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Shop recommendations for PPF or Ceramic Coating?
Anyone have some recommendations for PPF or Ceramic Coating? Thanks
JDMDreams
02-14-2023, 01:57 PM
No to PPF, but Avalon king yourself? Ceramic coatings seem pretty much apply and wipe off these days. As long as your paint is clean and ready to apply.
whitev70r
02-14-2023, 02:11 PM
Yah, I saw a mobile guy who did it and I'm thinking to myself, why are they charging >$600-700? And it's this little itty bitty bottle of stuff ... must be liquid gold or something!
immorality
02-14-2023, 02:51 PM
Autowerkes Exclusive did my car (ceramic coat) many years ago and it's still great.
Razor Ramon HG
02-14-2023, 03:41 PM
I think a spray on like Gyeon Cancoat works well as a ceramic coating alternative if you don't mind reapplying it every 6 months as part of your wash.
I used to have to clay bar the rust spots in my clear coat. My most recent wash after applying the stuff, everything just comes off with the rag.
I also applied a different product to my wheels (Gyeon Rim) and brake dust just comes right off with soap and a brush. No need for any special wheel cleaners.
Of course, none of this gives you protection from paint chips and light scratches like PPF does.
Protex does great work on cambie
Bender Unit
02-14-2023, 04:33 PM
PMed
roastpuff
02-15-2023, 07:13 AM
I got my car done (PPF + Ceramic) at AutoWerkes Exclusive - great work like always!
Another vote for Autowerkes Exclusive
whitev70r
02-15-2023, 07:49 AM
Never even heard of PPF until this and googled it a bit. Q: What is the ballpark cost for PPF for a sedan? Let's say the most basic package, hood, bumpers, mirrors? Are we looking at $500, $1000, or more?
roastpuff
02-15-2023, 07:54 AM
Never even heard of PPF until this and googled it a bit. Q: What is the ballpark cost for PPF for a sedan? Let's say the most basic package, hood, bumpers, mirrors? Are we looking at $500, $1000, or more?
I got charged $2000 roughly for full front clip + mirrors, but a major cost of that is the prep required - you want the paint to be as good condition as possible so at least a one-stage paint correction is done before using the PPF.
Basically a deep clean wash/decontamination, clay bar, cut/polish to remove all the previous scratches/swirls before using PPF otherwise you're just sealing in all the shitty with the PPF. Helps if your car is new but the dealers often swirl the shit out of the paint getting it ready for delivery. A lot of guys ask the dealer to not even take off the white transport wrap if the car is delivered from the factory.
The cost of the materials isn't much, but the amount of labour to get it applied right is a lot. I've seen some shitty hack jobs where the PPF is crooked, bubbled, and otherwise terribly done.
EDIT: I want to say about $1500-2000 is average depending on what car and who does the install. Teslas are cheaper because less holes to deal with in the front clip IIRC.
EvoFire
02-15-2023, 09:02 AM
MM design
SSM_DC5
02-15-2023, 11:50 AM
Never even heard of PPF until this and googled it a bit. Q: What is the ballpark cost for PPF for a sedan? Let's say the most basic package, hood, bumpers, mirrors? Are we looking at $500, $1000, or more?
Paint Protection Film ? Autowerkes Exclusive (http://www.autowerkesexclusive.com/paint-protection-film#xpel-banner)
Listed right on the site. He's on the pricier side, but I consider him as a you get what you pay for. So when I go with the cheaper option, I don't feel as bad when it's not perfect. I used him for ceramic coating about 10 years ago, I'm pretty certain the coating is long gone.
roastpuff
02-15-2023, 12:12 PM
Ken is a wizard at hiding the cut lines on the PPF though - you look at my car and you wouldn't know that it was PPFed until you're like 5-6 inches away. I've seen someone's Tesla where they did the hood in 2 pieces and you can REALLY see the seam from 5-6 FEET away. I was flabbergasted the owner was ok with it.
MarkyMark
02-15-2023, 12:40 PM
If money is no object Ken at Autowerkes is the guy.
roastpuff
02-15-2023, 01:22 PM
If money is no object Ken at Autowerkes is the guy.
Money no object = ProjectDetail, they're more expensive.
BlackV62K2
02-15-2023, 02:23 PM
Autowerkes prices aren't too bad. I got a quote from Ken and Roman from RDI and RDI is more expensive for the exact same thing. Both are highly rated from what I've read
SSM_DC5
02-15-2023, 02:57 PM
Wow. Autowerkes is the cheapest out of the 3.
For a full PPF wrap it's 5k at Autowerkes, 6k at RDI, 7.5k at project detail. Anyone seen work from more than 1 of them?
Badhobz
02-15-2023, 08:22 PM
wrapworkz wants 7.5k for a full PPF (same guys who did my wrap).
Try Vancity Vinyl. the boss is Jacky and he's a really outstanding guy. he did my brake calipers for 350 bucks and im sure he can do your PPF for a great price. He also does wraps and can do them around 4k for 3m stuff.
https://vancityvinyl.com/
Bender Unit
02-15-2023, 09:08 PM
Try Vancity Vinyl. the boss is Jacky and he's a really outstanding guy. he did my brake calipers for 350 bucks
https://vancityvinyl.com/
What did you do to your Brake Calipers ?
roastpuff
02-15-2023, 11:16 PM
What did you do to your Brake Calipers ?
He got fake Brembo covers put on
twitchyzero
02-16-2023, 04:54 AM
if i get a new mtb this spring i wanna wrap it lol
anyone know the cost for that?
supafamous
02-16-2023, 05:40 AM
Anyone have some recommendations for PPF or Ceramic Coating? Thanks
I had RDI Detailing do my RDX (twice) and have been very happy with the work. Roman is a good guy, easy to work and communicate with. No PPF, just ceramic I my case (get the wheels done - makes a huge difference).
https://www.rdidetailing.ca
beatdownvictim
02-16-2023, 06:38 AM
Lots of tesla guys use HAV extreme.
What are you planning to do? Ppf whole car? Partial front? Xpel or stek?
Badhobz
02-17-2023, 06:29 AM
He got fake Brembo covers put on
not covers, just paint:lawl: it turned out great. if i were to redo it all over again, id probably use vancity vinyl for the wrap job too.
https://i.postimg.cc/Pr2c0rVt/1.jpg
Close up
https://i.postimg.cc/Df4JXzH8/5872-BEDD-C9-A5-431-B-ACB1-138-A0-CEAD3-F8.jpg
red kryptonite
03-13-2023, 10:34 PM
was thinking about getting some ppf but this thread shot down the idea real fast
Badhobz
03-14-2023, 06:36 AM
was thinking about getting some ppf but this thread shot down the idea real fast
do it!
just make sure if you are getting the PPF, get the one that wraps over the edges so you dont get this
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/69_2sHsdVdc/maxresdefault.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-_R4Fvm2VYE/maxresdefault.jpg
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1997171&stc=1&d=1550975068
thats my biggest gripe with PPF. most installers leave the edges and it looks like shit after a while. That black grime builds up and you can clearly see where the PPF is.
Also PPF isnt/wasnt that cheap so if youre spending 5-6k for a full body ppf, you might as well do a wrap for 6-7k which offers PPF like protection but more interesting colors.
PPF also comes in some colors nowadays and even this chromatic one which is clear, but adds a pretty neat rainbow-y effect once light hits it.
SSM_DC5
03-14-2023, 09:45 AM
I think most installers leave the edge because that's how the manufacturer created the files. Leaving the edges allows the film to stick better and longer because less curves. Also by leaving the edges, it allows the installer more room to manipulate the film. In my opinion, it just comes down to, much easier and faster for installers to lay it down and move on to the next one while being able to provide a decent warranty period.
red kryptonite
03-14-2023, 01:39 PM
do it!
just make sure if you are getting the PPF, get the one that wraps over the edges so you dont get this
thats my biggest gripe with PPF. most installers leave the edges and it looks like shit after a while. That black grime builds up and you can clearly see where the PPF is.
Also PPF isnt/wasnt that cheap so if youre spending 5-6k for a full body ppf, you might as well do a wrap for 6-7k which offers PPF like protection but more interesting colors.
PPF also comes in some colors nowadays and even this chromatic one which is clear, but adds a pretty neat rainbow-y effect once light hits it.
i was quoted 7k for a full body stealth ppf, no way am i gonna spend that much for a car without a special paint option/edition
ive been fine all my life without ppf and im sure ill be fine going forward haha :accepted:
*knock on wood*
Badhobz
03-14-2023, 03:39 PM
i too was quoted around that price. tahts why i decided to go wrap. im pretty sure my wrap was a bit more expensive than average (~10k), but the quality of the wrap and the installer is quite good.
red kryptonite
03-16-2023, 10:51 PM
i too was quoted around that price. tahts why i decided to go wrap. im pretty sure my wrap was a bit more expensive than average (~10k), but the quality of the wrap and the installer is quite good.
:heckno: cant pull the trigger
trollface
03-17-2023, 08:45 AM
Must be a ton of work.
BlackV62K2
03-17-2023, 09:40 AM
i too was quoted around that price. tahts why i decided to go wrap. im pretty sure my wrap was a bit more expensive than average (~10k), but the quality of the wrap and the installer is quite good.
Where did you get your wrap done?
Badhobz
03-17-2023, 10:24 AM
Wrapworkz. Although if I were to do it all over again I’d probably use Vancity vinyl. Jacky’s a really awesome dude and his boys know what they are doing. It wouldn’t have been 10k probably 5-7k for the same wrap.
dark0821
03-17-2023, 06:59 PM
I wasn't sure about the price until I saw the wrap in person... under the sun... photos of that LC doesnt do it justice.... those metallic flakes in that burgundy/purple/redish glow shinning thru the miami blue...
roastpuff
03-18-2023, 01:29 AM
I think most installers leave the edge because that's how the manufacturer created the files. Leaving the edges allows the film to stick better and longer because less curves. Also by leaving the edges, it allows the installer more room to manipulate the film. In my opinion, it just comes down to, much easier and faster for installers to lay it down and move on to the next one while being able to provide a decent warranty period.
A good installer will leave some extra to wrap the edge around - you can barely tell that my car was PPFed because Ken made sure to tuck everything that he could to hide the edges well.
I think Badhobz and the other guys who saw my car at the stock n noob meet were trying to find the edges and they could only find the area around the headlights.
BlackV62K2
03-18-2023, 09:51 AM
Got a full ppf done by Ken and his work is top notch. Majority wrapped and tucked. Ones to the edge you have to look really close to even tell. Crazy he’s a one man show for his shop.
Badhobz
03-18-2023, 10:39 AM
Yes a good ppf ain’t cheap. The amount of work required is just as much if not
More so than a wrap (cuz ppf is thicker and harder to mold around the edges)
I’d still go the wrap route though. I mean a good wrap is both protective and interesting.
My ratrolla land yacht is like all different shades and colors depending on the light.
https://i.postimg.cc/V6HTF8zm/B69417-C0-C2-CD-4-B5-B-A15-C-C83-A2-FE2-FC5-F.jpg
Edison_Chen
03-19-2023, 07:28 PM
Has anybody heard or had some ppf done through Speed Projects Laboratory before? They’ve been popping up in my fb feed as I’m browsing for ppf and ceramic coating shops.
Razor Ramon HG
03-19-2023, 09:32 PM
Has anybody heard or had some ppf done through Speed Projects Laboratory before? They’ve been popping up in my fb feed as I’m browsing for ppf and ceramic coating shops.
I had them install some XPEL a few weeks ago. Nothing crazy, just an exterior luggage piece and some interior pieces.
Was pretty happy with the service and quality of installation, but prices were a bit more on the expensive side compared to other places I inquired.
radeonboy
04-14-2023, 04:19 PM
Does anyone know a place that offers tinted PPF?
Badhobz
04-14-2023, 04:37 PM
Vancity vinyl has it. Give Jacky a call
jaaagman
04-15-2023, 09:09 AM
Do you guys have any recommendations the amount of PPF to get? I was thinking full frontal + mirrors + rockers. Any idea if there should be a brand of vinyl that I should look for when getting a quote? (e.g. XPEL or Gyeon seems to be popular, not sure if there are any other brands that are commonly used by shops around here)
roastpuff
04-15-2023, 09:19 AM
Xpel Suntek Dynotek Gyeon, are all fairly similar.
I did full front + mirrors. Also did B/C pillars thanks to stupid gloss black.
jaaagman
04-28-2023, 09:52 PM
Has anyone used Gleamworks Detailing?
On a side note, in one of the quotes that I got, I was told that the MX-5 was classified as a midsize car :seriously:
Razor Ramon HG
04-29-2023, 09:17 PM
Has anyone used Gleamworks Detailing?
On a side note, in one of the quotes that I got, I was told that the MX-5 was classified as a midsize car :seriously:
They probably mistook it for the CX-5?
Kappa
whitev70r
06-19-2023, 12:18 PM
Along similar lines ... a good quality but not too expensive place to get 3M put on bumper to protect rock chips? Not ballin enough to go PPF.
donk.
06-19-2023, 12:28 PM
Wouldn't it be the same price?
90% of the work is prep, 10% is actual application
675$/clearbra Vancouver ppf for front bumper only
Could try asking them if 3m is cheaper?
Badhobz
06-19-2023, 01:08 PM
Also check out dealership, they might have a factory ppf.
Like the front section ppf on the LC from the dealer is only 455 bucks installed ! It just looks like ass with that line on the hood but if you’re okay with that then it’s a cheap way to go
https://i.postimg.cc/hGTwNRgd/IMG-5394.png
whitev70r
06-19-2023, 01:34 PM
Anyone heard of Vancouver Clearbra? Good or no good?
https://blog.vancouverclearbra.com/
SSM_DC5
06-19-2023, 01:58 PM
Along similar lines ... a good quality but not too expensive place to get 3M put on bumper to protect rock chips? Not ballin enough to go PPF.
3M is a brand that sells PPF.
Anyone heard of Vancouver Clearbra? Good or no good?
https://blog.vancouverclearbra.com/
Donk just mentioned them....
whitev70r
06-19-2023, 02:28 PM
3M is a brand that sells PPF.
Donk just mentioned them....
See it now ... wasn't clear at first. Newb me .. didn't know whether clearbra was a product or a company.
Suprarz666
06-19-2023, 03:34 PM
Anyone heard of Vancouver Clearbra? Good or no good?
https://blog.vancouverclearbra.com/
I came accross this a while back
https://www.supramkv.com/threads/bad-ppf-with-ceramic-coating.14702/
He mentions this was done by Vancouver clear bra on the last page of the thread.
roastpuff
06-19-2023, 03:36 PM
You cheap out, you get what you pay for. This is all about the prep/application, the product is basically the same whether 3M/Xpel/Suntek etc.
whitev70r
06-19-2023, 03:37 PM
Oh boy ... on google, they got a 4.2 with 80+ reviews. Maybe just one off?
donk.
06-19-2023, 03:46 PM
I came accross this a while back
https://www.supramkv.com/threads/bad-ppf-with-ceramic-coating.14702/
He mentions this was done by Vancouver clear bra on the last page of the thread.
Looks like he got his shitty spray painted Matt black car wrapped.....
My car wrap has very clean edges, no bubbles, even gaps where it can't be "folded over".
Yes there are a few areas where it had to be cut and lapped, but this is expected when you have harsh curves
Send me a message with your phone number and I can send you some pics if you want.
Everywhere else I looked, I think the wrap started at 1250$+
If your car is 10-100k, I would say his services are excellent
If your driving a 500k Ferrari, and are "that guy" that looks at his car from 6", and is looking for perfection, then find a shop that is gonna charge you 4x the price
Edison_Chen
06-19-2023, 03:57 PM
I recently had my new Lexus ppf and ceramic coated by Roman at RDI Detailing. Great job. I don’t see any of the film on the edges of the panel. Price was competitie. I would highly recommend giving him a call. My parents likely bring their Tesla to RDI Detailing.
jaaagman
06-24-2023, 05:39 PM
I ended up getting my car PPF'd at Speed Projects Lab. You have to look real close to see that its been wrapped and you do see some gaps on the bottom of the mirrors, but overall, I am happy with how it came out.
not covers, just paint:lawl: it turned out great. if i were to redo it all over again, id probably use vancity vinyl for the wrap job too.
https://i.postimg.cc/Pr2c0rVt/1.jpg
Close up
https://i.postimg.cc/Df4JXzH8/5872-BEDD-C9-A5-431-B-ACB1-138-A0-CEAD3-F8.jpg
Saw your car last week in Richmond. Where did you get it done? I want to wrapped my LC500 coupe. What is your experience with Vancity Vinyl?
Badhobz
07-18-2023, 07:46 AM
YOU GOT A LC500!?!?!?! we best friends instantly now!
I got mine done at wrap workz. It took over a month and im sure i overpaid. It was almost 10k for this wrap because of the limited edition inoztek material.
Wrap-Workz Aesthetic Decors (http://www.wrap-workz.com/)
Go to Vancity Vinyl, ask for Jacky (their boss) and say the fat guy with the blue LC500 referred you. They did my brake calipers and hardwired my dashcam and did a fantastic job.
trollface
07-21-2023, 11:08 AM
Limited edition wrap.
headhunt3r
07-21-2023, 03:09 PM
The limited edition everything trend needs to die in a hot fire yesterday.
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