[rymack]

So I’ve been planning on getting a 1/2 ton pickup truck for a while. Looking at new , possibly a lease but not 100% sure on either parts of that statement.

If I go new I’m deciding between a F150 and a Tundra. Both have there pluses and minuses . From what I can gather I’d say the F150 is a better overall vehicle while the tundra may hold its value better. I also have a family member working at Toyota so I can get services for cost.

I’m not in trades but do own a house and my own business so will get regular use for this . Strictly speaking I don’t need a truck as I am able to get by without one but regardless on balance I think that’s the way we are leaning.

I am considering a lightning ( just to throw a curveball in here ) as well but my only hesitation is we are thinking about a trailer or possibly a RV in the next year ir so. A trailer doesn’t really work with a lightning but I could get a RV /motor home ( real nice Clark!) so that it wouldn’t matter . I think however a electric pickup handles 90 percent of what I want the truck to do day to day.

So for those that have trucks any thoughts on the above scenarios? Would you even go new ? Have also considered a used F150

[noclue]

Always F150, dont bother with lightning. The aluminium body (no rust, more payload) and flat floor is reason enough.
Engines you are fine with either ecoboost or the V8, powerboost is cool but have some issues.
When ford pushes the employee pricing in july-sept the prices are almost similar as buying used so buy new.
I've driven F150/F350 through multiple northern alberta -40C winters and it was reliable as a tank.

The only pluses for the tundra were reliability (no more with the turbo engines) and that the rear window can go down.

[Traum]

FWIW, a Lightning with the larger extended range battery and max tow package is capable of towing an open trailer with a race car on it for 220km+ with some minor caveats. Or it can tow an enclosed trailer with a race car in it for at least 160km+, if not more. So if your circumstances fit into the what the EV truck is capable of delivering, it can certainly work.

That said, I am not necessarily recommending a Lightning over other 1/2 ton trucks.

Another option that might be easier to swallow is the Maverick. If you don't tow, I'd guess that you can probably do 80 - 90% of the things that a proper half ton truck could do. The tow package allows you to tow up to 4000 lbs with it, but at that point, an actual half ton truck might just make more sense.

[AstulzerRZD]

A few cents on pickups that often goes unmentioned, having recently shopped and bought.

1) Maverick is not that cheap one you add equipment and pay for gas, even on the hybrid.
If you drive enough, the Lightning ends up cheaper in a jiffy since it’s $4/100km.

2) Lightning drives a LOT smoother than standard F150 - independent rear suspension and lower center of gravity helps a lot.

3) Silverado EV looks great on paper but falls short - SuperCruise doens’t work in exit lanes, the seats are super thin, the door armrests narrow, impossible to get a topper for, charges like shit with AC on.

4) RAM tungsten interior is nice but honestly not nearly as nice as a Rivian. Rivian drives like a sports car with better steering feel than a 911 GTS. I mention these two together because they have incredibly usable interiors with space to store laptop, all adventure gear, keep it charged,etc.

5) Lightning ER, last time I checked, doesn’t qualify for a lot of incentives - even the Medium Heavy duty incentives.

6) Tundra is fucking terrible, even the seat bases are cracking in a year or two. Unreliability extends past the engine on this POS. Gas bill is terrible too.

In today’s world I really don’t see a scenario where I don’t buy an EV truck in BC.
Tesla supercharger rates at 30c/kwh mean even towing is $13/100km instead of $50 with a 5.0 F150.

- Interior? Rivian > RAM
- Towing? Silverado EV with 400km towing range and crazy recharge
- Overall usability? Lightning

[noclue]

An electric truck will limit him when it comes to either an RV trailer or a camper. Or if he wants to go overlanding.
He needs a gas truck with a 136L tank, and live axles.

[AstulzerRZD]

Yeah for recreational long hauling driving, EV truck won’t do it unless you’re willing to trade time for money.

That said, it’s not impossible even with towing.
Rented Silverado 4WT EV in Oregon, we got 350km highway range towing a camper and 10c/kwh supercharging in Oregon really made up for the stops.
$4/100km lmaooo

We still have a max payload package F150 5.0 8’ for very specific use cases

[RabidRat]

Is renting a truck for the particularly long trailer / RV excursions an option?

If that's ok, then the huge gas savings for mostly around-town use of a truck is going to be really gratifying w/ the Lightning. Just never thinking about gas again, simply plugging it in, in your garage every couple days.

[rymack]

Hmm tbh never considered that. Would probably solve most of what I wanted to do. I guess pick up rentals with hitches are common?

Can’t imagine actually towing a trailer more than say to Chilliwack/cultus on an electric.

It would mean upgrading panel in my house a year or two before planned but it is what it is. I guess I’d need to look at cost of ownership gas vs electric to see if it actually makes sense.
One thing I find annoying w the lightning is no sunroof until lariat trim. It’s minor send I’ll get use to it but I actually quite like the light from the panoramic moon roof.

Wonder how well the lightning sell with out the rebates ? Maybe a opp for a discount?

[AstulzerRZD]

Kind of.

Yes, every pickup midsize and above in a rental fleet has a hitch.
By the book, you need to rent with the "truck" rental side for towing to be allowed under the rental agreement.
This matters because in the event of an accident, both the CDW you buy from them/credit card/your personal insurance doesn't cover claims where you're operating the vehicle against the rental agreement.

That said, I didn't do this. They gave me a truck in personal truck rental (2500 class was super cheap with Hertz) and I towed with it lmao.
In Vancouver, Enterprise Truck Rental has F350 6.7 Diesels for like $300 for the week.

[AstulzerRZD]

It would mean upgrading panel in my house a year or two before planned but it is what it is. I guess I’d need to look at cost of ownership gas vs electric to see if it actually makes sense.

Wonder how well the lightning sell with out the rebates ? Maybe a opp for a discount?

1) We have 100A panel and largely electric heat; 25+ Lightning only charges at 48A so we installed a load balancer device called DCC9/BlackBox EMS (which BC hydro gives a rebate on).

2) Cost of ownership: 20kwh/100km around town, 45kwh/100km towing; 15c/kwh at home so $3/100km or $5.5/100km.

3) Without rebates, buy from an Alberta dealer who was forced to sell them to get F250/350. Margin between MRSP and Invoice is tiny on Lightning so you need to find a dealer willing to really get rid of one ... or last year's model.

[Traum]

Another benefit with EV trucks is -- I'm more thinking Lightning here than Silverado EV because I don't know Silverado EVs -- you basically have a supersized portable battery on-the-go. If you go camping (assuming that you have a place to charge the truck up before you camp), the truck can power all your electrical needs for quite a while. No gasoline generators needed, and the convenience is really quite something.

[JDMDreams]

I heard they can't sell these so maybe deals to be had

https://www.mercedes-benz.ca/content/dam/mb-nafta/us/future-vehicles/my25/ev-g-580-suv/gallery/full/2025-EV-G580-SUV-FMG-001-DR.jpg

https://www.kbb.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/GMC-Hummer-EV-with-CrabWalk.jpg?w=918

[AstulzerRZD]

Another benefit with EV trucks is -- I'm more thinking Lightning here than Silverado EV because I don't know Silverado EVs -- you basically have a supersized portable battery on-the-go. If you go camping (assuming that you have a place to charge the truck up before you camp), the truck can power all your electrical needs for quite a while. No gasoline generators needed, and the convenience is really quite something.

Silverado generally better since they have 7.2kW inverter standard, 10kW optional. The removable midgate also makes it super easy to setup an in bed mattress.

Most Lightning are only optioned with 2.4kW inverter, very rare to see the 7.2kW one optioned.

Rivian only offers 120V outlets, no 240V.

[noclue]

My coworker had a lightning and it took him 8hrs to tow his rv trailer to osoyoos. Range gets killed towing a trailer as is, then combine it with climbing a mountain and decoupling the trailer to charge it cause it doesnt fit. Traded it in for a powerboost and is very happy with it especially with the built in 7.2kw generator.

[rymack]

We have 100A panel and largely electric heat; 25+ Lightning only charges at 48A so we installed a load balancer device called DCC9/BlackBox EMS (which BC hydro gives a rebate on).
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We are already maxed. Ac , suite , two electric stoves , two dryers , Hot tub etc.

Without rebates, buy from an Alberta dealer who was forced to sell them to get F250/350. Margin between MRSP and Invoice is tiny on Lightning so you need to find a dealer willing to really get rid of one ... or last year's model.

I assume same may hold true for Northern BC etc but yah its a idea. We have been thinking of leasing this but could also look at purchasing i suppose.

As for towing to somewhere like osoyoos thats always been my hesitation but the idea of renting a pickup that is diesel/gas for anything past the fraser valley or select spots on the island ( rathtrevor etc) probably solves that ( albeit inconvenient ).

Interestingly enough all the "true cost to own" calculators say the Lightning is costlier over 5 years than a gas version. I have to assume that's based on american gas/electric pricing . But even then its not going to be a slam dunk.

[AstulzerRZD]

Gotcha - that’s a bit tough because the battery doesn’t precondition on L1 charging (though the cabin will). Otherwise, you’d be recharging the 17kwh per night or 70kmh on standard outlet.

Northern BC defs does not have enough charger coverage for towing.

Cost to run wise, math depends on how you use it. Math for us was the Lightning is a free truck compared to our gas usage.

I get 17-23/100km in a 8ft bed, max payload 5.0. $34/100km or $50/100km towing
That’s like 8-900 a month we’re saving.

Compared to Americans the fast charging in PNW and Vancouver is incredibly cheap.
10-25c/kwh instead of like 64.

Better ride quality, keepimg the truck warm/cool during errands off battery & running a cooler for fresh towels and drinks/food at job site was just icing on the cake.

[Hondaracer]

F150 with the Coyote imo

The newer lariat interiors are very nice, I’ve always been a ford person but I think the newer gens the fords are definitely a step ahead in most aspects

[dark0821]

I only have experience with the F-550 diesel

and its been .... super reliable... even with 4.5 tonnes of cargo in the bed consistently on and off for the past 4 years.... approaching 100K KM now...

=D

[rymack]

http://https://www.islandford.ca/vehicles/2025/ford/f-150-lightning/duncan/bc/65379453/?sale_class=new

Anyone ever deal w Island ford? Seems like a unrealistic
Discount .

[AstulzerRZD]

http://https://www.islandford.ca/vehicles/2025/ford/f-150-lightning/duncan/bc/65379453/?sale_class=new

Anyone ever deal w Island ford? Seems like a unrealistic
Discount .

5k is a government discount if it’s being registered to a business.
13k is largely Island Ford and using outside finance (~5.99%)

That specific stock number is sold but they have exact truck with diff stock #.
Let me know if you want my sales guy’s name at Island Ford, super easy to work with.

[rymack]

Yah if you could shoot me that contact that would be great.

[AstulzerRZD]

DM’d - use the 250 number I also sent you.
If you don’t see the DM, call the main line, Name is Carson

[Dbone]

http://https://www.islandford.ca/vehicles/2025/ford/f-150-lightning/duncan/bc/65379453/?sale_class=new

Anyone ever deal w Island ford? Seems like a unrealistic
Discount .

Edit: Sorry, this was Island GM.. not Ford. I had to look it up after I rage typed this out. :)

They are assholes. A few years ago I went down to look at a Focus ST they "had". I called end of day to check it was still for sale. They told me it was and I could see it the next day, then when I arrived first thing the next day they had "just sold it" but I could look at the other non-ST Focus they had.

Jerks.

[nabs]

I've driven quite a few different pickup trucks, and I can confidently say that if I was to get one, it would be an F-150 AWD

[Badhobz]

theres a reason why its the number 1 selling truck across north america. you cant beat the f150 when it comes to value. you get a lot for your money

[rymack]

So from what i can gather that discount is realistic if paying cash which is possible but maybe not the best long term bet. Ford doesn't offer discounts and good lease rates ...its one or the other.

As i was originally looking at leasing i ran the numbers that way. Based on the idea of a Electric flash vs a gas XLT/lariat ( hard to have real comparison as they have different mix of features across the various levels) the difference is about $100-$200 month less expensive for the electric vs the gas powered ( that difference will be bigger as gas gets more expensive ).

The annoying thing with the Lightning is the Lariat trim is something like 17 k above the Flash. From what i can tell it includes a upgrade stereo , sunroof , sliding back window , heated /ventilated seats. Seems a bit of a crazy jump to me.

I think all in all ( given that i would have to upgrade panel , would need to rent or borrow a different truck for long distance trailer trip , price difference wasn't crazy per month on a lease ) i might be better of with a gas .Suppose i should go and actually test drive both before I make a decision.

[Hehe]

Unless you are really doing a lot of RV-ing and towing, get a Lightning/Silverado EV/Cybertruck/Hummer/Rivian or whatever fancies you. Many of my friends who used to drive an ICE pickup for work/lifestyle or whatever reason have all switched to EV pickups or are just waiting for their lease to be up to switch to one.

The reason is simple: gas price.

Prices of pickups is nothing to think twice about, it is what it is. But if that pickup is going to be your main driver, the gas is going to be a major factor. Most my pickup friends used to spend easily $700+ every month in gas alone and there are many who spend 1000+ because they also need it for work as well. By going EV, even for a pig like Hummer, we are talking about $200 in hydro bill.

For RV-ing and towing in general, unless you are going into the middle of nowhere, EV trucks can do that without much of an issue other than more frequent stops than their ICE-counterpart since DC charger is a lot more abundant along major highways now. However, many of us who don't really do RV/towing all that often, we either just suck it up with the charging or rent an ICE truck if we really need that.

The saving is quite substantial.

[JDMDreams]

Any cyber truck deals yet, I heard they are 0% financing in the us

[Hondaracer]

Gas prices are high so you spend another 25% on the ev equivalent lol?

The F150 with the 5.0 gets better mileage than my G37. Which isn’t saying much but who gets into a truck and trips out about the fuel prices?

The tiny 2.7L eco boost costs about $200 to fill up, but you get between 850-1000 KM’s out of it.

[AstulzerRZD]

So from what i can gather that discount is realistic if paying cash which is possible but maybe not the best long term bet. Ford doesn't offer discounts and good lease rates ...its one or the other.

As i was originally looking at leasing i ran the numbers that way. Based on the idea of a Electric flash vs a gas XLT/lariat ( hard to have real comparison as they have different mix of features across the various levels) the difference is about $100-$200 month less expensive for the electric vs the gas powered ( that difference will be bigger as gas gets more expensive ).


Would be a really good idea to go drive one.
A few things that stood out:

- When I had boots on, 1 pedal driving is amazing.
- Drives smaller than Lexus RX because of low COG and way smother over bumpers with IRS
- Very response and quiet, no turbo lag, feels better than 2500 Diesel

Some others
- Stays warm/cold while running errands because u can keep the AC and heat going. Cabin is warm in the morning for gf.
- Frunk power is awesome for fresh towels, cold drinks, and tool boxes (built in load floor is a divider)

Charging wise, I really don't think you need a panel upgrade.
You can...

1) Cheapest - $20, no panel or breaker change.
Convert household 2 plug 5-15 to 1 plug 5-20.
Instead of 1.3kw you'd get 1.8kw ... 86km or 16% a night.

2) Install a manual power split device that enables you to use hot tub/dryer OR Level 2 charger.
Dryer is 240V 30A so power split gets you 7.2kW, 65% charge a night.

3) Do an automatic power split charger (Emporia) or device (DCC9, BlackBox EMS) and sub panel to reduce or turn off charging when hot tub/dryer is enabled.
You could get the full 48A, full charge each night.

[AstulzerRZD]

Gas prices are high so you spend another 25% on the ev equivalent lol?

The F150 with the 5.0 gets better mileage than my G37. Which isn’t saying much but who gets into a truck and trips out about the fuel prices?

The tiny 2.7L eco boost costs about $200 to fill up, but you get between 850-1000 KM’s out of it.

What spec are you running?
4x4? Crew Cab? 6.5' bed?

Even on a brand new 10 speed 5.0, 6.5' Crew Cab on highway tires, I get 17L city, 11L highway.
6 speed, 8' bed, max payload pack gets 23L city, 14L highway.

[rymack]

As far as I can tell I’d spend 300-400 more a month on fuel for gas vs electric ( most of my driving is highway albeit partially during gridlock). The lease for the electric is a couple hundred more than the gas . So it isn’t full savings . I guess I should enquire about cost difference in insurance and take maintenance into consideration as well.

And again the models are different enough electric vs gas so it’s not a straight across comparison. From what I can tell I can get a lariat gas that would be similar to a flash electric so it’s not straightforward.

As for the power I’ve had a electrician in and we are already overloaded from when we bought the place so they told me they really shouldn’t even be working on the panel as it requires a upgrade. Which as I said we are planning on but maybe not right away.

[AstulzerRZD]

As far as I can tell I’d spend 300-400 more a month on fuel for gas vs electric ( most of my driving is highway albeit partially during gridlock). The lease for the electric is a couple hundred more than the gas . So it isn’t full savings . I guess I should enquire about cost difference in insurance and take maintenance into consideration as well.

And again the models are different enough electric vs gas so it’s not a straight across comparison. From what I can tell I can get a lariat gas that would be similar to a flash electric so it’s not straightforward.

As for the power I’ve had a electrician in and we are already overloaded from when we bought the place so they told me they really shouldn’t even be working on the panel as it requires a upgrade. Which as I said we are planning on but maybe not right away.

Personally I think in a crazy work/home day, getting into a warm truck in the AM/after work and not being bothered by bumpy ride/gas engine is good enough reason to deal with the tradeoffs in my circumstance.

That’s tough for you though - I wouldn’t do it in City of Vancouver since fast chargers are really limited.

City of Richmond/Surrey/Coquitlam/Burnaby is ok with Superchargers where the groceries are. At home, most you can do without panel upgrade is 5-20 120V, which still gives 80km overnight.

Insurance wise we didn’t buy the replacement cost - there aren’t any aftermarket parts for lightning body panels and the EV incentive for business should continue.

[Hehe]

Gas prices are high so you spend another 25% on the ev equivalent lol?

The F150 with the 5.0 gets better mileage than my G37. Which isn’t saying much but who gets into a truck and trips out about the fuel prices?

The tiny 2.7L eco boost costs about $200 to fill up, but you get between 850-1000 KM’s out of it.

F150 averages 13L/100km in a city/hwy mix for daily drive. Say 5yr/100,000km, that's roughly $22,000 in gas alone assuming $1.65/L price. Lightning, OTOH, it's about 350w per km or 35kw/100km or about $3500 in hydro bill if you charge it at night.

This is before any EV rebates or whatever incentive.

Then comes the maintenance. Lightning requires almost 0 maintenance up to 100k other than some cabin filters. A quick search on Google shows roughly $12,000 for maintenance up to 100k for ICE F150 and about $2000 for Lightning based on factory suggested program.

The gas saving alone can justify the difference in price, or at the bare minimum, break even between ICE and EV for up to 100k. Then the difference just widen from there on.

If you factor all cost of ownership, the EV version would always come out ahead. I have said it before and I'd say it again, if buying new car is the goal, buying ICE is actually the luxury version as the cost over the years is so much more.

The only possible scenario where ICE yields better saving is if you buy a super cheap beater and drive it to the ground. At new vs. new scenario, EV would always cost less to run.

[Hondaracer]

Lightning has an 8 year, 100,000km warranty on the battery. Once you’re out of warranty it’s currently a 32k replacement.

The truck is scrap at that point

[AstulzerRZD]

It’s actually 160k km and Ford’s built it in a way that you can replace individual cells.

The gassers have some big ticket items too:
- 10 speeds: CDF drum better but valve body still an issue.
- Wet oil belts in latest 2.7 and 5.0: $4-5k labour cost at 160k km.
- 3.5 and 5.0 cam phasers: better but not bulletproof.

I have both so no real bias either way, just pros and cons.
At least on the EV you’re covered till 160k.

[noclue]

If you buy a truck for work or daily driving around town in which you do consider the running cost of an EV truck but if it's for pleasure use you want the freedom of a gas truck. Towing? Off-roading up a logging trail? Carrying extra jerry cans in the bed to increase range? Not having to plan precise stops to charge and hoping the charger is working? A F150 with the 136L tank I can drive from Vancouver to northern California in one shot, and with one 10min fill at a gas station anywhere along I5 I can get to San Fransisco by nighttime.

Plus he said his driving is mostly highway so the gas savings is negated somewhat.

[rymack]

F150 averages 13L/100km in a city/hwy mix for daily drive. Say 5yr/100,000km, that's roughly $22,000 in gas alone assuming $1.65/L price. Lightning, OTOH, it's about 350w per km or 35kw/100km or about $3500 in hydro bill if you charge it at night.

This is before any EV rebates or whatever incentive.

Then comes the maintenance. Lightning requires almost 0 maintenance up to 100k other than some cabin filters. A quick search on Google shows roughly $12,000 for maintenance up to 100k for ICE F150 and about $2000 for Lightning based on factory suggested program.

The gas saving alone can justify the difference in price, or at the bare minimum, break even between ICE and EV for up to 100k. Then the difference just widen from there on.

If you factor all cost of ownership, the EV version would always come out ahead. I have said it before and I'd say it again, if buying new car is the goal, buying ICE is actually the luxury version as the cost over the years is so much more.

The only possible scenario where ICE yields better saving is if you buy a super cheap beater and drive it to the ground. At new vs. new scenario, EV would always cost less to run.

That all makes sense.I'm probably looking at a 3-4 year lease so those longer term savings wouldn't really apply.

I think its going to come down to trim level ( the flash isn't trimmed out as nice as a equivalent gas version or another way to say it is you got to pay a bunch more to get the same trim and that will eat any savings ) , Cost of making charging doable at home , am i willing to rent a pickup for any potential long trips in the trailer etc ,

Anyway i'm gonna swing by my local ford dealership today to see if i can get a sense of what makes more...sense.

[AstulzerRZD]

If you buy a truck for work or daily driving around town in which you do consider the running cost of an EV truck but if it's for pleasure use you want the freedom of a gas truck. Towing? Off-roading up a logging trail? Carrying extra jerry cans in the bed to increase range? Not having to plan precise stops to charge and hoping the charger is working? A F150 with the 136L tank I can drive from Vancouver to northern California in one shot, and with one 10min fill at a gas station anywhere along I5 I can get to San Fransisco by nighttime.

Plus he said his driving is mostly highway so the gas savings is negated somewhat.

Not having to plan stops is pretty big. It really isn’t about charging since Google/Apple maps does this but it’s more about the hassle of trying to figure out whether there’s good food/washroom at the charging.

Highway traffic is actually the best fuel economy you'll get in EV (40-80kmh).
Even if you consume 2X the electricity, the cost per KM is so low that it's immaterial.

Lightning Suburban driving: 3c/km
Lightning Highway towing: 9c/km

Gas City driving (17L): 29c/km
Gas Towing (30L): 51c/km

[JDMDreams]

How much are cats when crack heads cut them out:lawl:

[Badhobz]

https://i.postimg.cc/fWrQYGYG/Capture.png
wowowowo even the base model, 2 door, fugly as hell steel wheels one is 52k!! fuck that. everything sucks dick nowadays. It used to be this fugly base truck was under 40k just a few years ago!

[AstulzerRZD]

The biggest travesty is an XLT 4x4 5.5' Super Crew - most common spec is $67k WTF??!?!

Want adaptive cruise, dimming mirrors, heated seats, power/memory seat? 74k
Want 360 camera, blue cruise, plastic leather? 82k
Want in bed power outlets >> add another 5-7k.

Compare to..
Lightning XLT: heated seats, 360 camera, in bed power output > 65k (14k discount like for like)
Lightning Flash: bluecruise, plastic leather > 70k (5k discount)

Add 5k incentive, huge financing incentive (15k at Island Ford) and 20-40c in fuel saved per km...
A Flash at 140k km or so is a completely free truck and you still have some battery warranty left.

[AstulzerRZD]

Anyway i'm gonna swing by my local ford dealership today to see if i can get a sense of what makes more...sense.

This is what helped us pick between Maverick / F150 5.0 / F250 6.7 / Lightning for new fleet trucks. They even let us hook up trailer.

[noclue]

https://i.postimg.cc/fWrQYGYG/Capture.png
wowowowo even the base model, 2 door, fugly as hell steel wheels one is 52k!! fuck that. everything sucks dick nowadays. It used to be this fugly base truck was under 40k just a few years ago!

We got a fully loaded platinum in 2018 for 60k... truck inflation is outta control. Aren't trucks posed to be for the average joe?

[JDMDreams]

Aren't trucks posed to be for the average juan?

Fixed

[rymack]

Just took the electric Flash for a rip. Fairly impressive tbh . Hate the fake leather. For whatever reason I really prefer a moon roof but can’t justify the price in the electric .

The gas powered lariat is prob the sweet spot for trim for my preferences just isn’t worth the extra money ( gas etc)

[AstulzerRZD]

Don't the new F150s continue to have moon roof leaks?
We used to accept Lariat but don't any more even if a dealer is offering us a banging deal.

[rymack]

Hmm interesting . In this day and age not something I’d expect to be a issue

[AstulzerRZD]

Ford and Audi continue to suffer hella moonroof leak - is why new B10 A5 no longer has a sliding pano roof. VW/Audi bought back an insane amount of pano roof car.... and every F150 we continue to try with moonroof leaks.

[Manic!]

Just buy a Honda Ridgeline.

[68style]

Just buy a Honda Ridgeline.

Still over $60k

[JDMDreams]

Kei is always the answer like Miata

https://static1.hotcarsimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/screenshot-2024-05-02-17-36-47-1.png

[Badhobz]

My dad's building manager bought one, got sideswiped in it, and turned into an amputee. sooo yeah DONT BUY A KEI CAR.

[JDMDreams]

^^ I mean a container full of illegal Mexicans can also fall on you :pokerface:

[noclue]

Just buy a Honda Ridgeline.

Ridgeline was the worst truck I've ever experienced. Small gas tank meant frequent stops with poor efficiency (mine was 6-speed, newer ones are 10-speed), tiny cabin. However the trunk inside the bed feature and dual opening of the liftgate is great innovation by honda.

[Hondaracer]

If you buy a truck for work or daily driving around town in which you do consider the running cost of an EV truck but if it's for pleasure use you want the freedom of a gas truck. Towing? Off-roading up a logging trail? Carrying extra jerry cans in the bed to increase range? Not having to plan precise stops to charge and hoping the charger is working? A F150 with the 136L tank I can drive from Vancouver to northern California in one shot, and with one 10min fill at a gas station anywhere along I5 I can get to San Fransisco by nighttime.

Plus he said his driving is mostly highway so the gas savings is negated somewhat.

That’s my biggest detractor with EV trucks for me. I think HEHE makes valid points, however about 4-5 times a year I’ll go to the cabin, go hunting, etc. the cabin we go hunting to is hardly “remote” it’s about an hour drive into the bush from Kamloops airport. However, we will drive probably 200-300km during the 4-5 days we are there. It’s basically a house and you could plug 120v in however, you fill up the F150 back in Kamloops and I could do all that driving in the bush, drive all the way home back to Vancouver, and never once think about it.

Same can’t be said with the EV. If I did that once a year, might be a consideration, but 4+ times, nah

[noclue]

That’s my biggest detractor with EV trucks for me. I think HEHE makes valid points, however about 4-5 times a year I’ll go to the cabin, go hunting, etc. the cabin we go hunting to is hardly “remote” it’s about an hour drive into the bush from Kamloops airport. However, we will drive probably 200-300km during the 4-5 days we are there. It’s basically a house and you could plug 120v in however, you fill up the F150 back in Kamloops and I could do all that driving in the bush, drive all the way home back to Vancouver, and never once think about it.

Same can’t be said with the EV. If I did that once a year, might be a consideration, but 4+ times, nah

"Just rent a truck when you need it" All rental companies ban off-road use and have extreme restrictions on towing.

https://www.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/uhaul-fail-pics-166-650462ebbd9a0__700.jpg

[Hondaracer]

Nothing like a few dead deer and blood all over the u-haul lol

[AstulzerRZD]

That’s my biggest detractor with EV trucks for me. I think HEHE makes valid points, however about 4-5 times a year I’ll go to the cabin, go hunting, etc. the cabin we go hunting to is hardly “remote” it’s about an hour drive into the bush from Kamloops airport. However, we will drive probably 200-300km during the 4-5 days we are there. It’s basically a house and you could plug 120v in however, you fill up the F150 back in Kamloops and I could do all that driving in the bush, drive all the way home back to Vancouver, and never once think about it.

Same can’t be said with the EV. If I did that once a year, might be a consideration, but 4+ times, nah

I would say the exact same things about EVs had I not rented a PHEV before the EV, and then a couple brands of EV for road trips.

[noclue]

I would say the exact same things about EVs had I not rented a PHEV before the EV, and then a couple brands of EV for road trips.

Sure, but when you wanna do hillbilly things like muddin', going deep into the bush to hunt bear/moose, having a cold one with the broskis while towing the malibu wakesetter to cultus lake; you need a gasser, and nothing commands more respect at the boat launch than a lifted Cummins dually.

[rymack]

Another nit picky thing about the flash trim...No sliding rear window. Not sure how much i would actually use or need it but you'd think for a 85K truck they would put it in.

The ActiveX "leather" is trash to the point id consider getting aftermarket leather put in. Id prefer cloth over those tbh.

[noclue]

Another nit picky thing about the flash trim...No sliding rear window. Not sure how much i would actually use or need it but you'd think for a 85K truck they would put it in.

The ActiveX "leather" is trash to the point id consider getting aftermarket leather put in. Id prefer cloth over those tbh.

You missed out last year when ford had a firesale on leftover 2023 lightning platinum for $80k. Maybe they’ll do it again. Occasionally they have really good 2year lease promos too.

[underscore]

FSRs are legally roads, so if you're sticking to those a rental should be fine. Any of the proper offroad trails around here you're not getting far with a truck either way so it should be a non issue for most people.

[AstulzerRZD]

Another nit picky thing about the flash trim...No sliding rear window. Not sure how much i would actually use or need it but you'd think for a 85K truck they would put it in.

The ActiveX "leather" is trash to the point id consider getting aftermarket leather put in. Id prefer cloth over those tbh.

Katzkin is like $2300; you can also swap in Platinum seats for real leather (Lariat is also activeX in more recent model years).

Some guys have put heated/cooled Lariat seats into Lightning Pro before.
ICE HVAC, airbag, and seats are compatible.

You can also just swap the cushions onto the existing seat frame.

[Great68]

"Just rent a truck when you need it" All rental companies ban off-road use and have extreme restrictions on towing.


Lol, buying a travel trailer but renting a truck when you need to move it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

[Hehe]

That’s my biggest detractor with EV trucks for me. I think HEHE makes valid points, however about 4-5 times a year I’ll go to the cabin, go hunting, etc. the cabin we go hunting to is hardly “remote” it’s about an hour drive into the bush from Kamloops airport. However, we will drive probably 200-300km during the 4-5 days we are there. It’s basically a house and you could plug 120v in however, you fill up the F150 back in Kamloops and I could do all that driving in the bush, drive all the way home back to Vancouver, and never once think about it.

Same can’t be said with the EV. If I did that once a year, might be a consideration, but 4+ times, nah

It's all about planning with EVs. If you are anywhere within 200km radius from decently sized town (like at least with a commercial street of some form), chances are, you have a DC charger except once past Prince George. All you have to do is to make sure you charge it for as much as you need and that's it.

EVs, given the relatively limited charging stations, need preparation for longer/more remote trips. But it can be done, and many of my friends who had the idea of "just rent when needed" almost never ended up renting one.

Once you go EV, you just adjust your driving habits around it. It used to be just drive until the light comes on, now you either plug it in whenever you get home or you get used to how much charge you need for whatever itinerary you might have.

Yes, an EV is not going to allow you to cannonball all the way to LA or Toronto. But realistically, how many times would you do for the entire duration of ownership?

People like to have Jack of all trades where the x thing you are buying today allows you to do every possible thing. But the fact is, you end up with something that barely does everything ok if not downright suck at everything.

For me, a pickup truck is a tool to get me from point A-->B while carrying some stuff I need say snowboard, bike... etc. I just want something extremely good and efficient at it. Towing/RV-ing/roadtrip... yeah, maybe... but if I'm really into that, I'd buy a dedicated vehicle that do them extremely well and efficient but not something I'd DD it.

[68style]

My eyes glaze over with stats and rationale… end of the day EV will never cut it for me as a car enthusiast.

Planning to drive a sterility instrument of transportation and celebrating its efficiency and silent operating mannerism to arrive at destinations feeling quite pleased with myself for figuring out which charging station is next to the best Denny’s makes my dick soooooo limp.

[Traum]

Planning to drive a sterility instrument of transportation and celebrating its efficiency and silent operating mannerism to arrive at destinations feeling quite pleased with myself for figuring out which charging station is next to the best Denny’s makes my dick soooooo limp.
A lot of people say they find the EV driving experience to be sterile / boring, and I have no intention of suggesting that they subjective opinion on the topic is wrong LOL~ From my limited driving and riding in EVs though, the only tangible difference I feel is the lack of engine / exhaust noise. The lack of it diminishes the experience a bit, but I would say I am only thinking that bcos I am used to all the hustle and bustle from an ICE. In a well-tuned EV, the EV still seems fun and exciting to drive and handle -- except that there is no getting around the weight.

When a car handles well (for its weight), it handles well (for its weight). And I'd say good handling makes a car fun to drive. People say the instant torque makes it a one-trick pony, and you get used to the torque/power. I'd say power and torque is power and torque. They are always fun to have, and EVs have plenty of it, and right away when you ask for it. That makes it fun!

[underscore]

My eyes glaze over with stats and rationale… end of the day EV will never cut it for me as a car enthusiast.

Planning to drive a sterility instrument of transportation and celebrating its efficiency and silent operating mannerism to arrive at destinations feeling quite pleased with myself for figuring out which charging station is next to the best Denny’s makes my dick soooooo limp.

While I agree, driving a truck isn't exactly an exciting experience to begin with.

[68style]

I found a few sort of fun before, made nice noises at least hahaha

[Great68]

They're fun on logging roads :)

[noclue]

A F150 raptor is awesome, gives you a king of the road vibe and you can hit a pothole at 50km/h and barely feel a thing with that fox suspension. Cant imagine how much more fun the raptor R is with the 5L supercharged V8.

An empty F350 with the powerstroke pushing 1000ft/lb torque is fun doing highway pulls.

[TOS'd]

Anyone have a Ford Ranger or would recommend one? F150 might be a bit big for parkades or undergrounds.

[Hondaracer]

That new Raptor R is the nicest half ton on the market, beautiful truck, sounds amazing, incredibly versatile

[JDMDreams]

I've seen a few of the new v6 raptors drive by, they sound like ass. Unlike the old V8 ones.

[roastpuff]

The Raptor R is a supercharged V8 FYI...

[Badhobz]

I kinda want a raptor r. i might get it after my hitlerbox lease is up.

what am i gonna tow? shaddup!

why do i need a 1/2 ton pickup? shaddup!

what about the gas money? shaddup!

where you gonna park that pos? shaddup!

[Great68]

Raptor R is nice, but the trade-off is payload rating is low at only 1400lbs. (If towing is your goal that kind of sucks, factor 10-15% tongue weight and you're only a couple of big passengers away from capacity, with an empty bed

[roastpuff]

I would LOVE to see Hobz tow anything. :D

[radeonboy]

I kinda want a raptor r. i might get it after my hitlerbox lease is up.

what am i gonna tow? shaddup!

why do i need a 1/2 ton pickup? shaddup!

what about the gas money? shaddup!

where you gonna park that pos? shaddup!

Please trade in your hitlerbox early - you need the Raptor for driving over the West Dyke Trail to shoot wildlife photography.

[Badhobz]

i dont even know what to do with it... kinda wanna take it to a beetle meat and lay a fat 11 infront of all those fags.

[noclue]

I see more and more of badhobz compatriots driving raptors around richmond, maybe it's the new G-wagon? It's funny though cause the raptor is too tall for aberdeen mall for dim sum, but also too wide with the fender flares that it legally needs orange clearance lights.

[JDMDreams]

Just get a cyber truck, get it to self drive you to dim sum or holt Renfrew so you can get bj on the way.

[underscore]

Raptor R is nice, but the trade-off is payload rating is low at only 1400lbs. (If towing is your goal that kind of sucks, factor 10-15% tongue weight and you're only a couple of big passengers away from capacity, with an empty bed

Having a truck with less payload capacity than a Toyota Sienna is a bit funny. Looks like it's rated for 8k towing. In BC I like to stay under 75% so say a 6k trailer and 1050 payload. 600lbs tongue weight + me and the family is 1030lbs without any gear or snacks. That's not super practical.

[AstulzerRZD]

Anyone have a Ford Ranger or would recommend one? F150 might be a bit big for parkades or undergrounds.

I don't like this segment because there are a lot of compromises unless you're really looking for an off roader.
Tiny cabins, terrible powertrains, rough ride quality, etc.

Tacoma? That 4 cylinder is criminally bad, there's nowhere to put shit, and hybrid loses under seat storage WTF.
Ranger? The center console deflects ike 3CM if you press it down hard enough .. but at least it has the best powertrain.
Colorado? Things are looking up; great interior, AT4X trim slaps, and is a half size larger than the rest.

Other options I like
Gladiator - I actually really like this, it gets all the Wrangler development dollars so it's actually kinda good ... but ugly.
Rivian - Similar footprint to other mid sizers but it's full sized inside and drives like a sports car.

[Jason00S2000]

https://i.ibb.co/Jwdjvksz/128285d6-722a-4249-b2c4-10eeaf7e91bd.webp
https://i.ibb.co/tPxZKsW9/shelby.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/20gS2Z1M/OIP-2.jpg

Ohhhhh yeaaaaahhhh...

[underscore]

I find it interesting that nobody talks about the Nissans. My parents had a 2020 Frontier and it was a good vehicle. I know people knocked it for being dated but it was well built and drove well. It felt like an SUV to drive rather than a truck which was nice. I liked it way better than the Tacoma I had for a couple days, the ride quality in it was way worse and even being empty and on a flat highway it was so gutless it was genuinely a hazard so I can't even imagine what it'd be like in BC.

Now they have a Titan, that feels like every other truck to drive which is to be expected for the size but it tows well at least. Pulling a 23ft camper that weighs about 6k and you barely knew it was back there.

[bcrdukes]

I think folks here on the forum generally don't care for Nissan. :p

[AstulzerRZD]

Yeah the Tacoma is just so terrible, really need someone to help me understand why it’s well loved.

Looks like Frontier actually offers a 6 foot bed? And it has the Mercedes 9 speed paired with VQ too?

[JDMDreams]

Because Toyota, I always kinda wanted an armada or qx90 whatever they call them now, but then gas prices here.

[trollface]

They hold their value like crazy

[underscore]

Yeah the Tacoma is just so terrible, really need someone to help me understand why it’s well loved.

Looks like Frontier actually offers a 6 foot bed? And it has the Mercedes 9 speed paired with VQ too?

I just realized the Tacoma had 2 engines available in the year I rented, and being a rental I'm assuming it had the I4. The V6 would've had power in line with the Frontier. The Frontier was looking pretty dated by then, I still liked the look of the Pro 4X, but the base models weren't as cool as the Tacoma and the interior felt a bit out of style as well. Unless somebody went and test drove both they're not going to know about the difference in driving feel so I can see why a lot of people went for Tacomas.

I don't know anything about the current Frontier but the styling is nice and if it's as long-lived as the previous model then servicing it should be a breeze.

[roastpuff]

Honestly I like the Frontier, it's being slept on for a mid-size truck these days.

[AstulzerRZD]

Anecdote: I thought my V6 rental was a 4 cyl - it was so gutless.

Turns out the trans refuses to downshift/constantly gear hunts is the #1 complaint of that gen. The Atkinson cycle V6 even has a torque dip between 2700 and 4k rpm wtf!

Got same fuel economy as a 2.7 Ecoboost F150…

Ranger wise the 2.3T feels way stronger than Tacoma current and previous gen V6, let alone the 2.7/3.0T

[TOS'd]

I don't like this segment because there are a lot of compromises unless you're really looking for an off roader.
Tiny cabins, terrible powertrains, rough ride quality, etc.

Tacoma? That 4 cylinder is criminally bad, there's nowhere to put shit, and hybrid loses under seat storage WTF.
Ranger? The center console deflects ike 3CM if you press it down hard enough .. but at least it has the best powertrain.
Colorado? Things are looking up; great interior, AT4X trim slaps, and is a half size larger than the rest.

Other options I like
Gladiator - I actually really like this, it gets all the Wrangler development dollars so it's actually kinda good ... but ugly.
Rivian - Similar footprint to other mid sizers but it's full sized inside and drives like a sports car.
That Ranger centre console screen is so ugly. I prefer the Horizontal > Vertical for screens that size.

[JDMDreams]

I wonder if Nissan has any fire sales, I heard they had pretty good deals on Pathfinder and new Murano in us

[AstulzerRZD]

That Ranger centre console screen is so ugly. I prefer the Horizontal > Vertical for screens that size.

Yeah with the ranger you’re really buying the engine/suspension/noise insulation and the rest of the truck comes free

[blkgsr]

Sierra EV?

Looking to get back into a truck and until this thread never would have considered an EV

i don't drive much. may be 12K kms a year, my work commute is like 12kms and should be for a while.

i used to have an 18 ram 1500 laramie and liked it. miss it.

[RabidRat]

Random other upside:

It's been getting pretty hot outside, and I use both our ICE car and our EV.

With the EV, I've just kept the climate control running out in the parking lot while running errands, and it's nice and cool when I get back in 10-15 minutes later. It's called dog mode or pet mode etc.

While with the ICE, there's no such option unless I wanted to be leaving the car idling out there.

When I'm gone longer I can get the vehicle to start the climate back up before I'm ready to go, and it's nice inside by the time I get back to the car.

It can do the same thing with the heating in the winter, except I mind that a lot less. Getting into a hot car to me is way more annoying.

[AstulzerRZD]

Sierra EV?

Looking to get back into a truck and until this thread never would have considered an EV

i don't drive much. may be 12K kms a year, my work commute is like 12kms and should be for a while.

i used to have an 18 ram 1500 laramie and liked it. miss it.

What did you like about Ram? I'm going to guess it's ride and interior quality, lots of space to put things, very comfy feeling.

Sierra EV has a lot of tradeoffs unless you're driving or towing super long distance. Big battery means it rides rough, the interior is low quality and the door panel armrests slim because of the midgate.

If you like the nice interior and lots of usable storage for laptop / gear, the Rivian is the closest thing; rides a bit rough but you're rewarded with sports car dynamics and steering feel.

A heavily depreciated Lightning Platinum with the massaging seats is a better truck than Sierra for most people; rides and drives super smooth, great app, better self driving than super cruise.... not many tradeoffs.

[RabidRat]

Midgates really need to be more of a thing.

For most things I was doing with the R1T bed, I was totally happy with 4.5 ft and would've been fine with even less. But often enough, I would've liked to be able to poke into the cabin for that extra few feet.

Imo the Subaru Baja was headed in the right direction: 3.5 ft long bed and a passthrough. Just wasn't the right time for it, I guess.

[AstulzerRZD]

Brb ford finally made a 5.0 with an AWD transfer case
On my way to slap a supercharger and launch this to the MOON

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a65044784/2025-ford-f-150-lobo-revealed/

Lebanon ford was already doing warranties 810HP GTs for 50k …. can’t wait for their dirt cheap lobo build.

[rymack]

So I’ve zeroed in on the lightning. I think it makes sense for us 99 percent of the time for what we need it for.

We have to get rid of the wife’s car first(2015 crv touring). Over the last few years the paint on the back of the spoiler has started to peel( apparently common on this age crv w pearl white paint). I was quoted 2-3 k to repaint etc and tbh I don’t have the time to dick around w finding a shop , setting it up , losing a car for a week , then selling it then buying a lightning.

So plan is to sell it as is. If it didn’t have the paint issue I would aim for 15-17 k for a sale(193km ) . But as it does what do y’all think I should ask /sell it for ? Interior is good . No accidents ( I think tbh I can’t recall if it had a claim when we bought it ). It was originally from Winnipeg ( we bought it 1 year old ) .

Dealership offered 10k in a “trade” ( ran it theough the auction) . But as we are leasing it’s the same as cash

[Badhobz]

how much is a the lease on the lightning? seems like the perfect mix of economy + utility .. other than when you have to tow stuff

[AstulzerRZD]

900-1300ish depending on trim.

We lease XLT Short Ranges and tow with them a lot - 200-250km city towing range.
$900/mo is cheaper than the gas bill on our 5.0s

[Ding]

It seems like the depreciation curve on used lightnings tapers off. I was hoping to pick a used one for cheap.

[Badhobz]

Honestly that’s pretty damn good deal for 900 bucks a month. I guess wait for employee pricing and sometimes Costco even has discounts…. Or is that only for GM cars ?

[AstulzerRZD]

It seems like the depreciation curve on used lightnings tapers off. I was hoping to pick a used one for cheap.

In Canada yeah - generally takes another year or two for prices to really drop because used supply is low.

The additional 25% tariff for upcoming Lightning/price increase doesn’t help either.

[AstulzerRZD]

Honestly that’s pretty damn good deal for 900 bucks a month. I guess wait for employee pricing and sometimes Costco even has discounts…. Or is that only for GM cars ?

This was when we had both rebates from government.
Even without it, truck pays for itself in ~90-100k kms and 4 years.

The gas bills doing 30-35L/100km towing on the gasser 5.0s is insane.

[Hehe]

I think it makes sense for us 99 percent of the time for what we need it for.



This sentence here is what pushed me and many of my friends over to get EV and never looked back.

Will I ever tow anything? Probably.

Will I ever RV with it? Probably.

Will I ever cannonball down to LA? Probably.

But for 99.9% of all my drivings, an EV would do a better job.

My CT drives easier than the last ICE pickup I had constant access on (F150 Lariat). CT is so much faster and more powerful.
I never need to drop it off for oil change, and I never need to look at gas station signs and complain about the gas price.
I stay warm and cozy when waiting my kids for their hockey at 5:30AM and no need to worry about carbon monoxide poisoning.

A lot of ppl say they aren't going to go EV because "oh, what if I want to tow fully loaded for 5000km non-stop down to Mexico?" when they have never even towed anything out of lower mainland.

They are paying all that extra so that they can stick with the status quo, when there are something better for 99.9% of the time.
Is EV perfect? No. But it is the ultimate city driving machine. There really isn't a single scenario that I can think of in city driving where EV isn't superior.
And really, for 99.99% of RSers, we are all city-babies. Except maybe 68style who had exiled himself. But Calgary is still a city last time I checked. :fuckthatshit:

[rymack]

I pulled the trigger on the lightning. Should be picking it up later this week.
Sub 900 tax in on a 4 year lease. Could have been less but added in stuff like spray in liner etc .

[Badhobz]

Congrats !! That’s great!!. 500 bucks for a stupid hitlerbox or less than 900 for a huge ass truck that can do it all.

[rymack]

One thing I need to do now is pick up a tonneau cover. Anyone got any thoughts on that? I’m thinking trifold?
I didn’t get from the dealer as I assumed it was a little over priced but that may have been an error on my part.

[Great68]

Depends how you're going to use it.

I have a tri-fold on my truck, my dad has the single piece hard-top tonneau that pops up with gas struts.

His is better in terms of security, and weather protection of stuff in the back. But it's useless if you want to use the truck bed for tall bulky items (IE appliances) or things you need to load from the top, IE A load of dirt/gravel. The downside is that tri-folds can be easily broken into by jamming a screwdriver in at the back and pushing down on the release cable

My dad's truck is a pavement princess that has never had dirt in the back, (the plastic bed liner is literally shiny as new. Mine has had many loads of dirt & mulch in the back, along with big items that I've folded the tonneau up many, many times. I'd say we have the appropriate tonneau's for each of our purposes:

https://i.imgur.com/n0EcQrU.jpeg

[68style]

We always went trifold on trucks at my work, the regular tonneau as Great68 mentioned creates a massive pinch point closer to the cab the height keeps reducing more and more and pretty much you can't put anything in the truck that's higher than the bed height unless you totally remove the cover.

At least with the tri-fold you can stack it up and sky's the limit... or a bridge in the lower mainland is the limit I guess.

[VRYALT3R3D]

get a raptor or trx

[underscore]

There's roller covers too, they're really convenient but you lose a couple more inches when it's fully open vs a tri fold.

[Fafine]

Also depending on your budget
There's diamondback https://youtu.be/517Fc3ZBd2o?si=EKmheDv8eEsDhUwj

Or there's some Chinese ones on FB 'galaxy' brand
It's pretty cheap I picked one up for my tundra for like 300, it's a hard trifold. Downside though, it seems very easy to break into if someone wanted to.
Also not a 100% seal from water and dust but it did keep most of the dust out when we went on a dusty fsr recently.
But 300 for a hard tonneau cover, hard to complain

[Suprarz666]

I personally ran a Bison tri-fold tonneau on my taco. Basically a copy of the popular bakflip. Pretty cheap if I recall($5-600ish?) and its free shipping across canada.

[red kryptonite]

i went with a oem aka bakflip trifold because i got it for cost, no complaints other than its not fully weatherproof.