[roastpuff]

Moving chat to here so we don't spam the snow tire thread with non snow tire chatter.

[AzNightmare]

LOL @ thread title.
Just make it an A/S & Summer tire discussion thread.

[bcrdukes]

lol

[whitev70r]

you should have to pay a fee for naming rights on a thread.

[EvoFire]

As long as this doesn't become looking for tires for dukes like looking for a car for bic_baws

[roastpuff]

As long as this doesn't become looking for tires for dukes like looking for a car for bic_baws

You mean trollface :troll:

[EvoFire]

You mean trollface :troll:

He should have bought the one in Kelowna /endtread

[bcrdukes]

Okay, in terms of rolling resistance, the crappy General stock tires the car came with offered really good fuel mileage. I would get 6.5KM/100km. On the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3, best I could get was 6.9/100km all highway.

[Badhobz]

How come you don’t think these all weather tires can survive TO’s winters ? According to the videos I’ve watched they seem to be able to perform adequately in snow and ice vs normal snow tires. :awwyeah:

Notice that I did not say cross climate 2s. I said all weather tires….uhhhh yeah peepoClappeepoClap

[TypeRNammer]

As long as this doesn't become looking for tires for dukes like looking for a car for bic_baws

Or you mean master window shopper trollface :lawl:

[bcrdukes]

Notice that I did not say cross climate 2s. I said all weather tires….uhhhh yeah peepoClappeepoClap

The only all weather tire that comes to mind are Cross Climate 2s :troll:

[trollface]

Just buy one of each.

I run an Indy500, Cross Climate 2, DWS 6 and General Artic Max on my Golf R.

[roastpuff]

Okay, in terms of rolling resistance, the crappy General stock tires the car came with offered really good fuel mileage. I would get 6.5KM/100km. On the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3, best I could get was 6.9/100km all highway.

Definitely not CC2s then - they are bad for rolling resistance, will add at least 0.5L/100KM to the fuel consumption.

DWS06+ has good fuel economy thanks to being lighter and less rolling resistance. On my old CSX basically no difference compared to the Uniroyal A/S my parents stuck on there before.

[EvoFire]

Definitely not CC2s then - they are bad for rolling resistance, will add at least 0.5L/100KM to the fuel consumption.

DWS06+ has good fuel economy thanks to being lighter and less rolling resistance. On my old CSX basically no difference compared to the Uniroyal A/S my parents stuck on there before.

My experience with the DWS06+ wasn't the same. I went from the OEM Bridgestones to DWS and found rolling resistance to be much higher, yes I went from 245-255 and upped 1" in diameter, but I was still surprised how much difference it made. I never measured the fuel economy but I could feel the car slowing down quicker after I let off the throttle.

The OEM tires were actually great if it weren't for that nail. They were decent in the snow, handled decent, comfortable for a runflat. Overall decent all around.

[roastpuff]

Interesting, maybe the Uniroyal A/S my parents had were just so bad lol. Didn't change the size, it was 205/55R16 for both tires.

[Badhobz]

are most of these metrics just things we make up in our heads? i read a review where they studied cabin noise with different tires and the variation was between 3-5 decibels for over 20+ different all season tires.

Likewise when it comes to rolling resistance and fuel economy, that 0.5L/100km isnt going to be noticeable.

Buy the one thats on sale, buy the one that has the better warranty, buy the one that has the longer tread life

[yray]

corolla needs china tires

if surrey corollas run on china tires, it can be used anywhere

[Badhobz]

TRIANGLE TIRES 4 the win!!!!

[Traum]

corolla needs china tires

Sailun Tires FTW~

(As any Canto-speaking fella would tell you, "Sailun" sounds exactly like a Canto swear word LOL, even though I am aware of its actual Mando meaning.)

[Traum]

My experience with the DWS06+ wasn't the same. I went from the OEM Bridgestones to DWS and found rolling resistance to be much higher, yes I went from 245-255 and upped 1" in diameter, but I was still surprised how much difference it made. I never measured the fuel economy but I could feel the car slowing down quicker after I let off the throttle.

The OEM tires were actually great if it weren't for that nail. They were decent in the snow, handled decent, comfortable for a runflat. Overall decent all around.
If I am reading you right -- you went from 245 -> 255, and you upped the wheel diameter by 1". In this case, I would attribute the subjective difference (ie. what you felt from driving) to be more of a tire width increase + wheel diameter/weight increase more than the difference in tire model. Wheel weight differences are quite obvious from a subjective standpoint, and even if the measured weight of a larger diameter wheel is similar to the weight of a smaller diameter wheel, the fact that the weight is located further out with the larger diameter wheel means more torque is required to drive the wheel, and you feel that difference when you drive.

Objectively though, increased wheel weight does not affect acceleration very much -- at least when you are not in a competitive setting.

[EvoFire]

Sailun Tires FTW~

(As any Canto-speaking fella would tell you, "Sailun" sounds exactly like a Canto swear word LOL, even though I am aware of its actual Mando meaning.)

I was laughing at that brand just the other day. What does it mean in mando? Something wheel?

[The Producer]

reminder that if you have a good tire install hookup that quattro is generally the cheapest in Canada and usually runs a coupon.

https://mailchi.mp/f67c7fbddb85/promo-bf-goodrich-michelin-619286?e=b8d32d7649

10% off a bunch of tires right now

I really like Firehawks

[Traum]

I was laughing at that brand just the other day. What does it mean in mando? Something wheel?
Sai = 賽 = racing
Lun = 輪 = wheel / tire

so there is a proper meaning behind the original Mando name.

[Badhobz]

i should sai my lun. :concentrate:

[radeonboy]

reminder that if you have a good tire install hookup that quattro is generally the cheapest in Canada and usually runs a coupon.

https://mailchi.mp/f67c7fbddb85/promo-bf-goodrich-michelin-619286?e=b8d32d7649

10% off a bunch of tires right now

I really like Firehawks

$875 to replace my crappy Nexen tires with Firehawks is awfully tempting, and much easier to justify than $1500 for a set of PS5 tires. If I didn't swap out my winters yesterday I probably would've gone for this.

[underscore]

Likewise when it comes to rolling resistance and fuel economy, that 0.5L/100km isnt going to be noticeable.

It can add up fast if you're driving a lot though. Assuming 20k km/yr that's $150 in gas. When I went from BFG KOs to Goodyear Duratracs on my Jeep Cherokee the fuel economy got worse by 2L/100km. That's half of what I paid for the set of tires per year in extra gas.

[bcrdukes]

Update: Called up my local tire shop and they had a set of brand new Michelin Pilot Spot AS 4 in my size which a customer cancelled their order on. Got it for a price I couldn't refuse, lower than a set of DWS06+ and lower than Costco.

Let's see how this goes. I get them installed next Tuesday evening. Thanks to everyone who responded. (Everyone gets a thank!)

Please keep this thread going. :)

[Badhobz]

i guess over the lifespan of the tire it does add up. 150bucks a year x 3-4 years on average and you're looking at a new set of tires lost in savings alone. I didnt think of it like that.

I'm pretty sure tiny spy balloon's RX mileage got worse with the CC2's but not something we've noticed or tracked. They ride quite nice so even if its a 1L/100km lost, id still take it. PLUS THE EYE BROW MATCHY-ness is hilarious.

[underscore]

PLUS THE EYE BROW MATCHY-ness is hilarious.

There are some things you can't put a price on.

[bcrdukes]

I think in Vancouver CC2 would make sense until you are doing 20 - 25K KM per year. That's when the costs add up.

On my father-in-law's recently acquired Yaris, we put on some Nokian all weathers for him as his OEM tires were 10+ years old and we finally convinced him to let go of his junker van that was falling apart.

Had I known about the CC2s, that would have been perfect because the eyebrows are a representation of how he feels about me. :lol

[supafamous]

Update: Called up my local tire shop and they had a set of brand new Michelin Pilot Spot AS 4 in my size which a customer cancelled their order on. Got it for a price I couldn't refuse, lower than a set of DWS06+ and lower than Costco.

Let's see how this goes. I get them installed next Tuesday evening. Thanks to everyone who responded. (Everyone gets a thank!)

Please keep this thread going. :)

I would like a report on fuel economy and rolling resistance before and after.

[bcrdukes]

I would like a report on fuel economy and rolling resistance before and after.

At risk of putting on my dunce cap, but could you explain the procedure on how to do this?

I just use my car's onboard computer and it shows X.XL/100KM

[trollface]

I don't see how you can calc rolling resistance besides somehow measure the force it takes to move the car from a standstill

[roastpuff]

Probably just a subjective opinion on the rolling resistance, and I would guess that the trip computer fuel economy would suffice since that's how you're tracking your fuel usage already.

[CorneringArtist]

$875 to replace my crappy Nexen tires with Firehawks is awfully tempting, and much easier to justify than $1500 for a set of PS5 tires. If I didn't swap out my winters yesterday I probably would've gone for this.

I can vouch for Firehawks as I run them. Good enough wet traction, and great as a street tire in the dry. Just a bit on the noisy side.

If I age them out I might switch the Michelin PSAS4. The Total Confidence Plan makes them attractive as it’s effectively three years of BCAA with a 250km range if there’s no spare.

[AzNightmare]

Update: Called up my local tire shop and they had a set of brand new Michelin Pilot Spot AS 4 in my size which a customer cancelled their order on. Got it for a price I couldn't refuse, lower than a set of DWS06+ and lower than Costco.

Let's see how this goes. I get them installed next Tuesday evening. Thanks to everyone who responded. (Everyone gets a thank!)

Please keep this thread going. :)

Great choice. Way better than a boring touring tire. Now you can take your Corolla for some canyon carving!

[Badhobz]

i accidently bought AS4's for my dads RX400h a year ago. It was the only tire costco had available at the time. Damn thing is epic, drove it to seattle in a snow storm last year and it didnt skip a beat. Other people were sliding around everywhere on the i5.

[roastpuff]

So after this thread, I got off my ass and ordered some new summer tires for the fat wagon since I'm down to like 5/32nds on the fronts (6/32nds on the rear) thanks to Audi sticking 240 treadwear SportContact 6s on an Allroad lol.

Snagged some ECS 02s for a great price through my Audi club discount, will get those mounted later in the summer after I use up the SC6s at auto-x etc.

[EvoFire]

So after this thread, I got off my ass and ordered some new summer tires for the fat wagon since I'm down to like 5/32nds on the fronts (6/32nds on the rear) thanks to Audi sticking 240 treadwear SportContact 6s on an Allroad lol.

Snagged some ECS 02s for a great price through my Audi club discount, will get those mounted later in the summer after I use up the SC6s at auto-x etc.

AWD burnouts? please?

[roastpuff]

AWD burnouts? please?

I don't think I have enough power for that at only 261hp FeelsBadMan

[bcrdukes]

Update/Bump: We put on the Michelin Pilot Sport AS 4 last week and have put on about 1000km. So far, so good. Much queiter than the AS 3 (likely due to wear/tear/age/usage/mileage etc.)

Mix use of city/highway and the car is showing 7.1L/100KM. Good grip on dry and wet. So far so good!

[Badhobz]

Psshhh no angry eyebrows = no good

[Matsuda]

Update/Bump: We put on the Michelin Pilot Sport AS 4 last week and have put on about 1000km. So far, so good. Much queiter than the AS 3 (likely due to wear/tear/age/usage/mileage etc.)

Mix use of city/highway and the car is showing 7.1L/100KM. Good grip on dry and wet. So far so good!

I'm thinking of getting them for the golf R, I got some camber wear because stancepants. I'm running Conti ECS and I honestly don't need a summer tire like that since I mostly just commute.

[bcrdukes]

I think a Golf R can sure take advantage of a good tires like the Conti ECS, but as you said, since this is just a daily commute, the Michelin Pilot Sport AS 4 (or equivalent) will suffice.

They have a promo / rebate until the end of the month, so act fast! :)

[Gerbs]

Just got the Indy Firehawks for the S2K, I was running DWS for close to 6 years and they slid controllably on ice when you went a bit too fast.

I can take left turns flat out at like 50 - 60 KM/hr and it doesn't feel anywhere close to slipping out.

[bcrdukes]

Under what conditions?

[snowball]

Just got the Indy Firehawks for the S2K, I was running DWS for close to 6 years and they slid controllably on ice when you went a bit too fast.

I can take left turns flat out at like 50 - 60 KM/hr and it doesn't feel anywhere close to slipping out.

been on them for 5 summer now, great tire for the price

[bcrdukes]

Totally unrelated but also related

I swapped over the wheels on my Boxster from a set of Federal Evoluzione ST-1 to a fresh set of Hankook RS4 endurance tires. I meant to get the Hankook RS4 for track days and be able to drive on the street, but will be shipping the car back to Vancouver from Toronto, leaving it at my in-law's place for when we are in town.

Initial impressions - A+. The tires pair nicely with the Koni Special Active shocks (formerly known as FSDs) Absorbs bumps and imprefections on the road while offering a nice, smooth ride.

Laying down the throttle, the tires react nicely and traction is not an issue (duh, they are new!) Turn in is sharp and the feedback is excellent. Because I've only put on less than 50KM on them, I'm going to take it easy until they break in over the next few weeks before it gets loaded onto a truck off. I had to retorque one of the lug nuts on the front driver side.

Overall, not a bad tire depending on what your application is. Wish I got some Michelins like every jerk bag Porsche owner, but life is short and who really cares. Time will tell whether these hold up. Given the lack of mileage, I'm sure they will be okay, until they give up due to age.

[Badhobz]

Hankooks!? on a porsche!?!?! may i speak to your manager please??? this is unacceptable

[bcrdukes]

Hankooks!? on a porsche!?!?! may i speak to your manager please??? this is unacceptable

Thank goodness this isn't a 997 forum. :ahwow:

[AzNightmare]

ugh, just discovered a tire bulge.
Tread life is about 7/32"

What are my options? Can I just buy 1 new tire, or is the tread depth of a new tire going to be too much of a difference with the 7/32" on the other 3 tires?

[bcrdukes]

ouch, which tire is this and which car?

Can't speak for what to do but hopefully a warranty covers it????

[Traum]

In theory, if you can find a tire shop that is willing to shave a brand new tire, you can shave the new tire down to 7/32 and put it on.

If you have the storage space, I'd say it's better to buy 2 tires, and keep the 7/32 good tire around. Generally speaking, by the time a tire wears down to ~5/32 thread depth, the tire's ability to expel water would start to degrade.

[AzNightmare]

ouch, which tire is this and which car?

Can't speak for what to do but hopefully a warranty covers it????

Rear passenger side. Mazda3. Just the stock Ecopia EP422 Plus that came with the car... meh
TBH I don't really care for them and can't wait for them to "finish" so I can buy some good tires of my choice, lol.

But now it sucks that I have to buy a tire I don't want...

I've had this car since 2018, so not sure if warranty is still valid. But there is some scuff damages on the sidewall at the same spot.. Looks like maybe the tire hit a curb at some point.
https://i.imgur.com/Lz7zwdW.jpg

[Badhobz]

How does that even happen ?

[SSM_DC5]

You might want to look into whether or not you have tire warranty left. I emailed the tire manufacturer my problem, they directed me to an authorized dealer, then the authorized dealer dealt with the manufacturer and I got a discount on new tires based on my tread depth. My tires were maybe 5 years old but started seeing cracking. I didn't have to prove anything like tire rotations, just had to show the tire shop my car invoice to see when my warranty started.

[mb_]

How does that even happen ?

Usually hitting potholes, curbs, etc

[bcrdukes]

He needed a reason to get some new Michelin Pilot Sports :troll:

[Traum]

Rear passenger side. Mazda3. Just the stock Ecopia EP422 Plus that came with the car... meh
TBH I don't really care for them and can't wait for them to "finish" so I can buy some good tires of my choice, lol.

But now it sucks that I have to buy a tire I don't want...

Since it is on a Mazda3, I wouldn't even worry about buying 2 tires. There is no LSD on the car. It doesn't have an AWD drivetrain. It isn't ideal, but it is totally gonna be fine to just replace a single tire and keep going with it.

The only thing I'd do is -- I'd keep that new tire in the front throughout your tire rotation cycles. That way, it wears down faster.

[roastpuff]

Maybe pick up a used single tire off FB or Craigslist? Might be closer in tread to the other tires than a new one.

[mb_]

What size are your tires? I have a pair of used 17's I can sell :troll:

[68style]

That bulge is kinda hot

[AzNightmare]

How does that even happen ?

I just swapped out the winter set in April so I know this happened recently.
My wife told me she hit the curb making a right turn some time last week...

:suspicious:


Since it is on a Mazda3, I wouldn't even worry about buying 2 tires. There is no LSD on the car. It doesn't have an AWD drivetrain. It isn't ideal, but it is totally gonna be fine to just replace a single tire and keep going with it.

The only thing I'd do is -- I'd keep that new tire in the front throughout your tire rotation cycles. That way, it wears down faster.

While I agree with you too... articles have all said to put the better tires in the back for better stability. Although I never understood this... because on a FWD, then the tire with more tread will always be in the back...

What size are your tires? I have a pair of used 17's I can sell :troll:

lol 16's. GS trim.

[roastpuff]

While I agree with you too... articles have all said to put the better tires in the back for better stability. Although I never understood this... because on a FWD, then the tire with more tread will always be in the back...



lol 16's. GS trim.

If you have tires with less tread in the back, the rear will lose stability easier, especially in inclement weather. For more experienced drivers, we can catch the slide and correct it, but for those who are unused to driving at the limit, it can create unwanted behaviour and make them lose control of the car.

Basically, if you lose traction in front, it becomes understeer, which is somewhat easier to deal with than oversteer when you lose traction in the back.

Single Ecopia 16" tire in stock Mazda size, 7/32nds (5mm) tread $70 (https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/wtd/d/new-westminster-r16-87h-bridgestone/7609707454.html)

Single Ecopia tire in Mazda 3 16" size, unknown tread, $20 (https://vancouver.craigslist.org/rds/wtd/d/langley-tire-different-sizes/7611635089.html)

[trollface]

Bro if you want one single shitty tire just go to any tire shop. They will pay YOU to get rid of their mountain of trash in the back.

I've gotten hella burners for free. Why buy the cow when the milk is free?

[donk.]

Trollface is correct

Used tire shops are the way to go in this scenario, 40$ for a tire installed

[AzNightmare]

If you have tires with less tread in the back, the rear will lose stability easier, especially in inclement weather. For more experienced drivers, we can catch the slide and correct it, but for those who are unused to driving at the limit, it can create unwanted behaviour and make them lose control of the car.

Basically, if you lose traction in front, it becomes understeer, which is somewhat easier to deal with than oversteer when you lose traction in the back.

Single Ecopia 16" tire in stock Mazda size, 7/32nds (5mm) tread $70 (https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/wtd/d/new-westminster-r16-87h-bridgestone/7609707454.html)

Single Ecopia tire in Mazda 3 16" size, unknown tread, $20 (https://vancouver.craigslist.org/rds/wtd/d/langley-tire-different-sizes/7611635089.html)

I understand the principle, but logically, isn't that's just saying, never rotate your tires? If you have a FWD, under normal usage, the rear tires will ALWAYS have more tread, being the "better" tires, for the entire life of the vehicle. So would you ever swap the front tires with lower tread depth than the rears?

As for a daily street car, I would think you'll have to be pushing it pretty hard for understeer and oversteer to even matter, unless you just have really bad tires to begin with, or completely wrong tires for the respective weather conditions.

[roastpuff]

Well the whole point of the tire rotation thing is to get them to wear evenly - which is why they recommend people to do it every 10,000km or whatever it is in the guide book. I think that if your tires are wearing unevenly every 10,000km such as that you have a large discrepancy between the front and the back, there is something else wrong. Let's say 6.5/32nds and 7/32nds, that's not a large discrepancy that would affect the handling a lot, but a new set of 10/32nds and an old 5/32nds set of tires will behave differently.

A lot of people don't rotate their tires, like my FIL - I always tell him to rotate, and I offer to do it for him, but he won't do it/let me do it.

This is talking about the average all-season tire, not sticky performance rubber which wears faster etc.

As for a daily street car, have you seen some of the drivers around recently? With the way they weave between cars on the highway at 120+ kph in the wet, grip starts to matter with these crazy drivers pushing the limits on their Civic/Corolla/Elantras or whatever. I've also seen people spin out on an on-ramp in the wet at 50kph because they have crap tires or just don't know how to handle a car.

[radeonboy]

I just noticed this crack on my tire sidewall (PremiumContact 6) :okay:

Both this set of tires and my winters are 4 years old at this point, and they share one set of rims.

I'm in a dilemma on what to do. Do I:

continue running this until the seasonal tire swap, then get one new tire come spring and have it shaved down (any recommendations?)
continue running this until the seasonal tire swap, then get a new set of 3-season tires in Spring (hoping PremiumContact 7 are available in my size by then)
get a replacement tire now, shaved, then swapped in a month or two when temperatures get cooler
get crossclimate 2s. sell my winters, and call it a day


I'm also looking for a second set of wheels, but the specs that fit on the car are laughably limited without at least using spacers.

https://i.ibb.co/8YrnNxd/Tire-Crack.jpg

[headhunt3r]

How does something like that happen? Any chance you can claim warranty on it? Shaving a new tire down to 4 years of wear seems like a bad choice. Out of your options I'd opt for 2. Option 4 maybe if you're also hurting for space to get rid of owning 2 sets of tires.

[whitev70r]

4 yrs and it cracked like that ... hmmm, warranty material indeed. They would pro-rate cost of new one if you bought your original set new. But that stills leave the predicament how you match the new one's tread with the other 3.

Another option .. try to find one PremiumContact6 with similar tread wear ... LONG shot.

But option 4 sounds like it's the best if you only have one set of wheels, get a set of CC2 and be done with it. A lot simpler than even 2 set of wheels with summer and winters ... unless you mount and dismount yourself. It costs me like $50 per change even with 2 sets of wheels at local tire store, some charge >$60.

[radeonboy]

How does something like that happen? Any chance you can claim warranty on it? Shaving a new tire down to 4 years of wear seems like a bad choice. Out of your options I'd opt for 2. Option 4 maybe if you're also hurting for space to get rid of owning 2 sets of tires.

4 yrs and it cracked like that ... hmmm, warranty material indeed. They would pro-rate cost of new one if you bought your original set new. But that stills leave the predicament how you match the new one's tread with the other 3.

I'm not sure how it became like this - it's almost like someone took something sharp and cut a slit given how clean it is. I agree that shaving down the tire to match 4 years of wear is silly, but it's the cheapest option right now. Tires came with the vehicle so I'm not sure if a tire warranty applies in this case.

Another option .. try to find one PremiumContact6 with similar tread wear ... LONG shot.

But option 4 sounds like it's the best if you only have one set of wheels, get a set of CC2 and be done with it. A lot simpler than even 2 set of wheels with summer and winters ... unless you mount and dismount yourself. It costs me like $50 per change even with 2 sets of wheels at local tire store, some charge >$60.

I couldn't find a matching tire on FB marketplace and CL so I'm out of luck finding a used tire right now. Long-term I do want a second set of wheels - I've been researching different setups since I only know of 2 non-OEM wheels that can clear the brakes without spacers. I'm not huge on their designs - OZ Rally or OZ Gran Turismo GLT - while OEM wheels are $1,500 per corner and impossible to find used.

This tire damage is forcing my hand to make a decision sooner, but right now I'm probably leaning towards 2 or 4 as well. 2 will give me better performance year-round at the cost of tire swaps, while 4 trades performance (and efficiency?) for convenience.

[Traum]

How is your tire not flat with a crack / slit like that? Personally, I'd say it doesn't look safe to drive on.

If you wanna be cheap, you can just replace 2 tires for now, and swap to your winters in Oct or something. And then when the 2 old tires are worn down enough to warrant replacements, you replace those 2 as well.

That's what the cheap bastard me would do on my DD. If it was my wife's car, then I'd have to bite the bullet and replace all 4.

[roastpuff]

What car? And I'd give warranty a shot, who knows, they might cover it

[SSM_DC5]

... Tires came with the vehicle so I'm not sure if a tire warranty applies in this case.


.. .

Car is new and the tires are from the manufacturer?
Or car is bought used and tires were bought by previous owner
Or car is bought used and tires are still the ones from manufacturer?

[radeonboy]

Car is new and the tires are from the manufacturer?
Or car is bought used and tires were bought by previous owner
Or car is bought used and tires are still the ones from manufacturer?

Used, second owner. Tires still the ones from the manufacturer since new.

What car? And I'd give warranty a shot, who knows, they might cover it

I'm not hopeful but I'll ask since that costs me nothing.

https://i.ibb.co/K52G6yt/Wheel.jpg

How is your tire not flat with a crack / slit like that? Personally, I'd say it doesn't look safe to drive on.

If you wanna be cheap, you can just replace 2 tires for now, and swap to your winters in Oct or something. And then when the 2 old tires are worn down enough to warrant replacements, you replace those 2 as well.

That's what the cheap bastard me would do on my DD. If it was my wife's car, then I'd have to bite the bullet and replace all 4.

It's my own car with no family I can entertain slightly riskier options. I'm aware that damaged sidewalls are not great which is why I wanted to see if there are other options to consider.

After thinking through this some more, I'm leaning towards doing a seasonal tire swap now and drive my other car until temperatures are more suitable for winter tires.

[SSM_DC5]

Try talking to the Volvo about tire warranty, they may direct you to a tire dealer that sells that brand instead. Then the tire dealer will handle the warranty.

I was original owner if my case, the date I bought the car was important to the tire shop to know when the warranty started. But in the end I got 4 new tires at a prorated price.

[EvoFire]

I would hesitate to keep driving on those tires. Around town is fine but a blow out at highway speeds can be quite dangerous.

If you mount and dismount tires every season, that cut may have been caused by the mount and dismounting. I lost a PS4S on dismount because the sidewall ripped, and it's a common issue on that tire in certain sizes.

And I can see why it's hard to find wheels. Volvo bolt pattern is almost distinct as not many cars use 5x108 in North America.

[underscore]

How deep is it? It kinda looks like there was a bubble in the rim protector area.

[radeonboy]

Try talking to the Volvo about tire warranty, they may direct you to a tire dealer that sells that brand instead. Then the tire dealer will handle the warranty.

I was original owner if my case, the date I bought the car was important to the tire shop to know when the warranty started. But in the end I got 4 new tires at a prorated price.

I read through Continental's OEM tire warranty and it's only applicable to the first owner. But I'll see what Volvo says.

How deep is it? It kinda looks like there was a bubble in the rim protector area.

I would hesitate to keep driving on those tires. Around town is fine but a blow out at highway speeds can be quite dangerous.

It doesn't look deep (don't want to stretch them even more to find out), but enough for there to be a small leak coming out from it. I brought it to KalTire and the person who helped me felt a very minor bubble forming, but thinks I can stretch it to tire swap season in a few weeks. I've decided to get it done tomorrow for peace of mind.

And I can see why it's hard to find wheels. Volvo bolt pattern is almost distinct as not many cars use 5x108 in North America.
It's a PITA but I knew what I was getting into. I found some wheel options that are designed for big brakes, but I don't have the equipment to test-fit them at home or know a place that can help me out.

[yray]

the way the lettering looks scratched at the bottom looks you hit a pothole?

was this an ex press car?

[bcrdukes]

Glad this thread is still being utilized :fuckyea:

[radeonboy]

the way the lettering looks scratched at the bottom looks you hit a pothole?

was this an ex press car?

It's possible the previous owner scraped the tire against a curb - the wheels had curb rashes that got fixed before I took delivery. I don't think this was a press car based on its CarFax and the short time gap between the manufacturer date and the in-service date.

I ended up doing my seasonal tire swap super early and will wait until spring to shop for replacement tires.

[yray]

maybe dismount damage?

bunch of volvo polestars press cars were sold to dealers, they would only show 1 owner as the dealer is the owner :lol

not sure if the conti tires got the foam treatment but the pirellis did in the early years, pretty much stuck to the dealer if you want to get lolvo branded tires

good luck with the rims, another choice is ferrari rims :lawl:

[radeonboy]

maybe dismount damage?

bunch of volvo polestars press cars were sold to dealers, they would only show 1 owner as the dealer is the owner :lol

Yeah that thought crossed my mind, but it's too late to worry about that now. Gonna lean on my extended warranty if something mechanical happens.

Replacement tire options are pretty reasonable - currently leaning towards PS4 A/S or ExtremeContact DWS06 Plus if I can't anything out of oem tire warranty. Will also take suggestions here for something that balances performance, durability, and reasonable roll resistance.

Wheels on the other hand....:heckno:

[EvoFire]

Can't beat either of those tires, unless you go CC2 for a year round tire.

[RabidRat]

Looking for new tires for my dad's RAV4 in P225/65R17.

Option 1:
What're regarded as the best rain tires these days?

They don't drive much anymore but they're getting old and their reaction times are not what they used to be. So I want them to have the best possible stopping distances to compensate, and in Vancouver I guess the biggest concern is in the wet when visibility is esp worse.

And because they're not driving much, not concerned about treadwear rating. Even 200 is fine lol. Their last set of tires is at like 70% tread after 7 years; the rubber goes bad faster than they can wear it down.

I've also been visiting and swapping them to winter tires / back every year, so no need to handle cold temperatures either.

Option 2:
If I instead put them on winter tires year-round, what would be good with ice / snow but also good in rain for the rest of the year? Probably looking for some kind of performance winter tire?

[bcrdukes]

For option 1, I'd liken something like a Michelin Pilot Sport A/S4 will suffice. I'm still happy with mine and they were fine in the recent torrential Toronto downpours.

For option 2, and while nowhere near the same car, we put on Nokian WRG4 on my father-in-law's Yaris. I'm sure there will be a crew here that will vouch for Michelin Crossclimate 2 for year-round driving. Doing this gives me some flexibility of not having to make a trip back to swap over to dedicated winter tires for him due to work circumstances or him complaining about how expensive it is to swap tires and no appointments available.

[supafamous]

Looking for new tires for my dad's RAV4 in P225/65R17.

Option 1:
What're regarded as the best rain tires these days?

They don't drive much anymore but they're getting old and their reaction times are not what they used to be. So I want them to have the best possible stopping distances to compensate, and in Vancouver I guess the biggest concern is in the wet when visibility is esp worse.

And because they're not driving much, not concerned about treadwear rating. Even 200 is fine lol. Their last set of tires is at like 70% tread after 7 years; the rubber goes bad faster than they can wear it down.

I've also been visiting and swapping them to winter tires / back every year, so no need to handle cold temperatures either.

Option 2:
If I instead put them on winter tires year-round, what would be good with ice / snow but also good in rain for the rest of the year? Probably looking for some kind of performance winter tire?

I think you can solve both at once:

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=GTAS

3 out of 4 of the top Grand Touring All-Season tires at Tire Rack are All Weather tires - CrossClimate2, WeatherActive, WeatherPeak. All 3 have great ratings for wet weather performance as well - the best in its class.

If you dad isn't clipping apexes and taking exit curbs all day long then all 3 of these tires would cover all your use cases.

[mb_]

If they have winter tires, I would go with something along the lines of Michelin Latitude Tour HP, Primacy MXM4, Continental ProContact/CrossContact/ContiCrossContact. I would assume noise would be a huge factor for them.

[RabidRat]

Actually funnily enough, noise would be a huge non-factor for them. My dad's hearing is terrible now even when he's willing to wear his hearing aids, and my mom is generally oblivious. :D

Thanks all for the great ideas.

Loving the idea of my dad hitting apexes. Fond memories of teaching my dad how to drive stick in my first car, a rusty Mk1 MR2 (a great idea), just weeks after I'd gotten the thing and taught myself to drive stick reading Revscene forum posts.

And bcrdukes had to sit me down at a Starbucks to explain wtf it was that I just bought. "Nono you bought the wrong one. The '86 is like the worst one, there's no supercharger on yours."

[bcrdukes]

lol good times
You've come a long way since! :D

[68style]

Fugg dukes and his supercharger oh look at me with my top mount Intercooler I’m so cool… guy walked around like his t-tops didn’t even leak or something

[bcrdukes]

Don't forget that you helped me rub sticky white stuff all over them. :D

[RabidRat]

Ok. It turns out they don't make the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 4 in the RAV4 fitment for whatever dumb reason. Then I saw radeonboy's post about the comparable ExtremeContact DWS06 Plus and I saw it has even better wet braking, great! Except they don't do RAV4 fitment for that either.

You know what they do make in RAV4 fitment? Michelin Pilot Sport 4, which btw is 220AA in this application, and thus delightful overkill. I was all set to go forth until it turned out there's seemingly only 1 single tire of this size left in all of BC.

So I ordered a set of supafamous' Michelin CrossClimate 2 from Costco. I was surprised to find for a compromise tire they are actually so good at wet braking, and not even that bad in the snow either!

edit: a really close second was BFG KO2 A/Ts. Responsible? No. Badass? Very. Slippery slope though; I'd probably wind up putting in a lift kit and then a roof rack, next thing you know it's got a winch.

[radeonboy]

^I think many will agree here that the CC2s are a good choice - it's what I would choose for my parents if they needed new tires. Saves them the trouble (of asking me to help) with swapping and storing tires 2x per year.

There's a tiny part of me that wants to get the Pilot Sport 5 tires for my EV Soul, but it's truly a waste of a good tire (and money) on an EV econobox.

[jcmaz]

Ok. It turns out they don't make the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 4 in the RAV4 fitment for whatever dumb reason. Then I saw radeonboy's post about the comparable ExtremeContact DWS06 Plus and I saw it has even better wet braking, great! Except they don't do RAV4 fitment for that either.

You know what they do make in RAV4 fitment? Michelin Pilot Sport 4, which btw is 220AA in this application, and thus delightful overkill. I was all set to go forth until it turned out there's seemingly only 1 single tire of this size left in all of BC.

So I ordered a set of supafamous' Michelin CrossClimate 2 from Costco. I was surprised to find for a compromise tire they are actually so good at wet braking, and not even that bad in the snow either!

edit: a really close second was BFG KO2 A/Ts. Responsible? No. Badass? Very. Slippery slope though; I'd probably wind up putting in a lift kit and then a roof rack, next thing you know it's got a winch.

Don't run a KO2 on an already underpowered crossover such as the RAV4. You'll regret it. Plus wet traction on those AT tires are questionable. That's what all these cuvs will see in Vancouver anyway