[SkinnyPupp]

We've been talking about this in the off topic thread, but more hilarious news keeps happening so it probably deserves its own thread.

Elon is going on a banning spree for a couple days, first the person who tracks his jet that last month he said he would never ban, got banned. And now whoever in the press covers his.. whatever... is getting banned

https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/1603555354251776001

I'll post this old tweet of his for no reason

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1518623997054918657

I will update this thread, not because I care about twitter or follow all this stuff, but I see it all the time and I think it's hilarious.

[yray]

what's gonna happen to my fob porn

[Teriyaki]

what's gonna happen to my fob porn

People use twitter for pronz?

Actually. People use twitter? :badpokerface:

[Bouncing Bettys]

Probably has something to do with this:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603235998263123969

Don't fuck with a billionaire's kid I guess. Don't dox people.


Edit: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603591994244071424

[SkinnyPupp]

ELON IS LITERALLY DOXING IN THAT TWEET EleGiggle

[inv4zn]

Probably has something to do with this:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603235998263123969

Don't fuck with a billionaire's kid I guess. Don't dox people.


So another guy asked LAPD if they are aware, and they said "no crime reports have been filed". He shared that on Twitter, and got suspended.

https://i.redd.it/vtix69xe876a1.png

[Manic!]

https://mirror.archiveddit.com/reddit/post/37387

[N.V.M.]

you spelled Revscene wrong.

[Badhobz]

this guy can burn through 44 billion faster than my wife could/would. props Elon, you batshit crazy idiot

he went from a visionary to a lunatic and now anything associated with him is taking a beating on their stock prices. Sooner or later those weird nerds that defend him will have to concede he's a complete nutjob.

[unit]

'free speech absolutist'

don't get me wrong i don't think free speech absolutism is a good thing, but if you're going to call yourself that then don't be a hypocrite.

[StylinRed]

I was giving him the benefit of doubt at first, but yeah guess he's just another nut whose money went to their heads

[sonick]

A slightly different take on twitter, tbh the fact it's still running is pretty surprising. From a business and tech operational standpoint I think the worst of it is over, and there is a very real possibility he can now turn it around and start rebuilding his version of twitter.

Elon Musk, Management Guru? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/16/technology/elon-musk-management-style.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC EIPuonUktbfqYhlSlUaBSbJUNMnqBqCgvfeh7E4gXm7KTWOSnN HxuIcDIWF9kHRILF_dt8-mTSHQdsLeJkeeMtP9M4NdUp8V1vv5ZKehJUOJyhypIy6Azs4hZ iIUbtp_3q3YGOwbbcuyeD6sULXbjXgW_Tf1yciNx8l9cU-DSyi0HEJwq3PFuBniJIpjbp6WMcMFXpXbzKKvvLoFx1-JN2CCxnZ4QEzUOxcMirByZ_es_lTNVUPVi-VCS938m0-69hDONgIPq-ZLxAoeMT2hLR5GXWj-NA94MvX7RuCn2rQM6qF

The social/public relations aspect of it is an entire different story, if people and advertisers will stay on twitter once this insanity is normalized.

[68style]

Now College Football might be his undoing? LOL

All the college football nuts are up in arms because they use flight tracking sources to track the movements of college football coaches and it's some massive hobby apparently? Twitter is blocking all posts that "doxx" people ergo they can't post about their favourite hobby lol

[underscore]

I know Americans have a truly ridiculous (read: stupid) level of obsession with football, but tracking the movements of college coaches as a hobby is a new level of weird. As we discussed in the other thread I know there's nothing to do in large sections of the country but come on.

[twitchyzero]

watching the dumpster fire is entertaining

but i find tracking someone's plane creepy if they're not a head of state

[unit]

it is public information though, so even if it's creepy it's not in any way illegal.
the only reason the account became banned was because it was elon's jet. if it were for anyone else then this would never have become a problem.
free speech for me but not for thee.

[BaoTurbo]

I know he's the owner and all but I wonder what kind of recourse he's going to receive if he keeps going on like this haha.

Someone want to make a new Twitter and make tons of money? Twitter 2.0 Real Free Speech :troll:

[Badhobz]

https://y.yarn.co/fc0d6f89-345b-4e3b-b30c-3a9a6c7bd963_text.gif

[unit]

I know he's the owner and all but I wonder what kind of recourse he's going to receive if he keeps going on like this haha.

Someone want to make a new Twitter and make tons of money? Twitter 2.0 Real Free Speech :troll:

they already have that with 'truth social', but then they just police left wing tweets instead. also eventually they realized they couldnt be truly free speech anyway because their web hosting services threatened to cut them off, and app stores like google play or apple's app store are constantly threatening to delist their app if they don't have any moderation that is consistent with their own values

[mikemhg]

This guy is speed running the total destruction of his goodwill and reputation faster then Kayne :lol

[Gumby]

Wonder what all the other billionaires are saying behind closed doors about Elon Musk... :lol

[The Producer]

elon's tesla stock selloff in progress.

bagholders going to be: :QQ:

me: :ilied:

[twitchyzero]

it is public information though, so even if it's creepy it's not in any way illegal.
the only reason the account became banned was because it was elon's jet.

honestly they should ban all non-commercial flight tracking
just keep justin trudeau's :lol

[Manic!]

https://i.redd.it/bvt66cd4pd6a1.jpg

Twitter is like an out-of-warranty BMW bought by a cheap guy who won't do regular
maintenance and only buys regular gas. It's not going to break down right away but it will break down.

[Hehe]

The parameter I take is always “how I’d like it?”

Will I be happy for someone to always track my movements 24/7 if I were a famous person? Heck no.

I think real time tracking is just creepy to say the least. And even the hottest chick I know wouldn’t be a person I want to follow her moves 24/7.

However, I do understand that some might have an interest in that kind of information, however fucked up it might be. I propose a delay to the info feed across the board. There should be a 12hr delay for tracking of any person or info that points to a particular person. And really, that should be the law. Digital tracking is no different than stalking. And if stalking is illegal, I can’t see how digital tracking is any different.

[StylinRed]

Except they're not tracking the person, it's the private jet

Said individuals could take other forms of transport without being tracked

[unit]

thing is elon would never be interested in this stuff if it wasn't his own personal jet.
if someone was tracking someone he didn't like, he would be making memes about it

[twitchyzero]

for sure, in so many ways he's actually worse than trump and kanye when it comes to ego

still dont understand why that type of info is public though, what use could someone outside of air traffic/search and rescue would actually have for it besides malicious intent?

[Hondaracer]

Aviation geeks are a huge community.

You can sign up for flight radar etc. and track almost any plane. People do it for plane spotting etc.

[TOS'd]

for sure, in so many ways he's actually worse than trump and kanye when it comes to ego

still dont understand why that type of info is public though, what use could someone outside of air traffic/search and rescue would actually have for it besides malicious intent?

One example: If I am supposed to pick someone up from the airport on an incoming flight, and there was a delay while in the air (bad weather, diverted to alternate airport, circling because runway is too busy, etc.) and they don't have wifi to communicate this delay to me, I will see the updated estimated arrival time so I can better time when to leave for the airport.

[Hondaracer]

^ that info can be found anywhere though. You go to the carriers website and you’ll have an updated arrival time. That’s not the info these people want

The upgraded trackers are tracking specific planes, specific call signs. Mostly for unique liveries etc. but also for planes which get diverted, unique models, etc.

[MarkyMark]

Why doesn't Elon buy 10 private jets, get them all to leave one after another to different locations and then no one will truly know where he's going. It's gross that he's rich enough to do that but seems like better use of his money than buying Twitter.

[Hondaracer]

I’m sure he could and just under various numbered companies where no one would ever know who’s in them so I don’t really get the whole deal with tracking this one.

It’s not like you’d ever figure out who was flying them either because PJ’s always check in to private facilities like Millionair in Vancouver so outside of an employee there reporting when Elon arrived you can maintain pretty good anonymity

[whitev70r]

How the hell do you actually track someone's flight ??!! Are flight manifests/passenger names public information in real-time?

While I think it is petty of Musk to ban that college kid ... I agree that you should not be able to track someone's flight. I mean the stalking can be so effed up.

[sonick]

How the hell do you actually track someone's flight ??!! Are flight manifests/passenger names public information in real-time?

While I think it is petty of Musk to ban that college kid ... I agree that you should not be able to track someone's flight. I mean the stalking can be so effed up.

He was tracking his private plane not the person.

[JDMDreams]

I never used twitter or got the point of it. Just a bunch of boomers trying to internet or companies doing their pr advertising. I don't know of anyone who actively would follow or use Twitter. :pokerface:

And yea besides war, was this the biggest burn of money ever? For 45 billion couldn't he solve world hunger like he said a while back, clone dinosaurs, make Jurassic park? Cure cancer? Just saying there's a lot more productive, fun things you can do for that much money.

[unit]

if you don't use it then why do you think its just boomers and corporations? you'd be wrong there..

[Hondaracer]

Well it’s not like the newest worlds richest man is any better lol

If you want to look at misspent money that could be doing better elsewhere, he’s kind of the all-time poster boy along with his consumers

[SkinnyPupp]

I never used twitter or got the point of it. Just a bunch of boomers trying to internet or companies doing their pr advertising. I don't know of anyone who actively would follow or use Twitter. :pokerface:

And yea besides war, was this the biggest burn of money ever? For 45 billion couldn't he solve world hunger like he said a while back, clone dinosaurs, make Jurassic park? Cure cancer? Just saying there's a lot more productive, fun things you can do for that much money.
You don't own the libs by doing things they want, like helping others. You burn your car company to the ground by fighting with trolls online.

[donk.]

The car company was never worth 400$, and it's not worth 150$ today

Once it hits 70$ will be more reasonable, 40$ will be real value

People are buying Elon, not Tesla, and a doubled money supply helped with that temporarily for 2 years

[inv4zn]

People are buying Elon, not Tesla, and a doubled money supply helped with that temporarily for 2 years

TBF, he hid his lunacy pretty well until about a year ago.

[SkinnyPupp]

TBF, he hid his lunacy pretty well until about a year ago.
I may be wrong, but it seemed to happen before our eyes on that first Joe Rogan appearance. Or maybe it was the Thailand cave thing where he called someone a pedo because they didn't want to use his idea to save the kids.

[SkinnyPupp]

Here he goes again

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1604357408754630658

Reposting this again for no particular reason

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1518623997054918657

[underscore]

It hasn't been hidden for much longer than that, the cave thing in 2018 was the first one I remember hearing about but I don't follow the guy at all. If you look back though there's been tons of stuff over the years, it just gets more publicity now.

[SkinnyPupp]

Trying to get the FTC to step in?

https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/1604531261791522817

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkRy6JmXgAIczju.jpg

Edit: this is a good one

https://twitter.com/ShadowTodd/status/1604539160022241280

[Manic!]

Musk and Jarrod kushner at the world cup finals together.

https://www.google.com/search?q=musk.world+cup&client=ms-android-bell-ca-revc&prmd=niv&sxsrf=ALiCzsYXHUqm4a8h8jiCCp1InpSnHH1pPQ:167140652 2128&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj3_prAqoT8AhWNIDQIHbUfD0sQ_AUoAnoECAIQA g&biw=412&bih=777&dpr=2.63#imgrc=zIZTGp2v3EPfcM

Also musk is looking for more investors at the original share price of $54.20.

[SkinnyPupp]

Please stay Elon! This is too entertaining, everyone go vote no!

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604617643973124097

He then posted

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604623424164282368

He really is about to shut down twitter LOL

[donk.]

Why do I feel like he is going to make Dogecoin the head of twitter if he steps down

[twitchyzero]

definitely the thailand diver pedo comment then it all went downhill from there

[TOS'd]

Please stay Elon! This is too entertaining, everyone go vote no!

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604617643973124097

He then posted

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604623424164282368

He really is about to shut down twitter LOL
https://twitter.com/iamraisini/status/1604630171205529601

Elon + Jared Kushner @ World Cup
https://twitter.com/velma_fan/status/1604642281738338304

[supafamous]

Elon was there asking the Saudis to chop up some journalists for him.

[SkinnyPupp]

Maybe that guy was there and heard something, and it is plausible that Elon would put up a poll to make it look like he let people make the decision... But look at that dude's replies lol

Also those guys have hundreds of millions invested in Twitter, Elon has $44 billion. I think he has more say than they do

[Manic!]

Leonidas Raisini the one who posted about the Saudi's forcing musk to resign is a tesla investor and says he was there at the world cup.

[Badhobz]

if i was a tech investor, i would have ran the fuck away so fast as soon as i heard elon musk was interested in said company. pretty sure everyone knows that guy is just a giant troll and everything he touches goes to shit.

[SkinnyPupp]

So the people spoke and sadly they want him gone

Expect him to do a new poll where only people paying him can vote

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604985324505030658

Also he's making that major policy change the day after saying this

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604616863673208832

[68style]

I don't have twitter anymore, but is that KimDotcom account that same giant (in size and stature) nerd dude from way back when that used to live in NZ and did the Gumballs and generally acted ridiculous?

[The Producer]

So the people spoke and sadly they want him gone

Expect him to do a new poll where only people paying him can vote

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604985324505030658

Also he's making that major policy change the day after saying this

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604616863673208832

paid subscribers are shareholders now? lol

i feel like a lot of people wouldn't know what to do with themselves if social media turned off tomorrow.

[Badhobz]

So is this idiot stepping down or not ? Clearly the poll wants his ass out.

[The Producer]

he wants out too - but he needs to paint it just right so it's not seen as the abject failure that it absolutely is.

i cannot understand the people that simp for this guy. He's the worst rich guy - and that's tough to be w Bezos around.

just go away

[mikemhg]

At least Bezos keeps his head down generally, for the most part.

A good CEO is someone is barely hear about in the news, hence why Microsoft and Google have such good leaders. Their CEOs know to shut up and do the work, don't bring negativity to the company by spouting any idiotic views in the public.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/shannoncoulter/status/1605301667830042625

[StylinRed]

Bill Gates is partying

[CivicBlues]

https://twitter.com/shannoncoulter/status/1605301667830042625

Bagholder checking in.

Still up personally 22% partially due to the shitty CAD :whistle:

but down from 200+% FeelsBadMan

Guess Schadenfreude for META holders was bad karma.

[Badhobz]

thats the stock market. you win some, you lose some. its basically just gambling.

[CivicBlues]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcmMrTYv9nU

[Badhobz]

Romeo must die!!! One of my favourite movies of all time. Francois yip… so hot.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=Fran%C3%A7oise+Fong-Wa+Yip&client=safari&hl=en-us&prmd=ivn&sxsrf=ALiCzsbS7MkOIelARoobhdbTJq96wAfLMA:167158532 8325&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjrldPNxIn8AhWXBzQIHbWiBYgQ_AUoAXoECAIQA Q&biw=414&bih=716&dpr=2

I still listen to that album in the car.

[SkinnyPupp]

Romeo must die!!! One of my favourite movies of all time. Francois yip… so hot.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=Fran%C3%A7oise+Fong-Wa+Yip&client=safari&hl=en-us&prmd=ivn&sxsrf=ALiCzsbS7MkOIelARoobhdbTJq96wAfLMA:167158532 8325&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjrldPNxIn8AhWXBzQIHbWiBYgQ_AUoAXoECAIQA Q&biw=414&bih=716&dpr=2

I still listen to that album in the car.
I remember her from Rumble in the Bronx. Quite lovely

[GLOW]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcmMrTYv9nU

can't find the clip where he chuckles to himself and says "oh dim sum" in a "oh you" manner...

not PC but freaking hilarious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyyMmSUx1qI

[donk.]

Humor will never be the same :(

At least south park still puts out borderline questionable content

[SkinnyPupp]

Humor will never be the same :(

At least south park still puts out borderline questionable content
Yeah I just posted in the trump thread that political satire no longer exists. Humor itself these days is basically "state a fact, laugh at it"

Partly because the rest of reality is too painful to acknowledge

[Manic!]

https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/20/23519922/george-hotz-geohot-twitter-internship-resigns

George Hotz, known for being the first person to carrier-unlock an iPhone and jailbreaking the PS3, both under his hacker alias “geohot,” has resigned from his Twitter internship, he announced Tuesday evening on Twitter.

“Appreciate the opportunity, but didn’t think there was any real impact I could make there,” he wrote. He also said it was “sad” to see his GitHub “withering.”

Hotz offered to join Twitter on November 16th after voicing support for CEO Elon Musk’s proclamation that the company would need to be “extremely hardcore.” “This is the attitude that builds incredible things,” Hotz, who resigned as CEO of self-driving startup Comma AI in October, said on Twitter. “Let all the people who don’t desire greatness leave.” In response to a tweet mocking him, Hotz said he would “put my money where my mouth is” with a 12-week internship at Twitter in San Francisco. Musk replied “let’s talk.”


He had a twitter spaces with Musk and others and it was pretty bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo_IYpIP9oA

[inv4zn]

Someone nicknamed Musk as "Phony Stark" on Reddit and I think it's perfect lol

[AzNightmare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfiRd4Y5z_g

I had no idea who he was at the time of this movie...
Never heard of him until the Model S started going on sale.

[Manic!]

https://i.redd.it/0lt8ecsch58a1.png

It is slowly falling apart.

[BaoTurbo]

Tesla stocks going down down down...

[haha13]

wonder when musk will get margin called

[donk.]

Why would he get margin called?
I don't follow enough politics / stonks / news

[68style]

I know so little that I don't even know what that means.

[sonick]

Investors borrow money to invest in a particular stock.

If the stock hits a certain low point the lenders will call the investors to pay up cash in order to hold that stock. Which means they'll have to sell the stock or find another way to pay off the lender to hold the position.

Because they borrowed money to buy the stock they can't hold the stock in hopes of it going back up.

[donk.]

Musk bought Tesla on margin?
I sure hope it was when it was 20$ a share or less.

I guess if your a billionaire, the next step is to hit trillionaire, and the only way to do it is to margin your company and then pump dogicoins, rockets, and brain implants in monkeys

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/kenbensinger/status/1608612982921252866

[Badhobz]

Lawl, hilarious to watch this idiot flush away 44billion and take down twitter / Tesla / himself at the same time.

If I was driving a Tesla I better get my list of apologies ready when people start turning on musk in droves. Kinda like supporting / enjoying Harvey Weinstein movies…

[GLOW]

do you think at this point tesla is too mainstream for the torches and pitchforks to turn on the brand?

[Badhobz]

^youre right, its probably too mainstream to be impacted by that idiot, but nevertheless the relation to Musk is tanking the stock and im sure its impacting the brand somewhat.

Although i found it funny that Tesla always labeled itself as a "luxury" automaker. I sat in a few and they for sure don't have anything luxurious about them. Seems more utilitarian and minimalist than luxury.

[inv4zn]

I've sat in 5 different Model 3's for uber, and every single one of them had the most annoying rattle/creak from the seat belt area.

Like I get it, it's fast, and the tech is definitely cool. But anyone who thinks any Tesla is "luxury" is out to lunch. Just because it costs as much as a BMW, doesn't mean it is equivalent.

[sonick]

No doubt any average non car person will associate Tesla with luxury, they've done a great job at marketing and branding.

[GLOW]

can it be considered "luxury" but just really crappy factory QC with said defects? or are the finishes and luxury creature comforts not there?

never owned luxury as i'm a peasant

[Hondaracer]

Imo my 2011 G37 has higher quality finishings than new model 3’s.

The g37 was probably 15-20% more MSRP initially than a model 3 but it’s also 10+ years older than the ones I’ve been in. Also the sound deadening in the G37 feels luxurious compared to model 3 which has a lot of road noise

[Traum]

It's an apples-to-oranges comparison to compare road noise in ICE vs EV though. The only reason EV seems to have a lot of road noise is because ICE is so noisy (that it masks everything else).

That said, the TM3's interior feels cheap to me. The interior of my old man's FC2 has noticeably nicer materials and better fit and finish than the TM3. And honestly speaking, the fit and finish of that Civic wasn't all that great.

[GLOW]

how do the fit & finish of the other non-luxury EV's fare against tesla?
VW, Toyota/Subaru, Hyundai/Kia, etc?

[bcrdukes]

I don't know if this is the case anymore and only annecdotal but throughout the pandemic, I read that a lot of delivery of Teslas to customers were accepted by customers in poor condition pertaining to fit and finish. It was a "take it or leave it" situation.

Now, if the question was regarding use of premium materials and superb craftsmanship, I'm afraid I don't know. I drive a fake Scion for all I know.

[!LittleDragon]

I rented a Model S years ago and it just felt like a Camry to me. The fake leather was a turn off. Should've used real leather or just cloth. Don't use something in between.

Luxury should make things as easy as possible for you and your passengers. For instance, opening the roof should be one single motion. Reach up and push a button... easy... not trying to navigate a menu on the screen to find the option to open the roof... WHILE YOU'RE DRIVING.

[bcrdukes]

Wait, are you serious? lol

[Badhobz]

i guess its very subjective but honestly i just dont feel that the interior is very luxurious. Choice of materials is meh, finishing are meh, and the build quality is something that i can put together myself and probably do a better job.

[bcrdukes]

sounds like an Acura :troll:

[Badhobz]

i rate my own workmenship at a https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Geely_Logo_2022.svg/330px-Geely_Logo_2022.svg.png level.. i mean we cant all be https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Triangle_Tire_logo.svg/330px-Triangle_Tire_logo.svg.png level of perfection here.

[Hondaracer]

Every Tesla owner I know is not a “car person”

So most are oblivious to panel gaps, finishes, etc

[Alpine]

Teslas are definitely not luxury cars. Do people classify them as luxury cars because of how they are priced?

[EvoFire]

^ It is mainly the price, but also the performance. For the longest time straight line speed outside of sports cars is a measure of how nice your car is as a Rav4 has right around 200hp and a X3/Q5 starts at 250hp. It goes fast therefore it's nice. Also big screen is nice.

No I don't think Teslas are luxury. You just paid for a big battery and that it would go fast.

[SkinnyPupp]

Are Teslas really that expensive? I thought the whole point of them was that they were fast and pretty reliable fully electric cars, but affordable compared to the big manufacturers. Why are people buying Teslas if they're not cheap?

[underscore]

As some kind of status symbol.

[Manic!]

Would a Lamborghini or a Ferrari from the 80's be considered a luxury car? Because from what I hear the fit and finish on those cars was not great.

This is a list of all the higher end cars/SUV's my dad had bought.

Mercedes 420 SEL (that car was way ahead of it's time)
Mercedes ML 420, ML 500
BMW x35d
Porsche cayenne turbo hybrid (still owns)
Tesla Model Y
Tesla Model X He got a few weeks a go.

The X is the most expensive car he has bought. The fit and finish seem fine to me. The interior is not the best out of all the cars he has owned but that's not why he bought it. He bought it because it's the most technically advanced High end SUV you can buy. Porsche, Mercedes, Audi etc have nothing that comes close.

[bcrdukes]

Would a Lamborghini or a Ferrari from the 80's be considered a luxury car? Because from what I hear the fit and finish on those cars was not great.

One could argue that fit and finish does not equate to luxury and should not be confused with craftsmanship. At best, 80s Lamborghinis and Ferraris should be considered "luxury performance" at best, assuming they didn't catch on fire already.

[inv4zn]

Base Model 3 in Canada is $62k before rebates and taxes. Also colours are extra, lol.

Also it seems they fixed their website, about a year ago it would say

Purchase Price: $49,000*
*including fuel savings of $13000 over 6 years.

The Model S/X is a biiiit better built, but the 3 and Y and definitely cheaply made with cheap materials, with cheap fit and finish. The software is good though, I will admit as much.

[AzNightmare]

Teslas are definitely not luxury cars. Do people classify them as luxury cars because of how they are priced?

It's kind of a similar debate on what's a supercar? Is it price? Is it performance? Is it status or a bit of all of that?

I don't think it's really any one thing, but the image it's trying to portray is the biggest key factor. I know a lot of realtors want to have a nice car to present themselves well when they meet clients. They at bare min try to get an Acura or something. I think a Tesla would be fine and more suitable than... say a Honda.

It's kind of dumb, but people look at this stuff. Maybe things have slowly changed because of how common they are. And people can nitpick what's a luxury brand vs a car with luxurious features.

There's obviously different levels of "luxury" and as time goes, the bar gets pushed higher and higher. I mean a BMW or Benz is not a Rolls-Royce, but I don't think you need to be RR to be considered a luxury brand.

[EvoFire]

Are Teslas really that expensive? I thought the whole point of them was that they were fast and pretty reliable fully electric cars, but affordable compared to the big manufacturers. Why are people buying Teslas if they're not cheap?

100k out the door for the Model Y LR AWD.

That's roughly equivalent to a Audi etron SUV.

The Audi wins hands down in terms of design, build, fit and finish, materials, ease of use, and overall luxury.
The Tesla has a better drivetrain and longer range, more power, better support for charging.

In my opinion, versatility is about equal because of the stupid sloping hatch on the Tesla, but the load floor is really high on the Audi. Most ppl don't like 400km a charge like the Tesla, and 400km isn't really enough to go anywhere in around PNW either, Europe maybe. It depends on what you are looking for at the end.

People buy them the same reason they bought the Prius. It's the factor of the badge and what it represents.

[SkinnyPupp]

100k out the door for the Model Y LR AWD.

That's roughly equivalent to a Audi etron SUV.

The Audi wins hands down in terms of design, build, fit and finish, materials, ease of use, and overall luxury.
The Tesla has a better drivetrain and longer range, more power, better support for charging.

In my opinion, versatility is about equal because of the stupid sloping hatch on the Tesla, but the load floor is really high on the Audi. Most ppl don't like 400km a charge like the Tesla, and 400km isn't really enough to go anywhere in around PNW either, Europe maybe. It depends on what you are looking for at the end.

People buy them the same reason they bought the Prius. It's the factor of the badge and what it represents.
I've been picked up by Teslas using Uber, and would never ever guess that it was a $100K car. Always felt more like a Civic or Prius or whatever, but electric. Just a car.

[Manic!]

I've been picked up by Teslas using Uber, and would never ever guess that it was a $100K car. Always felt more like a Civic or Prius or whatever, but electric. Just a car.

That's because Tesla spends all of it's money on the tech. If you are building computer would you spend all the money on the GPU and CPU. Or would you blow your budget on RGB fans and a AIO with a screen?


Have not tried it yet but my dads model X can play any game the Vale Steam deck can pay. It also has controller support.

[sdubfid]

Regardless if you like Tesla or not it’s still impressive what they have done in the past decade being recognized amongst 100 year old companies. It’s hard enough to build a house these days due to red tape, I can’t imagine the bureaucracy of dealing with multiple countries safety standards and then throw self driving on top of that. A massive undertaking.

[SkinnyPupp]

That's because Tesla spends all of it's money on the tech. If you are building computer would you spend all the money on the GPU and CPU. Or would you blow your budget on RGB fans and a AIO with a screen?


Have not tried it yet but my dads model X can play any game the Vale Steam deck can pay. It also has controller support.
As long as it's going somewhere useful, good. If it's all going to the brand name then I'd be pretty turned off by it. Especially now that the brand name itself means shit because of its association with Elon.

[underscore]

If they're spending all their money on the tech why are they still doing stupid gimmicks like playing games? Why would I want to sit in my car to game?

Would a Lamborghini or a Ferrari from the 80's be considered a luxury car? Because from what I hear the fit and finish on those cars was not great.

Those are supercars, not luxury cars. Teslas are neither.

[Badhobz]

That's because Tesla spends all of it's money on the tech. If you are building computer would you spend all the money on the GPU and CPU. Or would you blow your budget on RGB fans and a AIO with a screen?


Have not tried it yet but my dads model X can play any game the Vale Steam deck can pay. It also has controller support.

What the actual fuck!? WHY!?!??! shoving as much bullshit into the car isnt exactly what i want.

Most car enthusiasts are trying to hold on to a more tactile and interactive experience; Tesla is literally trying to make the cars drive themselves, removing us from the experience for good.

Its not comfortable enough to be a serious GT (nor does it have the friggin legs for that matter when you have to sit at some stupid charging station for 20-30 minutes every 500-600kms)

Its not luxurious enough to rival that of a Bentley or a Rolls, or even a higher end BMW/Mercedes/Lexus/Genesis/etc/etc

It doesnt have the clot to be a supercar, you arent going to score any gold diggers in your lousy tesla especially when half of them are being driven by fantuan delivery idiots.

its only meant to be a good practical city car for people who hates cars and driving in general. count me out. the car has no soul.. its an empty husk of a car much like its so called creator / ceo.

[Manic!]

If they're spending all their money on the tech why are they still doing stupid gimmicks like playing games? Why would I want to sit in my car to game?



Those are supercars, not luxury cars. Teslas are neither.

Ok then what about Ford era Jaguars?

Able to play steam games is a byproduct of the hardware it runs. it has an AMD proccesor and 16 gigs of ram.
playing games on the ferry, when charging, or on a hot day if your house does not have AC seems like a a great idea to me.


https://youtu.be/JIfPIgwpJSg


What the actual fuck!? WHY!?!??! shoving as much bullshit into the car isnt exactly what i want.

Most car enthusiasts are trying to hold on to a more tactile and interactive experience; Tesla is literally trying to make the cars drive themselves, removing us from the experience for good.

Its not comfortable enough to be a serious GT (nor does it have the friggin legs for that matter when you have to sit at some stupid charging station for 20-30 minutes every 500-600kms)

Its not luxurious enough to rival that of a Bentley or a Rolls, or even a higher end BMW/Mercedes/Lexus/Genesis/etc/etc

It doesnt have the clot to be a supercar, you arent going to score any gold diggers in your lousy tesla especially when half of them are being driven by fantuan delivery idiots.

its only meant to be a good practical city car for people who hates cars and driving in general. count me out. the car has no soul.. its an empty husk of a car much like its so called creator / ceo.


Bentley and Rolls Royce are old money and Tesla is new money.

If you want to talk about useless bullshit. Who needs a picnic basket, wine glasses, or umbrellas in a rear doors.

My dad says he will never buy a gas car again. He also owns a Mercedes Sl350 and Bought a brand new Pontiac Trans AM with a 6.6 litre engine in 79. Had about the same horsepower as my Civic hatch with a b18.

He does not hate cars.

My sister lives in Vancouver but works in Squamish and drives to Whistler on a regular basis. She drives a Model Y.

The internal combustion engine has maxed out there is no where for it to go. You have a 3 cylinder in the GR corolla making 30 HP and modified 4 cylinder engines making 1000 HP.

Tesla and electric cars are good for the enthusiast community. You have a lot of people in the car community that care how a car drives and just want a car that looks cool. In the future gas cars are not going to be cool. Just like vinyl was not cool when CD's and CD players became reasonably priced. Who is going to want to buy a gas guzzler when you can buy a used electric car for 20K.

[Badhobz]

EVs work in bc because we have hydro electricity. It doesn’t work for majority of the world that already have problems powering their homes let alone their cars.

To think that this will be globally adopted is insane. It won’t happen. This is a toy for North American coastal elites. It’s basically a beta product. Why anyone would beta test for Elon is beyond me.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Is this 20Kfor a used electric before or after replacing the batteries or other expensive components with a limited life?

I was looking at a used Toyota Highlander Hybrid until I read more into the costs involved in replacing batteries.

[Manic!]

Is this 20Kfor a used electric before or after replacing the batteries or other expensive components with a limited life?

I was looking at a used Toyota Highlander Hybrid until I read more into the costs involved in replacing batteries.

https://getoptiwatt.com/blog/how-long-will-your-tesla-battery-really-last

Battery life is one of the top concerns for both current and prospective owners of electric vehicles. Tesla is the pioneer of technology and innovation with its battery longevity ranging between 300,000 to 500,000 miles. According to an Impact Report released by Tesla in 2019, Tesla Model S and X batteries retain over 80% of their range even after driving 200,000 miles.


I don't think battery life is an issue.


I also did not know my dad with a grade 8 education who worked in mills for decades was part of the coastal elite.

[MarkyMark]

If having an education was a prerequisite for having money there would be a lot more broke asses in the world right now.

[Manic!]

https://i.redd.it/7g8u1d413a9a1.jpg

It's a parody account but still got him good.

[underscore]

Ok then what about Ford era Jaguars?

What about them?

Able to play steam games is a byproduct of the hardware it runs. it has an AMD proccesor and 16 gigs of ram.

Why does it need 16GB of RAM? How poorly optimized is the UI on that screen?


playing games on the ferry, when charging, or on a hot day if your house does not have AC seems like a a great idea to me.

You could just buy a Steam Deck or Switch which work anywhere? Why would you want to have it glued to a car. If your house gets so hot that you have to go sit in your car maybe don't overpay for a fashion accessory and buy an air conditioner and a Leaf or something.

[!LittleDragon]

He lays it all out pretty well

https://youtu.be/tH8ll5VboC8

[!LittleDragon]

Why does it need 16GB of RAM? How poorly optimized is the UI on that screen?



Most of their UI wouldn't be needed if they didn't remove all the cars buttons... lol... My car has pretty good navigation and audio UI and I don't even care, I don't use it. It's Android Auto and Apple Carplay all the way.

I can go from my G90 to an F150 and there's nothing to learn. Once you plug your phone in, AA and CP are the universal UI between car brands. I used to hate rental cars because I needed to learn how to use their navigation but it's no longer a problem.

[Manic!]

What about them?



Why does it need 16GB of RAM? How poorly optimized is the UI on that screen?



You could just buy a Steam Deck or Switch which work anywhere? Why would you want to have it glued to a car. If your house gets so hot that you have to go sit in your car maybe don't overpay for a fashion accessory and buy an air conditioner and a Leaf or something.

The quality of the ford era jags was crap.

It runs more than just one screen. Also you need 2 sticks to run dual channel. Who makes 4 gig sticks anymore? Running steam games required no extra hardware.


My brother makes more money than anyone in our family but he is cheap. he has lived in the same house since he got his first accounting job. It has no A/C.
Will be doing a reno finally and getting A/C. Last summer his family watched netflix in the car because it was so hot. He didn't buy the model 3 or Mach e because they there fashion accessories. he bought them because his kids needed new cars.

Most of their UI wouldn't be needed if they didn't remove all the cars buttons... lol... My car has pretty good navigation and audio UI and I don't even care, I don't use it. It's Android Auto and Apple Carplay all the way.

I can go from my G90 to an F150 and there's nothing to learn. Once you plug your phone in, AA and CP are the universal UI between car brands. I used to hate rental cars because I needed to learn how to use their navigation but it's no longer a problem.

Does Android Auto show you all the cars in front, beside, and behind you. Does it start recording when anyone comes near your car? Android Auto is great and I use it a lot but Tesla's system does some things that Android Auto will never be able to do.

[!LittleDragon]

Does Android Auto show you all the cars in front, beside, and behind you. Does it start recording when anyone comes near your car? Android Auto is great and I use it a lot but Tesla's system does some things that Android Auto will never be able to do.

Why does it need to? I don't look at screens when I drive, my eyes are on the road. I don't even look at my gauges anymore because the HUD is in my line of sight. The car knowing where other cars are is fine but it doesn't need to show me. That shit is distracting when you're trying to control a 5000lb projectile.

[Badhobz]

It didn’t help the chinamen who did 1.7km at full speed with no brakes.

[Manic!]

Why does it need to? I don't look at screens when I drive, my eyes are on the road. I don't even look at my gauges anymore because the HUD is in my line of sight. The car knowing where other cars are is fine but it doesn't need to show me. That shit is distracting when you're trying to control a 5000lb projectile.

So when you are backing out you only look at your hud. The end game is self driving and the computer is part of that system.

[!LittleDragon]

So when you are backing out you only look at your hud. The end game is self driving and the computer is part of that system.

I like waffles, therefore I must hate pancakes.

[N.V.M.]

Apple should be unveiling their "secret" self driving EV one of these days.

[Manic!]

Apple should be unveiling their "secret" self driving EV one of these days.

It has been delayed to 2026.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42191179/apple-self-driving-ev-delayed-2026/

[underscore]

The quality of the ford era jags was crap.

So what's your point? You keep making these odd comparisons to other vehicles that aren't equivalent.

It runs more than just one screen. Also you need 2 sticks to run dual channel. Who makes 4 gig sticks anymore? Running steam games required no extra hardware.

Are you saying they're using regular computer memory in a car? That still doesn't explain why it needs all that RAM or why it has a GPU that can run a game, other than for a gimmick. You can run a UI and stream a couple cameras with a potato.

[Manic!]

So what's your point? You keep making these odd comparisons to other vehicles that aren't equivalent.



Are you saying they're using regular computer memory in a car? That still doesn't explain why it needs all that RAM or why it has a GPU that can run a game, other than for a gimmick. You can run a UI and stream a couple cameras with a potato.

People are saying Tesla is not a luxury car because of fit and finish. But other luxury brands have also had fit and finish problems.

Tesla Uses a AMD APU that uses DDR4 ram. It's probably using embedded ram and not desktop dimms but it's DDR4 just like the computer you use. What type of potato tech would you like Tesla to use instead of the AMD CPU that cost them probably costs them a few hundred bux at most. They where using Intel Atom processors before.

[underscore]

I mean if I'm buying a car supposedly for the tech I'd rather they spend their R&D time on actual development and not gimmicks but that's just me.

People are saying Tesla is not a luxury car because of fit and finish. But other luxury brands have also had fit and finish problems

You mentioned one period of time for one brand that pitches itself as luxury, but sure. The rest of them the rest of the time haven't got anywhere near Tesla's quality issues. They still have terrible build quality and still aren't a luxury brand despite their luxury pricing.

[Manic!]

I mean if I'm buying a car supposedly for the tech I'd rather they spend their R&D time on actual development and not gimmicks but that's just me.



You mentioned one period of time for one brand that pitches itself as luxury, but sure. The rest of them the rest of the time haven't got anywhere near Tesla's quality issues. They still have terrible build quality and still aren't a luxury brand despite their luxury pricing.

Tesla has the most advanced car on the market. No one comes close.

My family has 4 Tesla's no one has had fit and finish problems.

According to JD power Tesla ranks low but Audi, Volo, and Volkswagen are lower.

https://www.jdpower.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/image/2022-06/2022071a.JPG?itok=3hvuEMAj

[SkinnyPupp]

Being able to stream Steam video games is nothing. It took no development, it took no resources. They came to an agreement with Valve, and added it to the software.

All it does is play a video of the game you are playing, and send the inputs back and forth - no different from doing it on your phone or whatever. TVs have had software that does this for years.

It's just a gimmick and nobody is going to use it other than to see that they can do it. May be a few fringe cases like for kids or whatever, but they will most likely prefer to play on their own phone.

[Manic!]

Being able to stream Steam video games is nothing. It took no development, it took no resources. They came to an agreement with Valve, and added it to the software.

All it does is play a video of the game you are playing, and send the inputs back and forth - no different from doing it on your phone or whatever. TVs have had software that does this for years.

It's just a gimmick and nobody is going to use it other than to see that they can do it. May be a few fringe cases like for kids or whatever, but they will most likely prefer to play on their own phone.


Not true. Games are downloaded and stored locally from what I understand. Tesla has a 80 gig HD and you can add an external drive. I add I tb to my Dad's for sentry mode.

https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1106/first-look-at-playing-steam-games-in-a-tesla

[sonick]

Downloading a game local to play online is way less technologically advanced than streaming a game in real time like Xbox GamePass Live. The input latency itself is insane to think about making it zero lag.

[Hondaracer]

Tesla fan bois cling to the weirdest shit..

[SkinnyPupp]

Not true. Games are downloaded and stored locally from what I understand. Tesla has a 80 gig HD and you can add an external drive. I add I tb to my Dad's for sentry mode.

https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1106/first-look-at-playing-steam-games-in-a-tesla
OK if anything that is even more simple

Either way it's nothing... The car has a PC, so it can run Steam, and games that can run on Steam can run on it.

btw what GPU does the Tesla have that is able to run Cyberpunk at a playable frame rate?

[!LittleDragon]

I'm confused why they would choose x86 to run a mission critical OS instead of ARM or a purpose built ASIC.

[whitev70r]

^ I don't find them cheap at all. People bought them because of government subsidies and initially, not a whole lot of choices. That and it was the newest fangle thing. I think there are more and more options now.

[Badhobz]

Tesla fan bois cling to the weirdest shit..

Hahah so true. But I guess you have to defend your expensive purchase or else you are left with the reality that you bought a gimmicky ass car that’s poorly built, and full of beta software that they can change, remove, adjust on a whim.

They used to come with LiDAR right ? Now they rely solely on shit cameras that don’t work if there’s heavy rain or snow. Or it’s too dark. Or it’s too bright. Etc etc. steering yoke ? Fuck you elon. Self driving isn’t realistic, requires way too much babysitting, summon mode is horse crap, fails more than it works.

The only feature that I think is good is having the built in dash cam. Which I can replicate with a 30 dollar can from Amazon. What other feature is there that’s noteworthy ?

I don’t know why people defend these insane bullshit things.

[!LittleDragon]

If you think Tesla fans are whack, go check out the Hyperloop crowd..

[rb]

Don't know much about Tesla's other than the fact that owners/drivers behave like bmw 3 series drivers of yester years.

Never signaling or giving thanks if you stop to let them through or out, tailgating your ass in the right lane when the left is completely wide open.

[Manic!]

I'm confused why they would choose x86 to run a mission critical OS instead of ARM or a purpose built ASIC.

They also have an arm chip in the car it's used for FSD. It was designed in house.

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/tesla_(car_company)/fsd_chip


If you think Tesla fans are whack, go check out the Hyperloop crowd..

Hyperloop is BS. But if you want an EV Tesla makes the best one by far.

[EvoFire]

People are saying Tesla is not a luxury car because of fit and finish. But other luxury brands have also had fit and finish problems.

Tesla Uses a AMD APU that uses DDR4 ram. It's probably using embedded ram and not desktop dimms but it's DDR4 just like the computer you use. What type of potato tech would you like Tesla to use instead of the AMD CPU that cost them probably costs them a few hundred bux at most. They where using Intel Atom processors before.

No one has fit and finish problems like Tesla does. I see them on the road and the misaligned panels are very obvious, especially on the trunks. Tons of anecdotal evidence that something like half the cars have issues on delivery. That's not the only thing that outlines what a luxury car is, NVH and suspension tuning is one huge sore power

I am saying that they didn't put their money in tech, but the other companies are quickly catching up. Tesla does have some very interest design choices and I say that in a good way. When Munro tore down a recent Model Y, the heatpump design for cabin climate control is described as ingenius and a super efficient design.

The AMD thing. Kudos to them to go for it and making it work as it gives them a ton of processing power, but there's a reason why traditionally x86 or PC-esque processors aren't used. They aren't robust enough for the bumps and bruises a car would take, and the operating envelope is just not wide enough (-40C to 60C easy, and that's just one metric) for operation in a car.

[Manic!]

The AMD thing. Kudos to them to go for it and making it work as it gives them a ton of processing power, but there's a reason why traditionally x86 or PC-esque processors aren't used. They aren't robust enough for the bumps and bruises a car would take, and the operating envelope is just not wide enough (-40C to 60C easy, and that's just one metric) for operation in a car.

It depends on how the CPU is packaged. A Panasonic tough book laptop can run at temperatures as low as -28 C and when not running it can survive -58 C.

Audi Also uses Intel CPU's in some of it's cars.

https://newsroom.intel.com/news/report-intel-technology-audi-a8/

Some planes also use Intel CPU's

https://fdsavionics.com/product/solid-state-cpu/

Tesla is not just garbing off the shelf parts and installing them in a car. Tons of testing by them and the manufacture has been done. As cars get more complex more CPU power will be required.

More info from Intel and AMD.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/automotive/automotive-overview.html

https://www.amd.com/en/products/embedded-automotive-solutions

[GS8]

All I really cared to learn in this thread is that Buick is number 1 :toot:

2023 is my favourite year so far.

[mikemhg]

Tesla fan bois cling to the weirdest shit..

That's literally the only thing that came to mind watching this back and forth :lol

WTF.

[mikemhg]

All I really cared to learn in this thread is that Buick is number 1 :toot:

2023 is my favourite year so far.

And Dodge is 2nd?!

What world do we now live in.

How is Chrysler at the bottom of the list and Dodge is 2nd?

[punkwax]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZDM5NzgxNGQtZTU1ZS00MjEwLWIwYWUtNTQyYzNkYjY3YT Q0XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNTA4NzExMDg@._V1_FMjpg_UX1000_.j pg

[bcrdukes]

Perhaps some of you folks should take this battle on to Twitter so we can get back on track to the purpose of this thread. :D

[Badhobz]

its initial quality. INITAL. fucking that's all honeymoon phase bullshit.

Here's the dependability study which tracks more long term ownership. Tesla on par with jag, nice.

https://lexusenthusiast.com/images/weblog/jd-power-dependability-2021.png

[Great68]

I take even the dependability rankings with a grain of salt.

I couldn't find the exact metrics they're using (Sounds like just surveys of owners of the vehicles reporting the problems they experienced), but if they're not weighting the nature of the problems based on severity, than it's little use to me.

Like, I would give very little fucks about if a car is prone to having its heated seats fail, but I give a lot of fucks about serious engine/transmission problems that leave you stranded on the side of the road.

[bcrdukes]

RIP Alfa Romeo

[!LittleDragon]

And Dodge is 2nd?!

What world do we now live in.

How is Chrysler at the bottom of the list and Dodge is 2nd?

Probably a sample size thing... I mean Chrysler sells 2 cars, the 300 and Pacifica... both are in dying segments... sedans and minivans so neither are hot sellers. The current 300 has been in production since 2011 so I would hope they're reliable by now... lol

[Manic!]

its initial quality. INITAL. fucking that's all honeymoon phase bullshit.

Here's the dependability study which tracks more long term ownership. Tesla on par with jag, nice.



The original talk was about fit, finish, and panel gaps. That's about initial quality.

[Great68]

The original talk was about fit, finish, and panel gaps. That's about initial quality.

The JD initial quality survey does not speak to fit, finish and panel gaps in the ranking. It's a survey of car owners 90 days into the ownership of their new car and what mechanical, electrical, etc problems they may have encountered in that time.

[Badhobz]

What panel gaps get better over time ? I’m not too impressed with JD power but what else can you use as a benchmark in this industry.

[Great68]

What I'm saying is that it's not like JD Power is sending people out to physically measure the panel gaps of all new cars and determine which one has the "best overall panel gaps".

The only way something like panel gaps would be a factor is if someone they surveyed actually reported "That huge panel gap is causing my hood not to close properly"

[Badhobz]

True. That’s why initial quality is kinda bs.
Not sure how they even rate it. Dodge owners must be generous as hell.

[Great68]

I guess Dodges are very reliable, in their first 90 days of ownership....

[bcrdukes]

I rented a Dodge Challenger for two weeks in Los Angeles and it had a solid 9800 or so miles (not kilometres.) Overall, I couldn't find anything wrong with the car. I went through the car quite thoroughly and couldn't find anything obvious. I quite enjoyed the car and it was quite comfortable for long drives. I'd buy one.

[underscore]

RIP Alfa Romeo

Forget Alfa, look at that jump to Land Rover. No wonder they're all pavement princesses, you need to stay within BCAA coverage at all times.

[bcrdukes]

I posted about this before but Land Rovers are such a POS. A colleague of mine keeps buying them despite the fact they always fail on him while his wife's Lexus RX has 300 something thousand kilometres on it and has had nothing but routine maintenance.

Fun fact: I found out a few weeks ago said Land Rover loving colleague has multiple road side assistance subscriptions. CAA (we are in Ontario) raised his premiums and warned him they will not insure him next year. :pokerface:

[JDMDreams]

Wait no one here has mention why Honda is more problematic than BMW or Mercedes:fulloffuck:

[MarkyMark]

Land Rover is such an odd company. Let's build a brand around off-road capability yet make it less reliable than a Jag. Every story I've heard about someone owning one has been nothing but a horrible experience.

[hud 91gt]

because Turbo

[N.V.M.]

anything UK is junk.

[Hondaracer]

I posted about this before but Land Rovers are such a POS. A colleague of mine keeps buying them despite the fact they always fail on him while his wife's Lexus RX has 300 something thousand kilometres on it and has had nothing but routine maintenance.

Fun fact: I found out a few weeks ago said Land Rover loving colleague has multiple road side assistance subscriptions. CAA (we are in Ontario) raised his premiums and warned him they will not insure him next year. :pokerface:

Land Rover is such an odd company. Let's build a brand around off-road capability yet make it less reliable than a Jag. Every story I've heard about someone owning one has been nothing but a horrible experience.

I’m almost certain both Range Rover and Rolls Royce top the list of unreliability over the course of their ownership however both have the highest brand loyalty lol

Just goes to show that you’ve probably got enough money that you don’t worry about your constant visits to the service dept, or you’re the type of knob who can only be driving a RR lol

[AzNightmare]

If I'm seriously going to make a judgement on a car, I research down to the trim level. I've seen cars make or break it just because of a poor tranny or motor used in one trim level and not the other.

Other than that, I'm just making judgements based on an emblem.
It's kind of sad how people still do this, but it is what it is.

[SkinnyPupp]

Me waiting for Elon to do something stupid so we can go back to making fun of him

[MG1]

What panel gaps get better over time ? I’m not too impressed with JD power but what else can you use as a benchmark in this industry.

Revscene, gulolol.............

[yray]

what are you guys talking about...my land rovers are reliable

like all British cars, they always start up, driving is questionable though

I got spare parts, a jack , rave manual and tools to take apart my truck in my trunk though :troll:

[Badhobz]

Me waiting for Elon to do something stupid so we can go back to making fun of him

Didn’t he call some dude with only 500 followers as having a small Dick ? What a trolololool

[Lomac]

I’m almost certain both Range Rover and Rolls Royce top the list of unreliability over the course of their ownership however both have the highest brand loyalty lol

Just goes to show that you’ve probably got enough money that you don’t worry about your constant visits to the service dept, or you’re the type of knob who can only be driving a RR lol

I've got a family friend who is a die hard Jaaaaaaaag owner. He literally buys two of every model he decides to own because, and I swear I'm not making this up, he still wants to drive one when the other is inevitably in the shop for weeks at a time. He's been doing this for decades at this point now as well. Never learns; or, at least, doesn't want to.

:fulloffuck:

[Lomac]

Bringing this thread back to the original intent...:

Elon Musk teases release of the 'Fauci Files,' following his previous scathing criticism of the medical expert (https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-twitter-teases-release-fauci-files-amid-spat-2023-1)

So good to see that a new year hasn't changed Musk's idiocy. :facepalm:

[sonick]

I've got a family friend who is a die hard Jaaaaaaaag owner. He literally buys two of every model he decides to own because, and I swear I'm not making this up, he still wants to drive one when the other is inevitably in the shop for weeks at a time. He's been doing this for decades at this point now as well. Never learns; or, at least, doesn't want to.

:fulloffuck:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8iv9h8WQAslU5O.jpg

[Bouncing Bettys]

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1611740713108078594

The comments did not disappoint. The progressive mask sure comes off quick when facing a dilemma.

[mikemhg]

^In what way?

From what I could read there most people seem to see both sides to the argument.

I know it's hard to comprehend, but there is nuance to everything in life.

[BaoTurbo]

https://mobilesyrup.com/2023/02/10/elon-musk-fired-twitter-engineer-engagement-fell/?fbclid=IwAR1Um6I4GdoSRXx4wDqQXq-DhgfXNXboLDDAQbGOLcNXqioFv8jpo9nTKzQ

First, the report opens with a quintessential Musk event — Twitter’s owner and CEO reportedly gathered a group of the company’s engineers and advisors and asked them why his engagement numbers were tanking.

“This is ridiculous. I have more than 100 million followers, and I’m only getting tens of thousands of impressions,” Musk said, multiple sources with direct knowledge of the meeting told Platformer.

One of Twitter’s two remaining principal engineers suggested to Musk that interest in his antics was wearing out, and employees reportedly showed him a Google Trends chart depicting Musk’s declining popularity in search rankings. Musk fired the engineer.

Musk: What's going on with my tweet engagements
Engineer: Mr. Musk you're declining in popularity as we can see in this chart
Musk: You're fired.

[EvoFire]

https://mobilesyrup.com/2023/02/10/elon-musk-fired-twitter-engineer-engagement-fell/?fbclid=IwAR1Um6I4GdoSRXx4wDqQXq-DhgfXNXboLDDAQbGOLcNXqioFv8jpo9nTKzQ



Musk: What's going on with my tweet engagements
Engineer: Mr. Musk you're declining in popularity as we can see in this chart
Musk: You're fired.

That wrongful termination lawsuit would be amazing.

[inv4zn]

That wrongful termination lawsuit would be amazing.

This is in the states, most states don't have any protections for employees, they can fire you at will as long as it's not for human rights causes (race, religion, etc).

[Mikoyan]

https://mobilesyrup.com/2023/02/10/elon-musk-fired-twitter-engineer-engagement-fell/?fbclid=IwAR1Um6I4GdoSRXx4wDqQXq-DhgfXNXboLDDAQbGOLcNXqioFv8jpo9nTKzQ

Musk: What's going on with my tweet engagements
Engineer: Mr. Musk you're declining in popularity as we can see in this chart
Musk: You're fired.
Basically this.

https://i.imgflip.com/7arwmx.jpg

[Manic!]

PP asked musk to brand the CBC as state funded media. So he did. Now the CBC has paused using twitter. NPR and PBS did the same. I think this is an L for twitter.

Fun fact pp is also 100% state funded.

From the PM

The fact he has to run to American billionaire's for support to attack ����Canadians, says alot about Mr Poilievre and his values

https://twitter.com/JaroGiesbrecht/status/1647982970878443521?cxt=HHwWgoDS8frx594tAAAA

[murd0c]

CBC is government funded tho.. Where are the lies?

[Hondaracer]

Look back at CBC’s Covid coverage. They were a direct conduit for the liberals messaging. They weren’t subjective at all or even had any semblance of “journalism” they just turned around and spat out whatever the govt. was saying

find another news outlet that did anything remotely close to that. the CBC is irrelevent. whether it be their "news" or any other programming

[Manic!]

CBC is government funded tho.. Where are the lies?

So who funds pp?

[Manic!]

Look back at CBC’s Covid coverage. They were a direct conduit for the liberals messaging. They weren’t subjective at all or even had any semblance of “journalism” they just turned around and spat out whatever the govt. was saying

find another news outlet that did anything remotely close to that. the CBC is irrelevent. whether it be their "news" or any other programming

https://twitter.com/KeithBoag/status/1647990360394592256

[Hondaracer]

Also the fact they instantly opted to get off twitter as opposed to trying to rectify the situation or appeal the decision speaks volumes as to their position.

There goes half your user base. Good luck getting the 80 year olds to stick around after coronation street.

[Manic!]

Also the fact they instantly opted to get off twitter as opposed to trying to rectify the situation or appeal the decision speaks volumes as to their position.

There goes half your user base. Good luck getting the 80 year olds to stick around after coronation street.

They are following PBS and NPR.

I wonder who funds TNC and rebel news. Rebel has somewhere around 50 to 100 employees 1.6 mill subs on youtube but gets less than 10k views on many videos and the owner is always begging for money. Something does not add up.

Lets have all news media show who they are funded by.

[unit]

CBC is government funded tho.. Where are the lies?

i think the problem is that PP did it to try to portray the CBC as propaganda, which he tweeted about right after as his success.
cbc may lean left but its not fair to call it government propaganda.
do you know who else leans left? most of canada.

[donk.]

They are following PBS and NPR.

I wonder who funds TNC and rebel news. Rebel has somewhere around 50 to 100 employees 1.6 mill subs on youtube but gets less than 10k views on many videos and the owner is always begging for money. Something does not add up.

Lets have all news media show who they are funded by.

https://ground.news/

Don't know how accurate this website is, but you can rant more about posts being right or left wing

[underscore]

The CBC only seems left wing because so much of the other news in Canada is right wing.

https://i.imgur.com/yKTevKZ.png

CBC is government funded tho.. Where are the lies?

It's publicly funded, big difference. By Twitter's own definitions: https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/government-media-labels

How government-funded media accounts are defined: Government-funded media is defined as outlets where the government provides some or all of the outlet’s funding and may have varying degrees of government involvement over editorial content. We may use external sources similar to this one in order to determine when this label is applied.

How publicly-funded media accounts are defined: Publicly-funded media refers to media organizations that receive funding from license fees, individual contributions, public financing, and commercial financing.

[Hondaracer]

Lol that chart is such a stretch. All of those outlets are irrelevant. So yea you can spin them into this “right wing” conservative focused bla bla bla. They are dinosaur print media, AND they are privately funded. So who cares what they print, they are financing their “journalism” themselves.

Whereas CBC, listen to CBC radio for a day and see what you think.

CBC as a publicly funded entity has no business pushing the agendas and angles they do as hard as they do.

[mikemhg]

CBC is government funded tho.. Where are the lies?

That's not entirely fair, as others said they did this to NPR (which is publicly funded).

In its past such label was held only to actual state-owned propagandist media (think RT for example).

To put CBC on the same playing field as RT is laughable at best.

[SkinnyPupp]

All of those outlets are irrelevant.

I......... Just........ :fulloffuck:

[StylinRed]

Did anyone see snippets of the BBC interview with Musk? Wow did they task an intern with doing that interview? He was soo cringingly inept

[mikemhg]

Did anyone see snippets of the BBC interview with Musk? Wow did they task an intern with doing that interview? He was soo cringingly inept

You mean the one that got "destroyed" by him? As per the videos in my Youtube algorithms :lol

[underscore]

Lol that chart is such a stretch. All of those outlets are irrelevant. So yea you can spin them into this “right wing” conservative focused bla bla bla. They are dinosaur print media, AND they are privately funded. So who cares what they print, they are financing their “journalism” themselves.

Well you're not going to find data for online news back to 1980. Which coincidently is where they all exist now too, they aren't just print media. But if you don't think any of these are relevant news companies anymore then name some that are.

[Hondaracer]

Outlets like Global, CTV, etc. companies that still have presence on TV and steaming services as well as a hefty online presence are farrrrr more influential than print media who are on their final gasps even with their online presence.

Who gets news from the Vancouver sun or Calgary Herald? Their circle of influence is incredibly small.

It’s also like yea.. of course “conservative” leaning people own all this shit. They are all owned by bigger corporations. Rich people leaning right? That’s weird lol

Edit, lol..

https://i.imgur.com/rKfNEi1.jpg

Edit… also lol.. this was a good use of money, not like we don’t have bigger issues than renewing Murdoch Mysteries for its 18th season..

https://i.imgur.com/OFtQ8A2.png

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

lol he's gonna still come out on top at the end.

[StylinRed]

You mean the one that got "destroyed" by him? As per the videos in my Youtube algorithms :lol

Haven't been on YouTube much but I imagine it's the same as what I've seen on tiktok :lol

[Manic!]

lol he's gonna still come out on top at the end.

The guy spent 40 billion on a company he claims is now worth 20 billion just to own the libs.

Twitter is going to end up like myspace.

Problem with some ultra wealthy people is if they make money in one area they think they can make money doing anything because they are so smart.

Look at richard branson and his space company and his hyperloop company. Both are in big financial trouble.

[GLOW]

Did anyone see snippets of the BBC interview with Musk? Wow did they task an intern with doing that interview? He was soo cringingly inept

if they had their star journalist get destroyed it's a bad look, better to ask an intern so their star won't get embarassed.

like jordan peterson vids where professors with opposing views get their students to speak up and get can crushed so they themselves don't get embarrassed Kappa :troll: :badpokerface: KEKW

[Manic!]

Microsoft just dropped twitter from its b2b marketing platform. Elon is now threatening Microsoft for using twitter data to train ai.

Twitter is fucked. They have lost 1/2 of there advertisers since musk took over.

https://mashable.com/article/microsoft-drops-twitter-from-advertising-platform

[Hehe]

I don't know if you guys use Twitter at all, but ever since Elon Musk took over, it's so much better.

It used to be filled with bot crypto posts everywhere. Now they are pretty much gone. I just went into the app to double-check to see if I could see any... nop... nada.

And lefties are probably not very happy to use Twitter now. But I find the posts from my feed more relevant and actually useful to spend some time reading on there.

Yeah yeah... I'm a fucking rightie and Elon fanboys... whatever, but from a pure UX perspective, Twitter is day/night better now than what it was used to be.

[SkinnyPupp]

I only follow a few wrestlers, video game people, a couple buddies, a local news guy, and that's about it., So Twitter is pretty much exact ly the same as it has always been for me. The actual UX is getting a bit more shitty seemingly every day, but not enough to care.

The biggest difference has been the "lefties" I follow making jokes and complaining about the blue checkmark...

[supafamous]

I don't know if you guys use Twitter at all, but ever since Elon Musk took over, it's so much better.

It used to be filled with bot crypto posts everywhere. Now they are pretty much gone. I just went into the app to double-check to see if I could see any... nop... nada.

And lefties are probably not very happy to use Twitter now. But I find the posts from my feed more relevant and actually useful to spend some time reading on there.

Yeah yeah... I'm a fucking rightie and Elon fanboys... whatever, but from a pure UX perspective, Twitter is day/night better now than what it was used to be.

It's worse for me. The "For You" feed that it likes to default to is full of garbage that I don't want to see - I'm there for the people I follow, not for the stuff Twitter thinks I want to see.

The loss of bots isn't a win for me b/c I follow some of those automated public service bots and now those are gone. The performance of the app is worse - slower, less reliable, inconsistent data.

Even the ads are shit now.

[SkinnyPupp]

One bad change is that they no longer mark state run media outlets

[sonick]

It's worse for me. The "For You" feed that it likes to default to is full of garbage that I don't want to see - I'm there for the people I follow, not for the stuff Twitter thinks I want to see.

The loss of bots isn't a win for me b/c I follow some of those automated public service bots and now those are gone. The performance of the app is worse - slower, less reliable, inconsistent data.

Even the ads are shit now.

+1 to this, I default to the "following" tab and don't bother with "for you" at all.

The ads I see are 2-bit influencers that I don't give a shit about.

Twitter is a case study of what a vindictive nerd who got bullied in high school would do if he became the world's richest person.

[Manic!]

He is such a simp he is paying for other people's check marks.

Elon Musk reveals he is ‘personally paying’ the Twitter Blue subscriptions of some celebrities to keep their checkmark, such as Lebron James and Stephen King.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1649211324344201218?s=46&t=CyJJvkt8Et-EeGYljSROjQ

[westopher]

Everything Elon does is still just based on getting invited to sit with the cool kids in the cafeteria for lunch. He needs to figure out he should just be cooler and he wouldn't have to buy everyone's lunch every day to do it.

[mikemhg]

I don't think I've ever seen Hehe criticize Elon for a single thing he's done.

The man might as well have that Boer blood flowing through his veins, a fanboy through and through :lol

[Hehe]

I don't think I've ever seen Hehe criticize Elon for a single thing he's done.

The man might as well have that Boer blood flowing through his veins, a fanboy through and through :lol

Nah... as a Tesla shareholder I was pissed that he was taking on yet another CEO job. But I give credit when it's due.

Twitter has been working way better for me than it had ever been. I used to go there to catch up with a few content creators that I follow and that's about it. No more than 3min or however long I take to shit Now I actually spend some time reading on other stuffs since garbage posts are much less visible.

And I think I've said it before. If I was Elon Musk, I'd have done the same. Buying Twitter is like Bezos buying WaPo. It's to shape narrative as one sees fit. And to be perfectly honest, I never think myself as a right-leaning person.
In fact, just a few years earlier, I was a strong Obama supporter and I liked all social subsidy programs they were introducing.

It's just as I age, it has become clear to me that most people are lazy af. When you give them handouts, very few of them actually try to turn their life around. Instead, they simply expect more and more handouts.

I've seen enough of that failure in South American countries like Venezuela or Argentina. And trust me, growing up in those places as a person with yellow skin is not very different than a black person in North America. Discriminations and racism were daily occurrences. I thought eventually, people would try to be better.

The truth is, far too few people try to be better. They just want the status quo.

Many trashes Twitter now because it's different. It got out of their comfort zone. But if you see it objectively, it's better in pretty much any metric.

[supafamous]

Many trashes Twitter now because it's different. It got out of their comfort zone. But if you see it objectively, it's better in pretty much any metric.

Well, Twitter's only worth $20B now compared to the $44B Elon paid for it so if the key metric is "Is Elon losing money?" then it's going great. (Edit: I'd be surprised if Twitter is worth even $5b now).

https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/26/23657182/elon-musk-twitter-employee-stock-grants-valuation

Or if the metric is how much revenue they're bringing in well their ad revenue (their primary source of revenue) is down a mere 89% since he took over.

https://www.thewrap.com/twitter-ad-revenue-plunges-elon-musk-bloomberg/

Or if the metric is the number of active users then it's down a mere 10% in a single year.

https://www.businessofapps.com/data/twitter-statistics/

Whether things are going great for Twitter (and Elon) is of course a matter of objectivity.

[westopher]

It may be a quantifiable failure, but as long as it's a place for faux libertarian right wingers to face no consequences, and be lauded for conspiracy theories and Jordan petersonisms, there will be people that praise their nerd god.

[supafamous]

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1649553480946786304?s=20

Curious how many people actually signed up for Twitter Blue yesterday and today? Well, I've got the numbers and I'll be telling them to @JoyAnnReid on MSNBC in ten minutes.

Here's a hint: They were net +28 between signups and cancellations. Not 2,800. Twenty-eight.

Of the 420,000 legacy verified blue checks, about 320 signed up for Twitter Blue and around 290 got rid of Twitter Blue as of about noon today, @travisbrown told me today.

Objectively, Twitter is better in pretty much any metric. Elon will make his money back on Twitter any day now.

[Hehe]

It may be a quantifiable failure, but as long as it's a place for faux libertarian right wingers to face no consequences, and be lauded for conspiracy theories and Jordan petersonisms, there will be people that praise their nerd god.

I’m not sure what you are referring. Now they have something called community notes. They make corrections on both right and left wings posts.

If anything, it’s more center weighted as no one gets to post bullshit or fake news any more. It’s just more facts.

If it bothers you that any of the posts that supported your political ideology no longer gets spread so easy as before (be it left or right), then I get why you feel it’s worse. For me, it’s way more neutral and factual than before. Instead of a whole bunch of bs from either left or right. Which I don’t support. I’m a middle person. All I care is facts. I can make judgement myself. I don’t need anyone to add any narrative to the information.

[westopher]

Yeah your "poor people are just lazy" posts are nice and balanced centre views.
I follow twitter to see better previews of only fans models than IG will show. I don't need to affirm political beliefs in my free time.

[supafamous]

If anything, it’s more center weighted as no one gets to post bullshit or fake news any more. It’s just more facts.

If it bothers you that any of the posts that supported your political ideology no longer gets spread so easy as before (be it left or right), then I get why you feel it’s worse. For me, it’s way more neutral and factual than before. Instead of a whole bunch of bs from either left or right. Which I don’t support. I’m a middle person. All I care is facts. I can make judgement myself. I don’t need anyone to add any narrative to the information.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/28/23659842/twitter-boost-elon-musk-dril-mrbeast-algorithm-accounts

Although Elon Musk has previously stated that Twitter should treat “everyone equally,” Platformer has found that the network maintains a list of users whose visibility it has secretly been boosting. The eclectic group includes a mix of high-profile figures like LeBron James and President Joe Biden, internet standbys like YouTuber MrBeast and viral Twitter account Dril, and political commentators like Matthew Yglesias and Ben Shapiro.

Some of the other interesting “VIP” users Platformer mentions include the conservative Twitter account @catturd2, Twitter investor Marc Andreessen, comedian Jaboukie Young-White, the Tesla-focused account @teslaownerssv, menswear writer Derek Guy, and a handful of other journalists.

But sure, go ahead and be a simp for Elon. Simp for Elon like this guy:

https://twitter.com/whitlockjason/status/1649372549115936768?s=61&t=xZ02bNVo78-n9I3Px8s8PA

Dude, it's $8 a month. A Big Mac and fries. Good lord, I probably use $8 a day in toilet paper.

[sonick]

Go supafamous go, keep dunking on him lol. I am enjoying this.

[unit]

its pretty much proven that right wing articles and posts drive more revenue to the platform since they are more controversial. its the same reason why all the news networks got a huge bump in traffic when trump became president. its beneficial for twitter to play the right narrative and then claim 'both sides'. both sides when it comes to things like 2A or abortion is like both siding a wolf and a sheep. these are not fair to give equal weight to.

[westopher]

"Plenty of good people on both sides" at a white supremacy rally and the counter protestors. Sounds familiar.

[Hehe]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/28/23659842/twitter-boost-elon-musk-dril-mrbeast-algorithm-accounts



But sure, go ahead and be a simp for Elon. Simp for Elon like this guy:

https://twitter.com/whitlockjason/status/1649372549115936768?s=61&t=xZ02bNVo78-n9I3Px8s8PA

Ahahaha. Since when did theverge became the impartial authority on net neutrality and how Twitter handles their algorithm?

If you are in any way literate in basic programming, I suggest to take a look at Twitter algorithm that they published on GitHub. There are many programmers who took a dive into it. So, you don’t need crazy amount of programming knowledge to understand how the algorithm behaves.

The problem nowadays is that people take what media is saying with authority. When times after time they have shown to be either biased or flat out wrong. They just want to push content that their readers want to see.

Really, education is powerful. Get yourself some basic understanding on many stuff before you start to rely on theverge for analysis.

[Hehe]

Yeah your "poor people are just lazy" posts are nice and balanced centre views.
I follow twitter to see better previews of only fans models than IG will show. I don't need to affirm political beliefs in my free time.

I didn’t say that poor people was lazy. I said most people are lazy. Myself included . Get your facts straight. You are reading my posts with a filter on. Your brain will directly add the bias that you are thinking. As the evidence shows.

And when something comes without asking, they don’t appreciate it as a tool to help them to improve their life. They think that such handout is rightfully theirs.

You want to cut those handouts? They go protest and vote for whichever party that keeps it even though the handouts are wrecking havoc in the economy.

Why do we have inflation? It’s because we created so much money out of nothing. More money, more inflation. Not very hard concept to wrap around your head. Take a look at countries without major handouts like Taiwan, Japan… etc. their inflation are hardly much more than before the pandemic. And they suffered Covid just like us.

[GLOW]

Dude, it's $8 a month. A Big Mac and fries. Good lord, I probably use $8 a day in toilet paper.


$8/day in TP? holy shit that's a lot of runs or :fappery: :pokerface:

[westopher]

Turkeys inflation is at 55% and I don't think they are printing money and giving it to the poors there.
Switzerland has a lower inflation rate than Japan and their social safety net is huge. Your causation isn't real.
Seems like inflation correlates pretty heavily with inequality and high percentages of property and wealth owned by a shrinking portion of an economic area, combined with reliance on importation of goods. Supply control mixed with demand.

[supafamous]

This you? https://twitter.com/joeymannarinous/status/1649545862509391874?s=42&t=VwXgezvHBXGGzdZwUeAfbw

Ahahaha. Since when did theverge became the impartial authority on net neutrality and how Twitter handles their algorithm?


I wouldn't want you to accuse me of asking for handouts like a poor person I pulled myself up by my bootstraps, got out of the line at the Food Bank, cancelled my welfare check and did a bit more digging: https://www.platformer.news/p/yes-elon-musk-created-a-special-system

A source that even Elon acknowledges via a meme he posted

By Monday afternoon, “the problem” had been “fixed.” Twitter deployed code to automatically “greenlight” all of Musk’s tweets, meaning his tweets will bypass Twitter’s filters designed to show people the best content possible. The algorithm now artificially boosted Musk’s tweets by a factor of 1,000 – a constant score that ensured his tweets rank higher than anyone else’s in the feed.

Internally, this is called a “power user multiplier,” although it only applies to Elon Musk, we’re told. The code also allows Musk’s account to bypass Twitter heuristics that would otherwise prevent a single account from flooding the core ranked feed, now known as “For You.”

That explains why people opening the app Monday found that Musk dominated the feed, with a dozen or more Musk tweets and replies visible to anyone who followed him and millions more who did not. Over 90 percent of Musk’s followers now see his tweets, according to one internal estimate.

Musk acknowledged his bombardment of the timeline on Tuesday afternoon, posting a version of the popular “forced to drink milk” meme in which one woman labeled “Elon’s tweets” forcibly bottle-feeds another woman labeled “Twitter” while pulling her hair back.

I know that since I'm not vaccinated from the Woke Mind virus and you are that I'm probably too dumb to understand how the left has corrupted me with handouts though so feel free to correct me.

[mikemhg]

Ahahaha. Since when did theverge became the impartial authority on net neutrality and how Twitter handles their algorithm?

If you are in any way literate in basic programming, I suggest to take a look at Twitter algorithm that they published on GitHub. There are many programmers who took a dive into it. So, you don’t need crazy amount of programming knowledge to understand how the algorithm behaves.

The problem nowadays is that people take what media is saying with authority. When times after time they have shown to be either biased or flat out wrong. They just want to push content that their readers want to see.

Really, education is powerful. Get yourself some basic understanding on many stuff before you start to rely on theverge for analysis.

That's not true. The code posted doesn't really illuminate how the algorithm actually works, and with Musk pay walling API access, it's impossible to actually deduce how its system actually functions.

https://www.wired.com/story/twitters-open-source-algorithm-is-a-red-herring/

https://www.engadget.com/what-did-twitters-open-source-algorithm-actually-reveal-not-a-lot-194652809.html

It's equivalent to capturing an enigma machine but without its cipher keys and code books. You have the machine, but can't quite confirm how exactly it works without that reference information.

[Hehe]

Turkeys inflation is at 55% and I don't think they are printing money and giving it to the poors there.
Switzerland has a lower inflation rate than Japan and their social safety net is huge. Your causation isn't real.
Seems like inflation correlates pretty heavily with inequality and high percentages of property and wealth owned by a shrinking portion of an economic area, combined with reliance on importation of goods. Supply control mixed with demand.

You need to dive deeper. Turkey might not have handout money to their people directly, they handed out money to its economy like it's free in order to bring many of the productions domestic instead of continuing to import stuff.

The problem is that, they are not very good at doing that. And when the central bank pump so much money into businesses to produce things ineffectively. That money goes into the economy one way or the other.

And when you pump so much lira into the market, while still relying on imports for many many life necessities, what do you get? Life necessities that are still being imported becomes extremely expensive, and businesses that import them need to be forward looking with their pricing. They need to make sure that if they sell one banana for 10 lira today, they need to at least be able to import another banana. And if they need 12 lira to import another banana, they will price the banana today at 12 or higher because otherwise they can't sustain the business.

Either way, the source of inflation is simple. Central bank printing too much money. They are the only one who can legally do it. And when a dollar is worth less today than it was yesterday, price gets adjusted and you get inflation.

The only true way to get inflation under control is to cut spending (or handout from government to whoever). But our government (or even the US/EU counterparts) aren't willing to do that. And what can the Fed of BoC do? They can't dictate gov't expenditure. So the only thing they can do is to raise interest rate in order to crash the economy. When people have no demand because everything is too expensive, price will have to either go down or cease to exist as a product being offered for sale.

What happens when economy goes kaput? People who are used to handouts... ask for more. Hey... the handout you are giving is no longer enough to buy all the bananas I need? You need to come up with more so I can still buy all that bananas. This is the fucked up problem with government handouts. When you give money to the people... say for them to be able to have bananas... very few actually go planning around what they can do with that money in order for them to get more bananas without problem in the future. They just go buy bananas.

[Hehe]

That's not true. The code posted doesn't really illuminate how the algorithm actually works, and with Musk pay walling API access, it's impossible to actually deduce how its system actually functions.

https://www.wired.com/story/twitters-open-source-algorithm-is-a-red-herring/

https://www.engadget.com/what-did-twitters-open-source-algorithm-actually-reveal-not-a-lot-194652809.html

It's equivalent to capturing an enigma machine but without its cipher keys and code books. You have the machine, but can't quite confirm how exactly it works without that reference information.

Oh come on... you just linked to the 2 publications that their editors have strong negative bias against Elon Musk.

Again... get some independent review of their codes and actually read into the code itself and how they behave instead of just someone with whatever bias in the middle to explain it to you.

In the link that supafamous posted... the headline reads:
Twitter is secretly boosting Elon Musk, Dril, and MrBeast for some reason

You replace the word Elon Musk, Dril and MrBeast with say Joe Biden, Democrats and BLM and the statement will still hold. It dissects "relevant" tweets in any political affiliation, believe for whatever topics and rank those tweets high to push to users who are interested in that particular topic.

Here is a decent video that dissects it in normie's term to understand:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8wCny94-_U

[supafamous]

Oh come on... you just linked to the 2 publications that their editors have strong negative bias against Elon Musk.

I know man! The only trusted source of news is Fox News right? They even just paid $787 million to Dominion Systems in a defamation lawsuit just so they could keep telling the truth without any bias and now they're gearing up to pay at least that much more to Smartmatic (if not more) because they believe in telling the truth so much that they're willing to put their money where their mouth is. Everyone else is a bunch of cowards afraid of the biased liberal citizenry - Washington Post, NYT, National Post, Globe and Mail - all just mouthpieces of Jagmeet Singh.

[Hehe]

I'm going to say this here once for all before we drag this further.

I might seem right-leaning, but the truth is, I am really at the center. I follow politicians from both sides of spectrum and reads from publications on both sides as well.

My believe is that, only by taking stories from both sides, and see the evidences myself (whenever possible), will I be able to reach a decent conclusion on any topic.

Why do I know Engadget and Wired are biased? I read them almost on a daily basis. I have them both in my bookmark and subscribed to my Apple News feed. There is a particular direction that they take in their editorial approach and all I can say is that it's certainly not neutral.

And whenever something that interests me comes up, I try to understand the same story from both sides of the argument. Don't take information for granted.

Have I even linked to any right-leaning media? Nop. Because I don't trust them just like I don't trust left-leaning media. I have always been in the middle. Dare I say slightly left in the grand scheme of things. It's just the progressive left has moved so far left, that I'm no longer on the left side of the middle point.

"Lefties" in this thread... what I suggest you to do... before you post any link to any leftie publication to even try to make an argument, try to search the very same topic on the rightie publication and see what they say about the same topic. And you will see the problem with media nowadays. They lack any specificity to the topic.

Read again to those articles you have linked. Say talking about Twitter algorithm... what do they say?

Oh... it boosts topics about righties!
But they don't say the same thing goes to topics about lefties.

Oh... Twitter published the source code of algorithm! However, we can't confirm whether there's something else going on that we don't know!

How about the fact that neither can you confirm that nothing else is going on.

They just take a part of the information and run their narrative with it.

The same reason why when I said "Most people are lazy" and Westopher interpreted as "poor people are lazy". He took the piece of information I posted, overlapped it onto his narrative, and run with it.

Is it anywhere near to what I actually posted? No. Is it fake? Not really... because I said most... and that includes poor and rich people. One needs to get to the source of it and really understand before arriving to a conclusion.

I did read through the source code posted publicly. Granted, my programming skill might not be able to understand 100% of every detail in it. But what I did get was 100% of the framework that governs the algorithm and the detail just fills all the puzzles in between. And I didn't see any evidence that favors one side or the other. And assuming that's the code that Twitter is running... the only variable is the user him/herself. It's all depends on the user's preference and content gets pushed accordingly.

[supafamous]

My believe is that, only by taking stories from both sides, and see the evidences myself (whenever possible), will I be able to reach a decent conclusion on any topic.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/08/16/NY_NYP_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVW eZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.jpg?imwidth=480

I also want to hear what the Nazis think, the good Nazis at least.

"Lefties" in this thread... what I suggest you to do... before you post any link to any leftie publication to even try to make an argument, try to search the very same topic on the rightie publication and see what they say about the same topic. And you will see the problem with media nowadays. They lack any specificity to the topic.


Only lefties would cite information that Elon himself confirms to be true like how Twitter's valuation is now less than half the purchase price or that Elon's tweets are deliberately prioritised higher than others. Only lefties would cite evidence such as ad revenues being down 89% or daily active users are down 10% year over year.

But as you say, objectively, the metrics show that Twitter is better than before even if lefties say the metrics don't show it.

Meanwhile the right is busy letting us know that not ALL of the people Elon reinstated are Nazis. Some of them are just misogynists or racists.

[Hehe]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/08/16/NY_NYP_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVW eZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.jpg?imwidth=480

I also want to hear what the Nazis think, the good Nazis at least.



Only lefties would cite information that Elon himself confirms to be true like how Twitter's valuation is now less than half the purchase price or that Elon's tweets are deliberately prioritised higher than others. Only lefties would cite evidence such as ad revenues being down 89% or daily active users are down 10% year over year.

But as you say, objectively, the metrics show that Twitter is better than before even if lefties say the metrics don't show it.

Meanwhile the right is busy letting us know that not ALL of the people Elon reinstated are Nazis. Some of them are just misogynists or racists.

Yeah yeah... it's always the tRumpet.

Lefties are complaining Elon Musk's takeover on Twitter mainly on one thing from what I can see... it no longer *support* their ideologies.

But the fact is, I find the information now found on Twitter to be much better in a sense that it's no longer pushing any particular agenda; any extreme posts, be it right or left, will get fact-checked with the source to the information.

This allows the center/neutral person like I am feel much better and much more bearable. It used to be so extreme. It's either extreme right or extreme left. And worse of all... they aren't even the truth. It's just each side taking some facts and run their own narrative with it.

That's how I feel about Twitter now.

And as far as left/right political view goes, I just support the idea that hardworking, law-abiding citizen can make a decent living. I don't like the idea of people free-riding. I FULLY support the idea of giving support for people who need help. The less privilege kids should be able to receive the education or the attention they need.

But it absolutely bothers me that we need to take (make worse) of one group of people in order to give (make better) of another group of people when there is no string attached.

What the fuck is people suppose to act when they face no consequence of their stupid actions? We are only human. We make many along many mistakes in our life. The idea is that we learn from it and prosper by not doing it again. And yet what do we get? In extreme progressive left, they are basically saying... "ok, you did something stupid when it was your chance. But how do you know the thing was stupid instead of just you?". We fucking know because we did better after not doing those stupid things.

The idea now is "to question everything". While that in itself is not wrong. It's insanity to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result. When a person is addicted to drugs, to gambling or to whatever bad stuff... we know life can be made better when you just cut out of it and become sober. Instead, they keep providing people access to those bad habits in the sake of "sympathy".

That's no fucking sympathy. That's the ideology of "I want these people to stay fucked up so we can continue to pretend we are doing something to make the world a better place".

I fully support a program to get people sober up. Have programs that deal with their issues... be it mental, social or whatever. But I don't support one bit the approach of "if we make the bar lower, then we can all pass". This is a disrespect for those who work hard to beat the bar. And just have a society where we have nothing but people who want low bars.

Look at Portland. It used to be THE city where I want to live if I didn't have to worry about anything else. It's hippie. It's fun. It's weird. Now it's just a fucked up place that I wouldn't visit unless I absolutely have to.

I still follow MLK's I have a dream speech to heart. But what we have today in America and Canada is NOT what MLK envisioned in his dream.

[SkinnyPupp]

@hehe what's your twitter?

[Hehe]

@hehe what's your twitter?

PM me if you want to follow. But it's just an account I use to read. I very rarely post on it. :alonehappy:

[sonick]

PM me if you want to follow. But it's just an account I use to read. I very rarely post on it. :alonehappy:

Maybe you should start... You'll find more like-minded folk there.

[supafamous]

https://i.imgur.com/GnhywI7.jpg

I had to look it up on Twitter just to verify that this convo really happened cause how can these Elon simps be so stupid. One guy turned his account private, presumably after getting dunked on too much.

[westopher]

Lol also who the fuck pays $50 a day for weed.

[hud 91gt]

The guy who thinks your name on a Starbucks cup is a shout-out?

[N.V.M.]

Elon ended up giving out blue check marks to celebs who would not stop whining about losing them. unbelievable. Stephen King, Bill Shatner, Charlie Sheen, Steve Martin, Mark Hamill. every one of them millionaires squawking about having to pay.

[supafamous]

https://twitter.com/maxkennerly/status/1649924555283001345?s=42&t=VwXgezvHBXGGzdZwUeAfbw

He’s adding the checkmark to dead people too. Kobe, Anthony Bourdain…

[mikemhg]

I'm going to say this here once for all before we drag this further.

I might seem right-leaning, but the truth is, I am really at the center. I follow politicians from both sides of spectrum and reads from publications on both sides as well.

My believe is that, only by taking stories from both sides, and see the evidences myself (whenever possible), will I be able to reach a decent conclusion on any topic.

Why do I know Engadget and Wired are biased? I read them almost on a daily basis. I have them both in my bookmark and subscribed to my Apple News feed. There is a particular direction that they take in their editorial approach and all I can say is that it's certainly not neutral.

And whenever something that interests me comes up, I try to understand the same story from both sides of the argument. Don't take information for granted.

Have I even linked to any right-leaning media? Nop. Because I don't trust them just like I don't trust left-leaning media. I have always been in the middle. Dare I say slightly left in the grand scheme of things. It's just the progressive left has moved so far left, that I'm no longer on the left side of the middle point.

"Lefties" in this thread... what I suggest you to do... before you post any link to any leftie publication to even try to make an argument, try to search the very same topic on the rightie publication and see what they say about the same topic. And you will see the problem with media nowadays. They lack any specificity to the topic.

Read again to those articles you have linked. Say talking about Twitter algorithm... what do they say?

Oh... it boosts topics about righties!
But they don't say the same thing goes to topics about lefties.

Oh... Twitter published the source code of algorithm! However, we can't confirm whether there's something else going on that we don't know!

How about the fact that neither can you confirm that nothing else is going on.

They just take a part of the information and run their narrative with it.

The same reason why when I said "Most people are lazy" and Westopher interpreted as "poor people are lazy". He took the piece of information I posted, overlapped it onto his narrative, and run with it.

Is it anywhere near to what I actually posted? No. Is it fake? Not really... because I said most... and that includes poor and rich people. One needs to get to the source of it and really understand before arriving to a conclusion.

I did read through the source code posted publicly. Granted, my programming skill might not be able to understand 100% of every detail in it. But what I did get was 100% of the framework that governs the algorithm and the detail just fills all the puzzles in between. And I didn't see any evidence that favors one side or the other. And assuming that's the code that Twitter is running... the only variable is the user him/herself. It's all depends on the user's preference and content gets pushed accordingly.

Wired is left leaning now? Come on, I've never heard anyone say that :lol

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/wired#:~:text=Wired%20is%20a%20news%20media,Bias%2 0Rating%E2%84%A2%20of%20Center.

It's rated as center.

You're too much bud.

[GLOW]

The guy who thinks your name on a Starbucks cup is a shout-out?

$8 is pretty cheap to hear your name screamed out loud :ifyouknow: Kappa :troll: :alone:

[sonick]

Wired is left leaning now? Come on, I've never heard anyone say that :lol

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/wired#:~:text=Wired%20is%20a%20news%20media,Bias%2 0Rating%E2%84%A2%20of%20Center.

It's rated as center.

You're too much bud.

1. Make absurd unsubstantiated claims and opinions
2. Be completely disproven with sources claiming otherwise
3. Claim the sources to be biased, regardless whether it's accurate or not.
4. Tell the other person to do their own research from unbiased sources
5. Repeat from Step 1.

[westopher]

Wired is left leaning now? Come on, I've never heard anyone say that :lol

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/wired#:~:text=Wired%20is%20a%20news%20media,Bias%2 0Rating%E2%84%A2%20of%20Center.

It's rated as center.

You're too much bud.
Center is left when you are actually far right and consider it center.

[EvoFire]

Center is left when you are actually far right and consider it center.

Everything is relative and in some cases, subjective.

Or sometimes.... You grab a handful from your asshole and... I don't know where I am going with this.

[Badhobz]

Or sometimes.... You grab a handful from your asshole and... I don't know where I am going with this.

POGGERS:ifyouknow::ifyouknow:POGGERS

awwwww yeahhh grabbing stuff from assholes

[supafamous]

https://time.com/collection/100-most-influential-people-2023/6269883/elon-musk-2023/

Time Magazine, another one of those ultra woke left wing lamestream media outlet chimes in on Elon with Kara Swisher's words.

I first met Elon Musk in 1999 when he was just another Silicon Valley techie with a startup (in his case, X.com). But he soon distinguished himself using his boundless imagination and relentless drive that has landed rockets on platforms in the ocean, pioneered the electric-vehicle revolution, and changed how we think about energy in many forms. Cool, right?

Not so much these days, because what I did not see coming a mile off was Musk’s wholesale transformation into the world’s richest online troll after his purchase of Twitter. It’s a shame, because much of what he has tried to do over his career—even if some of it is still an aspiration—has been bold and inspirational, especially compared with most of the more anodyne techies for whom a better online dating service is the peak of innovation. But under Musk’s erratic rule, Twitter has become a nonstop grievance tantrum we must all endure, and he wastes far too much of his time fiddling on his toxic violin while it burns. What’s the opposite of progress?

[underscore]

Center is left when you are actually far right and consider it center.

I met a guy irl like this recently. He legitimately thinks the Canadian Liberals are an extreme left wing party and that the Conservatives are slightly right of center.