[Badhobz]

I had this thought while driving my camry to work this morning. The lack of an engaging ownership "experience" with the camry really takes away my enthusiasm for it.

Yes its reliable, yes its decent on gas, and it'll probably outlast me, but to take a line from Marie Condo, it doesn't spark any joy. It turned into a soulless machine that I used to commute with.

I think when we initially bought it in 2010 it was still an aspirational vehicle to me. ohhhh a brand new 60k lexus!! that meant something to me back then as financially i was in a different stage of my life. Now i literally see it as a camry and i treat it as such. We never took it on any meaningful trips and therefore it never cemented in my consciousness as a memorable car.

My wife's RX plays that role more as we drove it to all sorts of fun places with the dogs. Its our road trip car. Its also the car that protects her and my doggies from the hardships of weather, the city, hobos on hastings, etc. its our little cocoon of silence and i love it for that reason alone.

Likewise i associate my childhood with that shitty 2001 Sentra XE with blood stained seats (you made me bleed my own blood!!!) and manual roll up windows. I actually looked into restoring a 2001 Sentra SE (with the one with the sr20de engine) before just so i can relive some of that childhood experience.

So im curious if thats the same with you guys? does your enjoyment of your vehicles come from a personal connection? or is it purely based on driving enjoyment?

[yray]

figuring out when the next part needs changing while driving :troll:

[RevYouUp]

Just buy a second vehicle with a manual transmission.

[Tapioca]

My dad had an E36 for many years.

I bought my first used BMW after I broke up with an ex girlfriend many years ago after that.

After we had our first child, I sold my E39 which I regretted. I held onto that regret for almost 7 years. When we finally settled into our house a couple of years back, I told my wife that I was going to buy a beater BMW to remind me of simpler times. Last year, I bought an auto E46 convertible that was in the same colour as my old E46 from 11 years ago.

It's old, the seats are worn, and the body has seen better days. I've spent many hours doing maintenance and replacing old parts. But it fires right up and nothing beats cruising around with the top down.

[trollface]

I have no enjoyment.

[ilovebacon]

I have no enjoyment.

FeelsBadMan

[JDMDreams]

I have no enjoyment either, the roads suck, too many Uber drivers, vi, always stuck in traffic, can't even rev enough to hear the supercharger whine. Not sure if I'm getting old, but I enjoy the double pane windows, massaging cooled seats and curtains that I can look through to see the hobos from while enjoying my music in peace and quiet.

Back then my exhaust and road noise was too loud and I can't enjoy my audio build FeelsBadMan first world problems.

[GIZZ]

I enjoy the build. Putting it all together and seeing it function reliably is satisfying.

Then having it perform better than anyone would expect is the other half of it.

[Bender Unit]

I bought a beaten up (dirty interior, CEL, ripped softtop) S2000 in 2017 when it was cheap $10,000.
TSS refreshed the engine and I put it in storage afterward.
figure one day I will start restoring the interior and new softtop.
I had been collecting parts here and there over these many years.
and 2 more years will apply for Collector Plate.

[Gerbs]

For me the enjoyment changed over the years, the S2000 was
- First full on sports car I've driven
- Got a lot of random complements that was fun, even had an 85 year old dude wait for me at walmart to talk to me and ran over to show me his.
- Gave a lot of people their first convertible experience and watching other people's excitement made it super memorable. Combo that with being 22 and in school, got to live the dream
- The rarity and collectible value is still fun
- Now I'm too big for the car, hurts to hop in and out, I'm too tall for the car
- I worry about no parts, engine blowing up and dropping $20K to repair, not comfy to drive

The driving enjoyment has diminished as you driven nicer and faster cars. I think I hold on mostly for nostalgic memories.

The Veloster N is equally as fun to drive as the S2000 for different reasons but it's a placeholder until I find the next car that is fun to drive.

[Traum]

As far as I can remember, I have fond memories of every single vehicle I have owned or spent significant time in.

Regardless of whether it was the family Ford POS, the hand-me-down VQ, Dad's made-it Benz, the reliability nightmare VWs, the Miata, the winter beater, or the M2 grocery getter, the everyday adventures and drama always made each one special.

Driving enjoyment has obviously been a critical part, and personally, I don't think I'd be able to enjoy those everyday adventures if I wasn't also enjoying the drive in the first place. With my own vehicles, I have always tried to tweak them so that they will perform better than stock, and that the handling characteristics is what I prefer. By making the car a happy and enjoyable place to be in, I can go on and enjoy the rest of what I am supposed to be doing.

[Great68]

Not needing to commute daily to work by car has been the biggest factor.

When I do need to drive it's for personal reasons, and usually outside of busy traffic times, making it much more enjoyable.

[trollface]

S2000
- I worry about no parts

Laughs in ultra-low production 1969 Datsun.

[roastpuff]

I enjoy the act of driving. It's like my own personal space. The type of vehicle doesn't particularly matter all that much, though of course nicer cars are nice.

Road trips are one way I enjoy the car and indulge my mechanical sympathy as thousands of parts work together to propel me down the road.

[Gerbs]

Laughs in ultra-low production 1969 Datsun.

Too rich for me :awwyeah:

[bcrdukes]

figuring out when the next part needs changing while driving :troll:

We both know this is true and not trolling whatsoever!

For me, it's the sweat equity that goes into the car.

Our Corolla is boring as hell but it gets us to point A to B safely and reliably. Plus it was my first brand new car from a dealership. Since doing track days, everything feels like normal driving.

The shaky feeling and your heart pumping, the anxiety when you get into the car only to put the key into the ignition, wondering whether it will start or if you'll get a new Check Engine light is what keeps me enjoying it. I'm talking about you, BMW. :lol

Backstory too - My uncle in San Diego had an E30 325is and I saw it in the garage when we did a California trip when I was 4. I wanted a ride in it because everyone in the family had a Toyota and it was boring as hell. We didn't get a chance to go for a ride in it so I threw a tantrum like a little bitch and wailed like a spoiled brat. That's my connection and love for BMW. It's a love hate thing. Fuck BMW. I still want one.

[donk.]

Joy is found in manual trans convertibles with 200hp+ or 4x4ing, mostly everything else is a method of transport

[Qmx323]

Snap oversteering coming off Arthur Laing from Van to Richmond on that big sweeping left turn gets my jimmies rustled, every time.

That or powering into it, either way I think I might like turning left, NASCAR here I come.

[Hondaracer]

Too rich to have to turn wrenches, too poor to afford a dedicated “fun” car

I have no interest in any older slow car deemed as sporty or fun. I want a Z06, I want an M3, a P car etc. otherwise I have zero interest in doing work on vehicles anymore. It’s not fun, it’s actually the opposite lol

I enjoy driving our G37 as it’s got some go, very comfortable, and has many creature comforts of a luxury sedan. But I wouldn’t say it’s fun or exciting

[trollface]

Same bro. I used to love working on cars because I had time. Now I just want a car that works perfectly, all the time.

[The Producer]

I enjoy the nostalgia - ripping around in my highschool dream car makes me feel good. Simpler times.

I (mostly) enjoy the wrench turning. when you have the right tools and the right parts, it's a thoroughly enjoyable afternoon.

I enjoy the social aspect the most - whether it's meets, or auto-x or a group cruise. seeing the old friends and meeting the new ones is great. even this place is a nice escape once in awhile.

--------------------------------------------------

I don't enjoy the car market. it's not fun anymore. buying a selling is a huge chore and everybody is working some kind of hustle. same applies to parts. it's hard to find shit for 25-30 year old cars. it's even harder when everybody is hoarding and flipping parts.

I don't enjoy the social media aspect of the hobby. FB/IG absolutely killed forums - which were a much more enjoyable space to interact w others in the hobby.

[JDMDreams]

Now I don't even have time to wash my car, and it's always raining here

[68style]

There's something different about every car if you're an enthusiast... there's never 1 all encompassing vehicle... that's why so many of us swap them so much or have so many.

I like my 68 Mustang because it reminds me of being in my early 20's and people talk to me everywhere I drive it... but I hate it because it drives like a truck and because people talk to me everywhere I drive it

I love my MR2 turbo because of how it feels, but I hate it when it rains and drips on me and if I drive it too much in 1 day I start to get annoyed with the noise and whatnot

I love my Lexus IS because it feels just luxury enough to make me feel like I'm wearing a monocle and a bit more grown up while still having a manuel transmission and great sightlines, but also the transmission sucks and it eats a lot of gas for not much performance engine-wise

I love my Celica GT-S because it does everything I need it to do and it's light enough to still feel punchy even at only 190hp and feels like it rips on highways and into corners... but I hate it when it comes to trying to outrun anyone off a stoplight and the peaky powerband can be aggravating for daily driving plus noise levels inside are economy car level

I don't know if I'll ever find a forever car or something that makes me happy all the time in every situations... I'm too complicated and fickle as an enthusiast to be satisfied in every way by 1 vehicle I think... but having them all around means I can play them off each other and stay pretty engaged!

[Badhobz]

My whole fleet is so damn reliable and boring right now that i long for that Maserati ownership again.

The one where you pray to god the check engine light doesn't stay on, the one where you cry with tears of joy if it ONLY needed an oil change at the dealership. And of course the one where you weep bitterly as you fork out 18k for some piece of shit Italian part that broke for no discernable reason.

Ever have your seat heater catch on fire!? I HAVE. Thank god it was under warranty at the time.

But when you drive it, at any speeds really, the magic is there. It just has so much more soul and personality than modern day cars. You sneeze and the idiotically fast steering sends you 3 lanes over while you tram line over bumps. That engine & exhaust is a proven aphrodisiac and rumbles in all the right way. Gold diggers actively come up to you at gas stations and parking lots.

God i miss that thing.

[bcedhk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06BFsQ_28Co

[Gerbs]

My whole fleet is so damn reliable and boring right now that i long for that Maserati ownership again.


It'd be nice to share a fun fleet with the boyz.

[JDMDreams]

Badhobz

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/204737038990257/?mibextid=dXMIcH

Seems like a few is being imported from Japan

[trollface]

Gold diggers actively come up to you at gas stations and parking lots.

God i miss that thing.

I get approached by old men with no teeth when I'm getting a cold cut from Subway (cheapest sandwich).

https://i.imgur.com/zWazfnc.png

https://i.imgur.com/gnLFSjv.png

[ilovebacon]

I had this thought while driving my camry to work this morning. The lack of an engaging ownership "experience" with the camry really takes away my enthusiasm for it.

Yes its reliable, yes its decent on gas, and it'll probably outlast me, but to take a line from Marie Condo, it doesn't spark any joy. It turned into a soulless machine that I used to commute with.

I think when we initially bought it in 2010 it was still an aspirational vehicle to me. ohhhh a brand new 60k lexus!! that meant something to me back then as financially i was in a different stage of my life. Now i literally see it as a camry and i treat it as such. We never took it on any meaningful trips and therefore it never cemented in my consciousness as a memorable car.

My wife's RX plays that role more as we drove it to all sorts of fun places with the dogs. Its our road trip car. Its also the car that protects her and my doggies from the hardships of weather, the city, hobos on hastings, etc. its our little cocoon of silence and i love it for that reason alone.

Likewise i associate my childhood with that shitty 2001 Sentra XE with blood stained seats (you made me bleed my own blood!!!) and manual roll up windows. I actually looked into restoring a 2001 Sentra SE (with the one with the sr20de engine) before just so i can relive some of that childhood experience.

So im curious if thats the same with you guys? does your enjoyment of your vehicles come from a personal connection? or is it purely based on driving enjoyment?

Which car would you pick if you could choose within your budget?

[68style]

God i miss that thing.

I love a good old fashioned sadomasochist

[Badhobz]

Which car would you pick if you could choose within your budget?

I chose it… the LC was suppose to be the logical choice. It was my maserati replacement what wouldn’t cost me an arm and a leg, still had an NA v8 and relatively affordable at around 170k after luxury tax, etc. also it’s a drop top so I could replace the motorcycle experience with the car.

Ultimately it fails to capture the maserati essence. It has enough styling and road presence but it doesn’t have that quirky Italian soul. The engine / exhaust sounds good but not as good as the GT. It’s significantly more comfortable than the maz but something is off… it’s missing that something and I don’t even know what the hell it is.

I ultimately wanted a Roma, even with my dealership history and full service record they still told me I needed to wait 1-2 years. I don’t even know if that Roma would satisfy, I got a feeling it probably wouldn’t given my preference for quirky ass cars. But half of that is because I always wanted a Ferrari. Not because it’s a good car or a sensible purchase. It’s more like an aspirational vehicle that will not ultimately satisfy.

[ilovebacon]

if those were the cars that brings you joy in the morning, why dont you drive those cars to work?

What the hell is a LC and NA?

We need pictures dude!

[Badhobz]

Cuz all my underlings and co workers would flip their collective shit. I dislike throwing my cash in their faces as it erodes trust in management and they would think I’m some sort of entitled asshole. Not saying I’m not, but I don’t want to give them more shit to hang me with.

I’ve always driven a Corolla or a similar piece of shit to work.

[68style]

If the car doesn't satisfy you, you better be damn sure what's in the passenger seat does.

[Badhobz]

You talking about my chihuahua ?!?!? She’s great !!!! I love her to death

It’s daddy daughter day !!!
https://i.postimg.cc/tgjGVTwC/PXL-20221228-181137040-Original.jpg

[underscore]

Lots of little things, I like planning out and researching different mods, working on them and making them my own (when it's by choice, sudden breakdowns on daily drivers not so much), the sounds they make and the way they look. If they're toys I find them more enjoyable because I can take more risks when they don't have to get me to work on Monday. If something breaks it's not ideal but I can just drag it home and deal with it later.

In my Celica it's also the feeling of changing my own gears, the noises and sensations that you don't get in new cars, occasionally hearing someone compliment it, cruising down a deserted back road to Days Like These or throwing on Initial D and pushing it a bit, stuff like that. And when it snows finding a nice empty parking lot and goofing around a bit.

My Grand Cherokee is different. Apart from being comfortable it's pretty crap on the road, it's completely gutless and it wobbles around like a marshmallow. But it lets me explore trails and find cool views I wouldn't see otherwise. I like the challenge of trying to get it places not everyone can get to and I love that it's cheap enough to not have to really care what happens to it. I had to leave my old Grand Cherokee in the bush overnight once and it was very stressful worrying about someone trashing it. I don't intentionally try to wreck it but the body is already pretty BC pinstriped and the bottom has loads of dents and scrapes and even if it was totaled it wouldn't cause any real financial suffering from the loss.

Cuz all my underlings and co workers would flip their collective shit. I dislike throwing my cash in their faces as it erodes trust in management and they would think I’m some sort of entitled asshole. Not saying I’m not, but I don’t want to give them more shit to hang me with.

I’ve always driven a Corolla or a similar piece of shit to work.

Park it somewhere 1 stop from work and take the bus/skytrain the last few km. Or at least get a more fun cheap piece of shit, even going to a manual Corolla XRS should jazz things up a little. Back in the day I knew a realtor who needed something respectable to drive clients around in so he got a manual Legacy GT.

Also that hat is adorable.

[ilovebacon]

Cuz all my underlings and co workers would flip their collective shit. I dislike throwing my cash in their faces as it erodes trust in management and they would think I’m some sort of entitled asshole. Not saying I’m not, but I don’t want to give them more shit to hang me with.

I’ve always driven a Corolla or a similar piece of shit to work.

I'm pretty sure no one cares about your vehicle type. they are more drawn to your character and personality which probably matter the most.

[sonick]

I absolutely do not miss or enjoy having a car that I am worried might not start or leave me stranded.

Maybe I have a low bar, but I can say that every one of my cars I've owned in my signature has some redeeming factor that I enjoy every time I drive it.

Although I've owned it for maybe coming on 5 years now, I still find enjoyment driving my E82 even around town. The NA I6 revs so smooth, quick enough to do a WOT 3rd gear pull but not fast enough to get into trouble. Also whenever I toss it into a right turn and power through in 2nd gear.

Even my Rav4, I love the practicality of it but at the same time find enjoyment from the V6 power when I downshift on the highway to make a pass. I don't think I could get by with a 'modern' SUV with less than 200hp.

Tbh the only car I ever sold because I got somewhat 'bored' of it was my E30, because it was automatic and I was dying to get back into a manual car. But even then, I miss the old E30 because of its driving dynamics.

I think for me it's a requirement to have at least one manual car in the fleet to maintain that enjoyment.

Also, obligatory doggy daughter convertible pic:
https://i.imgur.com/cUIogeyl.jpg

[Badhobz]

It matters where I work. There’s a very strong power dynamic here and lots of cliques. Annoying as F and I rather not deal with that. Last thing you want is to be known as the flashy mofo who come to work decked out to the max.

I rather come as I normally am, Costco sweats, and a Kirkland shirt just for MS teams calls.

[JDMDreams]

I think the issue for me over the years is there's no perfect car, that can do everything, that's why I always end up with at least 2 cars, one winter, one summer. Then you can break it down even more summer convertible, sports track car, beater winter, comfortable normal daily.

There isn't really one car that you can do everything with.

Cheap, fast, reliable. you can only pick 2.

[trollface]

I have a chi and a Yorkie, too.

[Badhobz]

Where’s the chi and York in da Datsun pic ?!?!!

[trollface]

https://i.imgur.com/NIWjh8o.jpg

Riding dirty

[Badhobz]

Doohhhhhhh super duper cute

[donk.]

The white one looks like the permastoned father, and the brown one is the angry-with-life mom

[68style]

Daddy doghter day in MR2!

https://i.imgur.com/oWOOrwV.jpg

[trollface]

Ryan Gosling?

[PDKGD3]

I don't. Too poor to insure 2 cars (Need one for work), too nostalgic and afraid of sellers remorse to get rid of it.

So now it sits under a Mercedes car cover that's too small :okay:

[acrophobia]

Driving my Jetta through the winter = blah.

Commuting on my motorcycle = poop eating grin, every time.

[noclue]

I feel like this is the last era of combustion engines and manual transmission before EV's take over with the allure of low maintenance and running costs.

I've gotten to the position where I can buy a 911 but I balk now with the constant MSRP increases along with the fed luxury tax + bc luxury tax and can't justify it anymore. The used 911 market also went cray cray during the pandemic and still yet to subside, especially manual ones. My second choice is the FL5 Type-R but that's impossible to find unless you're best friends with a dealer principal.

WHEN RECESSION COMING TO SINK DEMANDS FOR CARS!!!

[bcuzracecarz]

I love the idea of having a car always there to go for a drive, but with 2 little ones man is it hard to find time for anything other than a 20 min loop to the store and back once or twice a week. The idea of wrenching is fun and I do enjoy it when I’ve got the tools handy, but the act of doing it is tough with space and time constraints. Recently have found myself hunting harder and harder for reasons to keep it……..with that being said I’m putting summer rubber on and replacing headlight lenses this weekend.

I totally understand the guys who are over wrenching completely, love the luxury cruiser, or want the ultimate fun no hassle car. Love the car community and people I have met and know so I would never stop going to meets or forums.

[320icar]

Cars are my escape because I’ll never be a fucking homeowner and it gives me a glimpse of having some semblance of control in my life

[Traum]

Having driven a good number of Porsches and other interesting cars at the track, nowadays I ALWAYS encourage people to go chase that Porsche dream if it is an itch. There is something special about those Porsches, esp the 911 and Boxster/Caymans, in the way they drive, as well as the way they present themselves to the driver.

A lot of newer cars are faster than older Porsches. Many are nicer and handle better than the old ones too. But for cars from the same period, the Porsches will hands down stand out as the top of the class.

And then there is the ownership cost. If you are sensible, you won't stand to lose too much money from a brief multi-year ownership. Don't get me wrong -- maintenance is not cheap. But if you are in the financial position to afford one, that maintenance cost isn't gonna kill you. (But you do want to be aware of the potential for engine bore scoring in certain models.)

If you are concerned, get a Porsche-approved CPO car. It is a little more expensive than the non Porsche-approved cars, but the reconditioning process and that 2 year unlimited mileage warranty are the best in the (used) car business.

And then there is the Porsche Drive (subscription) program too. Your temporary "ownership" period and total cost outlay are all completely defined. If you ask me, I'd say it's cheaper than a vacation of the same length.

A friend of mine has always "talked about" wanting to pick up a 911. From the time when a decently pre-owned 997 can be had for ~$60k, he has been talking about it. And there was always some sort of "reason" that prevents him from getting into one -- the specs for this car isn't right; that one is missing Sport Chrono; I need depreciation to work its magic a little more; the car I wanted was $69k before, so how can I justify paying $80k+ for it now? And before we knew it, a decent 991 starts at $120k, and the GTS model that he has always drooled over is easily a $150k+ affair.

No, I do not work for Porsche. I am just very smittened by them.
I feel like this is the last era of combustion engines and manual transmission before EV's take over with the allure of low maintenance and running costs.

I've gotten to the position where I can buy a 911 but I balk now with the constant MSRP increases along with the fed luxury tax + bc luxury tax and can't justify it anymore. The used 911 market also went cray cray during the pandemic and still yet to subside, especially manual ones. My second choice is the FL5 Type-R but that's impossible to find unless you're best friends with a dealer principal.

WHEN RECESSION COMING TO SINK DEMANDS FOR CARS!!!

[JDMDreams]

I cans affords a first gen cayenne turbo does that count? Not sure how bad the ownership experience will be doe. :pokerface::considered:

[twitchyzero]

Ultimately it fails to capture the maserati essence. It has enough styling and road presence but it doesn’t have that quirky Italian soul. The engine / exhaust sounds good but not as good as the GT. It’s significantly more comfortable than the maz but something is off… it’s missing that something and I don’t even know what the hell it is.


it had the F1 trans?

funny how time changes the general perception! being the peasant watching more recent reviews they like the quirkiness of it now whereas it got a lot of hate new

even the GT-R the complaint was it's like a computer driving for you but now it's apparently relatively mechanical compared to ultra fast shifting gearboxes of late

[teggy604]

What you need is the "Homer Simpson car." Or what I like to call all modern cars. They try to do everything and keep everyone happy.

[BIC_BAWS]

Hobz, you've tried it. You know what the answer is. You need a FK8.

[Badhobz]

I love love love love that fk8. Damn you dark !!! You ruined me.

But as a cheap chinaman, I can’t in good conscience get rid of the Camry and replace it with a more fun daily. I mean I absolutely should due to my huge shit eating grin after driving the CTR, but I would have a Chinese heart attack selling my perfectly fine, one owner Camry for a lousy 10-15k when it can probably last me another 10-20 years and never cost a dime.

Also I occasionally need to drive down to Seattle and Tacoma for business trips and I’d go deaf on the i5 with the fk8 at 80 decibels.

[rb]

Even my Rav4, I love the practicality of it but at the same time find enjoyment from the V6 power when I downshift on the highway to make a pass. I don't think I could get by with a 'modern' SUV with less than 200hp.



There's just something about how the v6 in the rav just pulls when you need it to or even when you just feel like it. As much as I want to upgrade to a 5th gen 4runner limited, I really don't have a reason to do so... esp since it'll cost me 30+k on top of whatever i sell my rav for

[yray]

LOL and my rage rover had a rough start this morning, probably the ICAV is stuck #29year old problems

Most enjoyable car I had was my 1980 MGB which I regret selling, 80hp but so raw and I stank of motor oil just by starting it up

[bcrdukes]

Most enjoyable car I had was my 1980 MGB which I regret selling, 80hp but so raw and I stank of motor oil just by starting it up

This. I miss the cars and bikes that made you smell like oil and unburnt fuel.
:okay:

[Great68]

Lol. I remember back after a day of cruising in the Mustang the wife and I would feel super tired, a bit dizzy and kind of out of it. I just attributed it to the horribly uncomfortable 60's low rise seats and shitty ride, and all the noise.

Now that I think about it what it actually was that we were experiencing the effects of carbon monoxide poisoning...

[Gerbs]

Having driven a good number of Porsches and other interesting cars at the track, nowadays I ALWAYS encourage people to go chase that Porsche dream if it is an itch. There is something special about those Porsches, esp the 911 and Boxster/Caymans, in the way they drive, as well as the way they present themselves to the driver.


What's the top 5 options if budget is $50-130K?
- GT4/Spyder
- 991 911 Base
- 997 Turbo, high km
- Boxster/Cayman GTS
- 997 Carrera S
- 718 Boxster/Cayman S

I'm absolutely baffled that a base 911 is close to $155K after taxes, but they don't exist because you need to add $30K in options.

[Badhobz]

i dont know, i think after driving that FK8 that thing is at the top of my list for fun vehicles.

Even the 911 is getting too soft and boring. More GT than sports car now in the 992 guise than the 996 or the 997

Older porsches are great, older japanese sports cars are great if they didnt rust out. Newer mustangs are pretty fun if you just want a cheapie ride that has ample power

[whitev70r]

One way I've found to stretch out the enjoyment of your car is to stretch the mods ... one year do the suspension ... another year chip .. another year the stereo (if that's your thing) ... another year wheels/tires. Every year there is something to look fwd to.

[sonick]

Yes, the next realistic grail car for me has always been a manual Porsche Cayman to replace the E82.

Hoping can get something sorted for ~$30k. Besides the IMS, I haven't done much research into the different trim levels or models (S vs Non-S) and particular years to look out for.

[Traum]

If you're talking about prices before tax:

981 GT4 -- seems to hover around ~$120k. I've seen a sub-$90k car last year, and that car has something like 60 - 70k km on it. I don't have a problem with that mileage, but lots of people think high trim Porsches should be extremely low mileage. Very few Spyders come up for sale.

911 -- Base model 911 from the 997 generation and up don't seem to come up all that often. You're more likely to see S / 4S / GTS models instead. Porsche-approved CPO cars usually start at $120k and goes up to ~$150k+ for a GTS.

997 -- As a whole, it seems like Porsche dealerships have tend to shy away from carrying 997 nowadays, so they are not on my radar as much.

981 - Personally, I find that 981 GTS prices are pretty ridiculous nowadays. They don't come up all that often, but when they do, it is not uncommon to see them asking for $85k+. 981S are usually in the $70k+ range, and 981 base is in the $60k+ range.

718 - In terms of bang for the buck, I'd say 718 is a better value than 981. A base 718 is essentially a newer 981S, and the 2.5L turbo cars (S / GTS) are mad fast -- faster than a 981 GT4 under certain circumstances. Occasionally a stripper 718S can be seen in the $75k+ range, but some can crack the $100k mark if it is heavy on options. There aren't very many GTS 4.0 cars in the used market (yet); when they come up, they are not cheap -- the pricing goes right into 911 territory.

The thing with Porsches is -- don't settle for a Boxster/Cayman if your heart is in a 911. I'd say the Cayman drives / handles better than the 911, but if you're itching for a 911, you can only scratch that itch with a 911.
What's the top 5 options if budget is $50-130K?
- GT4/Spyder
- 991 911 Base
- 997 Turbo, high km
- Boxster/Cayman GTS
- 997 Carrera S
- 718 Boxster/Cayman S

I'm absolutely baffled that a base 911 is close to $155K after taxes, but they don't exist because you need to add $30K in options.

[CorneringArtist]

I bought my GTI because it was a steal of a deal in 2020, and because it checks the boxes for both being practical in a one car home and able to have a bit of fun. I’ll never afford a home so I’ll take what I can get.

If BMW sacks up and brings back the M340i in Touring flavour, I’ll swap up as a “made it” car. But for now, a GTI is enough.

[Gumby]

I'm in my mid-40s and admittedly haven't owned that many cars. I generally keep cars for a long time as opposed to those that lease a new one every 4 years.

With that said, two cars stand out for me:

1997 Integra GSR - the car I drove in university. It was a lot of fun with so many memories attached to it, and it felt fast without being fast. I would love to get something similar now as a daily: small and manual. Eventually it got traded in for a E46 330ci (which my mom took over, and I ended up with a Nissan Pathfinder).

2020 M340i (current) - gift from parents after they downsized. First new car in 15 years, first BMW I can claim as "my own", tons of power, and one of the best looking cars in BMW's current lineup. I only insure it for half of the year, so I always look forward to driving it during summer/fall. Therefore, low mileage, and I'll be keeping this for a long time.

[Dragon-88]

Right now I'm a big fan of older vehicles, where you're not spending as much time worrying about someone scratching your car or a bunch of rocks peppering your front bumper on the hwy. Just keep the maintenance up and drive.

03 SIR, Super fun and reliable, cheap on gas and can squeeze into lots of parking spots. With the hatch it makes it easy to transport large items as well. Its a fun go kart.

95 Tacoma, this thing is a beauty to own.. Although no AC, its so reliable I never have to worry about a thing. It just goes, on top of the fact it's good enough to pull my boat or throw the ATV in the bed and just have some adventuring fun. Currently at 400K KMs and still going strong.

I also want to include my motorcycle

2018 - KTM Duke 390. Costs me $600 to insure for the year and provides all the thrills I need, plus now that my office has moved to Olympic village, I can commute through all the back roads without any traffic, cuts my commute by 20-30mins each way. Although its no hwy bike, i'm not much of a hwy rider as I prefer to get somewhere on the back roads. If I were to go bigger I'd probably get a MT09. But i love my cheap sub 400cc insurance bracket.

[EvoFire]

The itch for a 911 is real. It's just not happening right now though as a 992 GTS with my desired options with tax is $270k out the door. That's way too rich for my blood. I'll probably still go put a deposit on one. Who knows what happens in 3 years when it would actually be my turn in line.

I still enjoy my F80 quite a lot. I just put new summer tires on, it's on coils and I put an exhaust on last year. It's great I can put the whole family in it and I can't even drive a 911 for the next 2 years until my daughter can be put into a forward facing seat.

As it stands, if the next M3 doesn't look retarded, that might well be my only option. Extra so if they do the wagon in North America. I don't have a problem with it being electrified since it's most likely going to be a hybrid or PHEV. The only question is if the manual is sticking around.

I just renewed the insurance on the M3. I put 4600km on it last year. It'll be a long time before the car is "used up". WFH means very little mileage.

The convertible itch is real. I miss my Miata, but it'll never get driven, I don't drive the M3 much as is.
If we are talking old cars, I miss my FBO MS3. It can keep up in a straight line with most of last gen's super sedans, and it'll hang with them at the track too. The driving feel and connection is unreal, the GTI in comparison is a complete dud in terms of feel.

[Badhobz]

i really dont know what the deal is with the 911. ive never had any real desire to own them even after driving a 997, owning a 996 briefly, and tasted the 991, 992, in all kinds of flavors. GTS, Turbo, CS4, etc.

The new ones are way too soft (didnt try the GT3 RS. im sure thats buttoned down), borderline ratrolla soft. The steering is dead now compared to what the 997's have but thats the same with all modern cars..... EXCEPT THE FK8!!!! that thing actually has some texture surprisingly.

I disliked the 996 so much that i traded it in for a Cadillac CTS hahah

https://media.tenor.com/l08AzLAdbg4AAAAd/the-matrix-the-matrix-reloaded.gif

(i wanted a matrix inspired land barge).

Although it was a piece of shit 996 CS2 that was very very well used, but i still disliked everything about it. Didnt like the handling at the limit, felt dangerous at all times due to that rear ass engine, didn't like the way the turn in was so light, once again due to ass engine, and didnt like that at anytime it would step out under throttle when you go around the corner. It also rode like shit and everything was super expensive to fix.

https://i.postimg.cc/przc9hxj/DSC-0082.jpg
calm your tits, it wasnt a real turbo, just fake turbo bits.

The new ones are better, but the new ones will have the same issues as my ratrolla. Ultimately a let down (unless maybe you get in the GT3-RS spec). But at that price, whats the point? The damn car is turning into a commodity item like a ferrari or lambo where if you put more than 10,000kms on it, its value becomes trash. All the investors are snatching them up and holding them for profit instead of driving them.

I think a GR corolla, or the new CTR will be just as much fun but a fraction of the cost.

[68style]

I was hardcore looking for a 997.2 for awhile, but paying 6 figures for a 10 year old car makes NO sense... plus I got the opportunity to drive one and felt very underwhelmed. Never meet your heroes moment.

I loved riding in one at the track, could feel the power and instantaneous agility... but driving wise it didn't do much for me.

[EvoFire]

https://i.postimg.cc/przc9hxj/DSC-0082.jpg
calm your tits, it wasnt a real turbo, just fake turbo tits.


Missed opportunity, fixed it for you.

I drove a 997.1S that a friend owned. This was during the covid lull and he wanted 50k for it. Back then it was worth it I think, it was a little worn but the driving experience was good compared to my F80. Now that I have coils and I can shake my fillings out it's a little better lol.

(Wife hasn't complained about the ride, so win?)

[Hondaracer]

i really dont know what the deal is with the 911. ive never had any real desire to own them even after driving a 997, owning a 996 briefly, and tasted the 991, 992, in all kinds of flavors. GTS, Turbo, CS4, etc.

The new ones are way too soft (didnt try the GT3 RS. im sure thats buttoned down), borderline ratrolla soft. The steering is dead now compared to what the 997's have but thats the same with all modern cars..... EXCEPT THE FK8!!!! that thing actually has some texture surprisingly.

I disliked the 996 so much that i traded it in for a Cadillac CTS hahah

https://media.tenor.com/l08AzLAdbg4AAAAd/the-matrix-the-matrix-reloaded.gif

(i wanted a matrix inspired land barge).

Although it was a piece of shit 996 CS2 that was very very well used, but i still disliked everything about it. Didnt like the handling at the limit, felt dangerous at all times due to that rear ass engine, didn't like the way the turn in was so light, once again due to ass engine, and didnt like that at anytime it would step out under throttle when you go around the corner. It also rode like shit and everything was super expensive to fix.

https://i.postimg.cc/przc9hxj/DSC-0082.jpg
calm your tits, it wasnt a real turbo, just fake turbo bits.

The new ones are better, but the new ones will have the same issues as my ratrolla. Ultimately a let down (unless maybe you get in the GT3-RS spec). But at that price, whats the point? The damn car is turning into a commodity item like a ferrari or lambo where if you put more than 10,000kms on it, its value becomes trash. All the investors are snatching them up and holding them for profit instead of driving them.

I think a GR corolla, or the new CTR will be just as much fun but a fraction of the cost.

If you’re buying a GT3 RS you’re probably not worried about depreciation or considering it as an asset.

I drove a family friends GT3, who also had a GT3-RS and as I’ve said before the GT3 alone felt like it’s bordering on out of control, race car vibes

[impactX]

I had this thought while driving my camry to work this morning. The lack of an engaging ownership "experience" with the camry really takes away my enthusiasm for it.

Yes its reliable, yes its decent on gas, and it'll probably outlast me, but to take a line from Marie Condo, it doesn't spark any joy. It turned into a soulless machine that I used to commute with.

I think when we initially bought it in 2010 it was still an aspirational vehicle to me. ohhhh a brand new 60k lexus!! that meant something to me back then as financially i was in a different stage of my life. Now i literally see it as a camry and i treat it as such. We never took it on any meaningful trips and therefore it never cemented in my consciousness as a memorable car.

My wife's RX plays that role more as we drove it to all sorts of fun places with the dogs. Its our road trip car. Its also the car that protects her and my doggies from the hardships of weather, the city, hobos on hastings, etc. its our little cocoon of silence and i love it for that reason alone.

Likewise i associate my childhood with that shitty 2001 Sentra XE with blood stained seats (you made me bleed my own blood!!!) and manual roll up windows. I actually looked into restoring a 2001 Sentra SE (with the one with the sr20de engine) before just so i can relive some of that childhood experience.

So im curious if thats the same with you guys? does your enjoyment of your vehicles come from a personal connection? or is it purely based on driving enjoyment?

I am late to the party (this thread), I think a big part of it just comes from just being grateful about what you have. You are obviously making good financial decision by not buying a new depreciating asset to fulfill your desire for ownership experience.

For me, I drive from point A to point B everyday, dropping kids off to school, driving to work, getting home from work, etc. I need something reliable that seats 4, will not make a big dent to my bank account with the way I drive, yet fun enough to put a smile on my face when carving some curvy highways. I literally cannot think of any other RWD car with LSD that can do this, compounded by the fact that I have now owned my car for 14 years, and most people who don't know cars cannot even tell my car is over 20 years old.

If you can buy a project car for cheap as a hobby and have the time to work on it, by all means go for it!

[SkunkWorks]

Great thread. Was planning on posting in the personal financial thread but seems apt here.

Since I've just returned to school fulltime, I flip flop a lot on whether I should liquidate the cars (6 between my partner and I) and downsize to one modern car such as a FL5 or GRC.

Between the stress and expense of parking, storage, maintenance, upgrades, sourcing parts, and finding time for wrenching, the time sink and stress surrounding the cars have almost become a second job.

Not sure if I'm just getting old or hitting that stage in life where the older family members are leaving us, but in the past year, the realization that our time here is finite has hit me pretty hard. My "free" time now when not in class is hanging out with the dog, family and friends, or jumping on the bike/skis/trails/water for a romp outside instead. I feel almost guilty to and unmotivated to spend that time on the cars.

And when I do take the cars out, I'm worried about something happening to them - the 911 is worth way too much, the Insight is irreplaceable if it gets totaled, Landcruiser's too mint to take off-road. Then add my questionable timing in deciding to tear apart the M3 and wagon to build a M3 touring few weeks before classes started. All adds up to be too much on the plate when the cars were meant to be an escape from stress, not the cause of it.

On the bright side, I realize I'm pretty privileged to be in this position. Le gf makes double what I did so going back to school hasn't been as huge of a financial burden as it should've been and I can afford to take my time in deciding what to do with the cars.

In the meantime, more dad daughter drives in the 911 are in order.

https://images.craigslist.org/00W0W_1944QxuvIXu_0t20CI_600x450.jpg

[Oshiguru]

Going to add my $0.02 to this.

Like most of us here. I grew up with hot wheels, toy cars, car video games, and liking anything with wheels that moves fast. For me, what i enjoy in my personal vehicles includes the wrenching aspect and the driving part. Now as im getting older its the latter only.

There's that little bit of "escape" when driving cars whether its a back road, track/hpde/lapping day. or autox. As I get older and face the expected challenges of a sick parent, job stress, relationship issues, etc its nice to be able to get into the car and escape for a little bit.

Do I regret putting a lot of my income when i was younger into car mods, new cars, lapping days, maintenance, etc? Sometimes I do because I could've been in a townhome/home by now instead of an apartment... but you could say this about any hobby to be honest. However, i've met some great people through these communities, i'm able to do (in my opinion) proper self care that helps me continue with my stressful job (RN) and life, and cars go brr.

I have that 911 itch that Traum mentioned but my job, which fills my intrinsic needs and wants out of a profession, doesn't pay well enough to afford one.. so I will stick to my e36 m3 and enjoy 911s as ride-alongs or being the instructor for a 911 owner at a local track day

[trollface]

6 cars...

[The Producer]

6 cars...

i know right?

https://y.yarn.co/ea459458-b470-441b-9d50-7d86395bb81a_text.gif

[whitev70r]

6 cars...

... and a sugar mommy! :lol

[Badhobz]

If you’re buying a GT3 RS you’re probably not worried about depreciation or considering it as an asset.

I drove a family friends GT3, who also had a GT3-RS and as I’ve said before the GT3 alone felt like it’s bordering on out of control, race car vibes

Yeah they are.

Rich people still care. 250k isn't even an entry level Ferrari yet. Its affordable if you don't have a mortgage. Plus considering you don't lose much if any on depreciation on the gt3 rs, its a sensible buy

[dark0821]

Late to the thread as well...

To me honestly... this is gonna come out wrong.... it was the time that I got to spend with my friends and dad

- having car wash on drive ways, when it was suppose to be you and your friend, and we ended up outside till past midnight because somehow 15 cars showed up and we took half a block... friends ran out to buy burgers, buns and pop, and someone went home to langley (from Vancouver) to get his BBQ.... fack...
- having the full car apart in the parking lot while you are at work (work graveyard and your supervisor is your friends GF), not knowing if you can put it back together to get home that day, calling friends at 2am to ask questions because you fucked up...
- friend spotting you $10 for gas till next pay cheque because you blew your last 2 paycheques on tires that rubs against your car cuz they are too wide
- believing your friend that a baseball bat can roll fenders
- believing adding LEDS + stickers made your car faster rofl...
- literally taking parts off and back on the car just because you were curious, rounding nuts and screws like nobodys business because you used imperial wrenches on metric bolt/nuts
- hanging off the car in the parking lot with the door open while your friend held you with a backpack/belt/jacket so you can get that impossible angle rolling shot

and this is a big one because I know it cant be repeated....
- having my dad hunch over my car to teach me how to do a timing belt/water pump
- having my dad swear at me (jokingly) cuz I couldnt even hold the work light correctly lololol

my dad is a bit older now and he hasn't held a tool for more than a decade I would say....

So yea, not so much the cars, because I always had crappy cars, but goddamn looking at me now, dad of 2, with a plug-in hybrid and EV as daily for me and wife...damn

[Badhobz]

I’m glad you guys all enjoy your cars in your own ways (with the exception of trollface who doesn’t enjoy anything and is stalked by old men perpetually). I’m also glad that we have such a large community of great individuals in this fucked up, materialistic city, that often generalizes your “enthusiasm” on the size of your wallet and what brand / year your car is.

Refreshing to see you guys enjoying your rides while always keep a weathered eye on the horizon for your next big automotive experience.

[GS8]

Cars are there for you when people don't want to be...

[SSM_DC5]

Going to add my $0.02 to this.

Like most of us here. I grew up with hot wheels, toy cars, car video games, and liking anything with wheels that moves fast. For me, what i enjoy in my personal vehicles includes the wrenching aspect and the driving part. Now as im getting older its the latter only.

There's that little bit of "escape" when driving cars whether its a back road, track/hpde/lapping day. or autox. As I get older and face the expected challenges of a sick parent, job stress, relationship issues, etc its nice to be able to get into the car and escape for a little bit.

Do I regret putting a lot of my income when i was younger into car mods, new cars, lapping days, maintenance, etc? Sometimes I do because I could've been in a townhome/home by now instead of an apartment... but you could say this about any hobby to be honest. However, i've met some great people through these communities, i'm able to do (in my opinion) proper self care that helps me continue with my stressful job (RN) and life, and cars go brr.

I have that 911 itch that Traum mentioned but my job, which fills my intrinsic needs and wants out of a profession, doesn't pay well enough to afford one.. so I will stick to my e36 m3 and enjoy 911s as ride-alongs or being the instructor for a 911 owner at a local track day

Are you part of BCNU? If so, your thoughts on the proposed agreement?

Any other nurses or have a partner that is a nurse is welcome to share their thoughts on the proposed agreement.

[twitchyzero]

I grew up with hot wheels, toy cars, car video games, and liking anything with wheels that moves fast

ah shit i'm still into these LOL

[SkunkWorks]

6 cars...

Got a golf r too









:troll:

[sonick]

I am late to the party (this thread), I think a big part of it just comes from just being grateful about what you have. You are obviously making good financial decision by not buying a new depreciating asset to fulfill your desire for ownership experience.

Yah 100% agree with this, gratitude is huge just in terms of life fulfillment and happiness.

Whenever I look at or drive my E82, I still feel like the kid in university amazed and lucky that I actually own such a cool car, meanwhile to other ppl see it as a 14 year old 'beater'.

[Badhobz]

I wish I was still the 20 year old me instead of the almost 40 year old me. I used to be grateful just having power windows and 118hp. It seems as money goes up, so does your inability to be grateful over the little things.

My dad got into a small rear ender yesterday and the first thing I thought was on his old RX 400h is a piece of shit now (still runs fine, 192,000kms on it) and hopefully I can give him the wife’s RX and buy us a new GX. Thankfully the wife talked some sense in me and told me to calm my man tits as 1) his won’t be written off due to a minor scratch on the bumper 2) she loves her rx and doesn’t wanna get rid of it 3) why the hell do we need another v8 in the family ?!? Especially a daily v8 ?!

If it wasn’t for her my head would be up in the clouds and my Pockets empty.

[supafamous]

Cars have always been a source of release for me - clearing out the stress of life whether I'm working on them or driving them (except for the commute). I used to help my dad do maintenance on our cars - particularly the 1984 Plymouth Voyager (wood panels!) that he had converted to run natural gas (!!!).

Converting an underpowered minivan to run on natural gas was a waste of money that took away all the trunk space the van had which sounds pretty much like the kind of thing I've done with my cars whether it's buying aftermarket exhausts (and selling them), changing the suspension or taking the interior out to soundproof it.

Of all the cars I've owned the two I missed the most are my NC Miata and my Protege5 - frisky fun all day long, I'd always have a smile on my face with those two. And the one that got away were a pair of 2006 NC Special Editions that I could have gotten on the cheap about 5 years ago. If the Porsche dream doesn't happen then I'd still happily kick around in a ND (I need my cars to feel alive).

[sonick]

Weekly gratitude journalling has helped me immensely since I started it 3 years ago.


Of all the cars I've owned the two I missed the most are my NC Miata and my Protege5 - frisky fun all day long, I'd always have a smile on my face with those two. And the one that got away were a pair of 2006 NC Special Editions that I could have gotten on the cheap about 5 years ago. If the Porsche dream doesn't happen then I'd still happily kick around in a ND (I need my cars to feel alive).

Yeah loved my manual P5 too.

[trollface]

Weekly gratitude journalling has helped me immensely since I started it 3 years ago.


what exactly is this?

[sonick]

what exactly is this?

Basically writing down 5 things I was grateful for from the past week, big or small. Can be about something that went well with work or personally, a good meal, good weather, or even quality time spent playing with my dogs. I do it every Sunday night before bed.

In my experience the actual journalling wasn't what helps, but rather the practice of it weekly made me more aware of being grateful for things around me day to day.

[JDMDreams]

^^ sometimes I get this a thought like this, at my age, my parents, some friend's on FB seems a lot more mature, have kids already, married. Meanwhile I'm here looking at cars and houses to buy:pokerface:

[Tapioca]

Reading this thread again definitely can bring a sense of doom and gloom for people.

No offense, but 6 cars?

I have gotten into the habit of daily gratitude journaling and it has definitely helped my mental health.

[Badhobz]

dont judge guys. 6 cars might seem excessive, but in all honesty compared to the price of houses nowadays, its chump change.

You can have 6 cars at 5-10k each and barely squeak out the same price as a rav4 prime.

I know Skunkworks has much more valuable cars than that, but lets say his fleet is worth north of 300k. so what? thats barely the amount being negotiated off the table when it comes to homes.

Just take a look at the price of your own fleet right now...

Dark has a prius prime and a model 3 and a bike. thats what north of 120k in total right now?
Bic Baws got a CTR and a 5 series which combined are probably north of 150k?

your average revscene-er are all pushing 6 figure fleets.

EXCEPT TROLLFACE
who has negative $$$ because all the old men just suck up all the value as they huddle around his datsun and lick it. peepoClappeepoClap

[SkunkWorks]

Reading this thread again definitely can bring a sense of doom and gloom for people.

No offense, but 6 cars?

Not sure if this is directed at me. To clarify, I'm not ungrateful for the cars, I've alluded in my previous post that I'm both privileged and grateful to have them around. It's the fact that each car's responsibilities when combined together is overbearing and taken some of the enjoyment of owning them. Especially since they're all old, they've a lot of needs unlike a turnkey modern car.

The 6 cars aren't even worth one Badhobz LC Corolla :lol

The ideal would be 3 - the classic one to wrench and events, a fun daily, and the family hauler.

[Badhobz]

me: Lousy ratrolla!! You're suppose to be the chosen one. you were suppose to bring balance to the hobz by blending japanese reliability with Italian things.

ratrolla: https://media.tenor.com/gv4V0qyiWLcAAAAC/star-wars-i-hate-you.gif

[JDMDreams]

How do you guys even have space, I find even 3 is pushing it, I'm too poor to insure all 3 at a time and can't drive that many. Also a pain in the ass to shuffle them around buy storage, keep battery charged etc

[Tapioca]

dont judge guys. 6 cars might seem excessive, but in all honesty compared to the price of houses nowadays, its chump change.

your average revscene-er are all pushing 6 figure fleets.



I'll play this game:

The total worth of my cars is probably 30K, at most. Our most modern car, a MK7 VW, is probably worth 17-18K at most. My daily driver, a 6-speed Mazda 6 is probably worth 5K even though it's a great car that needs nothing. My "fun" car is an old E46 convertible that needs work. I bought it for ~4K last year.

But, I do understand that I'm not the average poster in this thread. I'm more like an average guy who would, again, after reading this thread, wonder about their life choices.

[Badhobz]

But, I do understand that I'm not the average poster in this thread. I'm more like an average guy who would, again, after reading this thread, wonder about their life choices.

dont do that to yourself dude. We should all be thankful that we have enough extra time to come to a internet forum and express our views while we have food in our mouths and rooves over our heads.

yeah some might have it better but who cares. Comparing yourself to others is an exercise in futility and ultimately self destructive.

[BIC_BAWS]

Bic Baws got a CTR and a 5 series which combined are probably north of 150k?

Cost 55K + 20K
Market value 45K + 18K? Good value btw.

[Badhobz]

dafaq!? you can get a modern bimmer 5 series for 20k!?

well there ya go, thats how little i know of the market.

[bcrdukes]

Certain models of the 5 series hit rock bottom depreciation for a variety of reasons so you can pick one up for $20K. Not sure how the market is these days.

[trollface]

The trick is to buy a house 10 years ago.

[GS8]

I have 4 cars but gave one to my dad after the transmission on his truck blew. He was planning on buying a new SUV or truck (he's over 70 y/o btw). I told him no and just gave him my big green Buick (appropriate car for him anyway). I don't see him driving for much longer so a new car payment at this phase of his life is dumb.

My 3 remaining cars are all insured and daily'd while also serving different purposes. If I had to clear my inventory, I'd keep my van simply for practical reasons, let alone styling reasons.

But as the desire for a freehold houses pushes me into other provinces where I strongly consider the decision to move forward with, at least I'll have a good vehicle to take my minimal belongings to the next chapter of my life.

[68style]

Reading this thread again definitely can bring a sense of doom and gloom for people.

No offense, but 6 cars?

I have gotten into the habit of daily gratitude journaling and it has definitely helped my mental health.

Funny enough, up until a couple weeks ago I had 6 cars... 5 now... but it's kind of a source of doom and gloom for me in the opposite way you would think.

Sometimes it makes me feel wasteful... and other times I realize collectively ALL my cars are worth less than a new 911... like even at massively overwrought current market prices I might be able to sell all of them combined for like $120,000???

Meanwhile I can go to Superstore for some milk and people's side throwaway car they don't give a fuck about are worth more than all 6 of mine combined were.

Also they're all super old, the newest one is 2004... so you ain't impressing ANYONE except other car enthusiasts. Not that it's the goal, but sometimes it's like fuckkkk what am I even doing. hahahah

[underscore]

At one point we peaked at I think 8 vehicles? 1991 Celica GTFour, 1992 Celica GT-S, 2007 Grand Cherokee CRD, 2000 Cherokee, 2005 Matrix XR, 1997 Prelude, 1987 RX-7 and a 2009 Konker 200SM. Total value was sweet fuck all, at the time maybe $40k tops? That was a chaotic mess though. 3 is comfortable, 4 will be a little bit of a squeeze but doable if I ever get a GRC.

And when I do take the cars out, I'm worried about something happening to them - the 911 is worth way too much, the Insight is irreplaceable if it gets totaled, Landcruiser's too mint to take off-road.

I used to worry about that a lot, but with the exception of maybe your 911 pretty much all of our cars are going to end up destroyed at some point anyways. Either they'll get priced off the road or sold to someone else who will end up wrecking it one way or another. I figure if that's going to happen I may as well be the one enjoying it and risking damaging it rather than the random kid who'd end up with it.

[Gerbs]

I think a GR corolla, or the new CTR will be just as much fun but a fraction of the cost.

Should try the Veloster N it's more fun :ilied:

I wish I was still the 20 year old me instead of the almost 40 year old me. I used to be grateful just having power windows and 118hp. It seems as money goes up, so does your inability to be grateful over the little things.
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I feel ya on the power windows, that's why it's strategically best to slowly jump into the next car before going from a $10K car > $60K > $180K. I remember in highschool the RSX-S was the fastest butt dyno that I can recall, heart was racing the entire time. When I finally got the RSX-S Beater as a daily, it was like a 3/10 in excitement after owning a CSX-S and S2000 for close to 4 years. Much rather pay less for maintenance and get a 2005 civic.

I realized that test driving or sitting in fun cars ruined my appreciation for the old cars that used to be a 11/10 for me. Especially when you get older and your friends start rolling into that tech / senior manager + / small business money and suddenly you have access to driving V8's and V10's.

Man, I remember from 2012 - 2021, I used to get so excited to sit in a preludes, lancers, clapped out civics, v6 accords, GSR, 350z, 370z, Type R's, STI's, WRX's, EVO's. I guess it's not exciting anymore cause at some point you sit in every car.

[EvoFire]

The trick is to buy a house 10 years ago.

Should have bought a house instead of finishing highschool :lol


Instead of things that we enjoy, how about the shit that I am not enjoying right now?
The X3 went in for regular maintenance, and the rear left axle seal is leaking. 35k only. Yes it's under warranty, but god damn that's annoying.

I asked about my M3's maintenance coming up. 7500 before taxes HAHAHA. Yes it's dealer price and no I'm not going to pay them to do it, but lol fml. They want 1800 for sparkplugs (top mount air to water intercooler ftl)

[Traum]

I asked about my M3's maintenance coming up. 7500 before taxes HAHAHA. Yes it's dealer price and no I'm not going to pay them to do it, but lol fml. They want 1800 for sparkplugs (top mount air to water intercooler ftl)
What kind of work is supposed to be included in that $7500 maintenance?

If they want $1800 for doing spark plugs, I guess there can only be 3 or 4 things included in that $7500 service.

[!Kodamu]

6 cars between two people isn't alot. Some here have already had 50+ cars already.

[EvoFire]

What kind of work is supposed to be included in that $7500 maintenance?

If they want $1800 for doing spark plugs, I guess there can only be 3 or 4 things included in that $7500 service.

My front brakes are due because I track and autox the car, that's $2500. The rears are 1800. The sparks are 1800. The rest is just "regular" stuff like filters, oil change, diff fluid change etc, all >$200 per item. The regular stuff I am thinking of letting them do since the car is still under warranty for another year. He quoted me $1145 for two more maintenance which would include the sparks next year. I'm thinking of just doing it as BMW warranty is pretty damn good and if you have maintenance done with them they typically let things slide as long as you haven't tuned the car, which I haven't, and don't plan to.

That's not including the 2400 I just paid for new summers this year :drunk:

[68style]

but it's the ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE

and BLUE... not grey or white

[EvoFire]

but it's the ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE

and BLUE... not grey or white

The white ultimate money burning machine... err gray..... errrr blue..... :rukidding:

[68style]

To be fair, I think they were too distracted by my sexy

[Badhobz]

To quote dukes. Fuck that car….

[Gerbs]

My front brakes are due because I track and autox the car, that's $2500. The rears are 1800. The sparks are 1800. The rest is just "regular" stuff like filters, oil change, diff fluid change etc, all >$200 per item. The regular stuff I am thinking of letting them do since the car is still under warranty for another year. He quoted me $1145 for two more maintenance which would include the sparks next year. I'm thinking of just doing it as BMW warranty is pretty damn good and if you have maintenance done with them they typically let things slide as long as you haven't tuned the car, which I haven't, and don't plan to.

That's not including the 2400 I just paid for new summers this year :drunk:

That sounds reasonable because those are all wear and tear items. Got spooked and thought you had to pay for brakes + sparks + fluid changes and in addition a $7,800 electrical/engine issue

[Badhobz]

At those prices you might as well drive a Maserati or a Ferrari :ilied:

[GIZZ]

I probably had owned a dozen cars by the time I ditched grade 12. In 04/05 I saved 100G in a year selling my cars. I was looking at a gry market 288gto with nowhere to park it, instead I put a down payment on my first house. This was the right move for me, but who would have thought (some)car prices would outpace property.

[dark0821]

The trick is to buy a house 10 years ago.

lolol yea right...I did buy one... in 2010 with parents + inlaws massive help ofc

But nope... doesnt help for shitz lolol, my property taxes keeps going up year after year... and yes.. there is equity, so what? Its not like I can sell, uproot and move to middle of no where in Saskatchwen.... I mean I probably could because I am banana enough, but my kids, their education and my wife hardcore asian LOL...

Its more like now I am bound by my mortgage and I am fucked either way, I cant stop, because the price to stop is way higher to just keep going...

[bcrdukes]

To quote dukes. Fuck that car….

fucking stupid coloured car lol what a bullshit POS haha

[twitchyzero]

current daily needs a differential replaced while the other two are uninsured, one of which the alternator's been out of the car for 6 months :lol

a blessing and a curse i dont own a driveway because i would be tempted to fill it with more shitboxes

[LP700-4]

Fun topic...

Is there really a point in time where we as car guys really look at our cars and say "Yeah, these are the ones" and keep ourselves content forever?

I've been fortunate to be able to climb the ladder of car ownership from when I joined the forum I had a $1000 beater dodge to a TL Type-S, then B8 S4, then F80 M3 (my "dream" car)

I figured out in the M3 that if you daily drive the car it's no longer special to you. So I bought another fun-ish car to drive more (GR86) and daily EV but that didn't make sense after a while having 4 vehicles at once under insurance with my motorcycle and with the logistics of parking each and planning which car to have for which occasion and how many passengers you might have etc.

So I sold them all except the daily EV and was able to buy a Cayman GTS 4.0

Life seems simpler now with one daily and one fun/track car. Like it should be. But is it?

Can't really mod Porsche's too much apart from small things so it will stay mostly as-is and after driving the daily everyday through this winter I'm bored again. I do enjoy the cars I have now but struggle to be content and am always looking at alternatives.

[BIC_BAWS]

I had a lot of thought into this topic and started writing (rambling) so here's a shortened version of it. Every car that I've driven extensively (dealership, friend's) or I've owned has a story to it. The enjoyment is more so in the reflection of memories or moments.

I often find myself struggling between making a practical and reasonable choice (read: boring - like an Ioniq Hybrid with 900km of range) or a "fun" choice like the Civic Type R. Like LP700 mentioned, if you daily drive the car it's no longer special to you. The Type R is too reliable. Too good. There's no visceral excitement like my previous vehicles.

I've come to (recently) realize that the "excitement" in my previous vehicles came from it being an absolute death trap (E36 M3) or mod creep (E46 330ci). I drove my friend's 964 C2 the other day. It was an absolutely terrifying experience. It's probably the most expensive car I've driven on the street, the steering is heavy as hell, the car rattles and feels like it'll send me off the road at any minute. It reminded me a lot of my E36 M3, so much so that I have confirmation that old cars are not for me. The Type R on the other hand, it handles everything with ease, and that's the beauty of it. I'm not constantly hyper aware of everything and I can just trust that the car will handle it. I don't even revmatch in the FK8 because auto revmatch is so good. And to be quite honest, revmatching in the FK8 isn't as satisfying as other German cars.

All my life, I've heard about how great these Hondas are. I'm blessed to have driven several AP1 S2000s, an ITR, FA5/CSX-S and to own my FK8, but I don't think the hype is warranted. [I have similar sentiments with my E46 M3. The engine sounded great but it didn't handle as lightly as my 330. Don't meet your heros]. Once you've done a perfect revmatch/heel toe in a German car, it feels so much more satisfying - the E90 M3, E46 M3, E36 M3, 964 C2 are examples I have driven and gotten it right off the bat.

In summary, I came to the conclusion that you just need to find the right car. For me, it's the Type R. It can be boring, but that's the beauty of something that can do everything. I just gotta get rid of the loud exhaust. All in all, I don't regret my car experiences - first track days, first RevScene meet, first auto-x, etc. I'm pretty blessed to have made friends over the internet on this forum, even after it's peak.

Notable mentions - daily drivers:



Veloster N - a great contender. It's no Type R, but imagine all the hoot and excitement in a burble tuned BMW packed into a hot hatch - it's pretty awesome.

F10 535i - with a downpipe and a burble tune, it's hilarious. Straight pipe it and you literally are that meme but it's just so fun. Reminds me of my E36 M3 just send it for LOLs.

RoverT's 335d/540d - If I wanted a practical daily driver that isn't an EV, this is what I would pick. Hilariously fun like the F10 but in a different way. The torque is absolutely insane.

[unit]

i really do like my car a lot! its nice to drive in the city and can also go on FSRs, even some rough ones with no issues.
i did give it a 2" lift and put 1" bigger A/T tires on it, so it's a bit tall now but only with minor sacrifices to fuel efficiency and comfort.
we go mushroom foraging and also hiking so it gets us to any of the popular trailheads that say high clearance 4x4, such as brandywine, cheam, or up the fsr to the sea to sky gondola.

https://i.ibb.co/wMcspbs/IMG-1021.jpg

[Badhobz]

Wow those views alone are worth it. I’m always afraid I’ll get stranded on those FSRs or I’ll break down. Last time we busted a Range Rover doing that exact thing

[underscore]

Wow those views alone are worth it. I’m always afraid I’ll get stranded on those FSRs or I’ll break down. Last time we busted a Range Rover doing that exact thing

There's your problem.

[Gerbs]

Fun topic...

Is there really a point in time where we as car guys really look at our cars and say "Yeah, these are the ones" and keep ourselves content forever?

So I sold them all except the daily EV and was able to buy a Cayman GTS 4.0

Life seems simpler now with one daily and one fun/track car. Like it should be. But is it?

Can't really mod Porsche's too much apart from small things so it will stay mostly as-is and after driving the daily everyday through this winter I'm bored again. I do enjoy the cars I have now but struggle to be content and am always looking at alternatives.

I'm contemplating doing that in < 3 to 5 years or so. Trade in the S2K + Veloster N for a Cayman GTS or GT4 or even the new Lotus. Get a cheap beater EV/Hybrid since I realized I don't find any daily that i can afford exciting anymore.

But I'm glad to hear in a sad way that you did exactly what I planned to do and also don't find it fun anymore, maybe that means that the cars I have today is what I'll have 10-20+years from now. You lived the Cayman GTS life so I don't have to lol.

[Badhobz]

It all boils down to personality I guess. If you can be satisfied with the same car for 20 years then perfect, but most of us find little issues here and there and want more. This constant desire to have everything and compromise nothing is next to impossible to satisfy. but it’s sure as hell fun to try.

[The Producer]

It all boils down to personality I guess. If you can be satisfied with the same car for 20 years then perfect, but most of us find little issues here and there and want more. This constant desire to have everything and compromise nothing is next to impossible to satisfy. but it’s sure as hell fun to try.

that's why I still think about making a local car trade program/website setup

car guys that want to try new things. establish a "value" for your vehicle, but you have to at least part trade with another member.

for example right now I would trade my 996 for an E46 M3. Somewhere my opposite exists that wants to try out the porsche life. I've put in my 3+ years, I'm ready for a change - and I can't just keep buying cars without letting something go.

Cars don't have to be exactly the same value but close. Save tax, try new things, don't get bored. Low to no cost to be able to mix it up.

[AstulzerRZD]

I often find myself struggling between making a practical and reasonable choice. Too good. There's no visceral excitement like my previous vehicles.
[/SPOILER]

Reading the whole post too me for a roller coaster AHA. Cool that we've got a similar mindset but ended up with a different conclusion/tactics.

Yes. So many cars these days are really 'refined' - finding something that's liveable YET stimulating can be difficult.

As for cars that still feel special, the list dwindles year after year with the way things are headed... but I'll never get tired of top down coming home from work, the fresh forest air, the smell of the ocean, the sun in my hair brings visceral excitement. For me, every convertible is fun in the PNW from early Feb to late October.

Whatever I drive HAS to make the hair on my back stand up though I drive 29-30k KM a year (commuting 2 days a week, the rest for adventures). After trying 130+ cars, these make me giggle every drive while being easy enough to live with:

* MB C43/63 with the drivers pack
* Challenger 392 has my heart... highway cruise is quieter than E class
* Wrangler 392 made me want one badly after yesterday
* AP1/ND2 (with the Recaros please)
* 500 Abarth/Veloster N

As to how I do this... I work backwards - I find the car I like them make it work for my lifestyle (AP1 had a trailer hitch). I've moved big things in the S2000 but I also rent ZipCar/Modo minivans for an hour to move big furniture.

I can also relate to the "perennial recommended cars" not making me happy: Giulia 2.0, 981 GTS, 991 Cup, Mk7 GTI (R is a bit better, the point and shoot nature with AWD encourages me to realy rip it), JCW Cooper, FK8, GR STI, F80, RSX-S, TSX 6MT, F30/G20 340i xDrive and RWD variants, etc just had very little spice to them. Pass the chili sauce please. ��️

[Gerbs]

It all boils down to personality I guess. If you can be satisfied with the same car for 20 years then perfect, but most of us find little issues here and there and want more. This constant desire to have everything and compromise nothing is next to impossible to satisfy. but it’s sure as hell fun to try.

I think most people are satisfied because they can't financially upgrade to anything more fun than their current car. I guess my desire stops at whatever level I think I can still afford.

[Gerbs]

* AP1/ND2 (with the Recaros please)
* 500 Abarth/Veloster N

As to how I do this... I work backwards - I find the car I like them make it work for my lifestyle (AP1 had a trailer hitch). I've moved big things in the S2000 but I also rent ZipCar/Modo minivans for an hour to move big furniture.


There's no better combo than the S2000 and Veloster N for the money, if your criteria is fun and cheap.

I've tried the C63 507 / Mustang 5.0 and still need to try the E92 M3 as a daily. But none of them made my hair stand up like you said. The E63s did but I can't afford that atm, pretty sure I'd kill myself in that thing. It went like 0- 200KM on No.3 Road in like 10 seconds lol.

If anyone has a recommendation on an upgrade that is more fun, I wanna hear it, I'm trying to find something great that's worth striving for but I can't find it.

[AstulzerRZD]

There's no better combo than the S2000 and Veloster N for the money, if your criteria is fun and cheap.

I've tried the C63 507 / Mustang 5.0 and still need to try the E92 M3 as a daily. But none of them made my hair stand up like you said. The E63s did but I can't afford that atm, pretty sure I'd kill myself in that thing. It went like 0- 200KM on No.3 Road in like 10 seconds lol.

If anyone has a recommendation on an upgrade that is more fun, I wanna hear it, I'm trying to find something great that's worth striving for but I can't find it.

The Seattle s2k mekanik said he sees more owners upgrading to Ferrari/Lambo/McLaren level car instead of BMW or Porsche...

That said, wonder if a drop top C43/63 would change the experience for you.
Air Scarf keeps you "in nature" for more of the year, top coming down makes all the sensations and exhaust more obvious.
AMG Driver Pack is a must for the Veloster N like exhaust.

[KayC]

I'm contemplating doing that in < 3 to 5 years or so. Trade in the S2K + Veloster N for a Cayman GTS or GT4 or even the new Lotus. Get a cheap beater EV/Hybrid since I realized I don't find any daily that i can afford exciting anymore.

But I'm glad to hear in a sad way that you did exactly what I planned to do and also don't find it fun anymore, maybe that means that the cars I have today is what I'll have 10-20+years from now. You lived the Cayman GTS life so I don't have to lol.

Thats where I am at at the moment. GT4 as a track/ weekend car only and a Tesla Model 3 as a daily that I share between my wife and I. Before the GT4, I had a fk8 Type R and I honestly had more fun in terms of modding it, being able to use it more, not having to worry where I park it, going out with my wife and son in it etc.

Since I don't drive the GT4 a lot (WFH 100% of the time) and where my life situation is at, I feel like I don't get to enjoy it as much as I can. However, driving the tesla as the daily/ errand beater, the extreme difference in driving characteristics between the two cars makes me appreciate the GT4 every time I do get a chance to take it out.

[Gerbs]

Thats where I am at at the moment. GT4 as a track/ weekend car only and a Tesla Model 3 as a daily that I share between my wife and I. Before the GT4, I had a fk8 Type R and I honestly had more fun in terms of modding it, being able to use it more, not having to worry where I park it, going out with my wife and son in it etc.

Since I don't drive the GT4 a lot (WFH 100% of the time) and where my life situation is at, I feel like I don't get to enjoy it as much as I can. However, driving the tesla as the daily/ errand beater, the extreme difference in driving characteristics between the two cars makes me appreciate the GT4 every time I do get a chance to take it out.

Trade ya for the S2K :ilied:

But yeah, when you don't drive the car a lot, aka < 12K total and maybe 2,000km for the S2000. You start to think if it's even worth having something expensive sitting vs investing it elsewhere.

[EvoFire]

Just use it like a family car. I'm sure you can put a baby in the GT4 frunk :lol

[donk.]

If a time machine is invented, most people would go back in time to see the pyramids being built or some shit

Then there's the car forum:

I'd go back to the day I bought my 92 civic si and floored all 142hp up heritage mountain

[The Producer]

Trade ya for the S2K :ilied:

But yeah, when you don't drive the car a lot, aka < 12K total and maybe 2,000km for the S2000. You start to think if it's even worth having something expensive sitting vs investing it elsewhere.


It is invested - in happiness dollars

There’s an obsession to have every dollar in some super appreciating market. S2K dollars are doing just fine where they are no matter how much you use it.


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[dark0821]

Thats where I am at at the moment. GT4 as a track/ weekend car only and a Tesla Model 3 as a daily that I share between my wife and I. Before the GT4, I had a fk8 Type R and I honestly had more fun in terms of modding it, being able to use it more, not having to worry where I park it, going out with my wife and son in it etc.

Since I don't drive the GT4 a lot (WFH 100% of the time) and where my life situation is at, I feel like I don't get to enjoy it as much as I can. However, driving the tesla as the daily/ errand beater, the extreme difference in driving characteristics between the two cars makes me appreciate the GT4 every time I do get a chance to take it out.

Goodddaaaaamnnnnm, first.. congratz! second... uber jelly lolol

thankfully I am a poor mf, so GT4 is way out of my budget... but ultimately this is actually my end game, keep the TM3 and get a P car (like a 997.1 carrera S 6MT, high milage but well documented, it would be awesome to just take if off a friend's hands, I just realized all my used car purchases are off people I know), told myself to make it happen before I am 40... so just a few years left lolol...

Problem is.. 911 prices are stupid money these days...

[supafamous]

If a time machine is invented, most people would go back in time to see the pyramids being built or some shit

Then there's the car forum:

I'd go back to the day I bought my 92 civic si and floored all 142hp up heritage mountain

Yeah, I'd go back in time and tell my 2015 self not to sell the NC I had at the time cause I was gonna regret it real bad.

[fliptuner]

Some here have already had 50+ cars already.
Or still have lol

[EvoFire]

Nope, still going back to see the pyramids get built, walk Rome/Kyoto/Chang'an/Venice during it's respective heydays/golden age, fuck cars, I have a M3 already lol.

[kjlks]

that's why I still think about making a local car trade program/website setup

car guys that want to try new things. establish a "value" for your vehicle, but you have to at least part trade with another member.

for example right now I would trade my 996 for an E46 M3. Somewhere my opposite exists that wants to try out the porsche life. I've put in my 3+ years, I'm ready for a change - and I can't just keep buying cars without letting something go.

Cars don't have to be exactly the same value but close. Save tax, try new things, don't get bored. Low to no cost to be able to mix it up.

Will trade my ex for an Evo (hell, even a corolla would be worth way more...)

[AzNightmare]

The Fiesta ST was already a fun car right out of the box. Part of my enjoyment was the process of buying it new and slowly working on it throughout the past 7 years of ownership, many of the work done on it myself. It's making around 290whp now and it's a riot.

I'm a fan of smaller, lightweight cars so I haven't really been tempted to want anything else when the typical modern car just keeps getting heavier and heavier, and I already have more than enough power to have fun when I go on cruises.

[Eff-1]

I take the bus!

On the weekend, we share our one car (or I take the bus).

Traffic is just so horrible it makes me mad sitting in it. While on transit, I can zone out. And I'm saving money which we spend on other things.

We live very close to a rapidbus line. It's super convenient.

Eventually we may have to get a second car and if we do, I'll have to consider one that my wife is comfortable driving too (so that limits my choices).

Luxury, comfort, cargo room, with a sporty nature is top of my list now. After owning an AP2 for many years, I have no desire to get back into something like that.

Yesterday I was following a 997 GT3 RS and I thought "man what an awful car" lol.

But a Cayenne? or RR sport? If I win the lottery, I'll take both.

[Simplex123]

Like LP700 mentioned, if you daily drive the car it's no longer special to you. The Type R is too reliable. Too good. There's no visceral excitement like my previous vehicles.

@badhobz As someone who drove one on pace to 25k/yr, I can confirm all of this.
If you were thinking to sell/trade your daily for it, you can get it off your mind. The FK8 is hella boring as a daily driver.
If you were to track the car, it would be a different story.

for example right now I would trade my 996 for an E46 M3. Somewhere my opposite exists that wants to try out the porsche life.

What are you looking for in the E46 that the E36 isn't offering you? I would say the main draw to it would be that it is more refined, the induction noise via a CSL-like box is readily available and easily achievable, and that it makes slightly more power (but even then it's also a heavier car). For the rest I would take the E36M3>E46M3

[Badhobz]

really? me and dark just took it around richmond for a bit and i was grinning my ass off. that engine is buzzy, communicative, and feels as old school as a EK civic. The shifting was super enjoyable (i havent driven manual in a while so maybe thats why) while the chassis was sporty and plush enough to use as a daily.

Man if you gents think thats boring, id outta lend you my novocaine camry.

[The Producer]

What are you looking for in the E46 that the E36 isn't offering you? I would say the main draw to it would be that it is more refined, the induction noise via a CSL-like box is readily available and easily achievable, and that it makes slightly more power (but even then it's also a heavier car). For the rest I would take the E36M3>E46M3

simply a new experience. I have very little time behind the wheel of an E46M3 but I liked it. I'd like to spend a year in an E90 also.

and yes - I would go for a CSL type setup if I had one.

[Gerbs]

Is there anywhere you can test drive the FK8 Type R?

[radeonboy]

Is there anywhere you can test drive the FK8 Type R?

I've seen them on Turo before but I can't seem to find one right now. Best bet is probably an existing owner?

[AstulzerRZD]

Is there anywhere you can test drive the FK8 Type R?

where bicbaws at

[EvoFire]

What are you looking for in the E46 that the E36 isn't offering you? I would say the main draw to it would be that it is more refined, the induction noise via a CSL-like box is readily available and easily achievable, and that it makes slightly more power (but even then it's also a heavier car). For the rest I would take the E36M3>E46M3

What's your opinion on the big differences between the 36 and 46? Before I bought our house I was thinking of buying a E46M for shits and giggles and test drove a few. I really liked the car and did not find it lacking in power even coming from a F80. Ultimately the right car didn't come up and I bought a house which meant no more extra toys.

[Dbone]

I think the 36 is (was?) underrated so it's a better deal.

Other than that, I found the 46 felt quite a bit faster, and had a nicer interior.

The 36 felt like a bit of a tin can. Maybe the others feel differently... mine had some cheap coil-overs on so it smashed and crashed over everything. I do miss that sweet inline 6. It sounded great, and was smooooooth.

Just to be clear, I've not owned an E46 M3, but I've been in a few both on the street and track.

[BIC_BAWS]

The 36 felt like a bit of a tin can. Maybe the others feel differently... mine had some cheap coil-overs on so it smashed and crashed over everything. I do miss that sweet inline 6. It sounded great, and was smooooooth.

I agree with this, but my E36 M3 was $6500 and lowered on racelands lol. Tbh, the E36 M3 feels like a faster E46 330ci, which isn't bad because I quite liked mine.


Is there anywhere you can test drive the FK8 Type R?

You might be able to find a dealer who will let it happen now that the recession is kicking in. Otherwise, PM me. I've got a Golf R for two weeks so you can take the FK8 if you want LOL.

When I bought my car, they refused to give me a test drive until I bitched at them about it.

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[68style]

You haven't lived until you lose your brakes into a corner with BIC_BAWS

[The Producer]

I agree with this, but my E36 M3 was $6500 and lowered on racelands lol. Tbh, the E36 M3 feels like a faster E46 330ci, which isn't bad because I quite liked mine.

I think you mean your 15k M3
Or maybe that was Joe Fiasco's price


I've got a Golf R for two weeks so you can take the FK8 if you want LOL.


that's actually a comparison I'm interested in hearing about.

[BIC_BAWS]

I think you mean your 15k M3

Or maybe that was Joe Fiasco's price

That was Joe Fiasco's price. His new e36 M3 that you put a bid on is still for sale lol









that's actually a comparison I'm interested in hearing about.

My friend that I'm borrowing it from also has a red FK8. He absolutely hated the golf r on track. I'm curious how it fairs on a daily driver aspect

[The Producer]

That was Joe Fiasco's price. His new e36 M3 that you put a bid on is still for sale lol

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i know :ilied:

he told me to bid what I thought it was worth so i did


My friend that I'm borrowing it from also has a red FK8. He absolutely hated the golf r on track. I'm curious how it fairs on a daily driver aspect

I took my R out to cones on the weekend. It was awesome. Might have to try some track days w it this summer. Need track tires tho - stock contis are pretty garb when pushed.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52826027181_c956e0d8b6_b.jpg

[roastpuff]

My friend that I'm borrowing it from also has a red FK8. He absolutely hated the golf r on track. I'm curious how it fairs on a daily driver aspect

We have some mindblowingly fast Mk7 R's at Auto-X. They're stupid fast, usually top of the class. Granted the drivers are pretty damn good too, lol.

[teggy604]

Unless its a Euro Spec 286 hp E36 M3, I rather go with the E46 M3. I read BMW really drop the bomb on the USDM E36 M3.

[68style]

or ball... we would have also accepted ball

[Simplex123]

simply a new experience. I have very little time behind the wheel of an E46M3 but I liked it. I’d like to spend a year in an E90 also and yes - I would go for a CSL type setup if I had one.

I haven’t tracked or autoX either cars, so my experience lies within driving them at 7-8/10ths in our local mountains/backroads. It's also been quite a few years since I've driven an E36M3, but the last time I drove them back to back, I would say in terms of driving feel/responsiveness the E36M3 wins.

You might just appreciate your E36M3 more after driving a 46 for an extended period of time hahaha

What’s your opinion on the big differences between the 36 and 46? Before I bought our house I was thinking of buying a E46M for shits and giggles and test drove a few. I really liked the car and did not find it lacking in power even coming from a F80. Ultimately the right car didn’t come up and I bought a house which meant no more extra toys.
Not saying the E46M3 is a bad car - it drives amazing and the cabin is just modern enough that you can enjoy hours inside of it without feeling fatigued. But if it’s one of your fun cars and creature comfort/NVH is not at the top of your priority, then stock for stock I would choose the E36M3 for its rawness.

The E46M3’s drive is quite a bit more refined and maybe because of where I'm driving it - I'm not able to drive the car to its limits - it doesn't give me as much feedback as I'd like. In contrast with an E36M3 you can be going below impoundment speeds in the twisties, and still be able to feel the car rotating and know exactly where it wants to go.

Both cars require a good amount of driver input. It's just that the older car gives that one more ounce in comparison, and it's noticeable, especially in linking turns. That being said the E46M3 is much more of a mechanical car than modern cars like the FK8; where at times you can throw it into a corner and let it take you for a ride. It's just so good that you can trust it to pull you through time and time again - albeit with no thrills.

[Badhobz]

https://youtu.be/5IpnWtdv15M
Buyem now gents. It'll only get more Ev from now on

[BIC_BAWS]

that's actually a comparison I'm interested in hearing about. RE: Golf R vs Civic Type R


Initial Impressions: Both cars have R in their name, but only one feels like its something special.

The Golf R feels like the best gas version of an A to B car. In normal mode, it sounds like an EV - the car is dead quiet. All I hear is winter tire noise/road noise. In race mode, it actually sounds like a car LOL.

I have the car for the next two weeks so I will report back.

[donk.]

RE: Golf R vs Civic Type R


I have the car for the next two weeks so I will report back.

Trollface:

https://i.imgflip.com/46t5tx.gif

[JDMDreams]

Pics or it didn't happen

[trollface]

How come everyone have except me

LET ME IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[westopher]

All of it with the e36. Washing it, maintaining it, driving it with nowhere to go, driving it to work, being stuck in traffic and getting thumbs up and having people want to talk about it, driving somewhere nice to take photos of it, meeting buddies for covfefe on the weekend. 99% of the time behind the wheel I'm having a good time.
e30 is a lot more tedious in traffic, but all the other stuff remains, and it's even more fun when you've got nowhere to go on a Sunday at 7am.

[westopher]

Unless its a Euro Spec 286 hp E36 M3, I rather go with the E46 M3. I read BMW really drop the bomb on the USDM E36 M3.You read that from dudes on the internet who drive clapped out 318s in Romania though. The US spec m3 is lauded by automotive journalists from the day it came out until now. 46-80 more hp is cooler for sure, but other than plastic headlight lenses, everything else is identical. Handling is the point of the car in either configuration.

[Badhobz]

How come everyone have except me

LET ME IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2MSluOLM0U

[radeonboy]

How come everyone have except me

LET ME IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why not get a WRX and call it a day? They're easier to get, drives pretty decent, and holds their value well. If you don't like the cladding then get a darker color like black / grey.

[JDMDreams]

How is golf r Vs type r interior space, creature comforts? I guess the golf is better year round cuz it's awd, there was a type r stuck on boundary during the snow storm

[trollface]

Why not get a WRX and call it a day? They're easier to get, drives pretty decent, and holds their value well. If you don't like the cladding then get a darker color like black / grey.

Cuz Subaru has a long and wonderful history of their motors being giant pieces of shit.

I want trouble free proven 360+hp.

[Gerbs]

Why not get a WRX and call it a day? They're easier to get, drives pretty decent, and holds their value well. If you don't like the cladding then get a darker color like black / grey.

Base WRXs are not that much more fun to drive imo. Just feels like a faster economy sedan lol.

[Badhobz]

isnt that very much what the golf R is ? just a faster golf?

[westopher]

Golf's are way better to drive than Imprezas.

[BIC_BAWS]

isnt that very much what the golf R is ? just a faster golf?I haven't driven a regular golf.. but it sure ain't no BMW. Feels like I'm driving a Civic with better technology but the same amount of road noise.

Might be more road noise than my 9th gen civic, definitely more road noise and worse speakers than an 11th gen Si sedan, but of course it's a given that it has less road noise than the Type R.

It's only Day 1/2, but to keep it on relevance with the thread, I don't find enjoyment with the Golf R. It's a very mid experience. I'm gonna try ACC on the way home today so I hope that will be interesting

[trollface]

I cant hear road noise over my JL W7 12in sub driven by a 1200watt mono block.

[unit]

i miss my e36 328is. prob the car i miss the most

[The Producer]

I haven't driven a regular golf.. but it sure ain't no BMW. Feels like I'm driving a Civic with better technology but the same amount of road noise.

Might be more road noise than my 9th gen civic, definitely more road noise and worse speakers than an 11th gen Si sedan, but of course it's a given that it has less road noise than the Type R.

It's only Day 1/2, but to keep it on relevance with the thread, I don't find enjoyment with the Golf R. It's a very mid experience. I'm gonna try ACC on the way home today so I hope that will be interesting

find a straight stretch, put it in eco, set the ACC and chill. purrs along at 110 sub 2k rpm and i can barely tell it's running. Maybe the tires are loud.

it's still a golf - not sure who's looking for a luxury experience.

i'd have to spend some time around a civic to offer a fit and finish comparison. - i can't think of the last time i was in a japanese car at all besides tacomas.

[Gerbs]

It's only Day 1/2, but to keep it on relevance with the thread, I don't find enjoyment with the Golf R. It's a very mid experience. I'm gonna try ACC on the way home today so I hope that will be interesting

I also thought the 2021 Golf R was very very mid, same with GTI. It's fun but it's not a replacement for a proper sports car.

I think the Golf R might be better in DSG, the manual had 0 feel for me. Felt like a solid 3 - 5/10 semi sport econobox. :badpokerface:

Maybe it's one of those cars where your mindset is that I rather be in a Golf R than a C300 or a IS350? In those scenario's then Golf R is more fun.

[JDMDreams]

But dsg farts? Given how bad traffic is now a days, often times I enjoy just setting auto pilot then let the car drive it self. I can actually enjoy the scenery, music or zone out have convos

[BIC_BAWS]

I think the Golf R might be better in DSG, the manual had 0 feel for me. Felt like a solid 3 - 5/10 semi sport econobox. :badpokerface:


I test drove the 7.5R in manual right before test driving my red FK8. The FK8 was so much better that I purchased on the spot.


Maybe it's one of those cars where your mindset is that I rather be in a Golf R than a C300 or a IS350? In those scenario's then Golf R is more fun.

I think you hit it right on the nail here. If you're expecting ///M car or Type R level of excitement, soul or visceral feeling, the Golf R ain't it.

find a straight stretch, put it in eco, set the ACC and chill. purrs along at 110 sub 2k rpm and i can barely tell it's running. Maybe the tires are loud.

it's still a golf - not sure who's looking for a luxury experience.

i'd have to spend some time around a civic to offer a fit and finish comparison. - i can't think of the last time i was in a japanese car at all besides tacomas.

Even in normal mode driving around the city, I can barely tell it's running. I tried the ACC just now. The shortest following distance still has quite a bit of space for someone to cut in front of you. However, from previous research I know that like most other German cars (unlike Japanese cars) there are things that are Euro spec only (that uses the same modules) that you can just turn on. So with VAGCOM, I'd be able to make ACC more aggressive and turn on start/stop ACC. It's nice that the mfg allows you to change vehicle settings and features.

We can trade cars for a few days if you want haha. Though my Type R has an exhaust on it now, so NVH is out the door already lol.

^ I wonder how that Korean N feel is? Considering they supposedly poached a lot of ex German M? Ppl

This is correct. They poached Albert Biermann, the genius behind the E90/2 and E46 M3s, former BMW M Chief Engineer. It's very evident in the last gen G70 and Veloster N. I had a ton of fun in both cars - it was full of excitement and emotion. It's what I would expect the Golf R to be. I'm curious if my expectations of the R32s (MK4 and MK5) will be valid or does it feel more like a fast version of the golf?

[JDMDreams]

^ I wonder how that Korean N feel is? Considering they supposedly poached a lot of ex German M? Ppl

[unit]

holy fuck in all my time i've never seen someone reply to a post in the future

[Traum]

^ I wonder how that Korean N feel is? Considering they supposedly poached a lot of ex German M? Ppl
I drove an Elantra N at Mission last month, and came away very impressed. The chassis was incredibly solid, and the car's balance felt very neutral and light on its feet. The exhaust note was a little farty for me, but it wasn't the obnoxious crackle tune that the Veloster N / i30N (?) had. It felt like a big car though, and seemed pretty wide from the driver's seat.

https://scontent.fyvr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/338407378_1191810611461604_2370292042816764785_n.j pg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=93CCNmrWvskAX_n0W3-&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr3-1.fna&oh=00_AfB_OKZfZ-hNbkVz0s6xVQAG6tc6Xsg351J136fVPRh6Og&oe=644BBC90

I haven't driven an FK8 in a long time, so my memory of it is less vivid than what I remember about the Elantra N. But the FK8 felt much easier to drive, and easier to drive fast. It was also evidently more powerful too.

[donk.]

Cuz Subaru has a long and wonderful history of their motors being giant pieces of shit.

I want trouble free proven 360+hp.

Trouble free and vw/audi do not go in the same sentence.....

With that said, vw/audi are way more reliable than Subaru

[EvoFire]

Trouble free and vw/audi do not go in the same sentence.....

With that said, vw/audi are way more reliable than Subaru

I typically discourage ppl from buying Subarus now.

Turbo Subarus are a HUGE no unless you are a gearhead. Even gearheads I would tell them to caution.

Even non turbos are iffy. It wouldn't be so bad if they aren't so stuck with the whole CVT thing as they all have problems sooner or later. Nevermind the fit and finish is terrible and their gas mileage is also not great for the power they produce.

[radeonboy]

Welp I wish I knew that before taking delivery of a new WRX lol. People online seem to not have any major issues with the FA24 that's also in the Ascent and Outback, so hopefully I'll fare okay. Guess I'll find out over the next few years :lol

[Badhobz]

^do a review once you get it. I’m curious as well because it seems to be a lot of car for under 40k sticker.

[trollface]

Trouble free and vw/audi do not go in the same sentence.....

With that said, vw/audi are way more reliable than Subaru

I've dealt with two BMW z4's. I've seen some shit.

[radeonboy]

^do a review once you get it. I’m curious as well because it seems to be a lot of car for under 40k sticker.

I took delivery a week ago so it's still a bit early to write a review, but so far I'm really enjoying the vehicle and what it delivers for the price. It's a rugged alternative to the more road-oriented setup of its peers, and that opens the door to more driving conditions which I intend to take advantage of.

I chose the WRX because I wanted to try a new driving experience after owning an FK8 and MK7 GTI in the past. While the performance and handling of those two vehicles are superior on the road, I don't believe the new generation offers enough of a difference to sway me from the WRX, which aligns with my goal of trying something different.

[Vege]

Welp I wish I knew that before taking delivery of a new WRX lol. People online seem to not have any major issues with the FA24 that's also in the Ascent and Outback, so hopefully I'll fare okay. Guess I'll find out over the next few years :lol

FA24 has been out since 2019 on the Ascent and starting in 2020 for the Legacy and Outback. So far the biggest complaint is the RTV issue. Instead of a gasket, they used a silicone to seal the oil pan. Because there is excess silicone, the inside of the oil pan can collect these bits which can cause oil starvation. Some examples have been seen in the BRZ/GR86 (NA FA24 Engine), WRX and Outback.

I have a 2020 Legacy GT and so far so good. I haven't heard any Ascent issues with their FA24 but if you modify, that is a whole other discussion.

[trollface]

So the only problem with the engine is the RTV breaking, clogging the oil pickup tube, spinning the bearings, and making ur crank hammer the block to death until it windows.

That's quality right there, boys.

The best part? The prob wont warranty it. lol

[radeonboy]

I'll take the risk over having no vehicle to enjoy. And if it goes bad then hey, at least I get a story out of it.

[Tapioca]

So the only problem with the engine is the RTV breaking, clogging the oil pickup tube, spinning the bearings, and making ur crank hammer the block to death until it windows.

That's quality right there, boys.

The best part? The prob wont warranty it. lol

I thought Germans were bad with plastic parts and needless overengineering, but using RTV instead of a cheap gasket is straight out of the backyard mechanic playbook.

[JDMDreams]

I'm still surprised after like 40 years they still haven't figured out how to build a boxer or cvt

[trollface]

Just look at the EJ, that alone tells you they gave up engineering anything 20 years ago. Briggs and Stratton has had more revisions.

[yray]

RTV and no spray on for gasket??

what are they, backyard engine rebuilders??

[Badhobz]

According to car mechanic simulator 2021, I can even do a better job

[68style]

According to grammar simulator 2023, you cannot

:troll:

[Badhobz]

https://frinkiac.com/video/S06E08/Z73W1nj2wlOuZ24lNioNNfZou_4=.gif

That car mechanic simulator 2021 is an addictive game. I’ve spent many hours fixing stupid shit on digital / make belief cars and feeling like I did some honest wrenching lawl.

[BIC_BAWS]

find a straight stretch, put it in eco, set the ACC and chill. purrs along at 110 sub 2k rpm and i can barely tell it's running. Maybe the tires are loud.

I tossed on the BBS CH with PS4S today. I put it in eco and set the ACC at 90. Still evident road noise, but I guess my expectations are too high. I just don't find the Golf R as a driver's car. It's a good daily driver with a LOT of pep. I love the ACC and it would be great if it was slightly better (solved with VAGCOMM). The steering is direct, but numb. It's not confidence inspiring. The throttle response and transmission is pretty medicore, except for in Race.

I will say tho, I like the ACC + lane keep quite a bit. I barely have to hold the steering wheel LOL. And I think it goes to stop too.