[Manic!]

https://nypost.com/2020/01/26/kobe-bryant-reportedly-killed-in-california-helicopter-crash/

Legendary NBA player Kobe Bryant has died in a California helicopter crash, a report said Sunday.

He was 41.

Bryant was among at least four people traveling in his private helicopter over Calabasas when a fire broke out, sending the chopper spiraling from the sky, according to TMZ Sports.

There were no survivors, and the cause of the crash is under investigation, according to TMZ.

Bryant’s wife, Vanessa, was not among those aboard the chopper, according to the report.

Can someone fix the title?

Bryant starred for two decades with the Los Angeles Lakers, winning five championships and making 18 All-Star Games before retiring after the 2016 season.

Can someone fix the title?

[stewie]

I'm watching cnn right now and so far they've said they don't know who the victims were. Tmz and a few other sites arw saying he was one of them but I'm on the fence how credible it is.

[twitchyzero]

didn't get very long to enjoy his retirement

[Harvey Specter]

It's confirmed on ESPN and various LA news outlets. RIP.

[Euro7r]

Mamba out :(

[Manic!]

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/kobe-bryant-dies-in-helicopter-crash/index.html

NBA legend Kobe Bryant dies at age 41

Two separate sources tell CNN that basketball legend Kobe Bryant, 41, died early Sunday morning in Los Angeles, CA.

[stewie]

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/kobe-bryant-dies-in-helicopter-crash/index.html

I retract my statement then.

[Bouncing Bettys]

I put on Sportscentre on as they are showing highlights of Lebron passing Kobe in all time points yesterday. Too bad Kobe couldn't have held his position before passing

[Manic!]

NBC reporting his 4 daughters were in the helicopter.

[pastarocket]

Very sad news. Mamba is dead. RIP to Kobe. Truly terrible news for his wife.

LA is in mourning now.


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[westopher]

NBC reporting his 4 daughters were in the helicopter.
I’ve read that only one of them was. Awful for his wife regardless, but if it was all 4 of them, holy fuck.....

[Ludepower]

He tweeted Lebron congratulating on breaking his record. Speechless right now. RIP sigh.

[HonestTea]

RIP KOBE :(

[Manic!]

New report it was him, his 13-year-old daughter, a teammate and another parent plus the pilot . They were headed to a basketball game.

[Infiniti]

RIP

[Jmac]

RIP to one of basketball’s all-time greats and his daughter

TY to the mod who corrected the spelling

[Raid3n]

Fixed the title for you, manic.

[whitev70r]

Quite moving ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc_5aqqMCCQ

[Sir_Loin]

FVV stopped dribbling at 8 secs left on the clock. Classy move by both organizations. 81 vs Raptors and the playoff battles against the Spurs.

[JD¹³]

Obviously too early to know if there were mechanical issues at work, however, it at least appears the pilot was pushing it in bad weather/vis. Anyone who's ever been to LA knows the sea fog there can be thick and fast. RIP to all onboard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJlD1fRG1VQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0pQfgi9ZqU

[68style]

Sad anytime anyone dies, great bball player and I'm sad for his wife and his daughter who died and everyone on the flight.... but having a hard time with all the great family man/person comments? Guess we just forget when someone's an adulterer/possible rapist when they're rich and popular.

[SkinnyPupp]

Sad anytime anyone dies, great bball player and I'm sad for his wife and his daughter who died and everyone on the flight.... but having a hard time with all the great family man/person comments? Guess we just forget when someone's an adulterer/possible rapist when they're rich and popular.
That's the kind of thought you should keep to yourself right now...

[Infiniti]

Makes you wonder why his flight was even in the air in the first place given that other chopper operators such as LAPD air support were grounded because of the fog at that time.

[Hondaracer]

Man general aviation is sketchy af..

When you’re loaded feels like such a risk to fly PJ’s and private choppers

[MarkyMark]

RIP

Much like Roy Halladay their post retirement lives were just getting started, what a shame.

[acrophobia]

Sad anytime anyone dies, great bball player and I'm sad for his wife and his daughter who died and everyone on the flight.... but having a hard time with all the great family man/person comments? Guess we just forget when someone's an adulterer/possible rapist when they're rich and popular.

Or we can simply choose to focus on the good instead of one’s transgressions (just like people will hopefully do for you and I when we pass)...positivity, brother!

Kobe was basketball in the 90s and I, like many others, will miss him; RIP to a legend.

[Hondaracer]

I Don’t disagree with 68

[Mr.Money]

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-01-26/kobe-bryants-helicopter-feels-like-a-limousine-but-had-strong-safety-record-nba-stars-former-pilot-said
The crash was more likely caused by bad weather than engine or mechanical issues, he said. “The likelihood of a catastrophic twin engine failure on that aircraft — it just doesn’t happen,” he said.

Judging from a public record of the flight path and the wide debris field, Deetz said that it appears the helicopter was traveling very fast at the time of impact, about 160 mph




you think it was fog blind?....Yikes.

[pastarocket]

https://youtu.be/kN81DsyyvzU


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[Manic!]

I Don’t disagree with 68

Hey, remember that one time you talked about effecting a bunch of babies with the corona virus?

[Bouncing Bettys]

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-01-26/kobe-bryants-helicopter-feels-like-a-limousine-but-had-strong-safety-record-nba-stars-former-pilot-said
The crash was more likely caused by bad weather than engine or mechanical issues, he said. “The likelihood of a catastrophic twin engine failure on that aircraft — it just doesn’t happen,” he said.

Judging from a public record of the flight path and the wide debris field, Deetz said that it appears the helicopter was traveling very fast at the time of impact, about 160 mph




you think it was fog blind?....Yikes.
Even with complete engine failure, helicopters can still glide safely using autorotation, like the seeds of a maple tree. Pilots are trained to land using only autorotation for emergencies.

Pilot error and weather are more likely. Pilots are known to push limits or ignore regulations. For a local example, you might recall that pilot who landed among a crowd at that off the wall house party with bikini women and exotic cars. That pilot and helicopter were literally operating out of the hangar next door to the shop were I was working.

If it ends up being more than weather and pilot error, I would be interested to hear the thoughts from my last employers, as the S-76B was one of the more common helicopters and components they repaired/certified/sold.

[Ronin]

Sad anytime anyone dies, great bball player and I'm sad for his wife and his daughter who died and everyone on the flight.... but having a hard time with all the great family man/person comments? Guess we just forget when someone's an adulterer/possible rapist when they're rich and popular.

Innocent until proven guilty? Or rather still not innocent after the case is dismissed, huh? :rolleyes:

[JD¹³]

Even with complete engine failure, helicopters can still glide safely using autorotation, like the seeds of a maple tree. Pilots are trained to land using only autorotation for emergencies.

Pilot error and weather are more likely. Pilots are known to push limits or ignore regulations. For a local example, you might recall that pilot who landed among a crowd at that off the wall house party with bikini women and exotic cars. That pilot and helicopter were literally operating out of the hangar next door to the shop were I was working.

If it ends up being more than weather and pilot error, I would be interested to hear the thoughts from my last employers, as the S-76B was one of the more common helicopters and components they repaired/certified/sold.
It won't be found to be technical, by accounts from a former pilot it was a very well maintained aircraft. A simultaneous twin engine failure is highly highly unlikely. Based on the ADS-B data and radio calls here's a breakdown of what happened:

- The pilot is flying Special VFR. What that means is the conditions are below VFR minima and he had to get special permission from controllers to fly visually. You'll note that Burbank Tower states they are IFR.
- The helo is forced to hold outside Burbank controlled airspace due to IFR traffic. One aircraft has to abort landing and do a go-around. Reason unknown but my guess is the fog is worse than forecast and the pilot did not have visual with the runway when he hit his approach minimum altitude.
- Pilot asks to maintain SVFR and is navigating by using highways and land marks.
- At 51 seconds on the ATC video a special weather report (SPECI METAR) is given for Burbank showing the wind is dead calm at 0 knots, visibility is 2 1/2mi and the cloud ceiling is overcast at 1100ft. The helo is holding at 750-850ft.
- After transitioning through the Burbank control zone he climbs to 1400ft (above forecast ceiling). Van Nuys Tower again states the ceiling at 1100ft with same vis.
- At this point it's unclear if he's gone on top of the fog/cloud layer or if he's in it. There's the possibility the fog layer stopped further inland but that's unclear at this time. Van Nuys Tower asks the pilot to advise when in VFR conditions, he is supposed to be visual at all times. If you go in to cloud or lose ground reference you are supposed to turn around and go back to known conditions and advise tower that you are in that situation so they can help you. He does not have a VFR 'On The Top' clearance meaning he is well on top of the cloud layer and is in clear air with otherwise good visibility without being able to see the ground.
- At 3:30 of the ATC video the weather METAR for Van Nuys shows the same conditions as Burbank. Socked in with 2 1/2mi vis and an 1100ft ceiling.
- The pilot has now climbed to 1500ft and requests to turn south to find the 101 Highway to continue on his route. Van Nuys asks for confirmation that he is in VFR conditions and he says yes.
- As soon as the turn is made he accelerates from 120 knots to 140+ and descends to as low as 1100ft going towards the mountains. He is so low that Socal Terminal cannot get him on flight following radar. He never makes contact with Socal to check in on frequency and receive instruction. Why is anyone's guess right now, but he confirmed the frequency before switching off Van Nuys.
- The pilot flies for five minutes in poor visibility without checking in on frequency for flight following (safety net).
- As the helicopter enters the mountains you have to go frame by frame on the flight tracker video to see the pilots panic pull. He's doing 130 knots, probably sees terrain at the last second and pulls. The altitude spikes from 1200ft to 2100ft with the helicopter climbing at 1600ft per min and down to 110 knots airspeed. Suddenly it is in a 4200ft per minute descent and accelerates to nearly its maximum speed of 155 knots and transponder data ends. It's falling forward in to the ground.

Piecing that info together I think he was flying in very low vis, decided to commit despite not having any radio contact or help from flight following radar control, and he clipped the terrain. The helicopter then flew/fell off the other side and down to its final resting place. The investigation will tell all but this looks like it may have been a very preventable accident, and a gruesomely bad one at that. I fear that if my theory is correct the helo may have been broken open on the first impact and people may have been ejected and/or been alive for the fall to the ground. Only part of the aircraft is shown in the crash site where the brush fire started. They also only found five bodies originally and hours later updated it to nine once they confirmed the flight manifest had nine people listed.

I hope I'm wrong. RIP to all. Never push the weather.

[danned]

rest in peace, a ....

[Gumby]

Thanks again to JD13 and others with aviation experience; I find it such an interesting topic.

[SkinnyPupp]

JD13 always brings valuable insight to these threads.

Hard to believe just a few posts above, we have some clowns trying to shit on a tribute thread because a guy had sex with someone he wasn't married to FailFish

[Mr.Money]

also with lot of these gold digging predators,they could easily be any famous person till proven guilty,its just a game to them for the all for the mighty dollar.


the saying is true,dont stick your dick in crazy.

[6793026]

Makes you wonder why his flight was even in the air in the first place given that other chopper operators such as LAPD air support were grounded because of the fog at that time.

sometimes the private operates gets so much pressure; "yo mr. pilot, my buddy _______ here has to get a a basketball game, are you shitting me saying you can't fly. Don't you know who ____ is" etc.

[68style]

JD13 always brings valuable insight to these threads.

Hard to believe just a few posts above, we have some clowns trying to shit on a tribute thread because a guy had sex with someone he wasn't married to FailFish

Just as easy to say people who revere someone without question just cuz they were famous/good at a sport and think their death means something in their own life is a “clown” too depending on your perspective.

I said it’s unfortunate, but I just honestly don’t think he was such a great person as everyone seems to think he was. RIP everyone involved, sorry for having a not as overly generous an opinion on his positive contributions to the world as most people.

Last time I checked this was a discussion forum not a tribute forum. You’re entitled to your opinion of the man free of name calling as much as I should be, I just can’t give him a pass for buying his way out of a rape charge.

[68style]

Innocent until proven guilty? Or rather still not innocent after the case is dismissed, huh? :rolleyes:

You should go refresh yourself of the facts of that case again.

Also welcome back from the abyss, long time no post.

[twitchyzero]

he was a family man in the sense he coached his daughter and her club team

this was the team they were gonna play against today, their response after learning of the news

https://kmph.com/resources/media/55f72b12-82c9-4f13-96f6-8749adb8696c-medium16x9_prayercircle.JPG?1580095578997

to me it's no different than hours after paul walker dies on a way to charity and be like 'oh hey let's not get distracted by all the praises that he once could've been charged with statutory rape'

remember when that doctor got dragged off that united flight and everyone felt sympathetic yet the media just had to dig up the dirt on him?

time and place

[SkinnyPupp]

Just as easy to say people who revere someone without question just cuz they were famous/good at a sport and think their death means something in their own life is a “clown” too depending on your perspective.

I said it’s unfortunate, but I just honestly don’t think he was such a great person as everyone seems to think he was. RIP everyone involved, sorry for having a not as overly generous an opinion on his positive contributions to the world as most people.

Last time I checked this was a discussion forum not a tribute forum. You’re entitled to your opinion of the man free of name calling as much as I should be, I just can’t give him a pass for buying his way out of a rape charge.
Well thank god we have people so open to share their judgement of our heroes SeemsGood

[StylinRed]

Is it too soon to make a Lebron/pts record joke?

[68style]

Well thank god we have people so open to share their judgement of our heroes SeemsGood

Shrug... sorry your hero has a shady past, I can’t love him cuz of what he very likely did.

I’m glad your life clearly benefited in some way from his or he motivated you somehow through his professional career. I’m happy for anyone who benefited from his example on the court. I didn’t and I disagree with the unquestioned reverence bestowed upon him as I don't think you get a pass for stuff like that no matter who you are. C’est la vie.

[SkinnyPupp]

Shrug... sorry your hero has a shady past, I can’t love him cuz of what he very likely did.

I’m glad your life clearly benefited in some way from his or he motivated you somehow through his professional career. I’m happy for anyone who benefited from his example on the court. I didn’t and I disagree with the unquestioned reverence bestowed upon him as I don't think you get a pass for stuff like that no matter who you are. C’est la vie.
Not all of us can be as perfect as you, sorry. Hope you get judged as fairly when you go

[Hondaracer]

Fuck that account is scary af is that’s what actually happened Jesus

[hud 91gt]

Pretty interesting analysis JD. Before everyone jumps on the pilot, helicopters are actually regulated to operate in much lower visibility then fixed wing aircraft. It’s probably been 10 years since I opened a regulation in regards to special VFR, but 1-3miles for fixed wings is what I remember, and I want to say it’s 1/2mile for the spinny machines (I’ll just go ahead and assume this is due to their maneuverability, and ability to slow down). The fact he was still buzzing around at a fairly good clip makes me wonder if he had a very quick change in visibility (or complete over reliance on technology and its “terrain mapping”). If one were “lost”, they would be moving at a snails pace. Being too familiar with the terrain can be a bad thing at times (over confidence).

RIP

[Vansterdam]

reading a bunch of conspiracy theorys on this now

some pretty interesting shit

[pastarocket]

The media, in this case fucking TMZ, need to be respectful towards Kobe, his daughter, and the seven other people killed in the helicopter crash.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/26/media/tmz-death-report-kobe-bryant/index.html

It also upset police who suggested the speed in which TMZ had reported the news -- a little more than an hour after police said they received reports of a downed aircraft -- outpaced that of officers who were seeking to notify the family members of victims.


Very disrespectful. How would the fucking paparazzi at TMZ like it if TMZ reported their deaths first before LAPD make the notification to their next of kin?

:mad:

Like Shaq, I am in pain now. Kobe is one of my favorite basketball players ever. :tears:

[UnknownJinX]

The media, in this case fucking TMZ, need to be respectful towards Kobe, his daughter, and the seven other people killed in the helicopter crash.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/26/media/tmz-death-report-kobe-bryant/index.html

It also upset police who suggested the speed in which TMZ had reported the news -- a little more than an hour after police said they received reports of a downed aircraft -- outpaced that of officers who were seeking to notify the family members of victims.


Very disrespectful. How would the fucking paparazzi at TMZ like it if TMZ reported their deaths first before LAPD make the notification to their next of kin?

:mad:

Like Shaq, I am in pain now. Kobe is one of my favorite basketball players ever. :tears:Yeah, the amount of disrespect is shocking.

I don't know much about basketball but I know his death impacts many fans and in general is just a sad thing to happen.

Rest in peace Kobe.

[westopher]

I'm surprised that you guys are surprised that TMZ is disrespectful.
Celebrity deaths bring big money. If we click the links, we're part of it. Paparazzi are trash, but they are just giving the people what they demand.

[pastarocket]

I'm surprised that you guys are surprised that TMZ is disrespectful.
Celebrity deaths bring big money. If we click the links, we're part of it. Paparazzi are trash, but they are just giving the people what they demand.

My point is that TMZ could have waited for the official police announcement from LAPD about the helicopter crash before updating their website out of respect for the individuals killed. I am angry at them. -definitely not surprised at this rag's business model.

I guess those leeches do not want to lose millions in revenue by waiting for LAPD to make the official announcement first before they report. SMH

Money means more than the loss of life for some paparazzi. :mad:

[HonestTea]

reading a bunch of conspiracy theorys on this now

some pretty interesting shit

?

[Ludepower]

If TMZ doesnt break it someone else will. They're known for this dirty news so what's the surprise.

Apparently there was fog warning but when your rich you bend the rules and dont say no to them. Also pilot could of been too over confident running this route. I'm just small talking. RIP Kobe.

[pastarocket]

-statement from Sir Charles:

Statement on behalf of Charles Barkley:

“First, I want to express my deepest condolences to the families and friends of all nine people killed in this tragedy. I really want to emphasize that in remembrance of the other seven people involved. For me, this is like losing a family member, to lose Kobe and his daughter, Gianna. Basketball is a close knit fraternity and I’m just sad. Really sad. My thoughts and prayers are with Vanessa and their girls, the Lakers family and every basketball fan around the world.”

:tears:

[Manic!]

Very disrespectful. How would the fucking paparazzi at TMZ like it if TMZ reported their deaths first before LAPD make the notification to their next of kin?

:mad:

Like Shaq, I am in pain now. Kobe is one of my favorite basketball players ever. :tears:

TMZ is owned by WarnerMedia the same company that owns CNN.

[blkgsr]

reading a bunch of conspiracy theorys on this now

some pretty interesting shit

a guy at work showed me there was a cartoon from a few years ago that depicted Kobe in a helicopter crash or something?

didn't really look at it or pay much attention, he's a weird dude

[RiceIntegraRS]

reading a bunch of conspiracy theorys on this now

some pretty interesting shit

Explain? Or sauce?

[Harvey Specter]

Cartoon was a Comedy central show...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgHzQdgx6Hg

[whitev70r]

Probably sh*t like this:

https://twitter.com/XanderHamiltQn/status/1221521529571119104

[GS8]

TMZ is owned by WarnerMedia the same company that owns CNN.

Would explain their interchangeable journalism

[quasi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0pQfgi9ZqU

[mikemhg]

I feel bad for Kobe and his family, at least we know they will be well compensated and taken care of., definitely RIP to one of the greatest players.

68style, that rape case had a bunch of glaring holes, I do think he was innocent, so that comment of yours was somewhat lame.

I do agree with you though on one point.

Remember when Kobe was caught numerous times cheating on his wife (which by the way I see no problem with, he's a millionaire athlete, you have to be stupid to not think that happens on the regular).

What I find funny though is how many people, mostly women, totally vilified the guy for being a cheater, trashed his wife for staying with him, etc.

Then today and yesterday I'm seeing "I'm crying!!!", "RIP!!!!" , "I can't even focus today!!" by people on my Facebook and IG timelines who I know don't watch basketball, and prior to this could care less about Kobe.

That's what bothers me the most when these celebrity passings occur.

It's the fake sadness and outcry for attention I find nasty on so many levels when this happens.

Why do people have to make it about themselves, it's so narcissistic.

[Hondaracer]

You’re willing to accept he cheated all the time but a rape is out of the question lol..

His case mirrors many of the catholic priests etc who get accused of molestation, you throw money at it until it goes away before trial.

Personally I don’t really care either way, he was probably a peice of shit at times in his personal life not unlike many pro athletes. But like you said yourself, to give him a pass now that he’s dead simply because he’s dead is a bit of a reach

[hud 91gt]

^ Mike, I feel the same kind of way. Mind you. I was never a huge basketball fan, nor do I really put any celebrity on a pedestal.

Fact of the matter is, the guy had an amazing life. It was cut short. But I’m sure it was freaking fantastic for those 41 years. His greatness overshadows the others lives on that helicopter. Perhaps lives which never truly were able to experience the same greatness. These ones are just “the other 7.” The 8th, his daughter is also very sad. I’m sure a lot of talent unable to be truly tapped.

All the FB posts are from your the same people who post the same drama over and over again. :spamarama:

[pastarocket]

Probably sh*t like this:

https://twitter.com/XanderHamiltQn/status/1221521529571119104

It has been eerily quiet with no CiC chiming in on this thread.

Hey CiC, any conspiracy theories or Illuminati shit you wanna stir up related to the deaths of Kobe, his daughter, and the seven other individuals? :troll:

[SkinnyPupp]

You’re willing to accept he cheated all the time but a rape is out of the question lol..

His case mirrors many of the catholic priests etc who get accused of molestation, you throw money at it until it goes away before trial.

Personally I don’t really care either way, he was probably a peice of shit at times in his personal life not unlike many pro athletes. But like you said yourself, to give him a pass now that he’s dead simply because he’s dead is a bit of a reach
Criminal charges were dropped, and then she filed a civil complaint which was settled out of court. He admitted that he thought it was more consensual than she did in his apology.

Did he fuck up by messing around with one of the probably dozens (if not hundreds) of girls he comes across, but this one actually didn't want to be doing it? Who knows? Or did she try to take advantage of the situation and handled it better than some other others we've seen, like with Jaromir Jagr? Who knows? Was it rape? Who knows (except 68style. He knows 100% it was rape).

Was it a really dumb time to bring something like this up? 100%

I also don't give a shit about bball, but I recognize and appreciate great people. I especially don't see the need to shit on someone's legacy right after they died. Like wtf is the point other than to be the clown? Can you not wait at least one day?

Also to suggest someone would be a rapist because they've had sex with women other than the one their married to... fuck off with that.

You guys sure seem to claim to know a lot about how rapists think :considered:

[JD¹³]

It has now been determined that the pilot was IFR qualified, but currency unknown. A witness on twitter claims he saw the helicopter hugging highway 101 reportedly at 400ft "max" above the ground about 30 seconds before it crashed. At the speed he was doing and in that kind of vis I'm sorry but that is very dangerous from a terrain/tower/wires perspective. Special VFR rules for a helicopter allow you to be down to 1/2mi visibility but you still have to remain at 500ft AGL unless departing or on approach. The tail rotor and tail have been found separate from the main crash site.

[SkinnyPupp]

I'm not a pilot, but going 130-160 KM/h at 400 feet regardless of weather seems really fucking reckless to me. Maybe they do it all the time though I don't know

[JD¹³]

I'm not a pilot, but going 130-160 KM/h at 400 feet regardless of weather seems really fucking reckless to me. Maybe they do it all the time though I don't know
Time and place relative to training and experience. I have done low level navigation trips at 500ft up to 250 knots. Fighter lead in training standard is 250ft at 400 knots. That being said, we also had ejection seats.

[SkinnyPupp]

Time and place relative to training and experience. I have done low level navigation trips at 500ft up to 250 knots. Fighter lead in training standard is 250ft at 400 knots. That being said, we also had ejection seats.
Yeah but if you had kids in the back would you do it? LUL

[hud 91gt]

Low level, low visibility flying in “special VFR” conditions is the norm for a lot small aircraft in Canada. BUT most of Canada isn’t mountainous, nor is it built up. But saying that, the helicopter world is completely different. Those guys are wackos.

[Mr.Money]

down to the detail from an engineer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28QYy8lrww8

[JD¹³]

down to the detail from an engineer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28QYy8lrww8
Fack. Interesting how this guys account doesn't really match the transponder data in the final moments. Obviously he flew in to denser fog, lost ground reference, tried to turn around and/or emergency land but didn't know where he was. He flew in to a trap. He had a lot of warning signs, have to wonder how much pressure he felt to get the trip done.

[Hondaracer]

Fack. Interesting how this guys account doesn't really match the transponder data in the final moments. Obviously he flew in to denser fog, lost ground reference, tried to turn around and/or emergency land but didn't know where he was. He flew in to a trap. He had a lot of warning signs, have to wonder how much pressure he felt to get the trip done.

I have a huge interest in aviation and so much so I’ve recently picked up flight simulator again lol but reading the fairly long list of incidents that are documented with private jets it’s pretty amazing the amount that are attributed to pressure by the passengers

[quasi]

Ari Shaffir pretty ruthless but on point with some of the reactions in this thread.

https://www.totalprosports.com/2020/01/27/comedian-ari-shaffir-gets-blasted-for-celebrating-kobe-bryants-death-video-tweets/

[68style]

Not all of us can be as perfect as you, sorry. Hope you get judged as fairly when you go

Interesting how easily you excuse a rapist (oh yes, just accused right ?) and taunt me like I’m saying I’m perfect, which I’m not, but I certainly never raped a woman, so judge away... yet you’re full out social justice warrior (and I mostly agree with you so that’s not intended to be derogatory) on so many other topics, particularly on topics of female rights and race. Pretty hypocritical.

He (or his lawyers rather) ruined a 19 year old girls reputation and life to the point she was unable to testify, then admitted he raped her and paid her a bunch of money. I’m not sure what you’re not understanding about that. How would you feel if that was your daughter? This is a very serious crime, not just a “whoops nobody is perfect” moment in life.

[pastarocket]

Guys, let's change the tone of this thread. Although I was in pain yesterday after hearing the devastating news of the deaths of Kobe, his daughter, and the other helicopter passengers, I choose to remember the years of joy that he gave me from watching games from his illustrious career.
-not gonna diss TMZ anymore. :lawl:

Let's celebrate his wonderful NBA career instead of making replies back and forth about the dark times of Kobe's life.

Watching Mamba's last game before retirement. He dropped 60 pts on Utah. :lawl:

Kobe also made the NBA All Defensive Team 12 times. One of the best 2 way players ever in the NBA.

https://youtu.be/GTJwoWHMEw0

https://youtu.be/OTTWedyp37o

[trd2343]

Criminal charges were dropped, and then she filed a civil complaint which was settled out of court. He admitted that he thought it was more consensual than she did in his apology.

Did he fuck up by messing around with one of the probably dozens (if not hundreds) of girls he comes across, but this one actually didn't want to be doing it? Who knows? Or did she try to take advantage of the situation and handled it better than some other others we've seen, like with Jaromir Jagr? Who knows? Was it rape? Who knows (except 68style. He knows 100% it was rape).

Was it a really dumb time to bring something like this up? 100%

I also don't give a shit about bball, but I recognize and appreciate great people. I especially don't see the need to shit on someone's legacy right after they died. Like wtf is the point other than to be the clown? Can you not wait at least one day?

Also to suggest someone would be a rapist because they've had sex with women other than the one their married to... fuck off with that.

You guys sure seem to claim to know a lot about how rapists think :considered:

For someone who claims they think critically, and seemingly know that all the police are either corrupt/undercover/mainlanders etc, you sure are quick to dismiss Kobe’s sexual assault charges.

You don’t get ACCUSED of sexual assault charges just for sleeping around. You can bet a dozen of NBA players sleeps around. You don’t get ACCUSED just because you’re famous or someone’s trying to take advantage of you. Duncan, James, Curry, Dirk, the list goes on, none of these players had such a huge accusation against them. Do they have their own dirt? Certainly. But this is sexual assault. It baffles me that you just brush it off as if it’s just another charge.

You are absolutely correct you don’t give a shit about basketball, and it is an absolute insult when you say you recognize and appreciate great people. What is it about Kobe do you appreciate or recognize? His on-court talent? Did you know he was actually inefficient as a scorer? Or he performs mediocrely in clutch situations? That he “encourages” his teammate by elbowing them to the chest? Did you know how he destroyed Lakers in his latter years (Lakers do owe it to him for his service)? So, is it his off-court contributions? I am more curious to hear what you appreciate and recognize him for.

Absolutely no one is shitting on his legacy. He’s a 5-time champ, multiple NBA First Team, multiple All-Star, MVP, Olympic Champ, the list goes on, how do you exactly shit on his legacy? But some shit stays. It doesn’t even compare to Lebron’s televise decision to go to Miami. It’s a freaking criminal allegation, well known to public, not just everyday charges. Those who actually follow basketball don’t even have to try to dig this shit up, they just remember.

I idolize Kobe. His footwork, defense and offensive skills is nothing short of amazing. He can literally copy any signature move and use it on his own. He’s literally our generation of MJ for those who missed MJ growing up. He looks like he’s in a different place after retirement, maybe he has changed. Great people are those you look up to and want kids around you to role model after. When those charges came out for Kobe, could you say that?

[ae101]

I can’t stand the mother fuckers that jack up prices on Kobe’s shoes and clothing right after his death was confirmed

Im no Kobe fan and I understand the value after his death but to a certain extent right? Not 5 times the value price

My friend was looking to a pair of Kobe’s last month (I don’t remember which ones, that’s how out of touch I am) and he was talking to the seller about it, just right when he was getting ready to do the transaction yesterday, dude jack up the price 5x the original price was right after his death

My friend literally went WTF as he was a Kobe fan

[Mr.Money]

it happens...


i checked ebay for autographed cards with the "buy it now" like 15 minutes after hearing the news.

the 1 minute mark if that while i was refreshing shit was selling insanely fast or being pulled to be relisted higher for the quick sellers...


these were rare 24 numbered out of 45 being signed cards listed for $300,who knows how jacked the price is now.



sad thing is i was always a jordan fan so i own no pairs of shoes or cards but i do recognize the skill & history Kobe made now

[whitev70r]

Not only individuals on forums bringing this up. Big news agency asking as well

Not now. Then when?': Kobe Bryant's death prompts battle over focus on star's rape charge

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/kobe-bryant-sex-assault-allegations-1.5442027

[Hondaracer]

Not only individuals on forums bringing this up. Big news agency asking as well

Not now. Then when?': Kobe Bryant's death prompts battle over focus on star's rape charge

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/kobe-bryant-sex-assault-allegations-1.5442027

The biggest sports personalities there are ie. Jim Rome etc. Have all brought it up and say it can’t be overlooked nor can be if left out of his legacy.

[twitchyzero]

if they made a biopic 6 months, 1 year or 5 later and omitted that part completely, sure blast away

but pretty jackassery to mention it hours after he tragically died...for all accounts he was pretty mucha family man for most of his kids' lives since the allegation almost 20 years ago

[will068]

Interesting how easily you excuse a rapist (oh yes, just accused right ?) and taunt me like I’m saying I’m perfect, which I’m not, but I certainly never raped a woman, so judge away... yet you’re full out social justice warrior (and I mostly agree with you so that’s not intended to be derogatory) on so many other topics, particularly on topics of female rights and race. Pretty hypocritical.

He (or his lawyers rather) ruined a 19 year old girls reputation and life to the point she was unable to testify, then admitted he raped her and paid her a bunch of money. I’m not sure what you’re not understanding about that. How would you feel if that was your daughter? This is a very serious crime, not just a “whoops nobody is perfect” moment in life.

I remember following this case when it first appeared when I was in University.

I still remember the pic of the girl - Just some awg (average white girl). I recall as well that the girl's underwear were taken for evidence. It contained sperm residue - but not Kobe's. The most damning thing was how she had friends who told cops and other investigators that she was going around bragging about the money she could get from the settlement case and all the things she would buy with the money.

She’s been bragging about the case for years, she even did a PUBLIC freestyle about it.

I always had the perception that men who were accused of rape (whether acquitted or not) - were always guilty. This was the first time as a young man that I realized that women can lie about rape to get ahead.

[trd2343]

if they made a biopic 6 months, 1 year or 5 later and omitted that part completely, sure blast away

but pretty jackassery to mention it hours after he tragically died...for all accounts he was pretty mucha family man for most of his kids' lives since the allegation almost 20 years ago

Like I said, it's not like we are PURPOSELY trying to dig up anything negative about Kobe.

What is considered jackassery? Bringing this up at his funeral, or as a long time teammate/competitor doing an public interview, as a close friend or someone that knew him personally on a deep level. Or even on a basketball forum, or a thread that's dedicated to Kobe's legacy.

But on a car forum, where mods advocates for free speech, in a thread where maybe not even half of the people cares about basketball? Absolutely not. The bad things mentioned on here aren't even close to defaming or insult or hate. Hell, even ESPN had to mention it in their article right after Kobe's death.

[mikemhg]

This. I very much remember following the allegation, and I always remember the consensus was this was a sham job, and she was looking to cash out.

Look, the man has never had a history of sexual abuse, there's never been similar reports against him prior or after.

My only laugh was at some women in my timeline who were crying about Kobe, when I remember damn well these same girls were trashing him for cheating on his wife. That was the only irony I had there.

I remember following this case when it first appeared when I was in University.

I still remember the pic of the girl - Just some awg (average white girl). I recall as well that the girl's underwear were taken for evidence. It contained sperm residue - but not Kobe's. The most damning thing was how she had friends who told cops and other investigators that she was going around bragging about the money she could get from the settlement case and all the things she would buy with the money.

She’s been bragging about the case for years, she even did a PUBLIC freestyle about it.

I always had the perception that men who were accused of rape (whether acquitted or not) - were always guilty. This was the first time as a young man that I realized that women can lie about rape to get ahead.

[JSALES]

Someone made a video to create a visual representation of what might have occurred

https://youtu.be/XSHpbGhy3Ko

[twitchyzero]

Like I said, it's not like we are PURPOSELY trying to dig up anything negative about Kobe.

What is considered jackassery? Bringing this up at his funeral, or as a long time teammate/competitor doing an public interview, as a close friend or someone that knew him personally on a deep level. Or even on a basketball forum, or a thread that's dedicated to Kobe's legacy.

But on a car forum, where mods advocates for free speech, in a thread where maybe not even half of the people cares about basketball? Absolutely not. The bad things mentioned on here aren't even close to defaming or insult or hate. Hell, even ESPN had to mention it in their article right after Kobe's death.

the thread is titled 'bryand' dies in a chopper crash

not: heyyy please reflect on his contributions/legacy/not so bright past

more than anything i'm actually quite interested in the aviation/crash details posted in here

all this back and forth started with a 'welllll...family man? I dont know about that!!'

you're more than entitled to your opinion on his 2003 allegations and can post as you see fit, i'm just saying timing seems off for any decent human beings that's experienced loss especially if it involves youths with their whole lives ahead of them en route to a ball game

should the foes or anyone who's ever been wronged by those who perished in the humboldt crash come out and shit talk mere hours after their tragedy too? why because basketball isn't a national sport in Canada so it's tolerated?

[Vansterdam]

Explain? Or sauce?

google black mamba big pharma

https://money.yahoo.com/kobe-bryant-trying-settle-black-181943793.html

Kobe Bryant Dies in Helicopter Crash @ 41 ? Gematrinator Blog (http://gematrinator.com/blog/index.php/2020/01/27/kobe-bryant-dies-in-helicopter-crash-41/?fbclid=IwAR3F1N_VamLCcYzo39mYEneDxARUKiG2zPROORHY aHPlAILGnshrAoR-Xps)

and ya the whole bigger then impeachment thing

and also the cartoon someone already posted here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLV07jcZ7hY

this song bangs

[pastarocket]

This is one of the many NBA all star game tributes to Kobe and his daughter Gianna:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/nba-stars-wear-kobes-no-24-giannas-no-2/


The NBA’s All-Stars will be playing this year with Kobe Bryant and Gianna Bryant in their minds and on their jerseys.
So, coming soon: No. 24 Giannis Antetokounmpo, and No. 2, LeBron James.

As part of what will be a long series of tributes to Bryant and his daughter Gianna, the NBA announced Friday that every player on Team Giannis will wear 24 on their jerseys at this year’s All-Star Game and every player on Team LeBron will wear 2.

[JD¹³]

Now that more complete ADS-B data is available it looks a lot like the pilot got spatially disoriented and thundered in. Very very difficult to recover from an extreme unusual attitude off instruments, especially if disorientation got you there to begin with. At low altitude in a helicopter it's basically impossible. They hit extremely hard, 155 KIAS forward speed and 4200ft/min rate of descent. That's about 280kph forward and 70kph rate of descent :(

[SkinnyPupp]

Now that more complete ADS-B data is available it looks a lot like the pilot got spatially disoriented and thundered in. Very very difficult to recover from an extreme unusual attitude off instruments, especially if disorientation got you there to begin with. At low altitude in a helicopter it's basically impossible. They hit extremely hard, 155 KIAS forward speed and 4200ft/min rate of descent. That's about 280kph forward and 70kph rate of descent :(
So basically he didn't know which was way up? That's horrifying.

[twitchyzero]

dumb question but are most helicopters equipped with radars and sonars that work in fog to mitigate collision into terrain/built-up areas? not something to rely on but as redundant warnings

[JD¹³]

So basically he didn't know which was way up? That's horrifying.
Exactly. It happens when you lose visual reference or have intermittent reference while on instruments (trying to go back and forth between inside and outside the cockpit). It's a weird feeling when your eyes and in your inner ears (balance) don't align and your mind plays tricks on what is straight and level. You have to trust your instruments on what your orientation is, not what your body is telling you.

dumb question but are most helicopters equipped with radars and sonars that work in fog to mitigate collision into terrain/built-up areas? not something to rely on but as redundant warnings
They can have radar altimeters (RAD-ALT) that work at low level and give you an Above Ground Level (AGL) altitude. Your standard altimeter is set to atmospheric pressure and indicates Above Sea Level (ASL). That is how he was at 1700ft but hit the ground. Terrain Warning Systems (TWS) and GPS based Collision Avoidance are other aids. All of these systems are tens of thousands of dollars of kit to add to the aircraft, plus associated maintenance. For that reason I would say the vast majority of aircraft do not have them outside major commercial carries, militaries, etc unless they come standard when purchasing something brand new in the last few years.

[pastarocket]

LBJ's heartfelt speech in tribute to Kobe. -good to see LeBron acknowledge all nine individuals passing away in the helicopter crash.

https://youtu.be/KrGzQbMHZBE

[Mr.Money]

horrible...

knowing the G-forces helicopters can pull on dip landings from military pilots I've flown with is fucking insane.




knowing the speed involved,as much as i had my balls in my chest,this had to be 10x worse roller coaster from hell. :heckno:

[JD¹³]

horrible...

knowing the G-forces helicopters can pull on dip landings from military pilots I've flown with is fucking insane.

knowing the speed involved,as much as i had my balls in my chest,this had to be 10x worse roller coaster from hell. :heckno:
Actually helicopters can't pull much G at all, the rotors and head are easily over stressed. If you're not used to G a little can feel like a lot, pulling 2G in the Griffon or Chinook would feel like an extreme maneuver . I don't remember the G limits for the Griffon because it's not something we would ever be pushing during normal operations, a 45 degree turn was an unofficial "do not go past". The most capable helicopters in the world such as the AH-64D Apache and the Messerschmitt BO-105 (Red Bull aerobatic) can only pull MAX 3.5G.

[Mr.Money]

^^^ interesting,yeah this pilots pushed fully down to land & nobody was prepared so it felt like alot,the guy next to me got light headed,felt like we dropped 100 meters in 2 seconds.

soon as he got close enough to the ground he pulled up and you just heard the helicopter blades loudly chopping.


probably because i wasn't prepared or use to it,felt violent.

[FatalCloud]

wow kobe 1978-2020 gianna 2006-2020 1978+2020+2006+2020=8024 ->his jersey numbers
add the numbers up individually, =41, his age

also his last game, the score was 101-96. he scored 60 pts, 101-60=41
he subbed out with 4.1 seconds left. the last player to take a shot in the game? trey lyles...his jersey #...41

GOD'S PLAN

[SkinnyPupp]

wow kobe 1978-2020 gianna 2006-2020 1978+2020+2006+2020=8024 ->his jersey numbers
add the numbers up individually, =41, his age

also his last game, the score was 101-96. he scored 60 pts, 101-60=41
he subbed out with 4.1 seconds left. the last player to take a shot in the game? trey lyles...his jersey #...41

GOD'S PLAN
Why didn't you post this 2 weeks ago?

[JD¹³]

^^^ interesting,yeah this pilots pushed fully down to land & nobody was prepared so it felt like alot,the guy next to me got light headed,felt like we dropped 100 meters in 2 seconds.

soon as he got close enough to the ground he pulled up and you just heard the helicopter blades loudly chopping.

probably because i wasn't prepared or use to it,felt violent.
Tactical Deceleration's are a lot of fun :) Good airspeed, high rate of descent, standing the helo on its tail and cranking on the collective to bring it to a stop.

https://i.imgur.com/LdvvmcX.jpg

[westopher]

wow kobe 1978-2020 gianna 2006-2020 1978+2020+2006+2020=8024 ->his jersey numbers
add the numbers up individually, =41, his age

also his last game, the score was 101-96. he scored 60 pts, 101-60=41
he subbed out with 4.1 seconds left. the last player to take a shot in the game? trey lyles...his jersey #...41

GOD'S PLAN



https://filmschoolrejects.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/number-23-700x525.jpg

[whitev70r]

Give me any random 2 people's birth year and year they died and with some combination of addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, or square root, I bet I can make something out of nothing. Fool.

[StylinRed]

https://filmschoolrejects.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/number-23-700x525.jpg

That was a good movie, only seen it once though hmm is it on Netflix hm

[westopher]

That was probably top 10 worst movies of all time LOL.

[pastarocket]

Rest in Peace, Kobe and Gianna. :tears:

-very emotional speeches for Mamba and Gigi by his wife Vanessa, his best friends, MJ, Shaq, etc at the Staples Center. :tears:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCwXMUM3wog&feature=emb_title