[Manic!]

Found this on reddit. We are talking almost 4 years for a Rav 4 prime.

Hey all, same post basically. Allocations will be low for this quarter, country wide. Canada has very few units on ground across the country. The U.S also has very few units on ground.

Corolla - 4-5 months

Corolla HB - 5-6 months (Limited allocations)

Corolla Cross - 15 months (No more 2022)

Corolla HV - 15-18 months (No more 2022)

Camry - 6-7 months (Very limited allocations)

Camry HV - 15-18 months (No more 2022)

Prius - 15 months (No more 2022)

Prius Prime - 15 months (No more 2022)

RAV4 - 6-7 months (Limiteds, Trails, TRD OffRoad more than likely will be 2023 models)

RAV4 HV - 15-18 months (No more 2022)

Venza HV - 15-18 months (No more 2022)

BZ4x - 18-24 months (No more 2022)

Highlander - 5-6 months (Platinum and Limited models will more than likely be 2023) - Mid model redesign year for Highlander. 2.4L Turbo (260 HP) and Multimedia system added.

Highlander HV - 18-24 months (No more 2022, 2023 will be tight)

Tundra - 15 months (No more 2022)

Tundra HV - 18-24 months (No more 2022, 2023 will be tight)

4Runner - 6-7 months (Very few Sport/Limited, No more Trail/Pro for 2022)

Tacoma - 5-6 months (No Pro, No Trail, No Premiums - Offroad or Sport)

Sienna HV - 18-24 months (No more 2022, 2023 will be very tight)

RAV4 Prime - Don't even think about it until 2026/7, seriously...

GR86 - 15 months (No more for 2022)

GR Supra - 15 months (No more for 2022)

GR Corolla - You're not getting one this year. (80 for the whole country to share)

[JDMDreams]

Time to buy a Tesla :accepted:

[68style]

Time to deposit all the Toyotas and then sell your allotment when it shows up lol

[Alpine]

BC Rav4 Hybrid depends on trim:

Rav4 LE: 4 months
SE: 6-9 months
XLE/XSE: 12 months
Limited: 6 months

Venza: 6-9 months

[tru_blue]

or you can go lease something from Richmond Mazda with no wait time



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[underscore]

I'm taking that with a grain of salt knowing that nobody has released any allocation numbers for the GR Corolla for the US or Canada yet but dealers have been making all kinds of BS up.

[tofu1413]

not releasing numbers because dealer principals and buddies buying them up.


what availability.

[Badhobz]

yes ! even a lousy corolla LE takes 5 months at this point. There's a waiting list for a LOUSY COROLLA LE !!!

[Gumby]

Time to deposit all the Toyotas and then sell your allotment when it shows up lol
Does Toyota allow that? I placed a deposit for a Hyundai Ioniq 5 back in March and they said my spot cannot be transferred...

[68style]

Straight up sell the car post-purchase

[radeonboy]

Does Toyota allow that? I placed a deposit for a Hyundai Ioniq 5 back in March and they said my spot cannot be transferred...

I believe the Hyundai / Kia waitlists are managed at the corporate level, but I don't think that's the case with Toyota so it's a free-for-all.

[GLOW]

i was thinking of the possibility of timing my lease return for an EV, but the way things are with supply, i'm starting to think i'll save myself the stress and buy out my SUV which i know would be well taken care of by me and just be happy with a gas car like the peasant that i am :alone:

[JDMDreams]

^^ must be rich to buy gas :lawl:

[GLOW]

i do less than 10k kms/year, going to the gas station is like allowing me to get out of the house :troll:

been following the EV thread and seems like i really need to put over 20-30k kms/year to justify it, so the supply chain/wait time drama isn't really selling me on EV atm

[68style]

I started thinking the Supra actually isn't that ugly anymore... and appreciating how fast it is... and that it's coming in manual for 2023... and why I would spend 6 figures+ on a 10 year old 911 when it's like $80k for a brand new Supra :ohgodwhy:

[tofu1413]

tbh, A90 is a justifiable buy if you don't see it as a "supra" and not in it for supra nostalgia reasons.

its an excellent car.

[k3mps]

No one can predict the chip shortage, not even the manufacturers.
Yes there are less chips but manufacturers have already begun adjusting their production numbers so the answer of whether there will be "enough chips" is vague. 500 chips is enough if I cut production from 700 to 500 but if I want to maintain 1000 units then ya, there's a shortage. It all depends how the industry responds with their production numbers.

Bosch just announced a massive investment to further produce their own chips

[jaaagman]

No one can predict the chip shortage, not even the manufacturers.
Yes there are less chips but manufacturers have already begun adjusting their production numbers so the answer of whether there will be "enough chips" is vague. 500 chips is enough if I cut production from 700 to 500 but if I want to maintain 1000 units then ya, there's a shortage. It all depends how the industry responds with their production numbers.

Bosch just announced a massive investment to further produce their own chips

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/with-95k-unfinished-cars-general-motors-shares-gloomy-forecast-on-the-chip-shortage-193696.html

Some YouTubers have been saying that new car inventories have been returning to normal, but that's not what I'm seeing here. I don't expect the situation to improve until next year at the earliest. Maybe its a sign that we need to shove less garbage tech into cars *shrug*

[68style]

Yah good luck with that, any manufacturer dares to not put lane changing self stopping shit in a car nowadays and all the mommy's and daddy's who aren't car enthusiasts are like "IT'S NOT SAFE" and cross it off their list.

Stupid is as stupid does. We are a bad sample as car enthuiasts... the only ones who see that stuff a bane.

[GS8]

Yah good luck with that, any manufacturer dares to not put lane changing self stopping shit in a car nowadays and all the mommy's and daddy's who aren't car enthusiasts are like "IT'S NOT SAFE" and cross it off their list.

Stupid is as stupid does. We are a bad sample as car enthuiasts... the only ones who see that stuff a bane.

It doesn't help when manufacturers openly advertise that it's okay to be a negligent retard behind the wheel because the car will save you (and your children's) asses.

I guess putting personal responsibility on individuals has been relegated to a trope.

[Badhobz]

these "safety" systems are actually making driving less safe

brake hold - creates a habit where you dont keep your foot on the brake at stop lights

blind spot monitoring - creates a habit where you dont shoulder check

backup camera - nobody even turns their head around anymore

adaptive cruise + lane tracing/centering - it gives you warnings to keep your focus on the road and to be alert etc, but thats bullshit. the whole point is to let the damn thing drive itself so you can minimize the fatigue of concentrating.

Edit: you know what would actually improve safety? a friggin manual E brake. i Recall last time when i was sliding out into a stop light during the winter storm of 08' that manual E brake saved my ass. Now all these eletronic bullshit e brakes do nothing other than hold the car when you park.

[Manic!]

Back up camera's and back up senors are mandatory because kids where getting run over by parents. You can't see short objects by turning your head around.

https://www.kidsandcars.org/how-kids-get-hurt/backovers/

In the U.S. at least fifty children are being backed over by vehicles EVERY week.
The predominant age of victims is one year olds. (12-23 months)
Over 60% of backing up incidents involved a larger size vehicle. (truck, van, SUV)
Tragically, in over 70% of these incidents, a parent or close relative is behind the wheel.


Also many sports cars have shitty rear viability. My car has none.

[68style]

The U.S. should never be used as an example of intelligent behaviour

[77civic1200]

Edit: you know what would actually improve safety? a friggin manual E brake. i Recall last time when i was sliding out into a stop light during the winter storm of 08' that manual E brake saved my ass. Now all these eletronic bullshit e brakes do nothing other than hold the car when you park.

While I appreciate the manual e-brake for fun reasons, the electronic e-brake does a lot more than you think. Your new car have electronic steering? auto-cruise? those all work together. Take your car out on a quiet highway, let go of the wheel and pull the e-brake. I'll bet your car will slow down to a stop on the shoulder, may even call the hotline for you, they will make sure you are ok. And of course that e-brake button will be available to any passengers that need it

[teggy604]

these "safety" systems are actually making driving less safe

brake hold - creates a habit where you dont keep your foot on the brake at stop lights

blind spot monitoring - creates a habit where you dont shoulder check

backup camera - nobody even turns their head around anymore

adaptive cruise + lane tracing/centering - it gives you warnings to keep your focus on the road and to be alert etc, but thats bullshit. the whole point is to let the damn thing drive itself so you can minimize the fatigue of concentrating.

Edit: you know what would actually improve safety? a friggin manual E brake. i Recall last time when i was sliding out into a stop light during the winter storm of 08' that manual E brake saved my ass. Now all these eletronic bullshit e brakes do nothing other than hold the car when you park.

Man, this is so true. You can add Telsa one foot driving on to that list as well, and "auto pilot"

[tofu1413]

^ theres a local black model 3 driving around with "driving with auto pilot" stickered all over the back of the car

:lawl:

[teggy604]

^^ my buddy owns a model 3 as well. He told me the auto pilot is good, and its super easy to trust it which is not a good thing hence all the accidents. Only time you can trust a car on self driving mode is when there are no controls and you are a passenger. Until then it just advanced cruise control.

[68style]

As an aside to this, I was on the Toyota website and clicked on their future vehicles section... I did not know the Toyota Crown nameplate was making a comeback

https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/register-for-2023-crown-updates

2.4L Turbo in tandem with a rear electric motor... weird looking sedan / crossover concept... same width as a Camry, 4" taller and as long as a Highlander. Not very attractive in my opinion...

[Badhobz]

yes they ruining the crown nameplate. its like a bigger venza now.

[mb_]

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/with-95k-unfinished-cars-general-motors-shares-gloomy-forecast-on-the-chip-shortage-193696.html

Some YouTubers have been saying that new car inventories have been returning to normal, but that's not what I'm seeing here. I don't expect the situation to improve until next year at the earliest. Maybe its a sign that we need to shove less garbage tech into cars *shrug*

I've been seeing new car deliveries increasing more and more lately at the dealership that I work at. It's definitely not near the levels pre-pandemic but it's considerably better than it was in the past year or so.

What I've noticed more is some of the stuff that the car is equipped with aren't installed due to to parts shortages and we have to bring the customer back at a later date to install them.

[BIC_BAWS]

As an aside to this, I was on the Toyota website and clicked on their future vehicles section... I did not know the Toyota Crown nameplate was making a comeback

https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/register-for-2023-crown-updates

2.4L Turbo in tandem with a rear electric motor... weird looking sedan / crossover concept... same width as a Camry, 4" taller and as long as a Highlander. Not very attractive in my opinion...https://www.instagram.com/reel/CgFQO6Ip2rl/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

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[Teriyaki]

That new "Crown" looks absolutely vile imo.

How did we get from something like this:

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/M81Jm/s1/2015-611277toyota-crown-facelift-with-trd-accessories1.jpg

To this abomination of a rear-end. I guess blame the popularity of the X4's and X6's of this world for this "trend"? :okay:

https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2022/07/17/IMG_5984a-scaled.jpeg?auto=webp&auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1440

[bcrdukes]

Oh my.. :inoutugh:

[Spectre_Cdn]

North America gets the worst of the 4 Crown variants.

The SUV, sedan, and wagon are fine-looking vehicles. We’re just presumed to have poor taste :okay:

Abomination on the left:
https://japanesenostalgiccar.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Toyota-Crown-2023-lineup-02.jpg

More: https://japanesenostalgiccar.com/toyota-crown-sedan-lives-on-as-model-expands-into-new-segments/

[Alpine]

I can imagine the SUV variants coming. The crossover we are getting was just a waste of development $ though.

[underscore]

I really don't get crossovers. Yes I would like the smaller cargo capacity of a sedan but with the worse handling and fuel economy of an SUV.

[68style]

Wow... look at this little dude Toyota GR sells overseas:

https://toyota.jp/copen/gallery/?padid=from_copen_top_gallary_interior#des-int

https://toyota.jp/pages/contents/copen/001_p_001/4.0/image/gallery_des-ext_07.jpg

[Badhobz]

BrokeBackBrokeBack gawd damn JDM stuff.... i hate you toyota

[white rocket]

That's killer. Like a Honda Beat or a Suzuki Cappuccino.

Agreed on the crossovers. X4, X6, GLE Coupe; jesus fuck they are so brutal looking. As a sedan owner I am inconvenienced not having a hatch but I'd rather endure the costs of having two vehicles so I can enjoy the sedan rather than a "do-it-all" crossover that looks like that Crown. Sedans for life!

[Alpine]

Wow... look at this little dude Toyota GR sells overseas:

https://toyota.jp/copen/gallery/?padid=from_copen_top_gallary_interior#des-int

https://toyota.jp/pages/contents/copen/001_p_001/4.0/image/gallery_des-ext_07.jpg

Let's not kid ourselves. We would need the likes of Christian Chia to owe us a favor to stand a chance at grabbing one of these if they were ever sold here lol.

[Badhobz]

^ I think he’s stepping away from the auto business and doing something else. I don’t see or hear from him as much anymore.

[JDMDreams]

Can we buy from Mexico? I was just reading articles that there were Suzuki Jimnys fs at dealers in the US

[68style]

You can buy from Mexico, but if the equivalent model isn't for sale in Canada you can't register it here.

I've heard of some loopholes like disassembling the car completely and then re-assembling it here and insuring through ICBC as a u-bilt/kit car with a custom VIN but that seems pretty beyond most people's scope.

[trollface]

Can we buy from Mexico? I was just reading articles that there were Suzuki Jimnys fs at dealers in the US

How did you plan on brining back to Canadian soil?

[Teriyaki]

Semi related question. Have they addressed the 15 year import rule as part of the new car gas engine ban that's being implemented in.. 2030?2035? As in do we know once that ban is in effect, would we still be able to import old gas engine cars or not...

[68style]

I think they said new car sales... so importing from outside the country is going to not be a new car anymore?

[Special K]

Does anyone know if the car comes faster at a bigger dealership?

Looking to get a Corolla sedan or HB. Since no one will give discounts, I wonder which dealer will get the car fastest.

[68style]

Just call around and ask what the wait times are... and be prepared for a lot of lies.

Your position in line is only as good as the profit margin you represent. Trade-in potential or financing/leasing bumps you to the front.

[Mikoyan]

Went in last weekend to inquire about a Sienna. Sales guy told us 3 year wait.

[Liquid_o2]

Went in last weekend to inquire about a Sienna. Sales guy told us 3 year wait.

Omg. Wife and I were talking about one a few months ago. I wanted the Sienna since it only comes in Hybrid, but the salesman we talked to said at least 1.5 year wait. We ended up going the other way and put a deposit down for a turbo Outback - if I'm sticking with gas, I'm going turbo wagon :lawl:

[Mikoyan]

Omg. Wife and I were talking about one a few months ago. I wanted the Sienna since it only comes in Hybrid, but the salesman we talked to said at least 1.5 year wait. We ended up going the other way and put a deposit down for a turbo Outback - if I'm sticking with gas, I'm going turbo wagon :lawl:

Yeah, I wanted the hybrid too, but we need a van sooner than 3 years lol. The sales guy said if you need a minivan sooner, get an Odyssey. We were already looking at the Honda anyways, so deposit down, and looking at delivery around October.

[Liquid_o2]

Yeah, I wanted the hybrid too, but we need a van sooner than 3 years lol. The sales guy said if you need a minivan sooner, get an Odyssey. We were already looking at the Honda anyways, so deposit down, and looking at delivery around October.

That is pretty quick!

We like the Odyssey, but it doesn't have all-wheel drive and the fuel economy is worse than the Outback. But if you need 7-seats, it makes sense.

[Mikoyan]

That is pretty quick!

We like the Odyssey, but it doesn't have all-wheel drive and the fuel economy is worse than the Outback. But if you need 7-seats, it makes sense.

I really wanted AWD, but with aging parents, we need the 7/8 seats for outings.

[Teriyaki]

Anyone know what the inventory or wait times look like for a Prius Prime these days?

[jcmaz]

I heard it was 6-8 months. I'd skip the premium trims and go with the base model since the infotainment controls are so much better. Since owning the car, we've only filled up once. I think the Odo is around 2000km :)