[!Aznboi128]

https://wieck-honda-production.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/b7c02142e0713fb65186dd9ed34a2b21bc038d2e/preview-928x522.jpg

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news: https://jalopnik.com/this-is-apparently-the-2021-acura-tlx-and-it-looks-almo-1843688057

It looks like it'll get a 2L Turbo that's in the RDX to replace the 3.5L V6. The Type-S will get a 3L twin-turbo v6. All models get double-wishbone front suspension as opposed to Macpherson struts.

Full release will be on May 28th

[!Aznboi128]

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hmmmm interior is ... unique

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"Acura Exclusive Sports Sedan Chassis" - guess it's not shared with the Accord which is nice

[twitchyzero]

2.2" wider and mid-frame reinforcement should be very nice...constant torque up to 5200rpm in the 2.0T is interesting too

trackpad still there :rukidding:

[donjalapeno]

Looks pretty good lets hope the pricing is decently competitive with the German rivals. People in the entry level luxury market will most likely still buy a C/3/A4 mostly due to brand recognition and aggressive lease programs.

[Akinari]

Based on the photos, the proportions of the centre console looks really odd, kinda stubby, cramped, and almost dated in a sense (read: very Honda-like).

The same interior styling language seems to have been applied much better in the RDX.

The exterior however, looks gorgeous. The turbo V6 should be a banger too.

https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/webp/2020/05/Acura-2021-TLX-21544.webp

[twitchyzero]

can you even call them rivals because Acura's a few rungs below BMW or Lexus

not like Infiniti bad but these days they pretty much has to make sure Kia (Stinger) and Mazda (upcoming inline-6 RWD) won't steal its lunch

[!LittleDragon]

Is the AWD still FWD biased?

Why is this so much cheaper than a G80? Are they not both mid size luxury sedans? Then again, parked next to my cousin's 5 series, my Genesis is quite a bit bigger. It's more 7 series size.

[!Aznboi128]

Is the AWD still FWD biased?

Why is this so much cheaper than a G80? Are they not both mid size luxury sedans? Then again, parked next to my cousin's 5 series, my Genesis is quite a bit bigger. It's more 7 series size.
Current TLX falls more in line with the G70 in terms of size

[vitaminG]

Is the AWD still FWD biased?

Why is this so much cheaper than a G80? Are they not both mid size luxury sedans? Then again, parked next to my cousin's 5 series, my Genesis is quite a bit bigger. It's more 7 series size.

Yes it sounds like the base 2.0 is fwd standard. All the sh awd are fwd base

[nsx042003]

did it really take 17 years to make the TL catch up to other brand's performance metrics? (infiniti, BMW, Benz similar offering) it's been pretty stagnant since the 6mt TL of 2004.

[Hakkaboy]

did it really take 17 years to make the TL catch up to other brand's performance metrics? (infiniti, BMW, Benz similar offering) it's been pretty stagnant since the 6mt TL of 2004.

I'm definitely not a fan of the 4G TL's looks, but I highly doubt it was way behind of a 2009 G37 metrics?

[!Aznboi128]

^ Agree, the G is just as dated as the TLX if not even more. The only thing that's good about the current gen Q50/Q60 is the engine (and looks on the Q60)

[!Aznboi128]

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Looks like the base will have a 2L Turbo 10-speed auto, SH-awd is optional 272hp and 280lb-ft of torque
Type-s varriant will get a 3L turbo 10-speed auto and SHAWD as standard no hp figures but estimated to be 350hp

All cars get double wishbone front suspension and multiline rear. Type S even gets Brembo front brakes

Wheelbase (in.) 113.0 (+3.7)
Length (in.) 194.6 (+2.9)
Width (in.) 75.2 (+2.2)
Height (in.) 56.4 (-0.6)
slightly bigger interior volume at 93.4 cu ft (+0.1) and trunk 13.5cu ft (+0.3)

[supafamous]

That size is kinda ridiculous - 195" in a "compact/midsize" segment competing against a 186" 3 series/A4. I sure hope there's a smaller sedan coming for the more typical tastes of Canadians.

[amusegt1]

That size is kinda ridiculous - 195" in a "compact/midsize" segment competing against a 186" 3 series/A4. I sure hope there's a smaller sedan coming for the more typical tastes of Canadians.

Its longer than the new E class.
Now i wonder how much it weighs.

Was hoping they would put a DCT in the Type-S.
Other than that, it looks good.

[!Aznboi128]

That size is kinda ridiculous - 195" in a "compact/midsize" segment competing against a 186" 3 series/A4. I sure hope there's a smaller sedan coming for the more typical tastes of Canadians.
It's about time for them to refresh the ILX. an upscale civic does make sense.

[twitchyzero]

red is nice but give us BOM back

https://live.staticflickr.com/25/66859867_d2b3a2ae21_b.jpg

[Acura604]

https://driving.ca/acura/auto-news/news/acuras-tlx-type-s-will-boast-355-horsepower-about-as-much-torque

The Acura TLX Type S debuted with gorgeous concept car styling, which was enough to get our attention, but now we’re getting a better idea of the power that will back up those good looks.

The new 3.0-litre V6 produces 355 horsepower and 354 lb.-ft. of torque, the company said late Jult, which is 65 hp more than the old TLX V6.

Those power figures slot the TLX Type S perfectly in between the Audi S4 and the BMW M340i.

Power is sent to all four wheels via a 10-speed automatic transmission; and speaking of wheels, they’re 20 inches across and feature 255/35 all-season tires as standard. Performance tires are an extra-cost option.

While there isn’t a manual option for the TLX, we’re holding out hope other Type-S-badged vehicles will have the option to row your own gears.

The base-model TLX will receive a 2.0-litre turbocharged four-cylinder producing 272 horsepower and 280 lb.-ft. of torque.

Active dampers are an option for the base model, but they’re standard on the Type S.

Outside of the output news, Acura also announced two base-model TLX vehicles will participate in the Pike’s Peak Hill Climb in 2020. One of them will be tuned slightly with a bigger turbocharger and intercooler; but the other will be closer to stock, and driven by Justin Lumbard.

A Type S version of the TLX will also act as the pace car for the event, and will be driven by chassis engineer Nick Robinson.

We won’t see the TLX hit showrooms until the spring of 2021, but you’ll be able to watch those two of ’em fly up Pikes Peak on August 30.

https://postmediadriving.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/lrkhk-e1590787676400.jpeg?quality=80&strip=all&w=960&h=480&crop=1

[JDMDreams]

Would anyone even buy this? I hardly see any new 3 series or c class anymore. I feel everyone buying a new small sedan are getting model 3s.

[!Aznboi128]

^ most are moving to electric and SUVs.

Sedans are a dying market

[inv4zn]

I'm glad they finally realized 15" emblems on the front wasn't a good look.

[!Aznboi128]

Bumping an older thread but just got into a TLX a-spec for the week. If you guys have any questions let me know.

1st impression
-not bad, drives well.
-hood is long
-cowl is low
-engine note is as boring as most 4 cylinders
-good pickup/torque

[EvoFire]

Bumping an older thread but just got into a TLX a-spec for the week. If you guys have any questions let me know.

1st impression
-not bad, drives well.
-hood is long
-cowl is low
-engine note is as boring as most 4 cylinders
-good pickup/torque

The 2.0t?
FWD or AWD?
How's the rear seat space?
How's the transmission? There were quirks in the RDX which I didn't like, specifically when you slowed down to a crawl, it stays in a higher gear and it took a longer split second than I would like to down shift and go.

The long hood thing is weird, it's a transverse layout right?

[bcrdukes]

Bumping an older thread but just got into a TLX a-spec for the week. If you guys have any questions let me know.

1st impression
-not bad, drives well.
-hood is long
-cowl is low
-engine note is as boring as most 4 cylinders
-good pickup/torque

In the market at the end of the year / 2022 for a mid-sized sedan.

Questions for you

1. Would you buy this?
2. If yes, which package/trim would you pick, and options?
3. If you weren't to buy this, why?
4. Any recommendations / alternatives?
5. Is the interior the usual Acura interior in terms of materials?

I've always felt that Acura's interiors aren't the greatest when compared to say its Japanese counterparts, and definitely its European competitors, despite it being compared to them. I find that their interior materials don't age very well.

Thanks in advance!

Edit: Are there Mugen and Spoon parts for it? :troll: but not troll

[lowside67]

red is nice but give us BOM back

https://live.staticflickr.com/25/66859867_d2b3a2ae21_b.jpg
... said nobody ever.

RIP Burnt Orange Metallic. Along with "Phoenix Gold" on the E46 M3, and the similar C6Z orange color.

-Mark

[EvoFire]

In the market at the end of the year / 2022 for a mid-sized sedan.

Questions for you

1. Would you buy this?
2. If yes, which package/trim would you pick, and options?
3. If you weren't to buy this, why?
4. Any recommendations / alternatives?
5. Is the interior the usual Acura interior in terms of materials?

I've always felt that Acura's interiors aren't the greatest when compared to say its Japanese counterparts, and definitely its European competitors, despite it being compared to them. I find that their interior materials don't age very well.

Thanks in advance!

Edit: Are there Mugen and Spoon parts for it? :troll: but not troll

Interesting you don't like their interiors, cause I actually quite like them except for the stupid button shifter. Doesn't save any space(I feel it actually uses more space) and is not intuitive to a first time user (I feel the same way for BMW's bouncing stick too).

[!Aznboi128]

The 2.0t?
FWD or AWD?
How's the rear seat space?
How's the transmission? There were quirks in the RDX which I didn't like, specifically when you slowed down to a crawl, it stays in a higher gear and it took a longer split second than I would like to down shift and go.

The long hood thing is weird, it's a transverse layout right?

Yes 2.0t, only engine available at the moment
SH-AWD, in Canada you can't get FWD
rear seat is okay, tight about the same as Lexus IS or Infiniti Q50
depends on driving mode, in normal it seems to want to hold on to a higher gear but once you give it some throttle it downshifts and go. Not the fastest but not the slowest neither.

In the market at the end of the year / 2022 for a mid-sized sedan.

Questions for you

1. Would you buy this?
2. If yes, which package/trim would you pick, and options?
3. If you weren't to buy this, why?
4. Any recommendations / alternatives?
5. Is the interior the usual Acura interior in terms of materials?

I've always felt that Acura's interiors aren't the greatest when compared to say its Japanese counterparts, and definitely its European competitors, despite it being compared to them. I find that their interior materials don't age very well.

Thanks in advance!

Edit: Are there Mugen and Spoon parts for it? :troll: but not troll

1) hmmm if you were someone that likes how card drives you would want to look into this. Comparing this to Q50 and IS this is far better.
2) Looking at the specs I would get the Tech package. It gives you everything you need without the glitter the a-spec has.
3) The only reason why I would consider something else is if I want something a bit bigger. For example the Accord with the 2.0t is faster and roomier front, rear and trunk space but it's not as engaging to drive.
4)Infiniit Q50/Lexus IS for your Japanese rivals, G70/Stinger for Korean, Ct5 and Tesla model 3 for American, Mercedes C-Class, BMW 3-Series, Audi A4 for German rivals
5)hmmm the door cards can be better, the upper trim feels a bit cheaper wished it was leather.

Interesting you don't like their interiors, cause I actually quite like them except for the stupid button shifter. Doesn't save any space(I feel it actually uses more space) and is not intuitive to a first time user (I feel the same way for BMW's bouncing stick too).

I get these cars for a week but even within the week the shifter is easy to get used to for owners it should be muscle memory in a few weeks.

[BIC_BAWS]

Curious to know if the 10spd auto is better than the last gen ZF9. I know a few people who really didn't like the last gen's ZF9 and was the ultimate reason they didn't purchase. I'm curious how the TLX Type S compares to the Q50 Red Sport 400. HP wise ofc no comparison, but apparently the Q50 Red Sport 400 doesn't even drive that nice.

[!Aznboi128]

Hard to say without driving them back to back but the 9-speed had its fair share of issues.

As for the type S, we'll have to wait.

[bcrdukes]

Interesting you don't like their interiors, cause I actually quite like them except for the stupid button shifter. Doesn't save any space(I feel it actually uses more space) and is not intuitive to a first time user (I feel the same way for BMW's bouncing stick too).

Ergonomics aside, I've always felt that Acura interiors felt cheap compared to their rivals.

For example, I don't care for their seat fabrics or their plastics. Plastic toys from Fisher Price and Lego feel like a premium product in comparison. They tend not to age very well at all. unless this has changed, this has always been Acura's major downfall for me to consider them a top contender when car shopping. Only exception is NSX, but who are we kidding here. :accepted: :concentrate:

The last time I went car shopping was back I think in 2011 or 2012 when I had considered a TSX. I walked on the purchase as it boiled down to the interior bothering me so much.

@Aznboi128 - Thanks for that. Was looking at the CT5-V online today. Seems neat. Interesting price point. Lexus (new) would only leave the ES as a feasible option; The new IS is worth considering but not on the list now. $90K for a GS opens up the door for other makes/models (Alfa Romeo Quadrifoglio is an interesting choice) but I'm not part of the 1% Revscene Elite who owns a $2.5M house.

[JDMDreams]

^^ buy a model 3 then save the gas maintenance money for the $2.5m house? As a dd it's really hard to justify buying a gas car now. Now that regular is pretty much back at $1.4 and no one will want this 5 years down the road when you want to get rid of it.

[EvoFire]

Ergonomics aside, I've always felt that Acura interiors felt cheap compared to their rivals.

For example, I don't care for their seat fabrics or their plastics. Plastic toys from Fisher Price and Lego feel like a premium product in comparison. They tend not to age very well at all. unless this has changed, this has always been Acura's major downfall for me to consider them a top contender when car shopping. Only exception is NSX, but who are we kidding here. :accepted: :concentrate:

The last time I went car shopping was back I think in 2011 or 2012 when I had considered a TSX. I walked on the purchase as it boiled down to the interior bothering me so much.

@Aznboi128 - Thanks for that. Was looking at the CT5-V online today. Seems neat. Interesting price point. Lexus (new) would only leave the ES as a feasible option; The new IS is worth considering but not on the list now. $90K for a GS opens up the door for other makes/models (Alfa Romeo Quadrifoglio is an interesting choice) but I'm not part of the 1% Revscene Elite who owns a $2.5M house.

I drove a friend's beak TL from Vancouver to Penticton and it was nice. Again it was the transmission that bugged me but it's quite an old design nowadays so you can't compare it to the current industry standard in a ZF8. Plus I'm a manual guy so most automatics don't do it for me (I was unhappy with the DCT in my F56 Mini as well).

Acura always felt like a well put together Japanese car. You get in and you know right away it's Japanese and not a Euro. The latest Toyotas design all seem quite American in comparison where everything is chunky.

I like how the new IS looks, I don't like how it's a rehashed last gen car which is already 8 years old. Granted, we test drove the IS350 RWD F Sport when it came out in 2013 and it was easily the best drive out of Audi/BMW/MB. But that infotainment touchpad thing..... Why is the IS out of contention? The ES is quite far away from what the IS is, and much more grandpa feeling than the TLX.

[bcrdukes]

Size wise, the IS would be smaller than the Corolla iM I'm coming from. The ES being grandpa feeling is for consideration because it's grandpa. I don't live in Vancouver anymore and the roads here in Toronto are atrocious. The Porsche will continue to serve its purpose as a fun car.

That being said, the Corolla can stick around for a while as I don't need to replace it. It's slow, reliable, somewhat fun, but slow. Did I mention that it's slow? Any how, a new car is just a want. There are time where a higher output car is sometimes required to get in and out of lane changes in Toronto because everyone makes a left turn like the Asian lady in Family Guy at 120km/h+

[BIC_BAWS]

Ergonomics aside, I've always felt that Acura interiors felt cheap compared to their rivals.

For example, I don't care for their seat fabrics or their plastics. Plastic toys from Fisher Price and Lego feel like a premium product in comparison. They tend not to age very well at all. unless this has changed, this has always been Acura's major downfall for me to consider them a top contender when car shopping.

I still think my civic leather and interior quality is better than the comparable ILX of the same gen LOL.

@Aznboi128 - Thanks for that. Was looking at the CT5-V online today. Seems neat. Interesting price point

All in CT5-V Blackwing is 110K.. but it beats the competition with the MANUAL TRANSMISSION. I would never consider an American car (tho I did consider CTS-V/ATS-V in my thread), but it comes in MANUAL. V8. SEDAN. 668HP. + GM/Cadillac SuperCruise :megusta:

[supafamous]

Curious to know if the 10spd auto is better than the last gen ZF9. I know a few people who really didn't like the last gen's ZF9 and was the ultimate reason they didn't purchase. I'm curious how the TLX Type S compares to the Q50 Red Sport 400. HP wise ofc no comparison, but apparently the Q50 Red Sport 400 doesn't even drive that nice.

The 10 speed is a big improvement over the ZF9 - definitely crisper and faster shifts. In the RDX the tuning is so-so though but I found the TLX tuning to be much improved. It's not a DCT or a ZF8 but in the TLX (in my short drive) it was plenty good enough.

[!Aznboi128]

Yea, the CT5-v is 50k exactly the same price as the a-spec that I have. The CT5-v has much more power, better suspension and a whole bunch more. Cadillac has one of the price per performance ratios but would you buy it? that's a whole other question.

[bcrdukes]

Cadillac has one of the price per performance ratios but would you buy it? that's a whole other question.

I think we all know the answer. :lol

[ijaz_97]

Yea, the CT5-v is 50k exactly the same price as the a-spec that I have. The CT5-v has much more power, better suspension and a whole bunch more. Cadillac has one of the price per performance ratios but would you buy it? that's a whole other question.

Would be surprised if the Caddy makes it to 100k with no issues.

[EvoFire]

Size wise, the IS would be smaller than the Corolla iM I'm coming from. The ES being grandpa feeling is for consideration because it's grandpa. I don't live in Vancouver anymore and the roads here in Toronto are atrocious. The Porsche will continue to serve its purpose as a fun car.

That being said, the Corolla can stick around for a while as I don't need to replace it. It's slow, reliable, somewhat fun, but slow. Did I mention that it's slow? Any how, a new car is just a want. There are time where a higher output car is sometimes required to get in and out of lane changes in Toronto because everyone makes a left turn like the Asian lady in Family Guy at 120km/h+

Didn't know you were in Toronto.

This guy, who has a Porsche as a fun car, is ribbing people for 250k income :suspicious:

I hate to say it, but get a SUV. And I know the iM is slooooooow. I drove one in Australia on the Great Ocean Road. MIL also has one. It's slooooooow.

[BIC_BAWS]

Would be surprised if the Caddy makes it to 100k with no issues.

I mean it gets the Z06/ZL1's 6.2L SC V8, LT4 motor, so I think those are relatively reliable.

[bcrdukes]

Didn't know you were in Toronto.

This guy, who has a Porsche as a fun car, is ribbing people for 250k income :suspicious:

I hate to say it, but get a SUV. And I know the iM is slooooooow. I drove one in Australia on the Great Ocean Road. MIL also has one. It's slooooooow.

Slow is okay in the city. 0 - 60 times don't matter when you're stuck on the Gardiner Expressway or on King Street during rush hour. I've since moved out of Toronto proper and the iM is still ok, except for highway driving where torque is really appreciated when getting on and off highways.

Porsche is nothing special; Just a Boxster S. Slow and cheap compared to Honda Civics in this day and age.

[prudz]

... said nobody ever.

RIP Burnt Orange Metallic. Along with "Phoenix Gold" on the E46 M3, and the similar C6Z orange color.

-Mark


real talk I love phoenix gold on m3's and austin yellow. Come at me bruh.

[twitchyzero]

i then present you imola orange pearl

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/LwR1TiQV1h5Mly-oqyByNuvLi5y9jfqEt_rBfdLzilDVsW3YBQ_PlV1IdnWh5ojCt Pa1ZwE20J69hb8SjG51rAhkG5VFU3k

[bcrdukes]

Bump

Hoping to keep this thread alive and for more reviews from !Aznboi128 (no pressure!)

The TLX is still on my list of candidates. I'm drooling for the Type S but unsure of its release date. I may try to book an appointment with Lexus to see the IS and the ES this weekend and hoping to see the Alfa Romeo Giulia today. Size wise, I understand the TLX and Giulia should be more or less the same.

Depreciation wise, the Alfa is going to take a huge hit. I'm more comfortable with Acura and Lexus being able to hold their value better. A big "No" to the Genesis as they are worth nothing and poor resale.

[AstulzerRZD]

Size wise, I understand the TLX and Giulia should be more or less the same.

Depreciation wise, the Alfa is going to take a huge hit. I'm more comfortable with Acura and Lexus being able to hold their value better. A big "No" to the Genesis as they are worth nothing and poor resale.

That would be kind of sad. The Giulia I looked at had a puny trunk (smaller than IS) and back seat.

[roastpuff]

The new TLX is big outside but really small inside. It's bizarre IMO and takes away an advantage for Acura from before. 355hp for a Type-S is also underwhelming.

[bcrdukes]

The new TLX is big outside but really small inside. It's bizarre IMO and takes away an advantage for Acura from before. 355hp for a Type-S is also underwhelming.

You nailed it on the head.

Went to see the TLX A-Spec and the Lexus IS300/350 and ES250/350. The TLX is just bizarre. It still tries to brand itself as premium but the materials and fit and finish don't compare to Lexus in any way. And yes, the TLX looks big on the outside, but inside...it was like WTF? :alone:

Also went to see the Giulia today. Size wise (interior) it looks and felt almost like an IS300/350. While it drove nicely, it wasn't that much better than the Lexus. The trunk on the Giulia was awful. Alfa Romeo is a no go for me. Being a self admitted Alfa Romeo fan boy (and having once owned one) the Alfa will have to wait another day.

[roastpuff]

I went and put a deposit down on an IS500 today at JP Lexus. Barring any crazy pricing mismatches or options not being there that I really want (360 cam, ML Audio) I see that as my next car.

[bcrdukes]

Good luck and let us know how it goes!

[double0seven]

real talk I love phoenix gold on m3's and austin yellow. Come at me bruh.

I'm just not a fan of austin yellow. Might grow on me though :considered:

[AstulzerRZD]

While it drove nicely, it wasn't that much better than the Lexus.

That Lexus suspension tune is great. That ZF box in the Giulia is superbly tuned though.... way more so than in the Charger/Challenger

[BIC_BAWS]

Type S revving video shot at a local Acura dealership. I'd say it sounds like a tractor, but that would be offensive to RoverT's 335d.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2587259708211712/permalink/2980212142249798/

Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

[supafamous]

Type S revving video shot at a local Acura dealership. I'd say it sounds like a tractor, but that would be offensive to RoverT's 335d.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2587259708211712/permalink/2980212142249798/

Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

Need to be a member of that group to see it. Here's another clip:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Acura/comments/o581bz/exhaust_sound_on_the_type_s/

Sounds ok to me but nothing special and could use a bit more sizzle.

[Hakkaboy]

Here's the sound from inside the Type S, but with annoying salespeople talking

https://youtu.be/6KPQY0BtP4o

[essel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLo95V8Lnqs

dynoed at 280whp. was kind of hoping for more

[supafamous]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLo95V8Lnqs

dynoed at 280whp. was kind of hoping for more

While the Type S is getting decent reviews it's a pretty underwhelming effort from Acura IMO. This is their top of line engine, likely the last new gas engine they produce that's intended to power their largest vehicles like a MDX and all they do is a single turbo that makes 355hp? At least be competitive with Mercedes and BMW at around 380hp (the BMW is way underrated too). Give it a 48v electrical system for some light hybrid assist.

I can't imagine Acura engineers going "Let's best only the lowest powered competition by 1hp with an all new turbo V6" but that's what it seems like it choose to do. They might have well spent the money on hybridising the 2.0T to give it another 100hp which would have given them something to really talk about (better fuel economy, V6 performance from a 4 etc)

[JDMDreams]

^ it's $60k too so I'm not sure who the target audience is. Since the g70 g80 is a thing now.

[mb_]

You nailed it on the head.

Went to see the TLX A-Spec and the Lexus IS300/350 and ES250/350. The TLX is just bizarre. It still tries to brand itself as premium but the materials and fit and finish don't compare to Lexus in any way. And yes, the TLX looks big on the outside, but inside...it was like WTF? :alone:



My girlfriend recently just bought a 2021 TLX A-Spec and this is pretty much how I feel about it. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice car but when you're comparing it to the competition I find it kind of falls short. Fit and finish feels like it's halfway between a Honda and a Lexus and same with the materials used.

I always considered Lexus' infotainment to be a bit boring and non-innovative when you compare it to the Germans but one thing I really dislike about the TLX is the infotainment and the "true touch" touch pad is terrible imo. Don't even get me started about Honda's/Acura's stupid "shifter".

I haven't had very much seat time with it but it does drive nice, chassis and suspension feels responsive especially for it's choker weight and transmission feels good. Would I get one myself? Most likely not.

[bcrdukes]

I hope she is not on Revscene

[68style]

I’d be pretty pumped if my woman chose something like an A-Spec TLX at least she’s got a bit of enthusiast in her or likes cool looking stuff!!

[mb_]

I hope she is not on Revscene
Even if she was, I already told her what I thought but whatever makes her happy and it's her money right? :lawl:

I’d be pretty pumped if my woman chose something like an A-Spec TLX at least she’s got a bit of enthusiast in her or likes cool looking stuff!!
She's got a bit of car blood in her, her mom used to have an NSX back in the day :cool:

[BIC_BAWS]

My girlfriend recently just bought a 2021 TLX A-Spec and this is pretty much how I feel about it.

Oh so that was your girlfriend [emoji102]


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[68style]

Even if she was, I already told her what I thought but whatever makes her happy and it's her money right? :lawl:


She's got a bit of car blood in her, her mom used to have an NSX back in the day :cool:

If she still had it, I'd dump her and go for the mom :fullofwin:

[trollface]

She meant the Nissan NX, not the NSX.

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usedphotosna/81965526_614.jpg

[68style]

Well at least that answers the which came first question… was definitely the egg

[twitchyzero]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmOzv32o8Tk

wonder how much acura spent versus how many will actually sell

[!Aznboi128]

From ^ review, the type-s is exactly how the type-s was before. Just a small upgrade to the TL/TLX line rather than an all-out performance sedan. At $60k it's cheaper than M340i but more than the G70 with the 3.3T.

[twitchyzero]

i dont think it's small upgrade at least not in cost: gaining 2-cyl, bracing, sways, bigger brakes etc.

the performance dont seem match up going like 85% of a type-r like the is500 is to a F

i know almost no one's gonna take this on track regularly but probably the expectations were too high after fk8 managed to hang or beat german rivals in traditionally superior layouts..rdx also knocked it out of the park besides infotainement and fuel efficency

possibly a tune will make it shine especially shift points, bummer on the weight given it also has to replace the RLX

maybe the nsx type-s detailed in a few days will make up for the marketing

[roastpuff]

I think that Acura over-hyped the car (see the marketing material) and didn't deliver to back up what they were claiming. Sad and unfortunate.

[Hakkaboy]

The performance jump on the new Type S over the Aspec TLX does seem to be more of an upgrade than the 3G Type S over base TL, but yeah, the German's are on a different level.

https://youtu.be/MTdcjrTaxBA?t=487

[twitchyzero]

i dont think they would've done double wishbones/aluminum bits if they didn't plan the type S

so in that regard it's a letdown (some bespoke design yet still underperforming compared to the competition)

[nabs]

I just saw one of these on the road at night in black, it looks amazing! It looks like a super car from the back at night.

[k3mps]

I had a discussion with a friend recently about this car and thought of this thread.
Here are my opinions and mine only.

I've never been a fan of Honda's / Acura's personally despite us having owned 2 MDXs of 2 generations (and both had numerous problems, mostly the same)
I've always found their cars underwhelming and overrated.

The TLX-S is definitely one of them.
Now my friend is a big Honda fanboy so we bickered around about this car.
He said the car was very quick and that's what the marketing and hype will make you believe however we all know 355 hp/tq in a 4250lb car, make a fast car it does not.

Then we talked about the competition - G70, S4, M340i, Q50.

The S4 is a few thousand more, has similar HP, more torque, weighs a few hundred pounds less, is almost a second faster to 60, better interior, and arguably more dynamic to drive. Having driven the S4, I quite like the Quattro AWD feel when pushed hard.

The M340i is also several thousand more however has much more power, is much faster to 60, arguably the best in class in terms of driving dynamics, and sounds better.

The Q50 while much older has much more power, is faster to 60, weighs a bit less, and with the experience I have behind the wheel of the Red Sport, I can't imagine can drive worse than the TLX-S. The Q50 at least will rotate as requested around bends.

The G70 comes in at a lower price point for the comparable 3.3T engine, has more power, is faster and lighter, reportedly very dynamic to drive, and has a better warranty, and has the "Genesis at Home" experience.

I understand it has a lower price point than S4/M340i or even C43, however I don't think people shopping for TLX-S are necessarily the people who would be shopping an S4/340/C43. They are however people that will buy one and tell you it's on par performance wise as any of those cars because that's what Acura has hyped the car to be.
Reliability? Having talked to Service personnel at Acura dealers, they seem to have their fair share of problems just like any other brand.
I don't believe people who are shopping around this type of car will care too much about the 5-10,000 difference between this and the Germans as they're already in such a high price bracket and looking for a specific driving experience but I could be completely wrong. I think the interior is subpar in terms of ergonomics and materials as well.

TL/DR I think the car's a flop and I think they completely missed the mark, but what do I know about cars. Take my opinion with a grain of salt.

[TypeRNammer]

https://youtu.be/cOyJr9qbmfM

Throttle House recently did a drag race, looked slow compared to the Stinger and G70

[!Aznboi128]

I've driven both the G70 and Stinger, they're quick cars and in this comparison, the Stinger is the obvious winner. Bigger back seats, more usable trunk as it's a hatch and it's priced less. But people who are buying this segment see the badge Acura vs Kia and people will think of a high-end vehicle vs a Hyundai Pony.

It's sad but it's the truth.

Speaking of comparison, you can get a CT5-V for 50k Canadian sure it's only RWD but it's a bargain for everything you're getting.

[supafamous]

I don't get a lot of Acura's engineering decisions - a turbo V6 that's their best engine and it makes less power than all of their competitors AND they have a turbo 2L that's top of class so why a measly ~80hp more than the 2L? Should have been at least 120hp more - 380-390 to be class competitive.

Then you've got an oversized car in the TLX with no compelling tradeoff (like amazing styling or way more space) to speak off - it's cramped, heavy, and big. WTF?

The Civic and Accord are world beaters in their class - you couldn't take that and build off of that? You couldn't take those engineers and build something new that's great?

[JDMDreams]

But sh AWD la :lawl:

[snowball]

I don't get a lot of Acura's engineering decisions - a turbo V6 that's their best engine and it makes less power than all of their competitors AND they have a turbo 2L that's top of class so why a measly ~80hp more than the 2L? Should have been at least 120hp more - 380-390 to be class competitive.

Then you've got an oversized car in the TLX with no compelling tradeoff (like amazing styling or way more space) to speak off - it's cramped, heavy, and big. WTF?

The Civic and Accord are world beaters in their class - you couldn't take that and build off of that? You couldn't take those engineers and build something new that's great?

Honda should stick to family, city, and "sporty" cars, clearly they are out of their element when it comes to luxury and top notch performance; I'm a big Honda fan so I wish they would stop embarrassing themselves.

[EvoFire]

The beak TL was last of the pack in terms of power a decade ago, it made it up by having handling in the bucket loads.

Seriously seems like Acura missed on this one as lots of complaints about weight AND handling on this car and add to that class losing power.

[bcrdukes]

Acura's current focus is on the NSX of which privateer teams have chosen to enter into IMSA racing as part of the platform. The TLX is too new for any privateer or factory race teams to adopt, so perhaps it's such a flop, they don't even want to put it no the track. (half-joking)