[Manic!]

https://globalnews.ca/news/3759980/dianne-watts-bc-liberal-leadership/

Surrey Conservative MP Dianne Watts is set to step down from her federal seat and run for the leadership of the BC Liberal Party.

Watts, the former three-term mayor of Surrey, has long been speculated as a candidate to lead the BC Liberals, who became the opposition after the BC NDP formed a minority government with the support of the Greens.

She’s expected to announce her run for the leadership on Sunday.

Not good for the BC liberals.

Looks like Herb Dhaliwal is also thinking of running.

http://desibuzzbc.com/2017/09/19/brown-horse-veteran-federal-liberal-herb-dhaliwal-testing-the-waters-for-bc-liberal-leadership/

ell known Indo-Canadian businessman and veteran federal Liberal Harbance Singh (Herb) Dhaliwal, who was first elected to the Canadian House of Commons in the 1993 election as the Liberal Member of Parliament (MP) for Vancouver South, is testing the waters for a BC Liberal leadership run, which currently has a front-runner in Dianne Watts, who also has not officially announced her leadership bid but is well underway in fundraising and membership sign-ups.

BC-Liberal Contenders-WattsSeveral sources told DESIBUZZCanada that many of Dhaliwal’s supporters including his family members have been phoning prominent people in the Indo-Canadian and mainstream communities to seek support for a possible Dhaliwal candidacy.

DESIBUZZCanada originally broke the story that BC Liberal leadership contest was well on its way after former Premier Christy Clark failed to win a majority in the May provincial election and fell one seat short of forming another BC Liberal government. At the time, we featured many names as would-be candidates, including Contenders, No Chance Candidates and Dark Horses but at the time there was no Brown Horse in the picture as one of Dhaliwal’s supporters called him.

“Brown Horse to the rescue of the BC Liberal party,” one Dhaliwal supporter mused to DESIBUZZCanada, saying a big LOL at the end. “We are encouraging Herb to run and he will be a sane voice in the party that has veered too far to the right and is out of touch with regular British Columbians. Herb is a great leader and I think he will become the first elected Indo-Canadian Premier despite all the nonsense about Ujjal Dosanjh being the first Indo-Canadian Premier by winning the party leadership and inheriting the Premiership. He was never elected, in fact he led the NDP to one of it’s worst losses in BC.”

Herb-Dhaliwal-BC-Libs3Dhaliwal, who was part of Prime Minister Jean Chrétien’s Cabinet (the first Indo-Canadian to become a federal cabinet minister) in 1997 as Minister of Revenue, later held other portfolios including Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, and in 2002 Minister of Natural Resources and Minister with political responsibility for British Columbia.

Dhaliwal was a big supporter of Chrétien and fought against Paul Martin's attempt to force the Liberal leader out and was forced out of politics along with Chretien by Martin's campaign team. Dhaliwal publicly denounced Martin's campaign team for this, and criticized them for restricting access to Liberal Party membership forms.

Allegations were made by Warren Kinsella, among others, that Martin's team exploited the fact that Dhaliwal's wife was suffering from cancer, although Dhaliwal was not with his wife, but rather travelling out of the country on the date of his riding's annual general meeting, which he lost. Dhaliwal’s wife eventually passed away and remarried several years later but has never returned to politics.

Born in India at Chiheru, Punjab in 1952, Dhaliwal's family emigrated to Vancouver when he was six. He attended John Oliver Secondary School, graduating in 1972.

Herb-Dhaliwal-BC-LibsDhaliwal is currently married to Dr. Neelu Kang Dhaliwal, PhD (Sociology) who has a son from her previous marriage, Chandraveer Kang Dhaliwal. Herb's first marriage was to Amrit Dhaliwal, who died of cancer in 2004. He has three children from his first marriage, Andrea, Justin and Jessica.

[Hondaracer]

Not good? She’s probably the best candidate possible.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Why not good? She seems doing ok.

[SiRV]

Conservative MP Dianne Watts is set to step down from her federal seat and run for the leadership of the BC Liberal Party.

Why can't they just freaking rebrand the BC NDP to = BC Liberals and the BC Liberals to be the BC Conservatives.

[TjAlmeida]

Why can't they just freaking rebrand the BC NDP to = BC Liberals and the BC Liberals to be the BC Conservatives.

Probably because there are too many people who vote based on the party name or colour. Just like how im sure a lot of people voted NDP, not because they wanted NDP but because they didn't want Christy Clarke. Same with Trudeau and Harper, people voting red because they didn't want the man in front of the blue.

[murd0c]

This is the best possible move, I will vote for her!!

[yray]

Liberals need young blood

[Traum]

She’s probably the best candidate possible.
While I agree with this comment, I'd also have to wonder -- how fundamentally different would a Dianne Watts Liberals be compared to the final term Gordon Campbell Liberals, and the Christy Clark Liberals?

[vitaminG]

Not good for the BC liberals.


Do you have any coherent reason for saying this? Is she not sjw enough for you?

I think watts did a great job running surrey and there's a very good chance of her being the next premier if she throws her hat in the ring

[Great68]

Not good? She’s probably the best candidate possible.

I'd prefer Andrew Wilkinson.

[Hondaracer]

I'd prefer Andrew Wilkinson.

I think the libs have a better chance with someone who wasnt directly affiliated with the previous regime as opposed to Wilkinson in the former attorney general i believe?

I'm not disagreeing that he wouldn't be the better choice, i just think the libs have a better shot with watts, especially with the shift in voters that happened in surrey.

[Manic!]

Do you have any coherent reason for saying this? Is she not sjw enough for you?

I think watts did a great job running surrey and there's a very good chance of her being the next premier if she throws her hat in the ring

I was in a rush to leave when I posted. Here is my reasons.

I know the federal and provincial party are different but for many people having a conservative taking over the Liberal party is not good. How long before someone brings up the barbaric cultural practices hotline.

The province is moving more left and the liberals need someone who can get votes from the center left and center right. I don't think she can get votes from the center left.

[Traum]

The province is moving more left and the liberals need someone who can get votes from the center left and center right. I don't think she can get votes from the center left.
Manic, I think you're giving people too much credit in terms of their own political understandings. A gob ton of people are simply going to think that -- hey, Watts did a bang up job in running Surrey! She has both municipal and federal experience, so she'll do good at the provincial level too! I hate the NDP and she is not Christy Clark! Let's vote for her.

:badpokerface: FailFish

[Great68]

I think the libs have a better chance with someone who wasnt directly affiliated with the previous regime as opposed to Wilkinson in the former attorney general i believe?

I'm not disagreeing that he wouldn't be the better choice, i just think the libs have a better shot with watts, especially with the shift in voters that happened in surrey.

On the flip side I think Watts' association as a federal conservative could hurt her and the party, especially with some of the attack ads she endorsed:

Dianne Watts facing scrutiny over campaign flyer - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/dianne-watts-facing-scrutiny-over-campaign-flyer-1.3240629)

Before politics Wilkinson was a medical doctor and also has a degree in law and worked in a law firm. Diane Watts was a stay at home mom.

I know who I feel is more educated and qualified to run a province...
Plus I met him in person and he left a good impression on me.

[Manic!]

No one talking about Herb? I think he would make a great leader.

[quasi]

If Watts runs for the leadership she will win easily IMO.

[Mr.HappySilp]

On the flip side I think Watts' association as a federal conservative could hurt her and the party, especially with some of the attack ads she endorsed:

Dianne Watts facing scrutiny over campaign flyer - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/dianne-watts-facing-scrutiny-over-campaign-flyer-1.3240629)

Before politics Wilkinson was a medical doctor and also has a degree in law and worked in a law firm. Diane Watts was a stay at home mom.

I know who I feel is more educated and qualified to run a province...
Plus I met him in person and he left a good impression on me.

Education /= smart and qualified. translink have a lot of managers and CEO with good education but look how shitty it is run.

[Great68]

In most cases yes, yes it does.

Especially when that field of education is relevant to the position.

You can't even begin to qualify to be an M.D. or Peng etc. without the supporting education and certifications. You can't exactly be stupid to get those.

[carisear]

In most cases yes, yes it does.

Especially when that field of education is relevant to the position.

You can't even begin to qualify to be an M.D. or Peng etc. without the supporting education and certifications. You can't exactly be stupid to get those.


I don't agree with this statement. you can entirely be stupid to get any number of degrees. all you need to be able to do is remember things you read.

My opinion on formal old school education could be its own thread... but real world application of your knowledge is far more important than any specific letters after your name.

[Hondaracer]

Law degree's are one of the only ones which is directly relevant to politics imo.

Christy studied poli science but never attained any degree from any post secondary school, like it or not she did a pretty decent job of running the province for more than a decade.

Political leaders, for the most part, are just figure heads anyways, and imo Watts would be the perfect leader to get the liberals back in power because they will most likely just leverage her previous achievements as mayor into a likable party leader, backing a toned down liberal agenda.

If they do it right, NDP wont be in power 4 years from now imo. They've already shot themselves in the foot enough times to turn the opinion of your typical dummy 1 topic voter, and Watts is likeable enough and a personable enough to sway those idiots who dont know shit about anything when they walk into the voters box..

still a chance for my dream threesome...

https://www.straight.com/files/v3/2014/07/Dianne%20Watts%201.jpg

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http://cdn.betakit.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/o-CHRISTY-CLARK-facebook.jpg

:fullofwin:

[6o4__boi]

still a chance for my dream threesome...

https://www.straight.com/files/v3/2014/07/Dianne%20Watts%201.jpg

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http://cdn.betakit.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/o-CHRISTY-CLARK-facebook.jpg

:fullofwin:

https://media.giphy.com/media/aZ3LDBs1ExsE8/giphy.gif

[meme405]

I don't agree with this statement. you can entirely be stupid to get any number of degrees. all you need to be able to do is remember things you read.

My opinion on formal old school education could be its own thread... but real world application of your knowledge is far more important than any specific letters after your name.

I agree, getting your degree has very little to do with practical knowledge, you can be good at school but suck outside of it.

But to complete becoming both an acredited MD and Peng obviously means someone isn't stupid, because both those accreditation require loads of practical experience in each field.

I'll post face this with the following real life experience: I've met plenty of engineering graduates who are fucking stupid. I have yet to meet any Accredited Professional Engineers who are willingly and knowingly stupid.

[CivicBlues]

Who the fuck is Peng? Some Taiwanese candidate?

ffs it's P.Eng.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Law degree's are one of the only ones which is directly relevant to politics imo.

Christy studied poli science but never attained any degree from any post secondary school, like it or not she did a pretty decent job of running the province for more than a decade.

Political leaders, for the most part, are just figure heads anyways, and imo Watts would be the perfect leader to get the liberals back in power because they will most likely just leverage her previous achievements as mayor into a likable party leader, backing a toned down liberal agenda.

If they do it right, NDP wont be in power 4 years from now imo. They've already shot themselves in the foot enough times to turn the opinion of your typical dummy 1 topic voter, and Watts is likeable enough and a personable enough to sway those idiots who dont know shit about anything when they walk into the voters box..

still a chance for my dream threesome...



:fullofwin:

If they can stay in power for that long. So far they seem to be doing a pretty fine job of handing out free money while taxing everyone who works.

[meme405]

Who the fuck is Peng? Some Taiwanese candidate?

ffs it's P.Eng.

I figured most people wouldn't be worried about my spelling of P.Eng given the amount of fucks, and cunts and other colourful language I use in my posts probably proves I'm just an uneducated schmuck.

[Great68]

Who the fuck is Peng? Some Taiwanese candidate?

ffs it's P.Eng.

Well la dee dah

[CivicBlues]

*La di da


:D

[Traum]

Say waat? :badpokerface:
Christy studied poli science but never attained any degree from any post secondary school, like it or not she did a pretty decent job of running the province for more than a decade.
Last I checked, Christy Clark was only in office between March 2011 - July 2017. That isn't even 7 years, let alone more than a decade. She has been involved in different aspects of the provincial government for over 10 years, but that is not the same as "running the province", where the premier provide a leading direction, set your governmental agendas, and determine your provincial priorities.


Political leaders, for the most part, are just figure heads anyways, and imo Watts would be the perfect leader to get the liberals back in power because they will most likely just leverage her previous achievements as mayor into a likable party leader, backing a toned down liberal agenda.

I would also disagree with this. It is true that political leaders do not usually get involved at a hands-on level with policy implementation. But as I have just indicated above, a proper political leader shapes the direction and priorities of the government. More often than not, they also set the tone on how their government approach things. A bad political leader -- there is no better current or recent example than Trump -- will cause the government to indefinitely stall on its policy implementation & execution. A good leader, on the other hand, will get things done and have their names engraved in the history books -- case in point, Obama got ACA / Obamacare implemented, and we know that isn't going away any time soon.

[GLOW]

I figured most people wouldn't be worried about my spelling of P.Eng given the amount of fucks, and cunts and other colourful language I use in my posts probably proves I'm just an uneducated schmuck.

:bowdown: PQS mang...your word is God

Who the fuck is Peng? Some Taiwanese candidate?

ffs it's P.Eng.

professional engineers often use these variations of P.Eng. -> P.Eng PEng

never would have expected this topic of conversation to come up on RS

[GS8]

Another ex-mayor wants to join the race.

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/resizer/K3MPQAUQ5p5dq9VpwcC4cCFmDcE=/620x0/arc-anglerfish-tgam-prod-tgam.s3.amazonaws.com/public/2LA7FRFGGNCT3JVITGFFYWUWHM.JPG

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/mike-bernier-and-sam-sullivan-to-run-for-bc-liberal-leadership/article36362852/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&

The race to lead the BC Liberals, now out of power for the first time in 16 years, has picked up steam with a pair of candidates – a former Vancouver mayor and a recent education minister – declaring on Thursday that they will run for job.

They join Conservative MP Dianne Watts, a former mayor of the City of Surrey, who will launch her campaign on Sunday, a source in her campaign confirmed this week. A spokesperson for Ms. Watts said she would not comment further before her announcement.

Several former cabinet ministers have also been talking about bids to replace former premier Christy Clark without actually jumping in.

On Thursday, however, Mike Bernier, an education minister under Ms. Clark, said in a statement that he will launch his leadership bid in Dawson Creek, where he has lived for 24 years, on Saturday and then go to Vancouver on Monday to further talk about his campaign.

Also, Sam Sullivan, Vancouver's mayor from 2005 to 2008 and now an MLA representing Vancouver-False Creek, said in an interview that he will run a provocative campaign to win the leadership of the BC Liberals.

Mr. Sullivan said his policy proposals include reviving the controversial harmonized sales tax under a new name – the modified sales tax, privatizing elements of health care, higher density to allow more and cheaper housing, and a binding royal commission to eliminate redundancies among fire, police and emergency services. He also said he would like to sell government liquor stores to their employees.

Former premier Gordon Campbell introduced the HST after the Liberals won a majority government in 2009, even though he had ruled it out during the campaign. Controversy over the plan led to Mr. Campbell's resignation in 2010 as well as a 2011 referendum in which the majority of voters rejected the tax.

In an interview, Mr. Sullivan said the HST has been endorsed by many economists. "Now that we're over the emotional part of [the HST], we can have a rational discussion," he said.

Mr. Sullivan described his embrace of controversial policies as a strategy to garner winning support. "Each of these positions is probably not recommended individually, but each has a small but ardent constituency. I feel that if I could weave those different constituencies together, it could end up being a winning formula."

Mr. Sullivan said he is running to win or identify a prospective winner he can throw his support behind. He also said his goal is to rally younger and urban people to the Liberal party, winning back votes that may have gone to the BC Green Party in the previous election.

Mr. Sullivan, who is quadriplegic, said he will be fine travelling the province looking for votes in a winter campaign. He said that when he has shown up in places that aren't accessible, he highlights shortfalls requiring action. Of the necessary travel ahead, Mr. Sullivan said: "It's all possible. It's all doable with a little willpower."

Mr. Sullivan was a long-time city councillor, who eventually became mayor under the Non-Partisan Association banner. He was challenged and replaced as NPA candidate ahead of the 2008 election in which Gregor Robertson, representing the Vision Vancouver party, became mayor.

Asked what he expected provincial Liberals to make of that situation, Mr. Sullivan said, "That was clearly not the best outcome." He said he learned lessons, including ensuring all caucus members feel valued and have a vital role.

Under Mr. Campbell and Ms. Clark, the BC Liberals dominated politics for 16 years until voters gave them a minority in the May election. The Liberals lost a no-confidence vote to the combined forces of the NDP and the BC Greens, allowing the NDP to take control.

Former cabinet ministers Todd Stone, Andrew Wilkinson and Mike de Jong have all said they are considering leadership bids along with Michael Lee, a business lawyer who won the riding of Vancouver-Langara in the last election. Several candidates are expected to enter the race next week.

[welfare]

In most cases yes, yes it does.

Especially when that field of education is relevant to the position.

You can't even begin to qualify to be an M.D. or Peng etc. without the supporting education and certifications. You can't exactly be stupid to get those.

"The road to hell is paved in ivy league degrees"
Thomas Sowell

No one is saying he's stupid. That's not to say his credentials make him anymore capable to lead the province

[GLOW]

i want a PhD and Masters degree from King's Lake University Kappa :troll:

[CivicBlues]

:bowdown: PQS mang...your word is God



professional engineers often use these variations of P.Eng. -> P.Eng PEng

never would have expected this topic of conversation to come up on RS

Yeah, but never "peng"

I guess I'll go flash around my bs now (Bachelor of Science, that is)

[Hondaracer]

Say waat? :badpokerface:

Last I checked, Christy Clark was only in office between March 2011 - July 2017. That isn't even 7 years, let alone more than a decade. She has been involved in different aspects of the provincial government for over 10 years, but that is not the same as "running the province", where the premier provide a leading direction, set your governmental agendas, and determine your provincial priorities.


I would also disagree with this. It is true that political leaders do not usually get involved at a hands-on level with policy implementation. But as I have just indicated above, a proper political leader shapes the direction and priorities of the government. More often than not, they also set the tone on how their government approach things. A bad political leader -- there is no better current or recent example than Trump -- will cause the government to indefinitely stall on its policy implementation & execution. A good leader, on the other hand, will get things done and have their names engraved in the history books -- case in point, Obama got ACA / Obamacare implemented, and we know that isn't going away any time soon.

Mixed my liberal rule with Christy's rule, although even 7 years for somone with no post secondary education, if they have as much control as you are assuming, you've got to give her credit for the job she did.

Also in your second example, i'm pretty sure history already views obama as the nice, charismatic guy, who could never push through anything through, quite the opposite of what you're describing there. Outside of Obamacare, his failure to change gun laws, foreign policy, job creation, econominc stimulus, etc. etc. time after time getting shot down in congress is a huge point of contention with Obamas presidency. As far as i understand at least.

In regards to Sam Sullivan, i think his platform actually has some merit from what ive heard, however i will never forget a chance encounter i had with him which has kind of soured me on him as some sort of leader forever lol..

Was walking through Yaletown one day, i believe when he was still mayor, and he wheeled out of the doorway of a restaurant right in front of me. I obviously recognized him instantly and politely said, "Good day Mayor"

he looked at me with like a terrified surprised and kind of cowered away from me in his chair and scooted off without saying a word... I was dressed alright as i was going out for dinner, fairly clean cut, harmless looking white guy, and he looked as if i was going to mug him for his chair :badpokerface:

[westopher]

You must have done something weird haha.
Sully has always been unbelievably friendly in my encounters with him. Him as a leader would make me consider the libs again. They are such a fucked up party here though. Its like they try and encompass a conservative/liberal/NDP style of platforms and you don't really know what you are going to get in any given situation.

[GLOW]

Yeah, but never "peng"

I guess I'll go flash around my bs now (Bachelor of Science, that is)

i always like to throw around my bs :badpokerface: (i do not have a bachelor of science)

someone asked me proofread something for them once...i ask why me?
she says...b/c you have an English degree...i'm like wuchutalkinboutwillis????

she asks: you have a B.Eng. right?

:lawl: