[twitchyzero]

oops, mods please move to off-topic

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horey shet, going right for the jugular

Top U.S. corporations from chipmakers to Google have frozen the supply of critical software and components to Huawei Technologies Co., complying with a Trump administration crackdown that threatens to choke off China’s largest technology company.

security patches, Play store, Gmail etc will no longer be directly supported for the second largest phonemaker

Intel, Broadcom and Qualcomm will also halt component contracts

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-19/google-to-end-some-huawei-business-ties-after-trump-crackdown

[asian_XL]

I wonder if it will be possible to install google apps from TWRP or using google installer.

[SkinnyPupp]

I warned people about buying huawei phones a long time ago LUL

Buying state sponsored phones is just gross, no matter how cool the technology they put into it. And usually the phones act and feel like cheap crap anyway. Just not worth it.

[StylinRed]

uh oh looks like a new os is going to rule them all Maemo OS will finally have its shot!

[Mr.Money]

i've never cared to buy any of their phones and I've heard some models seem like clones of name brands...good riddance.

[Badhobz]

are you fucking serious? stupid ass google, why are they jumping in on this. god damn, im gonna start looking for a bomb shelter in my langley house.

[punkwax]

No. This is a good thing. Fuck Huawei.

[Mr.HappySilp]

are you fucking serious? stupid ass google, why are they jumping in on this. god damn, im gonna start looking for a bomb shelter in my langley house.

As someone from RS mention Huawei is pretty much funded by the gov. So they can sell their phone at a lose to gain market share and also banks in China have to lend them money (again coz is back by the gov.). So Huawei can blow money on whatever they like and not care about profits at all while other companies like Apple, Samsung, LG etc etc don't have that backing so they have to make sure their products is able to make a profit and thus the high price for their products. If things contiune the way they are and when Huawei wipe the competition and just raise their price to what they want.

[Hondaracer]

All the while Telus is continuing to back Hauwei as a partner in their 5G telecom ventures etc.

I think it may be a hugely slippery slope for Telus going forward

[StylinRed]

Side note have u guys seen huaweis campus?

https://youtu.be/_8HqbPBRiS4

[FerrariEnzo]

Pixel phones from now on.. lol

Im thinking OnePlus might be affected from this executive order?

[twitchyzero]

yesterday on my facebook newsfeed was a sponsored ad about how Huawei is helping Ottawa's flood

cringed so far

[Badhobz]

No. This is a good thing. Fuck Huawei.

I don't give a shit about Huawei, I'm more worried about what cray cray China is gonna do with all these sanctions. Huawei is basically just a Chinese state enterprise. Look at the impacts on Canada with that extradition of Huawei woman.

Fucking Trump is gonna ruin us all. The economy, Iran, China, this retard is going to set the world on fire.

[JDMDreams]

I'm curious how this will play out. Where will Apple and Google source their components from? Made in India now? Considering all the factories are still in China to make products that undercut the made in USA stuff

[DragonChi]

Most likely India. I would rather see that country rise out of poverty than authoritarian China.

Who knows though, maybe once they're economically stable, they might lessen state control. LOL, kind of laughable to even think about at this point.

[Mr.HappySilp]

^^ Most likely the exact opposite lol the more economically stable China is the more Chinese gov will have more control.

[Gallardo]

This ban/cut-off will barely make an impact on the Huawei giant; with the exception of Northern America sales of course.

It has been said that Huawei saw this coming, and had stockpiled a good amount of Qualcomm chips for manufacturing its phones.

Additionally, Huawei are not sitting-ducks, their R&D division prolly had production-ready in -house-made chips and OS for deployment.


ZTE succumbed in the Americas earlier last year, yet they are still above the waters back home in mainland China. Huawei on the other hand is 5x bigger that ZTE, so they should fair ok even without NA markets.

[Hondaracer]

Problem with a Chinese OS is it will likely feel like a Chinese OS, i think that hurts their brand big time

[Manic!]

Don't for a second think the US does not do the same shit.

Also phones made in India use parts made in China.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19bwJMbkWO8

[twitchyzero]

This ban/cut-off will barely make an impact on the Huawei giant; with the exception of Northern America sales of course.

It has been said that Huawei saw this coming, and had stockpiled a good amount of Qualcomm chips for manufacturing its phones.

Additionally, Huawei are not sitting-ducks, their R&D division prolly had production-ready in -house-made chips and OS for deployment.



they own HiSilicon and already uses the in-house Kirin chips found in their flagship phones

even if they go semi-custom like OnePlus' OxygenOS, i think being barred from official Android support will hurt global sales, big time

[whitev70r]

Google should have done this a long time ago, China's "great firewall"/censorship banned Google since 2010. If you ban Google ... why the hell should they allow you to use Android?

[DragonChi]

Don't for a second think the US does not do the same shit.

Also phones made in India use parts made in China.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19bwJMbkWO8


oh? shit like this?
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/16/the-end-of-hong-kong-is-almost-here/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMkHcZ5IwjU&t=1s

As far as surveillance goes, they might be on par. But the states are much less overt about it.

The video you posted says that Indian government has enacted policy to make basic components in India, increasing in scope over time.

[Manic!]

oh? shit like this?
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/16/the-end-of-hong-kong-is-almost-here/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMkHcZ5IwjU&t=1s

As far as surveillance goes, they might be on par. But the states are much less overt about it.

The video you posted says that Indian government has enacted policy to make basic components in India, increasing in scope over time.

Human rights is not the reason why the Huawei ban is happening. Also more components down the road may be made in India but the companies will still be Chinese.

[!LittleDragon]

Google should have done this a long time ago, China's "great firewall"/censorship banned Google since 2010. If you ban Google ... why the hell should they allow you to use Android?

Because Google makes money off the app store. Huawei's the #2 smartphone maker without the US market. If Google didn't allow them to use Android, Google would be missing out on a huge chunk of revenue.

I don't think Google wants to do this, they're forced to so they comply with Trump's ban.

[Badhobz]

Watch China try and fuck over apple now in retaliation.

[whitev70r]

Because Google makes money off the app store. Huawei's the #2 smartphone maker without the US market. If Google didn't allow them to use Android, Google would be missing out on a huge chunk of revenue.

I don't think Google wants to do this, they're forced to so they comply with Trump's ban.

Huawei phones would be pieces of sh*t if it didn't run Android. I think Huawei needed Android more than Google needed Huawei owners to buy their apps.

[Hehe]

https://i.imgflip.com/31hk1j.jpg

:fuckthatshit:

Seriously, I don't get how in the hell Huawei still has an attitude?

They are on the verge of going from a network/telecom giant to a "who?" and they still act like this?

I'm reading Chinese 50cents saying that Huawei is prepared... and that it had already created an in-house OS to replace Android.

In China... that might work given all the gov't muscle it can flex and many of the FANG services weren't available in the first place. But outside of that, no one in the right mind (including retailers) is going to carry their stuff. FB? nop, IG? nop, Google stuff? nop, Spotify, nop... da fuck?!

Huawei is pretty much RIP as we know it if they don't get this ban to reverse in time.

They are not just losing Google... they are losing EVERYTHING US related if this progresses. Want to design a chip? Sorry, no EDA tools. Want some antenna? Well, only the crappy ones. Want to design a Linux based OS? Sorry, you can't work with anything within US companies frameworks (which quite literally, we are talking about 99% of all the components).

Wait until US puts more pressure on its allies... Infineon of Germany already ceased operation with HW. TSMC (who's the ONLY current 7nm manufacturer at large scale) is studying but can really flip any time.

All in all, could HW bypass everything US related and come up with a system of its own? Sure... but it's going to be mediocre at best in a highly competitive market. Should HW allows this to progress, it will go from No.2 smartphone manufacturer in the world 2019 to "others" in this time 2020.

[DragonChi]

Human rights is not the reason why the Huawei ban is happening. Also more components down the road may be made in India but the companies will still be Chinese.

I see so by same shit you meant outsourcing their manufacturing to other countries.

[danned]

why would you buy a chinabranded phone?
https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-if-i-need-to-buy-a-tv-i-ll-definitely-buy-a-japanese-tv-a-chinese-tv-might-explode-jackie-chan-63-5-0535.jpg

[DragonChi]

Price, large battery sizes, decent band coverage.

[twitchyzero]

I'm reading Chinese 50cents saying that Huawei is prepared... and that it had already created an in-house OS to replace Android.

In China... that might work given all the gov't muscle it can flex and many of the FANG services weren't available in the first place. But outside of that, no one in the right mind (including retailers) is going to carry their stuff. FB? nop, IG? nop, Google stuff? nop, Spotify, nop... da fuck?!

Huawei is pretty much RIP as we know it if they don't get this ban to reverse in time.

They are not just losing Google... they are losing EVERYTHING US related if this progresses. Want to design a chip? Sorry, no EDA tools. Want some antenna? Well, only the crappy ones. Want to design a Linux based OS? Sorry, you can't work with anything within US companies frameworks (which quite literally, we are talking about 99% of all the components).

Wait until US puts more pressure on its allies... Infineon of Germany already ceased operation with HW. TSMC (who's the ONLY current 7nm manufacturer at large scale) is studying but can really flip any time.

All in all, could HW bypass everything US related and come up with a system of its own? Sure... but it's going to be mediocre at best in a highly competitive market. Should HW allows this to progress, it will go from No.2 smartphone manufacturer in the world 2019 to "others" in this time 2020.

i think they'll be fine hardware-wise, maybe they can reach a deal with the Koreans

software is definitely going to make or break them, i would be surprised if they haven't already reverse-engineered 99% of Linux/Android

[!LittleDragon]

Huawei phones would be pieces of sh*t if it didn't run Android. I think Huawei needed Android more than Google needed Huawei owners to buy their apps.

Same could be said for any Android phone manufacturer. At the end of the day, nobody needs anyone else. They can all build their own hardware and ecosystem but everyone wins, especially the consumer when everyone works together.

[twitchyzero]

i agree with whitev70r, it's already crowded af in the Android space, Huawei's only gotten big as a phonemaker globally in the last 2 years, the vacuum left behind will just be filled by Samsung and Google/Oppo/Lenovo etc. again

[J____]

uh oh looks like a new os is going to rule them all Maemo OS will finally have its shot!

It won't affect OS because android is open source, manufacturers don't need permission from google to build an android OS. You just won't have playstore to download anything lol. Also I think it's for all new phones going forward. So if you currently own a huawei phone, it won't be affected by this.


The US isn't afraid of Huawei's consumer phones, it's their 5G infrastructure that everyone is afraid of, it's way ahead of any other brand's atm. Taking out google from huawei is just a small petty dent in huawei's business that only affects north america and europe. Chinese huaweis don't get affected at all since playstore isnt even available here. North america and europe combined is still small compared to the home market for huawei. So in reality it's just a minor setback for them, nothing game changing on their growth.

[FerrariEnzo]

Hauwei starting their own app store lol... that wont do well...

[LightKeeper]

Google should have done this a long time ago, China's "great firewall"/censorship banned Google since 2010. If you ban Google ... why the hell should they allow you to use Android?

Haven't read something that made so much sense in a while.

Furthermore, Android is just a linux based operating system.
They can easily replace it with many other ones like Tizen if they wanted to.


I used to be a big fan of Android when it was truly open-sourced.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Nothing to see guys. There is a 90 day ease that's on the news today.

Just Trump being Trump.

[FerrariEnzo]

Haven't read something that made so much sense in a while.

Furthermore, Android is just a linux based operating system.
They can easily replace it with many other ones like Tizen if they wanted to.


I used to be a big fan of Android when it was truly open-sourced.
Although they can use a different operation system, its the Google Playstore thats the big issue. No one else can replicate Apple and Google on this part..

No one will buy a smartphone with limited app support nowaday...

[Teriyaki]

Although they can use a different operation system, its the Google Playstore thats the big issue. No one else can replicate Apple and Google on this part..

No one will buy a smartphone with limited app support nowaday...

Except for those in China, so they'll max out at what 1/3 of the worlds population. We're on a dangerous path towards fracturing the worlds internet, on multiple fronts. This is just another small step towards that :badpokerface:

[Badhobz]

i like that p30 pro too. could be all the gal gaddot brain washing on youtube though

[twitchyzero]

when people think their Huawei phones can take better photos than a real camera :fuckthatshit:

Huawei CEO on Trump's ban: I’ve sacrificed myself and family for the sake of our goal to stand on top of the world,” Ren told a group of Chinese journalists Tuesday, according to a transcript published by state-run China Central. “To achieve this goal, a conflict with the U.S. is inevitable.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/chinas-huawei-says-it-has-long-prepared-for-americas-assault/2019/05/21/04b29c60-7bc2-11e9-b1f3-b233fe5811ef_story.html?utm_term=.ae230f05302d

[Manic!]

when people think their Huawei phones can take better photos than a real camera :fuckthatshit:

Huawei CEO on Trump's ban:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/chinas-huawei-says-it-has-long-prepared-for-americas-assault/2019/05/21/04b29c60-7bc2-11e9-b1f3-b233fe5811ef_story.html?utm_term=.ae230f05302d

For people who set their camera on auto, it could be true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5-bo8a4zU0

[twitchyzero]

dont wanna go off-topic but compare it to auto setting with kit lens for daytime shots viewed on instagram 300x300 res, sure huawei/pixel AI can fool the average person but it still can't cheat physics

[FerrariEnzo]

when people think their Huawei phones can take better photos than a real camera :fuckthatshit:

Huawei CEO on Trump's ban:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/chinas-huawei-says-it-has-long-prepared-for-americas-assault/2019/05/21/04b29c60-7bc2-11e9-b1f3-b233fe5811ef_story.html?utm_term=.ae230f05302d

Not everyone can use a real camera... they buy it and still put it on AUTO :badpokerface:

[SkinnyPupp]

Google cutting ties with Huawei was bad, but this is waaaaaaaaay worse

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/22/18635326/huawei-arm-chip-designs-business-suspension

[twitchyzero]

RIP if the ban doesn't get reversed
imagine running one of the largest tech corps and silicon valley shuts you out 100%
would be very surprised if they are able to weather this and come out completely self-reliant

[Infiniti]

F*** Huawei!

[Badhobz]

my old huawei nexus 6p was a total piece of shit. after sitting like a brick for a year due to bootloop, they finally owned up to it and fixed it for free. I gave it to my dad and now less than another year, the battery just died and its sitting as a brick again.

BULLSHIT!

[Mancini]

30694

[twitchyzero]

now we need the same meme with Google/Microsoft and Hillary/Obama

[UnknownJinX]

My stance: I am happy with my Mate 9, nothing is wrong with it, but at 2+ years old, it's starting to show its age a little bit. I plan to upgrade towards the end of this year, but it might happen sooner if the Google Apps go away in the 90-day "grace period".

Looks like I will have to shop something else then, and pass the Mate 9 down to my grandparents in China since the Mate 9 will still be better than anything they use currently.

I have also read some American hardware providers are getting affected. Probably true, not sure by how much though.

Hauwei starting their own app store lol... that wont do well...

They already have one in China.

Like people mentioned, I doubt the Chinese market will get affected negatively. If anything, the more patriotic bunch will likely switch to Huawei phones as a mean to support them.

The North American market is already pretty small so not much loss here. The major loss might come from Europe, which Huawei has some business there.

now we need the same meme with Google/Microsoft and Hillary/Obama

That's what I think as well.

It's not about being spied on or not. It's about who spies on you... No one's hands are clean.

And the truth about privacy is that as an individual, no one gives a shit about you. What they care about is a trend from many individuals. Just don't post shit you don't want others to see on social media. It's really that simple.

https://askleo.com/privacy-what-privacy/

[asian_XL]

https://static01.hket.com/res/v3/image/content/2350000/2354156/hung001_1024.jpg

their new OS name...Hung Mung

[Hehe]

https://static01.hket.com/res/v3/image/content/2350000/2354156/hung001_1024.jpg

their new OS name...Hung Mung

Erhhhh... isn't it more like homo?

[SkinnyPupp]

Hung Men Kreygasm

[threezero]

Although they can use a different operation system, its the Google Playstore thats the big issue. No one else can replicate Apple and Google on this part..

No one will buy a smartphone with limited app support nowaday...

Except almost the entire Chinese population.

They had to deal with no play store for almost the entirety of android’s existence.

All that means is there is all kind of third party store with bootleg apps for the android.

It’s a war full of losers and no winners