[Fcukedd]

Definitely beating a dead horse of a topic but anyhow...

For those who drive or own one of the newer models from BMW, what have your experience been like so far?

Specifically, I am looking to get into a CPO 2015 435i with ~20,000KM.

I'm hoping to get some genuine advice on what to expect, such as the most prevalent problems regarding these vehicles, the joys of owning a BMW, and just how they are in general. I'm going to assume the majority of you are going to advise not to go for it, and that is completely fair - I would just like to know the reasons why.

This will be my first BMW, and after some research, the reviews are mixed and all over the place. I understand Euros do not have the best reputation in terms of reliability, but I have considered that into my finances.

Thanks!!!

[Jonydakiller]

Had a 2012 and now have a 2016.
I would recommend to get the extended warranty if you are planning to own for a while.
Driving experience been superb, interior techs lagging as always even on my 2016, if you like all the fancy gadgets go for an Audi or Merc, couple of my buddy have A4s, they been doing great with fancy virtual cockpit etc.
Oh, and you have to pay for courtesy car at BMW, coz they are giving you "premium" cars like 328i to take home, exact words from my service advisor. F off lol

[Energy]

If you have CPO then you're good. Try to get the extended warranty so you have warranty for 6 years which should take you up to 2021.

I had the E92 335i and it was the perfect combination of sport and luxury. It was smooth, powerful and drove well without beating you up. Stuff broke but it was always fixed under warranty and the downtime was minimal. This was when the kms were getting close to 100,000 kms but the car you're looking at still has low kms.

[Badhobz]

2008 128i (wife's car) and before that 1998 318is (also her car). I've had my share of fun with these cars

318is issues:
- valve cover gaskets x2 roughly 40,000km each
- o2 sensors
- cats replaced twice
- control arm
- water pump
- timing belt tensioner

128i
- vanos replaced under warranty
- valve cover gasket (only 60,000kms)
- timing chain tensioner
- windshield wiper fluid tank pump

The 128 is one of the last naturally aspirated BMWs and even then it had issues. The turbos are much worse.
Drives quite well but the ride is too punishing with the short wheel base. Not luxurious at all, quite spartan for both these cars. I'm sure the new ones are better but the older ones had more charm. That 318is was a turd but we still have our 128i. She still loves it.

[prudz]

Oh, and you have to pay for courtesy car at BMW, coz they are giving you "premium" cars like 328i to take home, exact words from my service advisor. F off lol

Brian Jessel BMW offers courtesy cars for free. You just have to return them with a full tank of fuel. I don't know where you are servicing but every dealer has their own guidelines.

[Jonydakiller]

Brian Jessel BMW offers courtesy cars for free. You just have to return them with a full tank of fuel. I don't know where you are servicing but every dealer has their own guidelines.
Are you sure? I'm at autowest, maybe some sweet talks might get a free loaner but I hate my service advisor so less talking the better LOL
After some googling, this is what I found

All dealers in BC change a $25+tax for a BMW loaner. You can also get a generic rental car for free. If you have a personal friend at dealer they may just let you get one without paying.

In Ontario, some bmw dealers want $50 + taxes + your refilled gas for bimmer; non bmw would be $25 +

My gf has mini, they don't even expect you to fill any gas at all lol upon returning.

[dn53]

I would also second getting extended warranty if you plan on keeping for awhile, and i'd recommend that for any europeon car manufacturer. The n55 motor is actually pretty reliable from what I've seen. Carbon on the valves is not much of an issue as compared to the older n54 motor, and these cars pull pretty damn hard. Majority of the major work being oil pan leakage and oil filter housing gaskets which can be pretty expensive but def nothing that's going to leave you stranded on the road.

[yray]

u gonna get fcuked LOL

extended warranty and have a good SA

[kkttsang]

I am getting rid of my 10 yr old bmw and trading it in for some more reliable.

If you plan on keeping it after warranty then no unless you can do some of the work or are willing to spend time and money for repairs. It’s a trade off really, bmw does have a nice driving dynamic but are you willing to risk reliability for it.

I was like you 10 years ago researching reliability, people only post bad stuff online and majority od bmw is probably problem free and so I got one and I regretted it after warranty period was over. Valve gasket which was common in the
One engine, all 6 ignition coil went recently, and electric gremlins 2x. And each cost more than your regular brand to service.

Really come down to what your situation is, if you can afford it then why not.

[toyota86]

Get extended warranty. Preferably the factory one. The third party stuff is hit or miss when you try to claim.

I've had many bmw. They drive well when they work. They usually don't. The worst part of owning a BMW is the paranoia. On something like a Toyota, a clunk, a squeak, a rattle, a CEL, usually means something is on its way out but you're probably still good for another 30,000 km until something moderately annoying happens. On a BMW, any time something feels slightly off, the car is about to crap out royally. And, if you don't stop driving it and go fix it immediately, it will explode on you. Leaving you stranded and broke. Things that usually last the life of the car on a Japanese will become regular maintenance items on BMW. The only way I was able to afford to experience owning so many different bmw vehicles is that I fix them myself and buy parts internationally.

[Jmac]

Are you sure? I'm at autowest, maybe some sweet talks might get a free loaner but I hate my service advisor so less talking the better LOL
After some googling, this is what I found

All dealers in BC change a $25+tax for a BMW loaner. You can also get a generic rental car for free. If you have a personal friend at dealer they may just let you get one without paying.

In Ontario, some bmw dealers want $50 + taxes + your refilled gas for bimmer; non bmw would be $25 +

My gf has mini, they don't even expect you to fill any gas at all lol upon returning.
I've never had to pay for a loaner at BMW Nanaimo

[noclue]

My 2015 X5 has the same engine as a 435i. I have had no problems so far, knock on wood. The N55 is pretty good when it comes to reliability unlike BMW V8s. Out of paranoia, one thing I do since I own it and not leasing it is that I turned off the auto-start function, I don't think it's good long-term for a turbo engine.

[prudz]

:)

[mk1freak]

i can confirm BJ gave me a chevy spark for a courtesy for a steering service on a 2015 535. drove that bich for a week and then gave it back with a full tank after i beat the f out of it :pokerface:

[Jonydakiller]

I'm sure all BMW owners can relate to this, everytime I hear that BMW unique chime while driving I get cold shivers LOL, thinking whats wrong this time around
I had drivetrain mulfunctioned once in my 2012, and you can google it, it's quite popular on the recent BMWs.
Good thing I had drive moderately instead of pull aside now and call emergency numbers listed.
The chime could also mean temperature lower than 3C or low fuel, but i hate that chime, just because I had a bad chime once, it's forever in my head!

[Jmac]

That chime means it’s either cold outside or something just cost me $1000+.

Worst part is no warning, car will be driving fine until the chime.

[bcrdukes]

I am of the opinion that a lot of planning is required when it comes to BMW ownership.
More specifically, planning financially and your life / schedule around the vehicle to ensure it is maintained and cared for regularly. I find that most owners do not have a transition plan for when they want to get rid of the BMW, whether it is within a warranty period or not.

toyota86 summed it up best; BMWs are great when they work, however, they usually don't. I've owned three BMWs (and I'm not sure why) but if I were to own one again, it would have to have a meticulous maintenance history, or brand new on a short term lease. I would be not be hell bent on buying one again. They will forever be branded as, "The Ultimate Driving Machine," however, given my experience, I feel that a more true and reflective opinion is that they are the ultimate financial nightmare. Everytime I got into my previous BMWs, I always wondered, "What will happen today?" I never felt comfortable. More BMW owners are less than likely to share their negative experiences, claiming that their BMW was God's chariot. On the flip side, I really did enjoy my E30 325i and E36 M3. The E91 wagon - not so much.

Having said all that, do get one, and then report back to us three or four years later. :D

[Ferra]

I still have my 2009 335i since new (about 200K)
My suggestion, just lease a new one. Shits keep breaking.


Find a good lease deal, if $600-$800/month sounds too much money for you. Chances are owning a new one or a "slightly used" one it will cost you about the same.

I feel like bmw depreciates the most not when new, but around year 3-6. (People forget there are often factory credit + 6-8% dealer discount on new car when they compare with used car pricing.)

[DEADBEA7]

My suggestion, just lease a new one. Shits keep breaking.


Find a good lease deal, if $600-$800/month sounds too much money for you. Chances are owning a new one or a "slightly used" one it will cost you about the same.

^^ What he said.
Lease one new or buy one with a CPO but I wouldn't keep them long term, especially out of warranty. Some of the simplest things can turn into a 4 figure repair, for example a xenon low beam bulb might not be working one day then next thing you know it's the damn module that's broken and it'll cost you around $1000 for just the part.


<<< Deals with these cars everyday

[68style]

I owned a BMW once for 2 months, didn't have any breakdowns or repairs, but when I sold it I couldn't shake that feeling like I had just dodged a bullet or paused to look at something right before a bus came through a crosswalk I would have been in.

:fullofwin:

[68style]

i can confirm BJ gave me a chevy spark for a courtesy for a steering service on a 2015 535. drove that bich for a week and then gave it back with a full tank after i beat the f out of it :pokerface:

I don't understand why people do this. Treat other people's property with respect or the service disappears (and then you complain that they don't offer it anymore) or you're the first person running to CTV news or whatever if they do anything at all to your car, but it's okay to fuck their car up right? Sheesh... entitlement much?

[TouringTeg]

^ Yikes

02 Infiniti Q45 HID bulbs $200 and ballast $700 from the dealer.

The cost to service luxury brands is a big reason why they depreciate quickly. That and the desire to have new tech and shiny.

[gramser57]

Don't do it, its going to be a money sinkhole, it is going to convert you into a diagnostic technician and when that BMW chime with the warning lights pop up it feels like getting kicked in the dick.

[bcrdukes]

Don't do it, its going to be a money sinkhole, it is going to convert you into a diagnostic technician and when that BMW chime with the warning lights pop up it feels like getting kicked in the dick.

Real words of wisdom. Could not have said it any better.

[teggy604]

Buy warranty. My friends 2009 x5 tranny gave up at 100,000kms. Luckly he had extended warranty.
Buy a scan tool because you will have shit loads of engine lights pop up and you dont want to be paying the dealer a diagnostic fee just to run a scan.

[Gh0st]

Buy warranty. My friends 2009 x5 tranny gave up at 100,000kms. Luckly he had extended warranty.
Buy a scan tool because you will have shit loads of engine lights pop up and you dont want to be paying the dealer a diagnostic fee just to run a scan.

Where to buy extended warranty (not from dealer as original warranty expired?) and what scan tool do you recommend?

[bcrdukes]

Typically, a dealer would offer the warranty. But you have to be careful as some warranties are capped for specific line items such as drivetrain, engine, electronics etc. Do your math and homework on what the risk vs. costs are in repairing a particular pain point. Would suck to find out that your transmission isn't covered because you didn't buy extended warranty.

[Fcukedd]

Sounds like a fucking headache. I will put all of this into consideration. Thanks everyone for chiming in.

[Simplex123]

^these are things to consider not just for used BMWs, but also the case for MB/Audi as well

[GS8]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGE6roEThig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPJ64sTa7KI

Basically, when the warranty is up, bail.

[bcrdukes]

Sounds like a fucking headache. I will put all of this into consideration. Thanks everyone for chiming in.

I don't think anyone here meant to douse the flames with a bucket of ice cold water; I certainly did not mean to. I mean, imagine you buy the 435i and suddenly the transmission and engine run into some kind of mechanical failure. The last thing anyone wants to do is say, "I told you so!"

It would help us all by identifying what you drive now, and then to perhaps throw us all a bone to get a better idea of what you are looking to achieve within your ownership of a BMW. Or if you have considered any alternatives? Will this be your daily driver? How much mileage are you averaging over the past three years? Go test drive a few cars first to see if you really like it, and if so, go for it. But as I said in my previous post - Do some heavy planning around it.

[BIC_BAWS]

They will forever be branded as, "The Ultimate Driving Machine,"

"The Ultimate Driving Machine" ... when it works. I hope the newer BMWs are better, but of the 9 months I've owned my e46, 4 of it was spend sitting in the garage LOL.

Everytime I got into my previous BMWs, I always wondered, "What will happen today?" I never felt comfortable.

THIS. Unlike bcrdukes, imma suck it up, cause I love my unreliable ultimate driving machine when it works.

Are you sure? I'm at autowest, maybe some sweet talks might get a free loaner but I hate my service advisor so less talking the better LOL

I'd just avoid those scammers at AutoWest. I know an RSer works in Parts, so the only reason for me to go to AutoWest is for parts, plus its close.

When I bought my e46 from a private party, I took it to AutoWest for the airbag recall. I actually didn't know I needed to do it, until I registered the car with AutoWest to check for recalls, since the airbag light wasn't on or anything.

Got the car in, SA was admiring it and tells me he hasn't seen "one of these for awhile" (im sitting there thinking oh cool, but its not a m3). Car gets the recall done, but now airbag light is on. When asked about it, SA says it's not covered under their complementary inspection, and won't tell me what the issue is, other than it's not their fault. So basically, they'll only tell me what the issue is, if I pay them a diagnostic fee for things they already know/caused. I just left. Haven't been back since.

On the other hand, I hear good things about Brian Jessel BMW sales, service, and parts dept tho. Buddy got his recall done there, and some complementary services b/c tech thought his 01 330ci with immola interior was mint and its rarity deserves free service LOL

[ISF]

I've always been a big fan of BMWs (and still am). I was considering an e92 M3 back when I was shopping for a car but after a lot of research I ended up buying a Lexus. I just didn't want the reliability worry on my mind after working so hard for my money. For what it's worth I never once regretted not owning a BMW. You may feel differently though so do what you feel is more important to you. Good luck

[LP700-4]

I also considered F30/32 335/435 before I made my decision and found that these were supposed to be pretty reliable. N55 is nowhere near as problematic as the old N54 and they all use the ZF 8 speed transmissions which typically nobody complains about.

Being a CPO I wouldn't worry about it too much. End of day any car can have problems, whether its small electrical glitches or major mechanical problems is luck of the draw.

[Pumbaa]

I've owned E53 X5, E65 E60 535xi, F10 535x drive, E65 745li still have F30 328i.
From brand new to used, I would say reliability depends on luck. (N54s are the worse but I love it) But IMO any model over 100k kms is problematic.
I think if you never own one, you should get one at least once in your life. I've enjoy all the bmws I owned, but I would never dare to keep them for too long, 3-5 year is my ownership time frame. Even with extended warranty, the maintenance bills are high as well. Leasing is better option if you are not a mechanic or know a friend who is.
If you care so much about reliability, I would never recommend anything else but Japanese brand. However, if you want to experience driving, you have to get a BMW before u can say its really not that amazing. . . or is it? lol

[westopher]

e36 m3 is far and above the best car I have owned. Its broken down, but overall its been reliable, incredible to drive, and I wouldn't get rid of it for anything at this point.
e46 touring is complete trash. It drives like a boat. If it was a TV it would be branded as a SORNY or MAGNETBOX, and BMW should have gone out of business for allowing such trash to roll of the production line.
You are rolling the dice, but I feel the newer the car, the more disposable I'd expect it to be. They just keep getting more and more complicated, and the repair bills can outpace the values so quickly. Buy new (because of the warranty), or buy old (because of the simplicity), but buying in-between is what makes me nervous.

[StanleyR]

For what it's worth I never once regretted not owning a BMW.

Only when I'm flogging my is350 do I wish I had a BMW.
At least then, wasting all that premium fuel and tire tread would be exciting!:fullofwin:

With the Lexus, everything is anti-climactic.
:okay:

[mk1freak]

I drove it like it was my own bm.... Can't help it if it doesn't accelerate like one :badpokerface:
But in retrospect Yea probably shouldn't have taken it out on the shit piece courtesy car but going from a full size sedan to a tiny compact for a week wasnt sitting well with me especially having the dam thing during the recent dump of snow AND getting stuck cuz the bitch didn't have decent tires (shit all seasons) .. Didn't help the service guy laughed it off when I called that I was stuck and probably would need a tow Yep I really wanted to treat that car like a princess :pokerface:
at least have the common sense to provide snows or a comparable vehicle with awd :fulloffuck:

[6thGear.]

If you're buying a used euro car best to start knowing where the good independent specialized shops are especially if you're scared of the dealer costs. My Audi care just ran out but I've already started taking my S4 to RPI Equipped.


Brian Jessel BMW offers courtesy cars for free. You just have to return them with a full tank of fuel. I don't know where you are servicing but every dealer has their own guidelines.

Same with Capilano Audi. There fleet ranges from A3/Q3-A4/Q5. New models to boot.

[ISF]

Only when I'm flogging my is350 do I wish I had a BMW.
At least then, wasting all that premium fuel and tire tread would be exciting!:fullofwin:

With the Lexus, everything is anti-climactic.
:okay:

I should probably mention that my brother and some close friends of mine own various BMWs. But just personally I don't regret not owning one. I wanted to clarify that I'm not putting BMW down or anything as I'm a big fan of them like I mentioned already. Reliability is just a big factor for me personally that's why I went the Lexus route.

Never driven the is350 but I'm happy with my isf

[asma123]

Ive owned
2004 330ci zhp
2002 x5 4.4
2002 e46 m3 convertible
2002 e46 m3 coupe
2007 x5 4.8
2010 x6 3.0

I haven’t really had many issues.
I never had any of them breaking down on me. Generally an issue will creep up on you slowly and you’ll know something will need to be taken care of.
The main thing is maintenance. If you don’t change the fluids then expect the failures to come up.

[Badhobz]

Lexus. Always Lexus.

[jshen]

E70 X5M with 100k now, just EVAP hose. Dealer wanted 1900CAD for parts. Bought it online from states picked up Pt.Rob for 200$ and installed in 5 mins.

1 Headlight bulb at 90k.

Does consume little bit of oil, top up 1Qt between oil changes.

Otherwise, been very happy with the vehicle. Will be trading it in these coming 2 months as extended warranty is ending VERY soon.

[BIC_BAWS]

You can check out BMW Engines | Specs, oil change, problems, tuning (http://mywikimotors.com/) to see the oil consumption (if reported) for the 435. Most older (e46 era) BMWs burn about 1L per 1000KM. There might be some information for you there, but I can't confirm as site is currently down for maint.

[ISF]

E70 X5M with 100k now, just EVAP hose. Dealer wanted 1900CAD for parts. Bought it online from states picked up Pt.Rob for 200$ and installed in 5 mins.

1 Headlight bulb at 90k.

Does consume little bit of oil, top up 1Qt between oil changes.

Otherwise, been very happy with the vehicle. Will be trading it in these coming 2 months as extended warranty is ending VERY soon.

I love the X5M. That SUV is just a beast. What do you plan on getting next? F15?

[xXSupa]

Are you sure? I'm at autowest, maybe some sweet talks might get a free loaner but I hate my service advisor so less talking the better LOL
After some googling, this is what I found

All dealers in BC change a $25+tax for a BMW loaner. You can also get a generic rental car for free. If you have a personal friend at dealer they may just let you get one without paying.

In Ontario, some bmw dealers want $50 + taxes + your refilled gas for bimmer; non bmw would be $25 +

My gf has mini, they don't even expect you to fill any gas at all lol upon returning.

That fee can be waived if you're on good terms with your service advisor. My mom used to take her car to auto west and she always asked them to waive it for her. I usually go to park shore and my advisor waives it for me as well. I used to go to Brian jessel as well and they never even mentioned anything about a loaner fee. Really up to the dealer/service advisor on that one.


That chime means it’s either cold outside or something just cost me $1000+.

Worst part is no warning, car will be driving fine until the chime.

Oh my god so much truth in this quote. LOL.


@OP if you get a BMW, just be prepared that stuff is gonna start breaking past 80,000 to 100,000 KM. Extended warranty is nice and I would 100% recommend it, but for some reason I feel like all the big things break after you're out of warranty. My moms X5 needed a new transmission one month out of warranty. My 335 needed a new water pump 2.5 months out of warranty..

That being said, I am probably still gonna get a BMW for my next car just because I like the way they drive and the styling.

[bcrdukes]

Somewhat off topic, but I saw an RS member post in another thread with the username BrokenEuro and I thought of this thread.

[Akinari]

Had a leased E90 LCI 323i back in late 2010, used it for nothing more than commuting around 100km/day at least 4-5 days a week. Two years later, around 35,000kms iirc, car abruptly bogged down and went into limp mode while accelerating on the southbound on ramp to the 99 from Westminster Highway. Had to limp the car 30kms home misfiring like crazy with a CEL. Routine maintenance had all been done, oil changed every 5000kms, spark plugs just checked a few months prior.

Found out later the car decided to simultaneously fry two coil packs, which actually resulted in some internal damage to the head after BMW checked it out. Car was in the shop for about a week as they rebuilt the head. Everything covered by warranty and I got a courtesy 323i, which happened to get a CEL after two days of driving it. Strangely enough the motor never felt the same following the rebuild, just felt rough and down on power.

From that point on I vowed never to own a BMW ever again. As great as they are to drive, it's really not worth the headaches. Having owned a Honda since 2004 and racking up more than 350,000kms without a single issue aside from stuff breaking from wear-and-tear (with a perfect comp test to boot), now owning a Toyota with 260,000kms and still going, and my parents leasing Mercedes vehicles without any issues either (except for a squeaky/malfunctioning panoramic sunroof fixed under warranty), I'm not sure why it's so difficult for BMW to make good cars.

[Jonydakiller]

LOL, you guys are definitely scaring @Fcukedd from owning a bimmer EleGiggle

F80s/F82s have fairly good reputation, recommend do some homework from bimmerpost, there is a poll from all the users on if they have problems with their F80s and if they do, what is it, you can see it's very small numbers of % that actually have issues, mostly have none. I had N54 engine in my F10, same in 435i that you are thinking I believe, it is a powerful and smooth engine and BMW been using them for a while so i mean, any flaws should been covered already by 2014.

I do have a solution for you, be like me, get a F82 still but get the M version, then you sit your fat ass on those wonderful seats M has, fire up the engine and let that sweet exhaust sinks in your ears a little bit. A voice then comes in telling you everything will be okay. You then start to pull away from the garage, all you be thinking is that today is gonna be the best day ever!
You be ok man with F82, don't let these ppl bully you LOL

[bcrdukes]

I do have a solution for you, be like me, get a F82 still but get the M version, then you sit your fat ass on those wonderful seats M has, fire up the engine, misfire, and let that sweet exhaust sinks in your ears a little bit until blue smoke comes out. A voice then comes in telling you everything will not be okay. You then start to pull away from the garage, all you be thinking is that today the engine is going to blow, and the radiator cracks, and the water pump fails, and the transmission fails!
You be ok man with F82, let these ppl bully you LOL

Fixed :troll:

[Badhobz]

Epic. This poor guy.

Bro just buy it if you like it. Yolo. Trust me there are worse cars out there for reliability.... Cough ... Hack... Weeeze... Italian...

[Fcukedd]

LOL. These are awesome and entertaining responses, thanks guys.

There is also a 2017 440i that I am considering as well. Similar price and mileage, but 2 years newer so a little bit more forgiving I suppose?

I have considered an IS350 and ideally, an RC350 but long story short, I have credit towards Brian Jessel BMW so I am basically stuck with choosing from their inventory.

I guess more research is due regarding these F32s before I finalize a decision...

[underscore]

I don't know how much the credit is for, but depreciation and maintenance costs might offset any initial savings from the credit fairly quickly.

[Fcukedd]

About 11 grand..

[Indy]

are you able to use the credit at their preowned lot?

https://www.brianjesselbmw.com/en-CA/used/lexus-is-350-2016-599694

[LP700-4]

LOL. These are awesome and entertaining responses, thanks guys.

There is also a 2017 440i that I am considering as well. Similar price and mileage, but 2 years newer so a little bit more forgiving I suppose?

I have considered an IS350 and ideally, an RC350 but long story short, I have credit towards Brian Jessel BMW so I am basically stuck with choosing from their inventory.

I guess more research is due regarding these F32s before I finalize a decision...

B58 engine in 340/440 is a whole another can of worms. New engine for BMW, while its a good engine and definitely underrated its reliability isn't quite proven yet. Hearing a lot of coolant issues from my friend with a 340i.

Warranty will be nice but be aware for long-term

[Gh0st]

apparently the n20 engines are very reliable. that being said every engine has it's "quirks" but from what I've read and know the n20 is pretty solid.

I've had the f10 m5 previously (not an n20 motor) but I did a lot of reading around the entire line up.

all the negative comments about BMW can be found on other forums about other german makes. Specifically Porsche. I've owned a Porsche too and it was the MOST expensive and LEAST reliable of the germans I've owned. Mercedes was pretty bad too. CL500 AMG convertible.

The bmw had some things that came up that did not come up on my japanese vehicles like the watervalve. Got the part for 140 bucks at the dealer and paid 105 for the installation.

I've had a few german cars and been on a few forums.. same complaints that BMW get. but for some reason people just find it easier to bash on BMW lol probably because of the driver demographics lol.

I've always sourced parts online, finding the best deals and sending them across the border for pick up. if i can't do it i'll ask for discounts at lordco and try to get a good oem replacement.

I enjoyed doing those things and looking around for deals or replacement parts. I had the patience and still do. Then I bring it to my local mechanic and pay cash only. If you can wrap your head around doing this part then owning a german car like BMW isn't all that bad. You don't always have to get raped at the dealer. Just a bit of reading and price comparisons and regular maintenance and you're good to go.

The majority of fixes are all common amongst standard vehicles. And for things they don't know they can pull codes for. So the only thing I'd be worried about, that affects ALL cars, are catastrophic failures.

It's really not THAT much more expensive than owning an infiniti per se.

[prudz]

No other car is going to let me rest my feet up while giving me a shoulder massage all while I feel like i'm being driven on a cloud. My vote, buy a bmw :)

Just saying.

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Just buy warranty and drive stress free OP with whatever car you choose to go with. It often seems like people with negative experiences have them because they don't have coverage and have to pay out of pocket. The numbers of times i've heard people explicitly tell me "I've heard these things can cost a lot of money" then I say "buy some warranty for peace of mind" only to find out they declined all coverage's is mind boggling. Generally these are the unlucky people that have something break and then face a bill. No matter what the brand of car you will be upset. Cars break down, every manufacture. You'd be a wild gambling man to drive any luxury vehicle without coverage, but that is just my thought.

[Badhobz]

No other car is going to let me rest my feet up while giving me a shoulder massage all while I feel like i'm being driven on a cloud. My vote, buy a bmw :)

Just saying.

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Just buy warranty and drive stress free OP with whatever car you choose to go with. It often seems like people with negative experiences have them because they don't have coverage and have to pay out of pocket. The numbers of times i've heard people explicitly tell me "I've heard these things can cost a lot of money" then I say "buy some warranty for peace of mind" only to find out they declined all coverage's is mind boggling. Generally these are the unlucky people that have something break and then face a bill. No matter what the brand of car you will be upset. Cars break down, every manufacture. You'd be a wild gambling man to drive any luxury vehicle without coverage, but that is just my thought.

You serious ? S class, Bentley, rolls, hell even the Lexus LS has those functions

[prudz]

You serious ? S class, Bentley, rolls, hell even the Lexus LS has those functions

Why so defensive? Just telling OP BMW's are nice.

[Badhobz]

Why so defensive? Just telling OP BMW's are nice.

Sorry I wasn't trying to be. I agree BMWs are nice, but those features you mentioned aren't 7 series exclusive. Almost all luxury marques has a flagship sedan that can do those things

[Gh0st]

Why so defensive? Just telling OP BMW's are nice.

well said prudz. the question is how does one obtain coverage if bought the BMW warranty expires and owner sells vehicle to another person.

New person buys vehicle with no coverage, from private party - what to do? what options are there for coverage?

[twitchyzero]

OP asked about a CPO 4 series so I don't know how relevant it is that you're able to put your feet up in the flagship model :confused:

[Badhobz]

Because foot rests and comfort are BMW hallmarks ��
I'm being facetious of course

[prudz]

well said prudz. the question is how does one obtain coverage if bought the BMW warranty expires and owner sells vehicle to another person.

New person buys vehicle with no coverage, from private party - what to do? what options are there for coverage?

That sir is the reason people buy from dealers and not private parties. The services available at dealers include being able to buy extended warranty on pre-owned cars. Privately it is not a possibility.

OP asked about a CPO 4 series so I don't know how relevant it is that you're able to put your feet up in the flagship model :confused:

It is the picture relevant? Not really but my advice on warranty is extremely relevant. I'm simply saying BMW's are nice in a thread full of mixed messages. As many have said, they are amazing when they work. I have owned many and have always had coverage. My Honda's have given me way, way more hassles than my BMW's. The difference, I fix my Honda's myself, parts cost next to nothing so I get this false sense of security that they have been these reliable dream machines when in reality I have always ended up sinking about as much as a warranty costs in parts spread over time (I might ad the same amount of time as warranties generally run). My BMW's on the other hand I just let warranty cover it. Have they had issues, yes. The difference is i've never had to pay anything to have them fixed since I just claim it all.

What to take from this OP. Buy some warranty if you buy a luxury car. They are delights to drive. If you don't want to worry about what you are driving buy some coverage and just focus on the enjoyment the cars bring :)

[xXSupa]

No other car is going to let me rest my feet up while giving me a shoulder massage all while I feel like i'm being driven on a cloud. My vote, buy a bmw :)

Just saying.


Just buy warranty and drive stress free OP with whatever car you choose to go with. It often seems like people with negative experiences have them because they don't have coverage and have to pay out of pocket. The numbers of times i've heard people explicitly tell me "I've heard these things can cost a lot of money" then I say "buy some warranty for peace of mind" only to find out they declined all coverage's is mind boggling. Generally these are the unlucky people that have something break and then face a bill. No matter what the brand of car you will be upset. Cars break down, every manufacture. You'd be a wild gambling man to drive any luxury vehicle without coverage, but that is just my thought.

What about after warranty expires? Those things only last so long lol.

[Gerbs]

Maybe a used E92 335i would be a better choice. Depreciation is already at $13 - 19k, get a 6 speed manual <80k. Just worry about water pumps and blown turbos :fullofwin:

[AstulzerRZD]

apparently the n20 engines are very reliable. that being said every engine has it's "quirks" but from what I've read and know the n20 is pretty solid.


Don't the N20s have widespread timing chain issues?

[AstulzerRZD]

LOL. These are awesome and entertaining responses, thanks guys.

There is also a 2017 440i that I am considering as well. Similar price and mileage, but 2 years newer so a little bit more forgiving I suppose?

I have considered an IS350 and ideally, an RC350 but long story short, I have credit towards Brian Jessel BMW so I am basically stuck with choosing from their inventory.

I guess more research is due regarding these F32s before I finalize a decision...

Here's why you might want to consider the IS over the RC...

RC is heavier since it was originally meant to have a convertible variant
RC is a mixture of a bunch of chassis (GS rear, IS-C center).. reviews seem to think it doesn't have the balance that the IS has

[twitchyzero]

What about after warranty expires? Those things only last so long lol.

shoulda kept your Sebring, Michael Scott 4Head

[TOPEC]

LOL, you guys are definitely scaring @Fcukedd from owning a bimmer EleGiggle

F80s/F82s have fairly good reputation, recommend do some homework from bimmerpost, there is a poll from all the users on if they have problems with their F80s and if they do, what is it, you can see it's very small numbers of % that actually have issues, mostly have none. I had N54 engine in my F10, same in 435i that you are thinking I believe, it is a powerful and smooth engine and BMW been using them for a while so i mean, any flaws should been covered already by 2014.

I do have a solution for you, be like me, get a F82 still but get the M version, then you sit your fat ass on those wonderful seats M has, fire up the engine and let that sweet exhaust sinks in your ears a little bit. A voice then comes in telling you everything will be okay. You then start to pull away from the garage, all you be thinking is that today is gonna be the best day ever!
You be ok man with F82, don't let these ppl bully you LOL

prettttty sure both of ur BMWs had the N55 version engine which is a lot more reliable than the N54 by miles.

[Boostslut]

By reading this thread, makes it seem like all BMW are shit boxes. So why are there SOOO many of them all over the place in the lower mainland, and one of the most popular luxury vehicles in the world?

[Fcukedd]

are you able to use the credit at their preowned lot?

https://www.brianjesselbmw.com/en-CA/used/lexus-is-350-2016-599694

In fact, that is exactly the location where my credit is viable. Considered that vehicle as well, but not exactly my preference in terms of colour lol. However it may be the best option if the BMW ends up being unsuitable.

[BIC_BAWS]

By reading this thread, makes it seem like all BMW are shit boxes. So why are there SOOO many of them all over the place in the lower mainland, and one of the most popular luxury vehicles in the world?

Because there's someone named Ludia Li who (quoting buddy in the industry) "is the self proclaimed "queen of BMW".Takes all the chinese customers through referrals. Every chinese idiot in Richmond somehow knows if you buy a BMW go find Ludia Li. She sells 50-80 cars a month... She makes almost a million a year
😮Worst part is she put her son, husband, and daughter in Auto West too.

But mainly cause all the chinese people only buy Mercedes benz or 3 series as their common daily commuter. When I was growing up, everybody had a civic or camry LOL. They thought, buy japanese cause reliability. Now they think, buy german because the metal is stronger!

[smoothie.]

lease a new one.

payments are *decent*

scheduled maintenance is free

warranty is definitely needed

[tofu1413]

Here a simple statement on all cars:



if you can't afford to keep it running nor afford for repairs / maintenance, don't bother buying one.


you want a car you want to enjoy, you fork out the money.

if you need a to b and use it like means of transportation, buy a Civic or Corolla (or Tacoma if need a truck/ something slightly bigger)


nice things would cost you money. There is no perfect machine. God didn't make it.

if you cant afford it and stingy with money, look into buying a bus pass, don't bother with cars at all.

[Badhobz]

Because there's someone named Ludia Li who (quoting buddy in the industry)

But mainly cause all the chinese people only buy Mercedes benz or 3 series as their common daily commuter. When I was growing up, everybody had a civic or camry LOL. They thought, buy japanese cause reliability. Now they think, buy german because the metal is stronger!

omfg, i dealt with her before!!! she's really doesnt know shit about cars and just spouts some typical chinese misconception bullshit "a la BMW cars are safer, BMW's are better built, etc" We ended up buying the 128i from bmw store but she kept following up intensively for a few weeks. calling almost everyday.

Thats how she gets her customers, she nags them to death until they come in and buy from her. Plus BMW's stupid image of being what young, hip, chinese drive vs Mercedes which is what their fathers/mothers drive.

:okay:

[hwangr]

2007 323i E90
It was great, ran great, but your average indy couldn't reset the computer. Was good all the way through 90k til I traded it.

2012 328i F30
Ran great except ran into a locking mechanism issue at around 40k mark. Warranty covered it. 60k km easy no problem.

2015 328i M sport F30
No mechnical issues, runs efficient but pretty fast if you step on it. Looks great.
iDrive 4 always bugs out with new OS updates. Currently my winter beater. xDrive is insanely good with snow tires. I was pummeling through deep snow on a steep incline where an SUV without proper tires couldn't. Currently at 50k km without an issue.

2015 M4 Coupe F82
Currently 25k km with zero issues so far. Still iDrive 4 so I didn't expect much from it.
Apparently iDrive 6 is insanely good with touch screen and gestures which is 2017+.

Don't expect much from older BMW unless it's an M3 and extremely well maintained. I haven't driven any newer ones past 50k but some of my M4 and _35i buddies have made it past 150k some how and they haven't ran into major issues if well maintained. Just routine maintenance and some small parts needing replacement after that many kms.

Take a grain of salt with any posts, there are horror stories out there but that's the same with any car. People with the faults are louder than people without. BMW is a great car and the current latest tech is up to date with the other brands as well although some Merc and Audi drives say iDrive 6 is a marvel to use.

:)

Watch me get flamed now cuz this forum has people with pretty distinctive taste.

Oh and if you're considering buying one, get it from @tofu1413 at Brian Jessel Preowned. He's awesome to work with.

[StanleyR]

By reading this thread, makes it seem like all BMW are shit boxes. So why are there SOOO many of them all over the place in the lower mainland, and one of the most popular luxury vehicles in the world?

Persians and Asians. The two reasons why BMW's are so popular in the lower mainland!

[DGN23]

Coming up on a year with a 13' E92 M3. Not a single issue yet *knock on wood* If you want one and you can afford the running costs associated with it then do it. You only live once.

[The_AK]

Owned an e46 330ci with the usual hiccups and now an e90 330i. Its a love and hate relationship but when things are great theres no better feeling in the world. As annoying as they can be I do all the work myself so I save quite a bit there. Also, don't get an auto.

[H.Specter]

Owned an e46 330ci with the usual hiccups and now an e90 330i. Its a love and hate relationship but when things are great theres no better feeling in the world. As annoying as they can be I do all the work myself so I save quite a bit there. Also, don't get an auto.

How do you find transition between e46 to e90?

[The_AK]

How do you find transition between e46 to e90?

Maturing

[BIC_BAWS]

How do you find transition between e46 to e90?

Maturing

For one thing e90 owners are, more often than not, regular people. But as an e46 owner, I always seem to attract the attention of other e46s who try to race me all the time.

So if anything, you can probably drive more peacefully as the demographic is different. I actually wanted an e90 sedan as much as I wanted an e46 coupe, is the weight/power difference noticeable?

[donk.]

My Experience?

Bring My Wrench

In all srsness

2003 Z4, 100kms, starter failed due to carbon brush build up.
Amplifier in trunk failed due to clogged drain lines for roof.

2003 323i, 220k, endless error codes, after hours of messing around, turned out to be cracked vacuum lines.
Power steering pump failed

[Tone Loc]

By reading this thread, makes it seem like all BMW are shit boxes. So why are there SOOO many of them all over the place in the lower mainland, and one of the most popular luxury vehicles in the world?

The majority of BMW owners in the Lower Mainland fall into one of 2 categories, both of whom are non-enthusiasts:

Yuppies/executives who lease the cars and typically keep them for the first 3-4 years, which are usually trouble free. Most issues that come up are fixed under warranty.

Mainlanders who don't care because to them the brand is all that matters. You could offer them a rebuilt status 128i or a Civic touring that prints money every oil change and they would take the 128i because "bao ma".

I wouldn't say the cars are shit boxes. From my friends' experiences and stories from my mechanic buddies, FCA cars break down way more and are way less reliable than a BMW but the driving dynamics are still shit. You gotta pay to play. Having driven a few BMWs (never owned), I will say they are amazing to drive. Feels stable and in "in control" at speeds where my TSX would get squirrely. Hard to describe the feel. Cruising at 140-150 feels like doing 90-100 in my car. Just gotta ask yourself if it's worth it.

Better yet just lease and enjoy the best of both worlds!

[UnknownJinX]

Mainlanders who don't care because to them the brand is all that matters. You could offer them a rebuilt status 128i or a Civic touring that prints money every oil change and they would take the 128i because "bao ma".

I just saw a BMW with a huge wing on the back on my way back.

I find some of the mods these kids put on have very bad tastes. FFS you have an expensive BMW and you still make it rice. That's an achievement.

[twitchyzero]

Feels stable and in "in control" at speeds where my TSX would get squirrely. Hard to describe the feel. Cruising at 140-150 feels like doing 90-100 in my car. Just gotta ask yourself if it's worth it.


probably comparing a turbo straight 6 to a 4 banger on a relatively smaller body

even those late 90s lincoln towncars of a boat feels slow at high speeds

totally agree with the rest of your assessment though

[Verdasco]

2006 750li


so much maintenance makes me not want to touch another BMW ever again...

edit: money wasn't the issue, the quality was.

[underscore]

I just saw a BMW with a huge wing on the back on my way back.

I find some of the mods these kids put on have very bad tastes. FFS you have an expensive BMW and you still make it rice. That's an achievement.

I'm seeing a lot of douchey young kids with pretty new BMWs absolutely ruining them these days. Around here some idiot took off his hood and front bumper, mounted a light bar to the hinges, rusted one front fender, painted the other one pink, painted the trunk gold, straightpiped it, slammed it, bolted the plate to the bumper skin instead of the actual license plate bracket, and a bunch of other janky shit. I think it's a newer E90 3 series or something.

[Kalize]

Owned 3 Bmws and never bought the warranty; looked into getting one but they were too expensive. A lot of the warranties won't cover some of the common bmw issues like oil leaks so there is no point getting it. You are your own warranty company!

Also if you do get one...change the oil every 10,000 km's; don't follow their intervals.

[325isMSPORT]

Everything is broken, all the time, you just accept it after a while.

[Hondaracer]

The problem is as well, which is evident In this thread, is look at the people who are the original owners of these cars which eventually become pre-owned resale’s

Completely inept at maintaining a car, ignore maintenance and CEL’s, and drive the vehicle into the ground before returning it on a 2/3/5 year lease. Do the absolute cheapest maintenance, fill the back with Jerry cans of cheap fuel etc.

It’s a trickle down effect lol

[mr00jimbo]

As a former VW owner, I'd have to be a real glutton for punishment to step up to BMW repairs and nickel/dime bullshit. ;)

[Mancini]

All of the current and former owners suggesting extended warranty tells me everything I need to know. I find value and enjoyment in durability. It's not a car for me.

[shiesty]

The problem is as well, which is evident In this thread, is look at the people who are the original owners of these cars which eventually become pre-owned resale’s

Completely inept at maintaining a car, ignore maintenance and CEL’s, and drive the vehicle into the ground before returning it on a 2/3/5 year lease. Do the absolute cheapest maintenance, fill the back with Jerry cans of cheap fuel etc.

It’s a trickle down effect lol

Well maintenance is included for the first 4 years of ownership of a BMW, albeit their oil change intervals are long (~10,000km)

[vantrip]

Well maintenance is included for the first 4 years of ownership of a BMW, albeit their oil change intervals are long (~10,000km)

I think some bmws owners just put in regular gas, its just a status symbol/keeping up with neighbours for some

[StanleyR]

After owning two e30's, I swore to myself I'd never purchase another BMW.

Reliability is harshly underrated amongst the Euro manufacturers.

[oldsnail]

i have a 09 MDX
my brother bought an 09 x5 the same time

MDX-i have just done regular maintenance and a relay that didn't work
BMW-He has already rebuilt the engine and transmission due to leaks and HG

[BIC_BAWS]

I think some bmws owners just put in regular gas, its just a status symbol/keeping up with neighbours for some

Oh yeah, from my friend who owns an e90 non m, the sales person/service advisor told him that he can get away with putting in regular. Only thing is that he'll be losing some power.

[westopher]

That’s one way to up the persons next service money spent.
“Oh weird, you need new knock sensors, cps, and your cats are damaged......weird.....
Oh man you should probably just buy a new one, we hav 0.9% financing!”

[UnknownJinX]

Oh yeah, from my friend who owns an e90 non m, the sales person/service advisor told him that he can get away with putting in regular. Only thing is that he'll be losing some power.Modern cars can retard timing if you use regular.

Feel free to put 87 in your Ecoboost Mustang, if you are cool with losing 60 horses.

[hwangr]

Oh yeah, from my friend who owns an e90 non m, the sales person/service advisor told him that he can get away with putting in regular. Only thing is that he'll be losing some power.

I'm aware it says 89AKI on the fuel cap for non M too.

[Mr.C]

This sums up my experience with two E38s; a V8 740i and my current DD, a V12 750iL:

https://az616578.vo.msecnd.net/files/2016/09/26/636105299923578088-1610436935_its%20fine.jpg

[97ITR]

[QUOTE=Mr.C;8896478]This sums up my experience with two E38s; a V8 740i and my current DD, a V12 750iL:

v12 750IL? Are some type of masochist?

[Indy]

Modern cars can retard timing if you use regular.

Feel free to put 87 in your Ecoboost Mustang, if you are cool with losing 60 horses.

my understanding though is that most cars aren't actually sampling the AKI of the fuel but instead using knock control.

so your engine will be knocking before the ecu starts retarding the timing. I'm not happy with that solution in terms of long term health for the engine.

[TouringTeg]

Modern cars can retard timing if you use regular.

Feel free to put 87 in your Ecoboost Mustang, if you are cool with losing 60 horses.

I know a guy who has been running 87 in his 2009 Audi A4 since almost new. It pulls timing and reduces horsepower. Cheap bastard.

[unit]

bought my 2009 in 2013, so far in 4.5 years it's been fairly good, but repairs are expensive.
pretty much anything that needs to get fixed is over $500, and even just doing front or rear brakes are $500 a set. a headlight burned out and the shop wanted $300 to replace both.. i bought one on amazon for like $60 and did just the one myself.
Tires cost more if you stick with runflats, oil costs about $150, uses premium fuel, etc...
Also there are some minor issues that are not critical but are still expensive fixes that i'm putting off.

Next car is japanese for sure!

[!LittleDragon]

Was looking to buy an 850i about 7 years ago as a daily driver... decided on something else instead... now that I'm in the habit of trading in my daily drivers every 5 years once the warranty is out , I'm once again looking looking at the 850i as a summer car.... but I probably won't, same reason why I didn't buy it back then... I don't want to fix it all the time..

[Mr.C]

[QUOTE=Mr.C;8896478]This sums up my experience with two E38s; a V8 740i and my current DD, a V12 750iL:

v12 750IL? Are some type of masochist?

Surprisingly, I've spent almost nothing on maintenance over 30k km, even though it was a barely running piece of shit when I bought it.

Spent way less than on the V8. Gas, however...

[Acura604]

so what became of this???

I am in a similar dilemna.... after 17 problem-free ACURA vehicles... albeit i may have only kept them around for up to 60,000km each or less - am now officially 'bored' of the brand.

looking at a 2016 BMW. A mere 19,000km on it and has 2yrs left of manufacturer warranty (aug 2020 or 80,000) and includes all maintenance up to that warranty period.

[JDMStyo]

It seems like things have improved since the 335 HFH days of the early E90's? Two friends that got them early all had cars stopped in middle of the road when the hoses leaked/came loose.

My experience is always to lease Euros for business expense. Works out the same.
Can't say I had terrible experience with Audi and Mercedes. Speaking from NEW vehicle standpoint, not buying depreciated vehicles off CL and bringing them up to snuff, etc.

Japanese cars retain value better and I don't mind financing and resell at higher than market. Usually other than rarer vehicles (M, AMG), most Euros don't seem to hold value well so save yourself the headache and potential repairs.

[Energy]

It seems like things have improved since the 335 HFH days of the early E90's? Two friends that got them early all had cars stopped in middle of the road when the hoses leaked/came loose.


Can confirm that this indeed happens.

[StanleyR]

so what became of this???

I am in a similar dilemna.... after 17 problem-free ACURA vehicles... albeit i may have only kept them around for up to 60,000km each or less - am now officially 'bored' of the brand.

looking at a 2016 BMW. A mere 19,000km on it and has 2yrs left of manufacturer warranty (aug 2020 or 80,000) and includes all maintenance up to that warranty period.

If your only keeping it for the warranty period, what's the big deal?
Go ahead, get it and enjoy it.
Once you get a feel for the repairs and maintenance you can decide if you want to keep it, get another one under warranty, or go back to Acura.

Seems like there's no possible bad choice here.

[Fcukedd]

so what became of this???

I am in a similar dilemna.... after 17 problem-free ACURA vehicles... albeit i may have only kept them around for up to 60,000km each or less - am now officially 'bored' of the brand.

looking at a 2016 BMW. A mere 19,000km on it and has 2yrs left of manufacturer warranty (aug 2020 or 80,000) and includes all maintenance up to that warranty period.

Ended up with a Lexus :lawl:

[xXSupa]

Ended up with a Lexus :lawl:

What did you end up doing with that credit from Brian Jessel LOL

[buhdeh]

this is a funny thread. i was also looking at a BMW (albeit 3 series) but ultimately ended up with a Lexus IS cause i didn't want to deal with all that comes with owning a BMW.

[smoothie.]

this is a funny thread. i was also looking at a BMW (albeit 3 series) but ultimately ended up with a Lexus IS cause i didn't want to deal with all that comes with owning a BMW.

pussy

[Z3guy]

this is a funny thread. i was also looking at a BMW (albeit 3 series) but ultimately ended up with a Lexus IS cause i didn't want to deal with all that comes with owning a BMW.

lexus is the safe rational left brain choice. The fact you started this thread wanting a BMW means deep down inside you want a BMW....for probably $1K to $2K extra each year in running costs, I would rather have what I really want vs settling for a smart choice.......

[westopher]

Depending on what you end up with I'd bet the running costs of many of the more popular BMWs are offset by their better resale value than their counterparts.

[tofu1413]

They’re simply more engaging to drive in most cases.

Only a Porsche or exotic level stuff drives even more engaging ( don’t forget ITR / CTR!)

[underscore]

Depending on what you end up with I'd bet the running costs of many of the more popular BMWs are offset by their better resale value than their counterparts.

What do you consider a counterpart? I'd think both running costs and resale would be better than a Merc or Audi. Though I will say in my limited dealings with Merc parts they seem fairly reasonable, it's the labour that'll get you.

[acurael]

lexus is the safe rational left brain choice. The fact you started this thread wanting a BMW means deep down inside you want a BMW....for probably $1K to $2K extra each year in running costs, I would rather have what I really want vs settling for a smart choice.......

i have a bmw and want to get a lexus. Yes its fun to drive, but not knowing if you are gonna die at the side of the road at any given time is not living free in my mind. And its way more than 1 to 2 K for maintenance. at least once you are out of warranty. If you go in and only pay a grand for an issue you are happy. some years I have paid close to 7 grand for maintenance (and not thru the dealership). Its a nightmare to own a BMW bottom line. Never again I tell myself. Mercedes has been more reliable overall I would say but still alot of problems.

[Z3guy]

i have a bmw and want to get a lexus. Yes its fun to drive, but not knowing if you are gonna die at the side of the road at any given time is not living free in my mind. And its way more than 1 to 2 K for maintenance. at least once you are out of warranty. If you go in and only pay a grand for an issue you are happy. some years I have paid close to 7 grand for maintenance (and not thru the dealership). Its a nightmare to own a BMW bottom line. Never again I tell myself. Mercedes has been more reliable overall I would say but still alot of problems.

I have owned 9 BMWs, 7 being Mcars. Most of them I bought 2 years old with 10K kms to 25K kms. I normally keep them 3 years and put approx. 10k kms per year on them. The only one I have had issues with, was my E60 M5....had to replace clutch and flywheel under warranty. Otherwise, all I did was basic maintenance. i change all the fluids religiously and probably way sooner than required, but it is cheap insurance imo. Not sure what you were dealing with, but I am not sure why people just assume BMWs are more expensive to maintain. Most people who have issues normally can be traced back to skipping service intervals. Mercedes more reliable......now that is a hilarious comment!! Mercs and Audis are way worse!!!

[westopher]

I'd probably bet that Acurael owns an e90 335i?
Thats really the only piece of shit BMW has made in recent memory, or an x1/x3, or some serious e90 m3 bad luck.
Mercedes ownership is a far step above financially over modern BMWs, however in the last couple years I'd bet Audi has everyone beat in terms of reliability. Deiselgate pushed VAG to stop making garbage.
As far as the "may die on the side of the road," I did 6k in road trips last summer in a 20 year old BMW with no stress.

[acurael]

Again based on my experience Mercedes are more reliable. Although our glk has left us stranded also. You are correct e92 335 lol. Love and hate relationship.

Not a fan of the new bmws (except Ms). Look wise and the way they drive (3 and 4 series). I prefer the look and interior of the new benzes.

If you are changing them every few years then yes you won’t have many issues. Once four years hits I swear there is something in the computer that automatically self destructs. I like to keep my cars for a long time that’s probably part of the issue.

And westopher if ur calling my car a piece of shit there is only one way to settle this. Race wars. Although I have a feeling my car will explode.

[westopher]

Lol they aren’t actually pieces of shit in any sense other than reliability. It is a shame though bmw stepped outside their comfort zone of engineering with that car and didn’t get it right with the turbos/fuel delivery system unfortunately.

[Gerbs]

Are 335i's that bad if you budget like $1 to 2k a year on maintaining it?

[yray]

Are 335i's that bad if you budget like $1 to 2k a year on maintaining it?

:drunk:
double it

[smoothie.]

:drunk:
double it

monthly

[smoothie.]

:drunk:
double it

Lol they aren’t actually pieces of shit in any sense other than reliability. It is a shame though bmw stepped outside their comfort zone of engineering with that car and didn’t get it right with the turbos/fuel delivery system unfortunately.

it was the beta for how good they have the i6tt now

:)

[dorian]

all this bashing of 335i lol
injectors, fuel pumps etc... i still have index 1 injectors that came stock in 2007... 11 years later and running a ton of E85 they are still working great, stock fuel pump as well ... no issues
i paid peanuts for it with high k's put a couple grand into it for maintenance issues and it runs like a champ now.. 430whp / 480 torq ...ran 11.9... they are going down in price now and power to $$$ ratio is hard to beat

2007 E92 335i / VRSF 5" FMIC / VRSF Charge Pipe / VRSF DCI / TurboSmart Plumb Back DV / XHP / E40 Custom Tune by Wedge / Apex ARC8 / Michelin PS4S / 11.95 @ 116

[prudz]

all this bashing of 335i lol
injectors, fuel pumps etc... i still have index 1 injectors that came stock in 2007... 11 years later and running a ton of E85 they are still working great, stock fuel pump as well ... no issues
i paid peanuts for it with high k's put a couple grand into it for maintenance issues and it runs like a champ now.. 430whp / 480 torq ...ran 11.9... they are going down in price now and power to $$$ ratio is hard to beat

2007 E92 335i / VRSF 5" FMIC / VRSF Charge Pipe / VRSF DCI / TurboSmart Plumb Back DV / XHP / E40 Custom Tune by Wedge / Apex ARC8 / Michelin PS4S / 11.95 @ 116

I would agree. As long as you have a garage and are mechanically inclined these are great cars to own especially if you are going to toss some extra power at them. They handle the power great. The problem I think most have is they

a) don't have garage space
b) don't have a clue how to work on cars
c) are scared shitless because of threads like these

But for a car guy with tools and space they are great $ to power value

[dorian]

I would agree. As long as you have a garage and are mechanically inclined these are great cars to own especially if you are going to toss some extra power at them. They handle the power great. The problem I think most have is they

a) don't have garage space
b) don't have a clue how to work on cars
c) are scared shitless because of threads like these

But for a car guy with tools and space they are great $ to power value

and if you wanna make some serious power pick up a single turbo kit from docrace for 5k US and you are into 700+ whp without touching the internals

[chinesespareribs]

I owned a couple of BMW's and wasn't too happy with them at all:

New 2010 X3 every 2 years the 4x4 light always came on with no reason, the heated seats didn't work after 3 years of usage. got rid of the car in 2015.

New 2015 X5 the car squeaked since day one and the dealership could find what was the issue and took apart the car and put it back together and still couldn't figure it out. Got rid of this after a year of owning it.

Personally, I will not buy a BMW again.

[yray]

I owned a couple of BMW's and wasn't too happy with them at all:

New 2010 X3 every 2 years the 4x4 light always came on with no reason, the heated seats didn't work after 3 years of usage. got rid of the car in 2015.

New 2015 X5 the car squeaked since day one and the dealership could find what was the issue and took apart the car and put it back together and still couldn't figure it out. Got rid of this after a year of owning it.

Personally, I will not buy a BMW again.

https://i.imgur.com/o8UHM6d.jpg

warranty4lyfe

but a used one would likely have all the crap ironed out

[westopher]

But for a car guy with tools and space they are great $ to power value
Well they are now since they are 10-15k cars. They sure as fuck weren't for the first owner.

[belka]

Owned a 09 E92 M3 with a tune and full exhaust, no issues for three years just did reg maintenance. Also had a 08 E90 M3 for just under two years, again no issues other than reg maintenance. Sold first one to buy/finish house and sold second one because I didn’t like the 6spd. We now leased a ‘18 X1 for 4 years, maint is covered for the term so don’t care about reliability...too much. I just generally love the feel of their cars.

[StanleyR]

warranty4lyfe

but a used one would likely have all the crap ironed out

Yup, just in time for the next owner to begin rebuilding all the suspension bushings and drivetrain components BrokeBack

[77civic1200]

Lol they aren’t actually pieces of shit in any sense other than reliability.

Such a bmw owner thing to say.... =P