[TypeRNammer]

That sprint was fun as hell! I hope the actual race is even half as good

The race was Formula 1 vs track limits :lawl: I'll leave it at that.

[TypeRNammer]

https://www.si.com/fannation/racing/f1briefings/news/f1-news-austrian-gp-results-after-post-race-penalties-applied-sainz-and-hamilton-down

Here are the race results after Aston Martin protested on track limits

[Hondaracer]

Damnnnn Max with that last lap pit stop perfectly executed so sick

[TypeRNammer]

2024 Formula 1 schedule is out

Along with the Canadian GP ticket sales, I dont know what the previous prices were for tickets but it has gone up a lot in price to the point where it made the news

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/formula-1-tickets-montreal-2024-1.6896713

[HonestTea]

The hotels I booked earlier, went up $2K..god damn

[FN-2199]

2024 Formula 1 schedule is out

Along with the Canadian GP ticket sales, I dont know what the previous prices were for tickets but it has gone up a lot in price to the point where it made the news

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/formula-1-tickets-montreal-2024-1.6896713

Prices for NA races are ridiculous in general, and it will only increase as the sport becomes more popular here. The fact that this year's pricing hadn't already reached festival-level pricing is actually a bit surprising.

3-day GA at Suzuka is $165 CAD. Mid-level grandstand (around turn 2) is about $450-- hoping this doesn't change abroad!

[Koflach]

Prices for NA races are ridiculous in general, and it will only increase as the sport becomes more popular here. The fact that this year's pricing hadn't already reached festival-level pricing is actually a bit surprising.

3-day GA at Suzuka is $165 CAD. Mid-level grandstand (around turn 2) is about $450-- hoping this doesn't change abroad!

for the price of some good seats in vegas plus hotel, i'd rather catch back to back races in europe and do some sight seeing over a two week stretch.

[Vancouver240sx]

^ Absolutely!! Not to mention being track side in Vegas is going to suck, not going to see the cars at all.

Rich

[SkinnyPupp]

Max does the entire lap flat out pretty much.. jeezus

[sonick]

Wowwwww McLaren P2 and P3 for the race!

Was expecting more from Albon after the FP performance but making Q3 still very decent.

[Great68]

I think Max broke Perez.

He hasn't made Q3 since his pole in Miami.

[TypeRNammer]

Love the post qualifying interview from Lando

Max ruins everything :lawl:

[SkinnyPupp]

I loved hearing the crowd cheer for local teams and drivers during Qualifying. And you could hear them deflating as Max blew away everyone at the end lol. What a fucking heel

[sonick]

Great race, Lando P2 finish! Good for him after being always so dejected about the performance of his car in the earlier races.

Albon another finish in the points, a Williams ahead of both Ferraris lol

[HonestTea]

The RBR is just too fast, I can see Max winning the rest of the remaining races, barring any DNF's.

[SkinnyPupp]

Was a good race! Hamilton really benefitted from that VSC turning into SC right as he was about to pit. Got him right up to 3rd, almost 2nd but somehow the McLarens were perfect this day even hard vs soft. Sucks for Piastri though. Total disaster for Ferrari lol..

[TypeRNammer]

For anyone that's looking for Formula 1 merchandise, they're available at The Bay in downtown Pacific Center on the 6th floor.

Limited selection but it's up to date.

When I checked it out last year, they still had the Aston Martin Red Bull merch.

[sonick]

Was a good race! Hamilton really benefitted from that VSC turning into SC right as he was about to pit. Got him right up to 3rd, almost 2nd but somehow the McLarens were perfect this day even hard vs soft. Sucks for Piastri though. Total disaster for Ferrari lol..

If you look at the timing, just before the VSC Piastri was actually on-track to undercut and pass Lando.

A pit stop was worth like 32 or however many seconds at Silverstone, and the laps before VSC the gap between Lando and Piastri was well under that.

[sonick]

Legit journalists are confirming rumours that Danny Ric will replace Nyck DeVries imminently.

https://twitter.com/ChrisMedlandF1/status/1678759552450285569?t=jyMmcN2mNp_coREV3R3TJw&s=19

Official! https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-ricciardo-to-replace-de-vries-at-alphatauri-from-the-hungarian.2yhnzxE6XpSUZwzHfr9rXp.html

[sonick]

Moar:

https://twitter.com/lawrobarretto/status/1678778943405690883?s=20

Danny Ric's times at the pirelli test would have put him on the front row. Apparently that's what clinched the deal to put him into AT.

[Teriyaki]

Moar:

https://twitter.com/lawrobarretto/status/1678778943405690883?s=20

Danny Ric's times at the pirelli test would have put him on the front row. Apparently that's what clinched the deal to put him into AT.

Checo is 100% Ralph Wiggum mode now.

[StylinRed]

Yay Danny!

Shame for DeVry though guy only got half a season, damn

[SkinnyPupp]

Surprised they put him on Alpha Tauri instead of Red Bull!

[Great68]

Who's sweating more? Tsunoda, Perez, or are they sweating equally?

If Ricciardo consistently beats Tsunoda, I could see a double whammy: The death of any hope for Tsunoda to graduate to the big Red Bull team, and Perez replacement (unless Perez gets his shit together and starts consistently finishing in 2nd place every race).

Should be very interesting. I love it!

[EvoFire]

I would think Perez is the one sweating more.

This move helps validate whether if Tsunoda is actually getting what he can from the car, it would really only help confirm how bad the AT is. Regardless Tsunoda is a Honda placement and I really don't think he'll stick around after 2025 anyways once Honda is no longer in bed with RB. I don't think he's bad but he's also not a generational talent that RB wants.
I don't think DR is in the long term driver plans, but the commercial value of having him kicking around was too good for RB to ignore so he was brought back in as a 3rd driver.

[sonick]

I think its a great strategic move for Red Bull, it opens up so many learnings and options.

Given DeVries' age, there is no benefit to giving him a longer leash, as savage as that is. They were probably hoping the experience in other cars/racing series would translate to F1 performance, but unfortunately not. Sucks for DeVries but it was the right move.

Danny's sim numbers give a good benchmark on his level vs Perez and Max.

Putting Danny against Yuki will provide a proxy measurement on how Yuki will perform vs Perez and Max.

Assuming Danny is comparable to Perez, if Danny shits the bed, it shows to RB that Yuki could most definitely outperform Perez.

If Danny is on level with Yuki, it still provides promise that Yuki could be a solid #2.

If Danny significantly outperforms Yuki, then it opens up a possible Danny-Max return.

Ultimately, I think it's also valuable for Yuki in his development now to have the learning and mentorship from Danny that he lost from Gasly, vs DeVries.

[blkgsr]

Great race, Lando P2 finish! Good for him after being always so dejected about the performance of his car in the earlier races.

Albon another finish in the points, a Williams ahead of both Ferraris lol

they would have teams orders Lando back into 2nd regardless

Moar:

https://twitter.com/lawrobarretto/status/1678778943405690883?s=20

Danny Ric's times at the pirelli test would have put him on the front row. Apparently that's what clinched the deal to put him into AT.

wasn't that in his old car not the current cars? if so then it's not a true comparison, aren't the older cars faster? regardless good to see he's still got it

[sonick]

they would have teams orders Lando back into 2nd regardless

And how spicy would that have been?

wasn't that in his old car not the current cars? if so then it's not a true comparison, aren't the older cars faster? regardless good to see he's still got it

Current cars but completely different context. Different tires, different fuel load, different track conditions.

But great storyline nonetheless.

[FN-2199]

I think its a great strategic move for Red Bull, it opens up so many learnings and options.

Given DeVries' age, there is no benefit to giving him a longer leash, as savage as that is. They were probably hoping the experience in other cars/racing series would translate to F1 performance, but unfortunately not. Sucks for DeVries but it was the right move.

Danny's sim numbers give a good benchmark on his level vs Perez and Max.

Putting Danny against Yuki will provide a proxy measurement on how Yuki will perform vs Perez and Max.

Assuming Danny is comparable to Perez, if Danny shits the bed, it shows to RB that Yuki could most definitely outperform Perez.

If Danny is on level with Yuki, it still provides promise that Yuki could be a solid #2.

If Danny significantly outperforms Yuki, then it opens up a possible Danny-Max return.

Ultimately, I think it's also valuable for Yuki in his development now to have the learning and mentorship from Danny that he lost from Gasly, vs DeVries.

Completely agree with all your points!

RB takes a very low risk here in letting Nyck go; Helmut was the one who actually pushed to have Nyck take the seat despite Horner disagreeing.
If shit hits the fan with DC, they know that the seat is open for Liam Lawson next year after he's done with super formula.

Danny Ric needs to perform well here to really prove his place within the RB family. Theoretically he should be the better driver vs Yuki purely based off of racecraft gained through experience, and apparently he's still the same pre-McLaren driver.

If Yuki outperforms him, his F1 career is done. Doesn't matter if he's in the slowest car on the track.

[sonick]

Fuckin Checo bins it lap 2 in FP1 smh. Not a good look.

[SkinnyPupp]

Should have replaced him with Danny

[sonick]

Hamilton pole!!!!!nnn!!

[sonick]

Danny Ric into Q2 out qualifies Yuki. Was looking iffy thru fp3 if he could beat Yuki they were pretty close.

[supafamous]

Perez P9, over 4/10ths back from Max. LOL

Hurry up and buyout that contract and get a real driver in there.

[Koflach]

Hamilton pole!!!!!nnn!!

It's great to see ANYONE other than Red Bull on pole. Hopefully it's a sign of parity becoming a thing.

[StylinRed]

New quali format was interesting, think it made for a more even field

Was cool to see Ham on pole even though I'm not a HamFan

Ric was so close to Q3! Nice showing his first quali back

Alfa and Mclaren are impressive!

[TypeRNammer]

Red Bull breaks a record, McLaren breaks their trophy :lawl:

https://youtu.be/dsm1jdl5sUE

[SkinnyPupp]

The McLarens are fast now! Should make for an interesting rest of season (behind Max anyway)

This is just like when I started watching, when it was inevitable Schumacher would win, so you just paid attention to who would come in 2nd LUL

But I guess it was like that with Hamilton while I was away from the sport?

Would be nice if the fight for first place was more competitive, but I guess that's just rarely the case in F1

[HonestTea]

Ridiculously hard to get Montreal F1 tickets. I wanted Grandstands 11 or 12 but ended up with Lance Stroll Grandstand for $1220.

[Gerbs]

I sat at lance stroll grandstands this year, 5th row, got to be behind the lance stroll interview! Did ya pay $1,220 each? Ours were $4xx each

[HonestTea]

I sat at lance stroll grandstands this year, 5th row, got to be behind the lance stroll interview! Did ya pay $1,220 each? Ours were $4xx each

$1220/pair, so $610 each. Still a sizeable increase from your tickets last year!

How did you like the seats?

[blkgsr]

I'm looking at going to the Japan F1 next year. planning on taking parental leave for the 5 weeks and touring Japan and either back to Thailand or Indonesia again.

[Gerbs]

$1220/pair, so $610 each. Still a sizeable increase from your tickets last year!

How did you like the seats?

Hairpin was cool to see the braking and lap 1 when everyone flies in is cool. Otherwise not much overtake or any action from the last grand prix.

That's a pricy increase! I don't think I'd go to this grand prix again though.

[Hondaracer]

I’m super tempted by the Hungarian GP as I love Budapest but going to Europe in the middle of summer.. ehhhh

[sonick]

Lol

https://twitter.com/f1trollofficial/status/1695433998644781379

[SkinnyPupp]

Crazy start to the race! Started raining halfway through the first lap!

[sonick]

Very entertaining race

[supafamous]

All the classics - Ferrari screwing it up, Perez being slow and getting sold out by his team, George Russell whinging about his lost podium, Albon being way further up the grid than he has any right to.

[Great68]

Red bull letting Max undercut Perez was probably just to save Perez the embarrassment of getting passed like he was standing still on track. Dude made up 10 seconds in 5 laps on Perez, while passing other cars for position on the way.

[Vancouver240sx]

Super fun race. Thought it was funny when Lewis was all over the team to get past George then used track position to get into the pits first.

Rich

[The Producer]

love the F1TV coverage w David Coulthard

absolutely destroying the Ferrari team for not being ready w inters after the first lap. he can barely contain his laughter

"do they think Charles wants a new set of slicks after 1 lap when it's pouring?"

[SkinnyPupp]

love the F1TV coverage w David Coulthard

absolutely destroying the Ferrari team for not being ready w inters after the first lap. he can barely contain his laughter

"do they think Charles wants a new set of slicks after 1 lap when it's pouring?"
Eh, Charles explained it pretty well later.. It all happened fast and he decided on his own to pit at the last second. Maybe as soon as someone said "heavy rain" they should have been ready, but lots of teams got caught out, including some not even pitting right away

[The Producer]

Eh, Charles explained it pretty well later.. It all happened fast and he decided on his own to pit at the last second. Maybe as soon as someone said "heavy rain" they should have been ready, but lots of teams got caught out, including some not even pitting right away

i watched him try to explain it for his team after the race.

last minute or not - they were outside the garage w the wrong tires. they grabbed the wrong ones.

[TypeRNammer]

I was watching the formula 2 highlights, just an insane amount of carnage throughout the whole race. Including one of the cars losing both rear wheels

[Hondaracer]

Eh, Charles explained it pretty well later.. It all happened fast and he decided on his own to pit at the last second. Maybe as soon as someone said "heavy rain" they should have been ready, but lots of teams got caught out, including some not even pitting right away

They were outside waiting on him with no tires..

They literally were grabbing the inters off the shelves when he came in lol.. Charles can spin it however he wants but that’s just Ferrari being Ferrari. Honestly like when’s the last time you even saw Haas have a fuck up like that

[SkinnyPupp]

i watched him try to explain it for his team after the race.

last minute or not - they were outside the garage w the wrong tires. they grabbed the wrong ones.
They had no tires, not the wrong tires. At least one other team did the same thing.. Probably most of the teams that decided to pit on the first lap, except Haas I think? They were one team that had tires ready

[The Producer]

i digress - i went back and watched the replay. the way DC described the situation and the frantic pace - including the slicks off the car sitting next to it made it look like the wrong tires were out there

can we agree that it's completely incompetent that none of the 30 people in the pits thought they might need them? i mean the crew was ready outside, they knew he was coming...it's like in the panic they forgot to bring tires.

[SkinnyPupp]

Yup they definitely should have been ready as soon as they noticed how heavy the rain was! That goes for a lot of teams though, not just Ferrari.

They fuck up plenty, and this was one of them, but I'm just saying it wasn't as egregious as commentary made it seem.

[SkinnyPupp]

Great attempt by Sainz, just needed to hold on for like 4 or 5 more laps, but the RB is just too fast with DRS. Even mid drivers can get on the podium with it.

LeClerc almost got him too, but that would have been kind of sad after such a great qualy and race only to have his teammate take 3rd LUL

Good on Sainz, driver of the day easily

[Koflach]

The fact that there was one post made about this weekends race speaks volumes to how boring this season has been. Good for Max on setting the record in a ridiculously OP car but damn, they aren't doing much for the sport. A lot of momentum was fed into F1 with Drive to Survive and the phenomenal season that was 2021 but since then it's been a snooze fest.

I know it may not be a popular thing to say but get rid of the salary cap and let the teams throw all the money in the world at their cars. The cost cap really hampers the rest of the field from trying to catch up to redbull and only hurts the sport as a whole. Shit, Williams can't even build a new wind tunnel as they can't afford to do it becuase of the cost cap.

[MarkyMark]

Yeah it's a little annoying knowing after the first race of the season that no other team is going to be able to compete with Redbull because you're limited to what you can do with the cost cap. I'm down to see rich companies push the limits and see what they are capable of.

Make it a soft cap like baseball where you can spend whatever you want but after a certain amount you pay a luxury tax that gets redistributed to the bottom teams.

[SkinnyPupp]

That seems like a good idea, but wouldn't it lead to basically one team overtaking Red Bull to be the new boring dominant team?

[MarkyMark]

Maybe, or there would be 2 or 3 teams fighting it out every year. Money doesn't automatically mean you're going to be the best, I doubt even with unlimited funds Mercedes was going to make their current car beat Red Bull this year.

[Vancouver240sx]

I think the cost cap has been a good thing personally. Yes the RB has been a step faster than the field but look at the midfield, its mayhem back there. The quali times most weekends are insanely close verses the past. A perfect example is Williams who have obviously made some VERY good choices and have been able to move up the field.

Merc not being able to claw back pace in comparison to the RB is another great example of the costcap in effect. They rolled out a really big (costly) upgrade which brought their sidepods inline with everyone else and were much more competitive right away. However that upgrade meant, due to the costcap they had less ability to develop the car throughout this year and now we're seeing teams develop past them. Without that costcap the Merc would look almost exactly like the RB for better or worse.

I like Hamilton's suggestion teams should be limited on when they focus on their next years car. RB has already said they have basically walked away from the RB19 to get ready for 2024.

Rich

[Eff-1]

I like the cost cap because it gives smaller teams like Williams and Haas a fighting chance to be competitive. You need that for sure.

But definitely F1 has an issue whereby one team becomes dominant and it's near impossible for another team to catch up. We've seen it over and over again the past 20 years. One team owns the sport for 5 - 7 years.

I think the solution is the winning team needs to be given more of a handicap going into the subsequent seasons, and the other teams have more advantage given to them.

The NFL tries very hard to create parity among teams each season, and that's what makes it exciting to watch. F1 needs to do more to create parity as well.

Like how other sports, there's a draft and the worst teams get first picks. Right now, in F1 it's basically wind tunnel time that is allocated based on finishing order. But I think they need to come up with even more than that.

[Koflach]

I like the cost cap because it gives smaller teams like Williams and Haas a fighting chance to be competitive. You need that for sure.

But definitely F1 has an issue whereby one team becomes dominant and it's near impossible for another team to catch up. We've seen it over and over again the past 20 years. One team owns the sport for 5 - 7 years.

I think the solution is the winning team needs to be given more of a handicap going into the subsequent seasons, and the other teams have more advantage given to them.

The NFL tries very hard to create parity among teams each season, and that's what makes it exciting to watch. F1 needs to do more to create parity as well.

Like how other sports, there's a draft and the worst teams get first picks. Right now, in F1 it's basically wind tunnel time that is allocated based on finishing order. But I think they need to come up with even more than that.

I really liked the idea of a luxury tax of some kind. Spend however much you want but once you go over the cap, you are heavily taxed and that money goes to the teams below the cap.

[Great68]

I think the solution is the winning team needs to be given more of a handicap going into the subsequent seasons, and the other teams have more advantage given to them.




The current F1 regs do this, the higher placed terms get less wind tunnel & CFD time over the season.

Edit: I should have Read your entire post instead of scan-reading and I just realized you mentioned this

I'm not in favor of a handicap that would impact a team's cost cap. You have to remember that F1 teams employ a lot of people, it wouldn't be right to have them constantly laying people off because of their cost cap situation

"Sorry Jason, you did so well in your job this year that we can't afford to keep you next year"

[Hondaracer]

I think you’ve gotta give max a bit more credit for RB’s performance

If max wasn’t there and it was Checo and X driver, odds are it would be much tighter than it is. The human factor seems to come into play with Checo and the majority of the rest of the field whereas max has been almost flawless the entire season. The only other driver that doesn’t really seem prone to error is Hamilton but with the car he’s had it’s hard to do anything but whine about it

[SkinnyPupp]

Max has been incredible, but I do wonder if the car was developed specifically for him? I'm not smart enough to know if that's even a thing

[Great68]

I think it's absolutely a thing. I mean I'm not sure you could design a car for a particular driver on paper, but once you have your first prototype and go into sim & testing you could totally be making changes to suit the feedback from one driver and completely ignore the feedback from the other driver.

[Eff-1]

Christian Horner directly addressed that a few days ago, here's what he said:

"It shows a total lack of understanding of how a race car and team develop, if Toto thinks that we're developing a car around a single driver.

"You develop a car to be as quick as you can and sometimes quick cars are difficult cars - that's what's historically been the case.

"I think that drivers adapt. The good drivers that you see in wet conditions, mixed conditions, varied conditions, the elite, they adapt quickly and I think that's one of his (Verstappen's) key skill sets is his ability to adapt to the feeling and the grip levels that a car gives him.

"But there's certainly no direction to say, 'oh, we tailor something to suit one specific driver', we're just trying to design and build the fastest car that that we can, that our tools, our simulation or our wind tunnel provide us with that direction."

BUT actually, if you read Alex Albon's essay in the Player Tribune, he flat out said the car is super difficult to drive and is suited to Max's style.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/alex-albon-formula-one-racing-f1

This isn’t to throw shade at anyone at Red Bull Racing or Max or anything, honestly. But the car is set up in a unique way that is built around the lead driver, and that’s Max. And, look, I totally get why. I mean, when all is said and done, he might be the greatest driver of all time. But he has a very distinct style of driving, and he likes the car set up a certain way that’s hard for a lot of drivers to sync up with. Of course, you can tinker and tweak your own car, but just the Red Bull in general is suited to Max’s style.

I like a lot of front end and nose. I’ve been teammates with George and Charles and I’ve always had way more nose than them. Basically think front-end sensitivity. And when I got into the Red Bull … I mean there was so much nose on the thing that if you blew on the wheel the car would turn. If you play Call of Duty, or a game like that, turn your sensitivity up to the highest it will go. That’s what it’s like to drive that car.

[Hondaracer]

At this point with that car though, I’m sure you can make enough adjustments where Checo would feel comfortable driving it

[Koflach]

George and Lewis driving some merc's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id7eUF62kOc

[Great68]

I don't remember seeing Lewis/Mercedes doing many of these PR driving/challenge sort of things before, so I find it cool to see him doing it now.

[Vancouver240sx]

At this point with that car though, I’m sure you can make enough adjustments where Checo would feel comfortable driving it

This is from an interview with Sergio

The hard life as Verstappen's teammate: Sergio Perez is overshadowed by Max Verstappen. The Mexican tells us in an interview how he deals with this, why the car feels different since Barcelona and what he plans for the rest of the season.

This is your third year driving for Red Bull. Looking back, how difficult was the switch from midfield team Racing Point to a top team?

It was a challenge. I came to a team where the concept of the car is significantly different from what I was used to. Both in terms of car set-up and driving style or tire management. Red Bull cars do their lap time in a different way than a Racing Point or a Mercedes. Because they are different in concept.

Is it not possible in a big team to say: Let Max drive the car the way he wants and let me drive the way that suits me best?

That's very difficult to implement. Formula 1 cars have a very narrow window in which they work. That makes it impossible to drive two completely different setups with the same basic concept. Or to change the aerodynamic balance. There are moments when I feel like I find my speed naturally, but then there are also the moments when I have to adapt and not everything goes automatically.

What have you learned most about over the past two and a half years?

How Red Bull works, what they emphasize, what they don't. It made me a more complete driver. That will help me in my further career because I've gained a wider perspective on many things.

You used to be regarded as a tire whisperer. Why do you now have more problems with tire management than Verstappen?

Because tire management works 100 percent differently in a Red Bull than in a Racing Point. You have to pay attention to completely different things. If I had known that three years ago, I would have been even better then.

It's been a pattern since you've been at Red Bull. You start the season strong, but then drop off. Why is that?

Mostly it was because the car suited me at the start of the season. Everything came about naturally. Then came the moment when I had to think more about how to drive the car to be fast. That set me back. This year, Barcelona was the turning point.

What happened there?

There was an upgrade on the car. But it would be too easy to blame it on that alone. The engineers themselves have a hard time explaining how this or that modification to the aerodynamics changed this, or that driving characteristic that one of the drivers might have a harder time with than the other. They bring upgrades to make the car faster. It did get faster. I'm the only one who had a harder time driving the car. That's happened to other drivers, too. Because a certain characteristic doesn't fit your driving style that way. Then you have to adapt. I didn't manage to do that as quickly as I should have.

Can't you correct that with the car's setup?

If you try to do that, the same thing usually happens: The car is easier for you to drive but also slower.

In Verstappen's case, the opposite apparently happened in Baku. According to him, he learned things in the race that gave him an advantage afterwards.

It has to do with how the car is balanced, how he drives it and how he conserves the tires. Whatever he found in the balance of the car, he feels comfortable in that frame.

The crash in Monte Carlo was something of a turning point for you. Why?

Because I couldn't explain the accident. And then when I came to Barcelona a few days later, I felt like I was driving a different car.

Why do you have more problems in qualifying than in the race?

When the tires are cold or the conditions change, it has more of an effect that I can't drive the car naturally. Then it subsides in the race. Because with all the tire management, it changes the way you drive the car.

So why is Red Bull's lead in the race greater than in qualifying?

Because we take better care of the tires. We seem to have found things that the others haven't. Tire management is obviously more difficult for me than for Max. I have to work my way forward in the race and attack. It's easy to overheat the tires. That's why it's very difficult to show my strength in the race. But that's in the past now.

What do you mean by that?

I've been getting on better with the car again for a few races. The difficult times are behind me, even if the conditions are difficult.

When did you achieve the turnaround?

I think the Hungarian GP was the turning point. We worked hard to find a setup so that I feel more at home in the car again. The final reckoning will be on Sunday in Abu Dhabi. If I have a good second half of the season, then what happened in between will be forgotten.

As a result of their poor grid positions, you are forced to overtake in the race. From your point of view, has it become easier with the ground effect cars?

It's definitely easier to follow other cars. But the more downforce is added, the more it gets diluted.

Is it more difficult to understand these cars?

Not more difficult. But you do have to adapt your driving style a lot. Because the cars have become much heavier, because the downforce and the tires react much more strongly when the car slips or is transverse.

How great is the pressure of sitting in the best car and having Verstappen as a teammate?

It's tough. But if you want to drive for Red Bull, you have to live with it and be very strong mentally to survive it.

If you compare your laps with those of Verstappen. Where does he win on you?

Mainly in the fast corners. But there's no clear pattern.

It's said that Verstappen doesn't have a problem with oversteer, but you do. Is that true?

Let's put it this way: when the car tends to oversteer, the distance between us increases. The other way around, I'm much closer.

What makes Verstappen so good?

We all have to appreciate what Max is doing. The level at which he's currently driving is extremely high. To deliver 100 percent every weekend, no matter what the conditions. When you're his teammate, that's hard to digest.

What is your goal for the rest of the season?

To find the form I had at the start of the season and win a few more races.

Translated via DeepL

Rich

[sonick]

The Williams' Gulf livery is fantastic

[SkinnyPupp]

RBR not looking so good in Singapore in qualifying

And yes, that Gulf Williams looks awesome

[SkinnyPupp]

Max knocked out of Q2 by Liam Lawson! LUL

With two investigations pending, for impeding other drivers on their hot laps

[Great68]

Hahaha Max so mad.

[SkinnyPupp]

Sainz
Russel
LeClerc
Norris
Hamilton

Qualifying is fun without Red Bull! KEKW

LeClerc had it but fucked up in S3

[Great68]

Should be good tomorrow

I think the track is also a lot better with the recent mods.

[Koflach]

Max knocked out of Q2 by Liam Lawson! LUL

With two investigations pending, for impeding other drivers on their hot laps

I thought he had 3 investigations against him. Whatever the case, it was a fantastic Q3 and it looks to be a really exciting race to watch tomorrow. Hopefully the rain stays away...

[Hondaracer]

Loving the gulf livery as well as the black Mclaren, looks great

Something seems up with RB, I didn’t watch the full qualifying but the weird stop in the pit exit seemed like he was waiting on somthing or he didn’t want to exit because somthing was wrong with the car hmm..

Terrible crash by Stroll fuck, with a crash like that I’d assume you are moving onto a different chassis for him? Every portion of that side that hit looked fucked

[sonick]

Disappointed and curious why Tsunoda didn't even complete a lap in Q2. I know the first one was severely impeded by Max.

Edit: looks like he made a mistake on his final lap and didn't bother finishing it and went straight to the pits.

[sonick]

Apparently no representative from AlphaTauri showed up to the stewards hearing for the Verstappen impeding incident with Tsunoda.

An unspoken case of team orders between the parent team and the junior team perhaps?

[HonestTea]

I LOVE IT

[SkinnyPupp]

Angry Max trying to rip through the midfield on this track should be quite fun

[SkinnyPupp]

Oh man Ocon having a great drive and his car just dies FeelsBadMan

[SkinnyPupp]

HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!

What a race

Watch this if you didn't see it live

[Great68]

Great and smart driving by Sainz!

[sonick]

Amazingly entertaining race. Despite not a lot of passing, the strategic and tactical moves from drivers and teams was great to watch.

If it weren't for Red Bull all season imagine that it would be this entertaining almost every race.

[Teriyaki]

Love the strategery all around here. Excellent race right till the end

[Koflach]

Easily the most entertaining race of the season, even with what happened on the last lap.

[mb_]

Amazing strategy by Sainz... Even Ferrari was stumped as to why he was letting Lando get within DRS range :lol

[TypeRNammer]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-tsunoda-and-ricciardo-to-race-for-alphatauri-in-2024.4IaMzYxZMeOSG6qw1FOXJn.html

Danny Ric and Yuki confirmed for 2024 season

That means Liam Lawson is on the sidelines unless Williams decides to dump Logan.

[Koflach]

ugh, RB is back. And now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[roastpuff]

McLaren did pretty good, interested in seeing their race pace.

[TypeRNammer]

ugh, RB is back. And now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

And Logan binning it once again.

[SkinnyPupp]

Max's Q3 was insane

Good job by the McLarens

And happy for Tsunoda not only making it to Q3 at Suzuka but qualifying above Alonso. Hope he can get some points

[Koflach]

Super impressed with Oscar for getting P2!

But dayum, nearly 6/10ths of a second gap between Max and Oscar. That is beyond impressive.

[sonick]

Very relieved to see Yuki with a solid quali, especially after they announced his return next year. Would have been tough to see Lawson outqualifying Yuki after that.

[Hondaracer]

I like Piastri, he’s been really killing it last 5-6 races

Feel bad for Seargant, given his damages over the season and overall performance, could see him being replaced

[SkinnyPupp]

SC on first corner

I can see Perez getting a penalty

[SkinnyPupp]

George and Lewis decided to say forget strategy and just race each other for this GP

[SkinnyPupp]

Mercedes WutFace

If they wanted to finish 5-6 they should have left Hamilton in the back, he could fight off Sainz better. Either that or do the swap sooner, and not when LeClerc was over 5 seconds ahead.

Tough position though either way

Love Sainz on the radio EleGiggle

[EvoFire]

Russell was too slow imo. If they kept Lewis behind they would have lost both positions. It did look like Sainz was dropping off on the final lap, but I didn't think Lewis would have been able to hold off for that long while being slowed down.

WTF is Perez doing? Actively driving himself out of the seat. And I'd think Sargeant is done. Williams would be better off with Mick or DeVries or if they can, woo Lawson over.

[sonick]

Yep fucking Perez with another dive bomb at a hairpin this race taking out another car.

Great drive for Piastri.

Russell overestimating his driving again thinking he could go for a one-stop. Decision probably tanked Merc's results.

[Hondaracer]

The way Sainz passed Russel when they eventually swapped places, would agree with Evo that Sainz probably would have taken both spots, maybe even at the same time if they had tried to keep Russel ahead and Hamilton behind getting DRS

Was pretty funny listening to them go back and forth trying to say that and then Sainz realizing what they were trying to do lol

[Vancouver240sx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UuZ5-40w0Y

I'm not a Stroll hater, but heh

Rich

[Great68]

I don't hate Stroll, but I do think that objectively he's one of the worst drivers on the grid and he's holding back Aston Martin. He's had 5 seasons now, he's not showing any massive improvements in skill.

However, if him driving is what keeps Daddy Stroll's money funneling into the team and sport, then so be it.

[ssjGoku69]

Saw this on reddit. It's a long shot that Sargeant will be on the grid next year

https://i.imgur.com/pk6jfGx.png

[Hondaracer]

It’s kind of amazing more people don’t have serious crashes

[EvoFire]

Kind of crazy how big the split in damages between the two drivers are for RB and AMR, considering none of them are rookies.

[The Producer]

it's lance's own money - he doesn't care. and he sucks.

Checo is having some kind of a breakdown.

Can Williams make a play for Lawson? I know their american backers want an american driver, but Logan sucks too.

[Vancouver240sx]

From what I've read the rumor is Lawson signed as 3rd driver in 2024 with a guaranteed drive in 2025. In my opinion it makes much more sense to stay in the RB family.

Rich

[sonick]

From what I've read the rumor is Lawson signed as 3rd driver in 2024 with a guaranteed drive in 2025. In my opinion it makes much more sense to stay in the RB family.

Rich

I think if given the choice between staying with RB or going to Williams, I would go to Williams and be Albon's teammate.

Williams seems to be on an upswing in terms of their car and feel that they are less cutthroat than RB, also less of a backlog of drivers.

That is, assuming Williams was even an option for Lawson.

[The Producer]

In my opinion it makes much more sense to stay in the RB family.

does it? until Max retires they're all just scrapping over number 2. We only see what the media feeds us, but it also seems like a shitty atmosphere to work in.

Maybe it's a good deal tho. Guaranteed seat 2025? If they don't have one, maybe you make a move w some cash in your pocket.

I think Williams would be sweet though - and it's a proven pathway towards Merc. Lewis won't race forever.

[HonestTea]

Williams with Vowles at the helm is a pretty good place to be but fighting for podiums is always going to be better than fighting for points.

[Vancouver240sx]

Who knows if the Williams seat is even on offer, its just the only seat that doesn't have a confirmed contract for 2024.

If Lawson is confident (they all are VERY confident in themselves); perhaps he sees himself next to Max in 2026. It looks to me like Perez could be out anytime, best guess is they move Danny up (Yuki just isn't there) and Liam could have an eye on that seat after a year with AT.

But who fucking knows, if one driver (such as alonso) moves at the top it could all go sideways.

Rich

[Hondaracer]

Yea RB is in a bit of a tough spot

Do you want to give that top car to a rookie which would probably be a good arrangement for max, or do you want another half ass mid range drive to maintain some points, albeit Checo hasn’t really been doing that even

[The Producer]

Yea RB is in a bit of a tough spot

Do you want to give that top car to a rookie which would probably be a good arrangement for max, or do you want another half ass mid range drive to maintain some points, albeit Checo hasn’t really been doing that even

lol - he's second on the world championship, which is defacto number 1 when you simply treat the entire championship as 19 drivers + autopilot Max

Checo is blowing it for sure, but he'll prob still finish at the top.

Danny Ric left RB for this exact reason. I just don't see the motivation to go work for a company that makes it publicly clear that your job title is Chief Fluffer

[Vancouver240sx]

I don't understand this line of thinking that the team plays favorites. Lets say Lawson makes his way to RB next to Max and Lawson is faster and wins a DWC. Is he now the favorite? The faster of the two drivers will, of course, get more say in aspects of the team, such as direction of balance of a car, AS THEY SHOULD.

Look back at previous team/driver dominance, the winning driver NEEDS a solid 2nd. It isn't favoritism its performance.

Rich

[The Producer]

nobody in this generation of drivers will be faster than Max at this time - no matter what car they are in. he's in his absolute prime - RB is his team.

if you want to be the number 2 team driver, that's fine. Checo took that deal - even if he told himself differently. Valteri took that deal for years too. Danny Ric saw that deal and at the time nope'd right out of there because of it.

if you want to be the number 1 team driver, you've got a better shot at it at 9 other teams.

the next driver that will be better than Max is probably 12 years old right now, lives in a sim - and he's probably already in the RB pipeline.

incoming sports cliche: Generational Talent. is Liam Lawson one? I doubt it. In some bizarro world where it was me, I'd be more stoked to go drive for another team - especially one with Williams history.

[Eff-1]

I agree with most of what you said, but where I think RB is different is that there is clearly something built into the car's design that is perfect for Max but difficult for every other driver.

I don't have actual data but anecdotally, I recall other teams with an elite number 1 driver to have a lot of 1-2 finishes. Think about how many times you saw the following combos regularly finish 1-2:

Hamilton/Bottas
Hamilton/Rosberg
M Schumacher/R Schumacher
Vettel/Webber

But with Max, there's always been a wider gap in performance between him and his teammate.

So you're right, if you sign up as a number 2, there are some concessions you'll have to make. But this current RB situation is one I think is unique for different reasons due to the nature of their car being harder for anyone to drive besides Max.

[Vancouver240sx]

Yes I think you're right, Newey and RB have made a car that fits Max's specific style VERY well. He is able to exploit a VERY small window that the car has and it is VERY fast within that window.

Because he's able to exploit that trait, it allows the team to develop down that path further. This is very similar to the perfect storm of Vettel's dominance with the blown floor.

The team will be more likely to follow a development path that allows the faster driver to win rather than compromising for the slower of the two.

Rich

[Spoon]

the next driver that will be better than Max is probably 12 years old right now, lives in a sim - and he's probably already in the RB pipeline.


Max has the talent, and more importantly a head start compared to his peers since he's been in F1 since age 17.

You can't pair him up with older drivers since sim racing's likely not part of their routine. That's likely why RB's been trying to recruit Lando for the longest time. If that McLaren ever catches up, it'd be great for F1.

[TypeRNammer]

https://youtu.be/ra8E2whNNac?si=o7AaYNMhD3r-NZKK

Overtake! Episode 1 is finally released today, a quick Google search will lead you to a subbed episode on daily motion

It's a Japanese anime based on Formula 4.

EDIT: So far one of the characters labelled their drivers as number one and number two :lawl:

[Hondaracer]

Awesome sprint race, way to go Oscar, great drive

[SkinnyPupp]

Fun sprint but shootout was annoying as they narrowed a corner by 80cm and everyone kept losing laps - even Max!

[Hondaracer]

Boring race on a garbage track.

Might have been the worst race of the season really

[HonestTea]

Another snoozer race but Piastri is the real deal.

[Koflach]

I am getting sick and tired of hearing about Felipe Massa and his lawsuit to overturn the 2008 championship results. Does he really think that he has a chance to win this? Yes, Renault purposely crashed their second car to get a safety car but that didn't cause Felipe to lose that race, Ferrari was at fault for Felipe losing that race. Ferrari released him with the fuel hose still attached to the car, this is what took him out of the running to win that race. Lots of other teams had to stop for fuel, including Mclaren, and they were able to complete their stop without issue.

Stop blaming Renault when it was Ferrari's fault for Massa losing the championship.

[sonick]

Red bull starts p6 and p9 on Sunday wowww

[The Producer]

COTA so good. not 100% sure i love sprint weekends, but I'm not complaining.

friends are in the turn 14 GS - wish i was there too.

[sonick]

Jesus nearly 10 second gap on a 19 lap race for Max, half a second per lap gain insane.

[The Producer]

it only looked close for a couple of laps because they were fkn around.

[Koflach]

Jesus nearly 10 second gap on a 19 lap race for Max, half a second per lap gain insane.

Once Lewis realized he couldn't pass Max, it was all about keeping second place. Manage the tires and keep a healthy gap to 3rd place.

[sonick]

Man the last few laps Lewis was gaining ground on Max at each turn. If. Only there were 3 or 5 more laps.

So many what ifs with pit strategy, if Hamilton pitted a few laps earlier or if they nailed the pit stop.

Hamilton 12 pts behind Checo, imagine if Checo loses P2 in Mexico next week.

[snowball]

Man the last few laps Lewis was gaining ground on Max at each turn. If. Only there were 3 or 5 more laps.

So many what ifs with pit strategy, if Hamilton pitted a few laps earlier or if they nailed the pit stop.

Hamilton 12 pts behind Checo, imagine if Checo loses P2 in Mexico next week.

cant wait to hear about the brake issues, max was losing so much time the last 5 laps

[TypeRNammer]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-hamilton-and-leclerc-disqualified-from-united-states-grand-prix-for.10nvuyvEPfMgoeWxWOhw0a.html

Breaking news, Lewis and Charles are disqualified due to the skid pads on the plank

[The Producer]

gonna be some spicy protests

[HonestTea]

Good that Lewis didn't have enough laps to get the win or else it would've been devastating getting DSQ'd and the win taken from you.

[sonick]

Danny Ric 2nd rowwww!

Third wheel between max and checo lol

[Koflach]

Checo had quite the oof on lap 1.

[The Producer]

as far as 2023 races go, this one was entertaining. quite a few passes, mishaps, shenanigans.

I thought there would be more tire drama at the end. Lewis pulling fastest lap on spent mediums at the end :drunk:

[TypeRNammer]

I was so pissed about Yuki trying to make an optimistic pass on Oscar on the outside

Would have been double points finish for Alpha Tauri

[HonestTea]

There's no way Perez gets to keep his seat for '24, right?!

[EvoFire]

I was pissed off last week when Hamilton was DQed, but accepted that they fucked up. I was just mad that chasing 10 points every race was close to impossible with 4 races to go.

Then what do we see? Checo crashes out on his home race and it's now 20 points and 3 races to go. The chase is on!

[sonick]

Hot goss from will Buxton currently

https://twitter.com/wbuxtonofficial/status/1718814388872679705

https://twitter.com/wbuxtonofficial/status/1718814835377385752

https://twitter.com/wbuxtonofficial/status/1718846654323822623

Seems like Checo might be out

[TypeRNammer]

Let's not forget Lando had a monster race, absolutely went beast mode starting from the bottom, and having a bad start after the red flag.

[mb_]

Lando totally scenario 7'd his way through the field

[Dbone]

Checo had quite the oof on lap 1.

I just arrived home after going to the F1. I was in the stadium (driver's left).

The whole place was buzzing all weekend and I'd say 90% of the spectators and basically every local who could afford a ticket was there to cheer him on. But when Checo pulled into the pits after his off it was deathly quiet. Everyone was holding their breath waiting for him to move... then despair when he switched off.

But the beer and tequila kept flowing, people settled into watching the race for what it was and it was still a good time.

The street food was amazing too.

[SkinnyPupp]

Pretty fun race. Amazing pass by Hamilton, and he goes on to finish 10 seconds ahead of 3rd on those mediums, AND gets fastest lap on the final lap! Amazing driver

I really wish Verstappen wasn't such a bot, and we could see him fighting for places more often instead of just leaving everyone behind. Good on him of course. He doesn't need to have any controversy to become a legendary driver.

[SkinnyPupp]

Loved LeClerc's reaction to seeing Hamilton's pass on him

https://i.imgur.com/bBN3b49.png

And Max reacting to Tsunoda's attempt, saying it was the "same" as Perez's

[EvoFire]

^ I'm curious how Hamilton's cornrow bun fits in the helmet, or does he just let it all down?

[SkinnyPupp]

^ I'm curious how Hamilton's cornrow bun fits in the helmet, or does he just let it all down?
LUL I think he wears it down when the helmet goes on

[TypeRNammer]

Pretty decent sprint race today

Max with a monster reaction at the start of the race

Glad Yuki showed some patience and reeled in a couple of important points, making Alpha Tauri a firm 8th position in the constructors

[The Producer]

kind of boring race (after the dramatic start) followed by the most exciting finish of the year

that's kind of where F1 has been this year. We're not talking about exciting races, just tiny exciting moments.

https://i.redd.it/klq5eqr19kyb1.jpg

[sonick]

Fuckin Alonso what a drive

[Spoon]

Just found this on YouTube.

Looks promising. :notbad:

https://youtu.be/fD6V9l4gOGE?si=U-fi9h0jwKzjckjF

[The Producer]

ya - been waiting for this. november 15th.

FYI it will be on Disney+ in Canada

[Koflach]

Just found this on YouTube.

Looks promising. :notbad:

https://youtu.be/fD6V9l4gOGE?si=U-fi9h0jwKzjckjF

It should be a good watch to find out more surrounding the very controversial double diffuser that Brawn GP was dominating with.

[HonestTea]

I'd recommend everyone watch the Brawn GP story, it was such a fairy tale story with an amazing ending!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gupnupzULGY

[sonick]

Weekend warm-up for the Vegas GP. Guess who's the Canadian?

https://i.imgur.com/fxtVKWk.jpeg

[FN-2199]

Embarrassing FP1.

Vegas: 99% show, 1% racing

(I won't lie, the opening ceremony was pretty good though)

[sonick]

Embarrassing FP1.

Vegas: 99% show, 1% racing

(I won't lie, the opening ceremony was pretty good though)

Lol clown show manhole covers flying up into the car wrecking chassis.

[Koflach]

https://x.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1725387543716249758?s=20

[Great68]

It's a water valve box cover, and it actually looks like the metal sleeve that casts into the concrete is what failed

https://i.redd.it/31xczhhj9u0c1.png

That would have been a tough one to foresee.

I thought the track otherwise looked pretty amazing.

[sonick]

F1 to Carlos Sainz: Sorry we fucked your car, here's a 10 place grid penalty.

[Great68]

Yeah feel bad for Sainz.

The stewards' hands were tied, the rulebook literally did not allow any exceptions for his circumstances (apparently they went through rulebook for 3 hours trying to find one)
And you know that if they tried breaking the rules to make an exception, the other teams would have protested.

Hopefully they can amend the rulebook for cases like this in the future.

[HonestTea]

I feel bad for all the people that paid good money and attended FP1/2, and waiting 4hrs before getting kicked out at 1:30 AM before FP2 started.

[Dbone]

A friend of mine was there this week on business. Couldn't stay for the weekend, but though he'd at least check out FP1.

:rukidding:

[sonick]

I feel bad for all the people that paid good money and attended FP1/2, and waiting 4hrs before getting kicked out at 1:30 AM before FP2 started.

Feel bad for everybody except Liberty Media. Everybody involved has been screwed one way or another except the owners trying to wring maximum profit from the whole clown show.

[pastarocket]

FIA should cancel the penalty against the Ferrari. Although I am not a fan of Ferrari, it is unfair to put a 10 place grid penalty on that team when it is an obstacle on the track, an external factor, which Ferrari cannot control.

How the heck does the top level of motorsport not put more effort into addressing safety issues on a track to ensure that all drivers are safe?

This incident is an embarrassment to F1. Turning the Vegas Grand Prix into Mario Kart. LUL

Do track marshals not do a track walk to identify any track obstacles?



FIA should cancel the penalty. There needs to be changes to the rulebook. External factors such as loose drains, other track obstacles that damage a car should not result in grid penalties for all teams in future races.

It cost a fortune to repair the damages to Ferrari's car.

[Teriyaki]

This incident is an embarrassment to F1. Turning the Vegas Grand Prix into Mario Kart. LUL




Didn't you hear Toto, this is nothing! No one in Europe was watching anyways so how dare you call it an embarrassment.

[Great68]

Apparently the issue was that they could no longer keep people in the stands as they couldn't force staff needed to run the event and do the critical stuff to stay any longer. That IS understandable, but they should have made a call kick everyone out MUCH sooner, like immediately after FP1.
Not have people sitting and waiting for hours for a delayed FP2 and then realizing "Shit we're not going to be able to keep people here".

They seriously have to refund money for any and all of last night's tickets if they want any recovery from this.

[Great68]

FIA should cancel the penalty against the Ferrari. Although I am not a fan of Ferrari, it is unfair to put a 10 place grid penalty on that team when it is an obstacle on the track, an external factor, which Ferrari cannot control.

How the heck does the top level of motorsport not put more effort into addressing safety issues on a track to ensure that all drivers are safe?

This incident is an embarrassment to F1. Turning the Vegas Grand Prix into Mario Kart. LUL

Do track marshals not do a track walk to identify any track obstacles?



FIA should cancel the penalty. There needs to be changes to the rulebook. External factors such as loose drains, other track obstacles that damage a car should not result in grid penalties for all teams in future races.

It cost a fortune to repair the damages to Ferrari's car.

Not sure if you didn't read my post, but they literally can't. There is no rule that allows them to do this, and you can't change the rulebook mid-season. Trying to do so would launch an immediate protest from the other teams.

[FN-2199]

Honestly in the grand scheme of things, this has happened in the past and more than anything, if there's any blame to be passed around it should sit with the FIA and F1 for not having any regulations in place for incidents that involve track irregularities such as this.
The fact that there isn't a way to mitigate the financial repercussions for damage to a car for a very track-specific problem is ridiculous. If this happened to Williams, they'd be broke.

Hats off to Liberty Media though, it's no small feat to turn Vegas into a street circuit; I'm sure that the drama from FP1 will only help strengthen the fanbase here in NA.

Netflix is drooling right now lol

[sonick]

Not sure if you didn't read my post, but they literally can't. There is no rule that allows them to do this, and you can't change the rulebook mid-season. Trying to do so would launch an immediate protest from the other teams.

All the teams, except for one ("one who is in the fight for P2") tried to make a case for giving Ferrari an exemption to the rule.

[Great68]

All the teams, except for one ("one who is in the fight for P2") tried to make a case for giving Ferrari an exemption to the rule.

Right, so you see the exact problem? There is big money at stake for championship standings.

Like I said in an earlier post, hopefully they'll change this for the future. Right now, unfortunately they have to live with it.

This is no different from FIFA changing the rules around when a ball hits a referee and results in a possession change leading to a major scoring chance or goal in 2019... Up until then a ref was considered part of the "field of play" and if the ball bounced off him and into the net, that was life and had to be accepted. After the rule change, play is now stopped and a drop ball is given.

[sonick]

Right, so you see the exact problem?

Like I said in an earlier post, hopefully they'll change this for the future. Right now, unfortunately they have to live with it.

This is no different from FIFA changing the rules around when a ball hits a referee and results in a possession change leading to a major scoring chance in 2019...

Fair but pointing out that it's moreso about the rulebook and the ruling body not wanting to set a precedent by making an exception (not should they) and less because the other teams would protest Ferrari from getting the exemption.

[The Producer]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231118/3e98914d7a459b8140b513763e60e180.jpg


f1troll is more entertaining than actual F1


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[Hondaracer]

After all the trash talking etc. kinda figured this would be a big shit show but watching the qualifying last night, man this is a cool track

That shot of the track running up the strip is incredible, and that last sweeping corner is crazy. Hopefully see a good race tonight

[EvoFire]

Maybe just the way the camera pans and also limitations of street circuits, but it feels very Singapore.

[Hondaracer]

I don’t think Ferrari will be able to top Max once they are actually racing but would nice to see Ferrari compete if they can find speed on the straights

Also would love to see Sargeant do somthing

[snowball]

Maybe just the way the camera pans and also limitations of street circuits, but it feels very Singapore.

They didn't make it showy enough with the lighting of most of the buildings. Minus the sphere and a couple of buildings here and there it doesnt even look like its in Vegas. I was expecting them to have rainbow colours projecting into the sky everywhere and every building lit like it was Cyberpunk or something.

[pastarocket]

Lando Norris crashes out during lap four.

Back end of his McLaren car just went out from him.


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[pastarocket]

-got a good laugh from hearing Mercedes radio during the race “George, go for P4”.

The race announcers were surprised to hear that radio message.

Mercedes forgot about the 5 second penalty to Russell after his car hit Verstappen. :lawl:


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[pastarocket]

LeClerc had a really good race. -got second place with a superb move on Perez on the last lap.


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[sonick]

Watched the race without audio at a bar but even then really exciting entertaining race

[HonestTea]

What a move by Chuck on the last lap!

[SkinnyPupp]

Stopped watching Vegas after Max got basically no penalty and talked shit on the radio about it. I watch a lot of sports and don't often get mad at athletes, but fuck I hate that arrogant little cunt.

[Great68]

Great race! Silenced a lot of the hate it was getting (which IMO was so dumb).

The penalty Max received was consistent with what would have been applied to any other driver in the same situation. Yeah he's just faster so he overcame it.

Unless people think scaling penalty severity with the speed of someone's car would be more fair.

[SkinnyPupp]

Great race! Silenced a lot of the hate it was getting (which IMO was so dumb).

The penalty Max received was consistent with what would have been applied to any other driver in the same situation. Yeah he's just faster so he overcame it.

Unless people think scaling penalty severity with the speed of someone's car would be more fair.
I've seen drivers have to give the spot back up if they overtake by pushing someone off the track. I don't know how they choose how much to penalize them

[Koflach]

Considering Lewis had the incident at turn one and the puncture, he really had a strong race. If it hadn't been for either of those, he would have been fighting for a podium.

[Vancouver240sx]

I've seen drivers have to give the spot back up if they overtake by pushing someone off the track. I don't know how they choose how much to penalize them

The 5 second penalty hurt him more than just giving the spot back. Max would have won by a bigger margin, at least the 5s put him further back in the field and he had to work for the win.

One of the better races of the year, I think it highlights the need for f1 cars to have less grip and braking performance.

rich

[Great68]

I've seen drivers have to give the spot back up if they overtake by pushing someone off the track. I don't know how they choose how much to penalize them

They explained that the race directory and stewards don't actually tell teams/drivers to give places back, they leave that for the teams/drivers to decide.

If they don't give the place back then the incident is referred to the stewards who decide if there was a penalty. If they find there was, that's when they apply the time penalty.

In the end I agree with Vancouver240sx, it really made no difference to the overall race. Ferrari's mistake was not pitting Leclerc at the second safety car.

[SkinnyPupp]

They explained that the race directory and stewards don't actually tell teams/drivers to give places back, they leave that for the teams/drivers to decide.

If they don't give the place back then the incident is referred to the stewards who decide if there was a penalty. If they find there was, that's when they apply the time penalty.

In the end I agree with Vancouver240sx, it really made no difference to the overall race. Ferrari's mistake was not pitting Leclerc at the second safety car.
It doesn't matter anyway, because the point is he's a cunt

[Koflach]

Max should have gotten at least a 10 second penalty, something with teeth. All that Max has learnt is that he can keep doing these stupid things and outrun the penalty so it is meaningless. Give him a stop an go or something with teeth as the guy keeps doing stupid shit like this.

[Great68]

Nah sorry, the severity of the offence should dictate the assigned penalty. This is fair.

This was a 5 second in-race penalty all day long for any driver that would have done it.

Chronic offenders are dealth with by the driver penalty point system, Max received two points on his license for this one. If he "does this shit all the time" then he should be racking up those penalty points.

[Vancouver240sx]

Max spitting facts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLALrHjALHk

rich

[Koflach]

Nah sorry, the severity of the offence should dictate the assigned penalty. This is fair.

This was a 5 second in-race penalty all day long for any driver that would have done it.

Chronic offenders are dealth with by the driver penalty point system, Max received two points on his license for this one. If he "does this shit all the time" then he should be racking up those penalty points.

If you're going to try and quote me, then quote what I said. I said "the guy keeps doing stupid shit like this" because he does. He has a history of forcing people off the line because he puts his elbows in there and gives them no choice but crash or give up the corner. Here is some evidence of him doing it throughout his career. The guy is clown shoes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HItx9q4GLJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhrAgoHCoyo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkAoSghdD6Y

Most drivers have had issues early in their careers while learning the ropes of being an F1 driver but Max has been in F1 for 8 years now and is still doing stupid things like this.

[Hondaracer]

Don’t want it to happen to you? Then get in front of him

If the commentators can’t decide whether he was ahead on the apex there, then I’ll trust their judgement over you guys? lol

[SkinnyPupp]

Don’t want it to happen to you? Then get in front of him

If the commentators can’t decide whether he was ahead on the apex there, then I’ll trust their judgement over you guys? lol
The stewards determined he was not, which is why he received a penalty.

[Hondaracer]

But it wasn’t enough to give the place back, as explained in the broadcast

I would have loved for him to get a 10+ second penalty for entertainment purposes but the end result would be the same regardless.

Leclrec braked earlier and Max had his nose out front, better response from the go and better line. If it was anyone but max you wouldn’t be bitching about it

[SkinnyPupp]

Edit nevermind, need to learn not to respond to useless trolls.

[Great68]

Most drivers have had issues early in their careers while learning the ropes of being an F1 driver but Max has been in F1 for 8 years now and is still doing stupid things like this.

Your videos are really irrelevant to me. I don't support Max, but I support fair application of rules as it occurs in the race where the offence is committed. Like I already said, chronic offenders are dealt with by the point system. The stewards over the years have obviously not agreed with your assessment of Max's driving.

[The Producer]

solid offseason content here:

Chris Harris goes into depth w the FW13B (in preparation for sale on his own website which is brilliant cross promotion) w Jon Williams (Frank's son)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEt36u4KJuk