[bcrdukes]

Looking to replace the stock/OEM tires that came with [edit] my friend's car with Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+. Anybody running them? And if so, care to share your thoughts and impression on these?

Want: Michelin Pilot Sport P4
Reality: Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+ :okay:

Thanks in advance

[mb_]

For the price, I'd recommend Continental ExtremeContact Sport if the size you're looking for is available

[ronald55555]

Had mine for about a year, awesome tires. They have tons of grip in the dry, I would go as far as to say they have almost the same grip level as some of the summer specific tires.
Handling: Good, sidewalls seem to have good support, no jiggle or squirm like the oem tires I had before, pretty damn close to my summers for response.
Wet: Good
Snow: Passable for the few days of light snow in richmond/van, but I'd get snow tires for anything more than a couple inches
Noise: Fine, what you'd expect for this category, almost as good as dedicated 4 seasons, not nearly as bad as summers, very very slight growl at slow speeds sometimes when I roll to a stop, but you'd have to be listening for it
Comfort: Good, but mine are pretty meaty 225/50/17
Wear: Seems good after a year (25k km) of abuse, shoulders still have the injection moulding marks despite regular abuse on on/off ramps

I did a bunch of research before buying them, and the tirerack ratings and reviews are pretty accurate with what I've experienced so far. High performance 4 seasons have definitely come a long way since the days of falken ziex 512s...

[kkthind]

I had the last gen pilot sport A/S3. they were pretty good. Had no issues. And the new ones now are apparently 20+% better than last gen

[yray]

you have a car?

I thought its cannondale or nothing

[Gerbs]

I have them, but I'm not sure how to analyze them like the way Ronald did

[bcrdukes]

For the price, I'd recommend Continental ExtremeContact Sport if the size you're looking for is available

The final price comparing the Michelin vs. Continental seem to be an extra $150-250 for Continental. Got any leads?

[bcrdukes]

you have a car?

I thought its cannondale or nothing

It's...my friend's car. :pokerface:

[Nabatron]

I got the continental extreme contact sports on my 16' wrx. 255/40/18 I find them to have lots of grip and pretty good when wet. Pretty much cant go wrong with both. I think wear rating is around 350-380 which is pretty good I would say.

[ImPan]

It's...my friend's car. :pokerface:

I can look up for u , what size are u looking for?

i prefer Conti DWS , i have a set for myself and they come with one year warranty. anything happen to the tire , they would give u a new one:fullofwin:

[TOS'd]

I've had them since April, not much use but they seem pretty good so far.

[Akinari]

I have the ECS, incredible tires for the price. Miata guys love it too, grip levels allegedly close to RE71R.

[Hondaracer]

For the price, I'd recommend Continental ExtremeContact Sport if the size you're looking for is available

i believe this is what my wifes G37 has. If they are, they are fantastic tires, ive been really impressed with them

[Badhobz]

I run them on my Maserati. No issues whatsoever. Plenty of dry weather grip and really not half bad in the rain.

[320icar]

For the price, I'd recommend Continental ExtremeContact Sport if the size you're looking for is available

Nah, if this is a 3 season tire I’d recommend the Michelin over the contactsport

[bcrdukes]

^
Ditto.

I have a set of dedicated winters so I'm good on that front. Ideally, I'd like a set of dedicated summer tires, but reality says otherwise. :okay:

Edit: I probably should just get a Costco membership. :okay: x 2
Edit #2: Do I need a Costco membership for tires and installation?

[mb_]

The final price comparing the Michelin vs. Continental seem to be an extra $150-250 for Continental. Got any leads?

Well then. What size?

I have the ECS, incredible tires for the price. Miata guys love it too, grip levels allegedly close to RE71R.

Driven on both, track and street, I disagree with this statement

[twitchyzero]

yes you do

ive had the a/s 3+ for 9 months but I haven't taken it autox
for Vancouver (more rain than sun, very little snow) I don't think you can beat them in the UHPAS category

[mr00jimbo]

I have the regular AS3 on my 5.0 Mustang. I replaced the Pirelli P-Zeros that came on the car that would literally spin when I let the clutch out without any gas when it was rainy and cold out.
I find the AS3s to be very sporty and great in the rain, even with 400+ horsepower and rear-drive.
Stable at speed, too.
I am a big Michelin fan.
Horrid in snow though lol

[bcrdukes]

Well then. What size?

225/45/17

The V speed rating will do. Y is just an extra cherry on top.

[Jonydakiller]

Neighbor had his stock PSS replaced with AS3 on his 235i M
He drives hard and has nothing bad to say about the tires.
ECS is stock tires on my M4, never slip or losing grip while cornering HARD.
can't say much about straight line since it spins no matter what tire you put on it lol

[320icar]

I have the ECS, incredible tires for the price. Miata guys love it too, grip levels allegedly close to RE71R.

Nah. They’re comparable to pilot super sports or Goodyear eagle f1’s. They are not a dedicated track tire like a pilot cup 2, re71r, federal rsrr etc

[Traum]

^
Ditto.

I have a set of dedicated winters so I'm good on that front. Ideally, I'd like a set of dedicated summer tires, but reality says otherwise. :okay:

Edit: I probably should just get a Costco membership. :okay: x 2
Edit #2: Do I need a Costco membership for tires and installation?
I am not understanding this correctly.

So there is already a set of dedicated winter tires. In that case, why would you still want to get a set of "all season" tires?

If you plan on running the same set of tires year round, I can totally see why all seasons (eg. Pilot Sport AS3+) would make sense. But if there is already a set of winter tires, it make no sense to run all seasons in the other 3 seasons.

(This is assuming the car will be used in Metro Vancouver and vicinity.)

[MikeyStyle]

^
Ditto.

I have a set of dedicated winters so I'm good on that front. Ideally, I'd like a set of dedicated summer tires, but reality says otherwise. :okay:

Edit: I probably should just get a Costco membership. :okay: x 2
Edit #2: Do I need a Costco membership for tires and installation?
you'll need membership

used my friend's membership to buy it online and they needed to be in the store as well to have the tires installed. in the end i got my own membership as it would have been a hassle to always have my friend there if i needed anything else done with those tires or warranty

[is350]

^ I believe if you have the Costco gift card, you will be able to both purchase the tires and have them installed at their car shop as well.

[bcrdukes]

I am not understanding this correctly.

So there is already a set of dedicated winter tires. In that case, why would you still want to get a set of "all season" tires?

If you plan on running the same set of tires year round, I can totally see why all seasons (eg. Pilot Sport AS3+) would make sense. But if there is already a set of winter tires, it make no sense to run all seasons in the other 3 seasons.

(This is assuming the car will be used in Metro Vancouver and vicinity.)

Good catch on this.

Fact: I am currently not in the GVRD, but instead, in a place that experiences all four seasons, especially harsh winters. Fall and spring can be unpredictable, often with steep temperature drops and ice storms.

Ideally, I would like to have a set of dedicated summer tires, but given the climate of where I am, it isn't worth the risk. I had to keep winters from October 2017 to May 2018.

If I were in Vancouver, yes, I would have sprung for something like the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S or the Continental Extreme Contact Sport.

Lesson to you all: Stay in Vancouver.

[320icar]

^ I believe if you have the Costco gift card, you will be able to both purchase the tires and have them installed at their car shop as well.

Sort of yes. But going back for your free rotations and flat repairs and possible warranties if you’re not even a member is a 100% hassle, and you can be refused after.

Think of it this way. Rotation and balance is free for the lifetime of the tire. Say 5 years, get it done every 6 months (Canadian average 25k km a year, rotations @12k) most places charge ~$50. That’s about 500 in 5 years. So if you wanted a basic Costco membership at what... $60/year or something? I’m not sure. The price evens out

[320icar]

Good catch on this.

Fact: I am currently not in the GVRD, but instead, in a place that experiences all four seasons, especially harsh winters. Fall and spring can be unpredictable, often with steep temperature drops and ice storms.

Ideally, I would like to have a set of dedicated summer tires, but given the climate of where I am, it isn't worth the risk. I had to keep winters from October 2017 to May 2018.

If I were in Vancouver, yes, I would have sprung for something like the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S or the Continental Extreme Contact Sport.

Lesson to you all: Stay in Vancouver.

Gotcha. I have 3 dedicated sets of wheels for my car; summer only, all seasons and snowies. If you’re looking for the best all seasons on the market, the a/s3+ is definitely a contender. I’ve heard nothing but good things about conti’s dws.

[bcrdukes]

First off, thanks to everyone in the thread who provided valuable input.

Secondly, after reading this thread, it appears that the Michelin's are a good bet. I decided to play it safe and stick with the all seasons. It's easy to get tempted and enamored by having a dedicated set of summer tires, but where I am, is not a good idea.

Last, but not least, after doing some homework, I decided to renew my Costco menbership. There was a cost savings by renewing the membership; it's hard to beat Costco's $15/tire service fee. Order placed for the Michelin's. Should have them mounted within a week or so.

For reference, the stock tires are Bridgestone Ecopia's (forgot exact model.) They aren't terrible, but they aren't the greatest. They would appease a majority of the population. After all, stock tires that came with an econobox. I feel that they are a bit soft and uanble to maximize fuel savings, and taking sweeping turns onto the highway aren't very fun at all. :okay:

[bcrdukes]

Welpz, time to head over to Costco to do some grocery shopping. :pokerface:

[320icar]

Bridgestone ecopia are a good tire, they have a pretty good tread life. Sidewall is pretty soft so in aggressive driving you’ll feel some deflection. They also run a bit narrow, the should rolls into the sidewall more. As3+ are way more sporty. Pirelli p4 or p7 are okay. Shit in any kind of snow. I’d consider them if they were on sale.

Food for thought. For all seasons I run “goalstar catchpower” In 255/35r18. They were $72 each brand new. I’ve tried them in every weather except snow (yes, even a track day) and they were awesome. New tread is only 8/32” new (versus the normal 10/32) but the price is amazing. Grips well in hard launches. Quiet around city, though after track they have a 120+knh buzz due to alignment. For a daily driver, pretty much all modern tires are good. Just make sure to maintain them

[bcrdukes]

You are correct that the Bridgestone Ecopia tires are good; tread life has been great, and I have about 29,000KM on them since new.

It's mostly highway driving and lots of highway exits day in and day out, so yes, they feel as if they are running into the sidewall. I simply wanted something a bit more sporty and the Ecopia tires didn't meet that criteria. I'll hold on to them for a while or throw them back on when I sell the car...I mean bicycle. :D

[is350]

Sort of yes. But going back for your free rotations and flat repairs and possible warranties if you’re not even a member is a 100% hassle, and you can be refused after.

Think of it this way. Rotation and balance is free for the lifetime of the tire. Say 5 years, get it done every 6 months (Canadian average 25k km a year, rotations @12k) most places charge ~$50. That’s about 500 in 5 years. So if you wanted a basic Costco membership at what... $60/year or something? I’m not sure. The price evens out

So what you mean is that: Costco will definitely let me buy and install the tires for me given that I have the Costco gift card on hand.

But once the card has been used and finished, I'm going to have a difficulty or getting refused getting
flat repairs, rotations and balances after?

[320icar]

It’s a grey area. Each household is only able to use a gift gift car twice a year. You have to provide Canadian ID. The warranty applies to Costco members etc. Tires are not a jug of milk, they require maintainance. If you expect to be treated like a member, be a member.

Best to ask a manager or something ahead of time to avoid you being pissed about trying to cheat a system

[is350]

^ alright, a family friend of mine gave us a $200 costco gift card that we still haven't used. Thought might put it to use for tires. Guess we will have to check.

[MikeyStyle]

So what you mean is that: Costco will definitely let me buy and install the tires for me given that I have the Costco gift card on hand.

But once the card has been used and finished, I'm going to have a difficulty or getting refused getting
flat repairs, rotations and balances after?
yeah. they wouldn't work on my car without my friend being there as the tires were purchased under his membership

in the end, i got my own membership and the manager transferred the tire purchase from my friend's account to mine so that i wouldn't have any hassle in the future

[Manic!]

Kaltire will match Costco prices.

[320icar]

Kaltire will match Costco prices.

This. They also have a bigger selection of what they’ll get in, they can work on trucks way easier. Not sure on their warranty or free flat repair kind of thing, but I believe it’s very comparable. I tell people to go there all the time in the busy season if they want an appointment less than 4 weeks away lolololol

[hud 91gt]

I bought a set of winter tires at Kal Tire. Brought in a flat to a different Kal tire 2000km away on my summers and they fixed for free. Would buy again.

[TOS'd]

Good catch on this.

Fact: I am currently not in the GVRD, but instead, in a place that experiences all four seasons, especially harsh winters. Fall and spring can be unpredictable, often with steep temperature drops and ice storms.

Ideally, I would like to have a set of dedicated summer tires, but given the climate of where I am, it isn't worth the risk. I had to keep winters from October 2017 to May 2018.

If I were in Vancouver, yes, I would have sprung for something like the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S or the Continental Extreme Contact Sport.

Lesson to you all: Stay in Vancouver.
too late FeelsBadMan

[Hakkaboy]

Maybe not a valid comparison, but I have both the A/S 3 plus and DWS on 2 different cars currently.

The Michelins feel better in the dry on my S2000 than the Continentals do on my TL-S, but that could me more of a lighter weight RWD vs heavier FWD :p

Tirerack does rank the Michelins as better in the dry though

[is350]

I bought a set of winter tires at Kal Tire. Brought in a flat to a different Kal tire 2000km away on my summers and they fixed for free. Would buy again.

How did they know you bought the tires at a different Kal Tire? You brought the receipt with you along the trip?

[Badhobz]

How did they know you bought the tires at a different Kal Tire? You brought the receipt with you along the trip?

They probably have a nation wide database. Similar to Costco.

[hud 91gt]

I’m betting they probably do. I kept my receipt handy in the glove compartment but they didn’t care. I just told them my other set was from Kal. When the work was complete they didn’t charge me.

[320icar]

How did they know you bought the tires at a different Kal Tire? You brought the receipt with you along the trip?

Kal tire does free flat repairs for anyone, whether you bought the tires there or not. Great way to get customers in the door

[yray]

Kal tire does free flat repairs for anyone, whether you bought the tires there or not. Great way to get customers in the door

They charged me $20 last time, tire only and no mounting on car.

[320icar]

Ah. I’ve always heard they do it free. Guess I was wrong

[Badhobz]

They charged me $20 last time, tire only and no mounting on car.

Did you look like a rich Asian fuerdai ? That shit doesn't help. You gotta take off your Gucci hat and LV shoes

[yray]

Did you look like a rich Asian fuerdai ? That shit doesn't help. You gotta take off your Gucci hat and LV shoes

lol showed up in my amg 18s in a pick up truck:troll:

[SupraTTturbo2jz]

ran my a/s 3 for 3 years, drove hard in dry and rain. Had no issues, but snow is horrible. Very scary experience. tread wear is decent. I recently switched over to continental extreme contact DWS because they were on sale at canadian tire. michelines feel more stable in the dry and wet. continentals have been good in dry but feels a bit soft when doing sharp turns. Waiting for the rain to come to test them out and I did a lot of research on these tires and apparently do very well in the snow.

[supafamous]

ran my a/s 3 for 3 years, drove hard in dry and rain. Had no issues, but snow is horrible. Very scary experience. tread wear is decent. I recently switched over to continental extreme contact DWS because they were on sale at canadian tire. michelines feel more stable in the dry and wet. continentals have been good in dry but feels a bit soft when doing sharp turns. Waiting for the rain to come to test them out and I did a lot of research on these tires and apparently do very well in the snow.

The new plus model is supposed to be WAY better than the origin A/S 3 which was indeed terrible in the snow. The Plus has better snow ratings than the DWS06 on Tirerack though looking at the tread I'm surprised at that - not a lot of lateral edges to bite on snow.

[bcrdukes]

Alright, so a quick update.

I got these installed and went for a spin along the highway and through the city. These are a huge improvement over my Bridgestone Ecopia 422s. The Michelin's absorb a lot of the cracks, bumps, and road imperfections quite well. Handling feels great, and acceleration and braking are improved.

I should have got these a long time ago. These are awesome. Thanks, Revscene! Now I'm going to go street race in my Corolla and FWD drift against the kids on Mt. Akina. :fuckyea:

[320icar]

What size are you running?

[bcrdukes]

225/45R17

[theSpeedSyndicate]

The AS3 is our best selling tire to date. Much better than the DWS with way less problems

[AstulzerRZD]

The AS3 is our best selling tire to date. Much better than the DWS with way less problems

What kind of issues were you seeing with the DWS?

[theSpeedSyndicate]

What kind of issues were you seeing with the DWS?

We saw a lot of sidewall punctures due to them being thin. On the DWS06 we have not seen anything like that yet