[hirevtuner]

killing off the Fit, Civic Coupe & 6 speed Accord

https://www.motor1.com/news/434539/honda-fit-civic-coupe-killed/#:~:text=Well%2C%20that's%20a%20whole%20bunch,of%2 0the%202020%20model%20year.

[320icar]

Welcome to the ford family of disappointment

Ford today announced it will phase out most cars it sells in North America. According to its latest financial release, the auto giant “will transition to two vehicles” — the Mustang and an unannounced vehicle, the Focus Active, being the only traditional cars it sells in the region. Ford sees 90 percent of its North America portfolio in trucks, utilities and commercial vehicles. Citing a reduction in consumer demand and product profitability, Ford is in turn not investing in the next generation of sedans. The Taurus is no more.

And funny enough, they also cancelled the focus active LOL so just the mustang...

[Teriyaki]

I for one, welcome our new crossover overlords. Not.

[JDMDreams]

I'm surprised to see that for the accord, at least you can still get it in the type r. But the civic and fit designs are pretty ugly.

[UnknownJinX]

I'm surprised to see that for the accord, at least you can still get it in the type r. But the civic and fit designs are pretty ugly.The writing is on the wall when you consider that no one other than Honda sells a FWD mid-size Sedan offers a manual anymore.

A bit surprised about the Fit but I guess small cars like that just aren't popular here.

[Akinari]

Not surprised at all, given the global circumstances. Cutting off unprofitable models makes perfect sense to me.

Generally speaking, people who still complain about the lack of manual options on the market, are likely part of the crowd of people who were never gonna buy a new family sedan or whatever with a manual anyway. The same type of person who calls the 86 or R35 GTR slow and lame, but have never even sat inside of one before.

Those who wanted a new manual Accord, already own a new manual Accord.

As for the Fit, from my perspective, the pricing is too close to the Civic, yet the Civic is so much more car for the money.

[ssjGoku69]

This all makes sense though. Why continue producing in the market when there isn't enough people buying it.


Kind of the same topic. Wow. This render of the 11th gen civic looks more grown up with the accord's front end.
https://i.imgur.com/LXbkZTX.jpg

[!LittleDragon]

When did the Civic get so big?

[Hehe]

I’ve gotta say, not surprised and not really felt much. Love the old civic coupe as that’s the vehicle we had in university and how I got to join rs.

But the market is about utilities now. With sedans design being aggressive enough, 4dr just make more sense and picking coupe becomes a luxury in itself.

[tegra7]

Civic Si is also being killed off for 2021.

[Bender Unit]

Good Move on the new Fit. It is ugly as fuck

[AstulzerRZD]

And funny enough, they also cancelled the focus active LOL so just the mustang...

To be fair, the Mustang trunk is fairly large, and the rear seats fairly usable if you get the convertible (can fit 2x 5'9" people back to back, or even reversible car seats if you're my coworker).

[twitchyzero]

fit feels like it's been stagnating for 10 years

civic coupe hasn't been desirable since 2000

why sell the manual accord when you can push customers to buy the higher priced manual-exclusive type R? a sound decision

[Jmac]

Manual Sport 2.0 Accords sold without much issue at all. I was watching them hoping they’d drop in price but instead watched them all disappear. There are dozens of manual 1.5s in BC.

Seems like all the available SIs are in coupe form. Coupe looks better but obviously not as practical.

[Koflach]

Honda has been treading water for the last 20 years and relying on the good will that they built up with customers in the 90's. Now a lot of people buy their cars based on habit. They really need to come up with some better looking cars as they are no better than Toyota at this point.

I was a huge Honda fan boy in the 90's. My first 2 cars were Honda CRX's and I still love those cars.

[AzNightmare]

Ford made this move like 2 years ago.
Just a matter of time when more brands start doing the same.

It really has little to do with the way these cars look. Money in North America are just simply going into bigger vehicles. Even if these vehicles were better looking (which is subjective), people will prioritize practicality. And a crossover or SUV offers more. They have performance SUV's, so people can enjoy going fast even if they want a utility vehicle.

Maybe just a matter of time before Honda can start slapping the "SI" and "Type R" badge on Crossovers and SUV's.
:derp:

[320icar]

But ‘going fast’ in an SUV is so non-comparable to a well set up sedan or hatchback. What was it that Jeremy Clarkson said about the bentley Continental super sport. Lemme look it up

“What they’ve tried to do here is turn an ocean liner into a speed boat ... if you want to go fast, buy the car that was designed to be a speedboat in the first place” - Jeremy clarkson

[fliptuner]

When did the Civic get so big?

I think the biggest jump was when the 8th gen came out, in 06.

Surprised they're dropping the Fit, though.

[320icar]

So the fiesta is gone, mazda 2 gone, fit gone, Yaris gone. What compact hatchback is left? That shitty Chevy spark?

[bcrdukes]

Maybe now compact hatchbacks will hit aircooled Porsche prices. :troll:

Car Nerd: "Wow, is that a first model year Echo?"
Uninterested Owner: "Uh, yeah. What's it to you?"
Car Nerd: "How many miles? Any accidents?"
Uninterested Owner: "Umm, something like 56,000KM. No accidents. We never drive it."
Car Nerd: "Want to sell it? How much do you want for it?"
Uninterested Owner: "Uhh..I wasn't thinking of selling it, to be honest."
Car Nerd: "I'll offer you $45,000 USD for it. SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!"

To be continued...

[twitchyzero]

So the fiesta is gone, mazda 2 gone, fit gone, Yaris gone. What compact hatchback is left? That shitty Chevy spark?

honestly people buying $20k new cars are better served buying used vehicles that used to be $35k+ and pocket the change

[AzNightmare]

So the fiesta is gone, mazda 2 gone, fit gone, Yaris gone. What compact hatchback is left? That shitty Chevy spark?

Unfortunately, majority of people don't care. Most people complain those cars are too small to be practical. And most people couldn't care less about fun go kart handling when they are just doing A to B commuting or look at how fast my V8 sport SUV can go in a straight line!! And it's super comfy while at it.

[underscore]

So the fiesta is gone, mazda 2 gone, fit gone, Yaris gone. What compact hatchback is left? That shitty Chevy spark?

I think the Corolla hatch is the wee-est one left?

[bcrdukes]

I'd say that Corolla hatchback will probably get killed off soon as well.

[underscore]

BUT WE JUST GOT IT.

The only thing people are getting from an SUV is a bigger trunk so why can we not at least get cars like the 1st gen Mazda 3 hatch and the Matrix with a hatch that's nearly vertical and not at a 45* angle like a lot of more compact hatches? Then you get the extra storage without having to waste fuel in some high riding vehicle that still has low ground clearance. Especially since cars are getting bigger the smaller SUVs are just a pointlessly high wagon.

Take an Escape, remove the plastic trim off the bottom edge and move the wheel centers (along with the wheel wells) up a couple inches. There's a sweet little wagon that's more economical to drive and won't fall over.

[Akinari]

BUT WE JUST GOT IT.

The only thing people are getting from an SUV is a bigger trunk so why can we not at least get cars like the 1st gen Mazda 3 hatch and the Matrix with a hatch that's nearly vertical and not at a 45* angle like a lot of more compact hatches? Then you get the extra storage without having to waste fuel in some high riding vehicle that still has low ground clearance. Especially since cars are getting bigger the smaller SUVs are just a pointlessly high wagon..
You've got it backwards, at least from my perspective and from conversations I've had with non-car guys who own small crossovers.

Non-car people generally don't care as much about having a ton of cargo space as you'd think. It's the fact that, higher-riding cars give you this false sense of "safety" and a "commanding" view of the road. It's the whole, you're riding on top of the car vs riding in the car thing, it's totally opposite from what car people/enthusiasts generally care about.

In fact, many of them get for example, the CX-3 over a Mazda 3, even though the trunk of the former is smaller than the latter. Like for god's sake Mazda literally made a lifted Mazda 3 with plastic body cladding and I'm seeing so many of them on the road now, vs the new Mazda 3 which doesn't seem like it's doing too well compared to the previous generations. People like driving lifted cars, that's really what it is.

That's why you keep seeing these awkwardly lifted hatchback-like crossovers from every single manufacturer around the world (CX3, CX30, HR-V, C-HR, GLA, Q3, X2/X1, etc. etc.), and they're selling like hotcakes because your mom and your aunt and her daughter and her daughter's 10 girlfriends and their non-car boyfriends all like these "safe" crossovers.

[!LittleDragon]

The commanding view of the road is no more now that everyone else has SUV's...

[AzNightmare]

You've got it backwards, at least from my perspective and from conversations I've had with non-car guys who own small crossovers.

Non-car people generally don't care as much about having a ton of cargo space as you'd think. It's the fact that, higher-riding cars give you this false sense of "safety" and a "commanding" view of the road. It's the whole, you're riding on top of the car vs riding in the car thing, it's totally opposite from what car people/enthusiasts generally care about.

In fact, many of them get for example, the CX-3 over a Mazda 3, even though the trunk of the former is smaller than the latter. Like for god's sake Mazda literally made a lifted Mazda 3 with plastic body cladding and I'm seeing so many of them on the road now, vs the new Mazda 3 which doesn't seem like it's doing too well compared to the previous generations. People like driving lifted cars, that's really what it is.

That's why you keep seeing these awkwardly lifted hatchback-like crossovers from every single manufacturer around the world (CX3, CX30, HR-V, C-HR, GLA, Q3, X2/X1, etc. etc.), and they're selling like hotcakes because your mom and your aunt and her daughter and her daughter's 10 girlfriends and their non-car boyfriends all like these "safe" crossovers.

It's also cause crossovers offer AWD when many sedans don't. Every mom and aunt is convinced AWD is better for safety in the winter, even though they're still running all seasons. That kind of false sense of security is what's going to cause an accident when they realize their AWD doesn't help them stop any faster.

[underscore]

You've got it backwards, at least from my perspective and from conversations I've had with non-car guys who own small crossovers.

Technically we're talking about two different things, what people get from it vs what they want from it. But I do agree that's going to be why loads of people buy them. Then they put junk all seasons on and roll it over in the winter :lol

[dark0821]

honestly people buying $20k new cars are better served buying used vehicles that used to be $35k+ and pocket the change

the problem is... people who are buying 20k new cars dont have money... they are going for the $200/mth finance for like 7/8 years or smth stupid.

Buying used is impractical to them due to the used car interest rates...

lol...tbh, they are probably already stretching a lil bit even at 200 a month + insurance + gas.... so buying a used 35k with unexpected maintenance + problems out of warranty...

[JDMDreams]

^^ I find this true, it's hard as hell to sell anything over $10k as ppl who has that much cash to throw around will probably buy new, and unless it's some unicorn car. It doesn't make sense to pick it up with a loan or line of credit. Or ppl shopping in that price range typically don't have access to that much credit. You see cars $10 to $20000 sit on cl for years or just eventually traded in.

[Mr.Money]

i rarely see brand new civic's on the streets,i don't know if Honda priced themselves out and people just bought cheaper eco boxes like toyota,or ended up going to the used car market first in these harder times.

[Jmac]

i rarely see brand new civic's on the streets,i don't know if Honda priced themselves out and people just bought cheaper eco boxes like toyota,or ended up going to the used car market first in these harder times.
It's the #2 selling vehicle in Canada behind the Rav4 ... Even in 2020, they've sold 13,100 to date (which is way down but everything is way down). They sold over 60,100 Civics last year (again, #2 selling vehicle in Canada behind the Rav4).

[bcrdukes]

i rarely see brand new civic's on the streets,i don't know if Honda priced themselves out and people just bought cheaper eco boxes like toyota,or ended up going to the used car market first in these harder times.

I want to make sure we are on the same planet and ask the question on when was the Civic not an econobox? (Type R and such models excluded.) :p

[yray]

civics are everywhere... my old parking neighbour has like 3 civics, new too

[SkunkWorks]

^^ I find this true, it's hard as hell to sell anything over $10k as ppl who has that much cash to throw around will probably buy new, and unless it's some unicorn car. It doesn't make sense to pick it up with a loan or line of credit. Or ppl shopping in that price range typically don't have access to that much credit. You see cars $10 to $20000 sit on cl for years or just eventually traded in.

Depends.

I had a hell of a lot more time wasters when I listed my $5k Insight vs my $60k 911.

[SkunkWorks]

Also, if anyone knows of a 6 speed 2.0T Accord in the pearl white, please send me a PM :)

[!Aznboi128]

Source: https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a33348989/honda-fit-civic-coupe-cancelled/

Manual option for the Accord I can understand, it's not a popular option, and the automatic was faster.

Civic Coupe... harder to swallow. IMO the coupe isn't the best looking, but a coupe has been in the lineup for so long, and it's quite sad to see it die off.

Fit. Honda US sold 35k fits in for 2019 and 99k of the HR-V so I can understand, but the fit lives on in other countries it's just because NA loves their "SUV" we lose the Fit to the HR-V.

[Simplex123]

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[!Aznboi128]

fuq.. merged thread

[320icar]

Buying used is impractical to them due to the used car interest rates...


A great point to bring up. Why by a certified pre-owned 2 year old mazda 3 for only ~5k less than MSRP @ 5.99%, when you can just get a brand new one for 1.99% and at the end of financing pay less overall.

[mikemhg]

I have a 2019 Civic Coupe, does that mean I should get rid of this thing ASAP? Was planning to buy out and sell it at the end of the lease term, but curious if it would be better to simply provide back to the dealership at the end of the lease term.

[Hehe]

I have a 2019 Civic Coupe, does that mean I should get rid of this thing ASAP? Was planning to buy out and sell it at the end of the lease term, but curious if it would be better to simply provide back to the dealership at the end of the lease term.

It's still quite new. I wouldn't worry too much about it in both senses of finding parts and resell.

Usually, when a car gets discontinued, you can still get parts (brand new) decades after the fact. I.E: a Honda Prelude... which my friend has and was recently (well, late 2019, but still a good 10+ year before being discontinued) involved in a relatively minor accident, but the whole rear bumper needed to be replaced, and it was done with a brand new one.

[Akinari]

Not related to Honda, but goes back to my point of, the people who beg for manuals and make a huge fuss when they're gone, were not going to buy a new car with a manual transmission anyway. I almost feel like automakers who still put manual boxes in similar cars, are just doing it for the journalists and to get good press/PR stunt.

https://www.carscoops.com/2020/07/genesis-confirms-it-will-ditch-the-g70s-manual-gearbox-option/

Should be obvious by now, but the tiny percentage of people who buy new cars with a stick, requires the automakers making them to truly have deep pockets. If I recall from reading reviews, the manual box in the G70 was sort of half-assed as well.

[Qmx323]

You've got it backwards, at least from my perspective and from conversations I've had with non-car guys who own small crossovers.

Non-car people generally don't care as much about having a ton of cargo space as you'd think. It's the fact that, higher-riding cars give you this false sense of "safety" and a "commanding" view of the road. It's the whole, you're riding on top of the car vs riding in the car thing, it's totally opposite from what car people/enthusiasts generally care about.

In fact, many of them get for example, the CX-3 over a Mazda 3, even though the trunk of the former is smaller than the latter. Like for god's sake Mazda literally made a lifted Mazda 3 with plastic body cladding and I'm seeing so many of them on the road now, vs the new Mazda 3 which doesn't seem like it's doing too well compared to the previous generations. People like driving lifted cars, that's really what it is.

That's why you keep seeing these awkwardly lifted hatchback-like crossovers from every single manufacturer around the world (CX3, CX30, HR-V, C-HR, GLA, Q3, X2/X1, etc. etc.), and they're selling like hotcakes because your mom and your aunt and her daughter and her daughter's 10 girlfriends and their non-car boyfriends all like these "safe" crossovers.

Was a lot guy way back

Overheard the sales at an Audi dealer say

"Get the Q7. Heavier, taller, and safer. Get in accident, they die not you"

[underscore]

It's still quite new. I wouldn't worry too much about it in both senses of finding parts and resell.

Usually, when a car gets discontinued, you can still get parts (brand new) decades after the fact. I.E: a Honda Prelude... which my friend has and was recently (well, late 2019, but still a good 10+ year before being discontinued) involved in a relatively minor accident, but the whole rear bumper needed to be replaced, and it was done with a brand new one.

I can confirm that Toyota has large stockpiles of parts as well. Lots of model specific stuff seems to take >20 years to run out, generic parts are still around. Jeep not so much, they've run out of some parts in under 10 years.

[jcmaz]

Mechanical and body parts should be fine for the most part because they are shared with the regular sedan and hatchback. I'd be wary on the model specific parts, such as trunk seals, rear side window, interior, etc...

It's only an issue if you plan to keep the car and drive it for the next 20 years. If you won't do that, then parts and availability won't be a problem. Enjoy your Civic :)

[mikemhg]

Thanks for the advise folks, what are your thoughts for resale value, though?

There's about 8 grand put down on my lease, so I'd prefer to buy it out and sell it end of lease, the car has been babied and has minimal KMs.

Would the discontinuing of the coupe be a barrier to resell? I guess that's too soon to tell, just curious if it's better to return the vehicle back to the dealership at the end of term. I'd prefer not leaving money on the table, though.

[bcrdukes]

I can confirm that Toyota has large stockpiles of parts as well. Lots of model specific stuff seems to take >20 years to run out, generic parts are still around. Jeep not so much, they've run out of some parts in under 10 years.

Confirming that my friend's parents are still getting parts/service from Toyota for their 1991 Toyota Tercel. Serviced almost exclusively at various Toyota dealerships.

[jcmaz]

Thanks for the advise folks, what are your thoughts for resale value, though?

There's about 8 grand put down on my lease, so I'd prefer to buy it out and sell it end of lease, the car has been babied and has minimal KMs.

Would the discontinuing of the coupe be a barrier to resell? I guess that's too soon to tell, just curious if it's better to return the vehicle back to the dealership at the end of term. I'd prefer not leaving money on the table, though.

I think the difference in resale value will be minimal. At the end of the day, it looks like your Civic is well taken care of. Just use it until your needs change.

[Hehe]

Thanks for the advise folks, what are your thoughts for resale value, though?

There's about 8 grand put down on my lease, so I'd prefer to buy it out and sell it end of lease, the car has been babied and has minimal KMs.

Would the discontinuing of the coupe be a barrier to resell? I guess that's too soon to tell, just curious if it's better to return the vehicle back to the dealership at the end of term. I'd prefer not leaving money on the table, though.

Usually lease works in a way that they determine the residual value (what's worth after x amount of time) and you pay for that entire chunk of depreciation. Whatever you put down (assuming it's a downpayment and NOT a security deposit, which would return in full after the lease) only reduces your monthly payment (say it loses 15k in 3years. Meaning you have to pay 15k+interest in 3yrs. By putting 8k down, it leaves 7k+interest to be paid in the 3yr period)

You would only be leaving money on the table if you get out of the lease early (so you paid more of that chunk than a person who did 0-down). But at the end of the lease, it's really irrelevant how much you put down.

The only thing I can think of is that the residual is unusually low comparing to the market price with the mileage you have. I.E: a 3yr civic with only 30k in odo is worth 20k on craigslist vs. 15k residual... in that case, it makes sense to buy it out at the end of the lease and sell it yourself.