[smoothie.]

Seems pretty smart to have a car that sips on gas these days.

But could I live with it? Would it be the absolute most depressing car to drive?

A tank of gas lasts 3-4 weeks in my V6 Accord right now, would it even be worth it to finance a new Prius at ~$35?

Before you post the TG video of M3 vs Prius, I'll just say I want an M3 too, but not a need right now. Besides, the M3 I can afford won't have warranty, but the Prius would :badpokerface:

For those that have a Prius or have driven them for an extended time, how was it for you?

[bcedhk]

The new prius has a lot of new tech and creature comfort so I don't think is a bad car at all.

I had a prius as a work/commute car for about 3 years. mind you, it was the 2nd gen so it was really runned down inside. I wouldn't say is fun to drive, but i mean, it's an eco sedan after all.

you also have to consider your daily commute. TBH, i never get why my company bought the prius when the majority of the driving was on highways. It would make more sense if my commute was around vancouver or in a denser city where there is more stop and go traffic.

[Acura604]

...get one!... they have a handy feature that is included in the trunk for you to make some extra cash.

look underneath the battery compartment in the rear trunk for one of these:

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but in all seriousness.. .3-4 weeks on 1 tank in a V6? thats' quite good and i wouldn't bother.

[radioman]

You could turn it into 1 tank of gas every 6-8 weeks if you bicycled to work.

[smoothie.]

You could turn it into 1 tank a gas every 6-8 weeks if you bicycled to work.

but then I'd be one of those retards riding on a road made for cars.

[yray]

but then I'd be one of those retards riding on a road made for cars.
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[UnknownJinX]

I wouldn't bother.

The cost you spend on a new car is far more than the gas saving.

https://motorino.ca/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/e9c3970ab036de70892d86c6d221abfe/x/m/xml-blk.jpg

I thought about a motorcycle, but the thing that kills them is that they are basically useless in the winter rain.

[radioman]

I wouldn't bother.

The cost you spend on a new car is far more than the gas saving.



I thought about a motorcycle, but the thing that kills them is that they are basically useless in the winter rain.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/New-Windproof-and-Waterproof-Bike-Motorcycle_60673996940.html

In all seriousness unless its a complete downpoor a short ride on a motorcycle in the rain in nothing to be scared of.

The only reason I didn't do it more was because having a suit at work before hand was a tough thing to plan. If I worked a job where I can keep a pair of jeans in my backpack and have a water proof jacket with a shirt under I'd be good to go most days on the bike.

[yray]

I wouldn't bother.

The cost you spend on a new car is far more than the gas saving.



I thought about a motorcycle, but the thing that kills them is that they are basically useless in the winter rain.

thats an electric bike :lol

[UnknownJinX]

thats an electric bike [emoji38]So the same problem a gas bike has, plus the piss long charging time(I looked at those before on a website that only sells EVs). Dandy.

[Traum]

When a tank of gas is lasting you 3 - 4 weeks in your current car, I'd hardly think it is worthwhile for you to buy a new (to you or otherwise) car just to save gas.

If you are buying new, the depreciation alone will mean the math doesn't work out in your favour.

If you are buying used, and your current Accord is sufficiently reliable, it means you're jumping into a whole new world of unknown reliability with the new vehicle.

And all for what? So that you can fill up a tank every 6 - 8 weeks instead of 3 - 4? Assuming it takes ~$100 to fill your Accord's tank right now, and $70 to fill the Prius' tank (I'm just guessing / making these numbers up), you're saving $130 every 6 - 8 weeks. IMO, that difference is too small to justify the switch unless there are some other strong reasons why you want to get rid of the Accord.

I have a Prius V in the family, and while I rarely drive it, I have always hated the way it drives (which is also part of the reason why I rare drive it). Power delivery is inconsistent in the sense that the ECU has a completely different mind of its own in terms of how much power it is willing to give you. I can deal with low powered cars -- my DD is a 100hp POS. But I need the power delivery to follow my right foot's command, and with the Prius V, I never know how much power I'll get until it actually happens.

I think the 4th gen Priuses are supposed to drive a bit nicer than the 3rd gen and older. But the 3rd gen cars handles like an absolute POS.

[donjalapeno]

Get a 2013 Leaf S and use it for everyday errands and drive the accord for longer drives and pleasure.

[bcrdukes]

You can get a better idea if you could live with one by trying out an Evo car.

I use it quite regularly and came to enjoy the Prius. Environmental left-wing socialist Vancouver hipster aside, it's a pretty good car....if you stay in the city.

[Ikkaku]

3-4 weeks on a v6? do you circle around your block and then go back home or something?

[Presto]

I've had my Prius for 13 years, so far. It has been super reliable. My one, major repair was new battery installation, last year. Other than that, it's just been the standard maintenance and consumables.

It's not fast, but it'll still quicker than most 4-banger econoboxes. There are suspension and chassis mods to make the handling better, too. I've owned some cars that were fun to drive, like an RX-7 and Sentra Spec-V, but the Prius is probably my overall favorite. The old man in me loves the low-maintenance, and fuel consumption. However, the guy that wants to do a bit of canyon carving can still get some good fun out of a modded Prius.

[smoothie.]

3-4 weeks on a v6? do you circle around your block and then go back home or something?

My commute one way to work is less than 3KM. I drive it a lot on the weekend which is why it doesn't last longer.

Honestly the highest gas use is going to Blaine to fill up :bowrofl:

[UnknownJinX]

Then there is the elephant in the room: insurance.

Forget about getting a Prius(and for that matter, any new/used hybrid/EV) as a second car. Just insurance alone will negate any possible fuel saving.

Now, if you trade in the Accord, there is still the depreciation you have to worry about. At best, I'd imagine you break even down the road.

Basically, it's the same thing as driving for Uber: attractive on the surface for folks who can't do the math, but if you do some math, you quickly figure out how silly it is.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/New-Windproof-and-Waterproof-Bike-Motorcycle_60673996940.html

In all seriousness unless its a complete downpoor a short ride on a motorcycle in the rain in nothing to be scared of.

The only reason I didn't do it more was because having a suit at work before hand was a tough thing to plan. If I worked a job where I can keep a pair of jeans in my backpack and have a water proof jacket with a shirt under I'd be good to go most days on the bike.

YMMV. I personally absolutely hate being in the rain and cannot tolerate riding even a bicycle in the rain.

And yeah, all the safety gears. The helmet would ruin my hair...

I have a Prius V in the family, and while I rarely drive it, I have always hated the way it drives (which is also part of the reason why I rare drive it). Power delivery is inconsistent in the sense that the ECU has a completely different mind of its own in terms of how much power it is willing to give you. I can deal with low powered cars -- my DD is a 100hp POS. But I need the power delivery to follow my right foot's command, and with the Prius V, I never know how much power I'll get until it actually happens.

One thing I wish to see more is a hybrid with a manual trans. It's been done before - Honda Insight 1st Gen and CR-Z were both offered with a manual trans option. Absolute control over how you want to use your power with a stick shift and the fun, plus the amazing gas mileage they offer.

I can only hope that the manual trans is an option for the supposedly upcoming hybrid Mustang... Not holding my breath though.

[Traum]

One thing I wish to see more is a hybrid with a manual trans. It's been done before - Honda Insight 1st Gen and CR-Z were both offered with a manual trans option. Absolute control over how you want to use your power with a stick shift and the fun, plus the amazing gas mileage they offer.

I can only hope that the manual trans is an option for the supposedly upcoming hybrid Mustang... Not holding my breath though.
In my experience, the problem with the Prius V's power delivery problem is the inconsistency. The ECU decides what kind of power (electric or ICE) and how much of it you get, and that decision doesn't seem to be primarily driven based on my throttle application. Sometimes it only gives me electric power; sometimes it only gives me ICE power; sometimes it gives me both. Perhaps it is because of me not driving the car often enough to know its behaviour, but I am not getting any sense of consistency in terms of the power levels that I can expect. Esp when I am going uphill, and I need some power -- I mash my foot down, but the electric motors may or may not kick in to help.
:yuno:

[Presto]

That's not the behavior I'm used to on my 2nd Gen Prius. Mashing the pedal gives me electric and ICE at max power. It's consistent except when the battery gets too hot. Then, it's 99% ICE and a bit of electric.

I want to try driving a newer Prius, and see what the differences I notice.

[fliptuner]

Yes. Buy a $35k car cause $20/wk in fuel is too damn high.

[european]

I say yes! Do it! If you can buy a fully electric vehicle I'd go that route instead.

[twitchyzero]

you live a mile or so from work and want a new, more fuel efficient car?
I wonder if it's even hitting operating temperature for most of the year?
does the Accord goes through a battery every year or two?

[CharlesInCharge]

Toyota Estima hybrid, this way you can add a fridge and burner to save costs in lunch meals at work.

[JDMDreams]

I toyed around with the idea of a cheap used electric/hybrid car for daily. Like a used prius or leaf as I drive 95% city and my 65l premium fuel only lasts about a week and a half.

[toyota86]

I considered getting something more fuel efficient. The more I looked into hybrids the less I like them. Batteries crap out over time, everything that was within my target price was 10 years old with over 100k on the clock. So that wasn't viable. Nothing was stick shift aside from the cr-z or the US only civic hybrid. But both of these aren't actually that great for fuel economy. I like my cars spartan. The less infotainment and weird features the better. My basic requirements were ac/heat, pw, ps, pdl, abs, manual. So, I started looking at civic VX and crx hf from way back. Unfortunately, there was nothing available on the market that was decent. Then I looked at kei cars. There are lots to choose from. cappuccino, beat for sporty driving, wagon r, daihatsu move for box van utility. They seem to fit my requirement until I drove some. They are pathetically slow and tin can. What I ultimately decided on was a diesel land cruiser prado. 9-10ish liter per 100km, seats 8, spacious interior. 9l/100km might not be that good. But for me, it made sense. My other cars are all 16L/100km and worse. And they all need premium.

[fliptuner]

They'll only get that kind of mileage once they're fully warmed up.

[turbomelon]

Personally when I moved down to the Bay Area I was in the same quandary. But after looking at the Prius I realized that I could get a full sized sedan that has only slightly worse fuel mileage in the grand scheme of things. I ended up selling my e90 M3 and got into a used Camry Hybrid.

Granted there are days where I miss the feeling of driving a real sports sedan but the Camry Hybrid in my opinion is the perfect point A to B car. It's comfortable, roomy, great mileage super cheap maintenance and I get over 500miles a tank.

Working out of Redmond these days I can drive all week and go across the border and back on one tank and its got a decent amount of poke with the 148hp 4cyl and 113hp electric motors.

Of course it's a bit easier for me to cope with having a daily driver as a hybrid when admittedly I still have a c63 to tool around in on weekends .

[danned]

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[!Aznboi128]

Knowing where you live... why not skytrain? I did that when I was working at Metro. And then enjoy the weekend with the s2k.
But in any case getting a new car for work is never worth it. Besides 7thgen coupe is the best car in the world.

[smoothie.]

Knowing where you live... why not skytrain? I did that when I was working at Metro. And then enjoy the weekend with the s2k.
But in any case getting a new car for work is never worth it. Besides 7thgen coupe is the best car in the world.

Transit to work is quite literally, retarded.

The bus is early, I miss it. The bus is late, I'm late. It smells when its hot, it smells when its cold. Something happens with the tracks, I go nowhere. I only took it when I worked downtown because I couldn't afford to park there. If I could've, I would've driven.

I've got to pay insurance for the daily anyway, its a no brainer to not have to pay for a monthly transit pass. Work parking is still cheaper.

I guess I could've elaborated more into why I thought of getting a prius, but I wanted to see where RS would take this thread.

My daily is still reliable, just old and missing creature comforts of newer cars. Add that to how ADD I am about wanting another car for the better part of the last year is why I'm posting now. I could use more cargo space, more doors, more horsepower, better fuel efficiency, decent payments - the hard part has been a balance I could actually live with.

I feel like this period of new cars is finally something worth getting, new or close to it.

At least the prius could save me some money while depreciating a little slower for a couple years compared to any other new car until I have more cash to throw at a car, right?

[smoothie.]

you live a mile or so from work and want a new, more fuel efficient car?
I wonder if it's even hitting operating temperature for most of the year?
does the Accord goes through a battery every year or two?

Keyword is want. Not many people these days wish their car consumed more fuel.

Its not a diesel transporter, the car warms up within a few minutes. The battery is on it's 6th year and starts like new.:chairdance:

[asian_XL]

I would consider buying a Korean Hybrid if gas money is an issue.

[fliptuner]

Your current car is paid off, cheap on fuel, relatively reliable and maintenance/repairs are cheap. Who cares what your daily is? It's a tool.

Instead of getting something new and cheap(er) on fuel, save the payments and added cost of insurance and put it towards vacation/mortgage/toys.

Unless you decide to rent it out at night or start your own soup kitchen - then it'd totally make sense.
#dirtymike #fuckshack

[Badhobz]

Id just get a corolla. It's almost 10g cheaper than the Prius. Plus the newer ones have all the adaptive cruise control and Lane keep assist standard even on the base model.

[punkwax]

I can’t answer your question until you answer mine.. Do you like Little River Band? You’ll need 6 discs of LRB loaded up in there.

[68style]

This question is rhetorical, no one can give you a practical answer because nobody in their right mind can justify with any sort of logic dropping the $ for a new car + freight + taxes to... uh... "save" $60 a month... so what it comes down to is you deciding for yourself if bluetooth or whatever other tech shit you want is worth spending a tonne of money for to enjoy for 6km a day... and nobody here can help you with that decision. You're clearly bored, get a hobby instead!

/thread

[IMASA]

Seems like you want a new car and you want everyone on RS to support your decision. The reason we're not is because you're using improved fuel economy as your main reasoning.

You have an old car that has good fuel economy and you're pitching us the idea to get a newer car because it has slightly better fuel economy. Plus your commute seems so short (~3 km one way) that there doesn't seem to be any major gains in fuel economy. Car won't be warmed up yet, ECU still running open loop = shitty gas mileage)

Honestly, if I had a 3km commute to work, I'd bike/walk on nice days and drive on shitty days. I can't imagine a 3km bus ride being so bad. My commute is 20km, from Richmond to Vancouver. I usually drive but have taken transit when I had mechanical issues with the car. Driving takes me 25mins in the morning and almost an hour coming home, while 1hr 15mins to 1hr 45mins by bus/Canada line. Transit takes 3+ X longer but can be more relaxing.

I recently bought a new Mazda3 as a 2nd car to use as my daily. Still on the first tank of gas, the Mazda3 averages ~8.0L/100km on 87 while my speed3 does about 13.xL/100km on 94. There's fuel savings there, but that wasn't my primary reasoning for wanting a new car. Like you, it was for the creature comforts of the new car. My speed3 has been too modified and is now too harsh for my current lifestyle, but I still want to keep it for driving enjoyment.

So if you want a new car, get a new car. Don't limit yourself to a Prius unless it's a car that you really want, as the cash savings from fuel costs may not that be significant compared to your existing car.

[yray]

smoothie needs more space to transport mo' hoes

[freakshow]

Your commute is 3km. I would literally do the opposite of what you said. Buy an e90/2 M3, enjoy the car with minimal depreciation and only a bit more in gas.

When your commute switches to being further, go back to a econobox, or by that time, model 3s should be cheaper and more plentiful.

[smoothie.]

Seems like you want a new car and you want everyone on RS to support your decision. The reason we're not is because you're using improved fuel economy as your main reasoning.

You have an old car that has good fuel economy and you're pitching us the idea to get a newer car because it has slightly better fuel economy. Plus your commute seems so short (~3 km one way) that there doesn't seem to be any major gains in fuel economy. Car won't be warmed up yet, ECU still running open loop = shitty gas mileage)

Honestly, if I had a 3km commute to work, I'd bike/walk on nice days and drive on shitty days. I can't imagine a 3km bus ride being so bad. My commute is 20km, from Richmond to Vancouver. I usually drive but have taken transit when I had mechanical issues with the car. Driving takes me 25mins in the morning and almost an hour coming home, while 1hr 15mins to 1hr 45mins by bus/Canada line. Transit takes 3+ X longer but can be more relaxing.

I recently bought a new Mazda3 as a 2nd car to use as my daily. Still on the first tank of gas, the Mazda3 averages ~8.0L/100km on 87 while my speed3 does about 13.xL/100km on 94. There's fuel savings there, but that wasn't my primary reasoning for wanting a new car. Like you, it was for the creature comforts of the new car. My speed3 has been too modified and is now too harsh for my current lifestyle, but I still want to keep it for driving enjoyment.

So if you want a new car, get a new car. Don't limit yourself to a Prius unless it's a car that you really want, as the cash savings from fuel costs may not that be significant compared to your existing car.

You're right! I'm just craving something new. :)

Your commute is 3km. I would literally do the opposite of what you said. Buy an e90/2 M3, enjoy the car with minimal depreciation and only a bit more in gas.

When your commute switches to being further, go back to a econobox, or by that time, model 3s should be cheaper and more plentiful.

I'm scared of used BMW ownership doe.

[white rocket]

My wife got a loaded 2012 Prius brand new and we kept it for 4 years, only selling because we needed a van for our kids. We loved it. Torque was fun, handling was fine, ride was comfy, gas was like $50 month, creature comforts were on point, heated seats were butt burning, stereo was kick-ass(JBL), etc. I had a weekend car as well so that made having it that much more practical. I'd buy one again for sure. The maintenance over the 4 year period, using the Toyota dealership and following maintenance to the letter, was like $860 total. When we sold the brakes and tires were still like 60% life left even with 80,000kms on it. Absolutely the easiest vehicle to own.

I'm not sure about the new gen though. They look like dog shit compared to the previous gen.

[!Aznboi128]

Transit to work is quite literally, retarded.

The bus is early, I miss it. The bus is late, I'm late. It smells when its hot, it smells when its cold. Something happens with the tracks, I go nowhere. I only took it when I worked downtown because I couldn't afford to park there. If I could've, I would've driven.

I've got to pay insurance for the daily anyway, its a no brainer to not have to pay for a monthly transit pass. Work parking is still cheaper.

I guess I could've elaborated more into why I thought of getting a prius, but I wanted to see where RS would take this thread.

My daily is still reliable, just old and missing creature comforts of newer cars. Add that to how ADD I am about wanting another car for the better part of the last year is why I'm posting now. I could use more cargo space, more doors, more horsepower, better fuel efficiency, decent payments - the hard part has been a balance I could actually live with.

I feel like this period of new cars is finally something worth getting, new or close to it.

At least the prius could save me some money while depreciating a little slower for a couple years compared to any other new car until I have more cash to throw at a car, right?
That makes sense.

Prius at 27k is at a decent price point. the Prime at 5k more before the 2.5k in government discount. Best yet park it next door and you can charge it there haha

[ScizzMoney]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slCt05_iiGQ

[tomatogunk]

Why not a used Prius, used Lexus CT200H, or any other used hybrid in the Toyota/Lexus lineup? The CT is essentially a Prius on the inside with a bit more premium interior, albeit a lot smaller. Certified pre-owned vehicles also get extended warranty on the battery if I'm not mistaken

[AzNightmare]

Depends on how you drive... Have you commuted with a Prius on a regular basis?
It's so boring.... Now it might work for you, but I wouldn't be able to do it.

I find driving so fun, I get up in the morning happy knowing I get to drive to work.

[coneZONE]

Depends on how you drive... Have you commuted with a Prius on a regular basis?
It's so boring.... Now it might work for you, but I wouldn't be able to do it.

I find driving so fun, I get up in the morning happy knowing I get to drive to work.

i love driving as well... but traffic is so fucked now that for the commute to and from work i wouldn't mind driving something "boring". Might as well save gas where i can!

[J-Chow]

I had the same temptations as you smoothie. We have 2 vehicles, the Sienna and the Mustang. The family van, and the mid-life crisis car for me. Our commutes are limited to Vancouver, Burnaby, and Richmond. Mostly Richmond.

The Sienna sucks on gas, 480km on a 79L tank. $250/month
The Mustang is mediocre, 430km on a 58L tank (87oct), only driven to work at airport. $140/month

I can't let the van go, since we have 2 kids, and we drive grandparents along with us.
The Mustang I can, but I love driving it. I seriously was contemplating a VW E-Golf, LEAF or Hybrid.

I'm leaning more towards fully electric cars, but I don't know how reliable they are, and how long will the battery last on the long run.

But in the end, I need the approval from the wife, and so far, it's NOPE! :okay:

[Great68]

This is the only Prius I think that I could bear to drive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzzkbc3IrQ8

[TypeRNammer]

The Sienna sucks on gas, 480km on a 79L tank. $250/month


Damn that's some pretty savage gas mileage.

I'm getting about 500km on a 70 litre fill up, sometimes 550km.

[Ferra]

A tank of gas lasts 3-4 weeks in my V6 Accord right now, would it even be worth it to finance a new Prius at ~$35?

Why even get a prius with that mileage you are driving!??

You can probably get a GTI for about the same price or less than a prius. (I am leasing a base model at $317+tax $0 down)

It'd be a lot more fun to drive and probably cost $25/month more in gas.
You might even end up paying more on the prius because of the higher monthly payment

[CorneringArtist]

When we sold the brakes and tires were still like 60% life left even with 80,000kms on it. Absolutely the easiest vehicle to own.



Magic of regenerative braking. I've seen 175+ on the original pads and rotors, as long as the odd brake service is done.

[jjson]

Why even get a prius with that mileage you are driving!??

You can probably get a GTI for about the same price or less than a prius. (I am leasing a base model at $317+tax $0 down)

It'd be a lot more fun to drive and probably cost $25/month more in gas.
You might even end up paying more on the prius because of the higher monthly payment

MK7 gti owner reporting here. Mileage is quite good for mix highway city driving. Averaged about 7.7L/100km going from Richmond to Burnaby yesterday. Car takes premium gas though

[J-Chow]

MK7 gti owner reporting here. Mileage is quite good for mix highway city driving. Averaged about 7.7L/100km going from Richmond to Burnaby yesterday. Car takes premium gas though

I read online, that the 2018 GTI, can take 87 Oct with reduced HP and 91Oct for the 220 rated HP.

[Ferra]

MK7 gti owner reporting here. Mileage is quite good for mix highway city driving. Averaged about 7.7L/100km going from Richmond to Burnaby yesterday. Car takes premium gas though
I am averaging 7.4L/100km with a mix of 40/60 mix of city & hwy.
Premium gas? :fuckthatshit:
I've been filling with regular for 50K km. (Gas cap say min 87, "recommends" 91. I didn't take its recommendation)

I tried 91 few times. Didn't feel any difference. I thought i got slightly less gas mileage too

[quasi]

I had the same temptations as you smoothie. We have 2 vehicles, the Sienna and the Mustang. The family van, and the mid-life crisis car for me. Our commutes are limited to Vancouver, Burnaby, and Richmond. Mostly Richmond.

The Sienna sucks on gas, 480km on a 79L tank. $250/month
The Mustang is mediocre, 430km on a 58L tank (87oct), only driven to work at airport. $140/month

I can't let the van go, since we have 2 kids, and we drive grandparents along with us.
The Mustang I can, but I love driving it. I seriously was contemplating a VW E-Golf, LEAF or Hybrid.

I'm leaning more towards fully electric cars, but I don't know how reliable they are, and how long will the battery last on the long run.

But in the end, I need the approval from the wife, and so far, it's NOPE! :okay:

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[dark0821]

Haha, I was also considering the prius for the fuel economy. Because I thought I was saving money, but honestly, the depreciation, insurance will negate that pretty quickly. Unless I drove to work for the next 10 years... then maybe I will get even....?

So I ended up getting a used $800 electric bike on craigslist. The charge time is 5 hours, and I just charge it at work lol, cheap Asian in me kicked in yo. The bike has 40KM of pure electric range if I don't pedal at all.

To give context, I live near Burnaby City Hall and work near Market Crossing. It takes me about 20min to get to work on bike. If I were to drive, it takes 10min to get to work, but coming back in rush hour is actually like 25min. I have been consistently getting home earlier using the bike tbh.

Best of luck man, whichever route you take.

[J-Chow]

Bringing back an old thread,

but out of curiosity, does anyone here drive a newer 2018 Camry and/or Accord Hybrid?
and possibly a 2017/2018 Volkswagen GTI?

I'm still thinking of trading in the Mustang for something more fuel efficient (don't know about the VW GTI, but if it can average over 550km I'll be plenty happy), and with more space for both kids and wife to sit in, rather than taking out the minivan on my days off.

If you have, would you mind sharing your Pros and Cons?

Thanks.

[hk20000]

What about a full electric car in this general automotive atmosphere? Ionic / Kona Electric is cheap enough now to get as a viable commuter option?

[J-Chow]

What about a full electric car in this general automotive atmosphere? Ionic / Kona Electric is cheap enough now to get as a viable commuter option?

Not a firm believer of electric vehicles at the time being. I'd always have that feeling in the back of my head, thinking how much do I have to charge and how much KM I can travel

[Liquid_o2]

My dad was looking at hybrid cars this spring. I went on some test drives with him. A lot of the hybrid cars are really nice, lots of features, good reliability, and excellent on gas... like 4 or 5L/100km, but man, are they soooo boring to drive and the acceleration is weak AFK.

[Jmac]

Bringing back an old thread,

but out of curiosity, does anyone here drive a newer 2018 Camry and/or Accord Hybrid?
and possibly a 2017/2018 Volkswagen GTI?

I'm still thinking of trading in the Mustang for something more fuel efficient (don't know about the VW GTI, but if it can average over 550km I'll be plenty happy), and with more space for both kids and wife to sit in, rather than taking out the minivan on my days off.

If you have, would you mind sharing your Pros and Cons?

Thanks.
What’s wrong with the Mustang?

[J-Chow]

What’s wrong with the Mustang?

Actually Nothing. It was a mid life crisis move on my end :fullofwin:

I'm thinking if I should bite the bullet, trade in the mustang, get something a

little bit more practical and more fuel efficient, and not have to utilize my

Sienna for a family of 4, unless I have to drive the in laws / grandparents.

I'm still hesitant because I like the styling / performance of the mustang. The thing is, will I regret buying a Hybrid car, losing out on the fun factors, but save a little money on fuel and have easier access to the rear seats.

Typically when I think of Hybrid, I think of "boring". I test drove the Hyundai IONIQ hybrid, and I hated it.

So, I might go take a look at VW GTI, but I'd still like to take the camry and accord hybrid for a spin.

[Koflach]

The Toyota Prius is the "Socks and Sandals" of the car world. Just don't do it.

[TypeRNammer]

How about a Honda Insight? It's the more conventional looking car verses the Prius

[Jmac]

Actually Nothing. It was a mid life crisis move on my end :fullofwin:

I'm thinking if I should bite the bullet, trade in the mustang, get something a

little bit more practical and more fuel efficient, and not have to utilize my

Sienna for a family of 4, unless I have to drive the in laws / grandparents.

I'm still hesitant because I like the styling / performance of the mustang. The thing is, will I regret buying a Hybrid car, losing out on the fun factors, but save a little money on fuel and have easier access to the rear seats.

Typically when I think of Hybrid, I think of "boring". I test drove the Hyundai IONIQ hybrid, and I hated it.

So, I might go take a look at VW GTI, but I'd still like to take the camry and accord hybrid for a spin.
I tested the Accord Sport 2.0 and I quite liked it. It gets pretty decent fuel economy, too

[DragonChi]

How about a Honda Insight? It's the more conventional looking car verses the Priushttps://cdn.drivemag.net/media/default/0001/79/2019-honda-insight-hybrid-front-2994-default-large.jpeg

[Koflach]

https://cdn.drivemag.net/media/default/0001/79/2019-honda-insight-hybrid-front-2994-default-large.jpeg

friends don't let friends drive the honda accord crosstour

[DragonChi]

That's a 2019 insight?

[Jmac]

That's a 2019 insight?
Yes

[Koflach]

ugh, please don't encourage Honda to make more cars like this and the crosstour.

[swfk]

I picked up a Prius Prime last week to replace my Audi S3 daily. It is a Prius Prime Upgrade with Technology.

It's been 7 days so far, driven 650km. I commute about 110km a day from Vancouver to Langley for work. I have 3/4 tank left still. I plug in to charge whenever I can. Often at work I don't get to charge however at home I just plug into the wall plug, takes 5.5h.

My Prime has head up display, adaptive cruise, emergency braking, lane keep assist, heated steering wheel, auto high beam. Wonderful to daily. It's actually decently quick on EV mode, 60km range on pure EV.

[Badhobz]

I picked up a Prius Prime last week to replace my Audi S3 daily. It is a Prius Prime Upgrade with Technology.

It's been 7 days so far, driven 650km. I commute about 110km a day from Vancouver to Langley for work. I have 3/4 tank left still. I plug in to charge whenever I can. Often at work I don't get to charge however at home I just plug into the wall plug, takes 5.5h.

My Prime has head up display, adaptive cruise, emergency braking, lane keep assist, heated steering wheel, auto high beam. Wonderful to daily. It's actually decently quick on EV mode, 60km range on pure EV.

110 a day is nuts ! :ahwow:

[Koflach]

110 a day is nuts ! :ahwow:

it's not that bad. I drive about 90-150km a day for work and that's just driving around the fraser valley.

[Badhobz]

Woah. I bitch about my 40 min Richmond to Canada place. What is that like 20k ?! I better shut the fuck up now.

[Jmac]

110 a day is nuts ! :ahwow:
That's approximately my commute (Duncan to Nanaimo). SO works in the opposite direction, so moving isn't really an option.

It's about 45 minutes in the morning, 50 minutes in the afternoon.

[J-Chow]

So while I dropped off the Stang for warranty work, I went over to Toyota / Honda to check out some of their vehicles.

Looked at the Camry, and it's a nice car, but the rear headroom is a bit tight. I'm 5'9 and my hair is just brushing against the ceiling.

The Rav4 was surprisingly roomy for what it is. Really liking it.

Test drove the new Honda Insight. For what it is, it's actually pretty nice, just lacking in the drivetrain. It's got a E-CVT, and when you try to ring out the engine, it makes this weird humming engine noise (not pleasant).

With a full load of passengers, you'll need to time your merging and passing for sure.

Also test drove the Honda Accord 1.5 model (no hybrid avail), and I'm really digging it. The rear seats have CRAZY amount of legroom and headroom, and that's with my driving position already in set.

The 1.5 turbo engine is also quite peppy, for 192 hp and torque.

[!Aznboi128]

I actually really like the new Insight, based on the Civic it has a more grown up look to it which I'm a fan off. I won't get to drive them till the end of the year so I'll have to see how it feels but the Accord I agree. The 1.5 is all you really need in a car, the 2.0 isn't MUCH more but gives you a real nice kick which is always welcomed.

It's just not everyone likes the styling on them.... personally I don't find it that bad.

[J-Chow]

I actually really like the new Insight, based on the Civic it has a more grown up look to it which I'm a fan off. I won't get to drive them till the end of the year so I'll have to see how it feels but the Accord I agree. The 1.5 is all you really need in a car, the 2.0 isn't MUCH more but gives you a real nice kick which is always welcomed.

It's just not everyone likes the styling on them.... personally I don't find it that bad.

Now the real question is, do I trade in the mustang for the accord? :pokerface:

[!Aznboi128]

Now the real question is, do I trade in the mustang for the accord? :pokerface:
that 2.0T accord is surprisingly quick.... so much so you may not even miss the Mustang.

tho you might miss the crowds :fullofwin:

[Jmac]

that 2.0T accord is surprisingly quick.... so much so you may not even miss the Mustang.

tho you might miss the crowds :fullofwin:
https://isteam.wsimg.com/neb/obj/NjhDNENDQUQ5MDM0NkUxNDZDMDc6NGMxODI2YjI3ZjJiNjAxNm I4ZGQyNjRjNDgxZWYwYWU6Ojo6OjA=/:/rs=w:600,h:600

[J-Chow]

So with the ever increasing gas prices, I'm almost about to pull the trigger on a hybrid vehicle.

I just test drove the 2020 Toyota Corolla Hybrid, and it's a decent drive. The engine uses the same engine as the current Prius, and starts at $24k with the option of adding leather and a few other features for $2k

The Stang will be traded, pending what numbers I get for it.

I'll probably regret it, but I'll gladly sacrifice performance / handling for fuel efficiency and practicality ( although I already have a Toyota Sienna, but that thing's worse on gas than the stang :lol )

What kind of mileage do you think these cars yield on a full tank of gas ?
Does anyone drive a Prius and can chime in?

It'll be mostly 90% city driving, and I'm hoping for 800km or more. (and I understand it depends on my driving style, but lets just say, regular driving (no lead foot)

[Suprarz666]

have you considered a prius prime, there are a lot of incentives right now for it.

[J-Chow]

have you considered a prius prime, there are a lot of incentives right now for it.

I did, but I needed at least 5 seats. The current gen is a 4 seater, but was told the next gen would be 5 seats.

Something to consider. It would be $10,000 incentives after taxes.

[Badhobz]

i think im going back to corolla after this VW lease is up. Especially the rolla hybrid.

[CorneringArtist]

So with the ever increasing gas prices, I'm almost about to pull the trigger on a hybrid vehicle.

I just test drove the 2020 Toyota Corolla Hybrid, and it's a decent drive. The engine uses the same engine as the current Prius, and starts at $24k with the option of adding leather and a few other features for $2k

The Stang will be traded, pending what numbers I get for it.

I'll probably regret it, but I'll gladly sacrifice performance / handling for fuel efficiency and practicality ( although I already have a Toyota Sienna, but that thing's worse on gas than the stang :lol )

What kind of mileage do you think these cars yield on a full tank of gas ?
Does anyone drive a Prius and can chime in?

It'll be mostly 90% city driving, and I'm hoping for 800km or more. (and I understand it depends on my driving style, but lets just say, regular driving (no lead foot)

They've rated the Corolla Hybrid at 4.4L/100km, and I'm not surprised about the handling given that it's the same platform as the Corolla Hatchback. I've heard of people pushing 1000km highway in the new Camry Hybrid, so 800 city in the smaller Corolla does seem a bit realistic.

[J-Chow]

I did, but I needed at least 5 seats. The current gen is a 4 seater, but was told the next gen would be 5 seats.

Something to consider. It would be $10,000 incentives after taxes.

Correction, it's not $10,000 incentives, it's less because Prius prime is PHEV, not fully electric.

[Traum]

I did, but I needed at least 5 seats. The current gen is a 4 seater, but was told the next gen would be 5 seats.

Something to consider. It would be $10,000 incentives after taxes.
The same gen car, but 2020 model year, will be receiving a proper 3 passenger rear seat, thus making the car a proper 5 seater. I have no idea why Toyota ever thought the 4-seater arrangement would have been good for the Prius Prime. It should never have been done. Should have been a 5 seater like the non-plug-in hybrids.

The federal + provincial incentives are only $2.5k + $2.5k on most plug-in hybrids, and that's how the Prius Prime is. I was considering to trade the gas guzzler in for a Prius Prime, but the practically non-existent trunk became the show stopper. I need it deeper than 8" or whatever ridiculous depth it was. (Gosh that sounds so wrong when you take it out of context...)

[whitev70r]

I always think:

1. How much gas per year for my present car? How much gas per year for new/hybrid/electric/diesel or whatever car?
2. How much initial cost to change cars?
3. How many years will it take for me to break even or actually save money?

Let's say the difference in gas is $2000 per year and it cost me $20K to change cars. So it will take me 10 years to break even to change cars. Hmmmmm ... is it worth it? Almost always, the answer is to keep your present car.

Oh and don't forget to factor in the cost of putting a 240V charger in your garage.

[Badhobz]

the price disparity for the rolla hybrid will take about 4 years to make back. However, if your goal is to keep it after 4 years, then you will start saving money.

[68style]

I see and hear so many of these conversations nowadays and it always leaves me feeling like the only “problem” everyone is solving is their own boredom... you want to save money? Buy a used car. Simple. There are so many options out there, buying a new car to save gas money is logically the most unsound thing anyone could possibly do.

Just say it like it actually is — you like nice new things and are willing to pay extra for them except when it comes to gas money for some strange reason. You’re not trying to save money at all when you come to the conclusion that what you need to do is buy a brand new car.

[Gh0stRider]

Everyday i see EV/PHEV doing laps around my work trying to charge their vehicle lol


I even watched some guy pull the charger from one vehicle and put in theirs LOL

[fliptuner]

Latest contract has certain standards for the vehicle you drive. I bought the cheapest thing I could find, that's reasonably reliable and fit the company's requirements. No $500/mo lease payments for me, thanks.

[GS8]

I see and hear so many of these conversations nowadays and it always leaves me feeling like the only “problem” everyone is solving is their own boredom... you want to save money? Buy a used car. Simple. There are so many options out there, buying a new car to save gas money is logically the most unsound thing anyone could possibly do.

Just say it like it actually is — you like nice new things and are willing to pay extra for them except when it comes to gas money for some strange reason. You’re not trying to save money at all when you come to the conclusion that what you need to do is buy a brand new car.

https://i.imgur.com/hG0V4yVg.jpg

[J-Chow]

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[Alpine]

Everyday i see EV/PHEV doing laps around my work trying to charge their vehicle lol


I even watched some guy pull the charger from one vehicle and put in theirs LOL

This is so true. My office complex has 2 chargers between 5+ EVs and there are always ppl bitching and complaining about others using the chargers for the entire day. Almost everytime im at a mall or any other public location all of the chargers are taken. Charging infrastructure is already behind demand and its only going to get worse. Only a matter of time before charging stations are metered or rates are increased.

[Traum]

Just as there is golf etiquette, there is EV charging etiquette. Two of the most important ones are:

1) Leave when you're done charging
2) Don't always aim for 100% charge

In fact with rule #2, some claim people should really unplug at 80% unless there is another charger available.

But how many EV owners actually know and follow these rules? I bet less than 50% of them do. Or maybe to know, but they don't give a shxt.

[J-Chow]

Well, I finally did it.

I pulled the trigger, traded in the mustang, and picked up a 2020 Toyota Corolla hybrid.

Couldn't be happier, especially with the fuel mileage. Picked up the vehicle yesterday with full tank of gas, and the distance to empty gauge literally read 1100 km.

[twitchyzero]

why they gotta keep hybrid/PHEV to the dullest-looking model? it's not 2002 anymore

https://images.autotrader.com/scaler/620/420/cms/images/cars/toyota/prius-prime/2018/prisudwight/271181.jpg

https://st.motortrend.ca/uploads/sites/5/2018/11/2020-Toyota-Corolla-Hybrid-rear-side-view-1.jpg

:fuckthatshit:

rav4 is a decent start but why not bring it to the corolla hatch, tacoma etc.

and i know they build 'em just fine...LC500h

[J-Chow]

why they gotta keep hybrid/PHEV to the dullest-looking model? it's not 2002 anymore

https://images.autotrader.com/scaler/620/420/cms/images/cars/toyota/prius-prime/2018/prisudwight/271181.jpg

https://st.motortrend.ca/uploads/sites/5/2018/11/2020-Toyota-Corolla-Hybrid-rear-side-view-1.jpg

:fuckthatshit:

rav4 is a decent start but why not bring it to the corolla hatch, tacoma etc.

and i know they build 'em just fine...LC500h

Tell me about it. :lol

The styling is very meh. Well the Prius is a hit or miss, the front I like, the rear end is another story.

If Honda could build Toyota's exterior, and Mazda could build the interior, then we're talking.

[Teriyaki]

Tell me about it. :lol

The styling is very meh. Well the Prius is a hit or miss, the front I like, the rear end is another story.

If Honda could build Toyota's exterior, and Mazda could build the interior, then we're talking.

Isn't the Yaris basically a Mazda 2 now, so its kinda sorta a Mazda now.

[Akinari]

why they gotta keep hybrid/PHEV to the dullest-looking model? it's not 2002 anymore

https://images.autotrader.com/scaler/620/420/cms/images/cars/toyota/prius-prime/2018/prisudwight/271181.jpg

https://st.motortrend.ca/uploads/sites/5/2018/11/2020-Toyota-Corolla-Hybrid-rear-side-view-1.jpg

:fuckthatshit:

rav4 is a decent start but why not bring it to the corolla hatch, tacoma etc.

and i know they build 'em just fine...LC500h
They do, just not in North America. Literally almost every model in Toyota’s (and a lot of other manufacturers) lineup in Japan has a hybrid trim, from the Vitz to the Alphard.

[twitchyzero]

They do, just not in North America. Literally almost every model in Toyota’s (and a lot of other manufacturers) lineup in Japan has a hybrid trim, from the Vitz to the Alphard.

doesn't every lexus besides the land cruiser have hybrid?

it's like Toyota North America wants you to either make the most econobox statement or step up $45k+ to get it...almost no middle ground

if they put it in the corolla hatch they would have a clear winner over civic/mazda3 (apparently available in EU)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CHjNNjqGUKk/maxresdefault.jpg

[CorneringArtist]

doesn't every lexus besides the land cruiser have hybrid?

it's like Toyota North America wants you to either make the most econobox statement or step up $45k+ to get it...almost no middle ground

if they put it in the corolla hatch they would have a clear winner over civic/mazda3 (apparently available in EU)



EU and Japan have the Corolla Hatch Hybrid (EU also gets a long roof wagon version). Hell, the Japanese version is maybe a $3k price difference over the same trim we get with the engine options here. The non-hybrid version there is a 1.2L.