[AstulzerRZD]

21-year-old UBC resident killed in Vancouver's 2nd fatal crash of 2018 - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/car2go-crash-fatal-ubc-vancouver-1.4561500)

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A 21-year-old man is dead after a rollover crash near the University of British Columbia on Sunday morning.

The crash happened on West 16th Avenue near Discovery Street around 1 a.m., near the entrance to Pacific Spirit Park.

First responders found the man trapped in a car-share vehicle that had flipped onto its roof.

Fire crews were able to free him, but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

The Vancouver Police Department had West 16th Avenue shut down for several hours overnight as investigators examined the crash. Police say speed may have been a factor.

VPD said this is Vancouver's second fatal crash of 2018.

Car2Go confirmed one of its Mercedes Benz vehicles was involved in the crash. The car-sharing service last year added four-door luxury sedans to its Vancouver fleet.

Spokesman Michael Silverman said the company is cooperating with police as it determines the cause of the crash.

"We are aware of and very saddened by the unfortunate incident that occurred overnight," he said in an email.

[DavidNguyen]

Sad to lose a life. Hope they weren't Impaired or texting

RIP

[Teriyaki]

That must've been a ridiculous amount of speed. RIP

[Hondaracer]

Those CLA’s are such peices of garbage.

If someone hopped in and started driving it like it’s some kind of sports car instead of a corolla would be pretty easy to lose control/crash

[twitchyzero]

Saturday night
freezing temps
car unrecognizable after a crash
motor found 20ft or 30m away from the car, according to the article on The Province
dui and speed me thinks...glad they do routine roadside checks on W. 16th

[belka]

Those things have winter tires?

[Mr.Money]

below temperatures with frost on the ground on all season tires or what?..

[Qmx323]

As we are mostly car guys here on this forum - we know the non-AMG CLA is not meant to be a drag racer.

Should car-shares *really* have anything in their fleet that even closely resembles a "performance" car or "fast" car?

Perhaps this guy doesn't fit into what I'm about to list out, but hear me out.

1) Probably have limited driving experience, thus are not able to judge how they should drive according to conditions.
2) Probably don't drive regularly. (aka "Sunday Drivers")
3) Probably not aware of how to handle this 200 HP FWD beast.

Those things have winter tires?

I highly doubt it, the AS tires on this one might even have been toast. There are two types of people in this world when they drive cars that don't belong to them. I don't think I need to go into detail on this one.

I'm really not sure why Car2Go decided on adding CLA's to their fleet, maybe because Car2Go is owned by Daimler AG, but I really REALLY hope they reassess what kind of cars they want to let their users drive. As unfortunate as this accident was, and by all means RIP to a young person, it could have involved someone else.

[jing]

I was at UBC a few weeks back sitting in my work van waiting in one of the parking lots behind the hospital where there are a number of car share vehicles when I looked up and saw a white CLA car 2 go ripping it through the lot, easily 60km+, well above what anyone with half a brain would consider as a safe speed for the environment. The fob dude driving the car nearly clipped a couple walking through the lot. Obviously the dude that almost got ran over was pissed off so he confronted the driver and I could hear from a distance the conversation and I wouldn't have been surprised if the driver got shit kicked by the angry dude. Maybe this is the same driver, who knows, but I would've guesstimated him to be about 21yo.

[clevernickname]

So literally a day or two before this crash, I saw a gla250 going literally at least 200km/h on ubc highway towards UBC. I thought it had an n sticker but can't remember. I wonder if its the same guy (white guy). I've driven at night the last few days, I don't recall losing traction anywhere with summer tires on a rwd car...

I think all the cla250s in car2go are 4matic too? Probably just a dumb driver going way too fast.

[freakshow]

maybe the picture makes it look worse than it is.. but i'm struggling to see how excessive speeding would not have been the main factor.
Even if you have 'limited driving experience', you may get into an accident, but you wouldn't be able to roll your car like that unless you were driving like an idiot

[Akinari]

For a novice driver who has never experienced driving anything but an econobox with no more than 150hp, driving a CLA250 at high speeds could potentially be catastrophic. It's not a slow vehicle by any means.

[xjc11]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucQKNkvzQ3g

[TypeRNammer]

3) Probably not aware of how to handle this 200 HP FWD beast.



I believe the CLA in the car2go fleet is 4matic.

And it's not something that the not so average joe should be ripping it around especially in the lower mainland.

258lb of torque, peaking just below 2000rpm. It only takes about 6 seconds to get up to 100kmh. It's just asking to be wrapped around the tree.

[Hondaracer]

Car2go having a shitty wanna-be luxury car in their fleet isn’t the issue here imo.

Someone willing to drive a car like this probably would do the same in the FourTwo.

[AstulzerRZD]

Those things have winter tires?

They're on A/S - ContiProContact if I remember correctly.

[Badhobz]

this kid sounds like an auto enthusiast. Its unfortunate he died. Kids these days dont like cars anymore, hence the popularity of these ride share companies. It's not like cars gotten more expensive if anything they are cheaper and safer than 20 years ago.

When i was his age i was still driving around a shitty ass nissan sentra that only had 120hp and negligible torque. I tried some crazy ass shit too with that family sedan but thankfully nothing happened.

[underscore]

Car2go having a shitty wanna-be luxury car in their fleet isn’t the issue here imo.

Someone willing to drive a car like this probably would do the same in the FourTwo.

They probably wouldn't be able to get up enough speed before crashing to launch the engine 20ft though.

[Hondaracer]

Same could be said about the Evo cars Prius.

These vehicle sharing services might as well use padded scooters if people can’t handle a 200hp econo box.

[Digitalis]

Modo has automatic FRS.

[Hehe]

this kid sounds like an auto enthusiast. Its unfortunate he died. Kids these days dont like cars anymore, hence the popularity of these ride share companies. It's not like cars gotten more expensive if anything they are cheaper and safer than 20 years ago.

When i was his age i was still driving around a shitty ass nissan sentra that only had 120hp and negligible torque. I tried some crazy ass shit too with that family sedan but thankfully nothing happened.

I second this sentiment.

When I was talking with my nephew (oldest actually... in his early 20s) and his friends about cars this past weekend when they came over for a visit/trip, it seems that for them, car is just something to get from point A to B and nothing to be excited about.

Yes, it's just a 3 person opinion, but the sentiment is shocking to me. Back when I was in their age, we could talk cars for hours and spend crazy amount of time on our rides.

For them now it's Uber or rental... none of the 3 have any plan to buy a car in the foreseeable future.

IMO Uber/car sharing has killed the car enthusiasm as we know it. Volvo is taking the lead on car subscription (more like a fully packaged lease really). I think the next wave for cars is the stand-less bike sharing as soon as someone figures out how to deal with the issue of parking... there would be cars here and there that one can just rent with their smartphones.

And for this, I curse Ferrari to have their days counted!! Yes, for not letting me buy a Pista. :fuckthatshit:

[Euro7r]

Anyone that drives these car sharing vehicles cannot drive. So many idiots either driving way too fast or disobey the traffic regulations.

[ZN6]

I've yet to see one car2go driver that didn't drive without undue care weaving through traffic and running late yellows/reds.

Those smart cars tip over like cows.

[Hondaracer]

As kinda mentioned here.. most people who use these services seemingly do not own a car, may have never owned a car, so the respect of ownership is somthing they dont know. I frequently use these services and find vehicles full of garbage, left over belonginings etc.

In terms of driving with undue care, the FourTwo's at least actually have a warning to "adjust your driving style" if you are aceelerating too quickly or braking too hard lol

[UnknownJinX]

First of all, RIP.

They're on A/S - ContiProContact if I remember correctly.

Last time I checked Modo website, they said they use winter tires in winter. Not sure about Car2Go, but it's bullshit they just put cheapie all-season tires on cars. Combine that and an inexperienced/infrequent driver and you have a recipe for disaster.

this kid sounds like an auto enthusiast. Its unfortunate he died. Kids these days dont like cars anymore, hence the popularity of these ride share companies. It's not like cars gotten more expensive if anything they are cheaper and safer than 20 years ago.

When i was his age i was still driving around a shitty ass nissan sentra that only had 120hp and negligible torque. I tried some crazy ass shit too with that family sedan but thankfully nothing happened.I second this sentiment.

When I was talking with my nephew (oldest actually... in his early 20s) and his friends about cars this past weekend when they came over for a visit/trip, it seems that for them, car is just something to get from point A to B and nothing to be excited about.

Yes, it's just a 3 person opinion, but the sentiment is shocking to me. Back when I was in their age, we could talk cars for hours and spend crazy amount of time on our rides.

For them now it's Uber or rental... none of the 3 have any plan to buy a car in the foreseeable future.

IMO Uber/car sharing has killed the car enthusiasm as we know it. Volvo is taking the lead on car subscription (more like a fully packaged lease really). I think the next wave for cars is the stand-less bike sharing as soon as someone figures out how to deal with the issue of parking... there would be cars here and there that one can just rent with their smartphones.

And for this, I curse Ferrari to have their days counted!! Yes, for not letting me buy a Pista. :fuckthatshit:

It depends on who you hang out with. I have friends who are into cars. Just this weekend, we saw a classic retrofitted Corvette on the road and we got super excited about it. We later worked on my roommate's old Volvo 940. Tried to replace all the burnt out bulbs and fix the trans.

That said, in no way I promote dangerous driving that would result in whatever happened in the article. If the condition allows, you bet I will rev to 9k, but if I am experiencing heavy rain, I am not gonna be stupid. Excessive speeding is also no-no. Tickets are not the best way to spend money.

BTW, bike-renting is already a thing in China.

Modo has automatic FRS.

FR-S is not that fast though. Not that torquey, either.

Most car rental services in North America have AT cars only. Too much risk with MT cars.

[DJ Milk]

I've yet to see one car2go driver that didn't drive without undue care weaving through traffic and running late yellows/reds.

Those smart cars tip over like cows.

Because the drivers of these cars are trying to save time because they probably paying by the minute and are trying to save $0.32-$0.45/minute since they don’t want to pay for a whole hour.

[AstulzerRZD]

Because the drivers of these cars are trying to save time because they probably paying by the minute and are trying to save $0.32-$0.45/minute since they don’t want to pay for a whole hour.

They're recently changed the pricing model so that you have to select "by the minute" or "hourly" packages prior to the start of your trip

[AstulzerRZD]

Modo has automatic FRS.

MEC vs. Modo: Car-share driver collides with MEC store | CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/modo-mec-bc-icons-crash-car-accident-1.3353013)

https://i.cbc.ca/1.3353030.1449438098!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_1180/modo-car-crash.jpg?imwidth=720

[UnknownJinX]

MEC vs. Modo: Car-share driver collides with MEC store | CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/modo-mec-bc-icons-crash-car-accident-1.3353013)

https://i.cbc.ca/1.3353030.1449438098!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_1180/modo-car-crash.jpg?imwidth=720

:facepalm:

This is why we can't have nice things...

[twitchyzero]

I get that 258lbs.ft is no geo metro but you guys make it sound like he was behind the wheel of a 90s dodge viper or something

[dinfung]

As kinda mentioned here.. most people who use these services seemingly do not own a car, may have never owned a car, so the respect of ownership is somthing they dont know. I frequently use these services and find vehicles full of garbage, left over belonginings etc.

In terms of driving with undue care, the FourTwo's at least actually have a warning to "adjust your driving style" if you are aceelerating too quickly or braking too hard lol

I use car2go once in a while if i know i will be drinking at dinner so I can cab back home.

But I do agreed most car2go driver have no idea what is going on. 50% of the Smart car don't even turn on the head light. Adding the CLA and such is a bad idea. The casual driver have to get used to different way the car layout and system inside the car while they are trying to beat the time and pay less.

[Gh0st]

Rest in peace to the driver and condolences to any persons affected by this incident.

With that said, I thought I was the only one who noticed the recklessness of almost every car sharing driver on the road.

From insane speeds, weaving through traffic, and the notorious no headlights or using high beams at night.. the list goes on... not sure why but it makes sense having read a few posts here that the drivers are trying to rush and save money.. which is why they speed and when they are in a rush they tend to forget to do basic things like turning headlights on or highbeams off, ect.

[UnknownJinX]

I get that 258lbs.ft is no geo metro but you guys make it sound like he was behind the wheel of a 90s dodge viper or something

True... My old Accord Coupe V6 had 268 BHP and 254 lb-ft torque(peaks at a lot higher RPM, though). As long as you are not being absolutely stupid with it, it's not unwieldy.

Then again, if speeding is the issue, there is not much you can do. If someone could drive a Smart @ 140kph on Lion Gate Bridge, then anything is possible.

[originalhypa]

I get that 258lbs.ft is no geo metro but you guys make it sound like he was behind the wheel of a 90s dodge viper or something

Let's face it, some people can't even handle that.
I'm shocked as to some of the folks I know that can't drive very well.

[Robert Stack]

People build up a lot of speed on that slope. I wonder if he under-steered whilst trying to head down that back road?

[freakshow]

Let's face it, some people can't even handle that.
I'm shocked as to some of the folks I know that can't drive very well.

Theres a difference between not driving well, and speeding so recklessly that you roll your car and die. The people I know that can't drive very well err on the side of driving slower, not faster..

[Mr.Money]

you don't have a sense of danger and are comfortable doing stupid shit like speeding.....in you're own head its all safe,takes one second to fuck something up easily,than mistakes happen...

i often wonder if paul walker had a ton of fun before shit when sideways for him.... :okay: Risky being a dare Devil..i've crashed a Atv side by sides and learned the hard way and now im no way in hell trusting a 3000lb piece of steel to keep me any safer at any speeds.

[teggy604]

:facepalm:

This is why we can't have nice things...

Modo should not be using any type of sporty car for car share. Ppl will just be abusing the shit out of it. Rwd and rain doesnt take much to lose control.

[GabAlmighty]

I get that 258lbs.ft is no geo metro but you guys make it sound like he was behind the wheel of a 90s dodge viper or something

Give these to all the shitty drivers, stay clear of the roads for a few hours... No more shitty drivers.

[mr00jimbo]

The thing about carshare cars is, you don't know if it's somebody who is a good, experienced driver who just wants to save money by using a carshare, or somebody who passed their road test ten years ago and now drives once every six months and barely has any road experience.

I've seen these cars driven in a deplorable way. Cutting in and out of traffic, left parked like assholes, etc. In the summer I was behind two girls in an Evo and I swear I smelled marijuana, and I pulled up alongside the driver and she smiled at me as she was puffing on a big joint. I regret not calling the police for impaired driving. And God help the person who had to get in that car after that slob.
On my commute in the morning on Grandview, I routinely see them left in the 'no stopping after 7 AM' zone holding up traffic. One week I saw a car2go left in a no stopping zone and then the next day somebody left an Evo in the SAME spot! I'd imagine it was the same guy who just didn't yet receive the bill for the ticket/tow.

I work in an office of 10 professionals and we share an office car. For less than 70k, it's full of scratches, dings, and people often leave it dangerously low on fuel. I can't imagine people who have to drive these carshare vehicles less than an hour at a time how they treat them and treat other road users.

[originalhypa]

I work in an office of 10 professionals and we share an office car. For less than 70k, it's full of scratches, dings, and people often leave it dangerously low on fuel.

That's a good point. You're talking about professional who share not only a car, but an office too. If these people can't manage their office car share, then how can we expect strangers to do it?

I despise car shares. In theory, it's a great system for those who can't justify their own vehicle. But in practice, it offers cars to those who lack the experience of daily driving. I cringe when I see an EVO or other carshare in the suburbs. I also give them a lot of space.


The people I know that can't drive very well err on the side of driving slower, not faster..

Good for you. Have a cookie.
https://cdn2.tmbi.com/TOH/Images/Photos/37/300x300/Sugar-Cookie-Fruit-Pizzas_exps36532_HC1154010B04_25_2b_RMS.jpg

I made it fruity, just like you.
:)

[ZN6]

Modo should not be using any type of sporty car for car share. Ppl will just be abusing the shit out of it. Rwd and rain doesnt take much to lose control.

LOL on stock michelin primacy hp. Good luck in the rain. :fullofwin:

[UnknownJinX]

Modo should not be using any type of sporty car for car share. Ppl will just be abusing the shit out of it. Rwd and rain doesnt take much to lose control.Yeah, I don't think having RWD cars in a rideshare is a good idea. I would probably draw the line at a MINI Cooper or a Fiat 500 Abarth. I may say Civic Si, but that comes in 6-speed only, so that's out of the question.

There are a lot of variables. Like mentioned, tires can be a factor. When I got my RX-8, it had some all-season tires and they are shit. They sometimes even have trouble gripping on dry ground, on a car with not very much low-end torque. Needless to say, I quickly swapped to some nice Falken Fk453 tires and those worked very well for the summer. In winter, I use proper winter tires(Nokian Hakkapeliitta R2 right now).

Add that to the fact that FR-S is quite tail-happy, it's easy to see why this combination is disastrous.

I also doubt an average carshare user would know how to correct oversteer.

Lastly, can you still disable traction control on these carshare sports cars?

[BIC_BAWS]

Putting a face to a story.

Ubyssey - After fatal car accident, friends remember UBC student Mackey Singh as a ‘force of nature’ (https://www.ubyssey.ca/news/mackey-singh-tribute/)

Nine days after a fatal car accident (sic this car accident), friends are remembering 21-year-old science student Mackey Singh as a “force of nature” who seemed to know just about everyone and do just about everything.

“Walking down Main Mall, it was difficult to not run into at least five or six people he knew, and it would just be constant waving,” said Jonah Pawluk, VP external of UBC Photosociety (Photosoc) — a club that Singh was particularly involved in throughout his time at university.

“Despite that, he had this ability to make anyone feel like they are the only person that matters. He was really good at connecting with people and remembering those connections.”


Samantha Matute, another Photosoc executive, echoed this description. When asked about a memory of Singh that stood out to her, she recalled a party where they lost Singh moments after walking into it only to find him chatting with a security guard later.

“Of course, he knows every single security guard and bartender at UBC,” Matute said.

“In Vancouver,” Pawluk chimed in.



But Pawluk and Matute also stressed that Singh was more than just his approachability and “booming presence” at parties and events. They described how he was juggling around five jobs while studying for the MCAT in hope of becoming a doctor.

“He was terribly driven, he was studying hard. He wanted to become a doctor and open his own hospital. He worked all of these jobs,” said Pawluk.

“He gave 300 per cent to everything that he did — it wasn’t just about the parties.”


Besides Photosoc, Singh also worked with Party Well, AMS Events and The Calendar.

“He deeply touched the lives of all the Fam by always offering to help in any way he could. When we were struggling, he was there for us. When we threw our regular house parties, he was always the life of the party and never failed to put a huge smile on our faces,” reads a statement from Party Well.

According to Pawluk and Matute, Photosoc will be hosting a gallery in the Alumni Centre from March 20 to 22 and from March 26 to 28 in dedication to Singh. A number of his works will also be on display.

“If you tell his story to someone, he would not seem real — he doesn’t sound like a real person to anyone,” said Matute.

“He’ll be missed but remembered.”

The Vancouver Police Department is still investigating the crash.



Looks like one stupid mistake led to the loss of a great person. Didn't know the guy, but I don't think he would have driven impaired. Perhaps he was overly stressed and wanted to drive as a stress-relief, but took it too far. RIP Mackey Singh.

[H.Specter]

Putting a face to a story.

Ubyssey - After fatal car accident, friends remember UBC student Mackey Singh as a ‘force of nature’ (https://www.ubyssey.ca/news/mackey-singh-tribute/)



Looks like one stupid mistake led to the loss of a great person. Didn't know the guy, but I don't think he would have driven impaired. Perhaps he was overly stressed and wanted to drive as a stress-relief, but took it too far. RIP Mackey Singh.

Would you have the same tune if his vehicle ended up colliding with an innocent victim?

[BIC_BAWS]

Would you have the same tune if his vehicle ended up colliding with an innocent victim?Not sure if I would have went the "he deserved it" route, if that's what you're wondering. I think even if that happened, it's a poor guy who made a dumb choice, which is the case right now. Even if that did happen, fact of the matter is, there's a story to every person, and this is his. Not sure how collateral damage speaks to his story or is even relevant to this. Seeing that he wanted to be a doctor, and if he killed someone, I'm sure even that's something that would be regretted for life.

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[twitchyzero]

did this guy go to autocross events with ubcscc?

sorry to see one dumb error costed a guy with a good potential...that said i'm glad he didn't take out another life

[Traum]

did this guy go to autocross events with ubcscc?

Don't recognize the name among the participants, but I can't pretend that I attend every single event like I used to.

Given the description from Ubyssey, I would not at all be surprised if it was a sheer case of exhaustion. If he was juggling 5 jobs while studying MCAT, there is no way he is not exhausted.

[Hondaracer]

So i drove one of the car2go's CLA today for the first time in a while..

Honestly this guy must have been fucking around pretty hard to end up the way he did, these cars are fucking terrible, i had a decent stretch of nanaimo with no traffic and tried to "step on it" the delay in acceleration and the way it picks up speed, you gotta be on the gas for quite a while to actually get going.

Honestly feel like these cars are actually pretty safe because they are so shitty, feel like my Hyudnai Elantra would be more dangerous if you were just booting around the streets

[anxiety]

While the guy might have worked really hard while studying, I find the article a bit exaggerating. Juggling between 5 jobs? Let's just say 1 job 1 day per week, that's 5 days a week working like a full timer.

I'm not gonna sit here and say i never did something stupid, but that is purely either a stupid move or a drunk move by that young guy, under no circumstances (doesn't matter if you are stressed or not) should someone drive that fast on a street to cause a crash so severe like that, regardless of how great of a guy he is.

[clevernickname]

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/driver-dead-after-violent-crash-involving-modo-co-op-car-in-vancouver-1.4066598

Surprise surprise.

[yray]

you think they put a speed limiter on these things with live speed tracking.

[bcedhk]

"police said speed is an apparent factor".
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[twitchyzero]

did modo remove 500 abarth from their fleet?

[AstulzerRZD]

did modo remove 500 abarth from their fleet?

Nope.. still there as far as I can tell.

Don't think it's the fastest car in their fleet since they have the auto... that might actually go to the BMW X1s that they have (0-60 in 6.4... the FR-S [8.1], IS200t [6.5], and Abarth [6.9] are slower)

[SkinnyPupp]

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/driver-dead-after-violent-crash-involving-modo-co-op-car-in-vancouver-1.4066598

Surprise surprise.
What do you mean by "surprise surprise"?

[Jmac]

https://globalnews.ca/news/4407812/fatal-vancouver-crash-speed/

I'm not a crash investigator or anything, but seems obvious the cones indicate the driving line. There don't appear to be skid marks.

[twitchyzero]

Nope.. still there as far as I can tell.

Don't think it's the fastest car in their fleet since they have the auto... that might actually go to the BMW X1s that they have (0-60 in 6.4... the FR-S [8.1], IS200t [6.5], and Abarth [6.9] are slower)

the abarth is automatic but the 86 are all manual?

[BIC_BAWS]

the abarth is automatic but the 86 are all manual?86 is auto

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[roastpuff]

That is a trickier corner, especially at night if you're sleepy or drunk - off camber, bumpy, not the clearest.

I used to live in the area and went up and down Arbutus a lot.