. You want to talk about "thrown in your face" that one is the worst of all.

There were some good ones though, I liked the respectful nature of Archer + T'Pol. Picard has had some great romances, but maybe non permanent characters shouldn't count, because it's easier to write these. I liked the Dax + Worf relationship (although Dax is non binary so maybe you thought that was thrown in your face too?). Odo + Kira started off really bad but had some nuance added. (again Odo isn't binary either so maybe that was too in your face as well?). Doctor + Seven was an interesting one too, though mostly one sided. But again, Doctor doesn't have a gender either, and Seven is basically asexual for most of Voyager. The ONE interesting Riker romance was with a transgender character, and the whole episode was about accepting people for their sexuality LUL

I'm happy to open dialogue if you want. But to me when someone says something so off about one of the few VERY WELL written relationships in Star Trek history, the first conclusion I come to is that they're just homophobic. I am happy to give you a chance to prove me wrong if you want.

Now that I look back, it's interesting how Star Trek has always talked about gender identity and often homosexuality, but until now they had to obscure it. My guess is your reaction is the main reason why, and the fact that homophobes hadn't aged out of watching Star Trek by the 90's and 00's.

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OK so who was right? Were you complaining about Burnham's relationships being "thrown in your face" or the gay relationship?

If the latter, what's your dialogue for that relationship being "thrown in your face"? I think it was an amazingly well written relationship, you can really tell how much they love each other, and how that love brought BOTH of them back from the brink. I don't want to get into spoilers here, but I want to know what is on your mind that this relationship has no reason to be there?

Because I have watched a lot of TV over the years, and almost every badly written show has a forced relationship. It's always the best looking youngest woman with the best looking youngest man. Sometimes it rarely works, usually it's just trash.

Hell there are plenty of bad relationships in the Star Trek series. Almost all of them really. Riker + every female who somehow can't resist wanting to fuck him is the most obvious, but Chief O'Brien + Kiko fucking hated each other on DS9. B'Elana Torres being hot for Chakote for some reason, and then marrying Tom Paris only to do nothing but argue every episode. Or Seven's weird attraction to Chakote which was so awkward when they finally got together. Or Neelix's weird creepy possesive jealous relationship with Kes... Trip + T'Pol was just fucking weird. You want to talk about "thrown in your face" that one is the worst of all.

There were some good ones though, I liked the respectful nature of Archer + T'Pol. Picard has had some great romances, but maybe non permanent characters shouldn't count, because it's easier to write these. I liked the Dax + Worf relationship (although Dax is non binary so maybe you thought that was thrown in your face too?). Odo + Kira started off really bad but had some nuance added. (again Odo isn't binary either so maybe that was too in your face as well?). Doctor + Seven was an interesting one too, though mostly one sided. But again, Doctor doesn't have a gender either, and Seven is basically asexual for most of Voyager. The ONE interesting Riker romance was with a transgender character, and the whole episode was about accepting people for their sexuality LUL

I'm happy to open dialogue if you want. But to me when someone says something so off about one of the few VERY WELL written relationships in Star Trek history, the first conclusion I come to is that they're just homophobic. I am happy to give you a chance to prove me wrong if you want.

Now that I look back, it's interesting how Star Trek has always talked about gender identity and often homosexuality, but until now they had to obscure it. My guess is your reaction is the main reason why, and the fact that homophobes hadn't aged out of watching Star Trek by the 90's and 00's.

I did not say there's no reason for their relationship.

I'm no where near as knowledgeable on trek/tv relationships as you are, but I'm not making comparisons to other tv show relationships to rank them or say whether they're better or worse. (Although I agree that the Neelix/Kes thing was strange)

Wow, so generous of you to make assumptions, label someone, and then offer them the chance to prove you wrong afterwards. You took one sentence with little to no context, constructed an entire argument for me so that you could argue against it, and then accused me of being homophobic. I also said I didn't like Burnham's acting, does that make me racist too?

I'm not going to turn this thread into an argument with you because I actually enjoy the show, so i'll lay out my thoughts and be done with this.

I don't have any issues with Stamets and Culber being gay. I never even brought up sexual orientation because it doesn't matter. My opinion is the same whether they are straight or aliens with other orientations.

I think that they have had good character and relationship development. To me, it feels like they're thrown in my face a lot because they get a lot more screentime (and therefore, character/relationship development) than the other supporting cast members. We're 30+ episodes in, but other crew members have barely gotten any development.

I really wanted Airiam to have gotten more, but realistically she only got 1 episode before she got airlocked. Nhan also only got that last episode before being booted. What about Rhys or Bryce? Could we not see more development of the Detmer/Owosekun friendship? No one's saying get rid of Stamets/Culber.

There was that scene recently where Stamets climbs into the tube to make repairs while injured/recovering. Culber arrives and gives him shit (which was hilarious). But here's the thing, Reno had to guide Stamets on the coms, which meant they could have literally gotten anyone else to climb up there. It wasn't like it had to be Stamets.

Conclusion: I see them more than other supporting members. I want to see more of other character/relationship developments too, but apparently this makes me a bigot.

Not everything has to be an argument. Just because people have different opinions than you doesn't make them wrong, and it certainly doesn't give you the right to label them.

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"Salvage this, son of a bitch!"

Giorgiou, so bad ass..........

Her flashbacks in a different universe has me intrigued. Mulan on steroids, I tells ya.

[SkinnyPupp]

"Salvage this, son of a bitch!"

Giorgiou, so bad ass..........

Her flashbacks in a different universe has me intrigued. Mulan on steroids, I tells ya.
I 100% agree, she's one of the best cases of "chaotic evil" in a sci fi show that I can remember

This show is so good can't wait until tomorrow to watch the next ep! PogChamp

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I did not say there's no reason for their relationship.

I'm no where near as knowledgeable on trek/tv relationships as you are, but I'm not making comparisons to other tv show relationships to rank them or say whether they're better or worse. (Although I agree that the Neelix/Kes thing was strange)

Wow, so generous of you to make assumptions, label someone, and then offer them the chance to prove you wrong afterwards. You took one sentence with little to no context, constructed an entire argument for me so that you could argue against it, and then accused me of being homophobic. I also said I didn't like Burnham's acting, does that make me racist too?

I'm not going to turn this thread into an argument with you because I actually enjoy the show, so i'll lay out my thoughts and be done with this.

I don't have any issues with Stamets and Culber being gay. I never even brought up sexual orientation because it doesn't matter. My opinion is the same whether they are straight or aliens with other orientations.

I think that they have had good character and relationship development. To me, it feels like they're thrown in my face a lot because they get a lot more screentime (and therefore, character/relationship development) than the other supporting cast members. We're 30+ episodes in, but other crew members have barely gotten any development.

I really wanted Airiam to have gotten more, but realistically she only got 1 episode before she got airlocked. Nhan also only got that last episode before being booted. What about Rhys or Bryce? Could we not see more development of the Detmer/Owosekun friendship? No one's saying get rid of Stamets/Culber.

There was that scene recently where Stamets climbs into the tube to make repairs while injured/recovering. Culber arrives and gives him shit (which was hilarious). But here's the thing, Reno had to guide Stamets on the coms, which meant they could have literally gotten anyone else to climb up there. It wasn't like it had to be Stamets.

Conclusion: I see them more than other supporting members. I want to see more of other character/relationship developments too, but apparently this makes me a bigot.

Not everything has to be an argument. Just because people have different opinions than you doesn't make them wrong, and it certainly doesn't give you the right to label them.

The reason I came to the conclusion I did is that you used the term "relationship thrown in your face", a term which has been used to describe what bigots deem to be "unnecessarily gay characters" on TV for decades. It's such a weird phrase to describe two main characters who got major plotlines throughout the entire series. Like your issue is the relationship they have, not the characters themselves?

If you said you don't like Stamets or whatever, and think he's a way too full of himself because he controls the spore drive, sure, I can see that (which BTW is a character flaw written which he is starting to get over as his character develops, another sign of the great writing of this show). But just the way you wrote it, it was so familiar if you see what certain people talk about with TV all the time, it just led me to that conclusion.

I hope you can see that I was not calling you out for an opinion I disagree with. I don't care if you like Stamets or Culber or Tilly or Burnham or Joann or whoever else. I obviously disagree on Stamets and Culber, but I wouldn't care enough to argue about it. And no, it doesn't make you a bigot to not like those characters. It doesn't make you a "racist" to not like a black actor. Come on. But you specified that it was the relationship that was "thrown in your face" not the characters, storylines, or anything else. You complained about Burnham's acting, not the character, and that's fine too.

That's the conclusion I made based on your phrasing. You specified that the relationship is "being thrown in your face"

I don't know you personally, so I can't tell if you're backtracking or whatever. I assumed one way, and hope I was wrong. But what you are saying is 100% identical to what a bigot would say. That's all I'm saying.

I hope you can enjoy the rest of the show SeemsGood

[bobbinka]

They need to just make Burnham section 31 :lol

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Engage, Punch It, Make it so, Take Us Out, Hit It...................

Let's Fly???

Original theme played during end credits...............

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I thought she would rub the knob (or whatever it is) under the arm of the captain's chair.............


The Federation lives. Long live the Federation!



Me thinks season 4 will make or break this series. So far, it's been decent.

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I still haven't watched this one, but I'm fascinated by the positive feedback you guys are giving it.

Seems like every Youtube "critique" for this show seems to call it "liberal", "woke", "leftwing garbage" :lol

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I haven't watched the final episode.. The first few of the season were, IMO, among the best TV I've watched in a long time. Some eps were not nearly as good though. The Trill character and their relationships are fascinating. It's the way Trills should have been done (and they probably wanted to do it this way but couldn't) all along.

Also L-O-FUCKING-L at complaining about Star Trek being "liberal garbage"

Fucking STAR TREK! LEFTWING GARBAGE? EleGiggle It has literally been "liberal" and "woke" for 80 years! That's literally what it's about! A liberal fantasy utopia! EleGiggle

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This season started out as the best season so far, but then was really disappointed with how the storyline ended (how the burn was explained). I thought it was going to be something WAY more dubious, but turned out to be really lame.

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Fucking STAR TREK! LEFTWING GARBAGE? EleGiggle It has literally been "liberal" and "woke" for 80 years! That's literally what it's about! A liberal fantasy utopia! EleGiggle

This is true, can't be argued with. Outside of this new universe where there's no dilithium, there's no commerce of any sort and everyone has what they need to survive... it's definitely a utopia/ultimate form of UBI.

There's obvious modernism on the show, like so many powerful female characters, a black female lead, an asian female lead who can kick anyone's ass, a chubby woman who's cool and respected... they're covering ALL the bases (although, anyone who has watched it will realize after the first part of the first season they all ultimately go back to answering to white men for awhile hahaha) and we've been over the same sex couple thing in here... it's all fine, I didn't feel it was in your face at all and you realize it when you're watching but they leave it up to you to realize it. You'd have to be thinking pretty hard and conservatively to get upset about any of that stuff I think?

The only thing I can think of, and I don't know if it's the reason, but I think the episode that probably got on people's nerves a bit for overdoing it was in Episode... 4?... in the spore drive room... cuz I think it was painfully obvious to anyone after like 3 seconds of watching that both Adira's character and their partner are androgynous/gender neutral (which is fine/cool), but they went ahead anyway with a separate scene with Stamets where he refers to Adira as a girl and Adira stops him and corrects him about being non-binary/preferring they pronouns and he gazes at them lovingly and apologizes.

I mean... yay, more diverse characters can't really go wrong imho. By no means do I think the show is garbage, I love the show, but I personally wish they'd have given the audience a little bit of credit on that one and didn't take you 'out of the show' for a lesson -- could have just left their characters as they were presented and used pronouns and I think everyone would just get it.

[bobbinka]

Okay, so there's 1 planet to mine dilithium now. There's obviously not going to be enough for everyone everywhere. Sure, it's improved the situation temporarily, but doesn't really feel like the season's paid off, lol.

It's a shame they didn't give us a better look at the new Voyager, despite it being the lead on the attack/defense. Had to go back to search for it and only saw it in the distant background.

This season started out as the best season so far, but then was really disappointed with how the storyline ended (how the burn was explained). I thought it was going to be something WAY more dubious, but turned out to be really lame.

Could've been pretty neat if Burnham self-destructing the time travel suit is what somehow caused the burn.

[SkinnyPupp]

This is true, can't be argued with. Outside of this new universe where there's no dilithium, there's no commerce of any sort and everyone has what they need to survive... it's definitely a utopia/ultimate form of UBI.

There's obvious modernism on the show, like so many powerful female characters, a black female lead, an asian female lead who can kick anyone' ass, a chubby woman who's cool and respected... they're covering ALL the bases (although, anyone who has watched it will realize after the first part of the first season they all ultimately go back to answering to white men for awhile hahaha) and we've been over the same sex couple thing in here... it's all fine, I didn't feel it was in your face at all and you realize it when you're watching but they leave it up to you to realize it. You'd have to be thinking pretty hard and conservatively to get upset about any of that stuff I think?

The only thing I can think of, and I don't know if it's the reason, but I think the episode that probably got on people's nerves a bit for overdoing it was in Episode... 4?... in the spore drive room... cuz I think it was painfully obvious to anyone after like 3 seconds of watching that both Adira's character and their partner are androgynous/gender neutral, but they went ahead anyway with a separate scene with Stamets where he refers to Adira as a girl and Adira stops him and corrects him about being non-binary/preferring they pronouns and he gazes at them lovingly and apologizes.

I mean... yay, more diverse characters can't really go wrong imho. By no means do I think the show is garbage, I love the show, but I personally wish they'd have given the audience a little bit of credit on that one and didn't take you 'out of the show' for a lesson -- could have just left them as they're presented and used pronouns and I think everyone would just get it.
It was an awkward scene for sure, but I'll just say if you've ever been in a situation where for the first time you misgender someone who is non binary, it can be REALLY awkward for you and them. I think the show is kind of "teaching" that it doesn't have to be awkward/painful/cringey, if you simply just respect everyone equally. Apologize, try to get it right (it might be hard if they've been identifying as a different gender for a long time), and move on with life. Stamets showed one way to handle it.. That's why people like him are respected, and people like Jordan Peterson and his followers aren't.

It's definitely totally a "2020's thing" and while some people and bigots might get all mad and say it's "in my face", I think it's just another step in the Star Trekdom of Star Trek. Pushing these kind of boundaries, getting us to think of this kind of thing, is what they've been doing for longer than most of us have been alive.

I thought it was brilliant using a Trill for that kind of scene. After all, Trills are non binary (at least the symbiont). Think about how even in "left wing garbage" Star Trek, Jadzia Dax's gender was basically a punchline for all the men who would be attracted to her, only to find out that "ewwwwwwww she used to be a he???" WutFace

Maybe these "leftwing garbage" people were expecting more of that, with no progress in our thinking after 30 years? Think about that. THIRTY YEARS! Time to grow up!