[Excelsis]

For those who of you who owned or still own trucks, what issues have you found with the various models?

Between the rams, f150's, silverados, tacomas, dakota's etc, and which would you consider most reliable over the long term in truck sustainability?

[320icar]

That question is way toooo vague. Do you tow? Have a family? Go camping? Live on a farm? Need a long box? Are you going to sell it? You need to post WAY more info

[Excelsis]

Good call..

Gas engine comparisons, for long term use as a work truck.

So the question really is how durable the trucks will hold themselves over the long term without planning on selling them.

[Jmac]

I know I've read about various reports of Ford discontinuing parts service for the F-series before a decade is up including nationally reported stories. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/ford-f150-auto-parts-obsolete-go-public-1.3746577)

[fliptuner]

Midsize, I'd go Tacoma. Full-size domestic, Silverado/Sierra.

[Excelsis]

Really? Why the silverado/sierra ?

[E-40six]

From my experience, I prefer the GM pickup's.
but I also buy a truck that is bigger than what my needs
dictate so the components last longer because of less wear and tear

My 06 Duramax Silverado 2500hd has 285,000km and its being the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned.

outside of the regular maintenance and front end work, there hasn't been any issues with it.

I still own a 2001 F350 Powerstroke, that truck has been good with me as well but it leaks like a mutha and sluggish

[SaviorSelf_666]

How's the 4.3 V6 in the 2014+ serria/silverado? Buying my first truck and not really towing anything. Mostly hauling garbage from rental properties.

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[hal0g0dv2]

I have a 2015 fully loaded lariat and also had a 2013 fx4.
I have had both v8's in mine and those engines are bullet proof IMO. 2015 is actually pretty darn good on gas. I never had any problems with my 2013 also.

2015/ I do not do trades but i have towed with it before and it is very smooth. Did not tow a massive load or anything but it was very smooth. I guess i am biased but i do find the insides of the fords have the edge on most trucks. lots goodies in the lariat that i find very useful. New fords will never rust also :p.

I know everyone has there 2 cents about what kind of truck they drive but lots of my buddies have gm and dodge and they love em. I don't dislike other trucks but i test drove a bunch and i really liked the fords .

also ford pricing is on right now, can get get plat for under 60k :P

[pintoBC_3sgte]

I have a '12 Sierra z71 with the 5.3 (bought new ) , all it's needed repair wise is a new wheel bearing and pads

[TjAlmeida]

If you are using the truck for actual work i would narrow your options to only full size trucks

Obviously everyone has an opinion, but for a full size 1500 i would lean to either a f150 or a tundra. Tundra is going to use more gas but from what i have seen they hold up the best over the years.

I am against GM, dont find they age well or hold up well. They seem to run for a long ass time, but otherwise i find they rattle lots, interior and exterior do not age well.

Good luck. Just know that no matter what you choose, everything has the potential to be unreliable/a lemon.

[meme405]

I'm a self confessed GM guy.

But in Leasing trucks I get to try a little of everything, and through companies I work for I get to see or ride in all of them.

Don't get a ram. Period. I'm sorry dodge/Ram owners, but almost everyone you ask, especially the diesel owners, most of them will tell you the reason for their purchase was "it was like 10K cheaper", well I'm sorry, but it was 10 grand cheaper, cause its that much worse. The diesels have good powertrains, but the rest of the truck around it is junk.

The gas rams are even worse, cause the powertrain isn't even that good. In terms of work, they degrade quickly, we use our trucks on back roads, FSR's and mining roads, and they start to ride like shit real quick, and the interiors start to age and rattle apart quickly. This happened with a bunch of our 06-10 trucks and now we have a bunch of '12-'14 trucks and its the same.

In comparison we have a few chevy's and i've lease a couple fords and they both stood up much better and just felt nicer.

I have to skip up to the HD trucks, because that's all I rent for work, but even as a GM guy, if I were to buy a truck today, I would probably buy the new F350, as an overall package its just a nicer truck, and the features are just better overall. Plus the fact the GM won't e-coat their frames is starting to get really tiresome.

I know much less about the import brands, as they are just not used in my line of work. The last site I was on we had 200+ site vehicles, and the only truck not from the big 3 was a single tacoma, and it was brought in by a security contractor.

I don't know what industry you are in, but in construction imports just don't exist.

I'll postface this with the fact that in the last year and a half I have had a 2015 suburban, 2016 F350 , 2016 f250 (both powerstrokes), 2012 2500 chevy duramax, 2015 3500 GMC duramax, 2015 2500 ram cummins, 2012 2500 ram hemi. I had each truck for 3-4 months, except the suburban, as that thing really wasnt cut out for site use, just too nice. I drive anywhere from 60-80000km a year in these trucks, So I spend a lot of time in the drivers seat. And the above is my opinion based on that experience. Everyone else can give you what they "think", but the above is what I KNOW based on our use. And I'll admit right off the hop, our use is abusive. We beat on these fucking things day in-day out.

[quasi]

I'm looking at getting a new truck next year. I don't really need one for work so I'm debating possibly getting a midsize but they seem almost more like a Car then a truck.

I like the looks of the newish Colorado's but I hate the seats, as far as I can tell all they offer is cloth or leather with cloth inserts and both are ugly IMO. I'll probably end up getting a F150, more money but many more bells and whistles and I plan on keeping the vehicle for a while. My friend recently got a Tacoma, I know there reliable but the interior is nothing special especially for what they cost so I'll probably scratch it off my list.

[vitaminG]

Tundras have best resale and are recommended by all mechanics I talk to, but the design is so old there's got to be a a new one coming soon.

I concur Rams suck

I have an 11 ecoboost f150, I'd probably buy an f150 new or used if I were in the market. I haven't heard great things about ecoboost and my truck even had a new motor put in before I bought it, but it's a lot stronger than the 5.0 even if the fuel economy isn't very exciting.

[RRxtar]

the f150s are on Ecoboost 2.0 now. the early ones had some issues (as most all new engineering does), but those have been corrected now.



me, im a superduty guy, and i have no problem stylin on everyone in my '17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81wCE2nZyL0

[brrrz]

Go for the F150 but hey I only sell them :dizzy:

[underscore]

If you're going to sell it at some point I'd buy a Tacoma or Tundra since Toyota's are typically very reliable and the resale values reflect that. If you're going to keep it forever I'd get an F150, purely because they're fleet/rental vehicles and the most common thing around so parts should be cheaper and almost every mechanic has worked on one. The resale value on an F150 would probably be terrible though.

[MarkyMark]

I went from a 2010 Tacoma to a 2014 F150. If you like comfort and cabin space the F150 by mile, it's great for road trips if you ever do those as well. If you want resale value I don't think there's any truck out there that keeps it better than a Tacoma.

[Hondaracer]

Personally I'd never buy a Tacoma, "small" trucks don't do it for me.

Besides resale there aren't too many upsides anymore imo. Reliability now a days outside of Dodge is pretty good across the board and Toyota is still charging their "lore" premium for the taco.

For what you pay for a decent taco you get into Laramie/Lariat finishes in the domestics. I'll take wood trim and leather over chunky plastic any day.

As per fords, I'm still driving my 2000 F150 4.6L with 240,000kms daily. Could afford somthing different but I've never been the type of person to change vehicle until absolutely vecassary. Once my truck does go I'll be looking into a few years old Lariat or brand new XLT if I can find a deal that suits me

[MarkyMark]

The only way I'd get a Tacoma again is if I'm looking for an off-road rig, the size and aftermarket support is great in those respects.

On the Tacoma forums guys are doing cool shit with their trucks, on F150 forums its 60 year old men whining about how their $60k truck has a rock chip after only one week of owning it.

[meme405]

me, im a superduty guy, and i have no problem stylin on everyone in my '17


Beautiful Truck. I don't get how anyone can dislike the look of the new superduty. Especially comments like "its brash" or "chunky", its a fucking 7000lb truck designed to haul mountains. Of course it's brash, its not going to be like a VW bug. And to call it chunky is retarded, it had to be big; It's a SUPERduty.

That said, I wouldn't call the new Silverado or Sierra's any less handsome. Just wish they didn't miss so many nice features that the F350 has.

[RRxtar]

Beautiful Truck. I don't get how anyone can dislike the look of the new superduty. Especially comments like "its brash" or "chunky", its a fucking 7000lb truck designed to haul mountains. Of course it's brash, its not going to be like a VW bug. And to call it chunky is retarded, it had to be big; It's a SUPERduty.

That said, I wouldn't call the new Silverado or Sierra's any less handsome. Just wish they didn't miss so many nice features that the F350 has.

It is definitely BIG. It towered over my 05 that I traded in, and is quite a bit bigger than the current Silverado. It doesnt feel big tho, and visibility and driving characteristics make it feel alot smaller than it is.

The new/current GMC 1500 and 3500 are beautiful from the front, and ugly from the side. It is an aging generation tho, and I expect the update to be a very nice truck with even more bells and whistles than the Ford has right now.

My truck is actually a hair over 8000lbs, but even towing 15,000lbs, it is faster than the speed of traffic off a light, and hauls the mail so damn good. Did a 1000km trip a few weeks back and it was like driving a luxury car, super comfy and more power than necessary.


work

http://i.imgur.com/XLHs3VI.jpg

towed my buddys new boat. biggest and heaviest thing ive ever towed 17,500lbs. boat is 33' long, just under 11' wide and just under 15' tall.
(not me in pic)

http://i.imgur.com/EtchyPB.jpg

[noclue]

Ford's the best for trucks IMO. The silverado front is butt ugly but the GMC one is nice.

I think RAM and Tundra is going to release the new design at the Detroit Motor Show in January 2018.

Clearance lights, yay or nay?

[dachinesedude]

anyone have a full size truck and live in an apartment complex/underground parking? doable on a daily basis?

[Hondaracer]

As long as height restrictions arent a problem its definatelt doable.

Nice to have the room to back in though if possible

[Mr.Money]

owned a f150....no problems with 5.4L engine,and also owned a Silverado.

i kinda liked the Silverado more cause the ride felt damn smooth and enjoyed the heated leather seats...felt like a caddy imo....either one is fine....

[GS8]

FWIW, if you buy a truck (whatever your choice), buy it brand new. Trucks are meant to be workhorses so you never know how a previous owner may have treated their truck.

That is to say you plan to keep the truck for a long time.

My dad bought a 2007 Silverado brand new (first year of that generation). Fully loaded with top spec motor, trim etc.

Ten years later and he just rolled over 230,000km and is still on the original transmission. He just did basic maintenance and wear-and-tear replacement parts along the way. The truck hasn't needed any major work done. I was actually very impressed considering this truck was still technically pre-bailout GM. I think buying new made a huge difference.

[meme405]

anyone have a full size truck and live in an apartment complex/underground parking? doable on a daily basis?

Yep me, none of my HD trucks fit in my 6'8" underground. Luckily my parents place is nearby and I use their parking when I am in town which has clearance for 7'6". In terms of parking I have had one person complain that it sticks out too far, and strata kinda butt fucked me there and told me I have to park it elsewhere. At that point I had a CCLB (or a Texas limousine as I like to call it) so it did stick out of stall quite a bit. But honestly she's the retarded one for not being able to park because of that.

Anyway moral of the story, your strata can cause problems depending on the truck and how dickish they are. Also how stupid your neighbours are factors into this.

[1BADMR2]

I recently picked up a 2017 f150 Screw 3.5TT w/ 10spd and I love driving it as a DD. Very comfy, smooth shifting and quick on it's feet. I started to mod it the day it arrive at home. I never did consider a Ford because I was bias to Toyota (thanks to the MR2) but after test driving most of the trucks (with the options I wanted) on the market, the f150 was a lot of truck for the money with the rebates and I'm addicted to boost.

http://i.imgur.com/7SY1CVth.jpg

[roastpuff]

Nice. Looks like a Lariat with the 502A package (I recognize the LED headlights and tails).

Thing is... as good as the EB 3.5 is... I still like having a N/A V8 in a truck. There is something just so right about that V8 noise and the linear power.

[hal0g0dv2]

dem led head lights so flyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[!Aznboi128]

Nice. Looks like a Lariat with the 502A package (I recognize the LED headlights and tails).

Thing is... as good as the EB 3.5 is... I still like having a N/A V8 in a truck. There is something just so right about that V8 noise and the linear power.
After driving a Ram 1500 for a week I can honestly say a v8 sounds amazing and the linear power is good. However, you pay heavily at the pumps. I had 1500 with the eco diesel late last year and it was so much more economical.

[roastpuff]

After driving a Ram 1500 for a week I can honestly say a v8 sounds amazing and the linear power is good. However, you pay heavily at the pumps. I had 1500 with the eco diesel late last year and it was so much more economical.

It's not fair to compare diesel to gas. For sure the Ecodiesel will be more economical but the power isn't there for the Ecodiesel when loaded or towing.

The Ford EB can be either Eco or Boost. Not both. So similar fuel consumption to V8 if you have a heavy foot.

[!Aznboi128]

It's not fair to compare diesel to gas. For sure the Ecodiesel will be more economical but the power isn't there for the Ecodiesel when loaded or towing.

The Ford EB can be either Eco or Boost. Not both. So similar fuel consumption to V8 if you have a heavy foot.
Oh for sure, I haven't tried had a chance to load them up anywhere close to the rated.

Driving other ford EB vehicles I can understand that mileage goes wayyyy down when foot gets a bit heavy.

[underscore]

It's not fair to compare diesel to gas. For sure the Ecodiesel will be more economical but the power isn't there for the Ecodiesel when loaded or towing.

The Ford EB can be either Eco or Boost. Not both. So similar fuel consumption to V8 if you have a heavy foot.

The Ram diesel gets 4-5.5l/100km better in the city and 3-4l/100km better on the highway. It doesn't sound like much but if you drive 20k a year that's a grand a year in fuel. Diesel is also cheaper than gas so there's another ~$300/yr difference. The towing capacity is only 1000lbs lower (up to 9k for a 4x4 depending on which you get).

Considering that most people never tow anything it's a big savings, and for those that only tow big loads on occasion I doubt they'll chew through an extra $1300/yr in fuel doing so.

[roastpuff]

The Ram diesel gets 4-5.5l/100km better in the city and 3-4l/100km better on the highway. It doesn't sound like much but if you drive 20k a year that's a grand a year in fuel. Diesel is also cheaper than gas so there's another ~$300/yr difference. The towing capacity is only 1000lbs lower (up to 9k for a 4x4 depending on which you get).

Considering that most people never tow anything it's a big savings, and for those that only tow big loads on occasion I doubt they'll chew through an extra $1300/yr in fuel doing so.

The issue with the Ecodiesel Ram is the payload. It's severely hampered vs. the gas trucks... which were already low to begin with compared to the competitors. Blame the coil spring rear, but a 1300lbs payload for a mid-trim gas truck (my Sport had a 1330lbs rating or thereabouts) turns into 980lbs for a Laramie Ecodiesel. A Big Horn or Outdoorsman trim was about 1100lbs payload. A Tacoma has more legal payload than that Ram.

What Ecodiesel owners have complained about is lack of top end power on the highway stock, before adding a tune. Doubly so if they're hauling more than just people and luggage in the truck - anything involving a quad in the back, or a trailer more than 5000 lbs at highway speeds often drew complaints about power going up grades and the ability to keep up with traffic. I drove an Ecodiesel Ram for a bit up north (friend's), and where people were often going 120-130+ on the highway you had to set up passing maneuvers for when the lanes were longer and you had time. My gas truck would accelerate until you hit the 170(?) km/h limiter happily and stay there as long as you had fuel.

Of course, if you're running mostly empty, then it's a great choice as it had enough power then. The ED fuel economy is unbeatable in the full-size class, and the ride comfort of the Ram with the air suspension is unbeatable. Just beware of low payload issues with Ram if you want to be within legal limits while towing or hauling.

[1BADMR2]

Nice. Looks like a Lariat with the 502A package (I recognize the LED headlights and tails).

Thing is... as good as the EB 3.5 is... I still like having a N/A V8 in a truck. There is something just so right about that V8 noise and the linear power.

I'm quite impressed with the torque from the 2nd gen 3.5TT as I continue to break in the engine, I expected the tranny to be hunting gears but it's been pretty good. I test drove the 2017 5.0 F150 and I felt like it needed more throttle to get moving compared to the 3.5TT. The V8 sounds good especially with the exhaust upgraded but I like how the turbos sound.

It's not fair to compare diesel to gas. For sure the Ecodiesel will be more economical but the power isn't there for the Ecodiesel when loaded or towing.

The Ford EB can be either Eco or Boost. Not both. So similar fuel consumption to V8 if you have a heavy foot.

I traded in my 2015 F150 2.7TT (stock tune) and it was quick off the line and would eat gas if you stepped on it around town. Highway driving L/KM was very good when I drove from Langley to Kelowna several times. 12.1/100 KMS loaded with 5 people, 91 oct and all the gear in the back using sport mode uphill and normal mode on the downhill/flats. I was not driving like a grandpa.

These are my observations after owning both ecoboost engines. When my truck goes in for service, I'll see if they will give me a 5.0 F150 loaner and I can compare to the ecoboost. Also I'm about to do the Raptor steering wheel with paddle shifter mod when it arrives.

[RRxtar]

The Ram diesel gets 4-5.5l/100km better in the city and 3-4l/100km better on the highway. It doesn't sound like much but if you drive 20k a year that's a grand a year in fuel. Diesel is also cheaper than gas so there's another ~$300/yr difference. The towing capacity is only 1000lbs lower (up to 9k for a 4x4 depending on which you get).

Considering that most people never tow anything it's a big savings, and for those that only tow big loads on occasion I doubt they'll chew through an extra $1300/yr in fuel doing so.
the fuel economy of the ecodiesel is directly related to how much of a dog it is. i havent really seen anyone say they are impressed with how they drive short of the fuel economy of it. plus they're apparently blowing up before they hit 50k regularly enough for there to be several topics on it on the ram forums. and chrysler is painfully slow at authorizing warranty on them.


i didnt realize just how bad the payload on them is until reading the post above ^. did a bit of reading and a lot of guys are saying their payload limit is 950-960 on mid range trucks. to think a modern half ton truck is exceeding its payload with 4 people and some luggage in it.

[vitaminG]

You got 12l/100 in the 2.7? I get 13.5 in my 3.5tt heavier 2011 driving the piss out of it heading to grande Prairie on 87 with tons of gear.

I drove the 5.0 when I got my truck too and definitely noticed the increased power/torque of the ecoboost.

As far as the ecodiesel it might be cheaper on fuel but it's a Dodge with an Italian diesel engine, so you can expect maintenance and repairs to more than offset it

[punkwax]

I think if you want a truck for the convenience of owning a truck (mountain trips, dump runs, awesome visibility etc) and not necessarily for work/heavy towing etc Tacos are great purchases due to resale value.

If you want a truck for true trucking purposes you can't go wrong with Ford bang for the buck wise in comparison to the Yotas. Especially during employee pricing days. Just know going in you're facing substantial depreciation comparatively. But if you use it as a tool to make money then who cares.

I used to be a GM/Chevy guy but Ford has grown on me over the years. Also the only NA truck company who didn't need a gov't bailout IIRC. That stands for something in my books.

[fliptuner]

They didn't get it from the TARP fund but the did get an equal or greater amount from a TALF loan because they agreed to develop fuel efficient technology.

[roastpuff]

I think if you want a truck for the convenience of owning a truck (mountain trips, dump runs, awesome visibility etc) and not necessarily for work/heavy towing etc Tacos are great purchases due to resale value.


I don't necessarily buy my vehicles due to resale value, I looked at the Tacoma but I ended up not liking it at all... seating position, driving experience etc. I want to enjoy driving my vehicles whether they be a truck, car or Zamboni.

[punkwax]

^ you're kind of proving my point. If you don't care about resale value then do whatever you want. If you do care and don't need something you can abuse, I suggest Toyota for this reason. That said, even if your concern is resale and you don't like them then definitely don't take this advice lol

Just my 2 cents.

[vitaminG]

The only way resale matters is if you're buying brand new and you plan on selling before the vehicle gets pooched.

If you're buying used I really don't think Toyota offers good value

[SaviorSelf_666]

I'm looking at a 2014 Sierra SLE All-Terrain w/ the 5.3 V8. Anyone have any first hand experience with the new gen?

[mr00jimbo]

Anybody with a Tacoma able to speak on real world mpg, compared to full size trucks?

[J____]

I want a tacoma off road/ trd pro for DD and overlanding/camping vehicle, but dang they are expensive 2nd hand. New ones 50K+ used a few years old 35k +

[fliptuner]

My first gen, double cab, gets 350-400km on 60L. It's awesome around town and off-road but I want something bigger for hauling material and towing. Looking at 5.7 Tundra's and 5.3 GM's, the difference in fuel economy is negligible.

[SaviorSelf_666]

I just picked up a 17 Sierra 5.3 6 Speed. Personally I felt more comfortable in the GMC than the Toyota/Dodge/Ford, secondly I really like the Sierras look.

Only have 500km on it, but the only issue I have is the pedal feel, you really need to get on it to get it going, which seems common with the K2 gen.

[DavidNguyen]

I like the look of new tacomas. Don't like the seating position though.
Have you guys looked into the NEW Honda Ridgeline?
Black edition is nice but 57k. Eek

[SaviorSelf_666]

If I was going for a smaller truck I'd definitely choose a Tacoma or a Colorado ZR2

[roastpuff]

I like the look of new tacomas. Don't like the seating position though.
Have you guys looked into the NEW Honda Ridgeline?
Black edition is nice but 57k. Eek

The Ridgeline is nice - more SUV/car like than the other trucks and far more comfortable. But $$$!

[DavidNguyen]

The Ridgeline is nice - more SUV/car like than the other trucks and far more comfortable. But $$$!

Yea. I agreed. Very nice vehicle. Just the price is $$$
For those who think ridgeline is garbage. Go and look for yourself. Give it a drive. GAME Changer. I'm not even a truck guy just need bed for Lake times

[!Aznboi128]

I love the Ridgeline, it's comfortable and it's the truck that 80% of truck owners need.

Tons of room on the inside for front and back row and the in bed audio system is great for times by the lake

If I was going for a smaller truck I'd definitely choose a Tacoma or a Colorado ZR2

The new Tacoma is pretty garbage, the ZR2 tho is amazing.

[snails]

Consider a Nissan? I have traveled plenty with a local frontier in my xterra and we have been some fun places with no trouble

[meme405]

Consider a Nissan? I have traveled plenty with a local frontier in my xterra and we have been some fun places with no trouble

The current gen frontier is just a ridiculously stale platform. It's been around for ages, how Nissan gets away with going 10 or more years between generations is beyond me. Well actually it's probably not beyond me, it's obvious by the fact that nobody even talks about the frontier anymore.

It was a nice truck like 5 years ago. But now it's outdated and outclassed by literally everything.

I searched high and low about a year ago for a nice 6 speed pro 4X, either the Xterra or frontier. I had a bias to the xterra, but a nice one of either model and I would have pounced on it. Frontier never showed up, and frankly I'm glad I didn't get one. Xterra I still long for one, but a quick look on CL shows a nice one with manual is still 30k. Lol no thanks, I can buy a nice 4runner for that kind of money, or spend a little more and just get a diesel.

[Great68]

I bumped this old thread because I figured there might be some interest in this.

My old man did a few pulls on Racing Greed's dyno with his truck the other day:

https://i.imgur.com/nEfU2NQ.jpg

2013 Ecoboost 3.5L
aFe Stage 2 Cold Air system
aFe Stainless Y Pipe
aFe 3.5" Stainless Cat-Back Exhaust
aFe Bladerunner GT Intercooler & tubing system
MSD Ecoboost Coil Packs
Some aftermarket throttle body (can't remember brand)
SCT x4 93 octane performance tune

482ft/lb @ 2900RPM at the wheels on a Mustang Dyno is pretty impressive.
This truck hauls.

[fliptuner]

I'm the furthest thing from a Ford fan but cotdamnit, that's pretty sick.....and on that dyno.