[RabidRat]

Must-haves:
-EV
-hauls the family, plus Grandma too (min 6 seats)
-AWD

Nice-to-haves:
-urban offroading (curb-hopping no problem)
-actual offroading
-panoramic moonroof
-CEO is not a dick

Budget:
-max 80k before tax & rebates (hopefully less, hopefully a lot less)

I can't come up with anything but EV9 and VW Buzz. Can anyone think of anything else?

[68style]

Buy something used and wait for R3 to come out? :alone:

You have very few choices and if I remember correctly you've already been down the Rivian R1 road

[AstulzerRZD]

Must-haves:
-EV
-hauls the family, plus Grandma too (min 6 seats)
-AWD

Nice-to-haves:
-urban offroading (curb-hopping no problem)
-actual offroading
-panoramic moonroof
-CEO is not a dick

Budget:
-max 80k before tax & rebates (hopefully less, hopefully a lot less)

I can't come up with anything but EV9 and VW Buzz. Can anyone think of anything else?

Rivian leases in US are really subsidized ($700/mo for R1S).
Heard leases are coming to Canada in first half of 2025.

[Badhobz]

Kia makes an ev9 ?

https://www.kia.ca/en/shopping-tools/build-and-price?isDeliveryAndDestination=true&currentVehicleTrimCode=E9151R&step=2&currentVehiclePkgCode=+&exteriorColourCode=SWP&interiorColourCode=RBQ&paymentFrequency=WEEKLY&kilometerAllowance=KMALL16&loanTerm=84&leaseTerm=60&yearCashCustomize=5&loanCashYrRange=24000&method=lease&engineType=EV&utm_source=google_pmax&utm_medium=search_lead&utm_campaign=my24_cy24_ev9_launch_pmax_lead_en&utm_term=ev9&utm_content=na&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwvvmzBhA2EiwAtHVrb_QeCudYBczwUw_aavYO JaHvqk07eufWWgb_Rvp5LYHcxYAO0fqFPxoCKoIQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&evChargers=&model=EV9&year=2024&isElectric=true

Maybe the ceos a dick like Elon.

[radeonboy]

EV9s are nice but I'm not sure if dealer markups are still rampant despite seeing more FB listings for new units. I don't think there's anything else under $80k that can seat 6 in the new car market right now. Maybe give Brantford Kia shout?

Any reason it has to be an EV? Something like a mid-spec $60k Trailsport Pilot will give you a sizable budget for gas over the next few years while more 6-7 seater EV options arrive.

[JDMDreams]

Model x

[Gumby]

Model x

How's the CEO? :)

[Traum]

Personally, I would look pass the dick CEO issue, but that is just me.

[68style]

Besides dick CEO, it doesn't fit his off-roading nice to haves in any way, shape or form.

[Gerbs]

Ioniq 5N.

Toss grandma in trunk!

[JDMDreams]

Best CEO, it has air suspension so you can just jack it up

[EvoFire]

There's really slim pickings with EV + 6 seats and no Tesla.

EV9, Rivian R1S, and.... I'm drawing a blank.
Being in Toronto, a PHEV isn't going to cut it for you either.

I think Europe and Asia has more choices but I have no idea why it's so bad here.

PS: Oh Volvo is bringing their EX90, that's pretty sweet.

[Bender Unit]

Ioniq 5N

[radeonboy]

R1S and EX90 are both over 100k so it's quite a stretch from an 80K budget. Volvo's doing a road show at the dealers - not sure if they've made their way to Ontario yet.

Asia has way more choices via the Chinese EV Minivans - Zeekr 009, Denza D9, Maxus MIFA9 etc.

[noclue]

Yeah you outta options for 6 seats and that budget.

Used iX? But thats 5seater.
EQS? 6 seat but above budget.

EV9 seems ideal if you can find one.

They’re clearing out 2023 F150 lightning platinum for $80k if that works

[radeonboy]

They’re clearing out 2023 F150 lightning platinum for $80k if that works

Wait what where?

[EvoFire]

Yeah you outta options for 6 seats and that budget.

Used iX? But thats 5seater.
EQS? 6 seat but above budget.

EV9 seems ideal if you can find one.

They’re clearing out 2023 F150 lightning platinum for $80k if that works

I really like the iX, it's ugly as sin but the package and interior is amazing and imo there's nothing like it on the market. I would seriously consider the iX if not for range anxiety for what we need it for.

There's also the nerd factor where the body is CFRP. A used iX 50 at 75k won't be loaded, but it'll also have most of the wants checked off as well. In BC, the 5% tax on the iX makes it a great buy compared to new at over 120k out the door.

Too bad he needs 6 seats.

[noclue]

I really like the iX, it's ugly as sin but the package and interior is amazing and imo there's nothing like it on the market. I would seriously consider the iX if not for range anxiety for what we need it for.

There's also the nerd factor where the body is CFRP. A used iX 50 at 75k won't be loaded, but it'll also have most of the wants checked off as well. In BC, the 5% tax on the iX makes it a great buy compared to new at over 120k out the door.

Too bad he needs 6 seats.

I drove an iX when my car was in service and that CFRP looked sweet, no need to worry bout rust, Which matters cause rabidrat is in toronto. But the trunk is a bit small, more like X3 instead of X5. I was also blown away by the bowers & wilkins stereo on the iX, wow!

[BIC_BAWS]

I don't know anything about EVs but I came here to say that I hope this doesn't turn into my multi-paged "what car should I buy (https://www.revscene.net/forums/716914-pick-dual-duty-car-bic_baws.html)" thread LOL

RS' advice is dope! Plus I know you like reading, so I'll link it for ya. Good luck in your search!

[underscore]

Besides dick CEO, it doesn't fit his off-roading nice to haves in any way, shape or form.

I'm curious how much actual off-roading there is around Toronto. If it's just FSRs all you need is a minivan.

[Badhobz]

Buy a beater caravan. Keep money for the occasional transmission failure and then take the rest of the money for gas and a fun sports car

[jing]

They’re clearing out 2023 F150 lightning platinum for $80k if that works

https://tnstatic.net/attachments/thumbnail_afc38538-c228-429a-b0d9-93380fec4d32-jpg.1009731/

Throw in a couple E46M seats in the box for grandma and her plus one then you're good to go!

[bcrdukes]

bZ4x

[AstulzerRZD]

Wait what where?

It’s a publicly published deal, imo I would bargain even harder on the leftover trucks

[red kryptonite]

my vote goes to ev9

[radeonboy]

bZ4x

I read somewhere that these and the Solterra are decent offroaders, but it can't seat six legally.

[whitev70r]

Find the best dollar for value 5 seater EV SUV and on the occasions that grandma is coming out to shopping or lunch, drive 2nd car and/or uber her :lol.

Unless that 6 seater option is a regular/often use requirement ... it's really limiting your options.

[dark0821]

wait for Ioniq 7 next year looool

but honestly I think the other people have the right idea. Buy a gas 6 seater call it a day, so mamy options that will get you out the door under $60k new

edit**

If you can get over the looks, the new 2024 Santa Fe in Luxury Trim is a 7 seater that will get your out the door after fees and taxes under $60K, like $59,400 in BC. And honestly we sell lots

- ventilated and heated seats up front with memory~
- heated seats 2nd row
- duo sunroof
- 360 camera with blind spot cameras
- wireless android auto and apple carplay
- and stupid amount of cup holders and usb ports looooooool
- 110V regular wall plug that can actually do a 2-slice toaster / motel hairdryer (with the car on ofc lolol)

There are no mark ups here at BC and you can shop the dealerships, hoping its the same in the GTA?

[Gumby]

wait for Ioniq 7 next year looool

but honestly I think the other people have the right idea. Buy a gas 6 seater call it a day, so mamy options that will get you out the door under $60k new

edit**

If you can get over the looks, the new 2024 Santa Fe in Luxury Trim is a 7 seater that will get your out the door after fees and taxes under $60K, like $59,400 in BC. And honestly we sell lots

- ventilated and heated seats up front with memory~
- heated seats 2nd row
- duo sunroof
- 360 camera with blind spot cameras
- wireless android auto and apple carplay
- and stupid amount of cup holders and usb ports looooooool
- 110V regular wall plug that can actually do a 2-slice toaster / motel hairdryer (with the car on ofc lolol)

There are no mark ups here at BC and you can shop the dealerships, hoping its the same in the GTA?
You forgot the UV-C sterilizer! :p

[RabidRat]

Being in Toronto, a PHEV isn't going to cut it for you either..

Just curious, how come a PHEV would be an issue specifically in Toronto?

[supafamous]

If you can get over the looks, the new 2024 Santa Fe in Luxury Trim is a 7 seater that will get your out the door after fees and taxes under $60K, like $59,400 in BC. And honestly we sell lots

https://www.hyundaicanada.com/en/vehicles/all-vehicles

Other than the Ioniq5 the Hyundai lineup sure has a lot of acquired tastes/butterfaces. I appreciate the boldness in design but there's a lot of Sarah Jessica Parker going on with some of the cars. They've really become the Korean BMW.

[Traum]

Just curious, how come a PHEV would be an issue specifically in Toronto?
In general, I feel like PHEV is simultaneously the best and worst of both worlds LOL~

In TO, I'd imagine that because of the greater distance that people generally need to drive everyday, they'll be depleting a fully charged battery pretty much on a daily basis. That'd wear your battery down faster; you still need to get gas on a regular basis, and you have the added complexity of both systems. So you're getting less from the "best of both worlds" portion of the ownership experience, and more of the "worst of both worlds" portion instead.

[EvoFire]

Just curious, how come a PHEV would be an issue specifically in Toronto?

My understanding is Toronto is much more spread out and you drive significantly longer distances. A 50-70km electric range isn't going to cut it if you are driving 40km one way regularly. Granted, you are potentially still saving money at the pump, but not nearly as much as you'd like and the premium you'd pay over a regular gas car.

For a X5 iirc it's about a 10-12k premium depending on options.

Nevermind the fact that if you are regular draining the battery down to nothing, you'll kill the battery much quicker.

[dark0821]

You forgot the UV-C sterilizer! :p

Naw, that's in Ultimate Calligraphy only, which is a bad deal, its on the wrong side of $55,000 meaning lux tax

On the luxury its just an extra glove box, which is great... just more storage space~

[RabidRat]

No love for the VW Buzz?

On a whim I put a deposit down on one today. They said it was fully refundable and there were only 2 people ahead of me *shrug*.

[supafamous]

No love for the VW Buzz?

On a whim I put a deposit down on one today. They said it was fully refundable and there were only 2 people ahead of me *shrug*.

I'm a wait and see for it - I would have strongly preferred the 2 row version and I'm skeptical the pricing for the 3 row will be something I want to spend on a VW - if a loaded ID4 is $63k then I'm thinking a loaded Buzz will be pushing $80k. At that price I'll just get an Audi Q6 (I don't need the 3rd row) even if I LOVE the looks and practicality of the Buzz. I also think it's on the larger size for what my wife is capable of piloting though it's only an inch longer than the Crown Signia that I'm really interested in.

[bcrdukes]

Crown Signia? :suspicious:

Are you my long lost brother?

[supafamous]

Crown Signia? :suspicious:

Are you my long lost brother?

If Toyota (or someone) produces lowering springs with a 1.5" drop or coilovers they'll have themselves a Crown Signia sale.

[bcrdukes]

If Toyota (or someone) produces lowering springs with a 1.5" drop or coilovers they'll have themselves a Crown Signia sale.

I'm hoping they will bring the Crown Sport to North America.

I don't think anyone will make lowering springs for the Crown of any variant. I hope I am wrong.

If you've ever test driven the Crown, you'll really appreciate the quality of the suspension. That thing rides like it's on a cloud. Coilovers would totally ruin the whole idea of the Crown. :lol

I'm looking forward to seeing the Crown Signia in show rooms. I'm often anti-SUV, but Toyota really has me curious about this particular car. FML :rukidding:

[Badhobz]

I’m quite impressed with the crown in general. My co worker bought one and I drove it to ramen with him. It’s basically a front wheel drive LC. The platform is based off the LCs platform so the underpinnings are quite sporty. Of course it’s heavy as fuck and the steering is a bit numb, but it’s a luxury cruiser and it does that exceptionally well.

[Matsuda]

I'm a wait and see for it - I would have strongly preferred the 2 row version and I'm skeptical the pricing for the 3 row will be something I want to spend on a VW - if a loaded ID4 is $63k then I'm thinking a loaded Buzz will be pushing $80k. At that price I'll just get an Audi Q6 (I don't need the 3rd row) even if I LOVE the looks and practicality of the Buzz. I also think it's on the larger size for what my wife is capable of piloting though it's only an inch longer than the Crown Signia that I'm really interested in.

I was interested when they were first announced and got to drive the one in Vancouver but that was the short wheel base version which I prefer. I'm thinking it'll be about $75k-80k here too. I put a deposit on a Rivian R2 for the wife when it was announced instead.

[radeonboy]

I also think the Buzz will reach 80K here and it's very plastic-y at that price. I lost interest after sitting inside the LWB version last year.

[Spectre_Cdn]

I'm hoping they will bring the Crown Sport to North America.

I don't think anyone will make lowering springs for the Crown of any variant. I hope I am wrong.

If you've ever test driven the Crown, you'll really appreciate the quality of the suspension. That thing rides like it's on a cloud. Coilovers would totally ruin the whole idea of the Crown. :lol

I'm looking forward to seeing the Crown Signia in show rooms. I'm often anti-SUV, but Toyota really has me curious about this particular car. FML :rukidding:

RS-R already makes springs and coilovers for the Crown "Crossover" and Sport. It's likely the Signia/Estate will get them, too. These newer Crowns actually aren't that uncommon over in Japan.

https://www.rs-r.co.jp/script/e_itemsearch/index.html

https://www.rs-r.co.jp/db/suspension/TOYOTA/tzsh35_d.jpg
https://www.rs-r.co.jp/db/shock/TOYOTA/azsh36w_b_r.jpg

[roastpuff]

Oh god that red one looks so hot

[whitev70r]

^ looks like a baby smaller version of the Panamera Turismo or Taycan Turismo wagon!

And on a reliable Toyota Platform .. take my $$$ now !!!

[dark0821]

i will very much yesh~~~

[68style]

Oh god that red one looks so hot

Looks like a Supra on roids

[RabidRat]

I also think the Buzz will reach 80K here and it's very plastic-y at that price. I lost interest after sitting inside the LWB version last year.

Yeah that's gonna be a no for me for $80k :(.

I was hoping for closer to $65k as a value alternative to the EV9 lol!
What're some comparable interiors to the Buzz's in terms of plasticky-ness?

[radeonboy]

Yeah that's gonna be a no for me for $80k :(.

I was hoping for closer to $65k as a value alternative to the EV9 lol!
What're some comparable interiors to the Buzz's in terms of plasticky-ness?

https://i.ibb.co/sFMQ0vf/IMG-7068.jpg

Most of the interior here is hard except the seats, headliner, and steering wheel. It reminded me of the Honda Element which I think many people may not like at $70-80k. This theme extends to the rest of the interior - it was a giant sea of hard plastic.

The EV9 has a much softer interior for comparison.

[Badhobz]

Argh. I was gonna buy one too. Still want to. But if it’s 70-80k and the interior is that plasticky…… might have to pass.

[radeonboy]

It's still a spacious van with a ton of visual character - you just need to go in with the expectation that you're paying for style rather than value for money.

[CRS]

wait for Ioniq 7 next year looool

but honestly I think the other people have the right idea. Buy a gas 6 seater call it a day, so mamy options that will get you out the door under $60k new

edit**

If you can get over the looks, the new 2024 Santa Fe in Luxury Trim is a 7 seater that will get your out the door after fees and taxes under $60K, like $59,400 in BC. And honestly we sell lots

- ventilated and heated seats up front with memory~
- heated seats 2nd row
- duo sunroof
- 360 camera with blind spot cameras
- wireless android auto and apple carplay
- and stupid amount of cup holders and usb ports looooooool
- 110V regular wall plug that can actually do a 2-slice toaster / motel hairdryer (with the car on ofc lolol)

There are no mark ups here at BC and you can shop the dealerships, hoping its the same in the GTA?

Now do the palisade

[RabidRat]

https://i.ibb.co/sFMQ0vf/IMG-7068.jpg

Most of the interior here is hard except the seats, headliner, and steering wheel. It reminded me of the Honda Element which I think many people may not like at $70-80k. This theme extends to the rest of the interior - it was a giant sea of hard plastic.

The EV9 has a much softer interior for comparison.

Can you recall if the center screen was tilted towards the driver? I can't tell if it's just a really subtle angle in the pictures and videos out there.

[supafamous]

https://youtu.be/YYo-Nui9NTM?si=5O5pvw4I2mde9W4o

Here's a new review of the LWB version of the Buzz. Kudos to finally showing the hot blonde assistant in their videos - they used to be such teases with it (at 12 mins in for you horndogs).

[Badhobz]

i miss germany...

[radeonboy]

Can you recall if the center screen was tilted towards the driver? I can't tell if it's just a really subtle angle in the pictures and videos out there.

It wasn't noticeable to me if it is tilted towards the driver, compared to say the ID7 where the tilt is quite obvious.

[RabidRat]

It wasn't noticeable to me if it is tilted towards the driver, compared to say the ID7 where the tilt is quite obvious.

Thanks. Yeah I sat in an ID4 the other day and I couldn't deal with that amount of tilt.

Generally I can't take asymmetry in an interior. Look at this C6 steering wheel. Not sure if that's just camera angles but damn, I've never been able to un-see how the right spoke is thicker than the left:
https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2008/08/112_0810_24z-2009_chevrolet_corvette_ZR1-interior_view.jpg?w=768&width=768&q=75&format=webp

[Badhobz]

That’s because it’s driver focused cockpit !!! You take that back rat. You take it back !!!!

It’s not cuz Billy Bob fucker can’t see straight due to all the inbreeding. Nope.

[bcrdukes]

Do you stare at the steering wheel while you drive? I sure hope not.

[RabidRat]

I think you could feel the lopsided girth in your hands, you don't need the lights on for that!

[EvoFire]

Something about feeling the difference in girth in the dark........ :nyan:

[bcrdukes]

:inout:

[Badhobz]

This place is getting gayer everyday

[GS8]

RS-R already makes springs and coilovers for the Crown "Crossover" and Sport. It's likely the Signia/Estate will get them, too. These newer Crowns actually aren't that uncommon over in Japan.

https://www.rs-r.co.jp/db/suspension/TOYOTA/tzsh35_d.jpg

I see Crowns on the road but a few days ago, I saw my first white one. With the high belt line and low roofline, it reminded me of these:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ULcAAOSwhvBjhpGQ/s-l1600.jpg

[Badhobz]

Shit on my face Toyota !!! Give me that toliet bowl