[pastarocket]

Today is a big day for Lamborghini. Lambo had its world premiere of its SUV, the Urus, today.

This beast, which will be seen in the Lower Mainland soon thanks to the terrible drivers, C Lai's (mainlander housewives). :lawl:

Specs: 650 hp

twin turbo V8 engine.

0 to 100 in 3.6 seconds

https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news-pictures-600x/lamborghini-urus-is-world-s-fastest-suv-nurburgring-record-teased-at-launch-122081-7.jpg

http://www.carblogindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Lamborghini-Urus-Concept-SUV-Interiors_thumb.jpg

https://youtu.be/Xz2N-32Q8t4

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[twitchyzero]

whoever designed the rear door handles should be slapped
and i'm sure it's a great car

but this thread is now about the LM002

http://st.automobilemag.com/uploads/sites/11/2017/01/1990-Lamborghini-LM002-Petrolicious-Just-Listed-Side-Rear-Copy.jpg

this one only has 3k haha

Just Listed: 1990 Lamborghini LM002 with Just 3,300 Miles | Automobile Magazine (http://www.automobilemag.com/news/just-listed-1990-lamborghini-lm002-just-3300-miles/#1990-lamborghini-lm002-petrolicious-just-listed-interior-copy)

[Mr.Money]

if anything only the super rich will buy one....hell i rarely see anyone drive a G-wagon downtown for 200k brand new or even the Bentley SUV..

Can't wait to hear the Exhaust tone on it,if it starts popping away like a huracan but Deeper tone..uh oh oh oh.

[originalhypa]

whoever designed the rear door handles should be slapped
and i'm sure it's a great car

but this thread is now about the LM002

http://st.automobilemag.com/uploads/sites/11/2017/01/1990-Lamborghini-LM002-Petrolicious-Just-Listed-Side-Rear-Copy.jpg

this one only has 3k haha

Just Listed: 1990 Lamborghini LM002 with Just 3,300 Miles | Automobile Magazine (http://www.automobilemag.com/news/just-listed-1990-lamborghini-lm002-just-3300-miles/#1990-lamborghini-lm002-petrolicious-just-listed-interior-copy)

Ungghhhhh.
I love that truck. For $309k though, it’s more of a musuem piece now.
Pity.

[teggy604]

loving the seat cracks. maybe drainage for when you piss your pants.

[asian_XL]

Urus
0 to 100 in 3.6 seconds

Model X
0 to 100 in 3.2 seconds

[Manic!]

Urus
0 to 100 in 3.6 seconds

Model X
0 to 100 in 3.2 seconds

Whats the model X ring time?

[Badhobz]

Why just why..... Friggin sad. I cried a little when Maserati made the levientee or however you spell that overpriced Jeep Cherokee. Ferraris the last man out for the Italians now. Hopefully they'll remain true to their heritage

[BIC_BAWS]

if anything only the super rich will buy one....hell i rarely see anyone drive a G-wagon downtown for 200k brand new or even the Bentley SUV..

So you mean we'll see it in Richmond? Cause I see plenty of G500 4x4^2 and Bentley suvs



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[vitaminG]

the cayenne allowed porsche to make lots of cool shit they wouldnt have otherwise been able to. hopefully same happens for lambo i dont really give a shit about their brand identity if they make cool cars.

wonder if that v8 will find its way into a harucan

[Badhobz]

the cayenne allowed porsche to make lots of cool shit they wouldnt have otherwise been able to. hopefully same happens for lambo i dont really give a shit about their brand identity if they make cool cars.

wonder if that v8 will find its way into a harucan

No man. The cayenne allowed Porsche to stay alive. It didn't improve their lineup in any meaningful way. That's why the old air-cooled 993's are still sky high expensive.

Lambo / Ferrari and Maserati doesn't have the problem of surviving. ThIs is just corporate greed for the sake of shareholders. In lambo case I'm sure the vw group is trying to recoup the billions lost through diesel gate.

[originalhypa]

Why just why..... Friggin sad. I cried a little when Maserati made the levientee or however you spell that overpriced Jeep Cherokee. Ferraris the last man out for the Italians now. Hopefully they'll remain true to their heritage

Let the future come!
These vehicles are well engineered, and who knows what your needs may be in a few years. I like the option of a luxury suv. I have a 750m long, gravel driveway. My only option may be a luxo suv.

:notbad:

[CorneringArtist]

if anything only the super rich will buy one....hell i rarely see anyone drive a G-wagon downtown for 200k brand new or even the Bentley SUV..

Can't wait to hear the Exhaust tone on it,if it starts popping away like a huracan but Deeper tone..uh oh oh oh.

At least the Bentayga has an optional wine rack? Where am I supposed to put my vintage Chardonnay in this Lamborghini?

[toyota86]

the guys over at lambo vancouver said there are 60-70 pre-orders already. don't quote me though.

[The_AK]

if anything only the super rich will buy one....hell i rarely see anyone drive a G-wagon downtown for 200k brand new or even the Bentley SUV..

Can't wait to hear the Exhaust tone on it,if it starts popping away like a huracan but Deeper tone..uh oh oh oh.

meanwhile there are like 3 G wagons at the Richmond steve nash underground parking

the guys over at lambo vancouver said there are 60-70 pre-orders already. don't quote me though.

[boostfever]

if anything only the super rich will buy one....hell i rarely see anyone drive a G-wagon downtown for 200k brand new or even the Bentley SUV..

wat?
you must live in the wrong part of town. Downtown is swarmed with new G AMGs and Bentley SUVs. Tonight alone I spotted a silver 4x4 g500 in kits..
and last week spotted a G65 in south Granville. And there is more than one G65 in Van..

[boostfever]

No man. The cayenne allowed Porsche to stay alive. It didn't improve their lineup in any meaningful way. That's why the old air-cooled 993's are still sky high expensive. .

So, according to you, the new 911s are shit to drive and everyone wants a 993? What's a "meaningful way" anyway? care to elaborate?

[Manic!]

Doesn't a RS member have one on order?

[asian_XL]

Whats the model X ring time?

the battery will overheat

[Badhobz]

So, according to you, the new 911s are shit to drive and everyone wants a 993? What's a "meaningful way" anyway? care to elaborate?

Yup. Compared to the 993 they have lost something in the interpretation of what a Porsche is. Go drive the latest carrera and then drive it back to back with the old air cooled one. It's like night and day. The old ones were very direct and analogue.

With the exception of the gt3rs's I don't really like their lineup. Most people will never have the experience of driving a 993 or older vintage. If they did I think they'll realise the difference.

[underscore]

Let the future come!
These vehicles are well engineered, and who knows what your needs may be in a few years. I like the option of a luxury suv. I have a 750m long, gravel driveway. My only option may be a luxo suv.

:notbad:

It's from an Italian supercar company, I doubt it will be any more reliable than anything else made there. If you want a luxurious SUV there are already a mountain of options, so there's no point in buying this thing unless for some reason you want to be able to tell people you have a Lambo without ever showing it to them (since the second they see it they'll be disappointed).

[lowside67]

Yup. Compared to the 993 they have lost something in the interpretation of what a Porsche is. Go drive the latest carrera and then drive it back to back with the old air cooled one. It's like night and day. The old ones were very direct and analogue.

With the exception of the gt3rs's I don't really like their lineup. Most people will never have the experience of driving a 993 or older vintage. If they did I think they'll realise the difference.
Have you actually driven a 993? It may be the most overhyped sports car on the planet. The 997 I replaced it with at the time was a better car in literally every way possible except it didn’t have the Porsche “last air cooled” wanker card to play.

-Mark

[boostfever]

Yup. Compared to the 993 they have lost something in the interpretation of what a Porsche is. Go drive the latest carrera and then drive it back to back with the old air cooled one. It's like night and day. The old ones were very direct and analogue.

With the exception of the gt3rs's I don't really like their lineup. Most people will never have the experience of driving a 993 or older vintage. If they did I think they'll realise the difference.

That entirely depends on what you're looking for in your "sports car". I have driven all sorts of Porsche, as far as a '89 Speedster, and by driven I don't mean valet parking. As lowdside mentioned, the 997 for example is far more superior car in almost every way compared to a 993, expect for the nostalgic factor maybe. But that alone or the "aircooled" feeling doesn't make the new 911s any lesser cars. The 993s feel underpowered IMO (have not tried TT) but they sure are pleasant to drive.

[originalhypa]

It's from an Italian supercar company, I doubt it will be any more reliable than anything else made there.

Italian design, with German management.
When the VAG took over Lambo, they actually made it a real car company. Ze Germans brought in inventory control, quality control, proper management and the concept of personal responsibility.

An old buddy of mine was an automotive genius, and was tasked with rebuilding a 25th anniversary Countach. He was having one hell of a time getting a wiring harness for the thing, because Lamborghini didn't keep very good records of that sort of thing. They literally had to go into the basement of the offices in St Agata, and finger through paper build copies that were poorly filed. It took him months to get the info he needed.

Long story short, Lamborghini ran out of Countach engines halfway through building the 25th anniversary Countach cars, so they threw in the new Diablo engines instead. Literally just tossed them in and made them work. I can't even think of an example that we could use, as it's just so asinine!

Now, from a coolness standpoint that's gangsta, for sure.
But it's a terrible way to run a company.
:fullofwin:

I'd still love to have this in my driveway one day.

[Hehe]

IMO Lambo is clearly missing the point of their brand and what to do with SUV.

I don't mind a Lambo SUV, but it should not be a fast car.

I mean, being a Lambo with its V12 engines and all, fast is given, relative to 99% of cars on the road, but they should have made it the most badass and road-trip worthy vehicle ever made, period.

Lambo was created to be that rebel to build the uncompromised sports car. If it's going to build an SUV, it might as well build the best SUV one can ever build when money is no issue, not the fastest (which it probably isn't).

[ZN6]

So how many do you think will actually go off-road or do anything that's outdoorsy?

inb4 c-lai washes bumper with gasoline.

[twitchyzero]

i'm not their target audience but agreed it would be nice to focus more on the off-road capabilities as a truck than a X6/Model X competitor.

something to wedge against the G-Wagen, LX, Range Rover

[SeedBNR]

The Chinas love the G-Wagon for some odd reason..

[ws6ta]

upcoming audi q8 looks quite similar
http://images.car.bauercdn.com/pagefiles/70598/zaudi_rsq8_91.jpg

[underscore]

Italian design, with German management.
When the VAG took over Lambo, they actually made it a real car company. Ze Germans brought in inventory control, quality control, proper management and the concept of personal responsibility.

The Germans also bring in overcomplicated nonsense that costs a fortune to repair once it has any sort of mileage on it. So it still depreciates like a stone and costs a pile to maintain, but now it's been neutered by German accountants. Forgive me for not dancing in the streets with excitement.

[Z3guy]

obviously no one commenting on the Urus is a potential customer. Remember the comments about the Cayenne when it was launched? Now people applaud Porsche for doing it because it generated so much cash they could afford more R&D dollars for the 911. Hence a more up date 911.
I bet the Lamborghini will sell everyone they make and every rich guy/gal from China will want one. This will be the new status symbol of every rich mainlander.
It is a matter of time before Ferrari and Aston enter into the game. The potential massive profits far outweigh the hit to brand erosion.
Let's face it, the sedan is dead, and the crossover will be the new norm.

[Harvey Specter]

I had deposit on the Urus when I had my 580 but cancelled it and got allocation for the Performante.

Initially pricing was hovering around $250k CDN all in with options, now from what I was told you're looking at around $280k CDN with options. Flippers might make money in the short term because production for the first year will be half and all allocation looks be to going but in 2019 they'll ramp it up to 3500 Urus' per year and also introduce a hybrid plug in. To put that in prospective, Lambo has capped all cars at 3500 which includes all the Aventador and Huracan models so they'll be a lot of Urus' been produced which isn't going to be good for resale.

Styling wise I like it but I don't love it. Have to see the demo when it arrives in Feb.

[Z3guy]

The Germans also bring in overcomplicated nonsense that costs a fortune to repair once it has any sort of mileage on it. So it still depreciates like a stone and costs a pile to maintain, but now it's been neutered by German accountants. Forgive me for not dancing in the streets with excitement.

I agree with your depreciation comments, but that hasn't seem to hurt Rolls or Bentley sales. Have you seen the depreciation rates on those things!!!

[originalhypa]

Forgive me for not dancing in the streets with excitement.

:fullofwin:

I’ll admit, That was kind of funny, but really, what does it matter anyway?
You might be able to afford a 2020 Uras in year 2035, if you can find a high mileage one, with Icbc claims, driven a clai who smoked, plus your condo has to keep going up in value.
:D

Needless to say, I don’t think that neither the Italians nor the Germans care what you and I think.

[Traum]

The thing that caught my eyes was:

17.3-inch carbon ceramic rotors sit under 21-inch wheels and are clamped by 10-piston calipers up front
That rotor is literally bigger than the wheels on my daily beater by 2"+, and 1 single front caliper has 5x more pistons than mine has on all 4 wheels. :bowjerk: :bowjerk:

[Hehe]

So how many do you think will actually go off-road or do anything that's outdoorsy?

inb4 c-lai washes bumper with gasoline.

It doesn't need to be off-road worthy, but rather road-trip worthy.

I mean, it should be able to handle a good amount of off-roading, but the idea is that it's a superb (if not the best) grand tourer. It could offer an incredible driving experience (as in speed) as one would expect from Lambo, yet offering the adaptability of an SUV to different terrains.

It's stuck in a very awkward position IMO... it's not as fast as a sports car, not as flexible as a true SUV (think Range Rover or even G-class) and yet not as luxury as Bentayga and whatever RR is about to bring.

If it brought as an even better Range Rover to the market (luxury and craftsmanship of Italian automaker with Lambo's V12), I think it could successfully target a very specific niche and differentiate itself from everyone else quite well.

[Badhobz]

Have you actually driven a 993? It may be the most overhyped sports car on the planet. The 997 I replaced it with at the time was a better car in literally every way possible except it didn’t have the Porsche “last air cooled” wanker card to play.

-Mark

I owned a 993 for 2 years before I sold it for my Maserati. I like how you mentioned the 997 and not the 991. I almost pulled the trigger on a 997.2 Targa4S when I was cross shopping with my Maz. Ultimately I thought the porsche was too plain jane and i wanted something a bit more sexy to look at.

I drove that 991 and i honestly didnt like it at all. The steering is lifeless and the chasis was too buttoned down. It drives more like a GT car now then the older Porsches.

[Harvey Specter]

First look/overview video:


https://www.topgear.com/videos/first-look/everything-you-need-know-about-lambo-urus

[Badhobz]

needs scissor doors and a rap video.

[Z3guy]

I owned a 993 for 2 years before I sold it for my Maserati. I like how you mentioned the 997 and not the 991. I almost pulled the trigger on a 997.2 Targa4S when I was cross shopping with my Maz. Ultimately I thought the porsche was too plain jane and i wanted something a bit more sexy to look at.

I drove that 991 and i honestly didnt like it at all. The steering is lifeless and the chasis was too buttoned down. It drives more like a GT car now then the older Porsches.

I do agree the steering could have more feedback on the 991, but in every other category including looks, the 991 crushes the 997 in every parameter possible. haha! the 991 was not an incremental step forward, like the 997.2 was, but a new superior car in every way. The 4 inches of extra wheel base has taken all the bad attributes out of the 997 chassis (front end bob and rear end nervousness when off throttle). My 996 GT3 was a great driving car, however even from a pure performance standpoint it doesnt hold a candle to the 991 GTS. There is no comparsion when you hit a mid corner bump....

[conandoyle]

I bet we can see it in RICHmond soon...

[conandoyle]

First look/overview video:


https://www.topgear.com/videos/first-look/everything-you-need-know-about-lambo-urus

The calipers look humongous, 8 pot?:fullofwin:

[Badhobz]

I do agree the steering could have more feedback on the 991, but in every other category including looks, the 991 crushes the 997 in every parameter possible. haha! the 991 was not an incremental step forward, like the 997.2 was, but a new superior car in every way. The 4 inches of extra wheel base has taken all the bad attributes out of the 997 chassis (front end bob and rear end nervousness when off throttle). My 996 GT3 was a great driving car, however even from a pure performance standpoint it doesnt hold a candle to the 991 GTS. There is no comparsion when you hit a mid corner bump....

I don't race on the track so I really do not have a viable opinion of high speed stability. I just compare "butt feel" and "engagement" if those are even quantitative. Most of the newer cars are faster than their predecessors, if they weren't that wouldnt be progress. Yet I'd take an old e30 m3 over the new f30 m3 and my "old" NA v8 Ferrari engine over the new turbo charged v8. Something about the analogue experiences just feel more lively and direct.

I agree looks wise the 991 looks nice...er for a Porsche. But it's just a 911 evolution and not really drop dead gorgeous in the way an Aston or Italian exotic looks.

[underscore]

:fullofwin:

I’ll admit, That was kind of funny, but really, what does it matter anyway?
You might be able to afford a 2020 Uras in year 2035, if you can find a high mileage one, with Icbc claims, driven a clai who smoked, plus your condo has to keep going up in value.
:D

Needless to say, I don’t think that neither the Italians nor the Germans care what you and I think.

If it really is ~$200k USD then the current increase in value on my house would let me get one cash, but then I'd have to live in it. It'd be cramped at first, but guaranteed my wife would leave me which would free up some room.

Being serious, considering that a Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk (which to me is an equally stupid vehicle, but whatever) is $115k CAD then this seems fairly reasonable. Sure the Lambo is roughly double the price, but how often is a Lambo only double the cost of a Chrysler product?

I know they don't give a rats ass what we think, as their target market is rich idiots who just want to look good at 10km/h stuck in traffic downtown. They could de-tune the entire Lambo lineup from the last 15 years to the level of a Prius and 90% of their buyers wouldn't notice the difference. I may sound like Clarkson a bit here, but I stopped being interested in Lambo's when they stopped making bedroom wall posters and started making boring shit to sell to as many twats as possible, and this is just the icing on the cake.

[Traum]

The calipers look humongous, 8 pot?:fullofwin:
front 17.3" rotors & 10 pot calipers :bowjerk:

[Harvey Specter]

It's all fun and games until a rock chips your 17.3" rotor and you have refinance your house to buy a replacement rotor.

[GS8]

I'm guessing 'Urus' was the name of a bull?

They should've just called it the Ferdinand, to honour the type of people who will buy it.

https://giant.gfycat.com/MerryQuickKoodoo.gif

[Badhobz]

I'm guessing 'Urus' was the name of a bull?

They should've just called it the Ferdinand, to honour the type of people who will buy it.

https://giant.gfycat.com/MerryQuickKoodoo.gif

i thought urus was the name of a constellation or a family name for bears. :okay:

[originalhypa]

^
Close, but you're thinking Ursa, which is latin for bear.
I'm an edumacated redneck, ya hear!
http://americannewsx.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/2016-aa-aa-aa-Donald-Trump-Redneck.jpg



If it really is ~$200k USD then the current increase in value on my house would let me get one cash, but then I'd have to live in it. It'd be cramped at first, but guaranteed my wife would leave me which would free up some room.

Being serious, considering that a Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk (which to me is an equally stupid vehicle, but whatever) is $115k CAD then this seems fairly reasonable. Sure the Lambo is roughly double the price, but how often is a Lambo only double the cost of a Chrysler product?

I know they don't give a rats ass what we think, as their target market is rich idiots who just want to look good at 10km/h stuck in traffic downtown. They could de-tune the entire Lambo lineup from the last 15 years to the level of a Prius and 90% of their buyers wouldn't notice the difference. I may sound like Clarkson a bit here, but I stopped being interested in Lambo's when they stopped making bedroom wall posters and started making boring shit to sell to as many twats as possible, and this is just the icing on the cake.

:fuckyea:

Well said man!
I miss my old Lambo posters.

[underscore]

Does it get much better?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/01/bd/57/01bd578de533b19f856a39c65e0ab614.jpg

[Harvey Specter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns3_iW2o-jw

[Mancini]

Urus. A rocket from Uranus.

[twitchyzero]

did they acquire MM-Design of Richmond, BC?

[Manic!]

did they acquire MM-Design of Richmond, BC?

No, I think they teamed up with Honda design.