[Berzerker]

What are your thoughts on schools banning peanut related food from schools?

I had a "discussion" on FB regarding this and was hoping to get a broader sense of what people thought on this subject.

Case: Child has SEVERE peanut allergy where even smelling peanuts will cause airways to close. Contact or consumption will result in possible death.

The parent sends this child to school and now the school must be peanut free.

Discuss.

Berz out.

[MG1]

Most schools and school districts have adopted some kind of plan.


http://www.vancouveranaphylaxis.com/school-info.html


Sign o' the times.

[pastarocket]

I think this is a good idea. A peanut/peanut product ban is needed in schools with the allergies that students can acquire these days.

You can't be too careful.

Although I am not a parent yet, I have seen how deadly peanut allergies can be to some people. A co-worker almost died when another colleague started chewing a Snickers bar near her desk. She had to stab herself with an Epi pen.

[6o4__boi]

it sucks
but that seems to be where the world is trending now
allergies are on the rise and there are so many theories out there why it is
i know someone who is deathly allergic to peanuts, so it does make sense to make the school peanut free.

personally, i think it's because people are bubble wrapping their kids too much that they're not able to develop immunities to allergens/irritants

[MG1]

It really depends on how severe the allergies are, before a school adopts the peanut-free policy. That's probably why it is left up to each school.

PBJ, my favourite!

If your child happens to be severely allergic to something, it is hell. If it weren't for the invention of epi pens, most people would probably die.

Thank god my children were just mildly allergic to things like milk products. My daughter is allergic to nuts, but can have peanut butter........ like WTF?

Also, most of these parents who have children with severe allergies are pretty cool with it. They are an understanding bunch. I imagine there would be some loose cannons out there, like the woman who didn't get a large rice bowl.

[MG1]

it sucks
but that seems to be where the world is trending now
allergies are on the rise and there are so many theories out there why it is
i know someone who is deathly allergic to peanuts, so it does make sense to make the school peanut free.

personally, i think it's because people are bubble wrapping their kids too much that they're not able to develop immunities to allergens/irritants

Ever notice the amount of Asians with peanut allergies? Not many. Probably because of diet?

[carisear]

growing up 30 years ago, my buddy would've starved, because the ONLY thing he ever ate, through 7 years of elem school, was PBJ. anyways ...

I think that's BS myself -- what happens if they step outside, and their neighbor eat eating a reese peanut butter cup? There has to be some personal accountability. Wear a surgical mask if you have that severe of a reaction (I don't actually know if that works, just saying that as an example)

[Badhobz]

I thought it was just some hippie dippie bullshit people made up just like the glutton free "celiac disease" that's spreading around.

Just load all your kids up with peanuts and gluttonous rice balls and send them out packing to thin out the heeerrrd!!! just kidding.... or am I?

[MG1]

The parent sends this child to school and now the school must be peanut free.

Discuss.

Berz out.


What if it was your daughter? Would you home school her? Send her to an all peanut allergic person's school?

It's a tough one. In my days, people just didn't know........... like ADHD. What people eat these days may be causing the rise in the frequency and severity of peanut allergies in people.

[G0rilla]

If the allergy is controllable by the individual, then it shouldn't be banned at schools. I'm not in the medical field by any means, but as someone mentioned above, are surgical masks, or allergy masks, etc. an option?

I don't believe that the masses should accommodate the few due to this issue. What if someone was eating peanuts next to you at the bus stop, on the bus, in the skytrain, at rogers arena? I mean it might be even worse for the kid, cuz other kids might start bullying them due to this or the kid might even feel like shit and embarassed cuz they're doing this to their classmates. I don't have any kids so it might be different if I did, but logically, I believe the schools should do their best to accommodate (train teachers with epi pens, raise awareness, etc) but not outright ban.

[MarkyMark]

What did they do with these kids back in the 80s and 90s? I vaguely remember certain kids having allergies but no one was ever restricted on what they could bring for lunch.

[Berzerker]

Honestly I wouldn't send my kid to school in the early elementary years. To much risk, and not to mention you are making an entire school, and all people associated (parents, Teachers, Students) responsible for making sure you child comes home alive.

By choosing to send your child to school, you are effectively saying "You must cater to my child" What if my 2 year old son has a peanut butter sammich for breakfast. (which he does) and hugs sister good bye in the morning (which he does) and gets peanut butter on the back of his sisters shirt. His sister then goes to school and comes into contact with a child with the allergy. That child goes into arrest and dies. Who's to blame?

Berz out.

[punkwax]

https://youtu.be/0O5h4enjrHw

[Presto]

It seems like the number of kids with (pea)nut allergies has increased since i was a kid. Also, the severity of the reactions is something I don't ever remember encountering in the 80's and 90's. There were 2 kids in my class in elementary school that had peanut allergies. They weren't affected unless they consumed peanuts. There were instances I remember them spitting out some candy due to peanuts, and they were fine afterwards.

[Berzerker]

The mom on facebook's daughter's throat swells up just smelling peanuts. Contact by touching results in anaphylactic shock and consumption would be pretty much death. So why do you think it's a good idea to put this child in a position of danger like a public school system and why are you putting such terrible onus on the school and parents of children in that school to not Kill your kid?

All the friends of the mom were obviously on the bandwagon and there were a lot of "It's only 7 hours a day, you can avoid nuts for that amount of time" "There are alternatives to peanut butter, Wow Butter you can use" "There are nut free bars you can send with the children" "Where is your compassion?"

Berz out.

[MG1]

Perhaps the mom is prepared for the worst and just wants people to be careful and be aware of the situation. If it's that bad, there's really nowhere that is safe.

Anyway............. waiting for the usual RS comments. I'm surprised there hasn't been any yet.

[Razor Ramon HG]

I have a cousin who’s allergic to everything.

Don’t know how that happens when we grew up eating primarily similar diets..

[MarkyMark]

I'm sure they just don't want their kid to become a weirdo with no friends having to be homeschooled. Sucks about those PB sandwiches though, that's an elementary school staple.

[Mr.Money]

knowing badass people they would probably say fuck off and continue eating they're food as normal....long as it isn't Tuna stinking the whole god damn place up.

[fliptuner]

Ever notice the amount of Asians with peanut allergies? Not many. Probably because of diet?

That's cause God gave them lactose intolerance instead.


God bless

[Berzerker]

What would the repercussions be for a parent who sent their child to class with a PB sammich? Would the school kick that child out of school therefore saying "Your child is not as important as this child with allergies."

Berz out.

[ImportPsycho]

it's not hard to be peanut free, there are so many peanut free snacks out there.
packing own lunches though... i don't use peanuts, usually just ham and cheese sandwich, macaroni, or pasta.
My daughter hates peanut butter anyway...

and yea, I never heard of any kids having life threatening allergies when I was kid...

[meme405]

I'd be much more concerned about all the other coddling the world/parents do to their kids, as opposed to sheltering them from allergies.

Sidenote (Totally unrelated lol):
Wasn't there a movie about how the future world started to crop out people with bad genes due to over population?

[syee]

BTW: The smell of peanuts causing a deathly allergic reaction is apparently a myth. Schools should really do a better job of screening stuff like this so misinformation isn't passed around.

In any case, I'd say it's up to the parent of the child to equip their child to deal with their allergies properly rather than make everyone else conform. This should be providing them with the education of what their allergy is, what to expect and how to treat it and how to detect and avoid the source of the allergy. (as well as informing a responsible adult - i.e. their teacher)

It's difficult to expect 100 parents to know that Billy has a peanut allergy, Sarah has an egg allergy and little Davey has a gluten sensitivity and not to pack any of this stuff in the kid who has no allergies' lunch.

[bcrdukes]

That's cause God gave them lactose intolerance instead.


God bless

That sure is one hell of a shitty situation.

RIP

[CorneringArtist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPEvuYOAaCc

[Mikoyan]

growing up 30 years ago, my buddy would've starved, because the ONLY thing he ever ate, through 7 years of elem school, was PBJ. anyways ...

I think that's BS myself -- what happens if they step outside, and their neighbor eat eating a reese peanut butter cup? There has to be some personal accountability. Wear a surgical mask if you have that severe of a reaction (I don't actually know if that works, just saying that as an example)

I've been told its more severe indoors as it's a confined space without much air movement.

Hope your kid doesn't develop a nut allergy. =) Current paediatric thinking is to expose kids early, before the age of one.

[hchang]

Take this with a grain of salt but I read somewhere some time ago allergies are caused by genetically modified foods, 30 - 40 years this wasn't as big of a problem as it is today.

I think it sucks that everybody has to cater to the weak, just because YOU can't stand something doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to enjoy it. Go somewhere else if something bothers you. If you have a problem have a solution readily available. Sure I'll try my best to not expose you to it but I shouldn't be not allowed to enjoy something that I want to enjoy in a free country.

Take smoking for example, as long as the smoker is far enough from doors windows and vents, it's up to YOU to avoid it if you don't like the smell of smoke. Should smoking be banned completely?

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and well if it kills you, survival of the fittest I guess.

[Hondaracer]

People should expose their children to more things early on rather than doing the opposite

[turb0triX]

My daughter is allergic to nuts, but can have peanut butter........ like WTF?


https://cdn.meme.am/instances/64783655/false-peanuts-are-legumes.jpg

[Mr.HappySilp]

I thought it was just some hippie dippie bullshit people made up just like the glutton free "celiac disease" that's spreading around.

Just load all your kids up with peanuts and gluttonous rice balls and send them out packing to thin out the heeerrrd!!! just kidding.... or am I?

I kid you not lol. I can't drink milk, chocolate milk, ice cream or block of cheese (pizzas are fine). Some milk,cream mix in coffee is ok. Same with pizza or pasta.

But too much milk or cheese products I literally will feel very bloated. But I know is my issue so I am not going to make people around me cater to my needs.

I feel like this whole peanut allergy thing there have to be some person responsibility. I mean sure the school might serve peanut free food but what about your friends or that kid sitting 2 tablets away eating a PJS or just some nuts for snacks. He doesn't know you are allergic to it. The whole world can't cater to you.

[Lomac]

It seems like the number of kids with (pea)nut allergies has increased since i was a kid. Also, the severity of the reactions is something I don't ever remember encountering in the 80's and 90's. There were 2 kids in my class in elementary school that had peanut allergies. They weren't affected unless they consumed peanuts. There were instances I remember them spitting out some candy due to peanuts, and they were fine afterwards.

Between '97 and '08, peanut allergies more than tripled in children. There hasn't been any confirmed reason for this.

I went to elementary school with a kid who was deathly allergic to peanut butter. But all of us kids knew about it and the student always made sure to stay away from those of us who were eating a pbj sandwich until we washed our hands.

Personally I'm slightly torn between wanting to be a helicopter parent or telling my kid to "suck it up, its a big and ugly world out there... need to watch out for yourself!" I grew up with parents who followed the latter style and I personally think it's the more appropriate one. However, I know that's not for everyone.

[twitchyzero]

those that are tested to be in life/death situations should carry back-up of a back-up epi-pens everywhere they go


I think it sucks that everybody has to cater to the weak, just because YOU can't stand something doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to enjoy it. Go somewhere else if something bothers you. If you have a problem have a solution readily available. Sure I'll try my best to not expose you to it but I shouldn't be not allowed to enjoy something that I want to enjoy in a free country.

Take smoking for example, as long as the smoker is far enough from doors windows and vents, it's up to YOU to avoid it if you don't like the smell of smoke. Should smoking be banned completely?

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and well if it kills you, survival of the fittest I guess.

you're comparing dietary options to habitual drug consumption

also easier said then done, it might be a courtesy/culture here...go to asia and Europe and not a single fuck will be given and chimneys will be pointed at your face

[Inaii]

As someone whose child is allergic to nuts (of any kind, poor girl takes after her mother) I can understand why she would be up in arms about it. No one wants harm to come to their child. But I also don't think it's fair to deprive children of (what I consider to be) a staple. Some families can only afford pbj. Should their children go hungry because one child has an allergy? My daughter was taught to not touch things with nuts in them and she's very good about watching to make sure none of her friends give her anything with nuts in them. I think it comes down to the child knowing what to avoid, and maybe like Berz said, finding another schooling solution until the child is better able to handle the allergy (if it's one that lessens with time, like mine with milk). Just my .02$

[Verdasco]

fucking finally


i think restaurants should all be peanut free



its whatever anyways and its too much a hassle if someone is allergic and gets a reaction


It could enhance the flavour of a dish but there can be something else replacing it imo. Too many situations where someone gets a reaction and hell breaks loose.

[mk1freak]

pity me for those times when the kids have special days at school (like their bday) and you have to make sure each kid in their class (two classes because the twins have separate home rooms!) has some type of fucking treat that they aren't allergic to. Oh and what about the kids that only eat organic, or special diets cuz of religions (or maybe their parents are just frikken picky like me :lawl: ) when parents ask me what the kids allergies are i tell them they have a nut allergy but don't go out of their way to get them anything special. don't get me started on their hockey team events as well...fuck me I'm that dad that makes sure that each kid gets a treat to remember the day. Don't get me wrong the wife helps arrange but i pay for it :okay:

oh and all four of my boys are allergic to peanuts and whatever else (not severe to kill but enough to look like will smith in hitch), i still have a jar of pb sitting on the kitchen counter, roasted garlic peanuts in the pantry. I just teach the little fuckers stay away from it and have the epipens and benadryl in handy places they know.

The only good thing i can take away from having kids with allergies is when im eating something i don't want to share with them and trust me, as a parent you know what I mean, i'll tell them there's nuts in it and they leave me alone. :ilied:

and yes I have lactose intolerance, mine's so bad if I ate any dairy i'd have severe stomach cramps and 20 mins later mace will spray out my assFeelsBadMan

[stewie]

K - grade 7 my class wasn't allowed PBJ sandwiches because we had 2 kids allergic. It wasn't the end of the world to not have them but it did suck. As and adult now, I still eat PBJ sandwiches on a regular basis as it's a good go to quick and easy comfort sandwich. One of the kids parents bought us a happy meal once a year as a thank you...wasn't worth it but it was better than nothing.

They could put epi pens around the school similar to how they put AED machines in buildings but I could imagine dumb ass kids taking them.


There's so many fucking allergies and having to cater to certain people now either at school or work. You can't wear cologne/perfume to work since it bugs some fat broad who doesn't even work anywhere near you or even on the same floor, can't wear a necklace with a visible cross/religious symbol on it as it might offend someone, can't have visible tattoos, can't make jokes around other people because there's some whiny person who finds them offensive even though they're not part of the conversation and they're eve's dropping.

Life is slowly turning to one giant boring place.

[6o4__boi]

fucking finally
i think restaurants should all be peanut free


fuck that

i aint dipping my gỏi cuốn in anything but fucking peanut sauce

[VR6GTI]

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/64783655/false-peanuts-are-legumes.jpg
My wife is allergic to nuts and whenever we go out for dinner and she she orders a dish with peanuts and then tells the server that she is allergic to nuts there face is always priceless

[Manic!]

I kid you not lol. I can't drink milk, chocolate milk, ice cream or block of cheese (pizzas are fine). Some milk,cream mix in coffee is ok. Same with pizza or pasta.

But too much milk or cheese products I literally will feel very bloated. But I know is my issue so I am not going to make people around me cater to my needs.

I feel like this whole peanut allergy thing there have to be some person responsibility. I mean sure the school might serve peanut free food but what about your friends or that kid sitting 2 tablets away eating a PJS or just some nuts for snacks. He doesn't know you are allergic to it. The whole world can't cater to you.

You eat cheese you get bloated kid eats a nut he dies big difference.

[meme405]

fucking finally


i think restaurants should all be peanut free



its whatever anyways and its too much a hassle if someone is allergic and gets a reaction


It could enhance the flavour of a dish but there can be something else replacing it imo. Too many situations where someone gets a reaction and hell breaks loose.

There is a theory out there that the more we adopt this type of mentality the more things our bodies will start to reject.

So unless you want the future of our civilization to live like this:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZmIyMGEwMTQtMzk1OC00MDQxLWIyZWUtNGY1MDQzMDg3Zj I2XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMzI2MDEwNA@@._V1_UY268_CR1,0,182 ,268_AL_.jpg

I would pipe down.

[!LittleDragon]

That's cause God gave them lactose intolerance instead.


God bless

I'm lactose intolerant but I eat dairy and use it to my advantage... Eat too much in one meal, have a bowl of ice cream... It's better than bulimia...

But in regards to the kids... if your child has special needs, why not send them to a special needs school where they know how to handle these conditions and be safe? Granted, no school like this exists but aren't there enough kids with allergies in this city to fill up a school? They can even be taught how to handle their allergy and what to do in case of exposure.

[mk1freak]

better than bulimia?
my ass would tell you otherwise.....

[Mr.HappySilp]

You eat cheese you get bloated kid eats a nut he dies big difference.

Is still not the responsibility of other kids/parents. As someone have mention what if some other kids started eating some nuts in the same room? Is not that kid fault nor the parent's fault. People need to start taking responsibility of their own shit. If this case is the parent's responsibility not the school, other kids and other parents. Why should others cater to one person out of several hundred people.

There are special school that will tend to special needs like this.

[fliptuner]

Same. I love dairy too much. Enjoy now, suffer later. Sometimes sooner than later.

When I was a kid I was allergic to shellfish. I used to break out in hives and have to take benadryl. But I loved it so much and felt bad if I couldn't eat it, so I just suffered the consequences. Eventually, I guess my body adjusted and I was all good.

[Verdasco]

fuck that

i aint dipping my gỏi cuốn in anything but fucking peanut sauce

ok ok, that is something i agree with ! :fullofwin: :fullofwin: :fullofwin:

[Manic!]

I'm lactose intolerant but I eat dairy and use it to my advantage... Eat too much in one meal, have a bowl of ice cream... It's better than bulimia...

But in regards to the kids... if your child has special needs, why not send them to a special needs school where they know how to handle these conditions and be safe? Granted, no school like this exists but aren't there enough kids with allergies in this city to fill up a school? They can even be taught how to handle their allergy and what to do in case of exposure.

So you want the government to build special schools for kids that have peanut allergies?

[Manic!]

Is still not the responsibility of other kids/parents. As someone have mention what if some other kids started eating some nuts in the same room? Is not that kid fault nor the parent's fault. People need to start taking responsibility of their own shit. If this case is the parent's responsibility not the school, other kids and other parents. Why should others cater to one person out of several hundred people.

There are special school that will tend to special needs like this.



Ya so lets segregate people. Have a school for cripples, a schools for kids with allergies, schools for kids with diabetes, schools for gays, school for trans the list can go on. It's peanuts for gods sake not a big deal to keep it out of a kids lunch.

[ziggyx]

Same. I love dairy too much. Enjoy now, suffer later. Sometimes sooner than later.

When I was a kid I was allergic to shellfish. I used to break out in hives and have to take benadryl. But I loved it so much and felt bad if I couldn't eat it, so I just suffered the consequences. Eventually, I guess my body adjusted and I was all good.

I was listening to CBC radio and they recently had a discussion about how some kids can grow out of their allergies. So I believe it can be done, unless someone is deathly allergic to it, maybe building up a tolerance is the way to go.

I used to be very slightly allergic to some cherries where my throat would itch and lips would swell but I ate them anyways. Eventually it went away.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Ya so lets segregate people. Have a school for cripples, a schools for kids with allergies, schools for kids with diabetes, schools for gays, school for trans the list can go on. It's peanuts for gods sake not a big deal to keep it out of a kids lunch.

Again you miss the point.

NOT EVERY SINGLE KIDS IN THE SCHOOL, TEACHERS, PARENTS OR GUEST SPEAKERS KNOWS SOMEONE IS ALLERGIC TO PEANUTS. IT IS NOT THEIR FAULT AND THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO CATER TO YOUR SPECIAL NEEDS.

What about the malls, restaurants, food carts etc etc do they have to cater to anyone who have peanuts allergy now?

[Manic!]

Again you miss the point.

NOT EVERY SINGLE KIDS IN THE SCHOOL, TEACHERS, PARENTS OR GUEST SPEAKERS KNOWS SOMEONE IS ALLERGIC TO PEANUTS. IT IS NOT THEIR FAULT AND THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO CATER TO YOUR SPECIAL NEEDS.

What about the malls, restaurants, food carts etc etc do they have to cater to anyone who have peanuts allergy now?

School is mandatory going to a restaurant is not. Schools already cater to all types of special needs, banning nuts is not a big deal.

[Bouncing Bettys]

School is mandatory going to a restaurant is not. Schools already cater to all types of special needs, banning nuts is not a big deal.
Catering to students with special needs and banning nuts for an entire school and its staff are two different things. Schools aren't altering courses and lesson plans for every student to match that of the special needs kid who requires 1 on 1 lessons and takes all day to learn one concept.

My gf is a type 1 diabetic, who stays away from carbs and has an allergy to eggs. We have been together 4 years and I am still figuring out what is ok for her to eat/drink. She often orders a diet coke at a restaurant and is given a regular coke instead. When she informs them that she can't have it and needs a diet coke because it doesn't have sugar, the response is often "There's no sugar in diet coke?"

People are imperfect beings. They can make mistakes, be ignorant, uncaring, or spiteful. Why would I put all my trust in them to keep my kid safe?

[Manic!]

Catering to students with special needs and banning nuts for an entire school and its staff are two different things. Schools aren't altering courses and lesson plans for every student to match that of the special needs kid who requires 1 on 1 lessons and takes all day to learn one concept.

My gf is a type 1 diabetic, who stays away from carbs and has an allergy to eggs. We have been together 4 years and I am still figuring out what is ok for her to eat/drink. She often orders a diet coke at a restaurant and is given a regular coke instead. When she informs them that she can't have it and needs a diet coke because it doesn't have sugar, the response is often "There's no sugar in diet coke?"

People are imperfect beings. They can make mistakes, be ignorant, uncaring, or spiteful. Why would I put all my trust in them to keep my kid safe?

Your telling me you are going to put your trust in a 6 year old not to eat nuts or foods that do not contain nuts?

It's up to adults to make sure kids are safe .

FYI: kids with special needs do get extra help and classes are modified to meet there needs.

[Berzerker]

Ya so lets segregate people. Have a school for cripples, a schools for kids with allergies, schools for kids with diabetes, schools for gays, school for trans the list can go on. It's peanuts for gods sake not a big deal to keep it out of a kids lunch.

It's not just lunch though is it. It's breakfast too. My kids have Peanut Butter toast for breakfast. Now they can't because they might take something to school. Wash your hands you say? It gets under finger nails. Also they are kids and they are slow ass some days and I have to rush them to the bus so hands don't get washed. So NO it's not just at school.
Oh wait buy Wow butter instead right? So now I have to think about someone else kid while I'm doing my shopping for MY family. Again your asking thousands of people (every person in every family of a child in that school plus teachers and their families too) to cater to 1 child. If a child has special needs in school it affects that child only and they get special help. The responsibility for them isn't placed in the hands of children and other parents.

Home schooling for kids is a very viable option these days with the advancement of technology.

Berz out.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Your telling me you are going to put your trust in a 6 year old not to eat nuts or foods that do not contain nuts?

It's up to adults to make sure kids are safe .

FYI: kids with special needs do get extra help and classes are modified to meet there needs.
Is this a serious response?

I am telling you I place the responsibility and trust to keep my kids safe on me, as a parent, first and foremost. I do not expect others, especially an public institution tasked with providing a standardized education at the lowest cost possible for as many as possible, to change the way they operate for all students and staff in order to match the needs of my kids.

FYI: There is a difference between accommodating someone and forcing everyone to be the same as them.

[Mr.HappySilp]

School is mandatory going to a restaurant is not. Schools already cater to all types of special needs, banning nuts is not a big deal.

My cousin have a learning disorder and overly active. His parents takes him a special school so he doesn't affect the learning of others around him. Why should other kids be bother by him (He will always go around bugging other kids in class, asking them questions, talking to them). Is not other kids fault that they have to cater to his needs. There are school that are design for special needs kids so they don't affect everyone else.

If my kids are in the same school as someone who is allergic to peanuts sure I won't pack lunch with peanuts or nuts for my kids that I know of. I won't however spend 20mins reaching each and every label of items I buy to make sure it have no peanuts or nuts. So if something I purchase happens to have nuts it them, too bad so sad.

[Zedbra]

As a parent of two little ones, this discussion has been booted around many times over the years. I can empathize with allergies and parents wanting to care for their children, it's what a parent does. Free education is part of our society, but taxes to pay for it isn't. So when does one groups' needs outweigh another and when will there not be someone that feels included through legislated exclusion? Our current social engineering is headed down a one-way road, starting with parents now wishing the entire system to cater to their individual needs. Not sure there is any answer that would make both sides happy, and the issue will only grow.

When do you draw a line? A few years ago, a woman sued an Ontario school board under a Human Rights Tribunal - yeah, Human Rights, to ban the entire school from all children bringing anything with dairy or eggs. Now, there are hundreds of requests in Ontario - one child has allergies to apples, others to pollen in the air (wants the school board to weed the forest) - as a Human Right. So, where is the severity line drawn? Who caters to whom? This is the aftermath, took years to accomplish: https://www.thespec.com/news-story/5246691-hamilton-girl-thriving-in-school-after-ban-on-dairy-eggs/

If my child was so allergic to foods that they could die by being around other children - I would not be putting my trust onto the school or other parents to handle the welfare of my child; I would be home schooling or finding another solution. Berz makes some good retorts and I agree to a degree.

[!LittleDragon]

Ya so lets segregate people. Have a school for cripples, a schools for kids with allergies, schools for kids with diabetes, schools for gays, school for trans the list can go on. It's peanuts for gods sake not a big deal to keep it out of a kids lunch.

The logical fallacy here is called the appeal to extremes.

[westopher]

What would the repercussions be for a parent who sent their child to class with a PB sammich? Would the school kick that child out of school therefore saying "Your child is not as important as this child with allergies."

Berz out.
Well, your child's lunch isn't as important as the other child's life, so that comparison is pretty irrational.

For the record, I agree with you about the part about not sending my kid to public school if she would die from being in the same room as a peanut.

[MSREE]

I don't think peanut free is hard to oblige. Nowadays there are so many options. My friend who's allergic to peanuts can eat any other type of nut. Theres almond butter, cashew butter, etc. In terms of your kids school, I dont have kids yet but wouldn't have a problem catering to that because if the roles were reversed and my child had a deadly allergy, I would want other parents to extend the same understanding and compassion.

Having allergies myself, I understand what it's like to feel frustrated that I can't eat what other people eat without having any side effects. My grandpa actually told my parents to give me a little of everything I was allergic to so my body would get used to it and not go into shock when I came into contact with it.

Allergies change about every 7 years or so. I highly believe it stems from our gut and our food. Gut dysbiosis can contribute to a lot of allergies. Antibiotics are the devil....slowly overtime antibiotics destroy the good bacteria in your GI and can cause leaky gut. Leaky gut has symptoms that present themselves as allergies/food sensitivities. Meat, dairy and processed foods are the hardest on your system.

There's natural remedies for most things. For me, anything less than your throat closing up can be worked on. If you're lactose intolerant, you can ingest 250ml of kefir a day and slowly build up. It helps your body learn how to digest properties of lactose.

Fermented foods & raw vegan juices are a fucking godsend.

[DKaz]

I think kids with allergies need to learn to deal with their allergies because they are not going to be sheltered their entire lives. There was a girl in UBC a few years back who ordered a smoothie that had peanut products in it (I think intentionally, a protein shake maybe) and unfortunately did not have her Epi-pen with her and passed away.

At the same time, kids will be kids, they get their kids dirty at lunch then get their hands everywhere. So I can understand why a ban is in place in elementary school.

There's a peanut butter alternative called Wow-butter which my kids like.