[Badhobz]

Holy crap!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn6gmBQUTdg

5.5L of NA v8 goodness. flat plane crank, 8600RPM redline. sounds INSANE

[twitchyzero]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJP6oXfZkFo

would be floored to do a factory delivery

replacement tires are gonna be like 5k+ and might not even be fun on a tight track like vimc

[donk.]

Anyone else think they butchered the c8 by making it look like a Camaro from the rear

[The Producer]

the whole car is ugly AF. part ferrari, part Michael Bay

but it's performance is undeniable.

my neighbour just picked up a 2019 C7 Z06 w every option you can think of.

It's spectacular. A real muscle car - not a euro supercar rip off. Does it perform as well? I'm sure it's not even close, but for him anyways - that wasn't the point.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221003/f0bc23630ca2066e6cef4ac0ce3552d2.jpg

[nessus]

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/ezoimgfmt/i0.wp.com/www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Corvette-z06-markiup.jpg?w=840&ssl=1&ezimgfmt=ng:webp/ngcb2

A 90k USD markup, yakes

[Badhobz]

agreed the old c7 looks better. This c8 isnt the best looker but my god the engine sounds UTTERLY EXOTIC. more ferrari than ferrari nowadays.

[JDMDreams]

No care unless I can buy at MSRP

[Traum]

Serious (but still hypothetic) question -- if you have the means to do so, and the car can be purchased at MSRP, would you do it with your own money? (You're not allowed to flip it for profit or anything.)

As sexy as that engine noise sounds, I have a hard time trusting GM enough on a high performance vehicle like this. I dunno very many people from the Corvette Club, but among the amateur motorsports circle that I interact with, I personally know at least 3 -- if not more -- Corvette owners who have had catastrophic engine failures when they track their Corvettes, not to mention minor little issues. Some were covered under warranty and some were not, but the odds don't really seem all that appealing to me.

Yes, I know people who have blown Miata, Honda, and BRZ engines too, and of course I also know Corvette owners who have happily beat on their Vettes without issues. But the frequency of failure just seems a bit higher than I would be comfortable with...

[supafamous]

Serious (but still hypothetic) question -- if you have the means to do so, and the car can be purchased at MSRP, would you do it with your own money? (You're not allowed to flip it for profit or anything.)


Any car in this price range has performance that vastly exceeds my current and potential talent level on a track so if I could only spend this kind of money for one car I'd get the one that also makes me feel like a million bucks on local roads as well and the Corvette is just too damn ugly both inside and out. I think I'd almost be embarrassed to be seen with it in some cases (The C7 is much more attractive). The reliability aspect on track probably doesn't ever affect me though - I have no ability to push a car like that till it blows.

FWIW, last week I put a deposit down for a Boxster GTS 4.0 so I've made my call on how to spend close to this kind of money (now I have to actually find the money if I get an allocation).

[trollface]

I put a $500 deposit down on a Veyron

[teggy604]

I can see the customer buy one of these. Go for a spirit drive on S2S hwy. Get pulled over by police, because some Karen didn't enjoy a v8 singing a song. Or worst get your car impounded for going 40km/h over which is super easy when you mash the skinny pedal.

[JDMDreams]

This is the actual corvette I would consider buying. I actually specced one on the site a few weeks ago and it was only $85000. Remember when the gtr was supposed to be the everyday man's Ferrari beater and now they are $200k? :okay:

Also this doesn't make me feel like a boomer in shorts and new balance when I look at it. I actually like the design and interior doesn't look like plastic crap inside. Used c63s sells for this money. Sounds like a hell of a deal for a v8 drop top mid engine car. Aren't golf r and type r close to $60k now a days. And I will trust this over a turbo BMW anyday.

Aren't ls motors supposedly cheap American work horses? Not sure about the c8 motors. But since it's na there's less shit to break.

[Badhobz]

if i actually gave 2 shits about performance and trackability id for sure buy one. but im not one of those guys who tracks cars, and thats why i have no intention of getting anything remotely hardcore. at 100k this thing is a downright bargain for people who track.

[Traum]

First of all, congrats on putting the deposit down for that BGTS 4.0! You already know you'll enjoy the car. Hopefully it'll come soon enough within 12 - 24 months. In the mean time, keep staring at that options list and agonize over what you'd want to add to your build LOL~

I'd also say that you shouldn't count yourself short on how much potential you have with your driving! For the most part, I think most car enthusiasts have the capacity to drive a sports car at a brisk enough pace on track to thoroughly enjoy themselves. Usually, most novice drivers I coach at Mission can do exactly just that over the course of 1 - 3 track days (that isn't spread over too long of a break). And then if you keep going at it, they'll be able to comfortably squeeze a good amount of what their cars are capable of.

Hope to see you in the BGTS on track soon enough~! (Maybe or maybe not at Mission, even though I still think it is a fun and easily accessible track.)
Any car in this price range has performance that vastly exceeds my current and potential talent level on a track so if I could only spend this kind of money for one car I'd get the one that also makes me feel like a million bucks on local roads as well and the Corvette is just damn ugly both inside and out. I think I'd almost be embarrassed to be seen with it in some cases (The C7 is much more attractive). The reliability aspect on track probably doesn't ever affect me though - I have no ability to push a car like that till it blows.

FWIW, last week I put a deposit down for a Boxster GTS 4.0 so I've made my call on how to spend close to this kind of money (now I have to actually find the money if I get an allocation).

[donk.]

I can see the customer buy one of these. Go for a spirit drive on S2S hwy. Get pulled over by police, because some Karen didn't enjoy a v8 singing a song. Or worst get your car impounded for going 40km/h over which is super easy when you mash the skinny pedal.

Can confirm, Corvettes in general are a red flag on the road....
I only had mine for 4 months, an 07, got pulled over 3 times, that was a record for me.....

As someone else said on this forum years ago, having a car with that kind of power is almost "not fun" to drive in the city.
it's kind of like buying meth, you know you should not buy another one, but in the back on your head, you will anyways
Your in first gear, and your already at 60kmh by feathering the gas :fullofwin:

Anyone that has a chance to own a supercar, do it. Do it. Do. It.
Make sure to post pics for all the plebs on this forum :okay:

[EvoFire]

Watched both videos, sounds utterly amazing.

I don't like the looks though.

This is the actual corvette I would consider buying. I actually specced one on the site a few weeks ago and it was only $85000. Remember when the gtr was supposed to be the everyday man's Ferrari beater and now they are $200k? :okay:

Also this doesn't make me feel like a boomer in shorts and new balance when I look at it. I actually like the design and interior doesn't look like plastic crap inside. Used c63s sells for this money. Sounds like a hell of a deal for a v8 drop top mid engine car. Aren't golf r and type r close to $60k now a days. And I will trust this over a turbo BMW anyday.

Aren't ls motors supposedly cheap American work horses? Not sure about the c8 motors. But since it's na there's less shit to break.

You aren't speccing a Z06 then.

[dark0821]

No question, that sound...

Badhobz took the words out of my mouth. After wathcing the vids, before looking at the comments, I told my wife the same words "damn, this sounds more Ferrari than the current Ferraris"

Unfortunately I also fall under that if I have the money, I would not buy category. To sound like a broken record, the looks just doenst do it at all for me. I agree 100% the C7 looked way way way better.

I am getting old though, I am 100% in the GT3 Touring camp, I dont want the big wing and outlandish crazy aero. I still want the "crazy aero" but very subtly that only the people in the know will know. Otherwise I just want to blend the GT3 in the sea of 911...

Haha I make it sound like I have 550K to drop on a GT3 (not the RS, just the GT3), Porsche vancouver has another "used" 992 GT3 asking 399K + taxes and fees

Now.... talk me out of trying to find a manual 360 Modena, are those still the sweet spot in term of reliability, maintenance, insurance and sound? (one again, I am dreaming of actually being able to afford one)

[Badhobz]

a lot of people, like my wife, wouldn't spend 100k+ on a brand that doesn't have the clout to carry that 100k price tag.

people dont care if it performs like a dream, sounds like god singing, or rev's to 8600rpm. its a chevy... a 100k chevy. at 100k it better be at least german, or near exotic.

[twitchyzero]

that’s what makes it even more appealing

surprised reviewers find the zr1 1le more hardcore

[Badhobz]

i think its only for us crazy motherfuckers.
its like if you buy a nautica shirt for 1000 dollars. or if you were buy a kirkland jacket for 1000 bucks that doesnt have a dead dinosaur logo on the breast.

[Traum]

I actually love the front end of the C8. But I can't get over how big, ugly, and seemingly unnecessary its butt is. And most important of all, it doesn't seem to offer the same degree of track use reliability that I need / expect out of a car that I would use, and that is the deal breaker for me. Otherwise, I'd love to have one in my garage. Whether GM has the "clout" to sell a $100k car is irrelevant to me.
a lot of people, like my wife, wouldn't spend 100k+ on a brand that doesn't have the clout to carry that 100k price tag.

people dont care if it performs like a dream, sounds like god singing, or rev's to 8600rpm. its a chevy... a 100k chevy. at 100k it better be at least german, or near exotic.

[Dbone]

I agree, the front looks good, but the last third of the car looks just wrong... and obviously they had to do that so it could still hold golf clubs.

Corvette is known enough in NA to carry a six digit price tag. It's a multi-Le Mans (GT) winner, and has a history that goes back generations.

Still... buying it in that red makes it seem like you really wanted a Ferrari but had to settle for something domestic.

[trollface]

You get Ferarri performance with none of the maintence price tag, let's be real.

You can actually not feel guilty flogging this thing.

[JDMDreams]

^^ more than you can afford pal Ferrari.:lawl::awwyeah:

If you have Ferrari money you're not gonna buy a Corvette. This is for poor working men. :okay:

[Hondaracer]

Spending 100k on a Porsche that’s barely a Porsche, or you spend 100k for a vette that outperforms exotics quadruple the price lol

Really depends on what you’re looking for. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy a C8 Z06 If they could be had at retail. It’s no different than a viper etc. you know what you’re getting. This will pretty clearly be some of the top quality GM has ever put into a car with the bespoke engine, finishings, etc. you’ll always have the detractors of a domestic super car but it’s hard to argue with the performance

Personally I think the C8 looks great

[underscore]

a lot of people, like my wife, wouldn't spend 100k+ on a brand that doesn't have the clout to carry that 100k price tag.

people dont care if it performs like a dream, sounds like god singing, or rev's to 8600rpm. its a chevy... a 100k chevy. at 100k it better be at least german, or near exotic.

What can you get that's near exotic for 100k these days?

[Badhobz]

brand new? not much except maybe the porsche's, lotus, and alfa romeo gulia quadrafapfapfapfaplio <- only because it has the ferrari built v6.

used i can think of some
like old maserati's, older porsches, some merc's like the AMG GT, etc

[underscore]

For a fair comparison I'd say brand new. It looks like a base 911 starts at $115k. The Emira starts at $120k. The Giulia Quadrifoglio starts at $95k but it's a sedan. Meanwhile the regular Corvette starts at $75k. And anything really exotic is just stupid these days.

[EvoFire]

A loaded bucktooth M3 is well into 100 territory out the door.
A base Cayman/Boxster is 100 out the door with a few options and nowhere near Corvette performance
A Zupra is getting close to 100, but nowhere near Corvette performance.

It's an exercise I've done a few times. What do I do if I got rid of the M3. There's nothing really at a price point I can afford that would replace my car.

But yeah, I can't get over how it looks. It's so frumpy at all angles. The Z06 looks a little like the NSX from the front, but then the NSX still looks better.

[Badhobz]

it cant be 100k on the dot.. in and around 100k is more reasonable. there are some choices.

[bcrdukes]

The Z06 looks a little like the NSX from the front, but then the NSX still looks better.

I often mistake the Z06 as the NSX from afar when I see them on the road, and upon getting close to it, it's like, "Oh, Corvette." :okay:

[68style]

Me too, it's not an attractive car in person just my opinion

[dark0821]

I dont really care for the clout or the 100K price tag.

Lets be real, the Z06 is 150k, its like $120K + fees and taxes, even if you can get at MSRP, out the door will be 150K, still cheaper than the R35 though =D

And I think 120K is "cheap" for what you are getting, very good bang for the buck sort to speak.

2 knocks against it to be honest if I do become rich enough to get one...

the looks, I have to disagree and say I even mind the front end as well, the back end no one likes, but even the front doesnt do anything for me....

the lack for the manual option (I know I know)... I actually drive manual in 9 to 5 traffic from Metrotown to Richmond Auto Mall, I don't mind it at all. I have an auto family car, for my toy, it has to be manual. I am not chasing the 0-62, nor the 5 seconds on track... to me it must have the "full experience" and manual transmission with good pedals placements is a huge part of it.

[twitchyzero]

front looks like burton-era joker and rear looks like parts bin camaro but who cares if it screams like that from behind the seats

i also think the wider track with the big air intake will look good

https://www.corvetteblogger.com/images/content/2021-2/111021_1b.jpg

[Hondaracer]

There is a woman on instagram I see occasionally pop up, she got one of the first 2023 Z06 in that funky blue

Just ran a 10.5 quarter yesterday in it, completely stock

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

lol my ass its gonna be 100k... its gonna be closer to 200k+ after everything. dealers gonna mark that shit up like crazy.

cant even get a base c8 for 100k. they're going for like 150-175k right now.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

...flourecent yellow z07 package with carbon fibre wheels... i'd still buy. LOL

[68style]

I love the car for what it is, but geez if you’re on any C8 Corvette groups on FB there are a lottttttt of problems… soooooo many.

[supafamous]

https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/the-2023-corvette-z06-starts-well-above-six-figures-in-canada

Let's get on the same page on Canadian MSRP cause I see a lot of numbers thrown around:

Pricing opens at $128,198 for the base-level 1LZ coupe; $138,198 for the 2LZ coupe; and $144,198 for the 3LZ coupe. Convertible versions of all three trims are also available for an additional $9,000 each, and all prices include the $2,298 destination freight charge.

GM is also offering a number of packages with the Z06, including a Carbon Aero Package that adds a Z07 splitter, rockers, dive planes up front, and a spoiler out back, all finished in either Visible Carbon Fibre for $12,065; or Carbon Flash-Painted for $9,765.

The Z07 Performance Package ($10,344) builds on the Carbon Aero Package with FE7 suspension, Brembo carbon-ceramic brakes, track-ready Michelin Pilot Cup 2R ZP tires, and underbody strakes to improve aerodynamics. And finally there’s the option for carbon-fibre wheels that cut a total of 18.6 kg (41 lbs) from the car’s weight and can be ordered in Visible Carbon Fibre for $13,794; or Carbon Flash-Painted for $11,494.

By our calculations, that gives the most elevated version of the 2023 Z06 a price of $172,930 excluding taxes.


For comparison (base config MSRP):

GT4: ~$122k
911S: ~$140k
911GTS: ~$158k
GT3: ~$190k (this price is merely a suggestion)
R8: ~$178k
GT-R: ~$130k

The Z06 is an absolute bargain but it sure is an ugly bargain.

[trollface]

Golf R. 46k

[teggy604]

front looks like burton-era joker and rear looks like parts bin camaro but who cares if it screams like that from behind the seats

i also think the wider track with the big air intake will look good

https://www.corvetteblogger.com/images/content/2021-2/111021_1b.jpg

You can badge this Acura NSX, and I wouldn't know the difference.

Personally, if I can buy this engine and stuff it into a NA1/2 Chasis that would be awesome.

[JoshuaWong]

You can badge this Acura NSX, and I wouldn't know the difference.

Personally, if I can buy this engine and stuff it into a NA1/2 Chasis that would be awesome.

Totally agreed on the engine swap, or that K48 Neutron engine as well...

[HonestTea]

Any car in this price range has performance that vastly exceeds my current and potential talent level on a track so if I could only spend this kind of money for one car I'd get the one that also makes me feel like a million bucks on local roads as well and the Corvette is just too damn ugly both inside and out. I think I'd almost be embarrassed to be seen with it in some cases (The C7 is much more attractive). The reliability aspect on track probably doesn't ever affect me though - I have no ability to push a car like that till it blows.

FWIW, last week I put a deposit down for a Boxster GTS 4.0 so I've made my call on how to spend close to this kind of money (now I have to actually find the money if I get an allocation).

Congrats! Any particular reason you chose a Boxster over the Cayman?

How much was the deposit and when are they expected to deliver?

[supafamous]

Congrats! Any particular reason you chose a Boxster over the Cayman?

How much was the deposit and when are they expected to deliver?

Wife and I both prefer drop tops - I actually LOVE drop tops - and I'm ok if that limits my track day options. I found visibility of the Boxster top up was very good (it was terrible in my NC Miata) so that wasn't a concern.

Deposit is $2500 (refundable) and only secures me a spot on the list but doesn't secure me a promise of an allocation. Sales guy said I'm likely looking at 18 months minimum which is fine by me as I wasn't going to buy until 2024-2025 (won't really have the money for at least another year) but with production wrapping up soon and the waitlist being this long I felt I had to at least be on the list.

If a slot opens up earlier I'll figure something out - I could lease/finance it but I really want to pay in cash for the whole thing.

[Traum]

If a slot opens up earlier I'll figure something out - I could lease/finance it but I really want to pay in cash for the whole thing.
Depending on what the interest rates are and how the federal luxury car tax gets applied, it might be viable to lease the car to start, and only buy it out once the residual value drops below the $100k or $125k mark. Bear in mind that the (dealership) PST rate on cars in the $57k - $125k range is 10%, while the PST rate jumps to 15% for cars in the $125k - $150k range, and 20% for cars in the $150k+ category.

Before the federal luxury car tax came into play, I did some hypothetical calculations on a $75k-ish lease. If you rig the numbers right, in theory at least, the tax savings from buying out the car with the lowered residual value can make it cheaper than the total amount of interest you pay on the lease. And then there is the extra benefit of you being able to defer the lump sum payment for however long you lease the car before buying it out.

[supafamous]

Depending on what the interest rates are and how the federal luxury car tax gets applied, it might be viable to lease the car to start, and only buy it out once the residual value drops below the $100k or $125k mark. Bear in mind that the (dealership) PST rate on cars in the $57k - $125k range is 10%, while the PST rate jumps to 15% for cars in the $125k - $150k range, and 20% for cars in the $150k+ category.

Before the federal luxury car tax came into play, I did some hypothetical calculations on a $75k-ish lease. If you rig the numbers right, in theory at least, the tax savings from buying out the car with the lowered residual value can make it cheaper than the total amount of interest you pay on the lease. And then there is the extra benefit of you being able to defer the lump sum payment for however long you lease the car before buying it out.

Me explaining all of this to my wife:

https://i.imgflip.com/6vvu7c.jpg

The luxury tax sure hits hard above $125k - my generously equipped proposed build's MSRP came out to $130k and there was $40k in taxes on top of that. My real build will be a lot less - I think I'd land, in current dollars, around $118k or so which would knock the taxes down by about $15-18k I think but if I do go over leasing might be a nice way to get around the hit about $125k. Thanks for the tip!

[fsy82]

There is a woman on instagram I see occasionally pop up, she got one of the first 2023 Z06 in that funky blue

Just ran a 10.5 quarter yesterday in it, completely stock

Emelia Hartford did this with the z07 packaage

https://youtu.be/Reyl1WbF5zQ

[donk.]

She put her foot down in an automatic?

[AzNightmare]

So honestly, are any of these kind of high powered cars even fun to drive outside of the track?

I've never driven anything close to the power of cars like these, but I've always imagined they would be too fast for the streets to enjoy. So you either buy them for track or for status...?

[trollface]

^ uh... yes

[bcrdukes]

So honestly, are any of these kind of high powered cars even fun to drive outside of the track?

I've never driven anything close to the power of cars like these, but I've always imagined they would be too fast for the streets to enjoy. So you either buy them for track or for status...?

^ uh... yes

I don't think it's a simple yes or no answer, but if we really need to simplify, the answer is yes in the context of being in the city only.

When I had my E36 M3, it was a civilized performance vehicle that was fun to drive on the street in the city and a lot of fun on the highway and on back country roads. But when I got my 996, it kind of sucked because you were stuck in stop-and-go traffic and you'd be doing 60km/h in the city while trying to avoid getting busted by VPD etc.

After taking my Boxster out to the track, I still wonder why I even bother driving it in the city because 1. same reasons as 996 but obviously lower power and 2. I learned to appreciate the Boxster's capabilities on the track because at that point,, it's more the driver than the car and I haven't learned to take it to the limit and that's where the fun comes in.

On the flip side, when I take my Ducati Monster out for a ride, I'm riding around in 2nd gear all day and wondering why I even have this thing because I can't go beyond the speed limit without attracting too much attention while trying to survive.

[Badhobz]

thats why convertibles are entertaining. when youre puttering around the city, you still feel immersed in your environment. Almost motorcycle like (i miss my chopppaaahhh)

[trollface]

I'd rather to stuck in traffic in a 911 than a Camry, let's put it that way.

[Badhobz]

not me, i love cheapy cars in the city. you dont have to worry about them, i dont care if it gets dinged, and i usually just want to drive the piss out of them for ha ha's.

a expensive car in the city im always trying to dodge potholes, parking, cops, etc

camry/ratrolla are the best in the city.

[bcrdukes]

I'd rather to stuck in traffic in a 911 than a Camry, let's put it that way.

A modern 911, yes. An aircooled 911? No. Camry would win. Especially the newer ones. I welcome you to join me to be stuck in rush hour traffic here in Toronto since you're a glutton for punishment. :D

[trollface]

Where are you guys driving that a modern car would get wrecked by potholes?

This is Vancouver we're talking bout right?

[Badhobz]

wow i just looked at lexus.ca and it seems like the rates have gone up even more. Jesus im so glad i bought in before the 10% luxury tax

2500 bucks a month now vs 2400 last few months
https://i.postimg.cc/d1z6LrzV/Capture.jpg

[bcrdukes]

Yes, Lexus' rate shot up quite a bit. Brutal.

[Traum]

It's a bit of a loaded question, and as Badhobz as alluded to, there is a sense of liberation when you are driving a beater because you don't really care if little things happen to it, and you can beat on the car all day.

On the other hand, high powered cars are a ton of fun to drive when the opportunity presents itself. Stuck behind an idiot doing 40 when everyone else is going at 60+? (or doing 80 when everyone else is doing 100+?) You see an opening? You just squeeze the throttle and you're out of the detention cell -- assuming there isn't a cop nearby. An 18 wheeler doesn't see you when it is changing / merging lanes? A high powered car can get you out of trouble in the blink of an eye. It opens up more options for your driving.

And then there is the generalization that these high powered cars generally have far better chassis than your regular cars, and offer much higher grip levels. (Unless you're in a hemi-powered Chrysler of some sort LOL~) That solid granite block feeling is so much better than driving the pile of wet noodles that I daily in. On ramps are fun in a good handling, high grip car. You can make any car stick better by throwing a set of high performance summer tires on it, but the feeling just isn't the same.

And then you give yourself excuses to drive the S2S / Duffy Loop, Hwy 3, or get yourself out to the track so that you can enjoy the car's best traits in a more suitable environment LOL~
So honestly, are any of these kind of high powered cars even fun to drive outside of the track?

I've never driven anything close to the power of cars like these, but I've always imagined they would be too fast for the streets to enjoy. So you either buy them for track or for status...?

[Badhobz]

Where are you guys driving that a modern car would get wrecked by potholes?

This is Vancouver we're talking bout right?

Venables from Clarke to downtown is a land mine infested shit hole.
Victoria from Broadway to 1st avenue wrecks my fillings.
West Georgia in general anywhere past Seymour down to the viaduct.
Bute st.
Clarke/knight on the inside lane where semis drive.
Granville on the inside / middle lane. Sucks both southbound and northbound.
Marine drive on the outer lane from Arthur Lang to Cambie going east.
Marine drive in general from Vic to Arthur Lang.

Vancouver roads are absolutely dog shit compared to Richmond roads.

[teggy604]

Other day I saw a Ferrari and Lambo driving in gas town. They literally were holding up traffic, going snail pace around man holes and loose bricks. But I bet they were thinking "This is so fun, we should loop around and do it again!" Lol.

[underscore]

So honestly, are any of these kind of high powered cars even fun to drive outside of the track?

I've never driven anything close to the power of cars like these, but I've always imagined they would be too fast for the streets to enjoy. So you either buy them for track or for status...?

I wonder the same about a lot of the newer stuff. I got to drive a 488 GTB and a Huracan for a few laps around Pacific Raceway in Seattle and going slowly around the first corner to let another car get ahead was still at 50mph and it felt like I was in a school zone. When I was actually pushing it a bit (probably a fraction of what the car is really capable of) and it felt exciting you were way beyond the speed you'd be able to take the car on the street. Unless you're on a road with really good visibility around corners you can only go so fast because if it's a bit blind and there's another car or an animal or a rock or whatever hiding around that corner you're going to crash into it if you're actually pushing the car at all. And if a cop sees you you're getting impounded.

Granted the cars were in the safest street mode and I only got to drive them for a couple laps each. But I can't imagine actually having much fun with them on the street. Then of course if it's only really for the track neither of those cars are a good choice. I'd rather buy something like that crazy thing lowside67 has

[supafamous]

I'd argue that there are very few cars slow enough now to have fun on the street - even a GTI is wicked fast compared to something 15 years ago and a ND Miata is pretty fast too. The fastest cars I've driven are a 992S and a 781 Boxster GTS and it's impossible to stretch them out on public roads properly but they are still so brilliantly engaging at any speed b/c of how well made they are. It's not as fun as a ND Miata on public roads in the purest sense but it was still fun in it's own way.

Unlike exotics though, I didn't feel I needed to baby either Porsche, they weren't so fancy that I was tip toeing around pot holes, speed bumps and curbs. I would imagine exotics are PITAs to drive around locally because of that.

[G0rilla]

not me, i love cheapy cars in the city. you dont have to worry about them, i dont care if it gets dinged, and i usually just want to drive the piss out of them for ha ha's.

a expensive car in the city im always trying to dodge potholes, parking, cops, etc

camry/ratrolla are the best in the city.

Agreed, Fit is my DD, enough creature comforts to get by and sips gas. Cost me $60 to fillup even with $2.34L and gets me 450km. GT4 is my weekender, and the only time you can actually enjoy it is at 5am S2S on a Sunday.

Half the time I'm angling in and out of parking lots, bottoming out, dodging potholes, rock debris from construction. I know I know, first world problems

[Manic!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MzH7Alj0QU

[EvoFire]

I just enjoy knowing the fact that I have 400hp+ when I need it. If I really want to get around that Yaris I can. Not nearly as easy in the family SUV.

Objectively speaking, you don't need more than 200hp around town. Subjectively, 350hp is where I would like to be.

[twitchyzero]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VubZhNE8co

c5 and c6 still iconic

[supafamous]

I just enjoy knowing the fact that I have 400hp+ when I need it. If I really want to get around that Yaris I can. Not nearly as easy in the family SUV.

Objectively speaking, you don't need more than 200hp around town. Subjectively, 350hp is where I would like to be.

C'mon, you and I both know that it's always a Lexus ES or RX that's in the way.

[EvoFire]

C'mon, you and I both know that it's always a Lexus ES or RX that's in the way.

Or some ratrolla

[AzNightmare]

I'd rather to stuck in traffic in a 911 than a Camry, let's put it that way.

The nature of my question wasn't comparing a Camry with a 911. But more like a Golf R or CTR, etc. vs a Huracan or some other supercar.

Doing quick pulls here and there when the traffic opens up is fun in a 300hp car. But when it's a 600hp car, is it maybe too excessive that it actually becomes kind of dangerous?


I just enjoy knowing the fact that I have 400hp+ when I need it. If I really want to get around that Yaris I can. Not nearly as easy in the family SUV.

Objectively speaking, you don't need more than 200hp around town. Subjectively, 350hp is where I would like to be.

lol, even 200hp is more than enough. I tend to drive quite briskly in general. When the traffic is low in the evening, I'm easily passing everyone in a 155hp Mazda3. It's the driver, not the car. I find people just drive really slow in general.

[bcrdukes]

What is slow? Legal speed limits?

[teggy604]

^^ hwy 1 slow lane going 90km/h and still getting passed by people in the slow lane.

[Traum]

Doing quick pulls here and there when the traffic opens up is fun in a 300hp car. But when it's a 600hp car, is it maybe too excessive that it actually becomes kind of dangerous?

600hp+ is definitely excessive. One time when I had the opportunity to instruct in a C7 Z06 (650hp / 650 tq) at Mission, I was just maintaining pace / carrying speed thru T8, and very gradually rolled on the throttle when T9 opened up. Holy mother of god!!! The car just catapulted us to 150 km/h+ effortlessly in the blink of an eye. And while I was accelerating with the tiniest amount of steering input -- ie. my steering wheel wasn't completely straight yet -- I felt the backend of the car having a twitch. It was a little unnerving, and instinct of course just kicked in -- I eased up on the steering and the car settled back down, and we continued our merry way down the front straight.

My first conherent thought after getting over the initial WHOA was -- the car was unnecessarily fast / powerful. And if I were thinking that, then I can't imagine how a person with minimal high performance driver training can possibly tame and control a high powered beast like the C7 Z06.

[AzNightmare]

What is slow? Legal speed limits?

lol, I did say I drive briskly. :badpokerface:

For starters, just lack of situational awareness, slow reaction to lights or traffic changes, unncessarily slow acceleration, slowing down a lot just to take a slight bend on the road, or to make a right turn, etc.