[smokedvw]

Hi,

I'm wondering if there are any specific FB groups to look for a Subaru BRZ or Toyota 86 within the lower mainland. I'm hoping to find one that has already been modified without having to do a lot of the work myself. I know there seems to be WAY less modified cars compared to the days I was into revscene or maybe at the time I was just way more into modified cars and saw more of them out on the road.

I have not been on this site in ages and thought the buy sell would be a good start but it seems to no longer active. Is this because almost all the cars are just listed directly on FB?

I know for boating people normally post up first on a boat site I belong to before putting it on FB/craiglist/auto trader etc.

Thanks for any help in advance ;)

[BIC_BAWS]

Facebook marketplace is usually the go to for good and bad. I miss Craigslist but it's pretty dead nowadays.

Autotrader for stock cars

Kijiji for outside of BC

UsedVictoria for Victoria

There's one other niche one but I don't remember what it is.

You do you. But a used modified BRZ/FRS sounds like a bad idea. Sounds like it's been beaten on since 2013. The technical writeups for aftermarket support should be quite vast for the 1st gen so I imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to find a stock well maintained one and build it right the first time around.

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[Razor Ramon HG]

I can't say I would recommend buying a pre-modified 86 due to the kind of people it generally attracts.

[JDMDreams]

Private modder

[donk.]

Dont listen to everyone saying its a bad idea, buy one then post pics :fuckyea:

[BIC_BAWS]

My first car was a 2002 BMW 330ci, 195K KM, modified. I spent the next 3 years reverting it to stock or better parts and doing preventative maintenance. I ending spending about 20K and finally restored it to where I wanted it to be (OEM MTech 2 bumper, RTD shifter, MeyleHD control arms and bushings, Bilstein B8 + H&R springs).

Rather than spending all that time undoing something, it's better to buy stock and replace worn parts with aftermarket parts that YOU want. Cuz who knows, maybe once you're done the build you get hit by a fucking jeep.

[dark0821]

^ dont stop the story half way bro....

After getting hit by a jeep, jump on the M3 platform of the same generation...

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something something happens to m3

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fk8 Type R

=D

[68style]

Speaking of jumps... FK8 :lawl:

[Badhobz]

Too soon. That’s mean.

[Traum]

Wouldn't this be the best place to look?

Vancouver area FT86 GR86 Buy/Sell group
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1577614289120171

And where is MB and DaJo when you need them?

[bcrdukes]

I heard MB is selling his :troll:

[RevYouUp]

Damn an account from Feb 2002. Welcome back!

[mb_]

I heard MB is selling his :troll:

Anything is for sale for the right price :troll:

[bcrdukes]

Dont listen to everyone saying its a bad idea, buy one then post pics :fuckyea:

I have to agree with donk.

Given the market for the GR86, BRZ, FR-S, GT-86, or whatever names come with this vehicle, they are demanding a premium and have proven their reliability and desirability.

Having said that, one argument I would counter is the notion of not buying a modded car. I agree that modifications can be subjective, but ultimately, it boils down to what was done, quality of parts, how it was done, and by who.

I would give consideration to an owner who has meticulous documentation and either does the work him/herself, or has a reputable shop to help with its credibility.

I've been searching for a 996/997, and came across a modified 996 that is both daily drive'able and a prepped tracked car that was taken care of by my local Porsche shop. I was really close to making an offer then the reality of insurance and being able to drive the thing regularly deterred me from doing so. :okay:

As they say, buy the seller. Not the car. (Sort of.) Happy searching!

P.S. - Can vouch for mb_. Super good guy.
P.P.S - I've been on the market for a good FRS/BRZ but of the ones I've looked at, they've been owned by buddy guy Harpals. :heckno:

[Gerbs]

What's the cost of dailying a 996/997?

I'd buy a clapped out FRS if it was $10-14K.

[bcrdukes]

Probably as much as the cars in your signature, but maybe a bit more?

Clapped out FRS for that price range is a bit out of touch. Maybe 5 years ago. Not anymore. I hope I am wrong.

[Gerbs]

The cars I own are cheap from my experience. if a 996/997 can be had for around $3-7K a year, I'd start to consider it :ahwow:

S2000
- Insurance - > $1,800/year full coverage. insured for 3 months.
- $0 Depreciation
- 12.9-14L/100KM - > $840/year in gas
- $140 in oil changes
- $1K for tires
- $400 for brakes and rotors
- $2K in fluid swaps, spark plugs, o2 sensors, cats, valve adjustments anything that needed replacement on regular maintenance over 6 year ownership
- $3K/year?


Velo N
- Insurance $2,200/yr
- Maybe $12K depreciation over 6 years?
- 10L/100KM - > $1,500/year
- $140 in oil changes
- Consumables are new + warranty
- $5,700 a year but I guess new tech and warranty has a price.

Probably as much as the cars in your signature, but maybe a bit more?

Clapped out FRS for that price range is a bit out of touch. Maybe 5 years ago. Not anymore. I hope I am wrong.

There was a manuel one posted on Sept 3, 2023, 2013 stock with 97k for $14K, thought that was a steal for the current market. But for the current prices, I'd wait for a rebuilt one for $10K if it's a beater

[bcrdukes]

I paid less on insurance on my 996 with all the bells and whistles. I think around $1500 a year.

$140/year in oil changes is possible if you do it yourself, and if you use discretion on which oil you use. If you use Motul or some oil from God, it will cost more. $400 for brakes - again, if you use your discretion. Tires for $1K - if you get some cheap tires, maybe. Everything else, maybe'ish?

Set aside a slush fund for anything catastrophic. Good luck :lol

If you are already used to paying this much for your current cars, 996/997 isn't so bad. might ruin your retirement plans but life is short and you only live once.

[Gerbs]

Ya, if you told me it was

- $400/yr for oil change
- $400/yr for fluids
- $1.5K for tires every 50,000KM
- $1K for brakes and rotors.

Plus car won't blow up on me, I'm in!

[AstulzerRZD]

Ya, if you told me it was

- $400/yr for oil change
- $400/yr for fluids
- $1.5K for tires every 50,000KM
- $1K for brakes and rotors.

Plus car won't blow up on me, I'm in!

At some point, the potential bore scoring (make sure to get it inspected!) is worth the 10k 996 or the 25k 997

https://carsandbids.com/search?q=997

[tegra7]

You missed out :lol
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1298229384008513/?mibextid=6ojiHh

[Gerbs]

At some point, the potential bore scoring (make sure to get it inspected!) is worth the 10k 996 or the 25k 997

https://carsandbids.com/search?q=997

I'm out!

[bcrdukes]

Ya, if you told me it was

- $400/yr for oil change
- $400/yr for fluids
- $1.5K for tires every 50,000KM
- $1K for brakes and rotors.

Plus car won't blow up on me, I'm in!

50K km for tires on a 911? :fuckthatshit:

Stick with a Civic, please.

[Gerbs]

Sir, can I counter that with 30,000KM?

[Traum]

I am more familiar with Caymans / Boxsters, but I think a lot of 911's can only get ~10 to 15k miles out of a set of rear tires. The fronts tend to last at least 2x as long, or they just get replaced before they're worn out.

Then again, there are also 911 owners complaining how they couldn't even get 10k miles out of a set of rear tires.

[donk.]

Then again, there are also 911 owners complaining how they couldn't even get 10k miles out of a set of rear tires.

Probably suckers that fold when someone tells em "yeah your tires need changing, they are at their half wear bar, do you want to proceed for 2000$ for the rears?"

[bcrdukes]

That's about right. Most 911s will get in and around that range for the rears, but that depends on how aggressively you drive, and your alignment setup. Throw in track days and an aggressive alignment, I'd imagine you'd get in and around 10K.

[EvoFire]

I think I got about 20000km on my set of tires on the M3. I'd say they would be fairly comparable.

[underscore]

I'd just be happy to get to drive a fun car enough to regularly need new tires in the first place lol.

[Gerbs]

Same, I think my winters + summer tires in 6-10 years before KM.

[EvoFire]

I'd just be happy to get to drive a fun car enough to regularly need new tires in the first place lol.

This really. I have a 5.5yr old M3 with 34k on it. Right when covid hit I drove it so little I thought about taking the insurance off.

[dorian]

i dont know if its just my luck but i had to deal with 2 brz/86 in the last few months and they both had oil pressure issues. One ended up needing an engine and the other one needed an oil pump.

[bcrdukes]

Any root cause as to why or what caused the oil pressure issues?

[dorian]

Any root cause as to why or what caused the oil pressure issues?

From what i gathered, the oil pan doesnt use a proper gasket, so the material used to hold it together finds its way to the pickup tube. Apparently its a common failure.

[JDMDreams]

Same Porsche Carrera gt v10, Porsche bore score + pdk experience for a faction of the price :troll:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/750447583252449/?mibextid=2JQ9oc

[trollface]

Any root cause as to why or what caused the oil pressure issues?

Too much RTV, breaks off and clogs the pickup. The also get low oil pressure if you take fast and long left handers.

[bcrdukes]

Does this problem exist for all model years? Or just the latest ones?

Do any solutions, be it factory or aftermarket, address or remedy this issue?

[68style]

It's the new ones, the 2.4 engine.

My friend has a BRZ from new right when it came out, he's done a few oil changes and there's always some RTV on the pickup.

I suppose one remedy would be to take the pan off and remove all the RTV and then re-do it all.

He's tracked his car a couple times too, only finding about the oil starvation problems (not related to RTV, there's also problems on cornering with oil sloshing away from the pickup) after the fact but he must be pretty lucky between the 2 problems to not have had an issue yet... he's scared to continue tracking it though, which is kinda lame cuz it's sort of the point of having it haha

[underscore]

I've heard of people pulling the pan off of brand new ones and redoing it. It should be easy enough to do on a car like that.

[EvoFire]

The insurance on the new 2.4 is to pull the pan, clean it, add baffles and then do your track days. It's a few hundred dollars to save yourself the potential headache of having to fight Subaru/Toyota about it down the road.

[bcrdukes]

I want the Trueno edition coming out and plan to track it should I be successful in getting one.
[Edit] I want to say I have little to no chance in getting one.

[yray]

y'all should just buy a old land rover

[68style]

I've heard the baffles didn't work? There's a YT channel where they did a lot of work with custom oil pans and their custom oil pan actually failed inside and blocked oil lol... solution killed the engine.

[bcrdukes]

Jesus Christ. Did Toyota/Subaru pay Porsche for consulting and build this engine for Subaru? :lol

[BIC_BAWS]

Jesus Christ. Did Toyota/Subaru pay Porsche for consulting and build this engine for Subaru? [emoji38]Toyota can make BMW reliable, but they can't make Subaru reliable lol

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[Badhobz]

It’s funny cuz Toyota is Subarus largest shareholder. Subaru is basically toyotabaru and can’t do anything with daddy Toyota giving them the green light.

[JDMDreams]

Y not Miata? The answer is always Miata

[bcrdukes]

Toyota can make BMW reliable, but they can't make Subaru reliable lol

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It’s funny cuz Toyota is Subarus largest shareholder. Subaru is basically toyotabaru and can’t do anything with daddy Toyota giving them the green light.

Or maybe Toyota doesn't want to.

Example: Put a CVT transmission on a WRX. y tho?!?!?! :okay:

[roastpuff]

Because Subaru doesn't have a DCT or auto, they don't have the engineering chops. Hence why the GR twins are using an aged Aisin 6-speed.

[AstulzerRZD]

Based on YouTube testing at A27, On the FA24 it's nothing an accusump ($500) can't fix. Can also overfill by a quart if your'e really concerned.

[68style]

Well... accusump is certainly a solution... but that's a shitty mod to have to do to a street/sometimes track day car... they're messy as heck to install and I definitely don't like the idea of having external heated oil stored outside the engine at any point in time.

It just simply shouldn't be that way... terrible design fault.

[underscore]

It just simply shouldn't be that way... terrible design fault.

Isn't that kinda par for the course with Subaru?

[bcrdukes]

My ricerboi dreams have been crushed.

[donk.]

(not related to RTV, there's also problems on cornering with oil sloshing away from the pickup) lhe's scared to continue tracking it though, which is kinda lame cuz it's sort of the point of having it haha

I wonder if more cars should be "overfilled" for track days to keep the feed happy.

When i found out the dipshits underfilled my car by 2.5L, someone at the track (Ridge) was telling that track has eaten a few C7s.
On a certain long corner, i forget if its left or right, but same thing. Starves, then blows the motor.
Furthermore i wonder if those C7s had dry sump or not, and if they followed the manual to overfill by 0.5L or not.

Im 50/50 with tracking a nice car.
One part me knows its the right thing to do.
The other half has seen people putting their cars into walls, blown engines, etc. And thats a painful day :/

Smokedvw, you buy a car yet? We want pics!

[jcmaz]

My ricerboi dreams have been crushed.

Don't think, just do. Let's be Trueno buddies. I put down a deposit for the Trueno Edition - red or white. Originally I wanted Neptune Blue but if the Trueno Edition is only 4k more, it's worth it for the limited edition factor (badging), red interior accents, Brembo front and rear brakes, and Sachs dampers. I want a new manual car that I can keep for a long time and the 86 checks a majority of the boxes.

I would most likely add wheels, exhaust, and some of the GR accessories from Japan.

[Badhobz]

is the trueno package just aesthetics? (reading fail, i see you said brembos and dampers)

why not the brz? i heard its easier to get and its the same car right?

[trollface]

Does this problem exist for all model years? Or just the latest ones?

Do any solutions, be it factory or aftermarket, address or remedy this issue?

It happens on the new models and some very early 2013 FRS that had the valve spring recall. When the techs did the rip-down, a bunch of them used too much RTV and nuked the motors.

I've had my late 2013 since new and put a hard 120,000km on it with sticky tires. I hoon it pretty good in the rain/snow/industrial parks.

Car has given me zero issues. My friend also got one the exact same time as me, no problems also.

Rmr, the ppl with no problems aren't going to write about it on the internet.

[68style]

Rain, snow and industrial park hooning are not sustained high lateral G forces... that's having TW200 tires and being right at the edge of traction over 1.0G for extended and repeated times

[trollface]

I'm driving it. So it's got a hella G in it all the time.

[68style]

It's sometimes hard to tell the difference between OG and 0G

my bad lol

[bcrdukes]

is the trueno package just aesthetics? (reading fail, i see you said brembos and dampers)

why not the brz? i heard its easier to get and its the same car right?

Same car but there are differences in the suspension tuning.

GR86 - more tailend happy and oh shit inducing moments if you are not careful
BTZ - suspension is tuned more for daily driving (this is over simplifying it)

Each company went their separate ways in tuning their respective vehicles. Of course, big daddy Toyota gets to do the cool stuff. Probably told Subaru to stuff it, but I'll let the experts chime in

Otherwise, they are mostly the same car in most regards, but those are the two biggest differences.

[jcmaz]

is the trueno package just aesthetics? (reading fail, i see you said brembos and dampers)

why not the brz? i heard its easier to get and its the same car right?


The GR86 front bumper and the Toyota colours (Track BRed, Neptune Blue, and Trueno Blue) are more appealing to me, otherwise I would have gotten the BRZ as it was cheaper by 2-3k.

New for 24 is Eyesight for the manual transmission twins.

[AstulzerRZD]

Each company went their separate ways in tuning their respective vehicles. Of course, big daddy Toyota gets to do the cool stuff. Probably told Subaru to stuff it, but I'll let the experts chime in

The new BRZ performance pack only gets the FSD shocks in the FRONT of the car. Some journalists said that the front absorbs the bumps well, then the back goes over it with the stock shocks and kinda squirms lol

[bcrdukes]

Wow, that sucks.

I have the Koni FSD setup on my Boxster and I really like it. But to have it up front and stock rears? Jeez, Subaru!

[AstulzerRZD]

Wow, that sucks.

I have the Koni FSD setup on my Boxster and I really like it. But to have it up front and stock rears? Jeez, Subaru!

It's always hard to tell whether this is cost cutting or if they genuinely hit the dynamics they were looking for without it.

IMO in the case of Mazda, their torsion beam suspension hit the dynamics/characteristics they were looking for in the 3/CX30/50.

In the case of the Subaru..... idk yo.

[bcrdukes]

I think for daily driving, it makes sense, but if you want true performance and to really wring it out, the GR86 is the better option. But like you said, idk yo.

[underscore]

My ricerboi dreams have been crushed.

Even if you do pop the motor at least people have found tons of swap options. There's like 3 or 4 that I'd love to toss into a cheap FR-S.

[bcrdukes]

Even if you do pop the motor at least people have found tons of swap options. There's like 3 or 4 that I'd love to toss into a cheap FR-S.

I've always thought about that - What happens when the motor goes on an FRS? Which engines would you throw into this chassis?

#Inb4someonesaysKswap

[68style]

I've always thought about that - What happens when the motor goes on an FRS? Which engines would you throw into this chassis?

#Inb4someonesaysKswap

K-Power makes a complete swap package for $10,500 USD... that does NOT include the engine by the way.

lol

[bcrdukes]

lol jesus

might as well buy another used FRS

[underscore]

I've always thought about that - What happens when the motor goes on an FRS? Which engines would you throw into this chassis?

#Inb4someonesaysKswap

At first I wanted to do a BEAMS 3SGE from an Altezza, but I'd love to own a V8 so then I thought maybe a 1UZ, but yesterday I saw a 13b swapped one which a) sounds amazing and b) seems less fiddly getting stuff like exhausts to clear since it's such a physically smaller engine than the others.

[EvoFire]

No to 3SGE, it's an iron block and it's heavy as hell.

Definitely SBC. I know played out, but easy 400hp.

Don't wake me up from my dream :lol

[68style]

BEAMS is only about 330lbs... iron block but aluminum head, most K series are about 300lbs

Can't argue with the power an LS puts out at 400ish lbs... but it's just... I don't know, spiritually it's just not the right engine for the car. Blindingly fast, but it just won't feel right.

[roastpuff]

https://youtu.be/obUnEqsTmLg?si=Tpodqn_Tq_0627MR

https://supercarblondie.com/wp-content/uploads/Ryan-Tuerck-Toyota-GT86-Ferrari-458-engine.jpg

What about a Ferrari V8? :pokerface:

[Badhobz]

Why ruin a Ferrari v8 in such a ho hum chassis

Better to shove it in a miata instead :troll:

[!Kodamu]

The new BRZ/gr86 has been fine for us with our oil baffles. And we are using 120tw tires as well. And if you are changing the suspension anyways. Gr86 and Br86 has barely any difference. The only difference is cosmetics and the gauge cluster the gr86 has the better one. Myself I would personally choose the GR86 just cause of the cluster.

[bcrdukes]

What aftermarket suspension are you guys (or general public) running?

[68style]

Huge power and huge torque on a short RWD wheelbase is super fun for hooning and giggles, but too snappy for much else.

[!Kodamu]

We are running Extend Coilover

[jaaagman]

As others have mentioned, I think its probably a better idea to buy a stock BRZ. These cars seem especially popular among the younger ricer crowd. Crappy mods that are revertible are one thing, but young people aren't known to drive their cars with a ton of care.

[mb_]

It happens on the new models and some very early 2013 FRS that had the valve spring recall. When the techs did the rip-down, a bunch of them used too much RTV and nuked the motors.

I've had my late 2013 since new and put a hard 120,000km on it with sticky tires. I hoon it pretty good in the rain/snow/industrial parks.

Car has given me zero issues. My friend also got one the exact same time as me, no problems also.

Rmr, the ppl with no problems aren't going to write about it on the internet.

TIL that trollface has an FRS

[AzNightmare]

TIL that trollface has an FRS

Wow! All perspective when someone says they don't have a nice car I guess.

:okay:

[underscore]

https://youtu.be/obUnEqsTmLg?si=Tpodqn_Tq_0627MR

https://supercarblondie.com/wp-content/uploads/Ryan-Tuerck-Toyota-GT86-Ferrari-458-engine.jpg

What about a Ferrari V8? :pokerface:

I'll raise you a Lambo V8 TT

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3007737192695998/

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