[Vancouver240sx]

If the McLarens are 1/2 after T1 I don't think their pitwall could fuck the win. The Hungaroring looks like a fantastic race to attend being in a bowl. I bet there are some really good spectator seats.

Rich

[sonick]

Great entertaining race particularly off the track with all the drama in McLaren and also Verstappen.

Looking forward to listening to the post race podcasts and articles about it all this week.

[Hondaracer]

Oscar!! Awesome race by McLaren

This is the first race I remember watching where Max actually made a huge mistake from
Being upset/angry, this second half of the season could get very interesting

[The Producer]

Oscar!! Awesome race by McLaren

This is the first race I remember watching where Max actually made a huge mistake from
Being upset/angry, this second half of the season could get very interesting

awesome result maybe but once again a terrible strategy by McLaren. Only thing they have going for them coming out of this situation is that both Lando and Oscar are pretty cool customers.

the F1TV broadcast was fantastic. DC had no problem discussing how it went down for him and Mika in a similar situation, and how in retrospect he absolutely would not let a teammate by for the win. I secretly hoped Oscar would let him by on the last corner to show the team they created the whole issues themselves.

Angry Max - I miss this guy. The fake nice guy routine lately was getting old.

[dark0821]

I dunno I can understand McLaren from both sides, but honestly Lando was pulling away from Piastri who had fresher tires will tell you all you needed to know.

And in the grand scheme of things, shouldn't McLaren give the W to Lando for maximum points to get closer to Verstappen?

I am happy for Piastri, but would you really want that as your first W in F1?

[sonick]

awesome result maybe but once again a terrible strategy by McLaren. Only thing they have going for them coming out of this situation is that both Lando and Oscar are pretty cool customers.

the F1TV broadcast was fantastic. DC had no problem discussing how it went down for him and Mika in a similar situation, and how in retrospect he absolutely would not let a teammate by for the win. I secretly hoped Oscar would let him by on the last corner to show the team they created the whole issues themselves.

Angry Max - I miss this guy. The fake nice guy routine lately was getting old.

I've recently switched from the international feed to the f1tv feed and I agree the commentary today was great.

Apparently the broadcasters on sky kept on harping about max staying up late doing sim racing last night as the reason of his mood for this race.

DC's insight was fantastic, was funny how clearly uncomfortable he was and the flashbacks he was having himself watching the whole McLaren debacle.

[HonestTea]

How often is DC on the f1tv stream? That might make me switch from the International feed.


OSCARRRRRRRRRRRR! Those radio messages were filled with so much drama wow.

[sonick]

Speaking of the feeds, did they put new cameras into the cars recently? The new gyrocam and the reverse cam we saw at some point have been really cool.

Gyrocam in particular really does well to show the speed and the agility of these cars.

[The Producer]

The angles were great. The chase cam of max chasing down Leclerc was awesome. I like how they’ve sacrificed some steadying for realism.

DC is on more than half the races. He generally gets replaced for the American events by James Hinchiffe - he’s good too


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[Hondaracer]

Yea so the TSN feed was definitely harping on max staying up late/waking up early to race in the sim races

[The Producer]

Yea so the TSN feed was definitely harping on max staying up late/waking up early to race in the sim races

that's sky coverage. with shitty commercials. I watched Silverstone up at the lake on TV last week because we've got no internet - it was painful. Commercials during the pit window! terrible.

F1 guys - do yourselves a favour and get F1TV. even if you watch the sky coverage (you can choose) no commericals. It's like 5 bucks a race.

[sonick]

that's sky coverage. with shitty commercials. I watched Silverstone up at the lake on TV last week because we've got no internet - it was painful. Commercials during the pit window! terrible.

F1 guys - do yourselves a favour and get F1TV. even if you watch the sky coverage (you can choose) no commericals. It's like 5 bucks a race.

You can also share the login and split the cost with a buddy or two

The time shift feature is a game changer. To be able to watch it from the beginning when the race is already in progress.

I've been cutting for the summer, and so my fav thing now is going to the gym Saturday and Sunday morning and hitting the elliptical doing LISS for an hour while watching quali or the race. Makes the time go by quickly and I look forward to it every race weekend.

[TypeRNammer]

Speaking of the feeds, did they put new cameras into the cars recently? The new gyrocam and the reverse cam we saw at some point have been really cool.

Gyrocam in particular really does well to show the speed and the agility of these cars.

The new cams have been a recent addition to the races.

Along with the cams, I believe the microphones in some of the cars have been repositioned? If you listen to the RB20 recently, it's giving me somewhat of the RB15 Brazilian Pole Lap vibes

that's sky coverage. with shitty commercials. I watched Silverstone up at the lake on TV last week because we've got no internet - it was painful. Commercials during the pit window! terrible.

F1 guys - do yourselves a favour and get F1TV. even if you watch the sky coverage (you can choose) no commericals. It's like 5 bucks a race.

If you guys use Google rewards, you can use those credits towards the F1TV subscription. I managed to subscribe to last year and this year's subscription without spending a dime out of my pocket.

But with the F1TV going up 20 bucks to $99, I'm not sure if my google rewards can cover the whole thing next year, but at least it can cover the majority of it.

[Koflach]

Rumors are going around that after Miami, Red Bull was told by the FIA that they needed to remove a/some illegal part(s) which would explain the massive drop off of Perez since then and the, not as dramatic, drop off of Max.

[HonestTea]

Did anyone try for '25 Montreal tickets today? Today was the public show and heard it was a huge shit show!

[TypeRNammer]

Ocon to Haas on a multi year deal

Oliver Bearman having Ocon as his team mate next year :heckno:

[sonick]

Had that same thought. Way to crush Bearman's development

But I hope Bearman embarrasses Ocon with his performance.

[supafamous]

Motherf***er - set the PVR to record the preshow instead of the race and missed what looked to have been a great race. George on a 1 stop to beat the field, Perez converting a 2nd to an 8th (this should cost him his job), Mercedes 1-2 (wow! how?!).

[Hondaracer]

George with the DQ, ouch

[dark0821]

FOOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK Feel so bad for Russel, I mean I get it, slippery slope 1.5KG under weight, where do you draw the line... buuuuuuuuuuttttt fuuuuuuuuuucccccccckkkkkkkk I am not the biggest Merc or Russel fan, but this sucks, and it is not even something technically the driver can control. Someone on his side of the garage fucked up and the driver is now paying for it....

Dammmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnn

On the other hand, as a Ferrari fanboy... congrats Leclerc on getting Bronze~~~ hehehehe

[HonestTea]

DAMN even though I wanted Hamilton to win, that fucking sucks for GR63

[supafamous]

That's awful for George - he's really showing that Mercedes will be in good hands when Lewis leaves. I think he's faster than Lando and smarter than LeClerc.

At same time can't feel too bad for Lewis getting the win - he did nearly everything right today.

[sonick]

Man this season has been an unexpected banger.

Sucks for George but Piastri has been very impressive. He's seemed to figured out the tire deg weakness.

[impactX]

FOOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK Feel so bad for Russel, I mean I get it, slippery slope 1.5KG under weight, where do you draw the line... buuuuuuuuuuttttt fuuuuuuuuuucccccccckkkkkkkk I am not the biggest Merc or Russel fan, but this sucks, and it is not even something technically the driver can control. Someone on his side of the garage fucked up and the driver is now paying for it....

Dammmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnn

On the other hand, as a Ferrari fanboy... congrats Leclerc on getting Bronze~~~ hehehehe

Kinda his own "fault" when he strategised this without taking into account that the tyres he used since lap 10 were constantly losing weight and this track does not allow any opportunity to pick up rubber pieces after the end of the race.

If he did any of the following, he would still be on the podium:
1) Lift and coast more instead of fighting with Hamilton in the last stint
2) Settle for 2nd early on (so his car would not likely have been scrutinized)
3) Go for a two-stop

Russell did none of these. Horner (of whom I am not a fan) said the strategist is to blame, and in this case, Russell is that strategist trying to push his luck.

Toto Wolff's facial expression at the end of the face kinda gave it away that a disqualification would be on the table.

[TypeRNammer]

Checo having a masterclass drive, starting 2nd and finishing 7th

Max having a decent recovery drive from 11th to 4th

Even though the redbull is not a rocket ship this time around, it shows that Max is extracting everything he could in the 3rd fastest car

I like the hail Mary one stop from George, just unfortunate he got DQ'd from being underweight

[sonick]

Toto Wolff's facial expression at the end of the face kinda gave it away that a disqualification would be on the table.

Not being facetious, but do you think Toto would have known disqualification was on the table when Russel crossed the line?

I'm curious if it's like that obvious an error that every strategist was aware of or if it was some random fluke and then they're just backtracking now.

[sonick]

Sainz to Williams!

https://x.com/Carlossainz55/status/1817933821876248944

Also Red Bull to discuss Checos future today https://speedcafe.com/horner-admits-perez-future-will-be-discussed-today/

And Ricciardo vs Lawson on Wednesday https://speedcafe.com/ricciardo-set-for-red-bull-shoot-out-against-lawson/

Summer break kicking off...

[sonick]

OFFICIAL: Red Bull giving up on constructor's championship this year

https://x.com/natesaundersf1/status/1817996612922142753

[Hondaracer]

While Oscar clearly has a great car, I think what he’s showing is what really differentiates young drivers like him VS Seargant etc.

If you can never figure out your own car, you’re likely not long for F1

[The Producer]

i think oscar is there on merit/talent

i think logan is there with quite a bit less of both those things but 'merica

not saying you don't have to be incredibly handy to get to this point, just that if those 2 kids switched cars it would be even more obvious that there is a talent gap

[Koflach]

At this stage, I think Oscar has passed Lando as the top driver at Mclaren.

[supafamous]

At this stage, I think Oscar has passed Lando as the top driver at Mclaren.

I'm not sure it's gotten THAT far yet but it sure seems like Oscar is a more complete driver than Lando. Lando is a bit like Charles - very fast (Charles is faster though) but lacks the brain that drivers like Lewis or Fernando have for managing a race. I know people give George shit sometimes but I think he's rounding into a really good driver - there's nothing he's seriously deficient in and being able to go toe to toe with Lewis is no small thing. He's got the speed and the smarts.

Outside of Max and Lewis I'd pin my highest hopes on George, Charles, and Oscar as true championship contenders (now or in the future).

[TypeRNammer]

OFFICIAL: Red Bull giving up on constructor's championship this year

https://x.com/natesaundersf1/status/1817996612922142753

Officially official now as per Formula 1 website

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/red-bull-make-decision-on-perezs-future-and-rb-driver-line-up.4JCnSyQOs1eiJk4q3kUbP2

[Vancouver240sx]

But hey... remember

https://beyondtheflag.com/2019/08/05/formula-1-red-bull-racing-will-not-replace-pierre-gasly-2019/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR2DxK7L16bOwxWa6yoE-KoAZuTELZzmi1xzgS6Y27BYTiztkO4vDEWhuT0_aem__yqpRsX v5M0S6qfNohM_gA

https://www.racefans.net/2020/10/25/red-bull-wont-replace-albon-before-end-of-season/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR0Sqa595usANXNyB6AnjvhX ipnthwzNWYDg2QVACcnBxglIoRWjTXpaZVc_aem_NJspu20oRZ bs3bcPDtDSxQ

Shout out to Nick for finding these. With redbull, anything is possible.

Rich

[sonick]

Jack Doohan in the second alpine seat next year!

Good for him always liked him in F1TV

[HonestTea]

Rather have Mick in the Alpine

[TypeRNammer]

Holy shit, Lando absolutely destroyed Max in qualifying.

[Hondaracer]

Boringgggg

[The Producer]

could barely get through the 30 minute replay :(

[Hondaracer]

Love that the first thing that Max said to Lando in the cool down room though was “bit of tire spin there?” Or somthing along those lines regarding the start lol

[mb_]

I fell asleep like 3 times during the race

[sonick]

Ignoring the boring race, fuckin Grosejans clowning today in IndyCar lol

https://x.com/IndyCar/status/1827808529501376622

[sonick]

Rather have Mick in the Alpine

Rumours that Williams might replace Sargeant before the end of this season because of the cost of the damage his crashes are causing, possibly with Mick.

Which is dumb coz that's the reason why Haas let Mick go.

I hope they get Lawson or Kimi into that seat, both of whom are also rumoured to replace Sargeant.

[EvoFire]

^ Sargeant dropped in favour of Franco Colapinto today. I'm not sure what they want to achieve with this because there's no spot for Colapinto next year. It's unlikely Colapinto will perform better than Sargeant. I would have given the seat to Kimi Antonelli but it seems like Mercedes isn't letting him go.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/breaking-f2-racer-colapinto-replaces-sargeant-at-williams-for-rest-of-2024.2CghqWgB0vxJoZK8wWoMPj

[sonick]

^ Sargeant dropped in favour of Franco Colapinto today. I'm not sure what they want to achieve with this because there's no spot for Colapinto next year. It's unlikely Colapinto will perform better than Sargeant. I would have given the seat to Kimi Antonelli but it seems like Mercedes isn't letting him go.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/breaking-f2-racer-colapinto-replaces-sargeant-at-williams-for-rest-of-2024.2CghqWgB0vxJoZK8wWoMPj

Just saw this now. I think as long as Colapinto doesn't risk binning it every other weekend he will be a better choice financially for Williams.

I just cant believe they couldn't find ANYBODY that is more qualified than an unproven rookie.

[EvoFire]

There was some analysis on this.

Mercedes won't release Antonelli because they want him to finish his F2 season - the reasoning is weak as Antonelli's team is quite weak this year.

RB won't release Lawson because there's a pretty good chance there will be a shuffle before the end of the season.

Doohan is signed for Alpine next year. Theoretically they should want as much seat time as possible, but I'm guessing Alpine or Williams just didn't want to?

I'm guessing it's the same with Bearman as he's signed for Haas next year.

[blkgsr]

ya who the hell is this guy?

team principals keeping their drivers close for some reason...

[The Producer]

it's a promotion from within - the other drivers mentioned above have not come through the Williams academy (Colapinto has, as was Latifi and Sargeant)

This is a good short term PR move for a team that already has it's driver lineup figured for next year.

[Hondaracer]

At this point might as well swap Lawson in for Either Yuki or Danny really lol

[HonestTea]

Who the FUCK is Colapinto.. He must have some pretty generous backing coming with him.

[Koflach]

Who the FUCK is Colapinto.. He must have some pretty generous backing coming with him.

He's Carlos' seat warmer.

[Hondaracer]

Very impressive again my McLaren

Their car is looking incredibly planted on those high speed corners

[sonick]

Drivers championship ON!

[EvoFire]

Russell's race craft really isn't that great.

And damn RB, Perez couldn't even get ahead of Russell even with the torrid start that Russell had.

Leclerc had an amazing race stretching his hards 38 laps.

[Hondaracer]

Ferrari with their upgrades scrap back into the fight?

Fairly interesting race given the strategies etc. albeit uneventful otherwise

[sonick]

McLaren strategy a gong show again. Papaya rules wtf is that.

[MarkyMark]

Man wtf happened to RB they went from 30 seconds ahead of the pack to 30 seconds behind in a couple of months.

[EvoFire]

McLaren strategy a gong show again. Papaya rules wtf is that.

Their woes with the weekend would have started with setup for qualifying.

Ferrari (maybe I would be giving them too much credit) didn't set up their car to be the fastest but rather to be more gentle on their tires.

McLaren setup for faster one lap pace, and I'd say same for everyone, and their had to do a two stop and Ferrari both made it out with one stop. Obviously though, Leclerc made a huge difference to be able to last 38 laps on his hards and while still going at a decent pace.

[The Producer]

not switching the mclarens at the end makes no sense. and I'm a Piastri fan

[sonick]

The Piastri pass on lap 1 was epic though.

Piastri looking like he could be WDC before Lando. Such a cool demeanor, but races hard and isn't afraid to be aggressive.

Lando is too emotional and hard on himself when things go wrong.

[The Producer]

The Piastri pass on lap 1 was epic though.

Piastri looking like he could be WDC before Lando. Such a cool demeanor, but races hard and isn't afraid to be aggressive.

Lando is too emotional and hard on himself when things go wrong.

i totally agree - and racing based only on how the points shake out is boring

but anybody beating max would be so satisfying. Oscar's just too far away to catch up. TBH i think Lando is too far out of it also.

[TypeRNammer]

Man wtf happened to RB they went from 30 seconds ahead of the pack to 30 seconds behind in a couple of months.

Supposedly Red Bull is getting close to the cost cap, therefore isn't really able to develop the car any further.

If you look at their rear wing setup, it was really ghetto. It looked like a medium downforce wing with two half circles cut out of them

[Hondaracer]

Yea their wing looked bizarre

I thought it was broken near the end of the race when you got more clear shots of it, especially when you could see both the Ferraris wing and Max’s in the same shot looked totally weird

[TypeRNammer]

Pretty wild to see Ferrari going from clown act strategy to doing a masterclass one stop strategy, one hell of a gamble that paid off.

[sonick]

Unconfirmed rumours of Newey to Aston Martin to be announced at Azerbaijan GP

[Vancouver240sx]

Piastri looking like he could be WDC before Lando.

Lando COULD be WDC this year, but he's going to need help FROM Piastri and the team.

Rich

[The Producer]

Buxton meltdown! saying the quiet parts out loud re Mclaren

https://www.instagram.com/p/C_Z4jryIN_u/

[EvoFire]

Everyone is flummoxed over the situation with McLaren, between their strategy miscues and refusing to team order, what could be a WDC for Norris is probably gonna end up having him LOSE it over something dumb like 5 points, which is what he's given up from this race, and the Hungarian GP

[Great68]

I feel like a more experienced team such as Red Bull or Mercedes would have told their drivers in no uncertain terms that they are to hold their 1,2 positions until reasonably ahead of the field and then they'd be free to race.

[The Producer]

on the contrary - neither of those teams would allow their drivers to race at all if it compromised a drivers or constructors championship. no chance.

that's what's so surprising here.

[Koflach]

Unconfirmed rumours of Newey to Aston Martin to be announced at Azerbaijan GP

i'm not sure if Newey has enough juice left in the tank to turn around AM. Money won't be an issue there but dang, it's gotta be a tough place to work with Stroll being in charge and the window licker driving the car.

[EvoFire]

Stroll isn't actually that bad. He's solidly midfield and he was decent when he was driving the pink Mercedes.

[sonick]

Stroll isn't actually that bad. He's solidly midfield and he was decent when he was driving the pink Mercedes.

I'd say he's bottom of midfield drivers, but above the GOATS (Latifi, Mazepin, Sargeant).

Performance is ok but his recklessness on track with other drivers (e.g. cutting across and crashing into Fernando, totally rear-ending Ricciardo, etc.) and the attitude afterwards just makes him so unlikeable.

[TypeRNammer]

Adrian confirmed to Aston Martin as a share holder and managing technical partner

[supafamous]

Stroll isn't actually that bad. He's solidly midfield and he was decent when he was driving the pink Mercedes.

Stroll doesn't feel that bad in the abstract but as soon as you start stack ranking them it's hard to find someone worse in the current field.

Clearly better: Ham, Max, LeClerc, Sainz, Russell, Piastri, Norris, Albon, Alonso
Better: Gasly, Ocon, Hulk, Yuki, Danny, Botta (?)
Bout the Same: Perez
Worse: Zhou, Magnussen
Don't know: Colapinto

If you're a team principal which of these drivers would you NOT hire ahead of Stroll?

[Hondaracer]

The car means so much but is Yuki really better than Stroll? I dunno

[supafamous]

The car means so much but is Yuki really better than Stroll? I dunno

Yuki's been no worse than Riccardo this season (probably a bit better) - Yuki has more points and has less up and downs. If you think Yuki is no better than Stroll then I'd say that you'd have to also say Danny is no better than Stroll. And even if you think both are the same that still puts Stroll in the bottom 5 of drivers.

[Hondaracer]

At this point in Danny’s career I’d say they are pretty close

[EvoFire]

Mostly agree except I'd put Stroll together with the "better group". Though I'd say in that group Danny, Hulk, Bottas are at the tail end of their career. They reason why they aren't in the top group is because they each have some kind of blind spot in their abilities.

I don't think there are really any bad drivers on the grid, outside of the top drivers you can swap most of them around and performance given is car based. Yuki took 2 years to settle down but he's a perfectly serviceable driver now in any team.

My rating of the worst driver on the grid now is probably Kmag.
With Zhou I feel like he really hasn't been given a chance. When the Alfa Sauber was good, he was too green. He's gotten better imo but the Sauber cars have dropped off significantly.

The not great drivers like Latifi, Kyvat are out, and the truly bad like Mazespin will never race again.

[Hondaracer]

Mick will also likely never get another shot either.

Will he interesting to see how AM proceeds now that they have Newey, if you have a top car, eventually you’ll have to give up on Lance

[supafamous]

My rating of the worst driver on the grid now is probably Kmag.

https://media.tenor.com/woNYwQ819VQAAAAe/suck-my.png

[The Producer]

Mick will also likely never get another shot either.

Will he interesting to see how AM proceeds now that they have Newey, if you have a top car, eventually you’ll have to give up on Lance

every single thing Lawrence has done has been to get his son to the top. It's not about winning F1 - it's about Lance winning F1.

he's not giving up on Lance. If Lance bails - which I could certainly see happening, than that's different. I'd bet they bail out completely.

Lance is interesting. Manufactured talent? - sure. Educated? absolutely. Everything has been done to make an everyman a competitive F1 driver.

Super interesting really. Can you get to the very top of a sport through hard work and unlimited opportunity, or is there an intangible instinct that can not be taught (or bought). He's never had to fight for a spot, never really had to risk it all. Is that part of getting there also?

[Hondaracer]

Wasn’t he like multiple winning F3 and F2?

With an argument like that I always think back to those videos of Richard Hammond trying to drive one of the Rennault F1 cars. He was given ample time on the track with it and still barely got the hang of it by the end of the day. And he’s about As close to a “professional” driver as you’ll find

Not to say over years of training you couldn’t get the braking down etc. but to think Lawrence simply bought Lance’s way into F1 is a bit disingenuous imo. And I’m not a lance fan

[The Producer]

yes. his dad owned those teams too but yes. there's absolutely no way you can get anywhere near an F1 car without decades of training. Lance is one of the best drivers in the world. Let's make up numbers - top 1000 in the world? top 500 maybe?

your richard hammond anaology doesn't really work. he hasn't been constantly instructed by the best people in the industry that money can buy since he was 10 years old.

my point is - Lance has not shown that he has the innate instinctive talent to be the best driver in the world.

Richard Hammond is not close to being a professional driver IMO

[sonick]

every single thing Lawrence has done has been to get his son to the top. It's not about winning F1 - it's about Lance winning F1.

I am not 100% convinced of this. From everything I've heard the guy is a ruthless businessman. If there is potential for ROI in the company, even if Lance bails I think he sticks with it.

F1 team valuations are only going up, I don't think the businessman in Lawrence would give up on those returns and even just the cachet of being an F1 team owner.

[Hondaracer]

If it’s just about ego dick wagging, owning the F1 team is wayyyy bigger than owning AM imo

[supafamous]

yes. his dad owned those teams too but yes. there's absolutely no way you can get anywhere near an F1 car without decades of training. Lance is one of the best drivers in the world. Let's make up numbers - top 1000 in the world? top 500 maybe?

Anyone who gets to drive an F1 car at an F1 event is a pretty serious, immensely talented driver so while Lance might be bottom 5 of active F1 drivers he's still probably a top 100 driver in the world (15 from F1, 15-25 from Indycar, 20-30 from Sports cars, 30 from NASCAR, etc)

It's like the story of NBA bench warmer, Brian Scalabrine, who did the "Scallenge" where he played former college players and other rec leaguers and destroyed them (https://www.basketballnetwork.net/old-school/when-brian-scalabrine-destroyed-amateurs-in-the-scallenge). Brian was a bum in the NBA like Stroll but he was no bum when it came to basketball in general.

For the record, Stroll did not have "decades" of training for F1 - he only had raced karts/cars for 9 years before hitting F1 but point taken. It takes years of development (and success) to even be in the convo for F1.

Stroll, Latifi, and Sargent have nothing to be ashamed of if they can't cut it in F1. If they wanted to they can still make millions racing in Indycar or in Sportscars and they'd probably win tonnes of races.

[The Producer]

you're right - you forget how young these guys are. it's been a long time that the Strolls have been dedicated to getting Lance to the top - but not decades. None of the current drivers spent decades getting there.

As I said - Lance is one of the best drivers in the world - he was given the tools and means to become that. But he hasn't shown that he can get over the hump. My query was that is it enough to just receive the tools, and opportunity or do you have to have some unquantifiable extra to get to the top. I think you do.

[Teriyaki]

Agreed, its really that last 5% that puts you over the top. Some drivers just have it, and some just don't.

It'll be really interesting though to see if money and happenstance can compensate for that final 5%. We're really watching history unfold with this Aston Martin Project.

[dark0821]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvkzUzpWuo4

[Great68]

Since this thread is talking about Lance's talent (or lack thereof), this video is pertinent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2Ic0H6XMBo

[Hondaracer]

Huge results for Colapinto also great to see Oscar near the top again

I don’t really get what happened with Lando? The YouTube highlights didn’t really show much and it looked like he was stil on the hot lap when he pitted? Was it because he exceeded track limits on that corner?

[HonestTea]

He had to lift due to the yellow in S3

[sonick]

Lol Williams was too excited about getting 2 cars in Q3 they forgot how to function and left the fan on Albon's airbox

[sonick]

Huge results for Colapinto also great to see Oscar near the top again

I don’t really get what happened with Lando? The YouTube highlights didn’t really show much and it looked like he was stil on the hot lap when he pitted? Was it because he exceeded track limits on that corner?

Here's the onboard, I didn't see the yellow either on the original broadcast

https://x.com/BloopGG/status/1834937391158542612

[Hondaracer]

Yea the YouTube highlights were like Lando caused it that’s why he went off but it was just going over that curb they showed so figured that couldn’t have been it

[Hondaracer]

Oscar! What a drive!

Might have been the best race of the season so far

[Oshiguru]

Oscar! What a drive!

Might have been the best race of the season so far

It was a great race! I'm glad I woke up at 4am for it.

Then I was upset at the penultimate lap as a Sainz fan who forever lives in Spain minus the S

[EvoFire]

It seems like it's always Perez who gets in these type of crashes. He squeezes at the wrong places which ends up taking both cars out.

[sonick]

Piastri hilarious in the cool down room

https://dubz.co/c/17cd4e


"they've not been the best friends this weekend. They finally finished the job"

[sonick]

It seems like it's always Perez who gets in these type of crashes. He squeezes at the wrong places which ends up taking both cars out.

Monaco

[Hondaracer]

Yea people on IG calling him the new Kimi lol

[supafamous]

Can I just say how incredible it is that teenagers like Ollie Bearman (19) can step into a Formula 1 car and drive it like it's a totally normal thing for a teenager to do? Next year it's Antonelli too at just 18. And then they get out of the car and talk to the media like they've been doing it for a decade (except for Stroll who is a butthead).

At 18 you didn't want me in anything with more than 150hp.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/every-teenager-to-have-started-an-f1-grand-prix-/10587873/

Edit: Bearman was 2 years old when Lewis Hamilton started his F1 career and now he's racing him. Antonelli was literally a baby (7 months old) when Lewis started in F1.

[Hondaracer]

I agree

One of the most impressive parts I find too is doing Pit stops when you’re not used to it (does any lower level do stops?) lol must be hella nerve racking

[dark0821]

That double slide coming out of turn 16 did it for me... man this was a good race.

https://dubz.link/c/85fd90

I am a huge Ferrari Leclerc fan, but Piastri deserved it, what a drive! This to me will forever be his "true" 1st victory in F1...

[sonick]

Sounds like Danny Ric is out next year, Lawson in VCARB 2025

[blkgsr]

oh finally he's getting the seat.

where did you see that?

[sonick]

F1 twitter/Reddit.

Marko saying the second VCARB seat would be announced at/before Singapore and it's trickling out that Ric is on the outs.

[blkgsr]

uh may happen for/after Singapore


also sounds like Lawson has to race 5 times "this year" or he can back out of his contract.

not sure if that means 2024 calendar year or this season

[sonick]

uh may happen for/after Singapore


also sounds like Lawson has to race 5 times "this year" or he can back out of his contract.

not sure if that means 2024 calendar year or this season

That will spice things up the rest of the season, another storyline to watch.

[headhunt3r]

I'm glad the wing change didn't make much of a difference for Mclaren at least in qualifying.

[sonick]

Whole cool down lap and post race interview with Danny Ric was so sad

[mb_]

There's no arguing that he's past his prime and that they need to bring Lawson in if VCARB wanna challenge the midfield pack but he's one of my favorite drivers and I will miss him dearly from the grid. Just great all around likable guy.

[Teriyaki]

Whole cool down lap and post race interview with Danny Ric was so sad

Hate how they're choosing to just, NOT announce it. Announce it so everyone can just properly acknowledge and give a proper-send off.

Hell, monetize it. Print last edition DR3 swag. Special edition t-shirts. Do a mini-documentary, interviews, ANYTHING but how this whole travesty is being played out.

[bcrdukes]

Hopefully he'll get swooped up as a factory driver for WEC.

[The Producer]

Hate how they're choosing to just, NOT announce it. Announce it so everyone can just properly acknowledge and give a proper-send off.

Hell, monetize it. Print last edition DR3 swag. Special edition t-shirts. Do a mini-documentary, interviews, ANYTHING but how this whole travesty is being played out.

some kind of driver contract games going on IMO

would be pretty funny if RB and McLaren were paying DR not to drive.

[sonick]

Official:

https://x.com/F1/status/1839334230054314260

[HonestTea]

Fuck RBR, can't believe they didn't have a proper send off with DR.

[supafamous]

Fuck RBR, can't believe they didn't have a proper send off with DR.

Typical Red Bull though, they treat their drivers like shit unless their name is Max. All a bunch of arrogant, unlikeable pricks with Marko being the worst of the bunch.

[EvoFire]

Yes they are assholes, but on the flip side, it's a business, and they are in the business of winning. They'll do what they'll need to do to ensure pieces are in place.

I like DR, but he's only treading water with Yuki imo and hasn't had any standout performances. His on track performance has been very tentative, lacking the edge that made him a star before.

I'm surprised that they ended up keeping Perez so I guess the whole financial value thing stands as DR doesn't have that niche draw or backing money. Now that RB main team has found their issues to lineup with what Perez had been complaining about, or so they say, Perez is probably here to stay through 2025.

[Great68]

I wonder what Ford is thinking right now, watching all of Red Bull's top talent running like rats from a sinking ship just before their supposed to start their partnership together...

[EvoFire]

Ford is only responsible for the electric portion of it? Redbull is doing the ICE portion? Or was it the other way around?

[The Producer]

pretty good weekend - action, bit of drama. Great for the Tifosi

Colapinto was great. Lawson was great. Yuki imploding is entertaining.

Off to Mexico for fervent support of Checo's mediocrity

[headhunt3r]

Maybe I'm just a noob, but I can't tell what's forcing off the track and what's overtaking off track anymore. George did the same thing as Max and got a penalty but Max doesn't.

[supafamous]

Maybe I'm just a noob, but I can't tell what's forcing off the track and what's overtaking off track anymore. George did the same thing as Max and got a penalty but Max doesn't.

Max has immunity from penalties for that kind of behaviour.

[HonestTea]

Lando should've just crashed into Max, at least the point gap stays the same.

[TypeRNammer]

A lot of highlights from the race.

Charles taking the lead at the start
Lewis with a rare mistake and beaching his car
George with the pit lane start and finishing 6th to beat Checo
Hulkenberg finishing in the points
Liam Lawson with a 60 place grid penalty and finishing 9th

EDIT

I forgot to mention, George got a 5 second penalty and still manage to beat Checo

[The Producer]

good race for most of it. there was about 20 laps where i was yawning in the middle.

it was interesting to see how the penalties were divied out. 20 seconds seems like an eternity - but the driver that got fucked really didn't get that much of an advantage out of it.

when i used to watch indycar - they had stop and go penalties. it almost seems like in this case - a stop and go penalty against Max would have been a better solution. get him out of the way of lando right away, only lose ~10-12 seconds instead of 20. more "fair" to both of them

EDIT wiki says there hasn't been a stop and go penalty in F1 since 2020. maybe it's time to bring it back

[Hondaracer]

Max has some balls basically willing to get in a crash over giving up the position lol.. both those instances where he was penalized it could have easily resulted in contact

Checo is trash as I’ve said before lol.. look at who was ahead of you and you still couldn’t make any progress?

[roastpuff]

In Max's opinion a crash is even better - no net movement in points if they both DNF. Heck, he might have even preferred it lol.

[HonestTea]

That's how Max races, is anyone surprised? This is what happens when you elected not to punish him in 2021 vs. Lewis cause it effected the WDC.

[Spoon]

The Piastri + Max collision needs to happen soon. What happened to returning the favour after Hungary?

[Hondaracer]

That's how Max races, is anyone surprised? This is what happens when you elected not to punish him in 2021 vs. Lewis cause it effected the WDC.

He definitely seems like he’s been pushing the limit in terms of what he can get away with lately since the RB has been outclassed. It definitely felt like with the 2 penalties simultaneously they felt like they had to send a message to him

[supafamous]

good race for most of it. there was about 20 laps where i was yawning in the middle.

it was interesting to see how the penalties were divied out. 20 seconds seems like an eternity - but the driver that got fucked really didn't get that much of an advantage out of it.

when i used to watch indycar - they had stop and go penalties. it almost seems like in this case - a stop and go penalty against Max would have been a better solution. get him out of the way of lando right away, only lose ~10-12 seconds instead of 20. more "fair" to both of them

EDIT wiki says there hasn't been a stop and go penalty in F1 since 2020. maybe it's time to bring it back

Or make him return the position as Lando's race was affected to the point where maybe he could have won (doubt it though - Sainz was hooked up all weekend).

It's too bad this track was changed so much to make it suitable for F1 - when Indycar went there the old esses were still in place and it was such a challenge to get through there clean. Now there's no character to the track.

[The Producer]

Or make him return the position as Lando's race was affected to the point where maybe he could have won (doubt it though - Sainz was hooked up all weekend).


not enough of a penalty IMO

stop and go would immediately return the place (unlike this race where Max was clearly dogging it to hold Lando back for as long as possible)

Max is going to exploit every rule. I don't like him for it, and it's not sportsmanlike (see 10 laps of Hamilton chasing George for much cleaner sportsmanlike racing) I don't blame him though. He can just shrug and point at the rule book.

F1 has a rule problem here, they need to close it up. Or bring back some potent gravel traps...

[TypeRNammer]

You guys need to watch qualifying, it is absolutely nuts.

[Hondaracer]

Every race should be like this lol.. Stroll what a clown, just careless.

Big fuckup by McLaren when they had a chance to make headway in the drivers.

Entertaining weekend for sure lol

[snowball]

So you're saying Ecclestone wasn't wrong about sprinklers all over the tracks? :accepted:

[sonick]

You guys need to watch qualifying, it is absolutely nuts.

The whole Sunday was nuts. Exhausting just watching the race lol

Every lap watching drivers barely hanging onto the grip

Not the biggest Verstappen fan but this was a legendary career defining drive from him I can't help but cheer for such a great drive from him.

Edit: also LOL lance stroll going off and then immediately driving into the gravel trap and getting beached on the formation lap.

[dark0821]

not a Verstappen fan, but honestly deserves what will be his 4th world driver champion! I agree with above, what a drive!!!

Fucking Ferrari... fook.... still a chance for constructors... but that door is closing fast~~

[HonestTea]

SUPER SUNDAY! Qualifying and Race was insane on the same day!

Brazil never disappoints.

[The Producer]

the first corner camera angle in Brazil has to be the best camera angle for the whole season

i can't find a clip, but you know the one.

simply no question that Max is the best driver of this most modern era of F1. He makes other guys look like they're standing still - and the performance delta between him and Checo just blows me away every time.

Kudos to him - I see glimpses of the human being once in awhile and hope one day he chills the robot mode a bit.

Fucking Lance man.

https://www.tiktok.com/@verydirtyair/video/7432323533772000545

[Dbone]

I thought the way they started the VC just after Russel and Norris passed the pit, and then ended it just as they pulled off into the pit was absolute bull shit.

Then the full SC came out at a very nice time for Verstappen.

Verstappen drove a good race, but wow.. he sure did get some help from the race coordinator. Maybe my tinfoil hat is a bit tight today, but the VC easily could have stayed on for one full lap to at least make things even.

[Hondaracer]

Rumours that the Cadillac/Andretti team will be allowed to enter F1 in 2026

Good thing all around imo, especially given the expansion into the US with the additional races we’ve seen this generation

[Great68]

but the VC easily could have stayed on for one full lap to at least make things even.

Disagree.

The VSC or regular safety car should only be used as long as necessary for the track to get back to safe racing conditions. The race shouldn't be held back from full racing conditions to "even it out" for the drivers.

[dark0821]

watch max actually do well in quali... they just want everyone to think they got the wrong setup/wing to juke the other teams lolol

[Hondaracer]

Very impressive quali from George

[sonick]

Also Gasly P3 in an Alpine wtfffff

[mb_]

All of a sudden, Alpine has been relevant in the last couple of races :lol

[dark0821]

Max should cruise to victory this weekend.

Hoping Ferrari can capitalize and get some points off McLaren for the manufacture~

[HonestTea]

THE GASMAN! Pretty crazy he jumped up to P2 at the end and dropped to P3.

[Hondaracer]

Yea I was hoping he’d end up on the front row because it would likely cause chaos at the top lol

[dark0821]

YYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSS

Give credit where its due, big congratz to Verstappen!!! He actually earned it this year.

And being a Ferrari fanboy... good to bring home 3rd and 4th... 2 races to go! They can do it..

[pastarocket]

Great race from George. Russell and Hamilton finish first and second for Mercedes.


Another world championship for Verstappen.


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[Hondaracer]

That track, if nothing more provides some great racing

[HonestTea]

I'm glad GR63 was able to bring it home! I can't wait to see how next years championship battle will heat up.

[SkinnyPupp]

GM/Cadillac to join the field in 2026, directed by MARIO ANDRETTI PogChamp

[bcrdukes]

That is going to be interesting. GM/Cadillac has done well and a very fierce competitor in IMSA and WEC. Can't wait to see them in F1! :fuckyea:

[pastarocket]

Norris goofed up! That 10 second penalty for failing to slow down during a yellow flag put him out of contention in Quatar. Yellow flag was waved for Albon’s damaged mirror.

Tire punctured for Sainz and Hamilton.

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[The Producer]

wild race. crazy heavy handed penalties.

i know they dramatize the radio transmissions - but Max is so hard to listen to when he's whining

FIA got what they wanted - high stakes season finale next week

https://www.instagram.com/p/DDDCwdrovKS/?img_index=10

[supafamous]

wild race. crazy heavy handed penalties.

i know they dramatize the radio transmissions - but Max is so hard to listen to when he's whining

FIA got what they wanted - high stakes season finale next week


A mess of a race for the FIA - all those firings didn't help at all.

re: Max - he makes himself pretty easy to dislike (though Red Bull in general is like that). Some would say they tell it like it is and are being honest but those are two reasons/excuses why someone is just a jerk. I think Max crosses that line a lot (just like his driving standards).

George, Charles, Carlos, Lewis - they all have their pissy moments but there's enough humility (or something) that they reel themselves in afterwards.

[nabs]

What a shit show of a weekend, I was waiting for Max to do the classic Fuck You drive, where he just drives away into the sunset and builds a 30 second gap, but Lando was too close.

I had my daughter in her Ferrari F1 shirt since the morning, I'm hoping they can sneak into a constructors win, it would be huge for them with the amount of wins under their belt this year, in other racing divisions as well.

I'm a Max fan, but I appreciate the Ferrari progress, I would absolutely love it for the team. You can sense the paradigm shift in their garage this year.



edit. Also not to be understated, HAAS has now become an official midfield team! As of next season the extra funding boost, hopefully more sponsors, we can see some real progress there as well, a real Cinderella story.

[EvoFire]

HAAS was a midfield team a few years ago, but Guenther and Gene increasingly were at odds with each other causing rivaling decisions to be made.

[Koflach]

What a great race today! Mega drives by Hamilton and Leclerc bode well for Ferrari for next year.

[mb_]

Epic last lap pass by Ham, great recovery drive to end his Mercedes career