[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Before the news even has it.

It’s unfolding now. News outlets reporting 60 to 9 min ago

Live stream uploaded.


More news coming. I’ll let the others post the rest.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Manifesto

https://www.scribd.com/document/401945007/Brenton-Tarrant-Great-Replacement-Manifesto


Images of his gear
https://imgur.com/a/OxAYYIJ

[eclipseman]

very fucking sad...fuck this guy.

[SkinnyPupp]

Post NSFL stuff in here, get banned. We have a section specifically for that, go post it there.

[Ford_Fanatic]

"Good people on both sides..." My ass

[BIC_BAWS]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/14/world/asia/christchurch-nz-shooting.html

From NZ friends

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Post NSFL stuff in here, get banned. We have a section specifically for that, go post it there.

Lol whoops


Well anyone that isn’t a retard can find it on the net easily.

[AzNightmare]

:fulloffuck:

[Manic!]

They live streamed the whole thing.

[FN-2199]

I'm absolutely shocked. This the shitty world we have to live in now?


RIP.

[Yodamaster]

I watched all 16 minutes of the recording, I'm just going to say that the media is under representing the number of casualties. He passed by another location and fired from his vehicle with a shotgun (through the windshield and side window), was allegedly fired upon by people there. There is also an image linking the shooter to an 8chan post with a detailed rundown of his intentions, with specifics.

That being said, the footage is beyond graphic, I'd strongly recommend keeping as far away from that shit as possible.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Watching press release. 40 people dead so far. Explosive devises attatched to vehicles disarmed. 3 men and 1 women in custody linked to the shooting.

[Yodamaster]

Watching press release. 40 people dead so far. Explosive devises attatched to vehicles disarmed. 3 men and 1 women in custody linked to the shooting.

They mention the beige Legacy as the one with "explosives", it was full of gas canisters and incendiary devices meant to burn the mosque, the shooter mentioned as much.

[CharlesInCharge]

Lets face it most westerners are dumb down and easily manipulated for empire building. Think Canada is safe? Same shit, different pile.

[J____]

when I first saw the recording I thought it was some game/short film... holy shit what a fucked up world

[Mr.Money]

What kind of police force takes longer than 16 minutes to show up with loud bangs going off to get the direction of it?......what the fuck kind of law enforcement takes that long to stop a shooter???

[pastarocket]

This is seriously fucked up!

As for the FB Livefeed of the massacre, I wonder if there is anything that FB can do to prevent this kind of garbage from being recorded on their site.

[Bouncing Bettys]

What kind of police force takes longer than 16 minutes to show up with loud bangs going off to get the direction of it?......what the fuck kind of law enforcement takes that long to stop a shooter???
One not used to that level of violence I guess? For example: Police were exchanging gunfire with the shooters at Columbine within 4 minutes of the first shot, yet swat teams didn't enter the building for over an hour after the gunmen had killed themselves. The wounded were literally crawling out of the building because no one was coming to save them, while others bled out with rescue services just feet away.

[nabs]

My mom's cousins were in the big mosque, she spoke to them some time last night after finally getting through, they were able to escape, only injuries they suffered were due to jumping over a fence to escape. So sad and senseless.

[CivicBlues]

What kind of police force takes longer than 16 minutes to show up with loud bangs going off to get the direction of it?......what the fuck kind of law enforcement takes that long to stop a shooter???

I could be wrong, but NZ police could be in a similar situation to most of the UK where they don't carry guns normally. They have to call for specialized Armed Police...

Then again how did this fucktard get a hold of semi-autos?

[PeanutButter]

Oh man, those videos are horrible.

[bcedhk]

I could be wrong, but NZ police could be in a similar situation to most of the UK where they don't carry guns normally. They have to call for specialized Armed Police...

Then again how did this fucktard get a hold of semi-autos?

There's a growing gang problem in NZ. I'm guessing it's not difficult to smuggle weapons from Asia to NZ by water.

You can tell from the images that most of the police there aren't prepared for this incident nor do they have adequate hardware for it. But I think that's the norm in most countries aside from the US.

[Speed2K]

RIP BibleThump

[Berzerker]

Reading about his posts on /chan he says he was planning to get taken alive, and stand trial pleading not guilty. He intends to defend by saying he is defending his land from invaders.

Berz out.

[Harvey Specter]

This is bizarre...

Last year, a message on Facebook from Mr Tarrant spoke of a trip to Pakistan, "an incredible place filled with the most earnest, kind hearted and hospitable people in the world".

"The beauty of hunza and nagar valley in autumn cannot be beat," he wrote.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/alleged-christchurch-gunman-identified-as-former-grafton-local-20190315-p514nm.html

[Ludepower]

It looked like a video game. Very disheartening. RIP. Please cut off his ballz and let him bleed to death.

[pastarocket]

+1 for the kid who cracked an egg on that racist senator and taking video of the incident.
:lawl:

FYI, that New Zealand senator is facing censure for his anti-Muslim comments about immigration.

https://youtu.be/G2-RIBQyNQE

[StylinRed]

+1 for the kid who cracked an egg on that racist senator and taking video of the incident.
:lawl:

FYI, that New Zealand senator is facing censure for his anti-Muslim comments about immigration.

https://youtu.be/G2-RIBQyNQE



he blamed the terror attack in NZ on muslims for emigrating to NZ.... ffs
I know racism is rampant in OZ but god damn...

[Yodamaster]

There is a reason why there is a disconnect between his comments regarding his travels and what he did. He mentions admiring the people of Pakistan, but he hates immigrants. He labelled the Muslims in question as foreign invaders partly because they had immigrated.

Furthermore, people have to remember that Islam is not a race, it's a religion. Yes, a majority of followers are middle eastern, but ultimately there are members from every race. The shooter lays it out very specifically in his manifesto, he intended to sow division and hatred, which seems to have worked with a large amount of people who can't see the bigger picture.

More people need to see this as an attack on everyone, I can't count the number of racist remarks (from every direction) regarding this incident, it's an embarrassment, and it's exactly what he wants.

[Bouncing Bettys]

I can't condone violence over words, no matter how disagreeable or disgusting those comments may be. Cracking an egg over someone's head is physical assault. This kid gave the terrorist the response he was looking for.

[Manic!]

I can't condone violence over words, no matter how disagreeable or disgusting those comments may be. Cracking an egg over someone's head is physical assault. This kid gave the terrorist the response he was looking for.

He was looking to start a race war and unit all white people. This is white on white crime. It did the opposite of what he wanted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCwneiF-Y1E

can't solve racism with a gat
But this is where my head's at get 'em with a jack back

[CharlesInCharge]

Is there a populated comment section in Canadian news to see how Canadians are reacting to this. Lots of censorship.

There's a large backing of this terrorist act on the internets... people are literately giving each-other high's in the privacy of their homes.

[Hondaracer]

I think people would care more about these events if they didn’t fucking politicize every single fucking thing

Twitter is full of comments re: trump and conservatives, like fuck off

[Manic!]

I think people would care more about these events if they didn’t fucking politicize every single fucking thing

Twitter is full of comments re: trump and conservatives, like fuck off

Well the shooter did praised trump. Trump also said he had a lot of tought people on his side. this guy is one of them.

[Berzerker]

If one was to ask how he became radicalized I think you have to look no further than Paris.

For someone with a claimed love for Europe and his Eu heritage, it doesn't take much to see how someone could make a connection of Muslims being a bad thing and being in his eyes "invaders"

https://youtu.be/Q5cA1bC8J1k

Berz out.

[Manic!]

If one was to ask how he became radicalized I think you have to look no further than Paris.

For someone with a claimed love for Europe and his Eu heritage, it doesn't take much to see how someone could make a connection of Muslims being a bad thing and being in his eyes "invaders"

https://youtu.be/Q5cA1bC8J1k

Berz out.

That video is complete B.S.

[Hondaracer]

Fake news right? Spin dat shit #Politics

[Manic!]

Fake news right? Spin dat shit #Politics

Do you know where that video is from. I could take a video of the tent city in Nanaimo and claim it was a Muslim hoard that invaded Nanaimo and set up camp.

Lets see the date, time and location that video was taken.

[Berzerker]

Do you know where that video is from. I could take a video of the tent city in Nanaimo and claim it was a Muslim hoard that invaded Nanaimo and set up camp.

Lets see the date, time and location that video was taken.

https://youtu.be/56b_rmUHUg4

Now I know he's a bit of a controversial person but, France is no longer the France it was a few years ago. This no one can deny.

My point in this isn't to debate your opinion on the matter but to point out how a person could be swayed by a sense of nationalism or loyalty to act out towards a particular group who is seen as causing harm to a way of life or country.

Berz out.

[iwantaskyline]

I don't really care if that video of Paris is real or not but you can go down East Hastings, take a similar 5 min video and say white people ruined Vancouver if you want to be a xenophobic dumbass.

[PeanutButter]

I don't really care if that video of Paris is real or not but you can go down East Hastings, take a similar 5 min video and say white people ruined Vancouver if you want to be a xenophobic dumbass.

Yeah, the difference is, if you go on East Hastings, no one is going to harass you. Everyone on Hastings minds their own damn business. I volunteer once a month on E. hastings at a church/food shelter and I never get harassed. People just do their own shit. Granted i've seen people shoot up or people tripping out in their own world, but no one ever says anything to me. Sometimes i'm in a collared shirt because I go right after work, so I look like a half decent middle class male in slacks and a collared shirt and I still don't get harassed.

That shit in Paris is totally believable. If true, that is horrendous.

[Hondaracer]

Nice and southern France is a cess pool of refugees from Northern Africa. I’d say this is virtually idisputable.

I was first there in 2014 and the problem was evident. My parents went at the start of 2016 and said they would never go back after witnessing 3 different “robberies” essentially

Some people are truly fucked. Their political association or pregidouses are irrelevant compared to their mental issues. However a lot of these ideals are being formed by people who are seeing this shit come to their communities like in southern France (I know nothing of the NZ situation so I’m not sure if immigration and refugees are truly an issue there or not.)

[iwantaskyline]

Yeah, the difference is, if you go on East Hastings, no one is going to harass you. Everyone on Hastings minds their own damn business. I volunteer once a month on E. hastings at a church/food shelter and I never get harassed. People just do their own shit. Granted i've seen people shoot up or people tripping out in their own world, but no one ever says anything to me. Sometimes i'm in a collared shirt because I go right after work, so I look like a half decent middle class male in slacks and a collared shirt and I still don't get harassed.

That shit in Paris is totally believable. If true, that is horrendous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKXrpRrj7Ow

Top search result for a recent Paris travel video, wow looks absolutely beautiful!

The point was you can't determine the safety or make up of a city on youtube videos that can be altered in any way the maker wants.

[Harvey Specter]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/030/013/scaled.php?1260338978

[Manic!]

https://youtu.be/56b_rmUHUg4

Now I know he's a bit of a controversial person but, France is no longer the France it was a few years ago. This no one can deny.

My point in this isn't to debate your opinion on the matter but to point out how a person could be swayed by a sense of nationalism or loyalty to act out towards a particular group who is seen as causing harm to a way of life or country.

Berz out.

Really some alt right commentator on youtube. he uses the most of the same video clips from the other video.

Pic from Paris in the last 24 hours.

https://1v1d1e1lmiki1lgcvx32p49h8fe-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/1543113202-paris-protest-960x540.png

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/181208164030-yellow-vests-digital-video-exlarge-169.jpg

Look at all those crazy white people setting stuff on fire. We should ban all white people from Europe from coming here and send all the ones living here back.

European white people just can't control themselves.

[SkinnyPupp]

I knew this thread would turn this way eventually. I was wondering who the first "well, he had a point" person would be FailFish

[Hondaracer]

People protesting gas taxes and an ever increasing personal tax? Sounds appealing to me honestly. The only thing preventing B.C. from protesting in a similar matter imo is the absentee owners.

[Hondaracer]

I knew this thread would turn this way eventually. I was wondering who the first "well, he had a point" person would be FailFish

He didn’t have a point. He’s the ultimate peice of shit. Literally no one is worse than these people, somone who murders 40+ people in pre-meditated cold blood is far worse than the serial rapist who killed 4 teenage girls, the guy who killed 5 hookers, hell hes worse than willy pikton.

He isn’t bad however because he mentioned trump, or because he’s perceived as “conservative” or right wing.

The politicization of events like these literally defines the breakdown of society and any rational thinking/analysis of these events.

When you relate anything like this with an ideology you paint such large swatches of society with the same brush that OF COURSE people start thinking the same way. People are too fucking dumb not too.

[Manic!]

People protesting gas taxes and an ever increasing personal tax? Sounds appealing to me honestly. The only thing preventing B.C. from protesting in a similar matter imo is the absentee owners.

So that''s a good reason to burn down buildings? Including a 7 story apartment building that was set on fire injuring 11?

Muslims are some of the most hated people in the world right now and the orange orangutan used them as a scapegoat to get elected.

[Acura604]

the shooter wants to be a living 'martyr'... you can bet there will be copycat attacks by both groups of 'fanatics' and 'terrorists'. the world is really messed up now and i really don't think there is a way out.

[SkinnyPupp]

He didn’t have a point. He’s the ultimate peice of shit. Literally no one is worse than these people, somone who murders 40+ people in pre-meditated cold blood is far worse than the serial rapist who killed 4 teenage girls, the guy who killed 5 hookers, hell hes worse than willy pikton.

He isn’t bad however because he mentioned trump, or because he’s perceived as “conservative” or right wing.

The politicization of events like these literally defines the breakdown of society and any rational thinking/analysis of these events.

When you relate anything like this with an ideology you paint such large swatches of society with the same brush that OF COURSE people start thinking the same way. People are too fucking dumb not too.
I totally agree with you on not wanting to blanket actions with politicism. People bring up Trump far too often whenever they complain about things like extreme white supremacy and women's rights, etc.

However you have to admit that he has kind of become a defacto symbol of hate that is used by both sides. Other things have become these symbols, whether on purpose or otherwise.

The 'circle game' or 'ok sign' used to be an innocuous thing that people did without thinking twice about it. Then the racist trolls took at and made a meme that it actually means 'white power'. This of course led to 'the other side' looking for cases of people doing it, and trying to apply the symbol to them (some cases they might have an argument, in most cases they probably didn't).

The point is, these people took that symbol and turned it into a bomb that could be used by them both ways. "Oh look at htese crazy SJWs, they see people doing the OK sign and think it's racist. LOL here's a picture of Obama doing it. Your so dum lol"

And because they react, it continues and swells into an actual sign of hate, as we saw recently with this idiot.

Other things have gone this way too - pepe memes, the 'proud boys' name which started as a joke. You want to dismiss it, because a lot of times it actually is just kids and shitheads trying to be edgy. But eventually, it takes a life of its own. Meanings evolve and change over time, so get with it.

[Manic!]

Hey Welfare thanks for failing me again. How are your mass shooting plans coming along?

[Yodamaster]

I totally agree with you on not wanting to blanket actions with politicism. People bring up Trump far too often whenever they complain about things like extreme white supremacy and women's rights, etc.

However you have to admit that he has kind of become a defacto symbol of hate that is used by both sides. Other things have become these symbols, whether on purpose or otherwise.

The 'circle game' or 'ok sign' used to be an innocuous thing that people did without thinking twice about it. Then the racist trolls took at and made a meme that it actually means 'white power'. This of course led to 'the other side' looking for cases of people doing it, and trying to apply the symbol to them (some cases they might have an argument, in most cases they probably didn't).

The point is, these people took that symbol and turned it into a bomb that could be used by them both ways. "Oh look at htese crazy SJWs, they see people doing the OK sign and think it's racist. LOL here's a picture of Obama doing it. Your so dum lol"

And because they react, it continues and swells into an actual sign of hate, as we saw recently with this idiot.

Other things have gone this way too - pepe memes, the 'proud boys' name which started as a joke. You want to dismiss it, because a lot of times it actually is just kids and shitheads trying to be edgy. But eventually, it takes a life of its own. Meanings evolve and change over time, so get with it.


The OK symbol was nothing more than an appeal to 4chan, the guy was basically a walking meme, he was blasting Initial D eurobeat as he was getting away and actually said "subscribe to Pewdiepie" ffs. One of his rifles had "this machine kills muslims (or immigrants iirc)" written on it, that's a play at Fallout New Vegas of all things. I wouldn't take much of what he does now very seriously.

[SkinnyPupp]

The OK symbol was nothing more than an appeal to 4chan, the guy was basically a walking meme, he was blasting Initial D eurobeat as he was getting away and actually said "subscribe to Pewdiepie" ffs. One of his rifles had "this machine kills muslims (or immigrants iirc)" written on it, that's a play at Fallout New Vegas of all things. I wouldn't take much of what he does now very seriously.
Thanks for proving my point SeemsGood

[Yodamaster]

Thanks for proving my point SeemsGood

The OK gesture is not a hate symbol, it's an OK gesture that means OK. Some memelords on a Mongolian knitting forum don't change that.

[SkinnyPupp]

The OK gesture is not a hate symbol, it's an OK gesture that means OK. Some memelords on a Mongolian knitting forum don't change that.
Thanks again...

You can't just say "it's not a hate symbol, they are just geeks" when they go and kill 50 people :fulloffuck:

[Yodamaster]

Thanks again...

You can't just say "it's not a hate symbol, they are just geeks" when they go and kill 50 people :fulloffuck:

I can, because hundreds of thousands of people (if not millions or billions) in history up until now have used it to signify "OK", and a single manlet doesn't change that because he was angry about his penis. That's a hell of a ratio, it's almost like the meaning it's held forever is still relevant.

Are you saying I'm a racist because I use it all the time? Because I do, and I don't give a shit if you think it means otherwise.

[SkinnyPupp]

I can, because hundreds of thousands of people (if not millions or billions) in history up until now have used it to signify "OK", and a single manlet doesn't change that because he was angry about his penis. That's a hell of a ratio, it's almost like the meaning it's held forever is still relevant.

Are you saying I'm a racist because I use it all the time? Because I do, and I don't give a shit if you think it means otherwise.
It's not a single person. And it's not that it isn't ALSO and ORIGINALLY an "OK" sign.

But there is a culture of racism and hatred, and they're using symbols like that, the frog, trump, etc. That was the whole point of the post. That is where this dickbag comes from. He's not just some single crazy dude who came up with a brilliant idea on his own. He is part of a culture of hatred and racism. They're using shit like this to be able to 'get away with it'. They are literally trolling while at the same time going on killing sprees or other violent attacks, like running protesters over with cars.

And no, I am not calling you or Barack Obama a white supremacist for using the OK sign. You are literally falling for what they're doing by "taking" the symbol. It's actually pretty interesting to see this happening before my eyes.

[Yodamaster]

It's not a single person. And it's not that it isn't ALSO and ORIGINALLY an "OK" sign.

But there is a culture of racism and hatred, and they're using symbols like that, the frog, trump, etc. That was the whole point of the post.

And no, I am not calling you or Barack Obama a white supremacist for using the OK sign.

You are literally falling for what they're doing by "taking" the symbol. It's actually pretty interesting to see this happening before my eyes.


If I was falling for what they're doing, I'd be agreeing with it being a hate symbol.

I reject the entire notion that it "may" have a dual purpose because doing so only serves to legitimize that idea. This is also why they are blurring out his face, publicly acknowledging subversive ideas and shitty people only popularizes them and legitimizes them.

[SkinnyPupp]

If I was falling for what they're doing, I'd be agreeing with it being a hate symbol.

I reject the entire notion that it "may" have a dual purpose because doing so only serves to legitimize that idea. This is also why they are blurring out his face, publicly acknowledging subversive ideas and shitty people only popularizes them and legitimizes them.
No, by falling for what they're doing, you're passing off everything they do as "just kids being silly". When clearly it's not. "Oh look, he referenced video games lol". But there's actually a lot of racism ingrained into gaming culture as well.

As for what to do about it, I have no idea. But the first step is to just stop treating white terrorism as "just crazy kids being crazy" and not taking it as seriously as organized terrorism.

[iwantaskyline]

No, by falling for what they're doing, you're passing off everything they do as "just kids being silly". When clearly it's not. "Oh look, he referenced video games" lol. But there's actually a lot of racism ingrained into gaming culture as well.

As for what to do about it, I have no idea. But the first step is to just stop treating white terrorism as "just crazy kids being crazy" and not taking it as seriously as organized terrorism.

It's the beginning of something very frightening. Organized terrorism that isn't formed in the traditional regional/country setting like the IRA, Al Qaeda or ISIS but in online communities.

[SkinnyPupp]

It's the beginning of something very frightening. Organized terrorism that isn't formed in the traditional regional/country setting like the IRA, Al Qaeda or ISIS but in online communities.
In fact it is probably organized the same way a lot of sects of 'organized' terrorism is... Anonymous message boards, spreading the hate and just piling on. One group might talk about religious infidelity when hating, while another group might be using memes and inside jokes to make their point.

[Manic!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlAzRTv5bPg

[Bouncing Bettys]

No, by falling for what they're doing, you're passing off everything they do as "just kids being silly". When clearly it's not. "Oh look, he referenced video games lol". But there's actually a lot of racism ingrained into gaming culture as well.

As for what to do about it, I have no idea. But the first step is to just stop treating white terrorism as "just crazy kids being crazy" and not taking it as seriously as organized terrorism.
What would you consider ingrained racism in gaming culture and how does it translate to real acts of violence?

You have no idea how to deal with it, but you have first steps for dealing with it? Stop treating it at anything less than organised terrorism? What does that entail? What steps are you willing to take? What powers are you willling to give to get the results you are looking for? What rights are you willing to give up?

[SkinnyPupp]

What would you consider ingrained racism in gaming culture and how does it translate to real acts of violence?

You have no idea how to deal with it, but you have first steps for dealing with it? Stop treating it at anything less than organised terrorism? What does that entail? What steps are you willing to take? What powers are you willling to give to get the results you are looking for? What rights are you willing to give up?
How do we treat other "extremists" or otherwise potential terrorists?

[iwantaskyline]

I can, because hundreds of thousands of people (if not millions or billions) in history up until now have used it to signify "OK", and a single manlet doesn't change that because he was angry about his penis. That's a hell of a ratio, it's almost like the meaning it's held forever is still relevant.

Are you saying I'm a racist because I use it all the time? Because I do, and I don't give a shit if you think it means otherwise.

The Swastika was used as a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian religions for thousands of years until the Nazi's took it as their own and since then it is recognized as a hate symbol.

[MG1]

Except it's backwards as a Buddhist symbol - the lines go in the other direction (Left facing vs right facing). There are some headstones at Mountainview Cemetery that has the Buddhist symbol on it. I imagine a lot of people who see it aren't impressed and can't see the difference, but the markers are still there.

Oddly enough, the Hindu version is the opposite. Anyway...............





god bless............

[Hondaracer]

BrokeBackThe Swastika was used as a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian religions for thousands of years until the Nazi's took it as their own and since then it is recognized as a hate symbol.

A symbol adopted by a world super power determined to take over the world = 4 Chan memes :badpokerface:

This shit is literally the definition of left wing craziness. Get somthing in your head and push it as hard as humanly possible until it makes sense to you and other likeminded people.

People that are far left are even worse than the right wing people these days because there is zero room for any sort of discussion or rational thinking

[SkinnyPupp]

What's funny is that we're tying to have a discussion with rational thinking, and only a few people here are bringing up "left wing craziness"

LUL

[iwantaskyline]

BrokeBack

A symbol adopted by a world super power determined to take over the world = 4 Chan memes :badpokerface:

This shit is literally the definition of left wing craziness. Get somthing in your head and push it as hard as humanly possible until it makes sense to you and other likeminded people.

People that are far left are even worse than the right wing people these days because there is zero room for any sort of discussion or rational thinking

I was making a point about how the meaning of symbols can change and be interpreted differently from their original meaning. Which by the way is adding to the discussion. Anyone with half a brain can understand that.

[Yodamaster]

No, by falling for what they're doing, you're passing off everything they do as "just kids being silly". When clearly it's not. "Oh look, he referenced video games lol". But there's actually a lot of racism ingrained into gaming culture as well.

As for what to do about it, I have no idea. But the first step is to just stop treating white terrorism as "just crazy kids being crazy" and not taking it as seriously as organized terrorism.

The act of terrorism does not correlate with race at all, I'm not sure how you reached the conclusion that it did. Last time I checked, anyone from any background or reasoning could blow up a bus or kill 50 people.

4/8chan IS meme culture, so unless you're willing to never use as much as an emoji again and instruct your friends to do the same, you won't be accomplishing much. If the argument is that the needle in the haystack was spawned from 4/8chan, and subsequently 4/8chan must be taken seriously, then this board might as well remove every available meme from the emoji board. By that logic, using them only furthers the culture that the same online people you are referencing created to spawn this asshole.

If you aren't willing to do that, then you must not take that culture very seriously.

[Hondaracer]

A) it’s not even the same symbol.

B) were comparing a symbol adopted by an entire countries regime, virtually akin with the countries flag to an internet meme that was created for satire and to essentially trick people like you into getting your panties in a twist.

This would be nothing if it wasn’t churned up by the media into some symbol of hate all the while the people involved in getting it covered are probably laughing their asses off into how gullible/stupid the mainstream media is. It also goes to show that the majority of people who report these stories have absolutely no idea how “internet culture”

Imo the media is what turns it into the symbol people perceive it as, it’s not like people are going out and beating random Islamic people and then spray painting their faces and homes with the �� symbol. It would be -nothing- if the media didn’t create it.

[Manic!]

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1957063751235865

https://www.citynews1130.com/2019/03/17/chilliwack-school-trustee-defends-video-linking-islam-to-violence/

CHILLIWACK (NEWS 1130) – An almost two-year-old video featuring a Chilliwack school trustee is being called racist and Islamophobic after resurfacing in the wake of New Zealand’s terrorist attack that left 50 people — the majority of them Muslims — dead.

In the over 20 minute long video titled “Allah & Yahweh: The Same God?” trustee Darrell Furgason links Islam to violence and says Muslims need to be “freed” from their religion. He also pits Christianity against Islam and says the two religions could never co-exist.

“In Islam there’s no real democracy, restricted freedom, limited rights. Christianity can produce a healthy democracy if the righteous are in authority,” Furgason says in part of the video.

[iwantaskyline]

A) it’s not even the same symbol.

Thank you Sherlock.

B) were comparing a symbol adopted by an entire countries regime, virtually akin with the countries flag to an internet meme that was created for satire and to essentially trick people like you into getting your panties in a twist.

Nobody said anything about the "OK" gesture being the equivalent of the Swastika. Don't get your panties twisted. The discussion was that white supremacists have taken that gesture and turned it into a sign to symbolize White Power. They took a harmless symbol and turned it into their own.

Does that mean nobody can use that gesture anymore? No. It's all up for context just like how a Buddhist temple can have the same Swastika symbol on their front door and not get in trouble for hate symbols.



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[SkinnyPupp]

Exactly. I'm not saying that the OK sign is the new "nazi salute". But to some people it is. I'm not saying this guy FeelsGoodMan is the symbol of white power, but to some people it is. The tiki torch is not a Nazi swastika, but to some people it is. And to my original point, I'm not saying Trump is Hitler. But to some people, he is.

And these people are organized, just not in the traditional way with a leader, etc. They are basically a non religious cult. They will do this shit to impress each other, and from that comes extremists like this guy.

"oh but they're just stupid meme lords, and this was just a crazy one"

Give me a fucking break.

btw I bet I can tell you who the Jordan Peterson fans are in here EleGiggle

[Yodamaster]

Exactly. I'm not saying that the OK sign is the new "nazi salute". But to some people it is. I'm not saying this guy FeelsGoodMan is the symbol of white power, but to some people it is. The tiki torch is not a Nazi swastika, but to some people it is. And to my original point, I'm not saying Trump is Hitler. But to some people, he is.

And these people are organized, just not in the traditional way with a leader, etc. They are basically a non religious cult. They will do this shit to impress each other, and from that comes extremists like this guy.

"oh but they're just stupid meme lords, and this was just a crazy one"

Give me a fucking break.

btw I bet I can tell you who the Jordan Peterson fans are in here EleGiggle

You haven't made your idea of how to combat any of this any clearer. So far, all anyone has is that some guy killed a shitload of innocent people, and he had a fascination with memes and a hatred for outsiders (which isn't unique). How that makes anyone but him a direct threat to anything is beyond reaching, and at worst is borderline irresponsible.

Are you under the assumption that sites like 4chan are directly responsible for these kinds of attacks? If that's what you're saying, then you are attaching a definite conclusion to a site that is completely anonymous and without any kind of user data collection. Literally anyone could be posting racist garbage, you can't see who they are, so how can you conclude that they aren't just basement dwelling assholes? It could be the reverse, with the truth being that 4chan is the internet version of Al Qaeda, with hardened terrorists ready to strike the world at will. A hundred posts could in fact represent one person.

The actual truth is that it's not physically possible to say, so the best anyone has is that it was a deranged individual who took things too literally.

[StylinRed]

I did not realize the ok symbol is being adopted as a racist symbol...ive really been out of it lately wow!

I always use the ok symbol to things my gf says, and she thinks the ok symbol means anal sex lmao

[SkinnyPupp]

You haven't made your idea of how to combat any of this any clearer. So far, all anyone has is that some guy killed a shitload of innocent people, and he had a fascination with memes and a hatred for outsiders (which isn't unique). How that makes anyone but him a direct threat to anything is beyond reaching, and at worst is borderline irresponsible.

Are you under the assumption that sites like 4chan are directly responsible for these kinds of attacks? If that's what you're saying, then you are attaching a definite conclusion to a site that is completely anonymous and without any kind of user data collection. Literally anyone could be posting racist garbage, you can't see who they are, so how can you conclude that they aren't just basement dwelling assholes? It could be the reverse, with the truth being that 4chan is the internet version of Al Qaeda, with hardened terrorists ready to strike the world at will. A hundred posts could in fact represent one person.

The actual truth is that it's not physically possible to say, so the best anyone has is that it was a deranged individual who took things too literally.
Not sure how anything I said led you to the conclusion that 4chan is directly responsible for terror attacks, or that video games are as another person tried to say.

All I am saying is to be aware that there are types of terrorists that aren't just brown-skinned beard-donning religious zealots. There are pimple faced neckbeard having meme zealots too. Whether they're on 4chan or some other site I have no idea, but they're out there, they're trolling, and once in a while one goes and does something like this. I group incels in with them too, and they've done many attacks like this as well.

As for how to combat it, if I had the answer, you can be sure I would let the president of earth know about it, so all problems could be solved.

Maybe we've just been fighting against hatred in one form or another since enlightenment, and it's going to continue until the vast majority can just accept people for who they are - other people - and not spew hatred. The first step may be for people like you to stop assuming that one form of hatred is much less dangerous than another, just because bibles or scary sounding names like al quaeda aren't involved.

[Hondaracer]

It sounds like you really don’t know where you stand on any of that. All your posts have just been these broad generalistions with zero substance.

Seems like having an opinion is offensive as well these days? :badpokerface:

[SkinnyPupp]

It's funny, you're looking for me to make some outrageous claim so you can attack it with rhetoric. Not going to happen LUL

I may be wrong about my points, and I can totally be convinced of that. I listen to everyone who is willing to speak intelligently. All I see are baseless attacks and logical fallacy though.

[SkinnyPupp]

Here, let's have one of these fuckwads spell it out for you:

https://twitter.com/BadConservart/status/1107358449967529985

This literal idiot has figured out what all this shit means, and is explaining it to the other morons... A lot of them are already in the know, but now people his IQ and lower will be in on it too. And so on.

I bet it won't be long until I hear some little shit repeat that line in the lobby in an upcoming Apex Legends game.

[SkinnyPupp]

Oh also from a few weeks or months ago, so this line has been used for a while now:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D134AcZU0AAd3Rm.jpg

Like Trump, pewdiepie has no choice. He is now a symbol of hate and racism. Well he's probably racist anyway based on some shit he's done LUL

[Manic!]

Newzealand is banning the sale and ownership of all semi autos. In America, people would be upset because people are talking about gun control and the bodies are not even buried yet or some other B.S. excuss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjqxEbvig5U


You can still buy bump stocks in the states. The ban starts on the 26th. I will be a felony to own one after that date. Who the hell is going to own something for a week and then turn it into the government?



Ar-15 bump stock with a 50 round drum magazine on sale for only $309.
I bet people are stocking up.

https://www.rwarms.com/products/slide-fire-bump-stock-x-15-drum-kit/

[iwantaskyline]

It's pretty effective in what they've created. They have weaponized the trolling culture and its use of irony to create a hall of mirrors surrounding such “memes".

If they are persecuted they can simply retreat to a “free speech” defense which is what memes like the “OK sign” are designed to do.

A guy on twitter posting "OK sign" or Pepe the frog memes to promote white supremacy isn't going to get in the same trouble as a guy posting radical Islamic ideologies.

[Manic!]

According to tim pool if someone is doing the ok symbol it's ok to hit him in the nuts. It's a game white people play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52APBQy1Olk&t=7s

[Berzerker]

Only if it's below the waist.

Berz out.

[PeanutButter]

Did anyone here NOT play the okay below the waist game?

I used to play this game ALL the time!

[Bouncing Bettys]

Did anyone here NOT play the okay below the waist game?

I used to play this game ALL the time!
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ImaginativeEarlyCaribou-size_restricted.gif

[quasi]

Did anyone here NOT play the okay below the waist game?

I used to play this game ALL the time!

I was going to say, this was a thing before the internet even existed. Dumb? Totally but when I was a teenager we'd do this shit. Would I do it as a 40 year old man today? No.

I can't comment on the poopy pie or shit sandwich or whatever name that streamer goes by, got no experience with it.

[Berzerker]

I was going to say, this was a thing before the internet even existed. Dumb? Totally but when I was a teenager we'd do this shit. Would I do it as a 40 year old man today? No.

You need better friends.

Berz out.

[quasi]

You need better friends.

Berz out.

Agreed, preferably some with big tits and low self esteem.

[SkinnyPupp]

Did anyone here NOT play the okay below the waist game?

I used to play this game ALL the time!
I only ever heard about it a few years ago.. I kept seeing videos referring to it, but I had no idea wtf it was about (this was before the WP controversy)

When I was a kid we'd play punch buggy and probably some other ones, but I don't recall this one

[Raid3n]

iirc it's a game called asshole. cause the person that gets you is an asshole cause they're going to punch you in the arm and you call them as such haha.

[Hondaracer]

Nah it’s called Nazi memelord now

Hopefully here aren’t any pictures of you doing it back in 2002.

[Manic!]

Guy wears a maga hat to a vigil at York University.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSfdefZ4NKU

[SiRV]

I hope someone shanks that guy


Edit: no harm intended, just making a reference to a video game I used to play as a teenager

[Berzerker]

I hope someone shanks that guy


Edit: no harm intended, just making a reference to a video game I used to play as a teenager

Hopefully you have your knife out when you run to do it. Everyone knows you run faster with a knife out.

Berz out.

[originalhypa]

According to tim pool if someone is doing the ok symbol it's ok to hit him in the nuts. It's a game white people play.


When I was in Nanaimo, I actually considered sending you a message to meet up. You've been around for a while, and I wanted to meet Manic. But it's shit like this that kept me from contacting you for a pint or a coffee. Your utter hatred of white people is evident in about half of your posts, and honestly, it's pretty gross.

[Manic!]

When I was in Nanaimo, I actually considered sending you a message to meet up. You've been around for a while, and I wanted to meet Manic. But it's shit like this that kept me from contacting you for a pint or a coffee. Your utter hatred of white people is evident in about half of your posts, and honestly, it's pretty gross.

Seriously brown people don't punch each other in the nuts. You punch a brown guy in the nuts and a good chance you will get punched back. There are somethings white people do that other minority don't understand and there are a lot of things minorities do that white people don't understand.

Did you seriously bunch your buddies in the nuts when you where in Nanaimo?

[Hondaracer]

Brown guys just blind side strangers on Granville leaving them with brain injuries

[SkinnyPupp]

When I was in Nanaimo, I actually considered sending you a message to meet up. You've been around for a while, and I wanted to meet Manic. But it's shit like this that kept me from contacting you for a pint or a coffee. Your utter hatred of white people is evident in about half of your posts, and honestly, it's pretty gross.
He is completely out of touch with reality, living in a bubble. I remember he told me it wasn't possible that I had brown friends in growing up riding BMX bikes with me because he knows all the brown people in Nanaimo and they don't do that :fulloffuck:

[SkunkWorks]

Brown guys just blind side strangers on Granville leaving them with brain injuries

https://66.media.tumblr.com/ce1d2e5ac75e04f670a36994054326bc/tumblr_mo0ozuwqQw1s4xdz1o1_250.gif

[Mancini]

Lets face it most westerners are dumb down and easily manipulated for empire building. Think Canada is safe? Same shit, different pile.

I think you meant “dumbed down”. Pot, kettle.

[RRxtar]

Manic is brown?

Does that mean Im a racist white supremacist now if I think he's an idiot?

[SkinnyPupp]

Manic is brown?

Does that mean Im a racist white supremacist now if I think he's an idiot?
Careful not to trip over your own cleverness SeemsGood

[quasi]

Seriously brown people don't punch each other in the nuts. You punch a brown guy in the nuts and a good chance you will get punched back. There are somethings white people do that other minority don't understand and there are a lot of things minorities do that white people don't understand.

Did you seriously bunch your buddies in the nuts when you where in Nanaimo?

For the record I don't know what was said on that podcast but you don't punch them in the nuts you punch them in the arm or shoulder when you catch someone looking below the waste with that gesture.

Now if I asked you the capital of Thailand and you didn't know it I'm going to yell BANGKOK! and punch/slap you in the dick probably dropping you to your knees. You'll only ever get someone once with this game. I couldn't even get my 12 year old with this one, everybody knows this one so chances of surprising anyone are slim.


Edit: Ok I just watched the video you posted, when he describes the game he actually says they punch people in the arm. I don't know where you came up with people punching others in the balls with this game.

https://youtu.be/52APBQy1Olk?t=301

[Raid3n]

^
i don't think i ever played a game as a kid where you punch each other in the dick.

[CivicBlues]

What the fuck are you guys even arguing about in this thread? Kicking people in the nuts?

Sounds like something from this ancient episode of South Park
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwA8V6hcqQo

[mikemhg]

This thread is a prime example of what's wrong with the world right now. Everything is so damn polarized.

An asshole live streams a murder of 50 people based on racist ideals, killing people simply because of their race or religious background. An utter and complete tragedy. Yet we have posters in this thread either defending the guy, or arguing whether or not alt-right "memes" and dog whistling even exists in the first place.

Fucking strange.

No, we never played a game called "OK" where we kicked each other in the nuts. Why has this thread diverged into that stupid topic?

Dog whistling has been around for eons, those dog whistles change and alter as does the culture, whether it be the iron cross, swastika, etc.

People nowadays are being more held accountable for their words and actions in the public. This will only further encourage folks with those types of esoteric views to use subterfuge and double meanings in order to espouse their true feelings and values, aka the OK sign, Pepe meme, and so forth.

[Hondaracer]

And I’d argue that people are only being held more accountable publically so those doing the holding can further their own political agendas.

It’s a big fucking circle

[Bouncing Bettys]

I was wondering if anyone was going to create a thread or even discuss the Easter bombing attacks on Christians/Westerners at several churches and upscale hotels in Sri Lanka which killed over 320 people. Well Sri Lanka's defense minister is reporting that the attack was a direct response to the New Zealand mass shooting at 2 mosques. Given the time needed to plan such attacks, this was likely planed before NZ and they just used it as justification.

Sri Lanka bombings were response to Christchurch shooting, says defence minister
Sri Lanka bombings were response to Christchurch shooting, says defence minister
Michael Safi

Michael Safi

This from the Guardian’s South Asia correspondent, who is in Negombo, Sri Lanka.

The Easter Sunday attacks that killed more than 320 people in Sri Lanka were a response to the mass shooting at a mosque in Christchurch in March, Sri Lanka’s minister of state for defence has told the country’s parliament.

Ruwan Wijewardene told a special sitting of the national body on Tuesday afternoon that investigations had shown “this attack was carried out in retaliation for the attack against Muslims in Christchurch”, he said. The minister presented no evidence for the claim.

An intelligence memo circulated to some in government in the weeks before the attack noted that one member of the terrorist group identified as having perpetrated the bombings had started to update his social media accounts “with extremist content” in the aftermath of the shootings by a rightwing-extremist in New Zealand who killed 50 people.

But terrorism researchers have said the sophisticated nature of the attack and the equipment used would likely have required months of preparation, including conditioning the suicide bombers and testing the explosives.

Wijewardene also told parliament that the death toll had climbed to 321 people including 38 foreigners, and reiterated that the prime minister and other key officials were never told about the possibility of an impending attack.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2019/apr/23/sri-lanka-bombings-attacks-live-news?page=with:block-5cbeca4e8f085bb0e0de68b3#block-5cbeca4e8f085bb0e0de68b3

Waking up Easter Sunday morning to all but one media outlet reporting details of the attacks including churches, upscale hotels, Christians, Easter Mass, or Westerners. That one outlet refusing to share those details by noon was none other than the CBC. They were still wondering if the Tamil Tigers had been built up again. Given their recent SJW White-man guilt slant on everything, I couldn't help but wonder why they would be slow to give such details.

[Manic!]

I was wondering if anyone was going to create a thread or even discuss the Easter bombing attacks on Christians/Westerners at several churches and upscale hotels in Sri Lanka which killed over 320 people. Well Sri Lanka's defense minister is reporting that the attack was a direct response to the New Zealand mass shooting at 2 mosques. Given the time needed to plan such attacks, this was likely planed before NZ and they just used it as justification.

Sri Lanka bombings were response to Christchurch shooting, says defence minister


Waking up Easter Sunday morning to all but one media outlet reporting details of the attacks including churches, upscale hotels, Christians, Easter Mass, or Westerners. That one outlet refusing to share those details by noon was none other than the CBC. They were still wondering if the Tamil Tigers had been built up again. Given their recent SJW White-man guilt slant on everything, I couldn't help but wonder why they would be slow to give such details.


Maybe the Roman catholic church that's worth 30 billion should use some of that money the help these poor people out instead of begging for money to rebuild a church in France.

[CivicBlues]

Waking up Easter Sunday morning to all but one media outlet reporting details of the attacks including churches, upscale hotels, Christians, Easter Mass, or Westerners. That one outlet refusing to share those details by noon was none other than the CBC. They were still wondering if the Tamil Tigers had been built up again. Given their recent SJW White-man guilt slant on everything, I couldn't help but wonder why they would be slow to give such details.

If this is true, then all I see here is a left-leaning news organization and a right-leaning Revscene poster trying to use a tragedy and make a political point. :stfu:

[Bouncing Bettys]

If this is true, then all I see here is a left-leaning news organization and a right-leaning Revscene poster trying to use a tragedy and make a political point. :stfu:

Do me a favour and try to picture the DVD logo as it finally reaches the very bottom left corner of the TV. That is about where I have consistently landed on the Political Compass test, in the Libertarian Left quadrant. Describing me as right-leaning is laughable given my politics, my voting history, and my support of the CBC (I'm a member of the CBC fan page on FB meant to keep it funded.) How absurd of me to demand the CBC do its job and report the facts. How absurd to see their politicizing of yet another tragedy as offensive and expect better from them.

Maybe the Roman catholic church that's worth 30 billion should use some of that money the help you deal with opinions you don't like. Or is that also using a tragedy to make a political point? You're right, do continue discussing the tragic events in Sri Lanka and homage to the victims like everyone else. Don't let the crickets distract you.

[jasonturbo]

We're just a bunch of stupid monkeys trying our best to rationalize the extremely complex society we've created for ourselves.

[quasi]

We're just a bunch of stupid monkeys trying our best to rationalize the extremely complex society we've created for ourselves.


https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/157/122/f.gif



It's really not but I just wanted to jump to a bullshit conclusion, pile on and add no real value to the thread. :)

[CivicBlues]

We're just a bunch of stupid monkeys trying our best to rationalize the extremely complex society we've created for ourselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW2hsNDtN0s

[Berzerker]

We're just a bunch of stupid monkeys trying our best to rationalize the extremely complex society we've created for ourselves.

We haven't created anything. Religion is the basis for most of the worlds problems, as it has been for thousands of years. The entire religious population is arguing and fighting about something that doesn't even exist. It's purely a belief that what one group believes is better than what someone else believes.
From an Atheist standpoint I can't even wrap my head around people being so brainwashed into thinking a God actually cares about what us humans are doing. Even more than that, anything you do on earth will affect where you "go" when you die.

Berz out.

[originalhypa]

We haven't created anything. Religion is the basis for most of the worlds problems, as it has been for thousands of years. The entire religious population is arguing and fighting about something that doesn't even exist. It's purely a belief that what one group believes is better than what someone else believes.
From an Atheist standpoint I can't even wrap my head around people being so brainwashed into thinking a God actually cares about what us humans are doing. Even more than that, anything you do on earth will affect where you "go" when you die.

Berz out.

I felt the same way for many years. After going to a private school, I turned my back on religion completely for about 20 years.

Fast forward to 2017 and we lose someone close to my family. When you have little kids with tears in their eyes asking you where someone went when they died, you can't just say "Poof, they're gone and in the dirt". It becomes a lot easier to explain to young people who lack the life experience that this person is in heaven looking down, or something like else that softens the blow.

Secondary to that, church itself can offer strength through a sense of family or equality. It gives people the opportunity to surround themselves with a group of like minded individuals.

Now, I'm not religious by any means. But like Jasonturbo said, I am starting to understand how a belief or faith can help you make sense of things. The problem is, like anything, you get these fucktards who come in and use it to further their own agenda, whether it's for business, power, or sex. That's when religion gets ugly.

[MarkyMark]

I don't know, I'm glad my parents didn't spew me some bullshit to soften the blow while I was a kid. You learn life isn't all Christmas presents and videogames, shit gets real sometimes and the sooner you learn that the better imo.

A family death is a very teachable moment for a child, instead you lie and tell them something you don't even believe yourself.

[Zedbra]

Maybe the Roman catholic church that's worth 30 billion should use some of that money the help these poor people out instead of begging for money to rebuild a church in France.

If this is true, then all I see here is a left-leaning news organization and a right-leaning Revscene poster trying to use a tragedy and make a political point. :stfu:

In a thread that illustrates how almost all humans have underlying hate, you have these examples of where our common empathy has sunk amongst humanity.

[twitchyzero]

instead you lie and tell them something you don't even believe yourself.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/b0ccb52bbb552f642a14e203bc2660cd/tenor.gif?itemid=9751403

[originalhypa]

I don't know, I'm glad my parents didn't spew me some bullshit to soften the blow while I was a kid. You learn life isn't all Christmas presents and videogames, shit gets real sometimes and the sooner you learn that the better imo.

Damn dude, you must be hard as fuck. I'm talking east van on the bus selling dope at 10 years old hard.

Or maybe you just don't remember because you were a kid and memories tend to become altered as we age. Or maybe you didn't suffer any major losses as a kid so you don't have any semblance of experience. Or maybe you don't have kids of your own, and are so out of touch with this type of reality that all you can offer is a different opinion. Or maybe you are being honest, and your parents couldn't provide you with the love and support that you may have appreciated.

The bottom line is that you come across as angry and bitter here, and that speaks volumes.


A family death is a very teachable moment for a child, instead you lie and tell them something you don't even believe yourself.

You're lying to yourself if you think that your belief is the correct belief. Who knows what happens after death? No one.... Anyone who has claimed to have had contact with the dead is labelled a nutjob. So yeah, I softened the blow of the sudden loss of a close family member. I just hope that if you're ever in the same situation that you will do your best to numb the intense pain of that loss.

[MarkyMark]

Damn dude, you must be hard as fuck. I'm talking east van on the bus selling dope at 10 years old hard.

With comedy like that in your arsenal I'm surprised you had to lie to your kids to lighten the mood.

Or maybe you just don't remember because you were a kid and memories tend to become altered as we age. Or maybe you didn't suffer any major losses as a kid so you don't have any semblance of experience. Or maybe you don't have kids of your own, and are so out of touch with this type of reality that all you can offer is a different opinion. Or maybe you are being honest, and your parents couldn't provide you with the love and support that you may have appreciated.

The bottom line is that you come across as angry and bitter here, and that speaks volumes.

I remember my grandpa dying when I was 8 and how sad everyone was and it fucking sucked. I also remember that I got over it at some point without some make believe story. If my parents not telling me that he's in heaven means they didn't love me then you have an unusual way of viewing things. Maybe they didn't believe in making excuses so I won't cry as much.


You're lying to yourself if you think that your belief is the correct belief. Who knows what happens after death? No one.... Anyone who has claimed to have had contact with the dead is labelled a nutjob. So yeah, I softened the blow of the sudden loss of a close family member. I just hope that if you're ever in the same situation that you will do your best to numb the intense pain of that loss.

Believe whatever you want, I'm commenting on the fact that you said you aren't religious and used religion to help your kids not deal with a tragedy.

Anyways I gotta get back to selling dope in East Van ttyl bruh.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

We haven't created anything. Religion is the basis for most of the worlds problems, as it has been for thousands of years. The entire religious population is arguing and fighting about something that doesn't even exist. It's purely a belief that what one group believes is better than what someone else believes.
From an Atheist standpoint I can't even wrap my head around people being so brainwashed into thinking a God actually cares about what us humans are doing. Even more than that, anything you do on earth will affect where you "go" when you die.

Berz out.

actually its not religion...

guaranteed if you moved away from religion, and more and more atheists popped up, people will just take extreme sides of philosophy and ideologies, who will also fight for things that "don't exist" (in the eyes of the other side, the other side is always worshiping some non existent reality).

anyways... i think i basically explained what is happening now.

people will kill each other over which religion they're tied with.

you don't think for a second if religions didnt exist... they'd kill each other for just which "side" they're on? whether its race, or political sides, or fucking ANYTHING?

you're always on a "side".

its not religion... it's just humans. Religions aint the problem. there is NO problem actually.

it's just an algorithm figuring out which sides have more of a hold in this world at this moment. the algorithm of human evolution.

killing each other is pretty much how we figure shit out really fast... eventually things that don't work, will fade.

believing in "things", and taking "sides", and killing each other, are probably never going to go away. It's kinda the core reason why humans are around in the first place... and why we've achieved so much in such a short time... To find universal truth. There can only be ONE universal truth, and damnit, you're wrong *shoots you*

[Mr.HappySilp]

Am I the only one here that isn't surprise by this? Maybe over the years there are just too many of these "Big events" that I just don't really care anymore unless it affect me/my family/relatives/friends directly. I mean yea it sucks this happen but the gov aren't doing anything major to try to prevent this from happening again. All I see is that if something like this happen again the PM or whoever just come and give a few speech to make it sound like they care but in reality it doens't seem like they care.

Or maybe I am too numb from what's happening that I don't just don't have any feelings for these type of events any longer.

[originalhypa]

With comedy like that in your arsenal I'm surprised you had to lie to your kids to lighten the mood.

I'm here all week folks. Remember to tip your waitress.

I remember my grandpa dying when I was 8 and how sad everyone was and it fucking sucked. I also remember that I got over it at some point without some make believe story. If my parents not telling me that he's in heaven means they didn't love me then you have an unusual way of viewing things. Maybe they didn't believe in making excuses so I won't cry as much.


You remember how sad everyone was. But how sad were you?
I've lost grandparents before. It sucks, but they're old. How about losing a sibling? Ever had a loss like that. It cuts so deep that your knees weaken, and the breath is taken from your chest. That's what I'm talking about when I say real loss.


Believe whatever you want, I'm commenting on the fact that you said you aren't religious and used religion to help your kids not deal with a tragedy.

I'm not religious. If you actually took a minute from your busy schedule to read what I said, you would have seen...

Now, I'm not religious by any means. But like Jasonturbo said, I am starting to understand how a belief or faith can help you make sense of things.


Anyways I gotta get back to selling dope in East Van ttyl bruh.

Have a nice day.

[SkunkWorks]

Am I the only one here that isn't surprise by this? Maybe over the years there are just too many of these "Big events" that I just don't really care anymore unless it affect me/my family/relatives/friends directly. I mean yea it sucks this happen but the gov aren't doing anything major to try to prevent this from happening again. All I see is that if something like this happen again the PM or whoever just come and give a few speech to make it sound like they care but in reality it doens't seem like they care.

Or maybe I am too numb from what's happening that I don't just don't have any feelings for these type of events any longer.

I suppose it's hard to have feelings when no one has feelings for you either.

[MarkyMark]

You remember how sad everyone was. But how sad were you?
I've lost grandparents before. It sucks, but they're old. How about losing a sibling? Ever had a loss like that. It cuts so deep that your knees weaken, and the breath is taken from your chest. That's what I'm talking about when I say real loss.

I was a kid, I had no thoughts like "oh he's old he was going to die anyways", all I knew was I loved him and he was now gone.


I'm not religious. If you actually took a minute from your busy schedule to read what I said, you would have seen...

Now, I'm not religious by any means. But like Jasonturbo said, I am starting to understand how a belief or faith can help you make sense of things.

You understand why, but you don't believe it, gotcha.


Have a nice day.

May God be with you.