[dark0821]

Roma Replacement......

Thank you for still keeping it V8 non-hybrid

Was very worried for further downsizing to V6 and electrification...

And physical buttons on the steering wheel are back

Conservative styling...

But you know... something to work towards.... for some of us still....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSDsL25mLXc

[bcuzracecarz]

Not sure why they renamed it, facelift more than anything else.

[acrophobia]

Needs more wheel gap.

[JDMDreams]

It looks the same

[underscore]

Why does it have Prius headlights?

[pastarocket]

Twin turbo V8 for 640 hp.

0-100 in 3.3 seconds.

This Amalfi is as beautiful as the Amalfi coast of Italy.


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[trollface]

Bad mpg, pass

[68style]

Looks good in the photos above but almost looks like a kit car in the video with massive ride height ???

[Badhobz]

I don’t give a shit about these things anymore.

What am I gonna do ? Drive and Pickup some bimbo 20 year old blonde in my middle aged corpse ? And then do what ? As soon as she opens her mouth and spew some “enlightened” bullshit I’d be wishing so fast that I’d just paid for a hooker.

These things don’t appeal to me anymore. It used to be a fantasy of mine to own a Ferrari. Now that I can afford it, I don’t even want one. Hell it wasn’t that long ago that I almost bought one. If it wasn’t for Ferrari Maserati being a cuntbag in 2019, I’d have a Roma in my garage instead of a ratrolla. Probably wrapped in a retarded color too.

[trollface]

Mistakes were made ^

Don't die not owning a Ferrari if you are able to. I've never heard anyone on their death bed wishing they spent more time with a Lexus.

[noclue]

I thought driving a rari with a 20 year old bimbo makes you feel young again?

maybe a lambro for badhobz?

[Badhobz]

Meh, you can give a shit about that. i rather buy this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPU9RqqXu7M

Im all about yacht life now. No more lousy cars, i got enough cars.

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2025-leopard-42-9826169/

Half a mill to have a floating house that you can take anywhere!? sign me up! im going to retire in 10 years and this is for sure something i wanna do. Sail around the world.

Don't die not owning a Ferrari if you are able to. I've never heard anyone on their death bed wishing they spent more time with a Lexus.

thats exactly what they want you to think. like owning one of these pieces of shits will somehow make your life better. it wont. its the same driving down to holt renfrew, you just get more eye rolls.

[JDMDreams]

Just buy a f430, this is gonna depreciate like a women's age:ifyouknow:

[teggy604]

If I didn't see the Ferrari badge, it looks like any other modern EV car.

[AstulzerRZD]

Without having seen the proportions in person, I would guess Celica (because of the Camry/Prius front end) or Prelude.

[AstulzerRZD]

Meh, you can give a shit about that. i rather buy this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPU9RqqXu7M

Im all about yacht life now. No more lousy cars, i got enough cars.

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2025-leopard-42-9826169/

Half a mill to have a floating house that you can take anywhere!? sign me up! im going to retire in 10 years and this is for sure something i wanna do. Sail around the world.


Much better deal than the rarri tbh.

I could get a 1BR condo + Yacht and Ferrari or I could get a 2 bedroom lol.

Saw a TikTok ad for this: https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2017-prestige-630-9819446/

[trollface]

thats exactly what they want you to think. like owning one of these pieces of shits will somehow make your life better. it wont. its the same driving down to holt renfrew, you just get more eye rolls.


I'll take my chances, worse case ontario I drive a Ferrari.

[Badhobz]

Much better deal than the rarri tbh.

I could get a 1BR condo + Yacht and Ferrari or I could get a 2 bedroom lol.

Saw a TikTok ad for this: https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2017-prestige-630-9819446/

i like a motor yacht too, but paying for 2000L of fuel to only go to about Portland is mind-boggling. Hell going from Tacoma to Vancouver at cruising speeds *around 18-20knots* takes 10h!!! 10!!!! FRIGGIN HOURS.

My inner chinamen would only let me buy a very very slow sail boat but wind is free.

[red kryptonite]

Just buy a f430, this is gonna depreciate like a women's age:ifyouknow:

https://a.pinatafarm.com/278x181/3274dfd313/cereal-guy-spitting.jpg

[Hehe]

I don’t give a shit about these things anymore.

What am I gonna do ? Drive and Pickup some bimbo 20 year old blonde in my middle aged corpse ? And then do what ? As soon as she opens her mouth and spew some “enlightened” bullshit I’d be wishing so fast that I’d just paid for a hooker.

These things don’t appeal to me anymore. It used to be a fantasy of mine to own a Ferrari. Now that I could bang a chick with one, I don’t even want one. Hell it wasn’t that long ago that I almost bought one. If it wasn’t for Ferrari Maserati being a cuntbag in 2019, I’d have a Roma in my garage instead of a ratrolla. Probably wrapped in a retarded color too.

Fix it for you. :lawl:

Seriously though, Ferrari's design has really gone downhill. Rumour has it that they were having problem selling all the allocations of the F80. And it went from like the absolute top VVIP to get an allocation from LaFa to basically just whichever Ferrari owner who could fork out the dough. And I don't blame those Ferrari aficionados though... to go from the beauty of LaFerrari to whatever they have now is painful to watch.

[Badhobz]

i hate to say it as im a die hard ferrari guy, but buying a bitch ass beetle makes more sense than buying this new roma replacement. Not only is it uglier than the roma, but its also like.... why? for the money they are charging for this thing (close to 400k sticker i assume) you can get a bitch ass beetle thats ugly and boring looking at shit, drive amazing, and similarly overpriced with similar reliability (new E turbo's) that both these peices of shits will be stranded on the road at one point.

I guess you can out douchebag porsche douche's by saying you have a ferrari... but you also have the gayest ferrari akin to the old california. While if you had a beetle, you would have gotten the big dick stroking GT beetle.

[Badhobz]

In hindsight I retract my statement above. I don’t even know why I would cross shop a lousy beetle with a Ferrari. That’s disgusting. I’m disgusted at myself for even thinking they are in the same category.

You see what Lexus ownership has reduced me to ?!? Not only do I hate cars now, I’m so utterly practical that I would recommend a bitch ass beetle over a Ferrari.

I hate myself.

[bcrdukes]

I mean, you woke up at 5am thinking about Beetles and the naming / nomenclature, soooooo...I think fate has it in store for you to become a beetle owner again. Don't disappoint us!

[AstulzerRZD]

Fix it for you. :lawl:

Seriously though, Ferrari's design has really gone downhill. Rumour has it that they were having problem selling all the allocations of the F80. And it went from like the absolute top VVIP to get an allocation from LaFa to basically just whichever Ferrari owner who could fork out the dough. And I don't blame those Ferrari aficionados though... to go from the beauty of LaFerrari to whatever they have now is painful to watch.

This is true, F80 are being offered to really anyone in the UK as well & the Purosangue is offered with a 40k* discount on a custom build.

Design fell off a cliff after they stopped working with Pininfarina.

[Badhobz]

Or…. On Richmond news shortly:

Crazy Asian fat guy tries and burns down Porsche dealership while spouting nazi slogans.

Middle aged richmond man tried to burn down Richmond Porsche all the while yelling offensive slogans towards staff and owners. No damage was done due to his inability to use a lighter. He was seen driving away ironically in a VW golf with the license plate NEIN.

RCMP later found the man at home passed out in his garage with his tiny dog. Police suspect that the man passed out due to fumes from his toy power wheels car that he was painting. Richmond news tried to reach his spouse but she refused to acknowledge their relationship.

[noclue]

The beetle used to be the practical, attainable supercar but I just priced out a plain jane Carrera S, not even a GTS/4S for over $220k + taxes... didn't even go crazy on the options.
Plus now ICBC deems all beetles exotics and doubled the insurance cost.

Might as well get a slighty used roma.

[bcrdukes]

I'm not defending Porsche, but can you and should you daily drive a Roma though?

[68style]

Crown Sigma has the same headlights

[Badhobz]

I'm not defending Porsche, but can you and should you daily drive a Roma though?

No, cuz if you have any modern day Ferrari with something like 20,000kms on it, it becomes worthless. Values plummet subterranean if it has high miles. Air quote high miles

[EvoFire]

The Roma and by extension the Amalfi would be worthless the moment you drive off anyways, it's a commodity Ferrari

[Badhobz]

All these exotics sucks.

But value wise, that base model 911 that’s 220k is the absolute worst trash can on sale today.

They used to be 10-15k more than a m3. Porsche was only a slight tinge above a bmw in terms of pricing and often cheaper than a Mercedes. Nowadays they elevated themselves to exotic car prices and you still get a beetle shape and a lousy Subaru engine. Fuck you porsche.

[bcrdukes]

I see you've ordered your Porsche jacket and cap :troll:

[noclue]

The thing that aggravates me the most about porsche are the nickel and diming on options that should be standard for the price point. Porsche snobs say that "oh that's how you customize your porsche (pronounced por-shuh) to your individual taste" BUT

You want full leather seats and dash so that your car doesnt look like a VW golf? That's $9k. Blind spot assist and adaptive LED headlights that were standard in a corolla from 2016? That's another $2k. Mediocre Bose sound system thats standard in a civic touring? $2K.

[JDMDreams]

How about you act like the blue collar manager you are and get a Corvette. Then put Ferrari badges on it:troll:

My GF said I can't get one cuz I'm not blue collar or brown :okay:

[Badhobz]

Poor Sha is what you’ll be after buying their insanely marked up bullshit products. You want a GT car ? You have to buy our shitty e-bike too. 22k !!!

I mean Ferrari does this too… but hey it’s a Ferrari. All these cunts with macans and 10k first gen cayennes are ruining your so called exotic opulence

[Badhobz]

I’d buy a z06 over a base model 911. It’s cheaper if you can believe it !!!

[noclue]

You can get a Z06 with the glorious flat plane V8 for the same price as a base carrera. Now that's a performance bargain.
Plus the facelift one finally fixes that weird wall of buttons.

[bcrdukes]

Let me be the bad guy here.

As much as we are all advocating the Z06 as the anti-hero, how many of you would be okay with its depreciation and alleged build quality?

Admit it. Porsche is the answer.

[JDMDreams]

Do they depreciate bad? Used 2020 c8 is still over $80000. A new one is about $100000 + tax. Can't be more unreliable than VW problems.

[Badhobz]

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15132417/porsche-911-carrera-s-road-test/

This is my biggest gripe with Porsche.

so in 2005 it was $74,000 cad for a base model 997 carrera. or $115,487.35 today
BMW m3 in 2005 was 65k cad for base model. or $100,890 today

in 2025, a base model 911 starts at $159,322.
while a base model m3 is only $97,924

40k jump on a worse car. its wayyy too big, its wayyy too expensive, and objectively uglier. Whereas the BMW basically held the same price and is actually cheaper than before.

Edit: no clue built a pretty standard beetle for 220k. That’s 100k over the m3/m4. There’s no way it’s 100k better than the m3/m4 in anything. I’ll take that pig nosed bastard 10/10 over the base 911.

[bcrdukes]

Do they depreciate bad? Used 2020 c8 is still over $80000. A new one is about $100000 + tax. Can't be more unreliable than VW problems.

I'm not shitting on Corvettes; I think they are great cars and have their pros and cons like any car out there. But let's be real. From a marketing perspective, Porsche, Ferrari, and what have you, have done a great job of creating this unobtanium and prestige that comes with ownership. A Corvette does not have the same zeal.

[pastarocket]

Overall, I think that Ferrari designs for their newest cars like the 296 GTB and the F80 are less appealing compared to their older models.

Once Ferrari ended its partnership with Pinifarina in 2013 in order to have more control over the car design with its own design studio, the cars have looked less appealing in my opinion.

Look at my avatar. Lamborghinis have a beautiful design. Revuelto >> 12 Cilindri.

[dark0821]

So earlier this year, those $230K Used Romas are good deals?

[JDMDreams]

No that should be a the new price for a base Ferrari.

[noclue]

Let me be the bad guy here.

As much as we are all advocating the Z06 as the anti-hero, how many of you would be okay with its depreciation and alleged build quality?

Admit it. Porsche is the answer.

A glance on autotrader it seems C7 and C8 Z06's are maintaining their values nicely, or the owner is out to lunch. Build quality.. sure it's made by bob in kentucky, but it's no longer the fiberglass bumper and chevy cobalt parts bin special in the past. Plus cheap parts and oil changes!

My 991 with full leather was nice, but just like the bentley continental if you look closely you start seeing VW parts bin as well. Plus all german cars seem to develop a rattle early. I had a 2005 Lexus LS430 as a beater in Calgary and that was a great example of exceptional build quality even though it was old.

I'm not shitting on Corvettes; I think they are great cars and have their pros and cons like any car out there. But let's be real. From a marketing perspective, Porsche, Ferrari, and what have you, have done a great job of creating this unobtanium and prestige that comes with ownership. A Corvette does not have the same zeal.

Porsche followed the scarcity trend that rolex/hermes/ferrari uses where you either have to buy their undesirable product line (taycan,macan,cayenne) and/or have a spending history to be graciously honoured with an allocation. As a customer, I'm not shameless enough to beg and kow-tow to buy a product at full price or above MSRP . Same goes for the civic type-r. We need another worldwide recession to kick this marketing tactic to the curb.

[bcrdukes]

I don't think it's fair to compare build quality of any Lexus to a Porsche. Toyota is WAY ahead of the curve there. :lol

[Badhobz]

You can’t compare Toyota build quality to German garbage. It’s not even close.

[noclue]

Ehh I dunno about modern toyota/lexus build quality. It's hit or miss like it seems in the effort to make fun cars toyota cut build quality from their budget, especially the ones made in USA/CAN.

1. Toyota Crown very good lexus like build quality. Toyota land cruiser awful hard plastics.
2. Lexus LX/LC still reign supreme in build quality but the LS seem like an afterthought no effort compared to the build quality of the LS430/460 in the past. Let's not talk about RX/ES/TX built in north america :(

[bcrdukes]

1. Toyota Crown very good lexus like build quality.

I fucking LOVE the Toyota Crown. My wife and I were very impressed with the build quality. It rides so nice too! We'll likely place an order when one of our cars dies (likely the Boxster first. The Corolla won't die.)

[Move over, RC-F!]

Okay, I think we killed this thread with Porsche trash talk. Sorry, dark0821 :D

P.S. - Porsche is stupid.

[Manic!]

Can you even buy a base model Porsche? Don't you need to spent an x amount on options to be able to order one. New Porsche dealership should be opening soon in Nanaimo. Hope to see then fill out there cars at our gas station. The new Subaru next to Porsche already does and same with Mercedes.

[EvoFire]

Can you even buy a base model Porsche? Don't you need to spent an x amount on options to be able to order one. New Porsche dealership should be opening soon in Nanaimo. Hope to see then fill out there cars at our gas station. The new Subaru next to Porsche already does and same with Mercedes.

You can now I believe, there's allocations for non-GT cars as buyers have pulled back. Overall the whole car market has slowed down significantly.

[AstulzerRZD]

What do you guys think about Portofino/M?

[Badhobz]

Ehh I dunno about modern toyota/lexus build quality. It's hit or miss like it seems in the effort to make fun cars toyota cut build quality from their budget, especially the ones made in USA/CAN.

1. Toyota Crown very good lexus like build quality. Toyota land cruiser awful hard plastics.
2. Lexus LX/LC still reign supreme in build quality but the LS seem like an afterthought no effort compared to the build quality of the LS430/460 in the past. Let's not talk about RX/ES/TX built in north america :(

I should have clarified my statement. I mean that LS, the one you had… those are truly generational cars.

My 2010 ES is still super quiet. Hadn’t skipped a beat since 2010. I had one issue with it so far. Ball joint went and dealership charged me 125 dollars to replace it. Lawl !

You’re right. Modern day Lexus is very much trash in comparison to where they used to be. The LC is probably the last Lexus I’ll ever buy.

[JDMDreams]

Dealerships fill gas? I thought they leave everything on E

[bcrdukes]

Hard to say for sure but probably yes. A lot of cars have gone unsold!

[Manic!]

Dealerships fill gas? I thought they leave everything on E

Subaru has been filling up a ton of cars. For a while they where coming 5 to 6 times a day putting in $20 in most cars but sometimes more. Hope Porsche does the same.

[noclue]

Isn't nanaimo surrey by the sea? where's the demand for a porsche dealer. nanoose bay/parksville for the old rich dudes? 911 for the hippies after they park their EV coming back from a pipeline protest?

[Badhobz]

I was gonna say the same thing. This is why that exotic mystique Porsche is trying to create by moving their 911s to exotic car status is completely asinine. Your bread and butter Porsche units are driven by prositutes and wives of middle management douchebags.

I guess they’ll sell a few more boring SUV’s in Nanaimo

[bcrdukes]

Isn't nanaimo surrey by the sea? where's the demand for a porsche dealer. nanoose bay/parksville for the old rich dudes? 911 for the hippies after they park their EV coming back from a pipeline protest?

I was confused by this as well. Then again, a lot of rich business people have properties in that neck of the woods and VIMC is out that way, so...:suspicious:

[Mikoyan]

I was confused by this as well. Then again, a lot of rich business people have properties in that neck of the woods and VIMC is out that way, so...:suspicious:

There's quiet money on the Island.

Lugaro Jewellers closed their Rolex arm in N Van and opened it up in their Victoria store last year. You wouldn't do that if there wasn't a market there.

[Manic!]

Isn't nanaimo surrey by the sea? where's the demand for a porsche dealer. nanoose bay/parksville for the old rich dudes? 911 for the hippies after they park their EV coming back from a pipeline protest?

Well you can afford nice things when you don't have to spend 2 mill plus on a crack shack.

Nanaimo has had a Mercedes dealership for decades and we also have a BMW and Audi dealership. They are all owned by the Gain group who also own VIMC.

[JDMDreams]

I'm always sketched as fuck if I test drive a car on e. Like I'm not buying this if I have to walk, and you're that cheap to put gas in what else are you cheaping out on.

[Badhobz]

I'm always sketched as fuck if I test drive a car on e. Like I'm not buying this if I have to walk, and you're that cheap to put gas in what else are you cheaping out on.

Did you type this while high on E ?!!

[underscore]

Let me be the bad guy here.

As much as we are all advocating the Z06 as the anti-hero, how many of you would be okay with its depreciation and alleged build quality?

Admit it. Porsche is the answer.

As opposed to the depreciation and known shit build quality of a Ferrari?

[bcrdukes]

As opposed to the depreciation and known shit build quality of a Ferrari?

People still lust after it!

[JDMDreams]

https://www.facebook.com/share/1CWn6PTqFy/

Special decoration for special people

[Badhobz]

DONT TOUCH IT! ITS MINE !!!! *gonna buy it to deface the shit out of it*

[westopher]

Every time a car like this is released, anything built before 2015 goes up by 10% in price.

[Traum]

Can you even buy a base model Porsche? Don't you need to spent an x amount on options to be able to order one. New Porsche dealership should be opening soon in Nanaimo. Hope to see then fill out there cars at our gas station. The new Subaru next to Porsche already does and same with Mercedes.
I seem to think that the Boxster / Cayman can no longer be ordered since Porsche has ended production for it altogether. That means your only option for a Porsche sports car is the 911, which starts at ~$150k. I believe there is a mandatory $25k+ requirement in options now for custom orders now. So when taxes and fees are added in, you're easily looking at $200k+.

I've love to find out how much of a stripper Macan you can get nowadays. In theory, it starts at ~$68k. But I don't think I've seen any new ones going for less than $80k.

[bcrdukes]

The Porsche Tax is real. No way you’ll get a stripper spec car.

[Badhobz]

As I said, the VW group is milking Porsche's brand and clients to extract as much as possible to keep the whole rickety operation afloat.

When you charge people 80k for a macan that has the same 2.0 EA888 engine as my hitlerbox (42k loaded to the tits, 32ish k if you want a stripper one with DSG) the same MQB platform, and a barely noticable 2 inch lift, youre stealing money from idiots who care about the porsche crest (which was sketched out on a napkin to bring more exclusivity to the brand instead of being a VW https://www.elferspot.com/en/magazin/the-history-of-the-porsche-crest/?srsltid=AfmBOorhPfjYnaoDglQvtzgvJeytFTnFTz18M6Axw UFEbsJXWf-RuYT6)

All the retards who keep saying the macan is the best handling SUV can eat a dick. its basically a golf.

[AstulzerRZD]

Isn’t Macan MLB - which included Audi A6-8?
Comparison with Golf R (55k?) or Q5 (62) probably better.

A 6k upcharge from a Q5 doesn’t seem unreasonable
Or 12k from Golf R might

[EvoFire]

The old Macan is based on the old Q5, which is now I think is 3 generations ago now as there's a brand new Q5. The Macan had an incredible 9 or 10 year run while still selling ok.

VAG's brand engineering is getting close to GM levels of insane, as you know some cars are basically the same underneath. We already don't see all of it as we don't get Skoda or Seat here. The Lambo Urus and the RSQ8 is basically the exact same car underneath. Which I think also underpins the Cayenne GT. Back when the Q7/Cayenne/Toureg thing came out, at least they kept the drivetrains unique.

At lease their cars don't look the same like back in the day with GM.

[AstulzerRZD]

Do people shopping in that price range think that way? VW sold like 5 phaetons and a lot more Bentleys.

What would you change if you put Macan on the newer platform?
The turbo 4 is competitive with B48, PDK >> ZF8, and GTS rides way better than X3MC and GLC63.
Driver assist came in 2018 and autopark in 2022.

At least VAG have kept the V8/10s, unlike Ferrari.

[Traum]

It's not fair to say that the Macan is basically a glorified GTI. The story for Macan's development sort of goes like this -- initially Porsche started chassis development based off the Audi Q5. But as they played with it, they weren't happy with handling dynamics of the Q5, so they started making changes and such to the point where the end product was ~80% different than the Q5. I seem to think only the floorboard and some other hard bits are still the same between the Q5 and the Macan.

So I'd say it's fairly juiced up Q5 that definitely deserves more money than a GTI / Golf R / Q5. But does it really justify the premium Porsche is asking these days? I honestly don't think so.

Still, I think everyone will agree that Porsche is really milking the Porsche brand for all it is worth. As good as all the different variants of the latest 992.2 are, C&D / MT are both saying that the base model 911 is now the sweet spot in the 911 line up partly bcos of how steep Porsche has set its pricing. Typically, that sweet spot designation goes to the GTS trim.
When you charge people 80k for a macan that has the same 2.0 EA888 engine as my hitlerbox (42k loaded to the tits, 32ish k if you want a stripper one with DSG) the same MQB platform, and a barely noticable 2 inch lift, youre stealing money from idiots who care about the porsche crest (which was sketched out on a napkin to bring more exclusivity to the brand instead of being a VW https://www.elferspot.com/en/magazin/the-history-of-the-porsche-crest/?srsltid=AfmBOorhPfjYnaoDglQvtzgvJeytFTnFTz18M6Axw UFEbsJXWf-RuYT6)

All the retards who keep saying the macan is the best handling SUV can eat a dick. its basically a golf.

[Badhobz]

Well fine if they tuned the chassis but it’s still just a VW parts bin special. The soul of the car, the engine, is the same as my hitlerbox that’s half the price.

[AstulzerRZD]

Yeah 911 pricing is nuts & Ferraris are now on discount.
Not much incentive to stay with Porsche unless you really intend to daily it.

[AstulzerRZD]

Well fine if they tuned the chassis but it’s still just a VW parts bin special. The soul of the car, the engine, is the same as my hitlerbox that’s half the price.

Idk, I finally drive Mk8 and thought it was kinda shite.
$500 lease is great but it’s loud, rough, not that dynamic, and controls are pretty doggy.

Sure, Base Macan isn’t a spring chicken but it’s a pretty big siffeeence in end result.

[bcrdukes]

Idk, I finally drive Mk8 and thought it was kinda shite.

This is where people will say the Macan handles very nicely and daily drives as good as a 911. I don't know if they are smoking crack or fell on their head. I've seen Macans on the track haul serious ass, but you have to wonder then, is the driver driving the car, or is the car driving the driver. :ahwow:

[Badhobz]

all these new cars are crap. its just how much you can stomach for the price you are paying. 500 bucks for hitlerbox is cheap compared to the 1500 they want for a lousy macan. is it 3x better than the hitlerbox? fuck off. once again pig nose m3 takes the cake here for 1600 a month, zero down, and with a manual transmission

[bcrdukes]

I'm waiting for you to get the M3 so I can follow suit. :pokerface:

[AstulzerRZD]

This is where people will say the Macan handles very nicely and daily drives as good as a 911. I don't know if they are smoking crack or fell on their head. I've seen Macans on the track haul serious ass, but you have to wonder then, is the driver driving the car, or is the car driving the driver. :ahwow:

They’re smoking and their criteria is different.

Their criteria is: if I whip this down Spanish banks or up the sea to Sky at like 50kmh over speed limit does it feel natural and eager.

Their criteria is not: how is the weight transfer, liftoff oversteer on Cup 2s.

I’d put a Macan S in the rough range of a C43/S5.

[AstulzerRZD]

This is where people will say the Macan handles very nicely and daily drives as good as a 911. I don't know if they are smoking crack or fell on their head. I've seen Macans on the track haul serious ass, but you have to wonder then, is the driver driving the car, or is the car driving the driver. :ahwow:

Equipped with the right tires, PTV to fight under steer and PASM/Air Suspension to fight body roll? It’s brilliant.

Either way, it can perform better while riding softer than GLC43/63, X3MComp and more engaging than C43/S5.

[bcrdukes]

At the end, it's just a GTI, right? :troll:

[EvoFire]

I mean, ultimately as the driver, are you capable enough to hustle a 4500lb SUV through the twisties? I can do it in my 5800lb X5 with a car full of people and luggage with a bike rack. The vehicle will deal with it with it's 275F and 315R tires. Most modern German SUVs will easily do 50 over on the highway in North America.

[noclue]

My favorite topic, porsche bashing much to bcrdukes dismay.

I struggle to see the value proposition of the cayenne compared to the X5. Interior room is smaller, you get a shitty VW V6 unless you splurge for the V8, you have to pay for options to get to the standard equipment of the X5 with the A+ B58 inline 6. And more expensive in price and service cost.

“But it handles better, like a porsche!” It’s an SUV not a track car.
“It’s quality german engineering” it’s made in slovakia former USSR state comrade (Yes im aware the X5 is made by bob in south carolina)

Either you buy the cayenne for the porsche badge snobbery or to get an GT3 allocation.

[AstulzerRZD]

Ok but the X5 is really sloppy … even an Escalade has sharper steering and body control.
Yes the X5 has higher capability but imo it shouldn’t drive as soggy as it does.

You’d really have to get M50 with the active sway bars and air suspension.

[Badhobz]

Dukes HATES suvs in general so im sure you can bash away at these macans and cayennes all you want.

Frankly the only reason i was looking at a macan was for the badge. Spy balloon is sick of these ultra reliable lexusususus and i think its time for her to pretend to enjoy german chassis dynamics when in reality its just a nice boost in badge whoring.

Ok but the X5 is really sloppy … even an Escalade has sharper steering and body control.

Vague off center steering, a lotta body lean.
You’d really have to get M50 with the active sway and roll bars.
WHAT?!? youre full of shit. I drove a X5 last year and i thought it was fine. I drove Red's X5M and that thing was FUCKING INSANE.

no way the base one cant out-handle an Escalade bro. you smoking something strong.

[AstulzerRZD]

Of course the M is better and the 40i has higher limits.

I did not say outhandle, I said Escalade has better steering & body control than a 40i.
Before you add all sorts of sway bar, air suspension wizardry; is the core product satisfying to steer and turn?

Also
capability != feel/body control
capability is geometry, mass, mechanical grip; can capture in a single number.

Handling feel and body control is transient & much harder to measure;
not 1 number, programs have like 100 different targets to optimize for.

[Badhobz]

Me too stupid to understand that mumbo jumbo above. But honestly you give me a base x5 with the b58 (mandatory) vs a lame ass cayenne and I’ll take the bimmer every time. For the seats alone. BMW seats are excellent. Porsche can eat a dick with their options and gay ass seats.

[AstulzerRZD]

40i drives sloppy as fuck even if it’s faster and turns better.
u turn the wheel and there is no added weight. Rolls worse than Escalade. B58 lags at part throttle.

Don’t like Cayenne either.

You’d probably find me in an Escalade V or Lucid Gravity if I had to haul annoying kids around

[Badhobz]

I gotta try that gravity. It looks insane. It’s a fucking mini van that can kill Hyper cars.

[AstulzerRZD]

Drives like lifted E39, very sharp.

[bcrdukes]

My favorite topic, porsche bashing much to bcrdukes dismay.

Fuck Porsche! I am not loyal to any brand. As I said before, I find them very frustrating to deal with as a customer. Any car that is older than rolling off the dealership lot, you are treated like a second class refugee. They have some of the worst after care customer service and have lost their way in terms of understanding customer lifetime value.

I will continue to drive my Boxster until I blow my engine or transmission, or I bin it into the wall at Turn 8 at Mosport and write it off. And while most people on here will cringe, I will over rev my motor on track days and peg the DME to trigger the overrev limiter. I’ve exceeded the DME’s overrev limits and its sits at 65,535 and it is stuck there, so suck it, Porsche fan boys.

[Traum]

Fuck Porsche! I am not loyal to any brand. As I said before, I find them very frustrating to deal with as a customer. Any car that is older than rolling off the dealership lot, you are treated like a second class refugee. They have some of the worst after care customer service and have lost their way in terms of understanding customer lifetime value.

I'm surprised to hear about the poor customer service. At least with the dealerships here in Vancouver and Richmond, they treat their customers very well -- it's just that in doing so, they charge you an arm and a leg for any work done on the cars.

[JDMDreams]

So it's better to buy a Maserati :troll: at least the doors go up

[underscore]

is the core product satisfying to steer and turn?


imo an SUV can never be satisfying to steer and turn because you sit so high up. in which case you may as well just be comfortable, and all the "sporty" SUV stuff added to try to make it handle better so they can pretend it's fun to drive just makes the ride worse.

[RabidRat]

B58 lags at part throttle.


In all B58 applications? Or just the X5?

I wonder why that is. Maybe an emissions thing.

[bcrdukes]

I'm surprised to hear about the poor customer service. At least with the dealerships here in Vancouver and Richmond, they treat their customers very well -- it's just that in doing so, they charge you an arm and a leg for any work done on the cars.

I find that as long as you buy your car from a specific dealer (doesn't matter which one) continue going back to them for service, say yes to everything they ask you to do, buy a $10,000 eBike, $9000 Porsche Design watch, and endless lifestyle wares, yes, they will be nice to you.

The moment you are out of warranty and you realize, "Oh, I actually didn't need this..." or you need parts for a DIY, and stop playing their games, you are dead to them.

Vancouver's dealership options are limited and the market is saturated. You have three in the GVRD - Porsche Centre Vancouver, Richmond, and Langley. There's Victoria and Kelowna but they are out of territory. Then you have a small handful of independent shops. Some are good, some are bad, and some just have no idea what they are doing.

[AstulzerRZD]

In all B58 applications? Or just the X5?

I wonder why that is. Maybe an emissions thing.

More X5/6 40i I’ve driven with mild hybrid - I wonder if they wait till the mild hybrid torque boost runs out before downshifting and spooling. Earlier M340i and such feel fine.

It’s usually in highway cruising then passing, it’s pretty sleepy. The Durango/Escalade drop a couple gears and the V8 gets to work.

[68style]

Ah youth, I miss those days when I thought I knew better than everyone and how everything worked and how everyone should think and feel about every thing :)

[bcrdukes]

Ah youth, I miss those days when I thought I knew better than everyone and how everything worked and how everyone should think and feel about every thing :)

:confused:

[AstulzerRZD]

hahahah yes I am insisting the Escalade feels nice to drive, more my cup of tea.

like I said X5 is good too and more capable, just not as sharp/direct when you're not ripping it.

probably put 3-4k km on both.

[Badhobz]

Ah youth, I miss those days when I thought I knew better than everyone and how everything worked and how everyone should think and feel about every thing :)

LOOK AT WHAT THAT MERC's DONE TO YOU !!!!!! BibleThump youre all philosophical and shit now.

[bcrdukes]

What have I done? :okay:

[68style]

I don’t even need to think anymore, it even lowers the ventilation system fan speed automatically when it reads messages on CarPlay so you can hear them better.

S class must give you a handy at rest stops.

[bcrdukes]

You've changed, man.

[68style]

They say if someone is your soulmate, you have to fall in love with them 10 times in your life as they change and evolve with experience… not sure which number we’re on but it’s just part of the process

[bcrdukes]

:mad:

[JDMDreams]

What kinda crack is this, how is this worth more than than an East Van condo or 3 mc20s :fulloffuck:

https://www.facebook.com/share/1FC6uCxPAH/

[68style]

Don’t check the price of a S/T it will really knock your socks off

[underscore]

What's actually special about that ugly Beetle apart from there not being many of them?

[Badhobz]

Douche bag factor increases as they artificially make less of these ugly things. Honestly if you watch that beetle factory they send these “special” beetles down the exact same lineup as the normal ones. Complete bs.

[underscore]

I can't really blame them, if I saw that those things coming off the line I'd be hitting the emergency stop button and halting production immediately as well.

edit: I looked it up, it's mostly a cosmetics package and the car is 2WD and manual which is apparently less common now.

[JDMDreams]

1250 units is a lot how's that limited.

[Badhobz]

I can't really blame them, if I saw that those things coming off the line I'd be hitting the emergency stop button and halting production immediately as well.

edit: I looked it up, it's mostly a cosmetics package and the car is 2WD and manual which is apparently less common now.

no youre right, you cant blame them. Maybe its VW (whos going completely tits up at this point) thats forcing porsche to churn these pieces of shits out to keep the group afloat.

Also RWD, with a manual is basically the base model carrera T .... and S/T..... and GT3.....

what the fuck? i hate porsche douchebags so much.

[68style]

S/T is cool because it's the lightest one and also has the GT3 engine... faster than a GT3

But they're going for $700k USD last time I checked lmao

[AstulzerRZD]

I don’t even need to think anymore, it even lowers the ventilation system fan speed automatically when it reads messages on CarPlay so you can hear them better.

S class must give you a handy at rest stops.

Ford Lightning and 2019 Kia Optima do this too

[68style]

+1 in the pro column for buying a 2019 Kia Optima

Still a -2,456,599 net score when factoring in the negative column though

[Badhobz]

S/T is cool because it's the lightest one and also has the GT3 engine... faster than a GT3

But they're going for $700k USD last time I checked lmao

1 million canadian dollars for a lousy 911 Stupid / Trash edition ?

Why not just buy a regular GT3 and stick an aliexpress Stupid/Trash emblem on it and call it a day. thats a 400-500k savings right there!

[bcrdukes]

68style vs. Badhobz fight @ Lansdowne Mall - Thursday, September 24 at 5:30pm!

[Mikoyan]

68style vs. Badhobz fight @ Landsdowne small - Thursday, September 24 at 5:30pm!

Someone bring a Beetle with AM radio.

[68style]

He would crush me… literally

I do know where his soft spots are though (hint: everywhere)

[Badhobz]

The blob will destroy you ! The blob !!!! Hoooho !!

[bcrdukes]

If any of you have been around long enough, this was a throwback to when someone on RS challenged Hyde to a fight at Lansdowne Mall back in the day. I think it was a BPT event, or meet, or something.

No fight will ensue....unless it's really happening. :suspicious:

[Hehe]

68style vs. Badhobz fight @ Lansdowne Mall - Thursday, September 24 at 5:30pm!

Let's get ready to rumble!!!!

[bcrdukes]

Let's get ready to rumble!!!!

Is this now a battle royale? :suspicious:
68style vs. Badhobz vs. Hehe fight @ Lansdowne Mall - Thursday, September 24 at 5:30pm!

[roastpuff]

Can we stream it PPV and fund RS server costs?

[bcrdukes]

Does World Star Hip Hop have streaming and PPV capabilities?

[Badhobz]

If any of you have been around long enough, this was a throwback to when someone on RS challenged Hyde to a fight at Lansdowne Mall back in the day. I think it was a BPT event, or meet, or something.

No fight will ensue....unless it's really happening. :suspicious:

I miss that dumb fucker. Stupid Hyde and his stupid Xmas Dinner no lobster thread. :pokerface:

[CivicBlues]

What name were you using back in the day Badhobz? Seeing as how you "joined" in 2016?

[bcrdukes]

What the, I just noticed that! :o

He had a different username back in the day, I think something along the lines of 604EastVanSentraBoI. Good chance I probably banned his original account. :fuckthatshit:

[CivicBlues]

I would have remembered a mouthy mother like Badhobz from this forum back in 2006. SO what was his naaaame???

[Hondaracer]

Timpo

[Badhobz]

2001Sentra was the name.... it got banned quite early, then i was uhhh b15Sentra or AznDoughy i dont remember which one... all got banned too.

[CivicBlues]

Doesn't ring a bell

[Badhobz]

Well i wasn’t AS big of an asshole back in the days. I was very poor.

It’s gotten a lot worse after I made money.

[JDMDreams]

Bradford chow? Arash?

[EvoFire]

Everytime I see a Z32 I think of Arash, it was Arash right? Trying to build a bodykit.

[bcrdukes]

Arash, it was Arash right?

Yes.

It is alleged (possibly proven?) that Arash is actually CharlesInCharge, who is restricted to Fight Club forum only.

[underscore]

looks like there was a b15sentra on here, but they owned a Skyline and lived in Kamloops which doesn't sound very Hobz like.

[68style]

Yes.

It is alleged (possibly proven?) that Arash is actually CharlesInCharge, who is restricted to Fight Club forum only.

It’s always best to keep a rash contained. Stop the spread!

[Badhobz]

looks like there was a b15sentra on here, but they owned a Skyline and lived in Kamloops which doesn't sound very Hobz like.

could have been me, who else would use such a horrible fucking username.

I probably just didnt change the location.... but i never owned a skyline. I could have been a giant fucking clout chasing liar back in my youth.

[Harvey Specter]

The Amalfi, like the Roma, will likely be used as a stepping stone car, something buyers are expected to purchase just to get on Ferrari’s list for limited edition models.

Beyond that, no one in their right mind would buy one. The depreciation on this car is going to be brutal.

[teggy604]

The Amalfi, like the Roma, will likely be used as a stepping stone car, something buyers are expected to purchase just to get on Ferrari’s list for limited edition models.

Beyond that, no one in their right mind would buy one. The depreciation on this car is going to be brutal.

If you have to play stupid Ferrari games. Would it work if you buy it 2nd hand at a depreciated price?

Would be far cheaper than buying new. Lol

[noclue]

If you have to play stupid Ferrari games. Would it work if you buy it 2nd hand at a depreciated price?

Would be far cheaper than buying new. Lol

If you buy used you cant get an allocation for a new ferrari. Second hand buyer, second class citizen.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a65402532/porsche-hikes-prices-second-time-in-four-months/

Another beetle price increase… however to porsche’s credit they were the rare ones to cut msrp when the CAD was stronger than the USD back in the days.

[Harvey Specter]

You have to either buy new or take whatever the dealer wants to unload, like an SF90 at MSRP, even though it’s lost half its value on the used market.

It’s a rich man’s game, and even for the average supercar buyer, getting an allocation for a limited series Ferrari is out of reach.

[pastarocket]

You have to either buy new or take whatever the dealer wants to unload, like an SF90 at MSRP, even though it’s lost half its value on the used market.

It’s a rich man’s game, and even for the average supercar buyer, getting an allocation for a limited series Ferrari is out of reach.


What about Lamborghini? I assume that a rich person would have difficulty buying a limited edition Lambo.

[dark0821]

Yea, but on actual limited production Lambo

If you wanted a SVJ back then, anyone could walk in and get a SVJ with 0 history.

Ferrari does it even with their "normal cars".... Oh you want F12? Have you owned our mid-engined V8? Oh you havn't? You can start with the Califor I mean Portofino ... and see me in 2 years....

Remember you are after F12, not limited, maybe "limited" by production cycle time before they retool for the 812.... etc etc

Remember Badhobz was turned down for trying to buy a Roma and that is with a Gran Turismo + maintenance with the dealer $$$$$, I dont blame people for getting turned off, I can imagine the buying experience is pretty horrible, and you are suppose to be the top 0.1%

[Harvey Specter]

What about Lamborghini? I assume that a rich person would have difficulty buying a limited edition Lambo.

Yes, for the one-offs and the ultra limited models, they select you based on your buying history. I was selected for an SVJ63 roadster, went to Monterey, and even spec’d it out, but decided at the last minute to walk away because the SVJ market was imploding back in 2019, and I didn’t want to drop close to a million dollars. Biggest mistake ever, the car would be worth $1.5+ million today.

https://scontent.fcxh3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/519035414_10171876367220175_3547687381462285389_n. jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=NATedHjZjdgQ7kNvwFtz6UG&_nc_oc=Adlls_B0t3wELBpd9wWrdfNwZyR90ffZ9X4DvbJFIqs fdX7-r9JS1a1ct4-uXrDmDsQ&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fcxh3-1.fna&_nc_gid=s6JBtpRixlK71m3_Qsoxaw&oh=00_AfRVcdygDByGkpepcfCEA6jn1FCKeFqdkwsv8ylMAuUF Ig&oe=687E1985

My Revuelto was a VIP car, one of the first 200 in the world. Well, it was supposed to be among the first 200. We previewed the car at the Lamborghini Lounge in NYC a few months before the public unveiling. We weren’t allowed to spec the car ourselves, only choose from around 10 preconfigured options. There was nothing particularly special about them either, no unique badging or anything.

Next month, I’m heading to Monterey again for the VIP unveiling of the next one-off, called the Fenomeno. It’s $4.8 million CAD with a 33% deposit. Only 29 will be built, with possibly one or two coming to Canada. You need a very strong buying history to be considered for an allocation, and now Lamborghini also looks at what other cars you own. Just for the VIP preview my dealer had to get approval.

[trollface]

This is why I got a golf.

[AstulzerRZD]

Yea, but on actual limited production Lambo

If you wanted a SVJ back then, anyone could walk in and get a SVJ with 0 history.

Ferrari does it even with their "normal cars".... Oh you want F12? Have you owned our mid-engined V8? Oh you havn't? You can start with the Califor I mean Portofino ... and see me in 2 years....

Remember you are after F12, not limited, maybe "limited" by production cycle time before they retool for the 812.... etc etc

Remember Badhobz was turned down for trying to buy a Roma and that is with a Gran Turismo + maintenance with the dealer $$$$$, I dont blame people for getting turned off, I can imagine the buying experience is pretty horrible, and you are suppose to be the top 0.1%

Is FoV this difficult, is this true for an 812?

Ferrari of Seattle let my friend buy a 812 for their first car, no prior Maserati/Ferarri history.

[68style]

Was he an iNflucanc3r?

[AstulzerRZD]

Not rly, somewhat influential in car community but only because he owned a DIY garage with lifts/tools for rent

[bcrdukes]

so, baller and influencer :troll:

[Badhobz]

i got turned down cuz 1) i only had a maserati and 2) roma was brand spanking new at the time... like there was an actual waitlist for it.

and last was probably cuz i wore kirkland shit into a ferrari dealership.

[bcrdukes]

i wore kirkland shit into a ferrari dealership.

This should have been your way in to bypass the riff raff for an allocation! :speechless:

[JDMDreams]

I still can't imagine they did this to hobz :pokerface::lawl:

https://media1.tenor.com/m/eIfzrBmtoRgAAAAd/more-than-you-can-afford-pal-fast-and-furious.gif

[Badhobz]

yes bunch of retards. Soured me on the entire ferrari ownership experience. honestly my maserati purchase experience was fantastic, they treated me like a king.

I heard recently you can just walk in there and they'll sell you a new roma like nothing. Whatever, im over owning these cars. Dont care anymore. Rather buy a yacht.

[JDMDreams]

There can't be a wait-list, I've literally only seen 2 Roma's since they came out. I see way more bentaygas, dbx, gt3s, McLaren than new Ferraris, I see urus at least once a week.

[Badhobz]

ive seen a few in richmond... it is the entry-level ferrari as harvey says, so they lose money like a rock. Wouldnt make sense to buy a roma for clout when its not as "sporty" looking as the f8, or whatever.

[pastarocket]

An acquaintance mentioned to me earlier this year in January that he bought a Maserati MC20 coupe during this past winter.

-said that he got a discount on the MC20.

-bit of a surprise to me and some friends who knew this baller that he bought a Maserati.

That guy kept saying that he was going to buy a 911 Turbo S.

Then boom! He buys an MC20 instead of the Porsche.

-not that impressed with the MC20’s engine.

3 litre Twin turbo V6. 621 hp.

Maybe he likes the butterfly doors on the MC20.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250717/c3f1dff39b48dfc2029cb6dfcfe89658.jpg


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[bcrdukes]

I'm curious why he didn't like the horsepower on the MC20? 621hp is a lot of power and for sure can only use a fraction of it on Renfrew and East 1st Ave. :p

[pastarocket]

I'm curious why he didn't like the horsepower on the MC20? 621hp is a lot of power and for sure can only use a fraction of it on Renfrew and East 1st Ave. :p

I mean in my last post that I'm not impressed with the twin turbo V6 setup with the engine. -not about the horsepower.

Maserati could not go with a V8 engine for the MC20? :considered:

[Badhobz]

im sure he got a major discount on it. they cant even give these things away.

When the mc20 is barely 200k, and a lousy base model beetle is 220k, which one would you pick?

[bcrdukes]

I drive an economy-based inline 4 and live in the poorest postal code of Canada. What would I know?

[Harvey Specter]

I got an 12Clindri allocation with no prior buy history. Only the limited models are hard to get and ever since Ferrari went public, they’ve focused more on profits and less on exclusivity. They’re pumping out models like crazy.

[JDMDreams]

What's the poorest postal code? East Hastings and main? But you also Porsche owner

[bcrdukes]

The Porsche is only in my head because I have mental illness and tell myself I own one.

[68style]

i
and last was probably cuz i wore kirkland shit into a ferrari dealership.

Should have gone in double watch, Patek on one wrist and Rollie on the other

[Badhobz]

I don’t like that snooty shit anymore. I just don’t care about cars. Even if I had one, it wouldn’t bring much joy, very whoopiee dooo.

[trollface]

I mean it looks 100X better than a 911

[JDMDreams]

I wonder how cheap you can get a mc20 for? $150?

[Badhobz]

It’s not the entry price I’m worried about. It’s keeping that piece of shit alive. I got a feeling Maserati is going to go tits up any day now. They are already talking about selling it.

I mean it looks 100X better than a 911

So is a 1992 Corolla DX. It’s not a very high bar to clear.

[noclue]

yes bunch of retards. Soured me on the entire ferrari ownership experience. honestly my maserati purchase experience was fantastic, they treated me like a king.

I heard recently you can just walk in there and they'll sell you a new roma like nothing. Whatever, im over owning these cars. Dont care anymore. Rather buy a yacht.

My dad went through a boat phase and after dealing with the BS of a boat you'll wish you had a ferrari, much cheaper to maintain! Nothing fucks up machines better than seawater. Truly an endless money pit!

[bcrdukes]

Wait until he gets stranded and then he’ll wish be bought the worst possible Ferrari. :fuckthatshit:

[red kryptonite]

the 2 best days of boat ownership is the day u buy it and the day u sell it.

[JDMDreams]

Hobs topless on his yacht with champagne :pokerface: yacht scene meat with Ferrari girl :ifyouknow::notbad:


https://media.tenor.com/i0dJgbryTUwAAAAM/big-pimpin-jay-z.gif

[Manic!]

Wanna buy a yacht? I got the deal for you. 88 foot yacht plus a house with dock in South Florida for only 5 mill USD.

https://youtu.be/_ar3qjDVm3k?si=d4CnaohU94ykYvSZ&t=479

The yacht buy itself is on sale for 3.5 mill.

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2015-maiora-custom-9689419/

https://images.boatsgroup.com/resize/1/94/19/2016-maiora-84-power-9689419-20250304134931810-1_XLARGE.jpg?w=1028&h=685&t=1741727074000&exact&format=webp

[Badhobz]

Hobs topless on his yacht with champagne :pokerface: yacht scene meat with Ferrari girl :ifyouknow::notbad:


https://media.tenor.com/i0dJgbryTUwAAAAM/big-pimpin-jay-z.gif

i havent seen her in a while, but i told her about my yacht dreams and she kinda hinted she has one..... maybe i go steal it.

[Gumby]

Insane price!

Used 2025 Porsche 911 GT3 with Touring Package (https://finder.porsche.com/ca/en-CA/details/porsche-911-gt3-with-touring-package-preowned-ZL29EP) for over $400k

[Badhobz]

Good. I hope someone buys it and immediately crashes it into a tree. That’s the only thing this overpriced piece of shit deserves.

[bcrdukes]

Sounds like something a buyer would say. :suspicious:

[EvoFire]

Insane price!

Used 2025 Porsche 911 GT3 with Touring Package (https://finder.porsche.com/ca/en-CA/details/porsche-911-gt3-with-touring-package-preowned-ZL29EP) for over $400k

Isn't that the kind of practice that got Porsche Langley in trouble with Porsche corporate?

[Badhobz]

Those corporate porsche douchebags arent any better.

They priced the base beetle so high its almost double the price of the M3. During the e90 / 997 generation, it was barely 10-15k more than the m3.

Its stupid. Its Ugly. Its overpriced and poorly built.

It isnt even good to work on as half the shit you wanna do requires an engine out or at least removing that ugly ass bumper just to get at things. Thus they charge 900 bucks for a lousy oil change and 2k for a service B maintenance on a stupid beetle.

[bcrdukes]

On the topic of oil changes, Porsche wants $700 to change the oil on my lowly 986 Boxster. :fuckthatshit:

I'll stick to DIY and Walmart SuperTech 5W40 @ $28/5L jug

[noclue]

1. Hard to find buyers in Canada for that kinda coin, maybe they’re looking for a US crypto bro.
2. For that price why would you buy that instead of a ferrari/mclaren/lambo?

[westopher]

Those corporate porsche douchebags arent any better.

They priced the base beetle so high its almost double the price of the M3. During the e90 / 997 generation, it was barely 10-15k more than the m3.

Its stupid. Its Ugly. Its overpriced and poorly built.

It isnt even good to work on as half the shit you wanna do requires an engine out or at least removing that ugly ass bumper just to get at things. Thus they charge 900 bucks for a lousy oil change and 2k for a service B maintenance on a stupid beetle.

I never thought I’d agree with hobz about the 911 but I totally agree now. The 992 is fucking lame as fuck. I’d rather get an m2 and an old anything for the price. Total poser cars now.

[noclue]

For the price of that GT3,

You can buy a new or used roma and have enough left over to buy a cayenne.
Or buy all new carrera S, a M3 and a cayenne.

Maybe im a pleb to understand porsche market pricing

[EvoFire]

1. Hard to find buyers in Canada for that kinda coin, maybe they’re looking for a US crypto bro.
2. For that price why would you buy that instead of a ferrari/mclaren/lambo?

That spec of the GT3 is exactly why it's desireable, performance, manual transmission, back seats.

As Hobz has alluded to, if you want anything more than a M3 with those requirements, the GT3 Touring is the only thing new on the market right now that can satisfy those requirements. Which is also the reason why I want one of them.

You can go Ferrari/McLaren/Lambo but nothing they make satisfies performance, manual, practicality in the same way the GT3 T does. Is it dumb? Yeah. But Porsche knows it that's why they released the Touring with backseats for 992.2.

[bcrdukes]

Looking forward to your new GT3!

[EvoFire]

Looking forward to your new GT3!

Want one doesn't mean I can afford one :QQ:

I'll go to sleep earlier tonight and dream about it.

[bcrdukes]

You lied about the color of your car and now you lie about not being able to afford one. You are a terrible liar! :D

[westopher]

That spec of the GT3 is exactly why it's desireable, performance, manual transmission, back seats.

As Hobz has alluded to, if you want anything more than a M3 with those requirements, the GT3 Touring is the only thing new on the market right now that can satisfy those requirements. Which is also the reason why I want one of them.

You can go Ferrari/McLaren/Lambo but nothing they make satisfies performance, manual, practicality in the same way the GT3 T does. Is it dumb? Yeah. But Porsche knows it that's why they released the Touring with backseats for 992.2.
M3 doesn’t even have that anymore I don’t think. Is manual even available? I think you’re bound to the m2 at that point. Which really is the m3. New m3 is an m5.

[EvoFire]

You can still get the G80 in manual, it only comes in RWD and you can't get it in competition trim, which means 473hp instead of 523hp.

There's not a lot of choices for a brand new performance car with stick and usable back seats as the Golf R has also been discontinued in manual. The below is really your choices in terms of performance levels

992.2 GT3 Touring >> G80 M3/G87 M2/992.2 Carrera T/Cadillac CT4/5 Blackwing/Mustang Dark Horse >> Honda FL5R/Acura DE5S/Toyota Grolla >>>>>>>>>> Subaru WRX/Hyundai Elantra N

There's actually quite a large grouping of them in the 100-200k price range (a fucking Dark Horse is 100k after tax and the Carrera T which is a glorified based 911 is 200k). Also can explain why the FL5R and DE5S has such a strong following as it's quite a bit stronger than the WRX in Elantra N imo.

[Badhobz]

Yeah but even at sticker you’re looking at 300k+ for that dumb ass car with a Subaru engine and a lousy beetle exterior. I don’t care if it drives well. It ain’t 200k better than the m3 by any means. Nor is it on par with a Ferrari v8 (although it’s neutered now vs fhe old one but it’ll still sound better than a Subaru flat 6). Like fuck off porsche…. It’s all hype. Utterly ridiculous and only reserved for douche bags and retards.

If you want the manual you also don’t care about peak performance or lap times as the manual will for sure be slower then the pdk. Then you say you care about the experience. Fine. can it compare to the old analogue experience of a 997 or a e46 /e90 ? No it’s still a modern car and it drives like one. Then what the fuck are you paying for here besides the douche factor!?!? That shitty sounding engine ?!? It sounds like a trash bin Subaru. Same tone throughout the rev range. It doesn’t even have a cam profile change over note. That garbage can just spins faster producing more trash white noise out of its ugly ass.

[roastpuff]

Calling the 911 back seat usable is a bit of a stretch.

[bcrdukes]

It is usable....as a storage shelf. :troll:

[noclue]

I dont think anyone considers practicality on a 400k beetle, if you have that much money you have another car for that.

Majority of people buy exotics for clout, very few buy it for track use. Nothing wrong with that as long as you dont make excuses like “I like the way it handles” on city streets yeah ok.. So if the primary purpose is for a status symbol why would you buy a beetle for 400k when most people cant tell the difference between a base model boxster and a GT2RS?

[AstulzerRZD]

It’s appeal being limited as a collectors item / Porsche enthusiasts is not necessarily a bad thing.

At the 4-500k mark it’s really about your personal tastes and lifestyle more than the car itself.

[westopher]

Thing is, when this was a 991, which was a better looking car, it was 200k.

[JDMDreams]

At these prices will it even appreciate? I don't think old gt cars are limited enough for it to appreciate much. Let alone the price you're paying for a Subaru h6. It's not even exotic # of cylinders, ppl are swapping k20s in and not v12s

[bcrdukes]

Wild how a road going car is worth more than their own race cars.

[Badhobz]

but its not a collector's item! its artificially limited by Porsche to keep this piece of shit profitable. They are playing the Hermes game and making sure you buy a crap ton of garbage before you can get your hands on the thing you actually want.

At least with a birkin or a kelly you can say the "craftsmen" had to train for 10+ years under the tutelage of a master bag maker before they are even allowed to touch the handbag. Plus, each handbag takes 24h from first stitch to last and created by a single craftsmen. one craftsmen, one bag, 24h time. Its so distinctive that the professionals can tell which craftsmen made which bag based on the way they stitch, the way they cut the leather, and attention to detail.

Look at that dumb factory video i posted. Literally, a GT3 RS is coming down the same line as the regular base model 911. Same with the engines. a bunch of unionized 20-30 year old german kids randomly screwing shit together via powertools. Does this seem in any way like craftsmanship to you? This aint no Takumi product like the Japanese. this is basically a VW assembly line. Now you want 400k for it!??!??! EAT A COLLOSSAL BAG OF DICKS PLZ.

As noclue said, i can buy a roma for 200k, have another 200k in my pocket which i can then buy a x5m and a few corollas for crashing into T&T. This is utterly stupid. i dont condone this sort of greed.

[JDMDreams]

Just buy the new lc500 inspiration

[Hehe]

My money is that hobz is saying all this while secretly working for an allocation for the upcoming LFA replacement. :fuckthatshit:

[Badhobz]

WHO TOLD YOU!??!!??! :pokerface:

wouldnt buy the first year production anyways and like 99% of toyota "sports" cars... they'll manage to cock it up somehow.

LFA failure
LC500 failure
F lineup failure
IS500 failure
BMW Supra mk5 failure
GR Ratrolla failure

the only success recently has been the GR86/BRZ. Enough to warrant 2nd generation and all these numerous special editions.

My next car will be a bus. driven by dark0821.

[bcrdukes]

GR86 should have been a failure with the Gen 1 torque dip. :troll:

[Badhobz]

blame subaru for making a shitty flat 4. flat anything is garbage especially from porschebaru.

[roastpuff]

I wouldn't call the Supra a failure

[bcrdukes]

It's okay. Everything to Badhobz is a failure because old man.

[Badhobz]

I wouldn't call the Supra a failure

well it wasnt a sales success either. Sort of like the original supra... very meh sales.

[JDMDreams]

https://www.facebook.com/share/1CesjTGN3K/

All you beetle back seat lovers

[Badhobz]

https://youtu.be/XJuvJ6gmAb4?si=c0yBMuUoV3wty6l6&t=370

trash bore scores

[noclue]

Dont care how great and advanced synthetic oil is, I’ll never go past 10k kilometers for a change. Germans schedule at 16k and land rover tries 25k!! Service advisors says its fine for normal driving, guess what heavy stop and go city driving is not considered normal by the manufacturer. Also dont like how thin the weights are too.

[bcrdukes]

Our Corolla is at 4,300KM since its last oil change and I'm already freaking out to figure out a weekend to change the oil. Hell no to this 0W20 nonsense!

[trollface]

I change my oil every 10 days.

[bcrdukes]

I change my oil every 10 days.

That's cool. How's the weather?

[JDMDreams]

You never have to change your oil if it burns or leaks, just keep adding fresh oil. :accepted:

[dark0821]

yea... lol like all the OG Integra Type-Rs hahahaha just keep V-tecing and add more oil after :D

[teggy604]

Dont care how great and advanced synthetic oil is, I’ll never go past 10k kilometers for a change. Germans schedule at 16k and land rover tries 25k!! Service advisors says its fine for normal driving, guess what heavy stop and go city driving is not considered normal by the manufacturer. Also dont like how thin the weights are too.

Its fine if you get rid of it before the warranty is up.

[pherio]

yea... lol like all the OG Integra Type-Rs hahahaha just keep V-tecing and add more oil after :D


Honda officially says 1L/1000km is "acceptable"

[westopher]

Honda officially says 1L/1000km is "acceptable"

Similar thing with the s52 on the e36 m3 and s50b32. 1 quart per 1k miles. Don’t do the 8k oil changes on a car that holds 5.5 quarts please.