[tru_blue]

Hi all,

Seeking some advice here.

There is a job opening available on a company's website and I have applied many times and each time, I notice they always end up hiring people within their own group or they hire someone that has connections to their group.

I have also noticed each time that they have hired someone who does not have prior experience but has been with the group working at a lower level position.

I have messaged one of the managers directly and he stated that the group usually hires within the company first and acknowledges that he did receive my application.

I think this is really unfair and unethical and was wondering where I can file a complaint regarding this issue (work safe etc ) ?

I have also asked around and other people in the industry have stated that this store is really hard to get in and most times they want to hire someone, they will make a posting on their company website but they already know who they want to hire and the posting is just a front.

Coles notes:
-company has a job opening but each time they post it, they already know in advance who they want to hire and the posting is most likely false
-each time, they always promote someone within the group and end up hiring someone from a lower job position
-manager states directly that the group promotes within first and he did receive my application
-the store also hires people who have connections to the store (manager) but are not working for the overall group

**It is a high end retail sales store**

Have you guys experienced something like this?

Thanks all in advance for your opinions !

[whitev70r]

However unfair, it's a fact of life. It's who you know, not what you know.

One option is to get in t the company on the 'lower end', an entry starting position and voila, now you are considered internal for the next higher up position.

[320icar]

Was it this place in Richmond?

http://wpmedia.vancouversun.com/2017/07/richmond-jpg.jpg

[Jmac]

I don't really see how it's unethical or what WorksafeBC would have to do with this situation.

As long as they're not discriminatory in their hiring practices or violating a collective bargaining agreement, I don't really see what you can do about it.

[Raid3n]

a lot of companies hire from within, it's nothing new. does it suck for someone on the outside? sure. time to network.

[kross9]

skills can be taught, personalities cannot.

[CCA-Dave]

Not to mention you save a tonne of money on training by hiring from inside...even if you're training someone for an all new position (to them).

[donk.]

:inout:

[TypeRNammer]

Nothing new here....this is the same with TransLink.

They start off with internal postings. If they are unable to fill the position, then it gets sent to external postings.

[Teriyaki]

LOL. Welcome to life.

If you were hiring, would you rather take a gamble on some completely unknown or someone you know and have interacted with for months or years and already knows the company inside and out?

[hchang]

Wouldn't you rather take care of your own first before taking care of an outsider?

It's the same in every company, unless there's nobody qualified at the time.

Longshoremen are a prime example. Current shore men charge to vouch bringing you in.

Otherwise what's the incentive in putting in your time into a company? I'd be pretty upset if instead of me getting promoted for putting my life into a company they hire some random guy off the street

[bluejays]

LOL. Welcome to life.

This. What is it that makes people think they're entitled to everything?

[tru_blue]

thanks for all the responses,

my point is would the company get into trouble if we file a complaint against them since they openly say that they do hire internal candidates first.

Also this company is known for also hiring people who have connections to the managers or higher ups in the group only.

A lot of people have also tried applying to get in but have no luck.

If they know in advance who they would be hiring, they are also known to make a fake posting on their website saying they have an opening when its already filled already (just a front).

I think that what they are doing is just unethical hiring practices.

[punkwax]

my point is would the company get into trouble if we file a complaint against them since they openly say that they do hire internal candidates first.

What would you gain from this? Not employment.

If you wanna work there so bad get a junior position and work your way up. Otherwise move on. Promoting from within is standard practice at a lot of companies.

[CCA-Dave]

thanks for all the responses,

my point is would the company get into trouble if we file a complaint against them since they openly say that they do hire internal candidates first.

No, there is no law against this. Also, with whom do you think you can "get them in trouble"?


Also this company is known for also hiring people who have connections to the managers or higher ups in the group only.

Lol, yup. Welcome to life. I've been in management before, and let me tell you it's always easier to go with who/what you know vs taking a risk on something or someone new. It's true, you will (as a manager) miss out on some amazing potential if you manage this way, but depending on the position and requirements, the risk may not outweigh the potential rewards.

Am I looking to increase sales in our current market/demographic? Someone I already know is probably a better choice. Am I looking to break into a market we've never serviced before, then a new unknown-hire who knows that market might be a better choice.


A lot of people have also tried applying to get in but have no luck.
Again, welcome to life.


If they know in advance who they would be hiring, they are also known to make a fake posting on their website saying they have an opening when its already filled already (just a front).

It actually might not be a fake posting. If I'm looking to hire for position X, and I think Jim might be the best fit for the position...I want to know for sure. I'll advertise the position, and see if anyone who's a better choice than Jim appears. Nope? Okay, hire Jim. Yup, oh gee...we better consider both options.


I think that what they are doing is just unethical hiring practices.

Frustrating, definitely. Unethical? It might feel that way, because you're in the thick of it, but it's actually most likely not.

[whitev70r]

OP, wait till you are in managerial position and you have to hire someone. Come back and tell us what you think then.

[Jonydakiller]

the practice is way too common than you think especially in bigger corp.
Posting is just for the show really, so the person who didn't get hired can't say there isn't any posting for the specific position and go HR to file a complaint.
Also every posting at the end will say similar to " only suitable candidate will be contacted ", so they will never need to speak to you or setup useless interviews.
I been to that situation before, the good end that is...:)

[BaoTurbo]

Its how much time you dedicate to this company and start from bottom up. Everyone does it. Its a pyramid. You have to sell your soul.

Don't like it? Go for their competitors. Show them what they're missing out

[mb_]

Why don't you work elsewhere if this bothers you?

Have you ever thought that the higher ups don't feel that you're qualified for the position(s) you want to move up into?

[snails]

i work for a company that hires from within and you would be amazed on how little turnover there is. 1 person out of roughly 100 at the location has quit to pursue something higher paying within the couple years i have worked there. the amount of money that some companies invest in both training and time alone can be crazy. Knowing the background of the individual either from working up from a lower position or having a reference from within is worth more than gambling on someone possibly more qualified

[threezero]

Why don't you work elsewhere if this bothers you?

Have you ever thought that the higher ups don't feel that you're qualified for the position(s) you want to move up into?

he wasn't looking to move up into a position. he is looking skip the bottom and go right to the top.

[GLOW]

surprised OP actually got a response from a manager.

also surprised the thought of "filing a complain" crossed OP's mind

:ahwow:

[Presto]

Connections is the best/easy way to land a job. No one likes dealing with tedious stuff, like interviewing candidate after candidate. Having someone speak for you on the inside raises your chances. significantly. I've recommended friends for various jobs many times, and they usually get it. Having a ton of experience in the job you're applying for is the other way to get the gig.

TLDR: No one owes you shit. Get more experience, or better friends.

[mb_]

he wasn't looking to move up into a position. he is looking skip the bottom and go right to the top.

Oops I totally read it as the other way around.... :rukidding: :pokerface:

[XplicitLuder]

most big companies will hire from within first. You can't get any company to trouble... i mean, i dont even know who you would complain too LOL

The amount of turnover we have had at fedex from external hires is amazing...the amount of loss time would be outrageous if we could somehow calculate how much time has been spent on external hires. Even though its not my company, i totally understand why companies want internal candidates first.

In the end, if you REALLY want to get into this company, start at the bottom. Take whatever job is available thats at the bottom of the food chain, than work up from there. Because if youre fighting for a higher up position, youre most likely gonna lose to an internal candidate.

[Gnomes]

he wasn't looking to move up into a position. he is looking skip the bottom and go right to the top.

One word came to mind: entitled

[bcrdukes]

My apologies in advance, everyone.

I'm having a difficult time trying to understand what it is that the OP is trying to achieve. The more I read the post, the more confused I am getting.

So let's get this straight - OP is an outside applicant who is trying to apply to a company, and he is upset that he is not offered the position, or at the very least, given even an interview?

If this is correct, I have no words. Someone, and please, correct me if I am wrong.

[dachinesedude]

the guy is basically trying to blame the company for him not getting the position

its not them, its you

[snowball]

Damn, companies want to hire/promote employees who have proven competency and loyalty over years of service? and not a random external applicant?

What is the world coming to?!

[ZN6]

Hi all,

Seeking some advice here.

There is a job opening available on a company's website and I have applied many times and each time, I notice they always end up hiring people within their own group or they hire someone that has connections to their group.

I have also noticed each time that they have hired someone who does not have prior experience but has been with the group working at a lower level position.

I have messaged one of the managers directly and he stated that the group usually hires within the company first and acknowledges that he did receive my application.

I think this is really unfair and unethical and was wondering where I can file a complaint regarding this issue (work safe etc ) ?

I have also asked around and other people in the industry have stated that this store is really hard to get in and most times they want to hire someone, they will make a posting on their company website but they already know who they want to hire and the posting is just a front.

Coles notes:
-company has a job opening but each time they post it, they already know in advance who they want to hire and the posting is most likely false
-each time, they always promote someone within the group and end up hiring someone from a lower job position
-manager states directly that the group promotes within first and he did receive my application
-the store also hires people who have connections to the store (manager) but are not working for the overall group

**It is a high end retail sales store**

Have you guys experienced something like this?

Thanks all in advance for your opinions !

FailFish are you 12 trying to get a job at Holt or something? LOL filing a complaint with work safe on hiring practices? Are you for real?

I wouldn't want you standing there expecting a hand-out pay cheque either when you start thinking that doing work for pay starts becoming "unfair".

Congratulations, you've now set several rungs below ilovebacon, he has a job and a far better attitude. +7 for bacon.

[twitchyzero]

salt level: triggered

work smart, not hard

[winson604]

Op you can't seriously think that from the employers perspective this makes the most sense on all levels.

If you had a choice between 10 applicants who you've worked with and already know how they perform and 10 applicants who you don't know shit about who would you hire? Unless the 10 internals are fucking idiots I can't see any scenario where the ladder option is the better choice.

[bobbinka]

If you had a choice between 10 applicants who you've worked with and already know how they perform and 10 applicants who you don't know shit about who would you hire? Unless the 10 internals are fucking idiots I can't see any scenario where the ladder option is the better choice.

It might be a better choice if you need to reach high places quickly, almost like a corporate stairway or something....

[dapperfied]

You only have yourself to blame.

[stewie]

I know of places that require certain degrees in a specific field or equivalent training and experience, X amount of years experience, and ability to know certain things/programs that only a few select companies would use eliminating 90% of applicants right off the bat. More or less someone who's been shadowing someone or has been relieving someone has now got the opportunity to get a full time position and they've catered a job posting so he's guaranteed to be the only one who can be selected. Can't say they didn't advertise the position. Too bad. Like others said, start at the bottom and work your way up the chain.

[quasi]

When my wife worked at Hydro it was the same, nothing sneaky going on. Some jobs would first be posted internally if they could not be filled they would be posted externally. There were other positions that were posted in both locations internal/external the tie always went to the internal hire.

She now has a Provincial Govt Job for Healthlink BC and again jobs are advertised Internal and External, you have to really stand out to beat an internal applicant. My wife was told when she was hired as an external for a regular position it was super rare and they never hire external applicants for regular (Non Temp) positions but they head hunted her to come over.

My point is it happens all the time, there is nothing shady going on it's just the way it is.