[twitchyzero]

i'm toying with the idea of getting the upcoming ND2...which is getting the power bump via a more rev-happy motor

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a19717774/theres-more-to-the-2019-miata-than-a-more-powerful-engine/

I've tried a MY16 GT but don't see too many on the road, owners what do you like, what don't you like? when does a new model year usually come out?

RF specific questions: what tires does it come with? Are the stock brakes adequate or the brembos worth it?

the price, the infotainment and trunk space is certainly noticed. it'll be a daily...the odd autox/track.. a weekend trip for two seems like it'll be bursting at its seams.

[Traum]

When the ND first came out, I went for a Mazda autox-style test drive, and I was HOOKED right on the first try. Bear in mind I'm saying this as a current NC owner, and have driven plenty of NA and NB aggressive on and off the track.

The thing that I liked most about a stock ND is how light and agile it is. IMO, the best trait a sports car can have is a lack of weight, and the ND scores major, major points there because there is absolutely nothing else that can reproduce the same experience. (The Elise / Exige is a whole different price level, and lacks the comfort, practicality, and even just ease of getting in and out of the car compared to the ND. And then it is nowhere nearly as reliable as an ND as well.) Dynamically, the car is neutral and telepathic. I literally just have to think of doing something, and then the car just does it. Even in the ND1 stock form, the engine is very, very torquey, and that makes for a very responsive drive.

The things that do not work for me are:
- the tight cabin
- a good seating position with enough head room
- the stock ND1's engine runs out of breath at the top end
- the stock suspension is too soft, and you really need to wait for it to settle

The small cabin really fits like a glove. For me, that is really both a blessing and a curse. When I am only focusing on driving, it is fantastic because everything that I need is there within easy reach, and everything is at the right place! When I try to factor everyday living with that, I know there are going to be challenges. I'm sure it'll be doable, but it isn't naturally meant to do that.

The seating position / headroom issue is because of my physique. I have a longer torso and shorter legs for my height (5'9"+), and the way the ND seat works is, as you bring the seat closer to the front (to help my short legs reaching the pedals), it also moves the seat higher. This means it eats away my headroom. I'm sure an aftermarket seat setup would eliminate this problem, but it makes the stock seat less than ideal for me.

At the end of the day, I couldn't pull the trigger (on an ND1 when it first came out) because I couldn't make the math work. My NC was lightly modded to suit my needs at the time, completely paid off, and sitting right at a comfortable zone on the depreciation curve. If I didn't already have my NC at the time, or if I were in a more comfortable financial position, I would have bought the ND despite all of its short comings. It was that good. I agonized over the decision for quite a while, and tried to come up with different ways to make it work, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it because of the numbers.

I didn't like the RF when I sat in it at the autoshow. The rear glass and associated enclosure make it seem too claustrophobic for me. But I don't have that problem with the soft top.

An ND friend with the Brembo front brakes can't sing enough praises for it as a stock brake setup. It even works well at the track. However, it also limits your wheel choice by quite a bit (due to clearance issues). There is no shortage of BBK for the ND though, including some that are very affordable (eg. FlyinMiata's ND LBBK). So personally, I wouldn't insist on having the factory Brembo.

[Gerbs]

Anyone know if a s2000 or a ND miata pulls harder.

[twitchyzero]

i'm around 5'7" so headroom's never a concern
no child so don't anticipate issues with weekday duties...it does rule out easily transporting a bicycle on weekends though
i feel a RF is more practical in Vancouver and it's quite the looker...i still can't find info on the stock tires

i'm open to other modern japan-built sports cars in the 30k range
no s2000 because i want something not a honda for once...86 is too similar to what i have...fiat 124 spider's FCA turbo motor reliability is unknown... the Z is an aging gas hog and next-gen still few years out

Anyone know if a s2000 or a ND miata pulls harder.

0-60 is roughly 1s faster...vtak bruh
supposedly slower in autox though

[Traum]

Anyone know if a s2000 or a ND miata pulls harder.
Stock for stock, at low end to mid range rpm, the current ND pulls harder. Once VTEC kicks in (yo!), however, the S2k would dominate. These results also seem consistent at the Street Touring autox as well (basically just your standard bolt-ons for mods) -- faster courses tends to favour S2k still, and lower top speed / more low-mid speed acceleration courses are better for the ND.

With the facelifted ND reportedly being in the 180+ hp range though, it is difficult to predict whether the S2k can maintain its high end dominance, and whether the ND can retain its low-mid range advantage.

[tofu1413]

K20 swap into ND.


should beat S2000!

[Hcoreposer]

Just get a S2000. Hard to beat Hondas aftermarket support plus add 200+ HP from a KWSC and decimate all.

[twitchyzero]

if I want 400hp+ I wont be looking at miatas...and I'm not into heavy modding
the s2000 is amazing for a 20 year-old design but getting a bit long in the tooth...I like my tech like CarPlay/Android Auto...if I'm spending a fair bit i'm hoping to move out of the late 90s/early 2000s Honda design and get something from this decade

[tofu1413]

Abarth 124?


pretty sure cranking up the boost to 200hp will be fun in that car... sounds great too.

[twitchyzero]

the pre-Chrysler merger multiair engine seems to be reliable but I still prefer NA
also not a fan of the front end, and it'll have worse resale value, not a bad thing but it uses last-gen NC Miata tranny
wonder if it'll get a bigger turbo in MY19 so it'll still edge out its refreshed MX-5 twin
i'll still go test it before I dismiss it though

[Traum]

Like you said, the NC Miata tranny in the 124 Spider isn't a bad thing -- it is just a bit notchy, whereas the ND's tranny is snick-snick smooth and fluid. However, also bear in mind that a batch of the early model year(s) ND is potentially affected by a transmission issue where the tranny may size without giving any noticeable warning. I forgot what the exact reason was that caused this, but Mazda has generally been very, very good in looking after the affected customers should it happen to them. A minimal number of questions is asked, and the owner is taken care of by having a new transmission installed at no cost to them (by the dealership). I don't remember which year(s) / production run the affected cars are though. Best to check Miata.net for that.

Also, with the massively up-rated engine, I'd expect the pre-facelift cars (ND1) to suffer a noticeable drop in market price. Yes, those are only 155hp cars, but IMO, mass production cars like this would always have a price that would make them into a great buy, and that might be the case with the ND1, once the ND2 comes out. So don't write off the pre-facelift cars just yet.

[twitchyzero]

only the 2016 MX-5 was affected
yes there will be deep discounts on the existing stock...sales I read are really slow...the ND2 leaks certainly aren't helping

[!Kodamu]

Even in ND1 i would already take one over a ap1. With te ND2 coming out, 200whp should not be a problem and with that power bump it would be perfect.

[twitchyzero]

E85 tune on ND2?

[TouringTeg]

I know you want Japanese but those Fiesta ST look like fun. The Recaro seats are nice. Also they are discontinued so may go up in value?

https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/pml/ctd/d/2015-ford-fiesta-st-only/6576954722.html

Also not Japanese but Boxster S is another driver focused car. Cayman is usually over 30k.

[twitchyzero]

got to track a 981 GTS in PDK
fun but caymans are not within reach...some day :alone:

[Rainei]

I own a ND1. The major advantages of the ND2 are the redesigned engine bits, which will most likely give it that power potential the ND1 just does not have. If more power is in your future, wait for the ND2.

Another huge huge huge thing that people don't really think about is the fact that the ND2 will apparently come with a telescoping steering wheel. It's a feature that crapboxes from 2001 have, but has never been available in a Miata.

I personally do not like the RF, as indeed it isn't a full convertible. On top of that, there is no roll bar option for that yet, and probably never will be. There just isn't the room available. As for tires, I'm not sure, but my 2016 Club with the BBS came with the Bridgestone S-001, which is firmly ok. Gets greasy after a few laps and grip drops off, but pretty durable. I have the brembos, and they haven't seemed to fade (yet). My usage is daily with handful of autox/track, and I don't really have any complaints, even on the stock fluid/pads. I toasted them after a year of track, so I've got some dual duty pads in there now. This might be also due to my lower skill/grip levels, so ymmv.

Personally I'm seriously considering trading up to the ND2 at some point, but I may be taking a huge depreciation hit, considering I've put a roll bar in there which means some holes in the tub and messed up interior trim plastics. But I will be doing a full cost analysis when the ND2 does hit the showrooms. Not sure how an 26 extra hp will feel, but maybe it will be a more rev happy motor, as the current engine does feel like it runs out of steam pretty early on.

Weekend trips are absolutely no problem, especially if you pack light. The trunk itself can handle two small carry-on luggage, and can fit maybe 3 or more small soft bags around the side. The parcel shelf area can carry some thin soft bags/ towels or what not as well.

tl:dr Wait for the ND2 if you want to spend an extra ~10k. A used ND1 will be the more financially wise decision.

[bcrdukes]

Also not Japanese but Boxster S is another driver focused car. Cayman is usually over 30k.

I would go as far as to say the early model year Boxster, base or S model, are a good bang for buck, and for the most part, quite reliable and have hit the depreciation floor, but slowly rising again.

[TouringTeg]

As a price point a fellow autox competitor just bought an 01 Boxster S 6spd, black, 121kms, new clutch IMS etc for 14k at a dealer in the lower mainland.

[bcrdukes]

Sounds about right for pricing. I'm actually in the market for a summer/secondary car, and went to look at a few Boxsters this past weekend. Looking to pick one up in a few week's time.

Sorry for the thread jack. Carry on. :D

[TouringTeg]

In the fall I looked at a silver 02 Boxster S 6spd, 210kms, for $6000. It was musty and was covered by a tarp so many scratches. Also a few dents and lots of deferred maintenance. IMS unknown. I think someone got it for 5k.

[twitchyzero]

I own a ND1. The major advantages of the ND2 are the redesigned engine bits, which will most likely give it that power potential the ND1 just does not have. If more power is in your future, wait for the ND2.

Another huge huge huge thing that people don't really think about is the fact that the ND2 will apparently come with a telescoping steering wheel. It's a feature that crapboxes from 2001 have, but has never been available in a Miata.

I personally do not like the RF, as indeed it isn't a full convertible. On top of that, there is no roll bar option for that yet, and probably never will be. There just isn't the room available. As for tires, I'm not sure, but my 2016 Club with the BBS came with the Bridgestone S-001, which is firmly ok. Gets greasy after a few laps and grip drops off, but pretty durable. I have the brembos, and they haven't seemed to fade (yet). My usage is daily with handful of autox/track, and I don't really have any complaints, even on the stock fluid/pads. I toasted them after a year of track, so I've got some dual duty pads in there now. This might be also due to my lower skill/grip levels, so ymmv.

Personally I'm seriously considering trading up to the ND2 at some point, but I may be taking a huge depreciation hit, considering I've put a roll bar in there which means some holes in the tub and messed up interior trim plastics. But I will be doing a full cost analysis when the ND2 does hit the showrooms. Not sure how an 26 extra hp will feel, but maybe it will be a more rev happy motor, as the current engine does feel like it runs out of steam pretty early on.

Weekend trips are absolutely no problem, especially if you pack light. The trunk itself can handle two small carry-on luggage, and can fit maybe 3 or more small soft bags around the side. The parcel shelf area can carry some thin soft bags/ towels or what not as well.

tl:dr Wait for the ND2 if you want to spend an extra ~10k. A used ND1 will be the more financially wise decision.

I can see why telescopic wheel is a big deal for most...I feel your pain as the ND2 seems very obvious they've held back for the sake of the refresh...like standard backup cam, isn't that already mandated several years ago?

don't want a convertible anyways so the RF is right up my alley despite every reviewer saying to get the soft-top...hope the wind buffeting isn't as bad as it's made out to be

the factory roll hoops do seem inadequate...owners seem to suggest it depends on the event organizers whether it's allowed or not

initially I thought the satin stock wheels look more classy, but the BBS makes the ND look like a baby vette/viper from the side...damn!

https://youtu.be/GBhIHNmlfPM

yep looks like all the optioned wheels get the Potenza summers...good to know the S001 aren't Prius tires like the other guys

thanks for the input...but seriously I don't see many of you guys out and about...do you guys just drive to the canyon and beeline it home? I see more AMG and Maseratis than NDs...Miatas at grassroots are typically NB/NC

OT discussions: boxsters have been in the low teens as far back as I can remember...at least ones from last century

do the old BMW Z roadsters/coupes fall apart after a few laps? never see them discussed unless it's the Z4M

[!Kodamu]

There's always an ND at Speed Fanatics track days and last Ridge track day there was atleast two. So some ND owners are starting to bring them out to track.

[twitchyzero]

Mazda Japan just opened up the orders for ND2 and shipping next month
hopefully it'll hit our dealers by fall

7500rpm redline with improved fuel economy

source in Japanese
?MAZDA????? ??????????? ?????? RF??????????????? (http://www2.mazda.com/ja/publicity/release/2018/201806/180607a.html?_ga=2.160014781.148148624.1528728571-591160236.1528728571)

looks like a reviewer in Japan has already tried a pre-production unit (also in Japanese)
https://car.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/impression/1126170.html

[Badhobz]

fucking miatas... why cant they ever make a tall person version? 6'2 and its impossible.
Was able to squeeze into a NC but having the top closed meant me bashing my skull on every bump.

[twitchyzero]

video of the new ND2 RF

https://youtu.be/XQ11tnmCGKk

apparently the first batch is already on a boat to Vancouver!

https://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=670978

[twitchyzero]

MY19 will have richer torque curve throughout the entire rev range
will only weigh 7lbs more than MY18 thanks to switching to more aluminum components

2019 Mazda MX-5 Miata: More Power, More Revs, More Fun - The Drive (http://www.thedrive.com/news/21637/2019-mazda-mx-5-miata-more-power-more-revs-more-brown)

[shiesty]

Sounds promising. Wonder how much cheaper the MY16-18 will get

[twitchyzero]

tried sitting in the passenger seat for once
that transmission hump in the footwell is almost a deal-breaker...I get it it's as driver's car but holy crap what an oversight...let's hope the ND's 5th revision tranny won't continue to blow up

quite a few people are also skeptical about the new dual mass flywheel...I can't imagine the anal engineers in japan screwing this up but might be worth waiting for a review before plunking down the funds

[supafamous]

A little bit surprised that there's no mention of improved sound insulation as was leaked earlier. By many accounts the car is really loud even for what it is. Never heard complaints about noise levels for the NC but have read a lot about people having to wear earplugs on longer trip or trips on highways.

I'd love to own an ND some day but I'm hearing impaired and have sensitive ears now so was hoping for improvements in this area.

[twitchyzero]

I've read the ND is quieter than the NA/NB? at least soft top vs soft top
i'm not too concerned about road noise in a carf like this

[twitchyzero]

Canadian NDA is lifted
they just had their 50th anniversary event in Markham

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWcGJTd1fI4
https://www.autotrader.ca/expert/20180720/first-drive-2019-mazda-mx-5/
https://www.auto123.com/en/news/2019-mazda-mx5-more-power/64807/

hitting dealerships in September

[twitchyzero]

dyno just released...only 7% drivetrain loss

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/news/grm-first-mazda-miata-nd2-dyno/

finally, 60mph in 2nd gear

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/news/mazda-mx5-miata-nd2-what-does-it-mean/

aznboi128, when are you releasing Revscene's own review?

[!Aznboi128]

Filming today/tomorrow, release on coming Friday.

[twitchyzero]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oot4aDlyPPY

[Badhobz]

I still think the NC is a decent buy. It's the only one I was able to squeeze in.

[!Aznboi128]

I still think the NC is a decent buy. It's the only one I was able to squeeze in.
NC seems to have the least amount of support, I would personally go with NB2 just because imo it looks the best and best value atm.

[Traum]

NC seems to have the least amount of support, I would personally go with NB2 just because imo it looks the best and best value atm.
While it is true that the NC has the least amount of aftermarket support among the different generations so far, it still has options for everything that enthusiasts would want. It's just that instead of having, say, 5 - 10 different options for a particular item, there may only be 2 - 3 to choose from, but they are still good, solid ones developed by reputable Miata shops (think Good-Win-Racing and Flyin Miata).

[twitchyzero]

NC PRHT looks king

were they ever offered in Canada...none second hand right now so as hard to find as the S2000?

[68style]

I was on the flyin Miata site the other day and noticed for the NC they no longer list a Supercharger kit... anyone know why?

[Traum]

There should be plenty of NC PRHT around. In fact, I think the majority (ie. over 50%) of the NCs sold in the later years are all PRHT.

Bear in mind that a PRHT is not as suitable when used in a performance application -- there is extra weight and the lack of club-sanctioned rollover protection. But those will only matter if you plan on tracking the car.

[!Aznboi128]

The NC PRHT was nice, love the fact it was quiet on the roads when you need to and ability to enjoy yourself when sun's out

[Traum]

I was on the flyin Miata site the other day and noticed for the NC they no longer list a Supercharger kit... anyone know why?
Low take rate, maybe?

Since FM developed it, maybe it can still be special ordered. If someone is interested, I'm sure they can talk to FM and find out.

On the other hand, Goodwin still has their SC kit listed.

Also, I think 2.5L swaps are more popular than SC or turbo because of costs and simplicity. In its crudiest and most basic form, it is essentially a drop in affair (but you probably don't want a straight drop in like that).

[!Aznboi128]

^ I've been reading up on the 2.5 it seems very popular and not much is needed to make it work. Easily get over 200hp with some bolt-ons would make the NC much more enjoyable.

That said I really want an NB with J-series Honda motor.... something about the v6 would just make me so happy.

[Traum]

Not easy to get 200 whp. In fact, a lot of people are bxtching that the Miata shops are misleading people into thinking that 200 whp is easy.

I think it is more realistic to expect around 170 - 180-ish whp. But with the ND2 pumping out 180 (crank) hp straight out of the factory and its weight advantage, I think even a 2.5L swapped NC is still gonna eat dust going against an ND2.

[!Aznboi128]

I've been driving around the ND2 for the past 2 weeks, the review will be posted later today for the soft top and a more in depth with be posted next week for the RF.

NC with 170-180 isn't bad yea it weighs more than the ND2 but I think its still a good balanced vehicle. Too many people bitch about more power when the miata was never about that.

[!Aznboi128]

https://youtu.be/emLgWFcWUkA

Here's a local review by yours truly #ShamelessPlug

[twitchyzero]

looking forward to your impressions of the white RF they're loaning you

[Jmac]

I'm kind of interested in the RF, mainly if it's possible to be a realistic year-round option as opposed to a summer-only option.

[!Aznboi128]

The RF is significantly louder with the top down when comparing to the roadster.
Other than that, I would say it's a better day-to-day miata. Quieter, easier to live with etc

will have that video coming soon

[twitchyzero]

your video mentioned FD has changed in the 2019, it only applies to the A/T

[!Aznboi128]

your video mentioned FD has changed in the 2019, it only applies to the A/T
Got it from their media info. Didn't specify if it was transmission specific.

New final drive ratio: The transmission's final drive ratio has been increased from 3.454 to 3.583 in order to improve linear response to match the driver's intentions. Gear ratios are otherwise unchanged from previous models.

[twitchyzero]

^ that was in the initial media release statement, but they've since clarified but i'm too lazy to find you the source...either way you're not alone in providing the inaccurate statement, I see most youtube reviews have stated the change in FD without clarifying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Fis0MtmmY

passing on the right @ 5:20

[!Aznboi128]

hmmm good to know, let me see if I can find it....

[twitchyzero]

https://youtu.be/MUB8ANrcUHE

jarring camera work aside, it was a good review Jimmy

[!Aznboi128]

My camera operator's first use of a gimbal wasn't that effective with it lol

Thanks!

[twitchyzero]

lawd...SavageGeese and Straight Pipes with MY19 vs Cup car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnimjgGsXxE

Dougie also just posted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJUltR6UYSo

[twitchyzero]

DK praised the ND in 2015 in touge runs, but now shits on the refreshed one for track use

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP1P0pRmYwU&feature=youtu.be

[twitchyzero]

someone finally tried the AP2v1 and ND2 back-to-back on the track

2019 Mazda MX-5 Miata vs. 2004 Honda S2000 Comparison Review: Cross-Generational Roadster Showdown
Fifteen years apart—and a surprisingly close matchup.

https://www.thedrive.com/new-cars/28333/2019-mazda-mx-5-miata-vs-2004-honda-s2000-comparison-review-cross-generational-roadster-showdown?fbclid=IwAR1gCFJFxQt3gmFfx-mo30QtJ2kX7VlwBVT7fwrbQ8oCOICc2_mhgIMyDec

[Simplex123]

Bringing back this thread from the dead...

A 100th Anniversary video popped up on my Youtube feed. So I searched for more videos and this one came up.

The video is kind of cringe.. But only 100 in Canada I'm really surprised a Campbell River dealer ordered one. From their site, it looks like it's still sitting there lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ9q3f1rCz4

[twitchyzero]

different center caps/mats, headrest stitching, a plaque, burgandy top

needs to come at least in off-white like their first car

meh wouldn't care to pay msrp for it, would still try to haggle lol

[bcedhk]

Bringing back this thread from the dead...

A 100th Anniversary video popped up on my Youtube feed. So I searched for more videos and this one came up.

The video is kind of cringe.. But only 100 in Canada I'm really surprised a Campbell River dealer ordered one. From their site, it looks like it's still sitting there lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ9q3f1rCz4

New owner will be a old white retiree who will drive the car daily to and from the local pub with the top down, wearing a Mazda baseball cap and polo shirt

[twitchyzero]

jimmy your review just popped up
great video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fslk9VGtqc

[is350]

I love polymetal grey, wish Mazda offered it in the 3 sedan. Shame it's only in the 3 hatch and in the special editions of other segments.

[!Aznboi128]

jimmy your review just popped up
great video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fslk9VGtqc
Thanks man!

[supafamous]

New owner will be a old white retiree who will drive the car daily to and from the local pub with the top down, wearing a Mazda baseball cap and polo shirt

And the rest of us will be waiting for a low mileage, never driven in the rain 100th Anniversary Miata to show up for sale in a few years when the old guy dies.