[dark0821]

https://i.imgur.com/kYOYBDL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/5n61fkC.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/p8KveZV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GV6ApeA.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6mB4dcF.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/n8pmnYd.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UtN8i7F.jpg

EV... so electric Vtec-E?

[EvoFire]

Honda Prelude?

You mean Prius Prime Coupe? :pokerface:

[bcrdukes]

The back looks like a Taycan

[tegra7]

No.

[Alpine]

Honda accord coupe.

[Badhobz]

I don’t know if I like it or I wanna throw up in my mouth. Quite polarizing.

[RabidRat]

https://i.imgur.com/kYOYBDL.jpg


The rear fenders looked a little 911 to me... so why not Turbo it! :D

https://i.imgur.com/sF4UqIx.png

[asian_XL]

https://i.imgur.com/rSxMihB.jpeg

[underscore]

The back looks like a Taycan

It looks like a Taycan with a CRZ front stuck on it.

[JDMDreams]

Looks more accord than prelude. Doesn't have that long hood short trunk profit. In before $65000 for a prelude. I'm waiting for my $40k Integra s

[EvoFire]

Honda accord coupe.

This actually makes a lot of the sense. The size and profile seems about right, and explains why they axed the Accord coupe for this generation, because the Prelude revival was in the pipeline.

[Hakkaboy]

if they got rid of that front light strip or whatever that is, it might look OK, as an Accord Coupe EV

[teggy604]

wished they just leave the name out. There are infinite names they can call it. Leave the Prelude name in the past alone.

[inv4zn]

Missed opportunity, should have called it the Interlude.

[Traum]

I don't mind the Prius front end at all, as it actually looks pretty nice. But then the styling team dropped the ball once they get to the end of the front door.

As everyone else has already said, it looks more like an Accord coupe, and is probably more appropriate as an Accord EV coupe. It is just too big to me. If it was the size of a GR86, that would have been perfect.

[pherio]

https://i.imgur.com/p8KveZV.jpg




Profile pic shows how it will really look, with the longer rear end (cab forward). All the other pics from the front are shot to make the hood look longer than it actually is.

[Qmx323]

No flip up headlights no fucks given, I loved winking at other cars with flip up headlights

[JDMDreams]

Integra is supposed to be two door, but they don't make the ugly ass civic coupe anymore and no one buys fwd coupes. Prelude has always been the fat gt in the family.

Yea this is all accord profile and no prelude.

[GLOW]

i get 2 door acura tlx vibes from it

[prudz]

IN!

Pretty true to the 4th gen style prelude. Curvy rear quarter panels, flat headlights, long lower horizontal grill. The real question is will there be EL gauges lmao.

I've owned 5, 4th gens over the years. If they make it awd electric... it will be pretty hard for me not to want one.

[danned]

fail

[punkwax]

If they make it awd electric... it will be pretty hard for me not to buy one.

^ this is what I’d say.

I’m still upset that the E isn’t coming to NA. When I enter the electric vehicle market, I think I want myself a good old reliable Honda. The brand has treated me well over the years.

[red kryptonite]

if it doesnt look good in concept form i doubt it would look good in production form

[RabidRat]

Turns out it was a hybrid after all. No wonder it looks like a Prius coupe :p

https://www.theautopian.com/the-new-honda-prelude-is-actually-a-hybrid-and-that-rules/

[RabidRat]

Oooh... this Prius Coupe might come in manual!

https://www.theautopian.com/the-incoming-hybrid-honda-prelude-reportedly-might-come-with-a-manual-transmission-but-dont-expect-that-to-work-like-the-hybrids-were-used-to/

[bcrdukes]

No way...

[Traum]

Oooh... this Prius Coupe might come in manual!

https://www.theautopian.com/the-incoming-hybrid-honda-prelude-reportedly-might-come-with-a-manual-transmission-but-dont-expect-that-to-work-like-the-hybrids-were-used-to/
IMO Motortrend's line of reasoning seems to make more sense -- ie. how it is unlikely the hybrid Prelude will have a manual tranny:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/honda-prelude-hybrid-manual-transmission-rumor/

TL;DL -- the Prelude is expected to get the Civic hybrid's drivetrain, and that drivetrain only features a single speed "tranny" for the ICE.

[Traum]

No new info on the car, other than that a test mule is caught out in the wild looking nearly identical to the concept car. I suppose this is good news since the concept (or this test mule) doesn't look ugly.

If you peel off all the sheetmetal, I wonder if it is really just a 2-door hybrid Civic coupe in disguise...? And if that is the case, could Acura release this as a proper 2-door Integra?

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/hondaprelude-de03-kgp-671115b06f4fc.jpg

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/hondaprelude-de07-kgp-6711177a74345.jpg

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/hondaprelude-de09-kgp-6711180c9268b.jpg

[Badhobz]

its giving me porsche vibes. not ugly, but not original or pretty either.

[JDMDreams]

:heckno: that back end looks like ass. Some Lexus parrot fish front end with a long sloping dog pooping back. Looks like the last Gen eclipse Altima where they just stretched the back over the chassis.

[EvoFire]

Preludes always had that long sloping rear glass. But the tail light treatment doesn't look great. I imagine they are gonna stick the Accord 2.0T in so it gets some oomph. I don't remember they said it'll be hybrid only or not, cause the drivetrain in the Civic/Accord hybrid is the same and they have zero sporting pretensions.

[Badhobz]

To all you people saying the ass is ugly, does that backend look like a taycan or a 911? :troll:


https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/hondaprelude-de09-kgp-6711180c9268b.jpg
https://pictures.dealer.com/t/thecollectioncoralgables/1348/2048d8328f562944f8a2c78f377da2edx.jpg?impolicy=dow nsize_bkpt&imdensity=1&w=520
https://archive.izmostock.com/img-get/I00001fesHMDlXJw/s/1000/2020-porsche-911-carrera-s-coupe-angular-rear.jpg

[JDMDreams]

Prelude always had the long hood and short trunk

https://www.sedgeclasscars.co.za/carimages/H11_13.JPG

https://media.carsandbids.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1200,quality=80/224865fcf1349ec53e0faac653358675b6461a0e/photos/KYEJ4e00-PaTKzdrgLQ-(edit).jpg?t=170811069339

[snowball]

Prelude always had the long hood and short trunk

https://www.sedgeclasscars.co.za/carimages/H11_13.JPG

https://media.carsandbids.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1200,quality=80/224865fcf1349ec53e0faac653358675b6461a0e/photos/KYEJ4e00-PaTKzdrgLQ-(edit).jpg?t=170811069339

The A-pillar is too close to the hood on the new one. You can see the doors were further back in the older versions giving it better weight distribution and s sportier coupe look.

[Traum]

Traditionally, the "concept cars" that Honda releases to show the public already looks 99% like the way the final production car will look. So when EvoFire says the tail lights don't look that great, make sure you are not making that judgement based on the camouflaged test mule. Instead, the final product is almost certainly going to look like the white concept car we saw here:

https://i.imgur.com/6mB4dcF.jpg

[EvoFire]

Traditionally, the "concept cars" that Honda releases to show the public already looks 99% like the way the final production car will look. So when EvoFire says the tail lights don't look that great, make sure you are not making that judgement based on the camouflaged test mule. Instead, the final product is almost certainly going to look like the white concept car we saw here:

https://i.imgur.com/6mB4dcF.jpg

It's basically the same thin protruding heckblende that became the current form and everyone is using it. It looks good on the 911 and their SUVs, but it doesn't look good on the Taycan.

This feels like a ripoff.

[Badhobz]

It's basically the same thin protruding heckblende that became the current form and everyone is using it. It looks good on the 911 and their SUVs, but it doesn't look good on the Taycan.

This feels like a ripoff.

https://p.turbosquid.com/ts-thumb/qm/YL1xW6/zWNvZ42v/ttt/jpg/1552857286/600x600/fit_q87/99ba9251dd5d89e42a43b9275c685749b212ad56/ttt.jpg

it looks like a stupid gorilla's head.

https://archive.izmostock.com/img-get/I00001fesHMDlXJw/s/1000/2020-porsche-911-carrera-s-coupe-angular-rear.jpg

[Traum]

It's basically the same thin protruding heckblende that became the current form and everyone is using it. It looks good on the 911 and their SUVs, but it doesn't look good on the Taycan.

This feels like a ripoff.
It is definitely a design cue ripoff from Porsche. Personally, I dunno how I feel about it yet because the camo-ed backend obscured the overall look, and the concept car picture was taken with an UW angle lens taken from an akward vantage point so that the whole thing looks distorted.

I supposed the best news about seeing the test mule in the wild is -- it looks like Honda is really going ahead with this one. Hopefully we will see it in the showroom within a reasonable time frame.

[JDMDreams]

In before $50000+ Honda prelude :accepted:

[Traum]

The Sport Hybrid Civic starts at Cdn $35k, and the Sports Touring Hybrid Civic at just below $39k. So I think it is pretty safe to expect this hybrid Prelude to start at $40k+ somewhere?

[EvoFire]

There's no tail pipes on the mule, and it's probably gonna be another hybrid thing and I feel a flop from Honda just like the CRZ where they tried to draw on the equity of an old nameplate and failing.

I can also see this as just a more elaborate Accord coupe, since that was removed from the lineup last gen, and this just fills back into that space. Probably with the same hybrid drivetrain. I don't have faith in Honda to pull something out of the bag. Their hybrid drivetrain also doesn't seem all that flexible unless they have already developed it with a bigger motor in mind that would go in, say a next gen Odessey.

I'm a bit of a pessimist you see :failed:

[JDMDreams]

Sadly this is a name plate I don't get why they are bringing back. Who's gonna buy this? It's gonna be too expensive and not fast enough to compete. Hybrid means auto cvt barge. So there's no way this thing will be sporty enough. :okay: just go back to the shed and build more type rs

[supafamous]

I don't have faith in Honda to pull something out of the bag. Their hybrid drivetrain also doesn't seem all that flexible unless they have already developed it with a bigger motor in mind that would go in, say a next gen Odessey.

I'm a bit of a pessimist you see :failed:

I don't get this Prelude - usually when Honda comes out with a low volume mainstream car it comes with something novel that they are testing out. Like ATTS or 4WS or how they rolled out the Insight (or the Clarity). This one seems to just take existing off the shelf items to make a coupe that has no market.

Maybe like you say there's a bigger hybrid motor in there that could go into their large car platform OR maybe they've come up with a rear motor to give it e-AWD like Toyota does (Acura would really stand to have this to replace SH-AWD) but none of the rumours suggest this is happening.

Even if it handles like a Si or CTR why would anyone buy this over a Civic hybrid hatch?

[Traum]

Back in the 10th gen Civic days -- that's 2016 - 2021 -- the coupe sold sufficently well at first -- 16% of total sales, according to Wikipedia. But as time passes, its sales numbers dropped big time to a mere 6%, and then it was discontinued for 2021.

This Prelude appears to noticeably shorter than the current Civic hatchback, with far less room & headroom for the rear passengers as well. But as a few of us have already noted, market demand for this sort of vehicle has really waned compared to its heyday in the 90's or even early 2000's.

I hope the car will be sporty and fun to drive. But at $40k+, how can it hope to compete against something like a GR86 / BRZ?

[JDMDreams]

When was the last time you heard someone saying they wanted a big fwd coupe, never. :lawl:

[EvoFire]

The problem is most ppl are putting practicality quite high up in decision making, and for a car like this that doesn't bring any performance cred to the table, it's a hard sell.

The M3 is in much higher demand than the M4. They are discounting the G82 whereas G80 is MSRP only. F80 also sells much quicker than the F82, a F80 will demand a premium over a similar F82 on the used market.

Porsche just put backseats in the GT3 Touring.

Audi just stopped production of the A5/S5 Coupe for MY25, though we don't know if they will bring a new one in 26

BMW is axing the X4 model it seems on the release of the new G45 X3, there doesn't seem to be a G46 on the horizon.

[Alpine]

The return of the civic coupe in hybrid form and under a different nameplate & body. Might as well buy an auto GR86 or BRZ instead.

[JDMDreams]

For the price you maybe able to get a auto gr Corolla :lawl:

[TypeRNammer]

Honda brings back Prelude as a performance hybrid coupe - Reviews | Driving https://share.google/42A7k1bk1CZsbACMw

[AstulzerRZD]

The return of the civic coupe in hybrid form and under a different nameplate & body. Might as well buy an auto GR86 or BRZ instead.

You'd be surprised how many people around my age (late 20s/early 30s) won't look at anything that isn't a hybrid.

Richmond friends bought a fucking GM Equinox EV over a Q3 and CX-5.

Seattle tech bro friends won't consider anything that isn't hybrid either. First question when CX-5 is mentioned is "is it hybrid"

[EvoFire]

I wouldn't look at anything that's not at least a hybrid nowadays that's not my fun car. It makes zero sense for a commuter to not at least have partial electrification, for reasons of practicality, costs over long term, and when used correctly and correctly sized, environmental.

No a Hummer is not a good use case as you'll never recover the environmental costs of such a vehicle, but for sure the application of hybrid or PHEV in a X3, Sienna, Civic, etc makes a ton of sense.

[trollface]

No flip up headlights no fucks given, I loved winking at other cars with flip up headlights

They can't do that anymore cuz it kills ppl.

[Badhobz]

and thats why retards are running amok everywhere. Without the unsafe cars and smoking to thin out the population, you get these gen z retards.

[trollface]

I think it's actually a good thing TBH.

Ppl were actually dying left and right doing 50kmph with cars that take 20 secs to get up to 100. These days every car can do 100 in under 6.

I like cars, but I don't mind not being killed by a caddy with a 200lb chrome bumper. That and pop-ups would not help hit EPA mpg criteria. Oil based paints were nice, but damn that shit was bad for the enviorment.

[Badhobz]

in a whiny voice: bad for the environment! bad for the environment!

fuck you

*proceeds to pour used motor oil down the drain

[whitev70r]

You'd be surprised how many people around my age (late 20s/early 30s) won't look at anything that isn't a hybrid.

Richmond friends bought a fucking GM Equinox EV over a Q3 and CX-5.

Seattle tech bro friends won't consider anything that isn't hybrid either. First question when CX-5 is mentioned is "is it hybrid"

Makes me feel 'hip', and younger ..

I'm with EvoFire, for daily ... cannot go back to ICE.

[AstulzerRZD]

What was buyer of Preludes in late 90s/2000s like?

Looks like it was priced pretty high back then too:

22k: Prelude Base or GTI VR6, Integra GSR, Mustang GT, Camaro SS Z28
26k: Prelude SH or Integra Type R
31-33k: Audi TT, S2000, 328i, IS300, 9-3 SE

[trollface]

"
Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD View Post
You'd be surprised how many people around my age (late 20s/early 30s) won't look at anything that isn't a hybrid."

That's not surprising at all. A car is a form of transport for 99% of ppl, that's why Civics and Camrys sell so well, why would you want to pay $100 bucks for a tank of gas when you can pay $20 on a hybrid and get to the same place at the exact same time?

[bcrdukes]

What was buyer of Preludes in late 90s/2000s like?

Looks like it was priced pretty high back then too:

22k: Prelude Base or GTI VR6, Integra GSR, Mustang GT, Camaro SS Z28
26k: Prelude SH or Integra Type R
31-33k: Audi TT, S2000, 328i, IS300, 9-3 SE

Don't forget, insurance on the BB6 Prelude was also very expensive in Vancouver.

RIP SAAB.

[AstulzerRZD]

Why was the BB6 insurance so expensive?

My impression was like my school teachers or like dads who wanted to be kinda cool but needed more space than Integra bought the Prelude.

[bcrdukes]

Why was the BB6 insurance so expensive?

My impression was like my school teachers or like dads who wanted to be kinda cool but needed more space than Integra bought the Prelude.

I don't recall but a few guys on here when RS first started had them, and it was crazy expensive. Something about they were prone to being stolen and parts were expensive and limited. I recall one of my friends on here who had one was paying somewhere like $3500 a year while an MR2 was $2000 or so.

[SSM_DC5]

I wouldn't look at anything that's not at least a hybrid nowadays that's not my fun car. It makes zero sense for a commuter to not at least have partial electrification, for reasons of practicality, costs over long term, and when used correctly and correctly sized, environmental.

No a Hummer is not a good use case as you'll never recover the environmental costs of such a vehicle, but for sure the application of hybrid or PHEV in a X3, Sienna, Civic, etc makes a ton of sense.

How many kms you do per year?
The amount of kms per year when considering ice vs hybrid should be something to consider when you think about long term cost.

Hybrid will be higher insurance cost, and if you don't drive much, your gas "savings" will be low. Your operating cost will remain high and you had to put out a price premium when you purchased just to get hybrid over ICE variant.

[EvoFire]

On our X5, we are doing around 13000km a year. We paid roughly 10k more than an equivalent X5 40i, and majority of our mileage is done in EV mode. We were filling around 2-3 tanks of gas a month in our X3 @ ~$110-120 per tank, we are putting in around $50 of electricity a month right now and around $50 of gas every 2-3 months.

Here's the math-y bit.

We got around 400-450km/ tank in the X3, X5 would probably a bit less efficient, but gas prices have dropped a bit since, so let's say 400km/$110 otherwise, and we'll round down.
13000/400 = 32.5, so we'll do 32 for a nice even number.
32 tanks x $110 = $3520 per year in fuel for a X5 40i.

I've put in gas like 5 times after owning the car for 15 months but it came with a full tank to start, so let's say 5 fillups of $50 every year.
5x $50 = $250
$50 of electricity/m
12x $50 = $600
The cost of running a X5 PHEV for us is around $850/y

Quite frankly I don't think the X5 PHEV vs regular X5 insurance carries a huge difference as we are paying $2500/y on the X5. Dark has an aneurysm everytime I talk to him about insurance because Tesla insurance costs are unusually high. It's roughly inline with my M3 at $2200/y with the X5 edging my M3 in MSRP and likely repair costs as well.

At the end of the day, comparing a regular gasser X5 vs my PHEV, I'm saving almost $3k a year in fuel for $10k more in buy in price. Then comes the other intangibles such as being able to run AC/heat with the car off, which also means I can precondition the car before I get in. IMO the drivability of the car in city traffic is just better with the electric motor with instant response off the line, that's something electrified drivetrains will have over an ICE only drivetrain.

I'll still have M3 when I want to have fun, and I'll most likely always have a fun gas car but the majority of our mileage goes on the X5.

[AstulzerRZD]

There's other advantages to hybrid/PHEV too:

1) pre-heat or cool the cabin so gf/wife doesn't complain
2) way smoother on adaptive cruise and in stop and go
3) you can really rip it in the morning w/o warmup
4) there's some free charging stations iykyk

[Traum]

Random thoughts about the car:

- The tail / trunk line is just too long. This thing is dying for a properly sized wang.

- The model's success is gonna depend on final pricing and availability, and neither looks promising right now.

We already know it'll be priced somewhere between the Civic hybrid ($37k sedan / $39k for hatchback) and the Type R ($55k supposedly, but market price is nowhere close to being that low). The fewer cars there are available and the more expensive these cars are, the less popular / successful this generation of Prelude will be.

- I must be getting old and lazy bcos I feel like the absence of a manual tranny in this car would make it an enjoyable daily commuter. Traffic is increasingly getting worse in this city, and I don't need to row my own gears in when there are so many traffic lights when I am just driving around in the city.

[EvoFire]

I'm not sure what the availability of the Civic hybrid is like right now, but considering that hybrid drivetrain is basically Honda's bread and butter right now I'd imagine drivetrain availability isn't going to be an issue. If the car isn't available it would be because Honda decided to not make enough or the dealers don't want to deal with a low volume warm sporty car.

The old Prelude was expensive, imo the current Civic is expensive too and with it most likely sitting above the Civic in price yet not any hotter, I question how well it'll be received. We saw the failure that was the CR-Z. One of the allures of the original Preludes was it being a "big block" Honda with the H22. Nothing else came with an engine bigger until the K24 and J30 or NSX.

[RabidRat]

There's other advantages to hybrid/PHEV too:

2) way smoother on adaptive cruise

Why is that? Is regenerative braking noticeably smoother than using the brakes, for adaptive cruise systems?

[RabidRat]

What was buyer of Preludes in late 90s/2000s like?

Looks like it was priced pretty high back then too:

22k: Prelude Base or GTI VR6, Integra GSR, Mustang GT, Camaro SS Z28
26k: Prelude SH or Integra Type R
31-33k: Audi TT, S2000, 328i, IS300, 9-3 SE

That's nuts that anyone would take a base Prelude or GSR over a V8 Mustang GT, or even a GTI VR6.

And then a Prelude SH over an ITR?!

What's wrong with people?!

[AstulzerRZD]

Why is that? Is regenerative braking noticeably smoother than using the brakes, for adaptive cruise systems?

i think its mostly when ur accelerating that the electric motor makes it a lot smoother and responsive. no waiting for downshifts or feeling random shifting you didn't ask for.

on braking, yeah the regen brakes are smoother too.

[AstulzerRZD]

That's nuts that anyone would take a base Prelude or GSR over a V8 Mustang GT, or even a GTI VR6.

And then a Prelude SH over an ITR?!

What's wrong with people?!

I assume that JDM was so popular back then that buying American would be pretty lame.

Feels like VR6 is only the real contender here because American interiors and quality sucked even more back then.

imo the Mustang didn't really drive well until the 2024 S650; my S550 was bad.

[EvoFire]

The Mustangs were a pretty weak entry. A Matrix XRS would out run a new edge V6, and the interiors are terribad.

[JDMDreams]

I wonder why they even bother with this. Does the gr86, Miata even sell enough to make money? It's such a mid effort. Rsx, Accord coupe, Camry coupe, crz all got discontinued. Even tlx and Acura is pretty dead for their half assed efforts. Only thing that's remotely decent is 400z but that's still too much $. Supra doesn't count cuz it's a BMW.

[Badhobz]

Typical retarded Honda. Their CTR basically prints money, nah lets go develop a new ugly piece of shit that nobody will buy and clog up assembly line instead of building more CTRs. What’s the wait on CTRs? Still 5 years or something?

The fuck is wrong with these clowns.

[radeonboy]

Hopefully the platform will pave way for a Prelude Type-R down the road, otherwise right now it feels mostly like a CVT Civic SI coupe with a hybrid powertrain. I quite like its design though.

According to the article linked below, the new Prelude in Japan costs more than the CTR and other Japanese sports cars:
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/09/honda-prelude-japan-price-leak-hybrid-coupe/


The new Honda Prelude is available to order in Japan starting at ¥6,179,800 yen ($41,700).
The hybrid coupe costs more than the Nissan Z, and even the GR Supra (4cyl) in its home market.
Honda is also offering a limited edition with a black roof and mirrors for ¥6,480,000 ($43,700).

Designed as a sportier and more premium two-door counterpart to the Civic, the Prelude shares the same basic platform but positions itself as a step up in style, handling, and equipment. The premium pricing reflects that positioning, placing it above the performance-focused Civic Type R hatchback.

[EvoFire]

The positioning of it really doesn't make sense. If it is really that premium then it should have been an Acura? But there's already the Integra. Then comes the issue of it not being a bespoke product. The prelude was a bespoke product, this is a Civic hybrid with a different skin. Sure you can't get a Civic Hybrid coupe, or even a coupe, but is anyone really clamoring for that particular permutation? They discontinued the Civic coupe due to poor sales, but turn around and release a Civic coupe anyways.

[JDMDreams]

God damnit just make a civic ek, ep hatch. Like I would buy a type r tomorrow but don't want to play with dealer games. And how can they ask for more money than a model 3.

[AstulzerRZD]

I would've rather them made a HR-V Hybrid/Type R instead of an 2 door coupe lol.

At least I could border collie a few tech bro friends into buying one

[supafamous]

Random thoughts about the car:

- The tail / trunk line is just too long. This thing is dying for a properly sized wang.

- The model's success is gonna depend on final pricing and availability, and neither looks promising right now.

We already know it'll be priced somewhere between the Civic hybrid ($37k sedan / $39k for hatchback) and the Type R ($55k supposedly, but market price is nowhere close to being that low). The fewer cars there are available and the more expensive these cars are, the less popular / successful this generation of Prelude will be.

- I must be getting old and lazy bcos I feel like the absence of a manual tranny in this car would make it an enjoyable daily commuter. Traffic is increasingly getting worse in this city, and I don't need to row my own gears in when there are so many traffic lights when I am just driving around in the city.

I don't think it'll sell that well but I dig it and I like that Honda is trying this out - this is an unique car and I bet it does drive awesome considering the underlying CTR parts and the general goodness of the Civic. 0-60 in the low sixes, 45-50mpg, EV like drivetrain, sharp looks, CTR suspension but tuned for comfort - those all sound like winners except for the fact that people don't buy coupes no more. For $45k that sounds like a nice car for someone wanting a sporty coupe that's easy to live with.

re: spoiler - I saw the Honda one in one of the videos and it looks good and Mugen is going to offer one as well (along with much better looking BBS wheels) (https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a65984559/2026-honda-prelude-mugen-body-kit/)

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/2N2pWn/s1/mugen-prelude.webp

[RabidRat]

- I must be getting old and lazy bcos I feel like the absence of a manual tranny in this car would make it an enjoyable daily commuter. Traffic is increasingly getting worse in this city, and I don't need to row my own gears in when there are so many traffic lights when I am just driving around in the city.

It's not just that. Modern manual transmissions - excluding higher end sports cars - are starting to suck to drive.

Rev hang, vague clutch feel, mushy shift action + comically long throw, you might not even want it if you could drive it in flowing twisties all day long :(.

[Traum]

I wonder why they even bother with this. Does the gr86, Miata even sell enough to make money? It's such a mid effort. Rsx, Accord coupe, Camry coupe, crz all got discontinued. Even tlx and Acura is pretty dead for their half assed efforts. Only thing that's remotely decent is 400z but that's still too much $. Supra doesn't count cuz it's a BMW.
IMO the Miata has always been Mazda's "affordable" halo car, so it would be a mistake for them to get rid of it. GR86 is a joint effort -- ie. cost-shared -- between Toyota and Subaru, with the 1st gen car started life sharing some existing Impreza parts to help reduce cost. And then the 2nd car is very much a refinement of the 1st gen, so I am guessing the overall development costs are nowhere nearly as high as a freshly developed and independent model?

It also seems reasonable to assume that this 6th gen Prelude didn't cost Honda very much in development money since it is very much a shared platform + parts bin effort. But it is being priced between the Civic hybrid and CTR. So I guess Honda's expected sales numbers would at least allow them to make some money out of the car.

re: spoiler - I saw the Honda one in one of the videos and it looks good and Mugen is going to offer one as well (along with much better looking BBS wheels)
The Mugen rear spoiler should have been an OEM piece that came on a high trim Prelude. Keep the base model wingless / spoiler-less so that people wanting the better look would fork out more money for the higher trim level. Shouldn't that have been standard practice for auto manufacturers?

And then Mugen and others should be making something the size of a Cayman GT4 wing for the Prelude.

[JDMDreams]

Make hood spoilers great again

https://risingtuning.com/image/cache/catalog/p/511/2-1427x212819w.jpg

[teggy604]

Prelude expected to come with a 2.0L 4 banger with 2 electric motors pushing 200hp.... is that some sort of joke? And they adding fake shift sounds because no mechanical gear box. Hahaha haha.


I save myself 40K and buy an old prelude any day. Whether it be auto or manual.

[RabidRat]

30 years later, same hp as before.

It almost comes for free to use high-power electric motors, why not take some beefier ones from their EV parts bin?!

[AstulzerRZD]

EV ones belong to GM lol

I still want Honda and Stellantis to merge - they could get some solid V8s, RWD platforms and most critically, an extended range EV powertrain.

imagine...

1) PHEV Odyssey but actually reliable
2) Pilot/MDX Type S hybrid with a v6, 92kwh battery, 663hp/615lbft torque, ZF8 speed, and 500 miles of range. (this is the Grand Wagoneer EREV)
3) Alfa Romeo Giulietta/Brera/GT with the Prelude bits.

[Badhobz]

this new prelude is such a piece of shit. just go die honda. JUST GO DIE !!!!

[supafamous]

EV ones belong to GM lol

I still want Honda and Stellantis to merge - they could get some solid V8s, RWD platforms and most critically, an extended range EV powertrain.

imagine...

1) PHEV Odyssey but actually reliable
2) Pilot/MDX Type S hybrid with a v6, 92kwh battery, 663hp/615lbft torque, ZF8 speed, and 500 miles of range. (this is the Grand Wagoneer EREV)
3) Alfa Romeo Giulietta/Brera/GT with the Prelude bits.

I would hate that and Soichiro would rollover in his grave if that happened.

I don't think Honda has the culture to merge with someone - they may not be the Honda of Soichiro's time but they still aren't like most other car companies and Stellantis is such a shit show (just shut it down please).

[Manic!]

People don't like what Honda makes then 20 plus years later everyone wants one.

[bcrdukes]

Stellantis should just head straight to the graveyard.

[AstulzerRZD]

ok like I generally agree that the company is a mess, especially the software

but other than the germans, they're the only ones making fun cars like Wrangler, V8s attached to reliable transmission (ZF8), and dope seats + quiet cabins (Durango/RAM).
launch control is 4500 rpm on the 500hp RAM RHO.. and you get a 10 year/160k km warranty.

Without them we would be stuck with exploding Tundras, that shit new audi cabin, and 4 cylinder C63s.

[Traum]

We already know it'll be priced somewhere between the Civic hybrid ($37k sedan / $39k for hatchback) and the Type R ($55k supposedly, but market price is nowhere close to being that low).
Come to think of it, the Mk8 GTI (aka Badhobz' Hitler Box) starts at ~$39k. If VW can inflate its residual value to offer a $500/month lease, wouldn't Honda be able to easily use their naturally high residual to also come up with a $500/month lease for this Prelude?

Then watch Badhobz get into the said Prelude when his GTI lease runs out. And then we'll remind him he said this:
this new prelude is such a piece of shit. just go die honda. JUST GO DIE !!!!
:lawl:

[AstulzerRZD]

Honda has too much self esteem to bump their residuals like that

They'd rather put you into a Prologue... which is somehow #2 selling EV in the US

[TypeRNammer]

https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2009/10/toyota-ft-86-prototype-spy-shot-front-tree-quarter.jpg

https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2009/10/toyota-ft-86-prototype-spy-shot-in-motion-at-ring.jpg

https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2009/10/toyota-ft-86-prototype-spy-shot-rear-three-quarter.jpg

It's still pretty wild to think that the Toyota and Subaru twins started life as a hacked and shortened Impreza WRX platform.

I had a 2014 Subaru BRZ when it was first released. Interior felt really cheap, and it was gutless because of the torque dip issues. Otherwise it was a reasonably fun car.

[bcrdukes]

Dodge etc. can continue making their cars. I have no doubts they will fulfill that market. You can continue loving your Jeeps, and that's ok. But since their dominating empire, what really has genuinely worked well for them? As a customer and as a shareholder, I'm not seeing the long term value.

Re: Badhobz in a Prelude. I think he'll get one when the GTI lease runs out while secretly waxing his Porsche 911 Turbo that will never see the light of day. (Probably has one. Just won't admit it.)

[bcrdukes]

His "thank" must mean he has a Porsche. Hah!

[RabidRat]

Come to think of it, the Mk8 GTI (aka Badhobz' Hitler Box) starts at ~$39k. If VW can inflate its residual value to offer a $500/month lease, wouldn't Honda be able to easily use their naturally high residual to also come up with a $500/month lease for this Prelude?

Then watch Badhobz get into the said Prelude when his GTI lease runs out. And then we'll remind him he said this:

:lawl:

Can anyone school me on how this works?

How is it profitable for manufacturers to fake a too-high residual value on leases??

Eventually they have to sell that lease return at a loss. And they're the ones paying for that loss, right?

Is this all about tax write-offs??

[AstulzerRZD]

That + they can re-sell them CPO and make money on that financing again.

[RabidRat]

Ya but the total amount of equity being financed is still the same? Just that it was split up between two parties.

If anything, the amount of equity being financed is less, because the 3-year lessee only financed the first 20% of the vehicle's value, and then because the residual was fakely high, the dealer now has to sell it CPO at the actual value, like 66% of the vehicle's value. Who's eating the missing 14%?!

[AstulzerRZD]

Imagine a faked residual of 30k when the actual residual is 25k

25k is what it'd be worth at auction/at like a Kingsway lot.

BMW FS will make
- 27k selling it to a dealer who will sell it CPO
- 2k on interest financing the CPO buyer
- 1k on interest initially
- and maybe there was some other penalty somewhere in the supply chain worth 1k if they reduced production

[mikemhg]

This is interesting stuff.

So VW is known for inflating the residual value on leases? What other automakers do the same?

[AstulzerRZD]

MB and BMW are reliable residual boosters.
VW and Audi are stingy, really surprised the GTI had a deal.

[RabidRat]

Imagine a faked residual of 30k when the actual residual is 25k

25k is what it'd be worth at auction/at like a Kingsway lot.

BMW FS will make
- 27k selling it to a dealer who will sell it CPO
- 2k on interest financing the CPO buyer
- 1k on interest initially
- and maybe there was some other penalty somewhere in the supply chain worth 1k if they reduced production

But doesn't that 3k on interest have to cover the equity spread between 30k and 27k? Because the lessee only paid the principal down to 30k. So then BMW FS just breaks even. Not to mention the opportunity cost of loaning that 3k... it cost them something too, to tie up those funds.

Wouldn't they rather profit 3k on interest, by financing the car to someone who owes the entire value of the car?!

In either case they could pocket the 1k in avoided supply chain penalties.

Shit's crazy, I don't get it. What I do get, is that I should be leasing from now on... and then after returning it, go buy the car as a CPO for a few thousand dollars of discount lol.

edit: oh even better: can you avoid all the interest owed on a lease, if you just immediately pay all your payments in a lump sum? and then you don't even pay any interest!! Just pocket the difference by buying the CPO from the dealership for a $3k discount!

[AstulzerRZD]

Instead of financing you for 6 years, if they give you 3x2 year leases they get to sell 3 cars that are probs more expensive than one you would’ve financed - and they pad their sales numbers and value of the whole company.

The 3 CPO cars they finance are just cherry on the cake.

[AstulzerRZD]

Also yes you can do a one pay lease - great way to reduce ur business tax.

Some finance arms also need cash flow, ZDX were leasing ~5k one pay for 24 months, 7.5k miles.
The monthly was ~100 or so higher without the one pay incentive.

[JDMDreams]

So is fl5 under $40000 yet, or should I just get a fd2, fn2

[68style]

You can search just as well as anyone else!

[Badhobz]

So is fl5 under $40000 yet, or should I just get a fd2, fn2

what car do you have again!?

just get a miata!!!! i keep telling everyone, but its literally the best performance deal out there. You get a nice top down experience, a small chuckable car thats cheap on gas, cheap on insurance and cheap on consumables. The only other car that fits that category is the GR86/BRZ. Or you can pay like 70k more to upsize to pig nose M3 but thats a lot of money to shave off a few seconds 0-60. If you wanted purely speed just pickup a used EV to go fast in a straight line.

[RabidRat]

@JDM how's your back? And do you have anything to live for? If not, how about a sport bike? Way cheaper and way faster than a miata. It's even top-down by default!

[Badhobz]

@JDM how's your back? And do you have anything to live for? If not, how about a sport bike? Way cheaper and way faster than a miata. It's even top-down by default!

KEKW probably not KEKW

[AstulzerRZD]

what car do you have again!?

just get a miata!!!! i keep telling everyone, but its literally the best performance deal out there. You get a nice top down experience, a small chuckable car thats cheap on gas, cheap on insurance and cheap on consumables. The only other car that fits that category is the GR86/BRZ. Or you can pay like 70k more to upsize to pig nose M3 but thats a lot of money to shave off a few seconds 0-60. If you wanted purely speed just pickup a used EV to go fast in a straight line.

ima be real - i made the s2k work but the mx-5 is inconveniently small.

- passenger seat too small because my left foot is blocked by the footwell subwoofer.
- can't fit medium checked suitcase (s2k does carry-on AND 26")
- can't fit a bag of dogfood nor toilet paper from costco

girl i saw bought one and we usually took the s2k cuz it was acceptably more practical for her, the small dog, and i.

https://i.imgur.com/4Cs6t8b.jpeg

[bcrdukes]

what car do you have again!?

just get a miata!!!! i keep telling everyone, but its literally the best performance deal out there. You get a nice top down experience, a small chuckable car thats cheap on gas, cheap on insurance and cheap on consumables. The only other car that fits that category is the GR86/BRZ. Or you can pay like 70k more to upsize to pig nose M3 but thats a lot of money to shave off a few seconds 0-60. If you wanted purely speed just pickup a used EV to go fast in a straight line.

You forgot your favourite manufacturer: PORSCHE :troll:

[Traum]

You forgot your favourite manufacturer: PORSCHE :troll:
Boxster for the top down experience. Cayman for the driving experience. And 911 for the... well, full on Porsche experience.

The frunk is honestly huge. Not golf bag huge, but good enough for a medium size suitcase, I think?

And I'm gonna say the p-cars are better than the blue Ratoulla. :troll:

[68style]

oooooooof RIP Traum

[Badhobz]

Boxster for the top down experience. Cayman for the driving experience. And 911 for the... well, full on Porsche experience.

The frunk is honestly huge. Not golf bag huge, but good enough for a medium size suitcase, I think?

And I'm gonna say the p-cars are better than the blue Ratoulla. :troll:

im not going to dignify that with a response. HUMPH! :accepted:

[Badhobz]

Those retards at honda just released the pricing in the states. $43,850 MSRP USD !!!!! so like 60k canadian?! for 200hp!?!??!?!

honda's out of their fucking minds. idiots.

yes, lets start a new line. Resurrect a classic name and then proceed to shit all over it. GREAT IDEA HONDUH.

[JDMDreams]

Yea another crz, just like how they gate keep type r

[EvoFire]

Those retards at honda just released the pricing in the states. $43,850 MSRP USD !!!!! so like 60k canadian?! for 200hp!?!??!?!

honda's out of their fucking minds. idiots.

yes, lets start a new line. Resurrect a classic name and then proceed to shit all over it. GREAT IDEA HONDUH.

Mitsubishi called, they said to get in line.

https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/mitsubishi/eclipse-cross/2026/oem/2026_mitsubishi_eclipse-cross_4dr-suv_sel_fq_oem_1_815.jpg

[noclue]

Who's doing Honda's market analysis? They keep missing with hybrid sports cars, didnt they get the message by now? Revive the S2000 and put the type-r engine in it but they probably dont wanna spend on a RWD platform.

[JDMDreams]

Hold my beer, :troll:

https://smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital/driving/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/2026-Nissan-Rogue-Plug-in-Hybrid-11-3.jpg

I guess they are that broke and desperate, at least the base isn't bad

[AstulzerRZD]

Who's doing Honda's market analysis? They keep missing with hybrid sports cars, didnt they get the message by now? Revive the S2000 and put the type-r engine in it but they probably dont wanna spend on a RWD platform.

Prelude's body and interior costs like 10-15% of a normal program with all new powertrain, full R&D, and tooling.
If they did S2000 revival reusing type-r engine, it would cost... 5-6X more to do and ~60-80% of an all new program.

Pretty solid breakdown here: https://www.stellantis.com/content/dam/stellantis-corporate/archives/fca/analyst-presentations/2015/SM_Fire_investor_presentation.pdf

[Traum]

We all know the Prelude is gonna come in somewhere between the Civic hybrid and the FL5. With the Civic hybrid being in the Cdn $40k+ range, and the FL5 being ~Cdn $70k, the Prelude being $60k is not unexpected.

Also, while that $60k number looks big, if you convert it back into 2000 money, it's around Cdn$35k. How much Honda can you buy with $35k back then? I have a feeling that the ITR was selling at much closer to $40k than $35k back in 2000.

FWIW, a 2004 RSX-S had an MSRP of $31.4k. $60k in 2004 money is ~$38k.
Those retards at honda just released the pricing in the states. $43,850 MSRP USD !!!!! so like 60k canadian?! for 200hp!?!??!?!

honda's out of their fucking minds. idiots.

yes, lets start a new line. Resurrect a classic name and then proceed to shit all over it. GREAT IDEA HONDUH.

[RabidRat]

Man, the RSX Type-S was such a great car. They should've just added an LSD and kept cranking those things out.

[Badhobz]

We all know the Prelude is gonna come in somewhere between the Civic hybrid and the FL5. With the Civic hybrid being in the Cdn $40k+ range, and the FL5 being ~Cdn $70k, the Prelude being $60k is not unexpected.

Also, while that $60k number looks big, if you convert it back into 2000 money, it's around Cdn$35k. How much Honda can you buy with $35k back then? I have a feeling that the ITR was selling at much closer to $40k than $35k back in 2000.

FWIW, a 2004 RSX-S had an MSRP of $31.4k. $60k in 2004 money is ~$38k.

Dont defend these idiots. Like i said before, if it wasnt for the CTR, modern Honda is basically trash with nothing going for it. Zero innovation, cant do jack shit right. They've totally lost their magic. What happened to the high reving, light weight, sporty cars?! how do you go from K series and B series powered dream machines to these boring ass trash things they make nowadays?

Civic type R msrp is 53k man! this thing is gonna be more expensive than a CTR!?!? more like an Acura integra type S priced.... for a lousy 200hp, and a hybrid system, and no manual. Plus it looks like a prius and an accord shat out autistic baby.

[supafamous]

Those retards at honda just released the pricing in the states. $43,850 MSRP USD !!!!! so like 60k canadian?! for 200hp!?!??!?!

honda's out of their fucking minds. idiots.

yes, lets start a new line. Resurrect a classic name and then proceed to shit all over it. GREAT IDEA HONDUH.

It won't be $60k as Hondas are cheaper in Canada - a Civic hatchback touring in the states is $33.5k USD which would be over $46k here but we sell it for $43k. CTR is about $55k so the Prelude will probably land around $48-50k here.

[Badhobz]

Even so, you think 45k-50k is justifiable for a stupid 200hp prelude? the GR86 is 35k base and has 220hp and RWD and a manual.

This is porsche level of idiocy and pricing.

[supafamous]

Even so, you think 45k-50k is justifiable for a stupid 200hp prelude? the GR86 is 35k base and has 220hp and RWD and a manual.

This is porsche level of idiocy and pricing.

$5k more than the Civic hatch seems reasonable considering it's a mix of a Civic hatch and a CTR but it does seem a bit outrageous next to a BRZ but the BRZ is not its competitor and Honda has said they don't expect to sell many (5,000 in the US).

[Badhobz]

what is this thing suppose to compete against?

FWD... sounds like a GTI / hot hatch competitor but its more expensive and less performant. Isnt it just gonna eat its own civic Si market share ? thats also 200hp fwd and priced between the hybrid and the CTR.

[Traum]

what is this thing suppose to compete against?

At the end of the day, this Prelude is a 90% parts bin car, which means the development costs for Honda is pretty low. Low (engineering) effort, low cost, high margin. What is there not to like? (for Honda, that is)

IIRC Hondas have always commanded a premium over other Japanese cars. It was the very reason why my cheapa$$ dad bought Nissans and (rebadged) Mazdas instead.

200hp for the money is definitely on the low bang for the buck end of things, but the electric torque is supposed to be masking that deficiency fairly well at normal street speed.

For reasons that I cannot explain, I am oddly drawn to the car, even though I know it makes absolutely no logical sense. And I don't have the money nor the garage space for it anyway.

[supafamous]

what is this thing suppose to compete against?

FWD... sounds like a GTI / hot hatch competitor but its more expensive and less performant. Isnt it just gonna eat its own civic Si market share ? thats also 200hp fwd and priced between the hybrid and the CTR.

I don't think it competes directly against anything in particular since there's barely any affordable coupes around. It's not supposed to be a sports car so the BRZ/Miata are not competitors and it's far more stylish than owning a Civic hatch or Elantra N and it's a lot cheaper than 230i or CLE. I'm not sure who the car really is for though - I like the idea of it (a budget GT that's fuel efficient but sporty-ish) but I'm not sure there's many customers for that kind of car.

Re: Price between the hybrid and CTR - that's kinda where it should be though as it's a mix of hybrid and CTR parts. You could argue that this is basically a hybrid CTR instead of a hybrid coupe.

FWIW, it should do 0-60 in the low 6s range so while it's only 200hp it's reasonably quick. I'd be really interested in how it performs in the next gen when the hybrid drivetrain gains a rear motor and probably another 20-30hp.

[AstulzerRZD]

TBH this is the kinda shit track people should want for a daily - fuel efficient but with great tire, brake, chassis.

BUT, I like sporty hybrids and EVs but I really think they missed the mark here.

No sportier shifting logic or whatever, it drives like a Civic.
No using EV to cut turbo lag like everyone else.
No using turbo AND motor together for regen like Porsche.
In Europe it is detuned to 180hp because of emissions, 8.2s 0-62.

If it must have batteries, it's really hard to make a case when the Mach E GT PP, Ioniq 5N, Lucid Air, or Taycan are sooooo good for the same 40k USD.

[headhunt3r]

I didn't believe you could find a used Lucid Air for $40k USD, so I looked. You can sorta find ones with an accident for around that, but the accident free ones are closer to $50k. Meanwhile, used in Canada are still going for $100k Canadian pesos.

[AstulzerRZD]

The prices went up after the EV credit went away.

Taycan RWD with close to 0 option is now solidly in high 30s low 40s but that interior will have Mitsubishi Mirage level plastics.

[Badhobz]

I went to lucid today and the air was leasing at 980 a month taxes in for 36 month and zero down.

I would have gotten it if it wasn’t for the ultra low roofline that makes getting in and out slightly challenging. Plus why do I need another sedan, the gravity is where it’s at.

[EvoFire]

I don't think it competes directly against anything in particular since there's barely any affordable coupes around. It's not supposed to be a sports car so the BRZ/Miata are not competitors and it's far more stylish than owning a Civic hatch or Elantra N and it's a lot cheaper than 230i or CLE. I'm not sure who the car really is for though - I like the idea of it (a budget GT that's fuel efficient but sporty-ish) but I'm not sure there's many customers for that kind of car.

Re: Price between the hybrid and CTR - that's kinda where it should be though as it's a mix of hybrid and CTR parts. You could argue that this is basically a hybrid CTR instead of a hybrid coupe.

FWIW, it should do 0-60 in the low 6s range so while it's only 200hp it's reasonably quick. I'd be really interested in how it performs in the next gen when the hybrid drivetrain gains a rear motor and probably another 20-30hp.

It's a recycled segment, the personal coupe, but with a more modern interpretation.

This takes aim at the nostalgic 40+ crew who grew up driving Preludes but their backs and knees can't handle something like what they had before so it's in name only. There's no real competitor cause everyone quit the coupe making business.

TBH this is the kinda shit track people should want for a daily - fuel efficient but with great tire, brake, chassis.

BUT, I like sporty hybrids and EVs but I really think they missed the mark here.

No sportier shifting logic or whatever, it drives like a Civic.
No using EV to cut turbo lag like everyone else.
No using turbo AND motor together for regen like Porsche.
In Europe it is detuned to 180hp because of emissions, 8.2s 0-62.

If it must have batteries, it's really hard to make a case when the Mach E GT PP, Ioniq 5N, Lucid Air, or Taycan are sooooo good for the same 40k USD.

There's no gearbox on the drivetrain, you floor it and it'll give you 100%.
There's no turbo.
I saw that the Euro version is 0-100 at 8.5s. Not sure what they did. I'd assume the gas engine makes less power cause the electric part of it would be the same.

They really should have found a bigger motor to put in, but Honda only has one motor it's putting in everything, and it's not big enough for their big cars. One can hope they revisit this package in the future when their hybrid drivetrain is ready for the Pilot, so they can drop the big 300hp hybrid drivetrain into the Prelude. Prelude SH anyone?

[Traum]

Normally with EVs, you'd just add a second (electric) motor into the car to power the other axle, and then you'd instantly add another X-hp to make the car go faster. The additional motor may or may not be the same size / have the same power output.

With this Prelude, I doubt there is enough room for even just a small (electric) motor to power the rear wheels as well.

[AstulzerRZD]

US also got 15% tariff, price should be lower in Canada

[AstulzerRZD]

There's no gearbox on the drivetrain, you floor it and it'll give you 100%.


It actually does simulate upshifts, but it's not like the Ioniq 5N where you can put it in a fully simulated gearbox mode so you can use the shifts to help rotate/time your corner entry.
My point is more it's a missed opportunity, whether it's driving feel, powertrain innovation, etc.

[JDMDreams]

For $50000 why would you not just buy a slightly used gr Corolla, type r, or even 400z :fulloffuck:

[AstulzerRZD]

https://global.honda/en/tech/honda_s_plus_shift/

ah looks like they did add Ioniq 5 style shifting simulation

[Badhobz]

Oh yes, thats exactly what everyone asked for. Honda new fangled automatic-ish transmissions. Cuz they totally DON'T HAVE A HiSTORy OF HORRIBLE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS.

Cant see this being an issue at all...... said a few hundred thousand TL owners, odyssey owners, etc

[AstulzerRZD]

It's fine old man, they just connected the regen to the paddles and use the EV motor to give you a bump or two when upshifting
What power does this even have to roast a transmission with?

[noclue]

https://www.wardsauto.com/news/honda-unveils-hev-platform-v6-engine-super-one-ev-concept/805586/

V6 hybrid has potential.

[AstulzerRZD]

The targets look shit

improve the fuel efficiency of the HEV platform by over 30%
This means a Pilot will do 0-60 in 6.5 seconds rather than 7.5, still weak.

improve full-throttle acceleration of its larger HEVs by more than 10% compared to its current internal combustion engine models
Combined fuel economy would be 9L/100km, terrible.

The Stellantis range extended EV is what I think they actually want to build.
- 647HP, 620lbft, 0-60 in 4.5s
- 8L/100km combined
- 150 mile EV range
- V6 engine is generator for the battery
- DC fast charging, 145kW
- 92kwh battery, 70kwh usable and 22kwh in reserve
- Vehicle to load

[noclue]

I think this will be roughly as fuel efficient as the Toyota hybrids with geared transmissions, but be much better to drive.
The Stellantis range extended EV is what I think they actually want to build.

Honda made a V6 hybrid in the accord back in 2005. It was pretty decent on gas on the highway but couldnt compete with toyota in the city driving. Wonder how much they will improve on it with modern tech or make it a range extender a la stellantis.

https://global.honda/content/dam/site/global-en/newsroom-new/cq_img/worldnews/2004/4040917/01.jpg

https://global.honda/en/newsroom/worldnews/2004/4040917.html

[supafamous]

The targets look shit

This means a Pilot will do 0-60 in 6.5 seconds rather than 7.5, still weak.

Combined fuel economy would be 9L/100km, terrible.


The targets don't seem to make a lot of sense considering their MDX Hybrid from a generation ago basically could hit those numbers (I believe C/D got a combined 28mpg or so with it) already. With a clean sheet V6 coming and refinement of an existing system that works pretty well you'd think they'd be aiming for 30-33mpg for a Pilot.

[AstulzerRZD]

The targets don't seem to make a lot of sense considering their MDX Hybrid from a generation ago basically could hit those numbers (I believe C/D got a combined 28mpg or so with it) already. With a clean sheet V6 coming and refinement of an existing system that works pretty well you'd think they'd be aiming for 30-33mpg for a Pilot.

In the most optimistic scenario, this could be more efficient (29 vs 27mpg) and could be 26% faster than MDX Sport Hybrid.

Step 1) Improve accel by 10% vs. MDX Type S
MDX Sport Hybrid: 5.7s, 1/4 mile in 14.5s
MDX Type S: 5.4s, 1/4 mile in 14s
-10%: 4.9s, 12.7s which is X7 40i

Step 2) Improve fuel economy by 30%
22MPG combined on Odyssey/Pilot
+30% = 29mpg, which is better than 27mpg on old Sport Hybrid.

They have to do this while fixing their emissions, which is a huge problem because none of Honda was designed to be Euro 7 compliant.
HYBRID Civic/CR-V/Prelude is derated 20hp to 181, Type R was cancelled.

Achieving better fuel economy AND emissions while maintaining power is hard enough. I'd be impressed if they pulled this off.

[EvoFire]

In the most optimistic scenario, this could be more efficient (29 vs 27mpg) and could be 26% faster than MDX Sport Hybrid.

Step 1) Improve accel by 10% vs. MDX Type S
MDX Sport Hybrid: 5.7s, 1/4 mile in 14.5s
MDX Type S: 5.4s, 1/4 mile in 14s
-10%: 4.9s, 12.7s which is X7 40i

Step 2) Improve fuel economy by 30%
22MPG combined on Odyssey/Pilot
+30% = 29mpg, which is better than 27mpg on old Sport Hybrid.

They have to do this while fixing their emissions, which is a huge problem because none of Honda was designed to be Euro 7 compliant.
HYBRID Civic/CR-V/Prelude is derated 20hp to 181, Type R was cancelled.

Achieving better fuel economy AND emissions while maintaining power is hard enough. I'd be impressed if they pulled this off.

The problem with that is they are still getting their teeth kicked in by the X5/X7 base engine, nevermind the X5 50e which DYNOS at 500hp+. The performance MDX trim is getting owned by base engine X5/X7.

We are seeing a new generation X5 soon, with multiple drivetrains available, improved B58, improved B58 PHEV, S68 V8, EV, hydrogen.

I'm honestly surprised to hear Honda is having a rough time with emissions. Gone are the days of the CVCC engineering first company. Same with Toyota now being a rebadge company ala the dark days of GM.

[JDMDreams]

Isn't Acura a dead brand like Infiniti, they literally have no competitive offerings since the Gen one tsx, they wasted away the brand image they built with the tl, mdx. They were supposed to be euro competitor while being cheaper. Sure less power but cheaper, and higher quality interior, reliability. I don't see what advantage they have now.

[68style]

^ they’re getting free rent in your little head?

[AstulzerRZD]

The problem with that is they are still getting their teeth kicked in by the X5/X7 base engine, nevermind the X5 50e which DYNOS at 500hp+. The performance MDX trim is getting owned by base engine X5/X7.

We are seeing a new generation X5 soon, with multiple drivetrains available, improved B58, improved B58 PHEV, S68 V8, EV, hydrogen.

I'm honestly surprised to hear Honda is having a rough time with emissions. Gone are the days of the CVCC engineering first company. Same with Toyota now being a rebadge company ala the dark days of GM.

A lot of us car enthusiasts also forget about cost. Trying to do all of that and sell the hybrid for 60k instead of 90k also makes things a lot more difficult.

The BMW system is good but we're also seeing they have underspent on BMS - Feels like almost 20% of X5 and X3 packs degrade and require cell replacements in the warranty period.

[supafamous]

Isn't Acura a dead brand like Infiniti, they literally have no competitive offerings since the Gen one tsx, they wasted away the brand image they built with the tl, mdx. They were supposed to be euro competitor while being cheaper. Sure less power but cheaper, and higher quality interior, reliability. I don't see what advantage they have now.

Acura is about 10% of Honda's US volume and sells more than double Infiniti's volume but only about 40% what Lexus sells. It's not a super profitable brand but it's still got solid muscles on it.

It's been a long time since Acura was supposed to be an euro competitor - like 20 years ago? It's now just a premium Honda/Japanese brand much the same way that Lexus is no longer competing head to head with the Germans.

It's still a messy brand though - it doesn't move enough volume to print money (like Lexus probably does) so Honda doesn't really invest it in but the RDX/MDX are both good products for their price point but they are not class leading in any way.

Savagegeese had a lot to say about the state of Lexus and a lot of it applies to Acura:

https://youtu.be/WbKgiAdJpDY?si=LQ1ikNUBSR8ONY0v

[AstulzerRZD]

Honda is even more rigid than Toyota when it comes to cost, assembly and tooling.
Any of their cars is generally constructed in a way that it could be made in any other plant without much adjustment.

This is how they ended up with:
1) No body on frame
2) No RWD
3) No EV

The upcoming hybrids and ER-EV is probably the biggest change they're making.
Knowing honda they're going to do it all at once across their lineup, along with new interior tech.

[Badhobz]

if Honda had any brain cells, they would retool half their boring ass lineup and just make CTR's for profit. Hell you can increase the CTR by 10k and im sure people would still buy it (ala integra type S)

[AstulzerRZD]

Their margin on even Civics and CR-V is incredible.
Barely updated those things since 2016, using incredibly old engines even in the Type R.

North American HQ probably has a ton of trouble convincing Japan to invest in the large platform - MDX/Pilot/Passport all saw really shitty first gens until commercial traction was had and Japan decided to spend more.

[supafamous]

if Honda had any brain cells, they would retool half their boring ass lineup and just make CTR's for profit. Hell you can increase the CTR by 10k and im sure people would still buy it (ala integra type S)

I'm kinda puzzled that Honda doesn't make more CTRs and charge a tonne for them as the market is totally there. It's not like there's a parts shortage so it's just them choosing to make it limited production for a car that doesn't need to be limited production.

[AstulzerRZD]

There's the human power part to it.
They gotta pull people off other lines and re-tool/re-arrange the line.

Even for Toyota, ignoring any electronics shortages, making Rav4 Hybrid at TMM-C during the pandemic meant pulling people off other parts of the line. Could only make 2 in a row, now back up to 3/4.

[JDMDreams]

^^ well Toyota some how can do it, I've been seeing way more gr Corolla than type r, Integras, I don't even see normal Integras let alone type s

[BIC_BAWS]

GRC is available in slushbox, making it available to the masses

[AstulzerRZD]

^^ well Toyota some how can do it, I've been seeing way more gr Corolla than type r, Integras, I don't even see normal Integras let alone type s

Literally no one buys Integra, they're 2-3k below MRSP while Civic are generally selling with markup.

Toyota has a lot more resource and flexibility in their manufacturing.
They do RWD, BOF, all shapes and sizes right?

They also have more scale and flexibility in their contracts for parts - how many suppliers are making the GM/Honda dual axis strut?

[roastpuff]

It won't be $60k as Hondas are cheaper in Canada - a Civic hatchback touring in the states is $33.5k USD which would be over $46k here but we sell it for $43k. CTR is about $55k so the Prelude will probably land around $48-50k here.

You nailed it.

https://hondanews.ca/en-CA/releases/release-0af91089c672e8c7eef0558d76038786-new-2026-honda-prelude-sports-coupe-expands-honda-hybrid-electric-lineup-to-four-fun-to-drive-and-fuel-efficient-models

Prelude2026 Honda Prelude Pricing & Fuel Economy

Hybrid

$49,990

5.0 / 5.7 / 5.4

[JDMDreams]

So a Prius coupe. Isn't a phev Prius still cheaper?

[AstulzerRZD]

That's like comparing a base Macan with PTV and PASM to a CX-5 Turbo.
They both have 2.0T engine, AWD, etc.

On Prius, I've driven them a few thousand KM, both the standard and prime.
It's at least as good as Mazda 3 or A3 but it's no sports car.

[JDMDreams]

I thought the phev Prius was pretty fast now a days. And you can drive in pure ev. Also they are in the same price bracket.

[JDMDreams]

2026 Prius Plug-in Hybrid Se $43,056.50

2026 Prius Plug-in Hybrid XSE Premium $51,541.50

220 Horsepower & up to 72km EV range

Also isn't Toyota going more aggressive with the new Corolla thing they just revealed

[radeonboy]

$50k is where I expected the Prelude to be priced in Canada.

I think it's priced alright given the limited market and the added R&D + overhead cost of developing such a niche product. I can see this appealing to DINKs in the 40s and above who want a stylish and comfortable two-door for everyday use, much like the Mini crowd.

[Badhobz]

as a dink in my 40's i wouldnt touch this piece of shit with a 10 foot pole.

just you watch, it'll be a sales failure and they'll pull the plug the same way the CRZ was killed off.

[Traum]

The $50k MSRP is all good and well. But how much will it actually cost at the dealerships? and how good/bad is the availability gonna be?

[JDMDreams]

^^ I doubt there's a huge demand for a $50000 hybrid coupe. Isn't sedans dead, let alone a none sporty 4 cylinder automatic coupe. I see this as a Mitsubishi eclipse or Altima coupe, cl coupe how well did those do?

[EvoFire]

A lot of us car enthusiasts also forget about cost. Trying to do all of that and sell the hybrid for 60k instead of 90k also makes things a lot more difficult.

The BMW system is good but we're also seeing they have underspent on BMS - Feels like almost 20% of X5 and X3 packs degrade and require cell replacements in the warranty period.

I saw that study on pack life. It would seem like BMW expected their target market to not utilize the battery the way a hypermiling freak like me would. On moderate use they have ~80% life at 100k miles. 70% on hard use. I'd say I am part of the hard use group but my mileage is low at only 60k km.

Judging on data from my app, most users are around 60/40 battery/gas, whereas we are consistently >90% battery. But we also only put on roughly 12k/ year (we are 17k km since we bought in June 2024)

The pack is warrantied for 8y/160k, gonna do a battery check at 6-7y to see where we are at. They replace the pack if you are <70% capacity, our in service date is 2021 Oct, so it's been 4 years and judging by reported mileage when fully charged, we are right around the 80% capacity mark.

Acura is about 10% of Honda's US volume and sells more than double Infiniti's volume but only about 40% what Lexus sells. It's not a super profitable brand but it's still got solid muscles on it.

It's been a long time since Acura was supposed to be an euro competitor - like 20 years ago? It's now just a premium Honda/Japanese brand much the same way that Lexus is no longer competing head to head with the Germans.

It's still a messy brand though - it doesn't move enough volume to print money (like Lexus probably does) so Honda doesn't really invest it in but the RDX/MDX are both good products for their price point but they are not class leading in any way.

Savagegeese had a lot to say about the state of Lexus and a lot of it applies to Acura:

https://youtu.be/WbKgiAdJpDY?si=LQ1ikNUBSR8ONY0v

Acura also has around less than 1/2 the model footprint of Lexus in NA. Lexus has 7 SUVs, Acura only recently added their 3rd, the ADX, which from the looks of things, isn't selling at all.

Acura is down to 1 sedan, the Integra, whereas Lexus still has 3, though I think it's coming down to 2 starting next year as the LS is being discontinued.

Honda is even more rigid than Toyota when it comes to cost, assembly and tooling.
Any of their cars is generally constructed in a way that it could be made in any other plant without much adjustment.

This is how they ended up with:
1) No body on frame
2) No RWD
3) No EV

The upcoming hybrids and ER-EV is probably the biggest change they're making.
Knowing honda they're going to do it all at once across their lineup, along with new interior tech.

Looking back, that's always how they've been, their drivetrains are lego blocks, everything fits everywhere most of the time. Inb4 they release V6 ER-EV people start swapping them into regular Civics, or them just doing a SH Prelude with it.

Literally no one buys Integra, they're 2-3k below MRSP while Civic are generally selling with markup.

Toyota has a lot more resource and flexibility in their manufacturing.
They do RWD, BOF, all shapes and sizes right?

They also have more scale and flexibility in their contracts for parts - how many suppliers are making the GM/Honda dual axis strut?

How close does the Civic and Integra run in the states given the state of sales?

We need to keep in mind that Toyota is a lot bigger than Honda in terms of volume. Always has been. Honda tech has been a bit of an also-ran since SH-AWD. Nothing they've done so far has been ground breaking like the original CVCC, VTEC, or record breaking like double-wishbone shod economy cars. Their best cars were greater than the sum of it's parts, and that's where the current Civic and CRV hybrids shine.

So a Prius coupe. Isn't a phev Prius still cheaper?

I thought the phev Prius was pretty fast now a days. And you can drive in pure ev. Also they are in the same price bracket.

Going fast != good to drive, otherwise Teslas would be fucking amazing. I was driving on the other day again, it's quick in a straight line, but otherwise I don't like it.

[Traum]

^^ I doubt there's a huge demand for a $50000 hybrid coupe. Isn't sedans dead, let alone a none sporty 4 cylinder automatic coupe. I see this as a Mitsubishi eclipse or Altima coupe, cl coupe how well did those do?
I am not very good at gauging how much interest there would be for a $50k hybrid "automatic" coupe with only 200hp (but 240-ish lb/ft torque). But what I can say is, the Civic, in both normal and CTR form, drives really well, and there are some CTR bits in the Prelude.

Honda has always commanded a premium over other similar cars, and it certainly has its fan base. Whether all of these benefits are enough to propel the Prelude to sell well enough is not something I can tell.

In Japan, customer reception has far exceed Honda's expecations. But Japanese customers obviously have extremely different tastes and preferences compared to N.American customers, so the Japanese customer response is not a good indicator for the car's success in the N.American market.

[AstulzerRZD]

How close does the Civic and Integra run in the states given the state of sales?

They're fucked. Integras are cheaper than Civics to buy since they're discounted while the Ciivc is marked up.
1500 integras a month vs. 20k civics

[supafamous]

They're fucked. Integras are cheaper than Civics to buy since they're discounted while the Ciivc is marked up.
1500 integras a month vs. 20k civics

With the Civic getting the hybrid powertrain and the Integra not getting it there's really zero reason to buy the Integra over the Civic. It's not like the Integra is much more refined (there's maybe a bit more sound insulation?) or faster or roomier or better handling.

The Integra could/would make sense if the hybrid drivetrain was standard with an option for a 252hp 2.0T turbo in the A-Spec trim (basically what the Civic Si should be).

[bcrdukes]

Is the Integra still $90K before taxes?

[AstulzerRZD]

With the Civic getting the hybrid powertrain and the Integra not getting it there's really zero reason to buy the Integra over the Civic. It's not like the Integra is much more refined (there's maybe a bit more sound insulation?) or faster or roomier or better handling.

The Integra could/would make sense if the hybrid drivetrain was standard with an option for a 252hp 2.0T turbo in the A-Spec trim (basically what the Civic Si should be).

Yeah no one is buying 1.5T civics either, it’s all hybrid sales these days.
The image conscious will do a demo lease on a 330i cuz it’s so cheap here, so the Acura has no market.

I do think it looks a lot better than the Civic, which just makes you look like an uber driver or poor.

[EvoFire]

I actually really like how the beluga looks. I see just a regular touring on the street and it's a good looking car. Ditto those who add the big wang on.

The Integra is fine, if a bit too busy. I'd imagine the Civic aging a lot better in the long run in terms of looks. They need to put the ER EV drivetrain in the Integra too considering how it's even faster than the Si in a straight line. My take on the A spec would be different imo, hybrid drivetrain with Type S running gear. Oh I just described the Prelude :lawl:

[underscore]

This seems like a hard sell when the starting price is only $306 less than a GR Corolla. Or a Golf GTI is like 12k less.

[EvoSpider]

2026 Prius Plug-in Hybrid Se $43,056.50

2026 Prius Plug-in Hybrid XSE Premium $51,541.50

220 Horsepower & up to 72km EV range

Also isn't Toyota going more aggressive with the new Corolla thing they just revealed

That's with freight and PDI too. Prelude with freight and PDI is 52,987.50.

[Badhobz]

https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/2026-honda-prelude-canadian-pricing

Canadian pricing released 49,990. Not bad. Not great. Still terrible car.

[is350]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Honda/comments/1p3ll31/dead_on_arrival/

[roastpuff]

Fucking dealerships.

[bcrdukes]

Someone here has GOT to buy one with the ADM. (Looks at roastpuff) :troll:

[roastpuff]

No.

I hate ADM. I refuse.

[bcrdukes]

Why so miserable? :troll:

[Traum]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Honda/comments/1p3ll31/dead_on_arrival/
Which dealership is this? or where is this dealership? Is it in Canada? or the US? or somewhere else?

[roastpuff]

Which dealership is this? or where is this dealership? Is it in Canada? or the US? or somewhere else?

Judging from the final price this is a US dealership. $43k + 10k markup + a bunch of useless options = $61k.

[GS8]

The OP in the reddit thread said Kastner Honda in California

[is350]

In Canada, new car prices have gotten ridiculous the last few yrs since COVID, a 2025 honda civic lx (base model) has all the honda sensing features, steel wheels with hubcaps in 2025 l0l, cost $35k cash OTD. If one was to finance it, APR % is like 6 or 7%, so you will pay a couple grand interest if the loan is 4-6 years.

On the other hand, Toyota prices haven't gotten as out of hand as Honda's, but good luck getting a popular model from the car lot right away like honda's, waitlist is painfully long, and you will most likely bend over when the dealers tack on a bunch of useless add-ons to inflate the purchase price, so toyota ends up being about the same price as honda if not more. I seriously don't understand why Vancouverites/Canadians still continue to buy both of their products...

[JDMDreams]

^ new immigrants?

[Traum]

Back in 2016 when my dad bought a brand new 2016 (10th gen) Civic LX (with steel wheels and hubcaps), I think we paid ~$26k OTD with everything included.

Again, when you factor inflation into account, that $26k OTD becomes $33k+. Our car didn't have any of the Honda Sensing stuff, and it only had the K20C2 instead of the L15. When you compare it like that, today's $35k OTD price isn't too far off.

Naturally, the problem for me is -- my wage increase is nowhere close to the actual rate of inflation over the past 9 - 10 years.

I just happened to be playing around with the Honda Civic build & price configurator earlier today, because as I was saying, I am expecting we'll need to replace le wifey's 16 yrs old 1G RDX in a few years. As it turns out, a zero options Civic hatch sport hybrid that I thought we could get into turned out to be $44k OTD...

FML... FailFish

[BIC_BAWS]

Back in 2015, we purchased a brand new 2015 (9th gen) Civic Touring and it was 28 or 29K OTD. R18, has Honda Sensing blind spot camera, OEM Navi, leather seats, etc.

[EvoFire]

In 2019 we bought a X3 30i for 60k out the door with premium enhanced and leather (not vinyl)

The 2026 CRV Sport Hybrid is creeping up to that price without any niceties, and the touring is the same price.

[AstulzerRZD]

Back in 2015, we purchased a brand new 2015 (9th gen) Civic Touring and it was 28 or 29K OTD. R18, has Honda Sensing blind spot camera, OEM Navi, leather seats, etc.

Other than leather seats, IMO there's nothing a base Civic today doesn't do better than the 9G Touring and it's also 28-29k MRSP

[SSM_DC5]

... I seriously don't understand why Vancouverites/Canadians still continue to buy both of their products...

Because they're associated with being most reliable and retain their value. But the newer ones are having quite a few engine problems..... 1.5 turbo hondas have headgasket issues, Toyota having engine issues too. I don't buy cars often, but I still browse... I don't venture far out from Honda/toyota.

[JDMDreams]

^ but your avatar is sti, here gasket gasket gaskets, sprinkle in some bearings too.


But rates were also much cheaper back in the day? 4-5%?

[teggy604]

Back in 2016 when my dad bought a brand new 2016 (10th gen) Civic LX (with steel wheels and hubcaps), I think we paid ~$26k OTD with everything included.

Again, when you factor inflation into account, that $26k OTD becomes $33k+. Our car didn't have any of the Honda Sensing stuff, and it only had the K20C2 instead of the L15. When you compare it like that, today's $35k OTD price isn't too far off.

Naturally, the problem for me is -- my wage increase is nowhere close to the actual rate of inflation over the past 9 - 10 years.

I just happened to be playing around with the Honda Civic build & price configurator earlier today, because as I was saying, I am expecting we'll need to replace le wifey's 16 yrs old 1G RDX in a few years. As it turns out, a zero options Civic hatch sport hybrid that I thought we could get into turned out to be $44k OTD...

FML... FailFish



Also add repair bills in the future. Simple jobs like brakes is not so simple anymore. More and more electronic BS or you have to plug a computer to put it in service mode or MacGyver shit to bypass it.

Want to scan for trouble codes? well you gotta go back to dealer where they charge you $200 bucks to plug in a scanner.



New cars are more for the rich... as the middle class gets priced out and forced to take transit... lol.

[Traum]

Because they're associated with being most reliable and retain their value. But the newer ones are having quite a few engine problems..... 1.5 turbo hondas have headgasket issues, Toyota having engine issues too. I don't buy cars often, but I still browse... I don't venture far out from Honda/toyota.
At least the Civic hybrid (and by extension, almost certainly the Prelude as well) is using a K20C9 as the ICE portion of the car. K engines have long proven itself to be robust and reliable, and this C9 version seems to be an Atkinson cycle version of the (Otto cycle) K20C2, which in itself has been very reliable.

I should probably start dropping hints on le wifey to suggest trading in the RDX for some version of Civic hybrid. By the time she finally comes to terms with the need to part ways with the old RDX -- which will be measured in years -- we will probably have saved up enough money to make that down payment... FailFish

[68style]

I've only bought a brand new car twice in my life... b ack in 1999 when the new Celica came out and in 2024 when I got the GR Supra.

I would never do it again unless I was obscenely wealthy. Besides being a miserable fucking experience dealing with all the upcharging and the finance person sitting you down forcing you to say no to a million add-ons and the general dealer BS and service packages, you're vastly overpaying.

I'm just buying used every time. UNLESS I had fuck you money, then who cares, order it up and customize it and pay their fees and have a proxy deal with the paperwork and BS for you for all anyone cares.

Regular people shouldn't be wasting their $ though.

[Traum]

For us, we tend to keep our cars for quite a long time -- usually in the 10 - 12 years range, and her RDX is already a few years older than that lol~ -- so the premium over a used vehicle is easier to absorb and justify. Also, nowadays I feel like the late model used cars are not meaningfully cheaper than brand new vehicles. Maybe that is a relfection of the BS fees and dealer mark ups that have been slapped on to the new vehicle purchases.

[JDMDreams]

^ slightly used Teslas are cheap as fuck you can get 16 ish model s in the teens, newer model x in the $30s, also apparently brand new c8s are selling under MSRP in murica. :ahwow::considered:

[Traum]

^ slightly used Teslas are cheap as fuck you can get 16 ish model s in the teens, newer model x in the $30s, also apparently brand new c8s are selling under MSRP in murica. :ahwow::considered:
But then I'd be driving a Tesla~ :denied:

Ewww~

#ElbowsUp :fuckyea:

[JDMDreams]

Yea no thanks to Canadian made Honda. Just look at hobz Canadian rx, was his GTI Mexican? Or by drunk Germans. I want dem Japanese work ethic and precision.

[68style]

I got bad news for you son, almost their entire lineup is built in North America

[SSM_DC5]

^ but your avatar is sti, here gasket gasket gaskets, sprinkle in some bearings too.


But rates were also much cheaper back in the day? 4-5%?

Definitely ain't looking at anything newer than 20 years old from Subaru :awwyeah: and it's gotta have the sti badge.

[68style]

^ You can get one of those with a bad decision in downtown any night

[Badhobz]

Yea no thanks to Canadian made Honda. Just look at hobz Canadian rx, was his GTI Mexican? Or by drunk Germans. I want dem Japanese work ethic and precision.

Hitlerbox was made by depressed Germans in Wolfsburg. The quality was wayyy worse than the Mexican mk7. Not sure how dem Germans can screw it up this badly.

It makes my wife’s Canadian RX look like absolute perfection.

[JDMDreams]

So did you finally offload it to the other China guy. Scamming another tong zhi

[Manic!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcBebHNk8rk

[Badhobz]

So did you finally offload it to the other China guy. Scamming another tong zhi

yeah its been gone for weeks already. dont miss it at all.

[noclue]

I got bad news for you son, almost their entire lineup is built in North America

Wow, just noticed only the civic type-R and this prelude are the only models built in Japan... J Vins are a status symbol lol

[JDMDreams]

I can't believe prelude is $42000 vs type r is $45000 USD. Isn't the type r like $68000 here? And gr is $39000

[roastpuff]

I can't believe prelude is $42000 vs type r is $45000 USD. Isn't the type r like $68000 here? And gr is $39000

Type R is 68K because of stupid dealer markup. MSRP on Type R is 54K CAD.

GR Corolla is 50K CAD for Core... if you can find it. Though the hype is less vs Type R, easier to find GRC for sure.

[teggy604]

Who is buying this Honda Prius?

[whitev70r]

1st time that I saw one of these for sale ... 2026 Prelude

https://www.facebook.com/share/15aHZpSvgGf/

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[Badhobz]

Looks so frumpy and large. The only thing I like is the prelude script. Looks so classy and reminds me of my youth.

[bcrdukes]

You need this.

[68style]

What a stupid useless car… cancelled in 2 years cuz of poor sales and Honda execs saying see we told you coupes don’t sell anymore.

[supafamous]

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I got downvoted on Reddit for pointing out the similarities between the Prelude and the new Ferrari Amalfi:

- Look about the same
- Both borrow parts from its more expensive siblings
- Both are overpriced
- Both have useless rear seats

Seems like the same car to me.

[Badhobz]

Umm I’ll take the Ferrari thank you very much.

You also forgot to mention they both have four wheels and a steering wheel.

[68style]

I can’t say I agree.

That said, it’s brave to post anywhere public expecting people to discern you mean something being in the same spirit of, most of the morons out there can’t get past “this fuck says a Honda is the same as a Ferrari, burn him!” mentality.

[JDMDreams]

I just watched the redline reviews, the engine surprisingly sounds good, but yes the beak head thing is too long. Trunk too Infiniti j30 shitting dog ass without the optional spoiler. Interior looks pretty mid, manual seats for $50000 gt Honda? No cooling?! Back seat looks so shit without even cup holders or headrests, also back seat space is useless.

[Traum]

I got downvoted on Reddit for pointing out the similarities between the Prelude and the new Ferrari Amalfi:

- Look about the same
- Both borrow parts from its more expensive siblings
- Both are overpriced
- Both have useless rear seats

Seems like the same car to me.
The Amalfi has much better looking proportions than the Prelude though -- a longish hood and a much tidier rear.

The problem with the Prelude is -- the rear hatch starts sloping down too early, leaving too long a deck / area between the rear glass and the edge of the truck/hatch. They should have put a sizable wing in there to take up the real estate. A dinky lip spoiler or small wing is not gonna cut it.

I saw one dealer posting in FBM asking for $49,xxx for the car. Didn't look further into it, but that's below Honda's MSRP of $53k.