[Berzerker]

People got a notification on their phones for an Missile threat and to take cover. Message said "this is not a drill"

Lol. North Korea be hacking some shit.

https://cdn.dopl3r.com/memes_files/ballistic-missile-threat-inbound-to-hawaii-seek-immediate-shelter-this-is-not-a-drill-att-ui-808-saturday-january-13-emergency-alerts-now-emergency-alert-ballistic-missile-threat-inbound-to-hawaii-seek-immediate-shelter-this-x4dFU.jpg

Berz out.

[604dragon]

A friend of mine in hawaii for vacation right now just woke up to the same message. I'm more willing to bet this was a hoax/prank done by a hacker in the U.S or maybe someone who was working for Apple

[punkwax]

Hawaii’s area code is 808.. coincidence?

[twitchyzero]

do they even have bomb shelters?
you can be sure FEMA would sound the sirens if it was a real warning

[hud 91gt]

I just left Maui 12 hours ago. Bejesus.

[Berzerker]

A friend of mine in hawaii for vacation right now just woke up to the same message. I'm more willing to bet this was a hoax/prank done by a hacker in the U.S or maybe someone who was working for Apple

Last day on the job maybe lol

Berz out.

[Manic!]

do they even have bomb shelters?
you can be sure FEMA would sound the sirens if it was a real warning

No bomb shelters and what sirens?

[320icar]

Putting aside whether that was a hack or not, I’m very impressed and never thought of the ability for these smart phones to become early warning devices. In the event of a real threat that could help save a lot of lives

[Berzerker]

No bomb shelters and what sirens?

They have sirens that sound in case of incoming attacks. There used to be one in North Van right beside the Coach House from the old War days. Might still be there haven't been there in quite some time.

Berz out.

[twitchyzero]

^ I figured there was one kicking around in Vancouver...have they ever used it in drills? I mean you probably have to ask your grandma that

No bomb shelters and what sirens?

For the first time since the end of the Cold War, Hawaii will test nuclear sirens - CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/28/us/hawaii-nuclear-warning-trnd/index.html)

[Berzerker]

I remember them testing it when I was younger. In the 80's. I just checked google street view and it's gone now. It was loud as FUUUUUUUCK though. Was a throwback to WW2 and the cold war where they were actually scared of incoming air attacks. This is why there are the gun mounts in Stanley Park you can still visit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j_PhNKbJaE

Berz out.

[Hondaracer]

either i was dreaming or there was an air raid type siren last week coming from either north shore ship yards or the port in East van. I sleep with ear plugs sometimes and pulled them out around 3am to hear the siren, it was faint but was still like wtf...

[Manic!]

Governor of Hawaii claims during a shift change someone pushed the wrong button. You would think they would have pust more than just a button to sent out an alert.

[ToneCapone]

I remember them testing it when I was younger. In the 80's. I just checked google street view and it's gone now. It was loud as FUUUUUUUCK though. Was a throwback to WW2 and the cold war where they were actually scared of incoming air attacks. This is why there are the gun mounts in Stanley Park you can still visit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j_PhNKbJaE

Berz out.

people are going to love my new ring tone WutFace

[ilovebacon]

That vancouver siren.. I would've woken up shitting my pants to that horrific sound

[bcuzracecarz]

Yea I'm in Kona on the big island for my honeymoon, the loudest most obnoxious alarm came on my phone, and the text msg, it was pretty frightening, then everyone started coming out of their rooms and figuring out what to do. Hawaii has no bomb shelters so fireman and cops were just saying go inside and shut the doors and windows. Took 15 minutes before we started to figure out via twitter that it was a false alarm. 38 minutes before we received another msg saying it was a false alarm. Pretty terrifying when everyone is panicking around you, and there is nothing you can do #murica

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4724/25801365618_394dbb6e75_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FiYK6m)

[twitchyzero]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOlXyQ6qTxI

[Hondaracer]

Shutting your doors and staying inside your hotel room gonna save you from dat blast lol

[Berzerker]

Shutting your doors and staying inside your hotel room gonna save you from dat blast lol

Makes finding and accounting for the dead easier lol

Berz out.

[bcuzracecarz]

Shutting your doors and staying inside your hotel room gonna save you from dat blast lol

Lol this reminded me of the guy a couple doors down from LA, (when we were figuring out if it went to all numbers on the island or only randoms), "if it does hit it will be in Honolulu, won't hit here" to which I stated, "Really don't think that's going to save us in this situation"..... My wife then hit me

[tiger_handheld]

Have you guys seen the movie War Games?

When the WOPR system goes nuts. Almost seems like it.
Except we didn't go DEFCON 1.

Nuts to think about.

[SkinnyPupp]

Shutting your doors and staying inside your hotel room gonna save you from dat blast lol
Not much you can do about the blast - if you're in range you're dead anyway. It's the radiation you want to shelter yourself from if you survive the blast.

[cdizzle_996]

Yea I'm in Kona on the big island for my honeymoon, the loudest most obnoxious alarm came on my phone, and the text msg, it was pretty frightening, then everyone started coming out of their rooms and figuring out what to do. Hawaii has no bomb shelters so fireman and cops were just saying go inside and shut the doors and windows. Took 15 minutes before we started to figure out via twitter that it was a false alarm. 38 minutes before we received another msg saying it was a false alarm. Pretty terrifying when everyone is panicking around you, and there is nothing you can do #murica

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4724/25801365618_394dbb6e75_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FiYK6m)

Hodge sent me that, fucked up.

[Gumby]

Co-worker was in Hawaii, hid in hotel basement for 30 mins thinking they were gonna die...

[ilovebacon]

why would anyone want to nuke hawaii though. such a small island

[westopher]

Is that a serious question?

There’s lots of people.
It’s a close target (to North Korea)
There are military bases there.

You know about pearl harbour right?

[SkinnyPupp]

why would anyone want to nuke hawaii though. such a small island
Oh my fucking god

[twitchyzero]

not sure if skipped all the socials class in school or just never left Vancouver

[highfive]

North Korea would be stupid to fire anything at anything United States. There is nothing to gain and USA will retaliate with nukes of their own probably

[Hondaracer]

You’d gain infamy in the history of this world. His people are starving and his country is a laughing stock, might as well make a name for yourself

[Gumby]

This incident is pretty scary not just for Hawaii, but for the world as well. Imagine the US, with a trigger happy leader, decided to retaliate before they realized it was a false alarm?

[SkinnyPupp]

Why do people keep saying Trump is "trigger happy"? What evidence has he shown to earn that reputation? They've been saying it since the day he was sworn in.

[Manic!]

North Korea would be stupid to fire anything at anything United States. There is nothing to gain and USA will retaliate with nukes of their own probably

If you can't will you might as well make sure the other side pays a price.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Why do people keep saying Trump is "trigger happy"? What evidence has he shown to earn that reputation? They've been saying it since the day he was sworn in.
I dislike Trump as much as anyone else on here, including Manic and such, but I can't give a shit about this thread and the Trump thread unless there is something substantial against him. The left has been calling for his head since before he was elected and nothing has come of it. It is almost like a tired joke or old meme. After the Hawaiian attack story, I decided to flip on CNN and see what was up. They literally talked about it for 10 seconds before going into the tired topic of Trump and the word shithole, which dominated the rest of the broadcast. Often times this thread is updated and I am just like: "so?!" or forced to play devil's advocate because Trump does something that is, at a glance, shitty, but makes sense when looking facts from both sides. I'm tired of reactionary bullshit. Tired of Trump. Tired of everyone wondering/hoping his latest tweet will get him impeached.

[welfare]

If it was Hillary, she probably would have staged her own Pearl harbor by now.

[SkinnyPupp]

I dislike Trump as much as anyone else on here, including Manic and such, but I can't give a shit about this thread and the Trump thread unless there is something substantial against him. The left has been calling for his head since before he was elected and nothing has come of it. It is almost like a tired joke or old meme. After the Hawaiian attack story, I decided to flip on CNN and see what was up. They literally talked about it for 10 seconds before going into the tired topic of Trump and the word shithole, which dominated the rest of the broadcast. Often times this thread is updated and I am just like: "so?!" or forced to play devil's advocate because Trump does something that is, at a glance, shitty, but makes sense when looking facts from both sides. I'm tired of reactionary bullshit. Tired of Trump. Tired of everyone wondering/hoping his latest tweet will get him impeached.
My thoughts 100%. I used to go in and argue with the dumb stuff that was just anti Trump for the sake of being anti Trump. It made me look pro Trump though LUL

As much as I disagree with most Trump supporters and Republicans in general, the anti Trump people are just... well they come across as idiots a lot of the time. Making fun of him for being dumb and ugly and fat... Most of these people identify as "liberal" and accepting people for who they are...

Aside from the dumb twitter comments and "shithole" remarks, he's just another republican who does republican stuff. Just another politician. As bad as he is or isn't, depending on your views, he is still probably 100X better than Hilary who WOULD have us at war with Russia by this time probably LUL

[MarkyMark]

Why do people keep saying Trump is "trigger happy"? What evidence has he shown to earn that reputation? They've been saying it since the day he was sworn in.

Well sure he's not trigger happy in the sense that he's already pressed the button numerous times, but it would be nice if he didn't mention it on a fucking whim every now and then like it's no big deal. We get it, you have a button that will start the destruction of everything we know and love, maybe talk about it with a little more respect.

[welfare]

I just don't get how people can sit there and say he's an idiot. I mean, if you don't agree with his policies, or rhetoric, I can appreciate that just fine so long as your reasoning is completely understood.
But to say that he's stupid? Just look at where you are, and where he is.
A guy with a net worth of 5-10b$, has owned hundreds of successful businesses, absolutely no political qualifications, yet beat everyone running, including the "most qualified" candidate, to become the POTUS, and spent half as much money, btw.
And he's an idiot?

[welfare]

Well sure he's not trigger happy in the sense that he's already pressed the button numerous times, but it would be nice if he didn't mention it on a fucking whim every now and then like it's no big deal. We get it, you have a button that will start the destruction of everything we know and love, maybe talk about it with a little more respect.

And maybe we should judge a method by it's results.

[MarkyMark]

I just don't get how people can sit there and say he's an idiot. I mean, if you don't agree with his policies, or rhetoric, I can appreciate that just fine so long as your reasoning is completely understood.
But to say that he's stupid? Just look at where you are, and where he is.
A guy with a net worth of 5-10b$, has owned hundreds of successful businesses, absolutely no political qualifications, yet beat everyone running, including the "most qualified" candidate, to become the POTUS, and spent half as much money, btw.
And he's an idiot?

He didn't start with nothing, he turned a lot of wealth into more wealth. As for becoming POTUS, that's more of the country being full of idiots more so than him being one.

[Badhobz]

I just don't get how people can sit there and say he's an idiot. I mean, if you don't agree with his policies, or rhetoric, I can appreciate that just fine so long as your reasoning is completely understood.
But to say that he's stupid? Just look at where you are, and where he is.
A guy with a net worth of 5-10b$, has owned hundreds of successful businesses, absolutely no political qualifications, yet beat everyone running, including the "most qualified" candidate, to become the POTUS, and spent half as much money, btw.
And he's an idiot?

None of these are signs of intelligence. He's just a lucky idiot who's somehow able to con other idiots into thinking he's more than just a hairpiece.

P.s. it helps to be white. If he was coloured nobody would have given him the time of day.

[DragonChi]

And maybe we should judge a method by it's results.

I agree, but I also think that the phrase, "The ends does not justify the means", has some weight. Though there's nothing that he's done thats egregious yet, well, opening up national parks and monuments to drilling and exploitation. But that's about it. No one is infallible, and he's making good on his campaign promises, so I can't really blame him for that.

Instigating a nuclear war, that would be pretty unforgivable though. Using some tact to defuse a pretty tense situation would be wise.

[SkinnyPupp]

See what I mean?

Anyway sorry for turning this into a Trump thread.. But really I guess there's not much more to say about this incident. Must have been freaky to have that happen

[welfare]

None of these are signs of intelligence. He's just a lucky idiot who's somehow able to con other idiots into thinking he's more than just a hairpiece.

P.s. it helps to be white. If he was coloured nobody would have given him the time of day.

I'm not saying wealth=intelligence.
But the ability to achieve the goals you set out to do does require intelligence (among other abilities. Especially goals of that magnitude.

Edit: and for the record, I never even said he was intelligent (the measure of intelligence itself is debatable). Just that he clearly is not an idiot

[welfare]

He didn't start with nothing, he turned a lot of wealth into more wealth. As for becoming POTUS, that's more of the country being full of idiots more so than him being one.

If who they elected is the result of the country being full of idiots, than what does that make us?

[GS8]

He didn't start with nothing, he turned a lot of wealth into more wealth. As for becoming POTUS, that's more of the country being full of idiots more so than him being one.

Yes, we shouldn't forget that the two candidates who got the most push from the shit brained media were the two who got the nomination from their respective parties. Trump just got super lucky that everything worked out for him because he went up against a trainwreck of a deplorable opponent.

It could have very well been another scenario like Sanders v. Cruze but mass amounts of idiots would rather assume MSM is fair and balanced when it isn't.

The metaphorical question on election day was 'would you rather be in a room with a barking dog or a biting spider?'

EDIT: You know there's people out there thinking Trump somehow caused this because of his weak mental state (according to some tabloid best seller) LUL

[welfare]

I agree, but I also think that the phrase, "The ends does not justify the means", has some weight. Though there's nothing that he's done thats egregious yet, well, opening up national parks and monuments to drilling and exploitation. But that's about it. No one is infallible, and he's making good on his campaign promises, so I can't really blame him for that.

Instigating a nuclear war, that would be pretty unforgivable though. Using some tact to defuse a pretty tense situation would be wise.

Given the past administration's attempts to deal with this, their results, and the nature of who he's dealing with, what really were his alternatives?

[DragonChi]

Given the past administration's attempts to deal with this, their results, and the nature of who he's dealing with, what really were his alternatives?

Not sure what the last attempts were, but ignoring Kim Jong Un would be a start. He's giving him free publicity.

Other than WWII, I can't think of any US president that has been so eager to use nuclear weapons. JFK Cuban missile crisis comes to mind.

This Hawaii warning couldn't have come at a better time, I think.

[welfare]

Not sure what the last attempts were, but ignoring Kim Jong Un would be a start. He's giving him free publicity.

It would be wise to look into how Bill Clinton, Bush, and Obama have all attempted to deal with this before making any assumptions

[DragonChi]

It would be wise to look into how Bill Clinton, Bush, and Obama have all attempted to deal with this before making any assumptions

All I could find was the naval training exercises that South Korea and US were doing in the Korean Peninsula. That really increased tensions in North Korea apparently.

Just read through the whole wiki page. So it seems that Jimmy Carter, Clinton, were in favour of giving concessions to North Korea for stopping nuclear weapons development. W. Bush didn't agree, and waived those concessions. Obama gave them sanctions. Am I missing something here?

[GabAlmighty]

Might as well merge this in with the Trump thread.

[welfare]

All I could find was the naval training exercises that South Korea and US were doing in the Korean Peninsula. That really increased tensions in North Korea apparently.

Just read through the whole wiki page. So it seems that Jimmy Carter, Clinton, were in favour of giving concessions to North Korea for stopping nuclear weapons development. W. Bush didn't agree, and waived those concessions. Obama gave them sanctions. Am I missing something here?

Basically.
-North Korea provokes with threats.
-Clinton tries diplomacy. Conceding 4b$ to aid in development of light water nuclear reactor.
-Congress gets cold feet and North Korea takes it's aid (thanks suckers) goes home and reopens it's nuclear facility.

-North Korea provokes with threats.
-Bush says no dialog without complete disarmament.
-North Korea continues threats, launches missiles, continues it's nuclear program

-North Korea continues provocation
-Obama attempts tougher sanctions. Tries getting China on board.
-North Korea continues threats while building up nuclear capability.

That's pretty much the thumbnail sketch from my understanding.
All three admins have tried diplomacy. Sanctions. Everything besides barking back. So I really don't see what the alternative is there.

My personal opinion, NK ain't stupid enough to mess with US when push comes to shove. They're crazy. But not suicidal. And I think Trump knows that.
But hey, that's just my opinion
-

[welfare]

See what I mean?

Anyway sorry for turning this into a Trump thread.. But really I guess there's not much more to say about this incident. Must have been freaky to have that happen

I think you're right. And I think I'm done contributing to Trump mania.
At the end of the day, I'm going to have my opinion, you're going to have yours, and everyone else will have theirs. It's kinda just a big waste of time at this point.

[DragonChi]

Basically.
-North Korea provokes with threats.
-Clinton tries diplomacy. Conceding 4b$ to aid in development of light water nuclear reactor.
-Congress gets cold feet and North Korea takes it's aid (thanks suckers) goes home and reopens it's nuclear facility.

-North Korea provokes with threats.
-Bush says no dialog without complete disarmament.
-North Korea continues threats, launches missiles, continues it's nuclear program

-North Korea continues provocation
-Obama attempts tougher sanctions. Tries getting China on board.
-North Korea continues threats while building up nuclear capability.

That's pretty much the thumbnail sketch from my understanding.
All three admins have tried diplomacy. Sanctions. Everything besides barking back. So I really don't see what the alternative is there.

My personal opinion, NK ain't stupid enough to mess with US when push comes to shove. They're crazy. But not suicidal. And I think Trump knows that.
But hey, that's just my opinion
-

Weapons of mass destruction? Failed diplomacy? Fanatical dictator?

Sounds like a recipe for USA to deliver some freedom, a la Iraqi style. Too bad NK didn't have any oil, or they'd be hooped for sure.

[blkgsr]

Too bad NK didn't have any oil, or they'd be hooped for sure.

exactly...

[SkinnyPupp]

lol if they had oil they would be China

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

wish this error happened on a day where the financial markets were open lol.

[DragonChi]

lol if they had oil they would be China

:lawl:

[welfare]

Looks like yet another "accidental" missile alert. This time in Japan
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/16/world/asia/japan-hawaii-alert.html

[Hondaracer]

“Accidental” = making sure it works before it really happens

[teggy604]

“Accidental” = making sure it works before it really happens


I agree. Its no coincidence that Japan did the same thing few days later.
They should do it in Vancouver as well. See if our system works. I do see from time to time the tv goes black with "this is a test blah blah blah."

[Hakkaboy]

I think the "This is not a drill" part is the funniest yet scariest part of the message lol