[AzNightmare]

This car deserves it's own thread.

https://www.thedrive.com/content/2022/03/Corolla-Hatch-Hero.jpg

Reveal today at 6:30pm!

Stay tuned:

https://vimeo.com/event/1928953


This site has some leaked info already:
https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-toyota-gr-corolla-leaked-ahead-of-reveal-with-engine-outputs/

[!Aznboi128]

https://images.drive.com.au/driveau/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,g_auto,h_540,q_auto:good,w_960/cms/uploads/rvw05a62bbwgxlzpnlnd

https://images.drive.com.au/driveau/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,g_auto,h_540,q_auto:good,w_960/cms/uploads/zrguv1nh5jh0yfr9wrke

https://images.drive.com.au/driveau/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,g_auto,h_540,q_auto:good,w_960/cms/uploads/qw3vx7vuu6oxmrydlyzd

https://images.drive.com.au/driveau/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,g_auto,h_540,q_auto:good,w_960/cms/uploads/sjrqslmql88rxsnbcexb

https://images.drive.com.au/driveau/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,g_auto,h_540,q_auto:good,w_960/cms/uploads/eviupyu5qfulsdb3g8tv

https://images.drive.com.au/driveau/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,g_auto,h_540,q_auto:good,w_960/cms/uploads/pyisvkwsixjyerag0shi

https://images.drive.com.au/driveau/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,g_auto,h_540,q_auto:good,w_960/cms/uploads/ltqtz8zpquil8reoayxw


Here are the pictures to make it easier

Pretty aggressive front end, not sure how I feel about the hood vents but the wide front fenders are nice. Rears don't look as wide but could be the angles.
Exhaust is interesting, looks like three tips but they're spread out under the rear bumper.

[Edison_Chen]

Update page is down. It was available this morning.

The staging page with pictures has the same information: https://staging.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/grcorolla/

[bcrdukes]

This is a serious question but could this car attract attention from the VPD for VIs with its looks and exhaust and all?

[twitchyzero]

cf roof on launch edition

this gon eat some golf r's lunch

im surprised the standard rolla hb already weighs 3100lbs

[underscore]

Here's the text from a pdf someone grabbed of the landing page, the pictures are the ones that have been posted already, they have little "info" buttons which obviously don't work in the PDF and I don't see anything explaining the asterisks.


No Rain Checks

Introducing the first-ever GR Corolla. Born from a passion of motorsports and infused with the DNA of Toyota Gazoo Racing, this exclusively manual-transmission, rally-built hot hatch is ready for what Mother Nature serves up. Track-tested and turbocharged with 300 hp and GR-FOUR All-Wheel-Drive (AWD), the rowdiest member of the GR family won’t need a rain check. GR Corolla is bursting onto the scene fall 2022.


GR Corolla Specs

1.6L 3-Cylinder Turbo

Powertrain

300 Horsepower

273 Lb.-Ft. Torque

6-Speed Manual Transmission

GR-FOUR AWD Drivetrain


Performance

GR Corolla sports a 1.6L turbocharged engine with 300 hp and 273 lb.-ft. of torque, paired with a 6-speed Intelligent Manual Transmission (iMT). Showcasing its capabilities to put power to the ground, its GR-FOUR AWD system automatically distributes power from 50/50 up to 30/70 front and rear for ultimate traction come rain or shine. And by enhancing your drive with Normal, Sport and Track Modes, this hot hatch is more than ready to rally.


Design

Outfitted with an aggressive front grille, flared fenders to accommodate a wide track, rear diffuser and functional vents for enhancing aerodynamics and cooling—there’s no need for GR Corolla to fight for attention. Inside, a GR leather-trimmed steering wheel and unique gauge cluster elevates your excitement on any track. GR Corolla Launch Edition pours on the details even further with a forged carbon-fiber roof, vented hood, matte-black 18-in. wheels* and upgraded Ultrasuede* and synthetic leather-trimmed seats.


Handling

For whatever road you take, GR Corolla’s circuit-tuned suspension and Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires* won’t let harsh road conditions rain on your parade. GR Corolla Launch Edition features front and rear Torsen* limited-slip differential for a better grip while upgraded performance brakes help you dig into corners. It’s time to find your new comfort zone.

[GLOW]

that front & back :megusta:

[bcrdukes]

I'd like to see some Nurbergring times on this!

[AzNightmare]

Here are the pictures to make it easier

Pretty aggressive front end, not sure how I feel about the hood vents but the wide front fenders are nice. Rears don't look as wide but could be the angles.
Exhaust is interesting, looks like three tips but they're spread out under the rear bumper.

That's a weird arrangement with the exhaust.
I wonder if they are trying to do the same thing with what the CTR did.

[EvoFire]

This is a serious question but could this car attract attention from the VPD for VIs with its looks and exhaust and all?

It's less angry than the FK8R, so it should be ok?

[EvoFire]

That's a weird arrangement with the exhaust.
I wonder if they are trying to do the same thing with what the CTR did.

Just makes aftermarket exhausts extra expensive :lol

[320icar]

Interesting to see more info on the ‘carbon roof on launch edition only’ as I wouldn’t want to buy it for a year or two into production

[underscore]

I'd prefer a second or third year car too, if they make it a regular-ish production vehicle and not just a limited run. I'd be fine losing the carbon roof but I wouldn't want to lose the torsen diffs if those are also only on the launch edition.

The extra center exhaust is definitely interesting, I'm not a huge fan of all the dead space on the front and rear bumpers but that's being super picky. I just hope those red strips are just reflectors and not lights, I hate when cars have that.

More pics:

https://i.imgur.com/9vkQGCV.png

https://i.imgur.com/Qw6NahB.png

https://i.imgur.com/3M7ELBn.png

https://i.imgur.com/ONsdsQV.png

https://i.imgur.com/7OXm61r.png

https://i.imgur.com/Ak65ASM.png

https://i.imgur.com/p2uxsmH.png

The hood vents look like a bit of a throwback to the one on the 5th gen Alltrac/GTFour hood.

[EvoFire]

It's too much to ask for, but model specific wide doors to match the rear flares would be nice.

The Yaris GR has a CFRP roof as well, but it's vinyled over from factory. I don't see them making the investments to build a line for the CFRP roof for just launch editions and not use it again.

With the STI cancelled, this is now hands down the best hot family car on paper in this bracket. FK8R is FWD, Golf R and WRX are open front and rear, Veloster N is FWD.

[320icar]

So far I think it all looks great except for the ‘flare’ extension on the rear doors. Looks like it’s stuck on with double sided tape, I guess Toyota wasn’t willing to make new tooling for a door skin

[bcrdukes]

Sadly the red stripes are only reflectors and to be honest, they look pretty good at night when you have lights shining on them. I've seen a few cars here in Toronto with that and it often made me think, "Wow, are those lights?" And when I drive past them, it's like, no. :okay:

Toyota - Not bad. :accepted:

[whitev70r]

So what is Canadian MSRP?

[Teriyaki]

The STI Wagon is dead. Long live the STI Wagon.

For reals though, this thing looks like sex. AWD. Wagon. 6MT Turbo.

RE: The lower reflectors, I'd imagine and hopeful the JDM variant of some sort will have these as actual lights and they'd be a part you could likely import to retrofit.

[SkunkWorks]

The only new car I'd buy and the first car I've ever put a deposit on :lol

[teggy604]

really hope they carry over the mechanical ebrake from the Yaris. Because the regular Corolla hatch are electronic

[radeonboy]

really hope they carry over the mechanical ebrake from the Yaris. Because the regular Corolla hatch are electronic

Looks promising. Driving.ca just put out a bunch of press photos / clips:
https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/first-look-2023-toyota-gr-corolla

https://smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital/driving/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/MY23_GR-Corolla-Circuit-Edition_016.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1128&type=webp

[Simplex123]

really hope they carry over the mechanical ebrake from the Yaris. Because the regular Corolla hatch are electronic

Purely from a daily driving POV, the new electronic parking brakes are quite good - like in the new Mazdas it will automatically disengage it when you get in gear, and automatically engage when you turn the car off. But there are the earlier ones that are half ass and quite annoying to use. Hopefully it is the former if it is in fact electronic

[underscore]

Sadly the red stripes are only reflectors

Oh good, that's what I'm hoping for. I can't stand cars that have these beautifully designed main rear lights, and then the brake or turn signal or reverse is some dinky crap they slapped on the bottom of the bumper. Like the Mini Clubman or the Kia Niro.

[whitev70r]

Be interested in the comparison for interior dimensions. While this light rocket might eat the Golf R for a snack ... there is the day to day reality. I mean how often you going to Mission raceway to go head to head with Golf R for 0-60 times? There isn't even any pics of 2nd row passenger seating, from pics of exterior, I can only guess that it will be quite cramped. Shape of rear hatch area (angled on Corolla vs. straight back for Golf R) would hint that trunk (or boot for you Brits) space is noticeably smaller.

[pastarocket]

https://youtube.com/shorts/BsyjRYg83k0?feature=share

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[JDMDreams]

Is this the same Scion im chassis that's like 10 years old? Or is the chassis new?

[Spectre_Cdn]

… this is the TNGA Corolla platform circa 2018 FailFish

Interior dimensions are likely the same or less than the current hatchback if it has more bolstered seating.

[68style]

I am soooooo tempted to put a deposit down, but even though I'm a diehard Toyota guy and trust them quite a bit I hate the idea of buying a first year model of any car. It is encouraging that this engine has some history in the Yaris and the car itself of course does... any idea where it will be built/assembled?

I also know as a Toyota enthusiast they have a particularly annoying habit of adding very desirable colours/options/facelifts to vehicles 2-3 years after launch and sometimes even more power (see: Supra).

[trollface]

This thing going to be expensive AF

[trollface]

Be interested in the comparison for interior dimensions. While this light rocket might eat the Golf R for a snack ... there is the day to day reality. I mean how often you going to Mission raceway to go head to head with Golf R for 0-60 times? There isn't even any pics of 2nd row passenger seating, from pics of exterior, I can only guess that it will be quite cramped. Shape of rear hatch area (angled on Corolla vs. straight back for Golf R) would hint that trunk (or boot for you Brits) space is noticeably smaller.

A Golf is still gonna eat it for lunch doing digs. Every damn golf on the street has a 400hp tune and a DSG. No one shifting faster than those DSG farts.

[underscore]

I am soooooo tempted to put a deposit down, but even though I'm a diehard Toyota guy and trust them quite a bit I hate the idea of buying a first year model of any car. It is encouraging that this engine has some history in the Yaris and the car itself of course does... any idea where it will be built/assembled?

I also know as a Toyota enthusiast they have a particularly annoying habit of adding very desirable colours/options/facelifts to vehicles 2-3 years after launch and sometimes even more power (see: Supra).

The 2023 Toyota GR Corolla will be hand-assembled at the GR Toyota plant in Motomachi, Japan, the birthplace of the Lexus LFA, Supra A80 and GR Yaris. The GR Corolla will be sold in two versions: Core and Circuit Edition. The Core livery will be offered in white, black and Supersonic Red. As for the Toyota GR Corolla Circuit Edition, it is a limited edition version that will only be offered in 2023. It notably adds a carbon roof, additional air intakes on the hood and a spoiler more imposing at the back.

If this is correct then I'll most likely be trying to get a white 2024 model year Core Edition.

[68style]

You need to do a GT4 / GR Four photoshoot

[underscore]

A friend of mine has a white Alltrac too, I'd have to get those two together as well.

[Teriyaki]

The official launch of the GR Brand in NA. Goood stuff.

Just had this thought pop into my head...
Anyone else looking forward to the inevitable goofs that are going to start sticking "GR" emblems on the back of their clapped out Gen9 Corolla's?

[StylinRed]

https://youtu.be/PGSWOm9VlHg


Looks cool

[EvoFire]

Be interested in the comparison for interior dimensions. While this light rocket might eat the Golf R for a snack ... there is the day to day reality. I mean how often you going to Mission raceway to go head to head with Golf R for 0-60 times? There isn't even any pics of 2nd row passenger seating, from pics of exterior, I can only guess that it will be quite cramped. Shape of rear hatch area (angled on Corolla vs. straight back for Golf R) would hint that trunk (or boot for you Brits) space is noticeably smaller.

Just look at reviews for the current Corolla hatch and you'll get a pretty good idea, these are effectively the same car with a hotter drivertrain and probably losing the spare tire well.

[Spectre_Cdn]

The official launch of the GR Brand in NA. Goood stuff.

Just had this thought pop into my head...
Anyone else looking forward to the inevitable goofs that are going to start sticking "GR" emblems on the back of their clapped out Gen9 Corolla's?

Officially the Supra is the first GR model in NA…

So far I think it all looks great except for the ‘flare’ extension on the rear doors. Looks like it’s stuck on with double sided tape, I guess Toyota wasn’t willing to make new tooling for a door skin

It’s funny you mention this because Honda didn’t bother with the flare at all for the CTR and there was an aftermarket stick-on just to make the fender look congruent.

Edit: $645 USD for a Varis trim piece
https://www.evasivemotorsports.com/store/product/varis-rear-fender-trim-frp-honda-civic-type-r-fk8-17-21/

[AzNightmare]

Purely from a daily driving POV, the new electronic parking brakes are quite good - like in the new Mazdas it will automatically disengage it when you get in gear, and automatically engage when you turn the car off. But there are the earlier ones that are half ass and quite annoying to use. Hopefully it is the former if it is in fact electronic

Based on the interior photo, I think this car uses a manual handbrake.

[Bender Unit]

:inout: 1.5hrs to go

[Manic!]

Link to the live stream?

[Suprarz666]

It is in the first post

[!Aznboi128]

Two Trims, Core and Circuit edition

Core available in white, black and red
https://s3.amazonaws.com/cms.ipressroom.com/152/files/20223/62461f85b3aed3372e660f86_MY23_GR+Corolla_Core_01/MY23_GR+Corolla_Core_01_94399032-b4ce-4673-858e-284637f5f2c1-prv.jpg

https://s3.amazonaws.com/cms.ipressroom.com/152/files/20223/62461f65b3aed3371f65fc9d_MY23_GR+Corolla_Core_04/MY23_GR+Corolla_Core_04_7bc2c66e-fee4-413d-8a44-459769f6f6ce-prv.jpg

https://s3.amazonaws.com/cms.ipressroom.com/152/files/20223/62461ff8b3aed3372165fc37_MY23_GR+Corolla_Core_07/MY23_GR+Corolla_Core_07_c72e03e6-ee1d-4730-9b24-66253791aefc-prv.jpg

The grey one we've all seen is the Circuit edition that gets Front and rear Torsen LSD, forged carbon roof, vented budge aluminum hood, large rear spoiler, Suded seats with red accents and Morizo signed shift knob

https://s3.amazonaws.com/cms.ipressroom.com/152/files/20223/624624f3b3aed3372465ff6f_MY23_GR+Corolla+Circuit+E dition_01/MY23_GR+Corolla+Circuit+Edition_01_573d9720-807f-4ede-86d5-693994d400ae-prv.jpg

https://s3.amazonaws.com/cms.ipressroom.com/152/files/20223/62462506b3aed3372d660c17_MY23_GR+Corolla+Circuit+E dition_04/MY23_GR+Corolla+Circuit+Edition_04_8c59a6bb-895c-4f28-8f46-29cfce98dafc-prv.jpg

https://s3.amazonaws.com/cms.ipressroom.com/152/files/20223/6246244bb3aed3372565ff08_MY23_GR+Corolla+Circuit+E dition_06/MY23_GR+Corolla+Circuit+Edition_06_314e207e-0fd6-4a14-adb2-46a7456bd9fe-prv.jpg

https://s3.amazonaws.com/cms.ipressroom.com/152/files/20223/624623feb3aed33728660198_MY23_GR+Corolla+Circuit+E dition_07/MY23_GR+Corolla+Circuit+Edition_07_ca5a53c0-8144-474f-99e2-3659859c2c4b-prv.jpg



No pricing info

Full press release can be found here - http://media.toyota.ca/releases/heat-for-the-streets-toyota-debuts-first-ever-gr-corolla

[Edison_Chen]

The grey Circuit one is :drool

[radeonboy]

The core model looks quite pedestrian compared to the Circuit model, which I'm going to guess will be pretty impossible to get in the lower mainland.

[!Aznboi128]

The core model looks quite pedestrian compared to the Circuit model, which I'm going to guess will be pretty impossible to get in the lower mainland.
Small visual changes, really it's just the raised hood and spoiler out back that sets it apart. You can't really see the roof in most cases.

Getting the Core and then a spoiler will get you similar affects if you get the red or white version. The Heavy Metal (colour) is Circuit exclusive while black is Core exclusive.

[68style]

I’m far from a boy racer but man I don’t know how you say no to the circuit edition based on looks alone

[Bender Unit]

Core edition is missing a WRC style spoiler
Easy fix from Aftermarket

[SkunkWorks]

I’m far from a boy racer but man I don’t know how you say no to the circuit edition based on looks alone

If it's 60+ before adm then i can think of a few reasons to say no :(

[AzNightmare]

3249 curbweight. I'm not sure if that's the Core or the Circuit weight.

https://i.imgur.com/k9991Sc.jpg

[Simplex123]

Officially the Supra is the first GR model in NA…



It’s funny you mention this because Honda didn’t bother with the flare at all for the CTR and there was an aftermarket stick-on just to make the fender look congruent.

Edit: $645 USD for a Varis trim piece
https://www.evasivemotorsports.com/store/product/varis-rear-fender-trim-frp-honda-civic-type-r-fk8-17-21/


The FK8 straight edge on the rear fender is supposedly functional - bringing the air from the back of the front wheels, past the side skirts, up that straight edge, and onto the wang. Don't know how effective it is but that's how they explained sold it.


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[underscore]

No torsens on the Core Edition is a bummer for me. I'd really like to at least have one in the rear. I'll have to see if there are any aftermarket options from the Yaris and go from there.

[Suprarz666]

The core+performance pack comes with LSD's

[StylinRed]

https://youtu.be/Z5Lp8fiHpA0

https://youtu.be/g66_Brd4ALA

https://youtu.be/vTO_Q5eIR78


From their official yt, but we've seen it all from the coverage I guess

[teggy604]

I wouldn't settle for anything less than circuit edition. Front and rear LSD, and cf roof makes up more than enough for the price difference. With it being same engine as the GR Yaris, there are already aftermarket support. They are already pushing 400hp on a stock Yaris.

[StylinRed]

They are already pushing 400hp on a stock Yaris.

Holy crap

[Special K]

This Circuit Corolla smells like a $65k with taxes and fees. It’s so sexy though.

Does anyone know why the GR86 is a 2.4L non-turbo whereas the GR Corolla is 1.6L turbo? Because rally car?

[underscore]

The core+performance pack comes with LSD's

That would be the ideal, I don't like the look of the CF roof or hood vents anyways lol.

[StylinRed]

The circuit edition is going to come in red too Oooo (also white and the 'heavy metal')

I thought it may one be offered in the one colour, that's cool

[AzNightmare]

This Circuit Corolla smells like a $65k with taxes and fees. It’s so sexy though.

Does anyone know why the GR86 is a 2.4L non-turbo whereas the GR Corolla is 1.6L turbo? Because rally car?

Just how they want to market the GR86 and what it stands for.
They want to keep it underpowered so that it stays as a entry level sports car that's all about finesse and handling. While you can perfectly do that with a more powerful car, keeping it underpowered only emphasizes that handling aspect of it even more, since that's really all it has going for it. They don't want to boost it.

[68style]

This Circuit Corolla smells like a $65k with taxes and fees. It’s so sexy though.

Does anyone know why the GR86 is a 2.4L non-turbo whereas the GR Corolla is 1.6L turbo? Because rally car?

I don’t think so, it can’t be $10k more than a CTR.

Base GR Supra is $55k… it’s going to be $45ish

[AzNightmare]

https://i.imgur.com/cOV8mxz.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fKonRNB.jpg

That CF finish doesn't look so good imo...

Kind of reminds me of particle board.

[EvoFire]

https://i.imgur.com/cOV8mxz.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fKonRNB.jpg

That CF finish doesn't look so good imo...

Kind of reminds me of particle board.

Forged CF is basically CF particle board with some resin.

[twitchyzero]

those that said they wished they bought an integra type r brand new

this is it guys. Pocket rocket. In-house assembled by takumis. no watered down automatic version. Power output equal or better than what's available in JDM. relatively obtainable unlike 4RS

put your money where your mouth is!

might be the last chance with electrification already happening

man, i already forgot about the subaru gr86 lol


I don't see them making the investments to build a line for the CFRP roof for just launch editions and not use it again.


i wonder what they did with all that LFA tooling

[68style]

To me the Fiesta ST was the most recent version of an “Integra Type-R” we had and look at prices of those now… couple years ago they were all $10-12k now you can’t find one with reasonable mileage if you can find one at all for less than $18k.

This is going to be one of the swan song cars for ICE.

[teggy604]

This Circuit Corolla smells like a $65k with taxes and fees. It’s so sexy though.

Does anyone know why the GR86 is a 2.4L non-turbo whereas the GR Corolla is 1.6L turbo? Because rally car?

Yes. I think so. Its a "homologation special." Race car for the road. If you look at WRC, GR is one of the racing teams. And they have to follow specific rules. So this is a special car and I dont know how many they have to produce to meet the requirements but I have a feeling it will be less than the CTR.

[SumAznGuy]

Yes. I think so. Its a "homologation special." Race car for the road. If you look at WRC, GR is one of the racing teams. And they have to follow specific rules. So this is a special car and I dont know how many they have to produce to meet the requirements but I have a feeling it will be less than the CTR.

I believe 500 units for homologation rules.
Just did a quick google and the top rally class (Rally 1) is limited to a 1.6L turbo motor with a restrictor plate, about 290 hp.

[Manic!]

So who here put down a deposit. i did with Toyota Nanaimo Around 4:30 P.M. today.

Government plans to ban all new ICE car sales by 2035.

[68style]

Care to share details? What did they ask for? Any form of pricing guarantee? Terms? Did they say what number you are in line? Etc

[underscore]

Toyota uses the Yaris for the WRC, not the Corolla, so there's no limitations or requirements from that.

[Manic!]

Care to share details? What did they ask for? Any form of pricing guarantee? Terms? Did they say what number you are in line? Etc


No price 2nd in line $1000 deposit that is refundable.

[Special K]

No price 2nd in line $1000 deposit that is refundable.

I guess now you have to pick Core or Circuit? Which one will you go for?

[AzNightmare]

Forged CF is basically CF particle board with some resin.

I knew I've seen that texture before... just didn't know the terminology.
I still don't like it though,. lol.

[inv4zn]

I just found about this thing, holy crap haha.

It's the unironic anti-corolla, but it's really a corolla.

This car is tremendous and I really hope it does well.

[rawr]

Anyone put a deposit in lower mainland? Whats the wait list like?

[whitev70r]

For all the advice regarding financing .. isn't that moot if there is no inventory? Wouldn't you discuss that with the financial agent of the dealer closer to the time of the car's arrival? I mean what can they promise you a year down the row in terms of rates?

[68style]

At least 1 dealer in lower mainland I called on the phone is promising msrp + doc fee, no markup… I’m gonna try to get that in writing this afternoon

[rawr]

At least 1 dealer in lower mainland I called on the phone is promising msrp + doc fee, no markup… I’m gonna try to get that in writing this afternoon

You mind PMing me which dealer? Thanks!

[twitchyzero]

hells ya if circuit edition

[teggy604]

Soon to see ads on CL and Facebook pay me $5000 and get my reservation spot for Circuit Edition lol.

[rawr]

Called a bunch of dealers, here is the waitlist as of 2pm today

Richmond - 50 people
Surrey - 13 people
Westminster - not taking any
Regency Vancouver - 20
North Van - 15

[68style]

I am one of those people at Richmond.

The process is BS to be honest........... I really, really, really hate trying to buy anything cool these days, it's like as miserable an experience as possible.

Openroad (in this case Richmond) may be taking deposits, but you show up there with your card and they're like "We have no idea of packages, models, what names it's going to be, costs, time of arrival"... I was like "Okay, but it's pretty clear there's Core... Core + performance package... Circuit.......... I'm only interested in the Circuit" and they're just like "Yah we will call people on the list later when that's sorted out and we can't give you anything with a note of what you're asking for at all.

So basically, they write your name on a list for "GR Corolla", take $500 and they staple the $500 credit card paper onto a business card. That's it. There isn't even a piece of paper given to you saying what you paid $500 for... lol

On top of it all, me and a buddy both put deposits down, and he started on the whole "What you got to trade in?" thing and he very clearly said if you had a trade-in, that your position on the list was very flexible and you'd be bumped to the top depending how valuable your trade-in was. My buddy threw out his fairly new car as a possibility and the guys said for sure he's going to be a priority customer if he trades that in... he turns to me and I'm like dude I haven't bought a new car in 20 years and my newest car is a 2004... I don't have a trade-in and his face basically said "You're fucked then" haha

Fucking brutal games being played these days.

[Gumby]

Soon to see ads on CL and Facebook pay me $5000 and get my reservation spot for Circuit Edition lol.
Lol, I don’t know about Toyota, but I jokingly asked about “selling” my spot in line at Hyundai and they said you can only transfer to a family member.

[68style]

hey Manic did Nanaimo let you pick Core or Circuit with your deposit?

[underscore]

The Toyota GR Corolla is coming later this year and it appears to be all that we were hoping for. The only questions remaining are whether you'll be able to get one and how much it'll cost. And while Toyota isn't confirming anything about pricing, the company tells Road & Track that the special, hands-on Motomachi production facility will be able to meet the demand for the GR Corolla.

"I wouldn't say the limiting factor on these vehicles is our ability to produce them," Toyota Vice President of Marketing Mike Tripp told R&T. "It's being very careful to make sure that we maintain the niche credibility."
The right amount to ensure that while expanding the brand, Tripp says, is "one too few."

It's a similar strategy employed by high-end automakers like Porsche, who carefully calibrate production capacity to ensure there's never an over-supply of their most exciting vehicles. After all, unsold inventory shatters the illusion that a car is highly sought-after.
Toyota's maintaining flexibility for that reason, but Tripp says the company is predicting that a full year of sales will end up around 8000 units. Expect 2023 to fall shy of that number, with the production ramp and limited early availability limiting total sales to around 6000 cars.
The company also intends to keep the Corolla fresh and in-demand by rolling out updates and special editions. The first special edition is the Circuit Edition, for which Toyota hasn't shared production run plans. But Tripp told R&T to expect one each special edition to make it to most dealers, putting minimum production numbers around 1250.

"When it comes to something that's this niche, it's important to us that we give every dealer the opportunity to get one," Tripp said. "So if you do the math—and this is no guarantee—if we have a special edition for every dealer, that's 1250-ish. So when you have a total volume of somewhere between 6000 and 8000, and a special edition that's 1250 of that, we think that's the right balance. But one too few will be our goal, just not because of production limits."

Now that I know it's going to be available for several years and in decent numbers, buying new to ensure I get what I want is sounding like it might be more of a pain in the ass than just waiting and trying to hunt down the spec I want on the used market in a few years. Especially if they're going to be coming out with updates and more special editions, you've got to hope they don't come out with an update or version that you like more than what you have.

[Manic!]

hey Manic did Nanaimo let you pick Core or Circuit with your deposit?

That was before the announcement so I did not know of the 2 models . Jim Pattison Toyota in Duncan only has one on the wait list. waiting to hear fro Comox Toyota.

Should I put down deposits at multiple dealers?

[68style]

That was before the announcement so I did not know of the 2 models . Jim Pattison Toyota in Duncan only has one on the wait list. waiting to hear fro Comox Toyota.

Should I put down deposits at multiple dealers?

That's what me and my friend are thinking... like... lower mainland might be hooped, have to go somewhere more remote and play them off each other.

[Manic!]

I got on the list with Duncan. They are not taking deposits yet. Car will be sold at MSRP.

[Euro7r]

I am one of those people at Richmond.

The process is BS to be honest........... I really, really, really hate trying to buy anything cool these days, it's like as miserable an experience as possible.

Openroad (in this case Richmond) may be taking deposits, but you show up there with your card and they're like "We have no idea of packages, models, what names it's going to be, costs, time of arrival"... I was like "Okay, but it's pretty clear there's Core... Core + performance package... Circuit.......... I'm only interested in the Circuit" and they're just like "Yah we will call people on the list later when that's sorted out and we can't give you anything with a note of what you're asking for at all.

So basically, they write your name on a list for "GR Corolla", take $500 and they staple the $500 credit card paper onto a business card. That's it. There isn't even a piece of paper given to you saying what you paid $500 for... lol

On top of it all, me and a buddy both put deposits down, and he started on the whole "What you got to trade in?" thing and he very clearly said if you had a trade-in, that your position on the list was very flexible and you'd be bumped to the top depending how valuable your trade-in was. My buddy threw out his fairly new car as a possibility and the guys said for sure he's going to be a priority customer if he trades that in... he turns to me and I'm like dude I haven't bought a new car in 20 years and my newest car is a 2004... I don't have a trade-in and his face basically said "You're fucked then" haha

Fucking brutal games being played these days.

First thing that came to mind is "Richmond" LOL. Then Openroad. I would try your luck at a different dealership.

[68style]

I been calling around, anywhere that’s not a major city centre said they were told they’re only going to get 1 car

[radeonboy]

I just wish Toyota Canada would manage the reservations so customers don't get thrown around like chew toys by dealers.

[twitchyzero]

i was convinced the tesla direct model is better, no middle man, no games

but then they jacked up their prices twice in a week lol

[AzNightmare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0owby0cwak


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgGHlLjDVgA

[bcrdukes]

How the hell did Toyota’s sales model get worse than Porsche?

[TypeRNammer]

With the Corolla GR around the corner, I hope this is a wake up call for Honda.

[68style]

How the hell did Toyota’s sales model get worse than Porsche?

The quote underscore posted said they literally copied Porsche

[whitev70r]

Terrible corporate marketing/sales ... it seems like the public knows more than the dealer salesperson about the product and sales system hasn't set up a reservation system. $500 credit card deposit stapled to a business card ... WHAT??!! I'd be concerned that the guy loses it in the drawer of his desk! Too sketch ... let someone go ahead and wait a year or two for the rage to calm down a bit.

[68style]

Yah I am not down with VP of Marketing Mike Tripp's world view on things... "making 1 less than they can sell" and building a brand image about exclusivity and how unavailable/unattainable something is isn't really a message I think Toyota should be sending. Pretty pompous.

Did Subaru's image suffer having any unsold STI's sitting around? Were there even any unsold STI's sitting around at much higher production volumes? Pretty stupid to purposely not sell a model at production capacity. Subaru was selling 32,000+ STI's in North America alone during peak years and Toyota is talking about moving 8,000 GR's worldwide? Crazy.

I mean, if I am an enthusiast and I can't get my hands on something without jumping through a thousand hoops, and all I see online is spoiled Youtubers and idiots with industry connections hooning around in the car I wanted... I just get jaded and buy something used again... or 5 used things for the price of that 1 car... or even worse I go to a competitor and buy their car instead. Either way, Toyota doesn't get the business.

[dark0821]

^ exactly...

I am probably just not "in the correct social circle". But I never ran across someone I know saying "Oh, this is too popular, I am not gonna get one because everyone have one already".

On the contrary, I always try to get everyone I know into the EVO game when I had the EVO, and now I try to get everyone into the miata now that I have a miata. I think it's pretty bause to show up in a line of the same cars... haha

...I was down to put down a deposit... I also called multiple dealers at the beggining of March, most sales don't even know what a GR Corolla is, let alone knowing if there is a wait list there for one

Good to know that this is not a limited run model and there is a multi-year production plan in mind.. The only flip side into getting into the corolla earlier is
A) I think I am at a peak of what my miata could be worth on the market
B) I can finally drive to Vancouver on occasion, not that I go there often at all, but enough times where I always go home to swap to the prius gets annoying...

[Simplex123]

I mean, if I am an enthusiast and I can't get my hands on something without jumping through a thousand hoops, and all I see online is spoiled Youtubers and idiots with industry connections hooning around in the car I wanted... I just get jaded and buy something used again... or 5 used things for the price of that 1 car... or even worse I go to a competitor and buy their car instead. Either way, Toyota doesn't get the business.

The thing is the enthusiast community is such a small portion of their demographic that they figured that their regular selling model for their PHEV will work just fine - and sure it will piss some people off, but the majority of people are still down for it.

They're doing the same thing for their trucks which have an even bigger enthusiast following, so it shows that they aren't going to be changing a thing about how they sell.

[underscore]

They may also be trying to put a marketing spin on supply chain issues, that sounds a lot fancier than "we can't get parts." Heck it might be the same deal with the hand-built part, I know some industrial automation equipment that used to be either in stock or a couple weeks out now has a 9+ month lead time. If they're going to be releasing it worldwide then I'm more keen to get an early one in the hopes that North America gets more of those.

When I put my name down on Tuesday it was basically the same as you guys, nobody had a clue what I was actually talking about. The sales guy pulled up pictures of the GR Yaris asking if that was what I was trying to buy lol. I know they wanted to stay tight lipped but maybe at least tell them *something* is coming when you're going to tease it for months.

[SkunkWorks]

Yeah... I'm #2 and #4 at two dealers and if I have to play the porsche game to buy a corolla then I'd rather just stick with my current stable and buy preowned in a few years.

[Manic!]

From Comox Toyota.

From what our owner has told us, we are only getting 1 this year and MAYBE 1 next year but that is not confirmed and there are 3 on the list. Each dealerships allocation will be the same.


If that's true it's going to be the Dodge Demon all over again. They are going to be bought by flippers and collectors.

Only 3000 Demons where built. Some dealerships did not get any. This dealership had 16 brand new ones for sale.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a36800736/dodge-demon-for-sale-2021/

I was second on the list in Nanaimo at one of the dealerships. They sold the only one they got to SR Auto. The other dealership in town got zero. Every one I have seen for sale has been spec'd wrong.

[68style]

Yah I did some business with Comox through my work before so I was taking to the guy I dealt with before and he told me the same… likely 1 unit. Squamish guy also did the virtual “arm around the shoulder” with me and said dude sorry we probably only going to get 1, and that’s if we get 1 at all

[bomberR17]

When I placed my deposit at Westminster Toyota back in December, he actually knew what the GR Corolla was and took my deposit. The first guy that placed the deposit did it right after attending SEMA and told the manager about it.

[underscore]

I emailed my dealer asking for any updates, we'll see what they say.

Apparently there's 285 dealers in Canada, if they each only get 1 of the estimated 6000 to be made this year then that's only 4% of production which sucks. At those numbers odds are normal people won't be getting any.

[underscore]

My contact at the dealer is out for a few days, she said should send me an update Wednesday.

From grcorollaforum:

https://i.imgur.com/0zQTOzG.png

If Ontario is only getting 30, BC might get what, 20?

[68style]

Facebook group was saying probably a bit less than 2,000 for North America… Canada would be like maybe 10%?

Time to move on to something else I think lol…

[underscore]

I'm hoping that dealer saying 30 for Ontario is just talking about the Circuit Edition but who knows.

The Toyota marketing guy said 6000 total this year, 8000 total next year. Which is still peanuts. We get roughly 1/6-1/10 of the cars the US does for other special models so 800-1,300 per year, nationwide. That's not a lot.

[twitchyzero]

seems more forbidden fruit than the focus RS?

[bcrdukes]

Called up my preferred Toyota dealer to inquire about this.

Their response to me - :fuckthatshit: :fuckthatshit: :fuckthatshit: :fuckthatshit: :fuckthatshit:

[whitev70r]

Eff it ... let those 20 people in YVR take the first crack at it .. work out the bugs in a first gen car. Get it in year 2 or 3 or 4 ... life is too short to be wasting time and energy trying to get one of the 20.

It's like Jollibee on Granville ... it'll be there in a month's time ... why get in line for 4 hours to wait for some damn food.

[teggy604]

Eff it ... let those 20 people in YVR take the first crack at it .. work out the bugs in a first gen car. Get it in year 2 or 3 or 4 ... life is too short to be wasting time and energy trying to get one of the 20.

It's like Jollibee on Granville ... it'll be there in a month's time ... why get in line for 4 hours to wait for some damn food.

Even if Jolibee was closing down, I wouldn't wait 4 hours for it. I think people get FOMO or something. And that's why they are willing to overpay for stuff they don't need to overpay for.

[asian_XL]

how much for this corolla?

[Manic!]

how much for this corolla?

No price yet.

[asian_XL]

the yaris is expensive, it is 4.56M yen in Japan to get one, can't believe how much toyota will charge for this corolla.

[68style]

Japan / England / Hk etc prices have absolutely nothing to do with what they price cars at in North America tbh

[!Aznboi128]

you can use the Japan pricing to compare it to regular Corolla then use that as a factor to calculate roughly what it'll cost here.

Here's my take, yes the car has 300hp and a crazy AWD system. It's gonna be fast as the Yaris is and with the longer wheelbase it should be a bit more stable. The reason why the Yaris was cool is because it's a homologation special. The Corolla on the other hand is using the Yaris parts bin. IMO it's just not as special and to top it off the interior of the Corolla has always been one of the worst in class. It's small, materials are meh it's a good mode of transportation but not much more. If this is 50k, yes I'm sure it'll still sell out as it's a special vehicle but I just don't think it should be worth that.

just my 2 cents.

[twitchyzero]

everyday driver on the 'tube felt turbo hatches like this will continue to be made, whereas GR86 not so much

the thing is demand will likely be there even near the end of its generation and there's no telling if they'll make another like it afterwards

it might be a high entry price for an 'econobox' but it's hard to see it losing much value

in fact i wouldnt surprised if this barely breaking even at 50cad with 5-6k units a year

[dark0821]

^ IMO, I think toyota is never gonna make money on the GR Corolla (nor is it trying to), its

A) Share some of the R&D cost with the yaris (its unfortunate that we will never see the yaris in actual WRC)

B) Bring brand awareness, to bring the avg toyota buyer age down. They want people to think, it is cool to own a toyota in your 20's... do kids these days still use the word "cool"?

C) Boost regular corolla sales? (You dont know how much people bought the Lancer and blacked out the bumper + side mount the license plate just so they resemble the EVO X from 50 yards away)

[teggy604]

I guess Toyota has their reasons as to why we never got the GR Yaris and Europe did. Now we get the GR Corolla while Europe does not.

[Harvey Specter]

Every flipper and their moms are probably hounding every Toyota dealer in Canada. Just wait until the dust settles and actual production numbers are released.

[pherio]

Every flipper and their moms are probably hounding every Toyota dealer in Canada. Just wait until the dust settles and actual production numbers are released.

Dust might not settle until its too late though.
FK8 model year is over and used prices are still at or in case of phoenix yellow, over MSRP.
Focus RS & Mitsubishi LanEvo's aren't even available anymore and used prices are overpriced.
STI is even taking a break this model year because of the crappy reception of the new WRX

[AzNightmare]

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/2023-toyota-gr-corolla-vs-2022-subaru-wrx-rally-streets/


Curb weight
3249 lbs (base)
3200 lbs (Circuit Edition)


Not sure how reliable this source is, but only 49 lbs difference...

[underscore]

I've seen the 3249 in some Toyota specs, 3200 is new to me. I have a hard time believing the Circuit is 49lbs lighter with just a carbon roof skin and a larger spoiler.

[trollface]

Just curious. How and why do you announce the release of a car then not tell anyone what it costs? What's the deal with that?

[68style]

Always?

Cars are always announced without pricing as long as I can remember… from concept to reality

[trollface]

Why?

Here is all the specs of the product and pics, here is a long presentation, here is when you can buy it.

How much?

Not telling ya.

[68style]

I can kinda see why… they may have an idea of production costs but since it’s not being built until almost a year from now that can vary wildly as can the currency exchange rate…

[dark0821]

^ I assume it is

A) not wanting to commit to a $$ in these volatile times, as pricing of raw material and logistics can double with no warning. At my work place, we went from Estimate good for 90 days to 30 days to 7 days, now it is only good for 48 hours... I assume Toyota is still crunching the numbers (as the numbers keeps changing) and seeing what the true cost of the GR Corolla is from factory in Japan to showroom at the dealership.

B) They are gauging interest... I assume they are now going to jack the price higher seeing there is defn more demand than supply at this point. Seeing how butchered the new integra was, and still demand out stripping supply. I think Toyota knows they have a winner in their hands. Now it is just trying to capitalize on the hype/demand without turning off too many buyers....

[trollface]

When are they actually delivering them?

[underscore]

The current rumour is late Oct at earliest.

[donk.]

B) Bring brand awareness, to bring the avg toyota buyer age down. They want people to think, it is cool to own a toyota in your 20's... do kids these days still use the word "cool"?


This is like the Lincoln ads from a few years ago

Two chicks standing in a line waiting to get into a club
One chick looks over, sees a Lincoln rolling up, "oh waauuu is that a Lincoln?
Chick two looks over "my dad useto drive a Lincoln"
Cutscene to chick one's eyes pop open "that's not your dad"
Dude in his late 20s gets out of it looking fresh in a suit
Both women speechless

Then I proceed to buy my 92 civic si for 700$ and don't get any ass. Maybe I should have bought a lincoln

[Manic!]

According to Toyota they are making 6000 the first year and 8000 the following years world wide. They could make more but want to keep the demand high. This is going to be a hard car to get for a long time.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a39612033/gr-corolla-production-numbers/

[underscore]

I noticed the US and Canadian articles from Toyota were different, so I ran a comparison on the text. I'm not sure if they just used different revisions of the same article but there's quite a few differences. There were a lot of minor punctuation/capitalization changes that I ignored and I removed any text that was the same in both articles.

Anything not in the other release is in bold

USA
Complimentary 1-year membership to the National Auto Sport Association, featuring a High-Performance Driving Event with expert instruction

The GR Corolla Circuit Edition is also equipped with front and rear Torsen Limited-Slip Differentials (LSD), which offer enhanced cornering performance and grip with control of left and right-hand drive torque distribution on the front and rear axles. Front and rear LSD is available as part of the Performance Package on the Core grade, with 4WD open differentials standard.

Automatic climate control, power windows with one-touch auto up/down and heated front seats and steering wheel standard on Circuit Edition. Heated front seats and steering wheel are available with the of Cold Weather package option on Core Grade.

Qi-compatible wireless smartphone charging with full charge indicator light is standard on the Circuit Edition and available as part of the Technology package on the Core Grade.

GR Corolla comes with a one year trial subscription of Toyota Safety Connect® at no additional cost — includes Emergency Assistance, Stolen Vehicle Locator, Roadside Assistance and Automatic Collision Notification.

Option Packages

GR Corolla Core Grade is available with the following packages:

Performance package: Includes front and rear Torsen Limited Slip Differentials (LSD).
Technology package: Includes Premium Audio with Dynamic Navigation and JBL® w/Clari-Fi®, and Qi-compatible wireless smartphone charging.
Cold Weather Package: Includes heated front seats and heated steering wheel.

Canada
Available in two grades: Core and launch-year-exclusive Circuit Edition

Toyota’s Safety Sense 3.0 (TSS 3.0) system will also come standard.

The GR Corolla Circuit Edition is also equipped with front and rear Torsen Limited-Slip Differentials (LSD) which offer enhanced cornering performance and grip with control of left and right-hand drive torque distribution on the front and rear axles.

Automatic climate control, power windows with one-touch auto up/down, and heated front seats and steering wheel standard on Circuit Edition. Heated front seats are also standard on the Core Grade.

Qi-compatible wireless smartphone charging with full charge indicator light is standard on the Circuit Edition.

The all-new Toyota Multimedia system will come standard on all GR Corollas. Featuring an 8-inch touchscreen, the system offers an improved user experience through sight, touch and voice. Standard wake word-activated Toyota Assistant allows you to adjust various vehicle settings, like climate control or media. With Intelligent Assistant available through Drive Connect*, simple phrases like “Hey Toyota” awaken the system for natural voice commands to search for directions, find Google POIs and more.

The cloud-based native navigation system, also offered through Drive Connect, allows for real-time traffic updates, dynamic route suggestions and integrates Google POI data to ensure up-to-date search capability. It also supports standard wireless Apple CarPlay® and Android Auto compatibility as well as dual Bluetooth phone pairing.

The Core grade receives an 8” Toyota Multimedia with Service Connect (up to 5-yr trial), Remote Connect (3-yr trial), Safety Connect (3-yr trial), Drive Connect enabled (paid subscription required) along with 6-speaker audio system and standard wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility. To learn more, visit toyota.ca/toyotamultimedia

The Circuit Edition adds a 3-year Drive Connect (Cloud Navigation, Intelligent Assistant, Destination Assist) trial along with 8 JBL speakers with amplifier.

There's a lot of weird grammar in both releases so hopefully it was just rushed a bit and that's why there are discrepancies. But if these are correct we get standard heated seats but no optional packages for the Core which most critically would mean no torsen diffs from the factory.

There are aftermarket LSDs for the Yaris, but it has different ratios than the Corolla so you'd have to wait for those to be developed. I did manage to find an Aussie with an open diff GR Yaris who was able to purchase a rear LSD from Toyota for $2150 AUD (~$2k CAD) so hopefully we'd at least be able to do the same.

[rawr]

I really hope that's not true, it makes no sense if you can't option the LSDs for the Core. It literally is a deal breaker if the LSDs are Circuit-only.

[underscore]

Staring at the articles so closely they definitely seemed rushed so I'm hoping it's just an oversight. There's a bunch of weird stuff like:

"available with the of Cold Weather package"

eh?

I'm not worrying too much until we get proper info on them.

[trollface]

Oh yeah, there won't be any demand for this car at all and you'll be able to buy it under MSRP. Uh huh /s

[dark0821]

lol we can only hope....if the Torsen are not even an option for the base core trim....

The curcuit edition in Camada are gonna $$$$$$$ to the moon lololol.....

[white rocket]

I have my name on a list for a white C.E. through a Fleet channel. Sounds like a hail mary but will see how this plays out. No one knows shit at this point.

[roastpuff]

Or, they did what they did for the IS500 and basically include all the packages in the “base” trim. That would be sweet.

IS500 Launch Edition basically was the cosmetic stuff. Might be the same for us Canadians.

[LP700-4]

I just picked up my GR86 and spoke to the dealer about the GR Corolla. I was told it will be hard to get especially if you want the Circuit edition but if i'm willing to trade the GR86 back to them they will give me one if they have one.

Pretty much how dealers work nowadays unfortunately...

Not sure if I really want it bad enough over the 86.

[Bender Unit]

^ Which Dealer ?
That's f--king Porsche Game

[68style]

Toyota is taking a big risk on this car... I mean... don't get me wrong I think it's fantastic they're making it... but at the end of the day 300hp and AWD and Corolla isn't a supercar... and they're treating it like it is.

I mean, MAYBE apples and oranges to some... but a Merc A35 AMG 4 door hatch is somewhat readily available with 302hp for $52k... shrug...

The GR86 is bang on, marketed a fun sports car that's light and good price point for what it is, not super had to get one if you are an enthusiast of any sort or even if you're not... but making the GR Corolla like it's some untouchable mythical creature by comparison is a big mistake in my mind and goes against what they're trying to achieve with the GR branding.

[AzNightmare]

lol. Can't wait until they release the price and it's way too high.
Then people on the waitlist start dropping like flies cause they can no longer afford it.

[teggy604]

I just picked up my GR86 and spoke to the dealer about the GR Corolla. I was told it will be hard to get especially if you want the Circuit edition but if i'm willing to trade the GR86 back to them they will give me one if they have one.

Pretty much how dealers work nowadays unfortunately...

Not sure if I really want it bad enough over the 86.

brand new 86 trade back to them for same price? or get raped with trade in value? lol

if they are playing that game, I would tell them to F off, and tell them I will now service my vehicle at another dealership. All dealerships dont make money on new cars. They make all the money on used cars, and service.

[Manic!]

lol. Can't wait until they release the price and it's way too high.
Then people on the waitlist start dropping like flies cause they can no longer afford it.

It's going to have to be similarly priced to it's competitors like the Golf R and the Civic Type R.

[donk.]

but a Merc A35 AMG 4 door hatch is somewhat readily available with 302hp for $52k... shrug...



I'm dissapointed they never sold the A45 here, and additionally, if I'm not mistaken the A35 only comes in the pussy package auto

Probably one of the only new cars I would consider buying

[bcrdukes]

You are correct. The A35 comes in auto only. Too bad for the A45 not making it here.

[68style]

Unrelated, but the C43 AMG estate is one sexy bitch

[CorneringArtist]

Toyota is taking a big risk on this car... I mean... don't get me wrong I think it's fantastic they're making it... but at the end of the day 300hp and AWD and Corolla isn't a supercar... and they're treating it like it is.

I mean, MAYBE apples and oranges to some... but a Merc A35 AMG 4 door hatch is somewhat readily available with 302hp for $52k... shrug...

The GR86 is bang on, marketed a fun sports car that's light and good price point for what it is, not super had to get one if you are an enthusiast of any sort or even if you're not... but making the GR Corolla like it's some untouchable mythical creature by comparison is a big mistake in my mind and goes against what they're trying to achieve with the GR branding.

Also automatic only, but for a bit more you also have the BMW X2 M35i. Then there’s the JCW stuff.

[JDMDreams]

I wonder if Toyota will make you finance at 8.99% :troll:

[roastpuff]

Unrelated, but the C43 AMG estate is one sexy bitch

Having test driven one, it's a hoot. The pops and burbles were amazing, and I got the back end to slide around a corner by booting it hard :D

Interior quality is meh though, and small inside. :(

Also, rides pretty harsh on the 20s. So WAF was low lol, especially with the AMG Sport Exhaust option.

[twitchyzero]

https://youtu.be/woLBP1X-D5E

[white rocket]

Neat video :) but another reminder that we don't get the GR Yaris here :(
Seeing those LHD's hurts even more :(

[geeknerd]

Planning on picking up a gr86 real soon... tempting to wait it out for pricing but at the end of the day, they are two different cars and i think i will have more fun with the 86..... i hope

[Bender Unit]

Planning on picking up a gr86 real soon... tempting to wait it out for pricing but at the end of the day, they are two different cars and i think i will have more fun with the 86..... i hope

GR86 is best value compact sport car at the moment.
Good Choice

How long you have to wait ?
1 year if you order now ??

[geeknerd]

GR86 is best value compact sport car at the moment.
Good Choice

How long you have to wait ?
1 year if you order now ??

3-6month is what I've been getting told from the dealerships. Who knows though.

MY 2023s are coming out now and I also saw some internet speculation that there will be a 10th anniversary version as well since VIN numbers have been applied for that.

[320icar]

We’re barely into April, yet 2023 are coming out?

[twitchyzero]

sometimes new MY comes in july/august and toyota will bump you into the new model if youre further down the list

[twitchyzero]

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a39714528/2023-toyota-gr-corolla-orders-demand/

Demand for the Toyota GR Corolla is strong. So strong, in fact, that Toyota is asking some dealers to stop taking orders because not all can be fulfilled.

"We have places right now, and parts of the country where there are so many orders being taken, we have to stop," said Jack Hollis, senior vice president of automotive operations at Toyota Motor North America, in an interview with Road & Track. A spokesperson further explained that Toyota doesn't want dealers taking customer deposits when there aren't enough allocations. Production of the GR Corolla will be fairly limited, as the car is largely hand-built at Toyota's GR factory in Motomachi, Japan. For the 2023 model year, there will be 6500 built, and production won't exceed 8000 units annually in future years.

There was some enthusiast outcry—including from the staff of Road & Track—over the fact that the rally-homologation GR Yaris wouldn't be sold in North America. We asked Hollis if the GR Corolla was greenlit in response to the positive reception of the GR Yaris here, but he said that the car was already in progress before the Yaris was revealed.

"Every product, whether it be Yaris, Corolla, 86, Supra comes from this family of GR, or this GR company. So when you say ‘Did we consider [the GR Yaris]?’ we consider anything," Hollis said. "It was just that we knew that GR Corolla fit our market... Doesn’t mean the GR Yaris couldn’t come here either, it's just that GR Corolla is what we made a commitment to."

The initial demand certainly indicates that Toyota made a good choice in bringing the GR Corolla here. (There's also the fact that homologating the GR Yaris for North America would've been expensive, as the regular Yaris isn't sold here.)

A Toyota spokesperson said that demand for the GR Corolla is likely higher on the coasts. The car isn't sold out for 2023, though. The consensus seems to be that if you want one at MSRP, the best tactic is to call dealers throughout the country.

Hollis is, unsurprisingly, very excited for the GR Corolla. "I think you gotta go to ‘What is GR?’ If you look at GR as being a personal passion point for Akio Toyoda, you have to sort of start from the genesis," Hollis said. "The fact that he himself is involved with the products that are being developed, the fact that GR86—starting back with Scion and FR-S—and moving on to Supra, you’re continuously seeing more and more what? Excitement, play, youthfulness, so the GR Corolla is just the next step in an evolution of the GR-ness in our company."

[twitchyzero]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj0thPUlDSA

[white rocket]

^^Sounds promising.

"A Toyota spokesperson said that demand for the GR Corolla is likely higher on the coasts. The car isn't sold out for 2023, though. The consensus seems to be that if you want one at MSRP, the best tactic is to call dealers throughout the country." - I wonder how this translates to the Canadian market since we will likely get way less than the U.S.?

Do we know if the Core will offer the LSD's as an option yet? What a deal killer that'd be.

[Bender Unit]

Do we know if the Core will offer the LSD's as an option yet? What a deal killer that'd be.

Performance Package will get LSDs

[white rocket]

Performance Package will get LSDs

Ahh cool. I didn't see anything mentioned on Toyota.ca but found this in C&D: https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/gr-corolla Hoping it isn't exclusive to the U.S. though.

"We'd stick with the Core and splurge on the Performance package, which adds front and rear limited-slip differentials"

"The top-spec Circuit Edition trim comes standard with front and rear limited slip differentials; the base Core model offers those as an option"

Also:

"The Technology package on Core models adds an eight-speaker JBL stereo system, a wireless smartphone charging pad, and in-dash navigation; these items are all standard on the Circuit Edition"

Trying to see if a Core would be acceptable just in case the Circuit Edition is reserved for those who are blowing a Toyota exec. The interior is the big selling point for the Circuit Edition since I feel I could live without the spoiler, vented hood bulge, cf roof, and signed shift knob. Really hoping to hoon one of these this winter.

[underscore]

Performance Package will get LSDs

That's only confirmed for the US though, Canada has no mention of packages in their release. Just the Core with standard heated seats and the loaded Circuit. Worst case I'll add a rear LSD myself.

[jcmaz]

Friend of mine told me Toyota Canada is getting around 80 units. Each dealership is getting 1-2 max.

[trollface]

Where was the guy that said they won't be sold out like maddd because ppl are afraid of stick? lol

[radeonboy]

Friend of mine told me Toyota Canada is getting around 80 units. Each dealership is getting 1-2 max.

That's ridiculous if true, what a joke. They're all probably going to the dealer principal and their best friend.

[roastpuff]

That allocation doesn't make sense, unless it's the Circuit Edition only.

Lexus IS500 Launch Edition - 500 units, 450 USA, 50 Canada.

GR Corolla - 6600 units, 6220 USA, 80 Canada? That makes no sense. If we're talking Circuit Edition which might be below 1000 units, even then you'd probably do a 90/10 split so 800 USA 80 Canada makes sense.

[underscore]

That sounds a lot lower than anything else I've heard. The lowest being that Ontario was just getting 90 this year.

There are ~250 dealerships in Canada so even just 1-2 per dealer is 250-500 cars lol.

[twitchyzero]

probably easier to bring in a jimny or yaris from mexico at this point lol

[underscore]

Here's a little bit of footage of it driving on the track and dirt. Skip to the last 30 seconds for exhaust noises.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsp3kEwwxSM

[Gerbs]

That's ridiculous if true, what a joke. They're all probably going to the dealer principal and their best friend.

My friend who's a sales manager said one's going to charity and one's going to owner lol.

He was going to get one to flip but he said there's only 2 allocated to his dealership so it's likely one of those cars where you'd be paying $80 - 100K to get it.

I wonder how much the A91 Supra was

[teggy604]

My friend who's a sales manager said one's going to charity and one's going to owner lol.

He was going to get one to flip but he said there's only 2 allocated to his dealership so it's likely one of those cars where you'd be paying $80 - 100K to get it.

I wonder how much the A91 Supra was

Is there any rules where management is not allowed to buy?
Because I have heard managers buy it, then sell it as a "used car" with 10kms or whatever from the factory to make a profit.

[EDawg]

can i still order one of these or am i way too late to the party?

[Manic!]

can i still order one of these or am i way too late to the party?

Each dealer is only getting on to 2 cars a year and some dealers on the mainland have 30 plus people in line.

[Badhobz]

wayy too late man. I called a few dealerships the day of the launch event and they told me they werent even taking anymore orders. Openroad Toyota had a friggin lineup that stretched around the block on launch day. :yuno::yuno::yuno:

[underscore]

Probably too late to get one right away, but this car will be around for at least 3 years and they'll come up on the used market at some point.

[68style]

I refunded my Openroad Richmond deposit... was about 50th in line and they were being dicks... said fuck it, not interested anymore. Super unhappy how Toyota is handling this car.

They're pulling the same shit with the manual Supra too. 500 units worldwide.

[Bender Unit]

They're pulling the same shit with the manual Supra too. 500 units worldwide.

There is a Supra A91-MT Edition limited to 50 units for Canada
1 year only production - 2023

You can still order regular Supra 3.0 Premium in Manual :joy

https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/about/news/toyota-gr-supra-adds-manual-transmission-and-enhanced-drive-dynamics-for-2023


GR Corolla :fuckthatshit: no hope to get it
Doesn't matter Core or Circuit edition

[68style]

There is a Supra A91-MT Edition limited to 50 units for Canada
1 year only production - 2023

You can still order regular Supra 3.0 Premium in Manual :joy

https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/about/news/toyota-gr-supra-adds-manual-transmission-and-enhanced-drive-dynamics-for-2023


GR Corolla :fuckthatshit: no hope to get it
Doesn't matter Core or Circuit edition

Oh I see thank you, the article I read was very misleading like it was only available with that special edition

[AzNightmare]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/toyota-gr-corolla-morizo-edition-130000021.html

Toyota GR Corolla Morizo Edition is even more hardcore

The 1.6-liter three-cylinder engine is improved for the Morizo Edition, as it now makes 295 pound-feet of torque versus the regular GR Corolla’s 273 pound-feet. Horsepower remains the same at 300 ponies. The extra twist comes via re-tuned engine software, and peak torque is now made at 3,250-4,600 rpm versus 3,000-5,500 rpm. The six-speed manual is now a “close ratio” manual transmission, so expect shorter gearing versus the regular GR Corolla. Plus, Toyota says it also features shorter differential gearing for better acceleration “across the power band.”


Total weight for the Morizo Edition is 3,186 pounds, 106 pounds less than the Circuit Edition, but it comes at a great cost to utility. Toyota removed the rear seat from the car, and along with it came the rear door speakers, rear window regulators, rear wiper blade and accompanying wiper motor. It also features lighter-``weight and model-exclusive forged 18-inch wheels. And lastly, the same carbon fiber roof as is used for the Circuit Edition is used for the Morizo.

[Badhobz]

only 100lbs saved and only like 15ftlb of torque more? all the while narrowing the powerband? :heckno::heckno:

[EvoFire]

only 100lbs saved and only like 15ftlb of torque more? all the while narrowing the powerband? :heckno::heckno:

I think the power band is just as good, it's probably still making 273lubs @ 3,000-5,500 rpm but now there's a high peak than before.

But that 100lbs come at a great cost.

[320icar]

You could just remove the rear seats, buy some chassis stiffening and get a tune. Don’t fall for this marketing stuff :p

[underscore]

They're only making 200, so it doesn't matter anyways. We'll never see one, let alone buy one.

[bcrdukes]

Not sure which is more elusive. This or the Mercedes AMG One.

[AzNightmare]

You could just remove the rear seats, buy some chassis stiffening and get a tune. Don’t fall for this marketing stuff :p

Oh, for sure if you're the type willing to do a bit of DIY and void warranty, there is so much more value in buying lower trim variants.

[AzNightmare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CDoHzkflzY

[Dbone]

So can we sign up for this one?

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-japanesecars/toyota-unveils-two-seat-gr-corolla-morizo-edition/45763

edit: uh.. sorry, didn't see the above. Fail!

[hud 91gt]

These aren’t on the road are they? Spotted a hot little Corolla today in like a blue color. Looked fun.

Edit: just googled “blue Corolla gr”. That was definitely it.

[carsncars]

These aren’t on the road are they? Spotted a hot little Corolla today in like a blue color. Looked fun.

Edit: just googled “blue Corolla gr”. That was definitely it.

I don't believe they are yet. It probably was an XSE hatch in Blue Flame? They look pretty sharp. If you Google "blue Corolla GR" those are mostly Photoshops/renders of the XSE hatch.

https://blog.consumerguide.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2018/08/Screen-Shot-2018-08-09-at-2.13.54-PM-1024x588.png

[Manic!]

No blue.

The Toyota GR Corolla's colors include white, black, and Supersonic Red for the Core trim, whereas the Circuit Edition replaces black with Heavy Metal.

[underscore]

They haven't released pricing or dates yet. They did announce *another* special edition, the Morizo Edition with some things deleted to save weight.

[white rocket]

^^Link to said *another* edition? I'll search but figured I'd ask while posting.

Morizo Edition will go to showrooms for display, auctions, and collectors, then maybe some youtubers. Doubtful the common folk would have the opportunity to buy one at MSRP, or might not even want to. Making it a dedicated two seater kinda kills it. Really cool with those front seats and the alcan trim but weight redux can be achieved for far less money. And it's just way easier to take the rear seats out for a track day and be able to put them back in to keep the functionality of the car intact. Props for the Do-Luck style brace back there. Haha. I can appreciate what it takes for a manufacturer to incorporate bracing into an interior and make it look factory. It's a bit luggage rack vibes but looks pretty beefy so it no doubt is adding some rigidity.

I'm still stoked for this car, in all trims, despite the seeming un-achievability of it at this point.

[underscore]

I forgot someone had mentioned it here, the main unique thing for the Morizo is the gearing. Everything else you can theoretically do yourself, and like you said then you can still put the seats back in if you need them. If the Morizo is registered as a 2 seater then legally you can't put rear seats in it.

More fancy versions to distract people is fine by me though, I just want a white Core with or without the Performance Pack diffs, nothing else.

[Bender Unit]

GR Corolla Circuit Edition spotted at Steveston port

https://i.postimg.cc/bNGjZs08/294424937-10166438049970075-5683982833790738926-n.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/CK0yr73L/294441670-10166438050475075-2282973371299635563-n.jpg

[68style]

Must be a demo / promo / review car?

Dealers said Circuit Edition wasn't coming until early 2023... regular GR in the fall

[underscore]

Probably the demo car that was down in Texas a few weeks ago.

[trollface]

Did anyone ever get a MSRP on this thing?

[TOS'd]

Doesn't have the big wing like in the release pictures either.

[Badhobz]

^thats installed afterwards at the WWL depot. They do the actual PDI

https://www.walleniuswilhelmsen.com/?utm_campaign=google%20my%20business&utm_source=google.com&utm_medium=gmb

https://vimeo.com/508786493/f58d5fa1a9

[trollface]

Why is that a thing?

[Badhobz]

because it lowers overall damage claims and costs for the auto manufacturer to have the final "delicate" or regional parts done at their destination. In canada case, we need DLR's WWL installs all of those, or activates them, depending on make or model.

The dealer only really rips off the white sheet and detail the car. Thats the extent of their PDI. Most of the hard work is done at the vehicle depots thats right next to the offramp ports.

[TOS'd]

^thats installed afterwards at the WWL depot. They do the actual PDI

https://www.walleniuswilhelmsen.com/?utm_campaign=google%20my%20business&utm_source=google.com&utm_medium=gmb

There are actually two sizes of the spoiler that appear on the circuit edition demo/promo cars. The demo cars (hotlaps, influencer test drives, etc.) appear to have the low profile one while the car show/promo ones on display have the large one. Just some general observations, but production Circuit edition should have the large one anyways.

[trollface]

because it lowers overall damage claims and costs for the auto manufacturer to have the final "delicate" or regional parts done at their destination. In canada case, we need DLR's WWL installs all of those, or activates them, depending on make or model.

The dealer only really rips off the white sheet and detail the car. Thats the extent of their PDI. Most of the hard work is done at the vehicle depots thats right next to the offramp ports.

Oh that's interesting.

So besides wings, i'm guessing things like skirts and nice wheels too?

[Badhobz]

yeah they add packages that you ordered. Usually this happens on more mass produced cars like the ratrollas / camrys / Suv's etc. higher end cars comes pretty much complete with little to no PDI required.

Thus if you dont want the average WWL worker (who gets paid less than 50k a year) ripping apart your brand new car, either order base, or buy something a bit more bespoke. Im talking imports off course, domestic is the same thing but it's done at rail ramps next to the factory

LOGISTICS !!!! fun

[trollface]

SO THIS IS WHERE THEY CUT THE SUNROOFS?

[TOS'd]

yeah they add packages that you ordered. Usually this happens on more mass produced cars like the ratrollas / camrys / Suv's etc. higher end cars comes pretty much complete with little to no PDI required.

Thus if you dont want the average WWL worker (who gets paid less than 50k a year) ripping apart your brand new car, either order base, or buy something a bit more bespoke. Im talking imports off course, domestic is the same thing but it's done at rail ramps next to the factory

LOGISTICS !!!! fun

Is this why the model decal on the trunk of my last new vehicle was crooked??

[Badhobz]

Yes! A lot of your fit and finish on imported vehicles can be directly attributed to these PDI guys.

p.s. i dont actually work in this business. i work for the ports, but ive toured their facilities a few times

https://vimeo.com/678092057

[BIC_BAWS]

Well that explains why the CTR has the fit and finish of a Tesla lol

Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

[Badhobz]

I recall the majority of the crap they do are interior related.

programming the GPS, filing fluids, enabling infotainment, floor mat install, etc

[68style]

And yet you're paying the dealer $2,000 for PDI in Canada... and another $400-600 in paperwork fees.

We get so worked on those fees in Canada too... like for a GR86 in USA the freight+PDI fee is $1,025 USD... in Canada it's $1,820 CAD... getting taken for an extra $500 above currency exchange for the same service.

[underscore]

The big wing from the promo stuff isn't going to be on any of the production cars, at least not yet. My guess is it'll show up on another special edition later on.

Did anyone ever get a MSRP on this thing?

Nope, it's the one thing everyone is waiting on atm lol.

[Badhobz]

And yet you're paying the dealer $2,000 for PDI in Canada... and another $400-600 in paperwork fees.

We get so worked on those fees in Canada too... like for a GR86 in USA the freight+PDI fee is $1,025 USD... in Canada it's $1,820 CAD... getting taken for an extra $500 above currency exchange for the same service.

because of shipping volume. USA takes 10x more additional vehicle imports than Canada. the more you ship, the cheaper it is per car.

[68style]

But it’s the same thing across the board on cars made in North America or even Canada :(

[Badhobz]

oh yeah thats straight up robbery. I saw that too when i was leasing my green ratrolla built in Kentucky had the same freight & PDI costs as a 4runner (at that time was built in japan).

They said its to make it easier for consumers but its straight profits in their pockets.

[white rocket]

Nope, it's the one thing everyone is waiting on atm lol.

Toyota waiting for Honda to release FL5 CTR pricing. Playing the "you first" game perhaps.

[Kilinim]

I recall the majority of the crap they do are interior related.

programming the GPS, filing fluids, enabling infotainment, floor mat install, etc

Not true. They also do exterior add-ons (wheels/tires, tpms, battery charging, side mirrors, alignments, heated seats).

[Kilinim]

yeah they add packages that you ordered. Usually this happens on more mass produced cars like the ratrollas / camrys / Suv's etc. higher end cars comes pretty much complete with little to no PDI required.

Thus if you dont want the average WWL worker (who gets paid less than 50k a year) ripping apart your brand new car, either order base, or buy something a bit more bespoke. Im talking imports off course, domestic is the same thing but it's done at rail ramps next to the factory

LOGISTICS !!!! fun

Not entirely true. WWL workers get paid pretty well tbh ($28-40/hour). Base or top of the line, they're all getting ridden.

[Gumby]

Not true. They also do exterior add-ons (wheels/tires, tpms, battery charging, side mirrors, alignments, heated seats).
Agreed - I read that for BMWs, any M-performance parts that you order as part of your new car will be installed at the port.

[Badhobz]

Not entirely true. WWL workers get paid pretty well tbh ($28-40/hour). Base or top of the line, they're all getting ridden.

Not that bad then. I saw a posting for their manager job and they were only offering 50-60k. I thought their techs were even worse than that.

Appreciate the insight. It’s a pretty neat industry but it seems not too lucrative vs other port industries.

[JDMDreams]

^^ Rs hook up for port jobs? Plz

[Kilinim]

Not that bad then. I saw a posting for their manager job and they were only offering 50-60k. I thought their techs were even worse than that.

Appreciate the insight. It’s a pretty neat industry but it seems not too lucrative vs other port industries.

Management is another monster. They're severely underpaid and shit on constantly. It's suffocating being on that side.

[Kilinim]

Not that bad then. I saw a posting for their manager job and they were only offering 50-60k. I thought their techs were even worse than that.

Appreciate the insight. It’s a pretty neat industry but it seems not too lucrative vs other port industries.

Definitely not the most lucrative port side, but still lucrative in its own right.

[Badhobz]

i got some questions

1 - which models require the least PDI @ WWL ? i remember during my WWL tour the guy said most of the exotics come pretty much ready to roll

2 - do you guys have a paint booth at your facility for damages or is that sent out somewhere else ? does the customer ever know about these sort of damages ?

3 - if there is damage during shipping transportation does that ever get recorded ? how can the end user find out?

Thanks Kilinim! interesting stuff

[radeonboy]

Not Kilinim but from my understanding cosmetic damage seldom gets reported to the end consumer - the repairs get fixed beforehand. Sometimes parts can also go missing from theft during transport, and a new part gets put in before being presented to a customer.

[68style]

My buddy has a body shop and does a lot of dealer repairs / paint work on brand new cars

[Kilinim]

i got some questions

1 - which models require the least PDI @ WWL ? i remember during my WWL tour the guy said most of the exotics come pretty much ready to roll

2 - do you guys have a paint booth at your facility for damages or is that sent out somewhere else ? does the customer ever know about these sort of damages ?

3 - if there is damage during shipping transportation does that ever get recorded ? how can the end user find out?

Thanks Kilinim! interesting stuff

As far as least bit of PDI, I'd say Mazdas and GM. Majority just get tow hooks removed and then shipped out.

Used to have a paint booth but the program was discontinued. Paint deficiencies are handled off site.

Damage during shipping is recorded, if it's seen. Disclosure, that's another story. End user rarely factors into business consideration, imo.

[68style]

Not directly GR Corolla related... but I see Toyota has updated their Canada site (but not the USA one!) with the manual 2023 GR Supra pricing... identical to the auto:

https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/build-price/supra

Probably means the GR Corolla pricing will be coming along shortly though!

[320icar]

Inb4 my guess of 67k or something (maybe not msrp but that’s what dealers will ask)

[BIC_BAWS]

Probably higher. I went to GoAuto VW (prev. Cowell VW) over the weekend. They're asking for 70K for a MK8 R in DSG with 500km.

[320icar]

That must be the one I saw on Craigslist. Full crack pipe

[Klondike]

Probably means the GR Corolla pricing will be coming along shortly though!

Pricing announced. Base starts at $36,995 USD


https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a41075018/2023-toyota-gr-corolla-pricing/

[Badhobz]

Sooo roughly 40k for a ratrolla ! Yikes.

[!Aznboi128]

That's for the base, so the one you want would be the Circuit prob around that 50k CAD mark.

Pretty in-line with the Golf R.

[Edison_Chen]

That's for the base, so the one you want would be the Circuit prob around that 50k CAD mark.

Pretty in-line with the Golf R.

The CDN price of the new Civic Type R will probably be close to that as well.

[JDMDreams]

What's the point you can't buy a type r or gr anyways so that leaves you with a golf r at the end of the day. Unless you buy an a45, do we even get those anymore?

[radeonboy]

What's the point you can't buy a type r or gr anyways so that leaves you with a golf r at the end of the day. Unless you buy an a45, do we even get those anymore?

We never got the A45, our A-hatch topped out at the A35 for us. The CLA / GLA got the 45 treatment.

It's unfortunate the Type R / GR Corolla will be tough to get because part of their appeal is the performance they deliver at their MSRP prices. I appreciate what Honda and Toyota are doing with their economy hatchbacks, but it's hard for me to feel excited when they're going to be inaccessible without paying a big premium.

[bcrdukes]

Ditto to that. By limiting access and availability, and ensuring exclusivity, as an end consumer, you aren't left with many choices and the easiest one is to look elsewhere. I feel the same for Porsche and the artificial market they've created.

[!Aznboi128]

With pricing the way they are, M-B is pretty attractive. Yes I know these are the base prices and you can stack a bunch of options but still it's something to note.

A35 hatch/sedan- $52k
GLA35 - $54k
GLA45 - $64k
GLB35- $60k

Mini Countryman JCW $54k

[Badhobz]

Man I remember when the 350z was 30k to start and the 240sx was 25k

None of these cars seem to be that great of a deal. 40-50k is a helluva lot of money for a Corolla

Gr86 still best bang for the buck

[AzNightmare]

lol, this exclusivity bullshit needs to stop.
300hp JDM and all of a sudden, it's supercar rare now?
:fuckthatshit:

[JDMDreams]

Cough time to buy a WRX cough:accepted: Mazda 3 turbo? Just crank up the booooost

[Klondike]

With pricing the way they are, M-B is pretty attractive. Yes I know these are the base prices and you can stack a bunch of options but still it's something to note.

A35 hatch/sedan- $52k



You can spec a rose gold A35 AMG :lol

https://i.imgur.com/xoRSshJ.png

More like A35 ABG

[radeonboy]

^lol I was just spec’ing out a A35 hatch in rose gold as well, it’s quite appealing near base price. But then I remembered all the electrical issues a friend faced with her A250…

[twitchyzero]

taycan has rose gold too

[AzNightmare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxsmFH6K2BA

[SkunkWorks]

Core for Canada is $45,490 with circuit at $53,990 and morizo at 60k.

Interestingly it says core for Canada comes with heated seats and torsen diffs as standard.

Sauce: https://www.auto123.com/en/news/2023-toyota-gr-corolla-pricing-trims-canada/69598/

[!Aznboi128]

Core for Canada is $45,490 with circuit at $53,990 and morizo at 60k.

Interestingly it says core for Canada comes with heated seats and torsen diffs as standard.

Sauce: https://www.auto123.com/en/news/2023-toyota-gr-corolla-pricing-trims-canada/69598/
Confirmed on Toyota's newsroom

First-Ever GR Corolla Rockets to the Streets this Fall | Toyota Canada (http://media.toyota.ca/releases/first-ever-gr-corolla-rockets-to-the-streets-this-fall)

The 2023 Toyota GR Corolla Core (starting MSRP: $45,490) provides drivers with a well-balanced, responsive, and spirited compact hatch featuring 18” black alloy wheels and GR Sports seats. The Core grade receives an 8” Toyota Multimedia system with Service Connect (up to 5-yr trial), Remote Connect (3-yr trial), Safety Connect (3-yr trial), Drive Connect enabled (paid subscription required) along with 6-speaker audio system and standard wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility. Unique to Canada, the GR Corolla Core will come standard with heated front seats and front and rear Torsen® Limited Slip Differentials (LSD).

The 2023 Toyota GR Corolla Circuit Edition (starting MSRP: $53,990) is a limited production, launch-year exclusive model. This edition builds on the Core model, adding a carbon fibre roof, GR red caliper brakes, a vented hood bulge, rear spoiler, GR suede seats, a heated steering wheel, a signature shift knob, and a 3-year Drive Connect (Cloud Navigation, Intelligent Assistant, Destination Assist) trial along with an 8-speaker JBL® Premium Audio system with an eight-channel, 800-watt amplifier.

The 2023 Toyota GR Corolla MORIZO Edition (starting MSRP: $59,990) is also a limited production model. Named after Akio Toyoda’s racing moniker, this is the track-focussed GR Corolla, featuring a re-tuned engine that delivers a higher, 295 lb-ft of torque. This model drops the rear seats to save weight, then securely holds driver and navigator in Brin-Naub and synthetic leather-trimmed GR sport seats with red stitching and red mesh inserts. Other features include a close-ratio six-speed manual transmission with an Ultrasuede-clad MORIZO signed shift knob, forged 18” alloy wheels, carbon fibre roof, rear lip spoiler, vented hood bulge and a suede-clad steering wheel.