[pastarocket]

Ferrari unveiled the successor to the 458 Speciale: Ferrari 488 Pista.

Pista means race track in Italian. This competitor to the Porsche 911 GT2 RS will be at the upcoming Geneva auto show.

What a sick car! FeelsGoodMan

Specs: Type
V8 – 90° twin turbo

Overall displacement
3902 cm3

Maximum power output *
530 kW (720 hp) at 8000 rpm
Maximum torque *

770 Nm at 3000 rpm in 7th gear

Weight and Dimensions
Length

4605 mm

Width
1975 mm
Height

1206 mm

Dry Weight**

1280 kg

Performance

0-100 km/h
2.85 s

0 -200 km/h
7.6 s
Max. Speed
> 340 km/

[ssjGoku69]

I'm going to see it as 488 Pasta EleGiggle

[Badhobz]

too much performance...... ill stick with a normal 458/488 plzthxs.

Although this is a great investment car. The 458 specialneeds went up quite a bit in value.

[bcuzracecarz]

I don't see this one going up in value like the 458 speciale, N/A v8 and all that performance goodness and noise is a last of a generation kinda car. Won't see that again unfortunately from Ferrari I don't think

This new one does look the part tho, love the design

[LP700-4]

Wonder if it'll hold with the Performante and 720s or will there be a whole bunch of pista off ferrari owners.

[twitchyzero]

the 458 design still looks fresh after almost 10 years

[bigzz786786]

In my language Pista means pistachio lol
Always loved the 458, the 458 convertible is still my favorite. Wish i could get that.

[Harvey Specter]

Wonder if it'll hold with the Performante and 720s or will there be a whole bunch of pista off ferrari owners.

The Performante has edged out the 720s in a few track tests so my guess is the LT version of the 720s will be the true track monster. Atm I would love to see the Performante, Pista and GT2RS duke it out.

[Hehe]

Any leak on CDN pricing? UK pricing seems to be 32k GBP on top of the 488. So... hopefully it's 60k here? :fuckthatshit:

Might finally be looking to get a Ferrari between my BTC found and good gain on my TSMC investment. Fulfilling a childhood dream of one day owning a Ferrari. Wife would probably kill me, but hey... what's good to keep on earning money if none of my dream (material-wise) can be fulfilled?

Also, any dealer around with connection to get Ferraris without attitude/hige markup? Ferrari Vancouver is a fucking gong show.... considering this is a special edition, I'd likely get lol'd by asking at FV. Most probably gonna get it through my connections down in SoCal and store it there.

[underscore]

The front end that's mostly air looks a bit odd, but the rest of it seems like a tweaked 458 (which is not a bad thing at all).

[Mancini]

A car that pretty should come with a car cover. The Pista Sheet.

[GS8]

In my language Pista means pistachio lol

The car that makes you nut?

:badpokerface:

[Harvey Specter]

Any leak on CDN pricing? UK pricing seems to be 32k GBP on top of the 488. So... hopefully it's 60k here? :fuckthatshit:

Might finally be looking to get a Ferrari between my BTC found and good gain on my TSMC investment. Fulfilling a childhood dream of one day owning a Ferrari. Wife would probably kill me, but hey... what's good to keep on earning money if none of my dream (material-wise) can be fulfilled?

Also, any dealer around with connection to get Ferraris without attitude/hige markup? Ferrari Vancouver is a fucking gong show.... considering this is a special edition, I'd likely get lol'd by asking at FV. Most probably gonna get it through my connections down in SoCal and store it there.

Lol, dude you got no chance in hell getting a factory ordered Pista from a dealer. You have to own a few Ferrari's to even get a shot for a special edition Ferrari or the dealer will get you to buy a GTC4Lusso or a used Ferrari they can't sell like and put you on the list. The "list" is basically telling you that you might get a chance for a special edition Ferrari in 2-4 years. My bro-in-law is on the list, he's owned a couple Ferraris and he was told he won't get a build slot for the Pista.

Same process with Porsche and GT cars and even Lamborghini is moving towards the same concept.

[Badhobz]

Any leak on CDN pricing? UK pricing seems to be 32k GBP on top of the 488. So... hopefully it's 60k here? :fuckthatshit:

Might finally be looking to get a Ferrari between my BTC found and good gain on my TSMC investment. Fulfilling a childhood dream of one day owning a Ferrari. Wife would probably kill me, but hey... what's good to keep on earning money if none of my dream (material-wise) can be fulfilled?

Also, any dealer around with connection to get Ferraris without attitude/hige markup? Ferrari Vancouver is a fucking gong show.... considering this is a special edition, I'd likely get lol'd by asking at FV. Most probably gonna get it through my connections down in SoCal and store it there.

agree with harvey above. You aint gonna get anything other than a 488/California T new. Maybe the F12 but i heard thats hard to get...

Even then your slot will be probably 1-2 years away if you do order it.

You can however just buy whatever they have lying around on the showroom and their used inventory at FMOV is pretty good. I bought my Maserati through special order and i waited almost a year for it. They usually dont carry THAT many new stock and even the stock they do carry are moved quite quickly.

If you want a ferrari through the proper channels, you gotta go to FMOV. Afterwards, if you wanna keep the ferrari's value you'll end up back at FMOV paying their 1500+ oil changes (every year) and the 4500+ oil changes (every 4 years).

Oh and you better not drive it much...
Oh and you better not scratch it at all....
Oh and you better not have any sort of accidents or claims on it....
Oh and you better not use any aftermarket parts....

:okay::okay:

best bet for ferrari ownership... buy a used 458 thats out of warranty and then service it yourself. I think they are hovering around 180k now... so obtainable. Afterwards pray you'll never have to sell it and then just drive the shit out of it and enjoy. If you are however inclined to sell it later on, people will ANAL YOU RAWDOG over the fact that you're the second owner, you put miles on it, and you didnt service it at the dealership. Most likely 99% of the buyers back out of the deal.

Or do what i did.. buy a Maserati (not a stinking ghibli/levente those are garbage). Same engine, more cushy, better suited for the city.

https://youtu.be/t9CTROQYwZE

[Hehe]

Yeah... that's what I figured.

But that's the exact thing I'm trying to avoid. I mean... I'm not loaded to afford multiple Ferraris, just a car enthusiast growing up with Ferrari posters on the wall... I just happen to finally have the mean to put such a purchase within my reach. And it would basically clear out my piggy bank for toys... but I figured if I don't do it now... it's unlikely I'd ever do it and actually enjoy it. There's no point to get a Ferrari and drive it at 50km/h.

I gave my sales a call (whom my F&F got multiple luxury/sport cars from) and ask about the possibility given my situation... he said since I referred him so much business, he's going to try and work something out...

One can dream... :D

[Harvey Specter]

I'm getting my Performante in July and I had to sign a no flipping agreement. Even as a previous owner I had a tough time getting a build slot because I believe only 10 HP's were allocated and sold locally and that number is going down for MY19. They have around 30 people on the list so gives you an idea how tough it is to get these cars. Even the Urus has a 2 year wait list.

[Badhobz]

There's no point to get a Ferrari and drive it at 50km/h.

You sound exactly like me.
My financial situation would permit only 1 exotic.
That being said, you wont go to track days with yours, just like none of my buddies who are in the same boat as me would track theirs. It just ain't worth it. Yes they are designed to go to the track, but which track would you go? mission? that piece of shit? Area 27 is a great track, but by the time you get there and do a few laps, your Ferrari would have taken a massive depreciation hit (mileage + any potential breakdowns or screw ups would lead you with a huge hole in your wallet). Now if you could afford 4-5 Ferrari's you wouldn't give a shit, but since we are in the same boat, you likely will care about this.

Here's what will happen once you get it. You'll admire it everyday you open your garage. You wont do much with it other than take it out once or twice a week for special occasions with the wife (dinners, festivals, a drive by yourself out to some buttfuck nowhere). Otherwise its just too much hassle, and too much risk. These are point A to point A cars since we dont have "fuck you money" to replace it with 4 more if we smash it. You'll look awesome driving down Robson and people will be jelly, but if that's all you wanted its not worth plopping down 200k.

I dont wanna sound preachy, but if i had a choice of doing it again, i dont think i would buy another one. Id probably buy a few condos and then rent them out. The novelty wears off quickly.

[Harvey Specter]

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[Badhobz]

If he's only buying one Ferrari Rosso Corsa is the only logical choice.

[twitchyzero]

I thought bottom of the barrel F-cars used to go for like 40-50k usd....seems like even the 308 is still fetching at least 80k

[underscore]

That being said, you wont go to track days with yours, just like none of my buddies who are in the same boat as me would track theirs. It just ain't worth it. Yes they are designed to go to the track, but which track would you go? mission? that piece of shit? Area 27 is a great track, but by the time you get there and do a few laps, your Ferrari would have taken a massive depreciation hit (mileage + any potential breakdowns or screw ups would lead you with a huge hole in your wallet).

You're better off flying to Vegas or somewhere and doing one of those exotic car lapping days at a track. You get all the fun but without the worry of being hard on a car you own or dealing with all the whiny "we'll select who gets one" bullshit from companies like Ferrari.

[Hehe]

Really don't care much about resale, I'd probably drive it to the ground.

But I'm digging the design over the regular 488. And since I'm going to splurge myself... might as well go all the way.

Oh well, if I can get it at MSRP, I'm on. Otherwise, I'd just save my money and invest in something else. Not really feeling anything else (well... can't afford anything else :fuckthatshit: )

[SkinnyPupp]

You're better off flying to Vegas or somewhere and doing one of those exotic car lapping days at a track. You get all the fun but without the worry of being hard on a car you own or dealing with all the whiny "we'll select who gets one" bullshit from companies like Ferrari.
But then people won't be jealous of you on Robson

[GS8]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcGX-myVFHo

Best reason to own supercar

Save on parking to pay for car note

:ilied:

[Badhobz]

I'm surprised that little dip coming down the ramp didn't scrape his nose. Even though he got away with out paying, any speed bumps in the lot will yield damage costing 100x the price.

[Z3guy]

agree with harvey above. You aint gonna get anything other than a 488/California T new. Maybe the F12 but i heard thats hard to get...

Even then your slot will be probably 1-2 years away if you do order it.

You can however just buy whatever they have lying around on the showroom and their used inventory at FMOV is pretty good. I bought my Maserati through special order and i waited almost a year for it. They usually dont carry THAT many new stock and even the stock they do carry are moved quite quickly.

If you want a ferrari through the proper channels, you gotta go to FMOV. Afterwards, if you wanna keep the ferrari's value you'll end up back at FMOV paying their 1500+ oil changes (every year) and the 4500+ oil changes (every 4 years).

Oh and you better not drive it much...
Oh and you better not scratch it at all....
Oh and you better not have any sort of accidents or claims on it....
Oh and you better not use any aftermarket parts....

:okay::okay:

best bet for ferrari ownership... buy a used 458 thats out of warranty and then service it yourself. I think they are hovering around 180k now... so obtainable. Afterwards pray you'll never have to sell it and then just drive the shit out of it and enjoy. If you are however inclined to sell it later on, people will ANAL YOU RAWDOG over the fact that you're the second owner, you put miles on it, and you didnt service it at the dealership. Most likely 99% of the buyers back out of the deal.

Or do what i did.. buy a Maserati (not a stinking ghibli/levente those are garbage). Same engine, more cushy, better suited for the city.

https://youtu.be/t9CTROQYwZE

unfortunately most 458s are still $220K+(high mileage) and above....$180K will get you a nice 430.......

[Mr.Money]

so douchey if you're a new buyer you can't order one up,Than again some assholes would treat it as an investment and order to Flip it for something so desirable ....I'm quite sure for Hyper cars in the six figures you can't sell it for more....something crazy like in contract for McLaren P1 if you get rid of it and sell..

[Harvey Specter]

so douchey if you're a new buyer you can't order one up,Than again some assholes would treat it as an investment and order to Flip it for something so desirable ....I'm quite sure for Hyper cars in the six figures you can't sell it for more....something crazy like in contract for McLaren P1 if you get rid of it and sell..


With Porsche if you purchased a brand new 918 you basically got access to all the limited run models so just imagine the amount of money these owners have made. The 911R was basically built for 918 owners and they turned around and made crazy amount of money flipping them.

It's all politics and it doesn't matter if you walk in and drop $500k on a car you're still treated like crap. You basically have to buy a few cars, build a relation with the dealer and at some point you'll get access to limited cars. Ferrari actually hand picks customers for their limited cars and there's been owners who've purchased few cars and still get passed. It's ridiculous.

[Hehe]

It's silly that people are buying cars like investments... BibleThump

While on topic of car flipping... this is a big one... an acquaintance of my dad who's a car collector is trying to unload a purchase that he has yet to receive in order to fund something else.. (a plane for those interested to know)

McLaren Senna... at a slight premium over MSRP... Yay or nay as an investment?

The problem is that it'd take some time for delivery... and we'd have to arrange the import to US/CA... but I told my dad that it's interesting since he has the cash to invest and his friend is looking for a personal deal to not upset the dealership.

[twitchyzero]

your dad's acquaintance should probably PM Hyde's uncles for advice

[Hehe]

NVM... we just figured there's no way to skip the tax or get it refunded even we are planning on permanently exporting it.

With luxury tax and all that shit in, it's 2M before it even reach CA/US. :D

At its original asking of 150k over its sticker price (1.12M), it looked alright for such a rare car.

[Badhobz]

NVM... we just figured there's no way to skip the tax or get it refunded even we are planning on permanently exporting it.

With luxury tax and all that shit in, it's 2M before it even reach CA/US. :D

At its original asking of 150k over its sticker price (1.12M), it looked alright for such a rare car.

i dont mean to sound flippant, but if you are looking into the 2 million dollar range then obviously you arent going to have any problems buying 1-4 ferrari's. But you stated before you only got enough to buy one... soooooo.... i dont get it. Plus if you can afford the 2 million dollar car, why the hell dont you have one or three already!?

[Hehe]

i dont mean to sound flippant, but if you are looking into the 2 million dollar range then obviously you arent going to have any problems buying 1-4 ferrari's. But you stated before you only got enough to buy one... soooooo.... i dont get it. Plus if you can afford the 2 million dollar car, why the hell dont you have one or three already!?

My dad=/=me.

Although I'm from an Asian background, my parents or even my family as a whole manage money very independently from each other.

We share resources such as connections and knowledge, but as far as money goes, it's each on their own. We have learned from very early in the age that we can forget about anything as far as inheritance goes. :okay:

My dad isn't too into cars... it's just I told him a while back that luxury cars could be an investment given the right model, so he brought the question on the other day to see my opinion as an investment.

He does have a luxury car (a Bentley), but that's it... my mom doesn't approve anything beyond that. :fuckthatshit:

After so many year of work and investment, I've finally reach a level where I could entertain the idea of owning one. It's very unlike my parents whom can afford it without too much effort. For me it's a huge expense that I probably shouldn't be doing for the wellbeing of my finances... but the way I figure is... I don't want to be like my dad... to have a fortune and yet living a very modest live. I just want to have some fun while I still can. I have enough to bring food and shelter to my family. So, why not spoil myself?

[Hehe]

Got an update on the 488 Pista.

Unfortunately, dealer has to submit potential buyer to Ferrari HQ in Italy for approval.

They won't sell to just any guy who happens to have money. :fuckthatshit:

Oh well...

[Manic!]

Got an update on the 488 Pista.

Unfortunately, dealer has to submit potential buyer to Ferrari HQ in Italy for approval.

They won't sell to just any guy who happens to have money. :fuckthatshit:

Oh well...

What a load of shit. You finally make enough money to own one but the dealer/manufacturer tells you that you can't have one because you have not jerked off enough people. They are taking all the fun out of buying/owning a high end car.

Also don't trust any of the manufactures numbers.

[Badhobz]

meh not really.. you can still pick up a regular 488 in about a year or so. Special editions are special....

[Manic!]

meh not really.. you can still pick up a regular 488 in about a year or so. Special editions are special....

But more and more special editions come out every year. I couldn't even get a fkn Dodge.

[Harvey Specter]

Got an update on the 488 Pista.

Unfortunately, dealer has to submit potential buyer to Ferrari HQ in Italy for approval.

They won't sell to just any guy who happens to have money. :fuckthatshit:

Oh well...

Which I already told you on the first page...

[pastarocket]

The 488 Pista, is a Ferrari to drive mainly on a race track, plain and simple.

If someone is fortunate to have the money, and the build slot from Ferrari HQ to buy this special car, why would he/she just drive just it on local roads and highways?

Driving a 488 Pista justin the city would be an absolute waste of the car's performance potential.

-might as well buy an extra set of tires for the Pista for use on a race track to have the best driving experience possible.

[Hehe]

^

I get the mentality but what would be the justification for that? If the requirement is for people who has a history to actually track their cars, I'd be like :okay:

But the fact that only people who has enough "history" (read, made enough money for Ferrari) is allowed to even be on the list.

I'm not saying that none of these people with history don't track their cars, but Ferrari has basically excluded anyone who didn't own a Ferrari before or don't present enough value to the brand (influencer or stars, for example).

This is what frustrates me.

A car enthusiast can save all his/her life to finally own a car of their dream and yet to find out that not all the options are available to them (not even a chance) even if they can come up with enough dough.

I'm not going to kiss anybody's ass to get the car. But to be excluded and not even have a chance of ever be included is elitism in my opinion.

[freakshow]

Lots of people have lots of money. They need to further filter the potential buyers by some criteria, and this is how they choose to do it. It actually looks like its working well, considering that your reason for purchasing is to keep the car as an investment. If you just wanted to enjoy a ferrari, you'd be happy with a 488.

[sporadicMotion]

That thing is nuts. I'd be happy with a 360 :p

[LP700-4]

I'm sure if you REALLY wanted one there will be a few you can buy when they start landing with some markup on it. How much markup? Who knows

[Harvey Specter]

Lots of people have lots of money.

Bingo.

You think you're balling, you think your $400k is a lot (which it is) but there's going to be another guy that has a $1m+ to drop on cars and you're going to get brushed aside by the dealer.

It's a different league when you're dealing with cars like this. There's no shortage of buyers so there's no incentives for manufactures to hand out special edition cars like candy. They also know there's buyers out there that will buy a couple cars just to get that one special edition model car so why not milk. Plus it's no secret a lot of these cars are good investments so you also attract a lot of people who aren't technically car people, they're just buying to make money.

[Badhobz]

Let's be honest.... People buy these things for the badge and the prestige of ownership. If you really want to track day, you'd be better off in a Miata or a more sensible track weapon. 90% of these exotics will never see a track.

[twitchyzero]

was it the LFA that Lexus leased out so no one can flip? or am I thinking laferrari
how did that work out? i'm assuming it had a buncha loopholes

[jbansal]

Apparently the Pista won't be a limited run car. It will be on sale in tandem with the 488

[Hehe]

Apparently the Pista won't be a limited run car. It will be on sale in tandem with the 488

It's like the 458 Speciale (not the Aperta... which is limited to 499 IIRC), only that this time around, any buyer for the Pista needs to be approved by the HQ. And without a history... you can forget about it.