[PeanutButter]

Graphic Warning.
https://x.com/_geopolitic_/status/1965851790714482943?t=yZAuHIGvWJPD1yb2Aw6TWQ&s=08

Alleged shooter
https://x.com/justin_hicken/status/1965848958464569704?t=i8fy4Jlj_Xlvv85kUK7v9Q&s=08

Charlie Kirk is in critical condition. I don't know if he's going to make it.

[bcedhk]

Murica. Lots of thoughts and prayers spreading right now on his IG.

Looks like it hit the jugular?

[RevYouUp]

He was like a fruit gusher in the video I watched. No way he’ll survive that

[MarkyMark]

Yeah dude was probably dead by the time he fell out of his chair, just no one has confirmed it yet.

[Eatman]

Yeah dude was probably dead by the time he fell out of his chair, just no one has confirmed it yet.

https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1965878262942347440

he died

[unit]

associated press says he has died
wiki has already updated lol

[Gumby]

Holy shit! Pretty much impossible to survive a shot like that...

[bcedhk]

Graphic Warning.
https://x.com/_geopolitic_/status/1965851790714482943?t=yZAuHIGvWJPD1yb2Aw6TWQ&s=08

Alleged shooter
https://x.com/justin_hicken/status/1965848958464569704?t=i8fy4Jlj_Xlvv85kUK7v9Q&s=08

Charlie Kirk is in critical condition. I don't know if he's going to make it.

I don't think they actually have the shooter?

from the AP:

The suspected shooter has not been arrested, Orem, Utah, Mayor David Young said. A person who was taken into custody by law enforcement at the university where Kirk was speaking was not the suspect, according to a person familiar with the investigation who was not authorized to speak publicly.

[GS8]

Don't have to like what he did for a living but at the end of it all:

His 2 children are going to ask "where is Dad and why isn't he coming home?"

The wave of potential mental illness that will sweep over the crowd of people who watched something that violent and grotesque. That shit burns into your brain and not everyone will casually go about their day. It could take a long time for some of those people to recover.

This is what happens when the political spectrum gets reduced to political tribalism.

[murd0c]

Right when I saw the close up video after it happened I knew it was an instant death. No one will survive a shot to the neck like that. I might not agree with everything he says but no one deserves to die for having a different opinion of things.

[Traum]

Holy shxt is right...

On the other hand, news sites are still saying police are out looking for the suspect, so the balding old guy in the first post's video may not be the attacker after all.

[Manic!]

Don't have to like what he did for a living but at the end of it all:

His 2 children are going to ask "where is Dad and why isn't he coming home?"

The wave of potential mental illness that will sweep over the crowd of people who watched something that violent and grotesque. That shit burns into your brain and not everyone will casually go about their day. It could take a long time for some of those people to recover.

This is what happens when the political spectrum gets reduced to political tribalism.

Some are saying his family was at the event.

[Gerbs]

No idea how that isn't an instant kill

[murd0c]

No idea how that isn't an instant kill

It for sure was but they wanted to take him away first and then wait to release it at the proper time.

[Great68]

https://www.cpr.org/2025/09/10/evergreen-high-school-shooting/

I feel like this school shooting in Colorado that critically injured 3 kids today should be a bigger deal in the news than this douchebag

But no. Fuck kids I guess.

[whitev70r]

^ nowadays, shootings in school are so common that it gets mentioned on a side bar. State of America.

[SkinnyPupp]

^ nowadays, shootings in school are so common that it gets mentioned on a side bar. State of America.
Kirk did a lot of work to help make sure this is the case

[Badhobz]

I don’t know who he is/was nor do i really care. If you advocate 2nd amendment shit and you got taken out by some nut job with a gun, THATS KARMA BABY !!!

[supafamous]

I don’t know who he is/was nor do i really care. If you advocate 2nd amendment shit and you got taken out by some nut job with a gun, THATS KARMA BABY !!!

The irony of it all is even better as he said gun deaths were a necessary side effect of gun rights when asked about school shootings and he was shot at a school and his event was called "Prove Me Wrong" and he was sitting under that sign when it happened.

He sorta lost the gun debate getting shot at a school sitting under a sign that challenged people to prove he was wrong.

Presumably he's not a hypocrite so he must have died believing that the gunman was just exercising his 2nd amendment rights that he fought so hard for and that his death was just proving the point. He'd probably be really, really mad if this was the thing that cause Republicans to finally want to do something about gun violence cause his death would then be in vain. At least his last few words were transphobic and racist so he was consistent in the end about his beliefs.

[underscore]

In his own words:

"I think it's worth it. I think it's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."

[CivicBlues]

So am I the only one who doesn't know who this guy is? I can't keep track of all the right-wing grifters this decade is pumping out. Sounds like he's more famous for getting shot than anything else.

Does this really deserve it's own thread? and a duplicate discussion on the Trump thread?

p.s that's a hard 31.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Charlie_Kirk_%2854670961811%29_%28cropped%29.jpg/960px-Charlie_Kirk_%2854670961811%29_%28cropped%29.jpg

[whitev70r]

I'm going to guess the killer is military ... not easy to be so accurate from 200 yrds away (which was reported in the news), that's the length of 2 football fields.

[supafamous]

So am I the only one who doesn't know who this guy is? I can't keep track of all the right-wing grifters this decade is pumping out. Sounds like he's more famous for getting shot than anything else.

Does this really deserve it's own thread? and a duplicate discussion on the Trump thread?

p.s that's a hard 31.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Charlie_Kirk_%2854670961811%29_%28cropped%29.jpg/960px-Charlie_Kirk_%2854670961811%29_%28cropped%29.jpg

Stephen Miller, age 40, would like a word about looking rough

https://www.splcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/web_extremist-files_stephen-miller-0720.jpg

It's remarkable how being a vile human being causes one to age 50% faster than a normal person.

re: Kirk - until today I didn't realise how vile a person he was and how big his reach was. I knew he was a shit stain but I didn't know the depths of his depravity whether it was the racism, the misogyny, the transphobia, the homophobia etc. The man didn't leave any stone unturned when it came to creating hate.

[RevYouUp]

lol you seem to have so much hate and emotion built in you supa, definitely need some therapy. Someone you don’t know personally shouldn’t affect you that much.

TBH Charlie’s reels show up on my feeds sometimes, he always debated and argued with logic and never screamed, swore and yelled like the opposition. I don’t think he ever even used curse words. I always just found his shit funny and never took it seriously, you shouldn't either. He was more of a social media influencer if anything. You got some real hate talking shit about him when the guy just died in front of the whole world with his video forever being posted on then internet for his kids to see in the future. Crazy thing is he’s probably half your age. Be a real man you already won, the guy is dead

[ssjGoku69]

I've never heard of this guy before today, but I found this clip of him in reddit comments when trying to look for the uncensored shooting video.

https://x.com/MarcWatkinsEsq/status/1853033343467585562

[unit]

i think that guy in the crowd might be cenk uygur

[Badhobz]

It's remarkable how being a vile human being causes one to age 50% faster than a normal person.

no... thats not it. its probably cuz all of us modern day dudes are lacking testosterone and thus why we all turned into a bunch of bitches.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F5SPkfcloY

[68style]

Is that why you're 70? Too much o dat T?

Should we call you MR T?

[Mr.Money]

tried clicking the link in the first post... amazed twitter took down the video... usually they do not give a fuck about anything.

[GLOW]

i think that guy in the crowd might be cenk uygur

it was

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

lol all he did was debate people on university grounds.

In my mind, if I walk through a university, there should be debates like this happening left right and centre. every classroom should be debates. there should be auditoriums full of people debating each other and people taking notes.

the current state of post secondary is a joke. the professors are complete idiots. the institutions are completely corrupt....

and the KIDS at these schools have been given way too much ego and power... they are nothing... students are nothing. no body should respect them or give them time of the day until they make it in the real world. lol. they should be treated as kids.

professors should have to have a neutral stance on all politics. all religions. im sorry. like a judge... you shouldn't have any bias when your job is to "indoctrinate" people under you.

白左 is a societal disease. Even the COMMUNIST chinese laugh at these kind of "leftist"...

if any of you guys have children, it would be the dumbest thing to send them to university. you're gonna waste your money, and your kids are gonna come out dumber than they went in.

all they're gonna do is learn how to argue with key terms. masters of discourse... no real thought or critical thinking. just regurgitating some text book definition. zero life experience. throwing these Neo key terms and definitions around like they were written by God himself LOL. complete idiots.

[SkinnyPupp]

lol all he did was debate people on university grounds.


Stopped reading after this. This is fiction, so everything else must be too

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

The haughty halt at the opening line, mistaking their laziness for insight.

[SkinnyPupp]

Anyone else remember Ulic pre-DMT?

[AzNightmare]

This thread title probably needs to be updated.
He's not in critical condition anymore...

[SkinnyPupp]

Shooter identified as 22-year-old Utah resident Tyler Robinson, who was a regular church goer who lived with his cop dad who is also a LDS minister and liked to take him to gun ranges and on hunting trips.

[Badhobz]

another young gunmen... man these gen z fuckers are angry. remind me not to piss off facetroll, he'll come blasting when i make fun of his mop head haircut.

[SkinnyPupp]

These people are taught by the Charlie Kirks and Ulics of the world to hate themselves. And this is what happens

[whitev70r]

Shooter identified as 22-year-old Utah resident Tyler Robinson, who was a regular church goer who lived with his cop dad who is also a LDS minister and liked to take him to gun ranges and on hunting trips.

Hmmm ... you'd think that a person with this profile would be a total Kirk disciple & follower. Curious to see how this story unfolds and the motive. It isn't the typical kind of suppressed anger, hate oneself, that goes on a shooting rampage at a school. Guy was singularly focused and a helluva shooter.

[supafamous]

https://www.threads.com/@brittainforsenate/post/DOgVCzZkiP_?xmt=AQF0ADntkSc39XbaBB0tHRdTiWszVL8Nxh mm8ZkeFfJ7UA

LOL, the shooter wrote on the 3rd shell casing "If you read this you are gay, LMAO"

That could be anyone in the group chat

[donk.]

Social media is FILLING with memes on this guy

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHn8nrAD52h9B3IX-NKKN3mUk3R6qFOML1LZce8b9pEw&s=10

[unit]

id say don't believe much that you read about this guy when it comes to political leanings and motives for at least 1-2 days... there is nothing but disinformation when this type of news breaks.

[donk.]

re: Kirk - until today I didn't realise how vile a person he was and how big his reach was. I knew he was a shit stain but I didn't know the depths of his depravity whether it was the racism, the misogyny, the transphobia, the homophobia etc. The man didn't leave any stone unturned when it came to creating hate.

I actually have to agree with supa, the way the guy talked, you could tell he was hella racist and stuck in his own one sided opinions deeply inside

The calm "lets debate this" figure is just a cover for him loving to rip on anything he disagreed with

The video goku posted with the c comments, is his true self coming out

[VRYALT3R3D]

Thankfully his killer has been captured very quickly.

[unit]

like i said that guy in the crowd was political commentator cenk uygur.
charlie was calling him by his first name, cenk, which sounds like the c word.
charlie may have been a POS but the video is a nothingburger

[donk.]

The internet is here to divide us!

RS left and right unite!

[bcrdukes]

another young gunmen... man these gen z fuckers are angry. remind me not to piss off facetroll, he'll come blasting when i make fun of his mop head haircut.

Maybe you shouldn't come to the Stock and Noob Meet. :lol

[68style]

My money is on uliq to be the next shooter in Canada

[murd0c]

His dad turned him in, talk about sad for his dad that must of been so fricken hard.

[bcrdukes]

His dad turned him in, talk about sad for his dad that must of been so fricken hard.

Ouch. That must have been a very difficult decision for him. Can't imagine what they now have to both live with.

[Traum]

From the information that has been released by the police, it sounds like this Tyler dude had help with the shooting. So I wonder when his accomplice is gonna get caught as well...

[PeanutButter]

Sheesh. What's the play if you find out your son just assassinated someone?

That's pretty messed up.

[bcrdukes]

You should get involved and help them out, PeanutButter.

[PeanutButter]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c206zm81z4gt

A clergy member helped turn in suspect

We have more details about how Robinson was turned in to law enforcement.

Two law enforcement sources tell CBS News, the BBC's US partner, Tyler Robinson's father relayed his son's confession to a clergy member - the family friend we heard about earlier.

That clergy member took the tip to the US Marshals Service, and then Robinson was detained.

Earlier in the morning, President Trump told Fox News that a "minister" was involved in helping authorities detain Robinson.

It is unclear what religion or denomination the clergy person is affiliated with.

[PeanutButter]

You should get involved and help them out, PeanutButter.

I'm working on trying to stay out of things...

[whitev70r]

It is unclear what religion or denomination the clergy person is affiliated with.

It's Utah ... 99.9% chance it is Mormon.

Surprised that shooter's father, family didn't share with PB and asked him for his opinion through this.

[whitev70r]

Q: did the father get the $100K, FBI reward for information leading to his arrest?

[supafamous]

Q: did the father get the $100K, FBI reward for information leading to his arrest?

He is also in line for a $1m from Bill Ackman as he put up a reward as well.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

My money is on uliq to be the next shooter in Canada

well I just took the opposite bet, so pay up next time. cuz you're gonna lose this bet for sure.

I bet that you're gonna justify the next assassination. whoever that person is, you're gonna justify it with some personal value you have.

I put my money on that.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Anyone else remember Ulic pre-DMT?

yeah you mean the immature angry kid that would also be cheering when someone got killed?

all life is precious. no matter their views or beliefs.

maybe you should smoke some DMT too lol.

I don't even kill bugs now.

[Badhobz]

yeah you mean the immature angry kid that would also be cheering when someone got killed?

all life is precious. no matter their views or beliefs.

maybe you should smoke some DMT too lol.

I don't even kill bugs now.

What ?!? You no stomp bugs ?!?? You fucking libtard! Smash that shit bugs got no feerings.

[Manic!]

all life is precious. no matter their views or beliefs.



So you don't believe in the death penalty?

[mikemhg]

No one should die for their views, but I'm a firm believer you play with fire you can get burned.

Let's not pretend Charlie Kirk was some angel of a man, he ran a network pushing some very divisive and racist ideas. He pushed white supremacist ideologies, spewed a lot of hateful and racist rhetoric. This is the same guy who claimed that empathy is bullshit, proposed that black people were too stupid to attain the skills and education to enter career fields such as being a pilot, and that if you saw a black pilot it was simply because "DEI", the now classic dog whistle of the modern era.

Imagine being a young black kid and hearing this asshole come to your school trying to indoctrinate other kids by spreading that type of bullshit? Fuck that.

Words matter, and when you push out hate, hate can come back your way. I feel for the man's family, but he died playing this culture war game to his own economic benefit that is destroying society.

There is an irony is many ways that he died while trying to spread a falsehood that gun violence is perpetrated by "trans" people and "gangs" aka negros, meanwhile 99% of mass shootings are conducted by white men, notably the man who shot him.

[Badhobz]

It’s true. Last time i recall a black guy doing a mass shooting was that sniper dude who shot people out of his van… that’s like 10 years or more…

US is fucked. You elected that guy, unfortunately you’re stuck with him for the next 3.5 years. GOOD RUCK WITH THAT!

[whitev70r]

I find myself right where mikehmg is in terms of perspective on this incident. Didn't like the guy, did a lot of harm with his rhetoric but didn't 'deserve' to be assassinated and I feel for his family.

... you can call it Ebony and Ivory ... I mean mikey and I.

[whitev70r]

It's starting to come out ..

Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin lived with transgender partner who is now cooperating with FBI: Officials

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/charlie-kirks-assassin-lived-transgender-partner-who-now-cooperating-fbi-sources

Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin lived with his transgender partner, senior-level FBI officials told Fox News Digital.

Bureau officials confirmed that Tyler Robinson, 22, was in a "romantic relationship" with the unnamed person, who is a male transitioning to a female, and that they shared an apartment in Saint George, Utah. Those FBI officials told Fox News Digital that Robinson's partner is fully cooperating with the FBI's investigation.

[Manic!]

Ya they are not racist.

https://x.com/shannonrwatts/status/1966526377550606798

[CivicBlues]

It’s true. Last time i recall a black guy doing a mass shooting was that sniper dude who shot people out of his van… that’s like 10 years or more…

US is fucked. You elected that guy, unfortunately you’re stuck with him for the next 3.5 years. GOOD RUCK WITH THAT!

Dude, the DC sniper was like 23 fucking years ago.

Excuse me while I go cry.

[Harvey Specter]

The Utah governor is a dope. On one hand, he’s basically dog whistling that he hoped it was a foreigner and on the other he’s preaching about both sides needing to calm down and lower the division. Make up your mind.

[Harvey Specter]

Btw, he had an interesting call with Trump...


Trump Called Utah Governor With Grim Warning Moments After He Spoke at Charlie Kirk Press Conference.

Speaking to The Atlantic‘s McKay Coppins, Cox said Trump called him not long after he gave an impassioned plea for peace in the wake of Kirk’s death on Friday.
“‘You know, the type of person who would do something like that to Charlie Kirk would love to do it to us,'” Trump said, according to Cox. Trump then informed Cox that being president is “one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet,” rattling off stats that 15% of those to occupy the White House had been shot. And 8% have died at the hands of an assassin.

[AzNightmare]

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2025/09/12/was-charlie-kirk-shooter-trained/86100160007/

Apparently hitting someone in the neck from 150 yards is easy with a bolt-action rifle. Just like the movies...

I would have expected the shooter to have military experience or something.

[whitev70r]

AzNightmare reads from a source Azcentral ... :fulloffuck:

[Presto]

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2025/09/12/was-charlie-kirk-shooter-trained/86100160007/

Apparently hitting someone in the neck from 150 yards is easy with a bolt-action rifle. Just like the movies...

I would have expected the shooter to have military experience or something.

The article seems to boil down to the point that marines with basic training could've done this.


Every U.S. Marine Corps recruit in basic training must hit a human-size silhouette target at 200, 300 and 500 yards to graduate, Pleasants said; U.S. Army soldiers must hit a target at 300 meters, or 350 yards.

I don't think those are head shots that marines gotta hit. The shooter had tons of experience with a rifle and his shot was able to land a lethal hit because he was trained.

[GS8]

It's starting to come out ..

Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin lived with transgender partner who is now cooperating with FBI: Officials

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/charlie-kirks-assassin-lived-transgender-partner-who-now-cooperating-fbi-sources

Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin lived with his transgender partner, senior-level FBI officials told Fox News Digital.

Bureau officials confirmed that Tyler Robinson, 22, was in a "romantic relationship" with the unnamed person, who is a male transitioning to a female, and that they shared an apartment in Saint George, Utah. Those FBI officials told Fox News Digital that Robinson's partner is fully cooperating with the FBI's investigation.

https://i.imgur.com/qPBQ8nH.gif

[CivicBlues]

ho lee shit, this is still going on? Even Trump's attempted assassination didn't get as much attention as this nobody getting capped.

[Badhobz]

Soooo 22 year old dude was angry with this guy cuz his tranny boy/girlfriend is offended by this racist asshole ?

Seems reasonable enough to start blasting :heckno:
This is exactly why arming the nation full of retards is a bad idea.

[Gumby]

So, are they gonna use this incident and say transgender = bad?

[Manic!]

Looking at pics I don't think his roommate was trans.

This video was released last month.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2Twh88BHD4

[SkinnyPupp]

So, are they gonna use this incident and say transgender = bad?
They keep trying to blame everything on trans - they did it with the shooter himself before he was identified. It's part of what made Charlie Kirk such a rotten piece of shit, and not "someone with different opinions". This is the exact rhetoric he was spreading right before he was removed from our existence.

[Manic!]

Does this look trans to you?

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/09/13/21/102110513-15095195-Lance_Twiggs_who_lived_with_Tyler_Robinson_in_a_th ree_bedroom_ap-a-25_1757795845923.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

Let's not turn this into a "transvestigation" thread, but if they are trans, and they were romantically partnered rather than roommates or whatever, that would certainly fit into the 4chan archetype. If not, whatever, who cares

If he's a groyper, and dating a trans, that does NOT make him a leftie lol. The insane alt right HATES women, and are very much into trannies. It would be the opposite of what some people are hoping for.

Trump, Republicans, etc all know what this guy is about, that's why they're not talking about him anymore. The civil war was called off. This is alt right going after far right. It's the worst case scenario for them.

[whitev70r]

Just started to do a little bit of reading on Groyper and their relationship to the right (gawd, I hope I don't start getting their sh*t in my feed now) but one key point is their view on Israel. Groyper, think Nazi Germany, hates Israel. So imagine their view on Republicans and how they bow down to Jews and Israel in everything, economically and politically. They think people like Kirk are traitors, opportunist, and 'moderates' to the real cause ... so one of them eliminated Kirk.

You can see how the Republicans are pivoting and not talking about radical left behind the killing anymore and skinny said. Terrible for Republicans but great that this might be the thing that will result in far right/alt right movement implosion ... hopefully.

[GS8]

Does this look trans to you?

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/09/13/21/102110513-15095195-Lance_Twiggs_who_lived_with_Tyler_Robinson_in_a_th ree_bedroom_ap-a-25_1757795845923.jpg

Are you asking because you already 'celebrated Palm Sunday' to this photo? No judgement here...

[donk.]

If someone celebrates palm sunday to that photo, does that make them straight, gay, ion+, genderfluid or cisgender?

[Harvey Specter]

Groyper is alt-right, basically think of it as 4chan trolls being more organized and taking directions from one person.

I don’t even think Trump and MAGA groups realize how dangerous this group is becoming. Instead, they’ll blame this shooting on the left and move on, until one of these deranged idiots kills someone else who’s MAGA.

[Manic!]

Kirk saying Biden should get the death penalty.


https://streamable.com/9li1nh?src=player-page-share

[rymack]

So I’ll start off saying that I struggle taking black and white positions on these things …wife says I have oppositional defiance disorder to which I reply “no I don’t”.

I listened to Charlie Kirk on Gavin’s Newsome podcast. I’ve seen some of the quotes attributed to him here and looked up the context.

http://ca .news.yahoo.com/fact-check-real-charlie-kirk-214400078.html

This quote is slightly mitigated . There a link at the bottom of the page that links to other quotes that don’t really offer any mitigation.

I don’t see him as a unredeemable ultra right wing piece of shit. I don’t agree on a lot or most of his positions but I also don’t see most of them being as extreme as presented .


The celebration of someone being killed seems to me to suggest more about polarization in today’s politics than anything else. The rights reaction included .

At the end of the day it seems the public personas of these guys are calculated/ presented to be polarizing . I doubt highly in real life they are this extreme . That to me is the real shame

[VRYALT3R3D]

Does this look trans to you?

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/09/13/21/102110513-15095195-Lance_Twiggs_who_lived_with_Tyler_Robinson_in_a_th ree_bedroom_ap-a-25_1757795845923.jpg

Thats a bro, bro.

[mikemhg]

So I’ll start off saying that I struggle taking black and white positions on these things …wife says I have oppositional defiance disorder to which I reply “no I don’t”.

I listened to Charlie Kirk on Gavin’s Newsome podcast. I’ve seen some of the quotes attributed to him here and looked up the context.

http://ca .news.yahoo.com/fact-check-real-charlie-kirk-214400078.html

This quote is slightly mitigated . There a link at the bottom of the page that links to other quotes that don’t really offer any mitigation.

I don’t see him as a unredeemable ultra right wing piece of shit. I don’t agree on a lot or most of his positions but I also don’t see most of them being as extreme as presented .


The celebration of someone being killed seems to me to suggest more about polarization in today’s politics than anything else. The rights reaction included .

At the end of the day it seems the public personas of these guys are calculated/ presented to be polarizing . I doubt highly in real life they are this extreme . That to me is the real shame

See, and that's the problem. I bet a lot of these online culture warrior grifters don't even believe half the crap they spew out, but sitting on the extreme is what makes money and attracts attention/clicks, that's the fundamental problem here.

These people exist with these extreme opinions and play in dangerous arenas that attract the crazies, gives breath and legitimacy to these ridiculous ideologies, it's exactly what I hate about modern internet culture.

Everyone really needs to scale it back, every opinion doesn't need to be so hyperbolic all the damn time to garner engagement.

[whitev70r]

^ wait, that's my approach to this RS forum all along to get the thanks and sig quotes .. .hyperbole, spew sh*t out that I don't believer myself, go big or go home, ... not as extreme & hyperbolic as this one round Richmond poster but trying to learn from him ??!!

[CivicBlues]

We’ve handed power over to internet trolls and this is the end result.

[bcrdukes]

^ wait, that's my approach to this RS forum all along to get the thanks and sig quotes .. .hyperbole, spew sh*t out that I don't believer myself, go big or go home, ... not as extreme & hyperbolic as this one round Richmond poster but trying to learn from him ??!!

omg, so you're NOT racist?

you troll! :mad:

:D

[underscore]

We’ve handed power over to internet trolls and this is the end result.

Because people decided to make it profitable.

[Manic!]

So TPUSA is a non profit with 450 employees. 4 families donate 92 million every year to fund it. fucking crazy.

[VRYALT3R3D]

So TPUSA is a non profit with 450 employees. 4 families donate 92 million every year to fund it. fucking crazy.

Keep coping.

None of this is unusual for the largest conservative non-profit in the US.

[Manic!]

Keep coping.

None of this is unusual for the largest conservative non-profit in the US.

Could not make it on his own so needed handouts. Pretty pathetic for a conservative.

[68style]

I mean it's pretty obviously a financial investment for those people... no different than any venture capitalist funded initiative, they just call it a "charity" in name only, probably to avoid taxes lol

[mikemhg]

It's 100% to avoid taxes.

Same way the Cato Institute, Heritage Foundation, Americans for Prosperity Foundation, Federalist Society, etc, are funded.

All avenues for the these wealthy assholes to funnel their money into thinktanks and media organization to push their agendas, while writing off those investments.

It's a loophole that shouldn't exist.

[mikemhg]

Confirmed it is:

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/800835023

Fuck right off :lol

Some nice examples of people who work/worked in this organization:

Turning Point USA's former national field director, Crystal Clanton, texted a fellow Turning Point USA employee “I HATE BLACK PEOPLE. Like f@#k them all. . . I hate blacks. End of story.” Clanton, was forced to resign after serving as the group’s second-highest official for five years. According to former employees, Kirk was the public face while Clanton acted as the hands-on boss. Kirk co-authored a book entitled “Time for a Turning Point: Setting a Course Toward Free Markets and Limited Government for Future Generations” in which he described Clanton as “the best hire we ever could have made” and “integral to the success of Turning Point while effectively serving as its chief operating officer”. Kirk heaps on the praise adding, “Turning Point needs more Crystals; so does America”. https://www.thewrap.com/hill-drops-pro-trump-contributor-caught-video-lamenting-nazis-didnt-keep-f-ing-going/

Crystal Clanton was succeeded by Shialee Grooman, who’s colorful Twitter history includes quotes such as, “I love making racist jokes” - “If you’re a race other than white I promise to make racist jokes towards you” - “I am always making racist comments lol” - “don’t date f@##ots then” - “d!ldo obsessed b$@ner” and “All I get is n!@#$er d!@k RT”.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/turning-point-usa-racist-tweets_us_5ad65b06e4b029ebe01ed1ac

It is utterly hilarious these types of organizations can be deemed as non-profit. For Kirk, someone who isn't racist, he sure has a lot of smoke around that fire.

I've always said if it walks and quacks like a duck, it's probably a fucking duck :lol

[unit]

holy shit her last name is CLANton?

[supafamous]

For those who still don't think Charlie Kirk was a vile human being this Vanity Fair writeup by Ta-Nehisi Coates does a great job of quote Kirk and linking to the evidence:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/charlie-kirk-ezra-klein-tanehisi-coates#intcid=_vanity-fair-verso-hp-trending_7f060118-0ec4-4f51-aabe-3c386fd1bd7e_popular4-2

I'd quote parts of the article here but there's so much terrible stuff that Kirk said that it's rather appalling that anyone could celebrate him (including Canadian Parliament - WTF yo?) - there's far more stuff in here than I've heard of. This is not some "taking it out of context" stuff.

[Manic!]

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/tv/disneys-abc-pulls-jimmy-kimmel-live-fcc-chair-blasts-hosts-charlie-kir-rcna232033?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

Disney's ABC pulls 'Jimmy Kimmel Live!' after FCC chair criticizes the host's Charlie Kirk comments


The creators of south park have delayed tonight's episode because they could not finish it in time. Will be airing it next week. I hope they are cooking up something good.

[rymack]

For those who still don't think Charlie Kirk was a vile human being this Vanity Fair writeup by Ta-Nehisi Coates does a great job of quote Kirk and linking to the evidence:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/charlie-kirk-ezra-klein-tanehisi-coates#intcid=_vanity-fair-verso-hp-trending_7f060118-0ec4-4f51-aabe-3c386fd1bd7e_popular4-2

I'd quote parts of the article here but there's so much terrible stuff that Kirk said that it's rather appalling that anyone could celebrate him (including Canadian Parliament - WTF yo?) - there's far more stuff in here than I've heard of. This is not some "taking it out of context" stuff.

Thanks for posting that. What I appreciate about this article is the hyperlinking to all the shit he said in full with context. And while I can’t imagine anyone here agreeing with what he said I also don’t agree we should celebrate his death. You can’t murder an idea ( or set of ideas). Though Israel certainly trying with Palestine/hamas.

[Traum]

Jimmy Kimmel has been roasting Trump / the MAGA crowd / GOP pretty hard lately. It's absolutely nothing anyone normal -- Republicans included -- should be up in arms about, but here we are -- another good comedian got shut down in an increasingly facist USA.

[VRYALT3R3D]

For those who still don't think Charlie Kirk was a vile human being this Vanity Fair writeup by Ta-Nehisi Coates does a great job of quote Kirk and linking to the evidence:


Congratulations on finding an opinion piece that aligns with your views, bro. It doesn't really prove anything.

Cheers,

[yray]

you can call trump all sorts of shit and its okay

you said something about what basically was a /b/tard with /pol/ training from the 2000s and you're fucked

[westopher]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0_aJKHXsAA-rLv.jpg:large
Lol @ this supposed text exchange.
"I am still ok my love"
This reads like it was someones first attempt at some sort of romance novel/psychological thriller. Fuck it bring Jason back we need some conspiracy theories here.

[Manic!]

............

[yray]

Lol @ this supposed text exchange.
"I am still ok my love"
.

yea, no way gen z wrote that

even a millennial won't text like that

[westopher]

I totally believe this guy did it, but I 100% do not believe the evidence they are releasing, especially with that coked out raccoon Patel at the helm. This guy would lose evidence out of a hole in his pocket doing bumps in the handicapped stall.

[bcrdukes]

............

Manic! is out of word.

What is going on here? :lol

[westopher]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DOuLcWJD2RW/?img_index=1&igsh=MWZpNjQ1a2psbjF2cQ==
Found the next transcript they will release.

[supafamous]

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/tv/disneys-abc-pulls-jimmy-kimmel-live-fcc-chair-blasts-hosts-charlie-kir-rcna232033?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

Disney's ABC pulls 'Jimmy Kimmel Live!' after FCC chair criticizes the host's Charlie Kirk comments


The creators of south park have delayed tonight's episode because they could not finish it in time. Will be airing it next week. I hope they are cooking up something good.

At least this Stephen Miller guy knows what's what:

https://i.imgur.com/0iSOi5A.jpeg

[whitev70r]

Found the next transcript they will release.

just skimmed it and that looks fake af ... looks like someone is setting him up royally ... even threw in the 'Hamas' thing. Since he is not cooperating, let's make him look like a left wing terrorist to fit the narrative instead of the right wing cooked, gun using young republican.

[westopher]

My brother in christ that one is a joke.
You're right about the observation though, it's already being done with the first one I posted.

[Manic!]

https://i.ibb.co/8w94CKG/president-donald-trump-designates-antifa-a-terrorist-v0-hq7t0f06jtpf1.webp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmlyePmLIVE&t

[whitev70r]

My brother in christ that one is a joke.
You're right about the observation though, it's already being done with the first one I posted.

Oh man, in the US ... wth is happening??!! I could have been banned on this forum for making those insinuations about officials trying to change narrative on Kirk killer! Kimmel is Indefinitely pulled/cancelled by ABC because of comments.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/17/business/media/abc-jimmy-kimmel.html

The comments at the center of this week’s firestorm came during Mr. Kimmel’s opening monologue on Monday night. “We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” the host said.

[westopher]

The worst thing about the kimmel shit is that he didn’t celebrate Kirk’s death. He merely pointed to the fact that the very thing Kirk was fighting for is what killed him.
Truth isn’t allowed either, never mind free speech. Criticize the ruling class and their friends and you will be silenced. And to be clear, the FCC is a government organization threatening the network. ABC would have been well within its rights to silence Kimmel if they disagreed with him, as they are a private entity, but the moment the threat came from the FCC that became an egregious violation of the constitution.
Even many conservatives, which I will give those speaking out credit for, are disgusted by the clear violation.

[bcrdukes]

Ditto to the FCC decision. That's really overstepping boundaries and I feel they crossed the line. This sets a bad precedent and we can only hope the same doesn't happen in Canada.

[Badhobz]

Disgusting. Hundreds of thousands of americans died for the freedoms they are now throwing away. Utterly insane.

[VRYALT3R3D]

The worst thing about the kimmel shit is that he didn’t celebrate Kirk’s death. He merely pointed to the fact that the very thing Kirk was fighting for is what killed him.
Truth isn’t allowed either, never mind free speech. Criticize the ruling class and their friends and you will be silenced. And to be clear, the FCC is a government organization threatening the network. ABC would have been well within its rights to silence Kimmel if they disagreed with him, as they are a private entity, but the moment the threat came from the FCC that became an egregious violation of the constitution.
Even many conservatives, which I will give those speaking out credit for, are disgusted by the clear violation.


Damn. Where will you and Supafamous get your news now that your late night talk show host is gone?

Sending you prayers, bro.

Cheers,

[westopher]

Same thing you’re doing now that turning point USA is gone I guess. Any suggestions?

[mikemhg]

Pure corruption.

ABC suspended Jimmy Kimmel because Nexstar, one of their biggest distributors, said that they would not air Jimmy Kimmel. Nexstar is trying to acquire a rival distributor for $6.2 billion and has petitioned the FCC to repeal it's rule preventing more than 39% ownership stakes in broadcasting markets. This is obviously a move to get their broadcasting monopoly approved with the FCC after Brendan Carr threatened ABC.

This is exactly similar to how the Stephen Colbert situation played out.

Trump is leveraging acquisition/merger approvals through the FCC be threatening these companies to tow the MAGA narrative.

It's absolutely insane.

[VRYALT3R3D]

The comments at the center of this week’s firestorm came during Mr. Kimmel’s opening monologue on Monday night. “We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” the host said.

Well, the shooter is definitely not MAGA. That was pure conjecture and there isn't any evidence proving that.

[mikemhg]

^What evidence proves he's not?

His own grandma said the family is MAGA.

[VRYALT3R3D]

^What evidence proves he's not?

His own grandma said the family is MAGA.

The burden of proof is not on me, bromigo.

The shooter has his own autonomy in his political beliefs. Just because the rest of his family is MAGA, doesn't mean he is.

[68style]

I am not going to try to discern whether he's MAGA or not.. but when you literally say "The shooter is definitely not MAGA" and then tell other people they need to prove what they say while saying you don't... that's a bit hypocritical isn't it?

[westopher]

But bro the very real text exchange. He’s antifa Hamas tranny gay.
This is also the only shooting that matters in America. Not the two mass shootings yesterday that killed 3 cops and the other one that killed middle school students. All shooters (this one) are now part of the radical lefties and the only violent people in the US.

[supafamous]

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/how-to-tell-the-difference-between-a-lone-wolf-and-a-coordinated-effort-by-the-radical-left

This is a good explainer on how to tell the diff between a lone wolf or a coordinated effort by the radical left.

If a Democratic lawmaker and her husband are gunned down, it’s an isolated incident carried out by a lone wolf.

If a right-wing activist is gunned down, it’s part of a coordinated effort by the radical left to incite violence.

If a gunman murders nineteen children at an elementary school, it’s disgusting to politicize the tragedy by talking about gun control.

If a Republican presidential candidate is targeted in an assassination attempt, it’s fair to blame it on left-wing rhetoric before the shooter has even been identified.

...

[westopher]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DOtikxtkcnR/?igsh=MXZzdGc5Z2hzeWU3Ng==
Lol these text exchange memes are so good

[quasi]

The burden of proof is not on me, bromigo.

The shooter has his own autonomy in his political beliefs. Just because the rest of his family is MAGA, doesn't mean he is.

How can you say with all certainty he is or is not? I have no idea what this guys political leanings are but to too be fair, neither do you.

[westopher]

He can’t, but as I’ve said before, smart people question if they are right, idiots know they are right. Always the case with this fuckin numb nuts.

[mikemhg]

This is a guy/girl who posted that their favorite artist is Top5 :lol

I wouldn't take anything seriously from VLAD at this point.

100% a troll.

[westopher]

Notably, Nexstar is seeking the Trump administration’s approval to acquire Tegna, another big group of U.S. stations. The deal requires the FCC to loosen the government’s limits on broadcast station ownership.
Minutes after Nexstar criticized Kimmel, ABC said the show was being yanked nationwide.
Later in the evening, another big station group, Sinclair, announced it would air a one-hour special tribute to Kirk on Friday night in Kimmel’s usual time slot.
Sinclair issued a statement saying the late-night host’s suspension “is not enough” and called on the network, the FCC and Kimmel to go further. It demanded Kimmel apologize to the Kirk family and make a “meaningful” donation to his relatives and his organization, Turning Point USA, which advocates for conservative values in schools.
Sinclair, too, has business pending before the Trump administration. It made a bid for Tegna a day before Nexstar stepped in with its bid.
America is a fucking JOKE.

[68style]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/15/us/politics/trump-uae-chips-witkoff-world-liberty-takeaways.html

He literally doesn't even care anymore... he got asked point blank on the Whitehouse lawn how his business can take this payment while he provides an agreement to another government and he opened his hands up and said his sons run that, he knows nothing about it.

... but but but the "Biden Crime Family"

It's all way beyond ridiculous.

[VRYALT3R3D]

I am not going to try to discern whether he's MAGA or not.. but when you literally say "The shooter is definitely not MAGA" and then tell other people they need to prove what they say while saying you don't... that's a bit hypocritical isn't it?

You are not wrong. This is why we should maybe wait for more information before jumping to conclusions like Jimmy did.

[VRYALT3R3D]

This is a guy/girl who posted that their favorite artist is Top5 :lol

I wouldn't take anything seriously from VLAD at this point.

100% a troll.

Bro, im honestly surprised you know who top5 is. You are like certified unc status, unc.

[VRYALT3R3D]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/15/us/politics/trump-uae-chips-witkoff-world-liberty-takeaways.html

He literally doesn't even care anymore... he got asked point blank on the Whitehouse lawn how his business can take this payment while he provides an agreement to another government and he opened his hands up and said his sons run that, he knows nothing about it.

... but but but the "Biden Crime Family"

It's all way beyond ridiculous.

Bro, Biden pardoning his son was absolutely pathetic. He just gave no fucks anymore, brahhhh.

[MarkyMark]

I imagine the is a Charlie Kirk statue in development as we speak.

[bcedhk]

I imagine the is a Charlie Kirk statue in development as we speak.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/ws/640/cpsprodpb/1424D/production/_95390528_ronaldobust.jpg

[Badhobz]

they forgot the bullet hole in the neck.

[whitev70r]

How was the Memorial service today? Anyone fly to Arizona to attend?

[mikemhg]

^Left Phoenix before it happened, might not be able to sleep tonight with my heartbreak from missing it :lol

[68style]

Charlie and Jesus = same same according to RFK… the outpouring for this mofo is gross and disturbing

[Hehe]

Seriously you lefties here, have any of you actually watch Kirk's video to say things like he's racist or he's divisive?!

Like... I get it, you might not agree with his ideas, but other than some tiny snippets that were taken way out of context by MSM or lefties to support their agenda of "Charlie Kirk is racist", did any of you actually bothered to watch the entire conversation/debate that went down on how he came up with those snippets?

I actually went down the rabbit hole and watched pretty much every of these "Charlie Kirk is racist" evidence videos in its entirety, and if anyone can say that he's racist, I think it's really your problem.

Christianity/conservative leaning? Sure. But there was nothing racist in the grand scheme of things once you listen the full conversation and I challenge anyone to find me a full video to show me otherwise.

[Manic!]

Seriously you lefties here, have any of you actually watch Kirk's video to say things like he's racist or he's divisive?!

Like... I get it, you might not agree with his ideas, but other than some tiny snippets that were taken way out of context by MSM or lefties to support their agenda of "Charlie Kirk is racist", did any of you actually bothered to watch the entire conversation/debate that went down on how he came up with those snippets?

I actually went down the rabbit hole and watched pretty much every of these "Charlie Kirk is racist" evidence videos in its entirety, and if anyone can say that he's racist, I think it's really your problem.

Christianity/conservative leaning? Sure. But there was nothing racist in the grand scheme of things once you listen the full conversation and I challenge anyone to find me a full video to show me otherwise.

You have no problem with him telling a woman worth 1.6 billion to submit to her future husband?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF490pRldY8

[whitev70r]

^ that's not really evidence of racist per se. Who cares about Taylor Swift and Kelce and how they run their household and who makes more.

Here are the ones that I have a problem with. It's pretty obvious to me that he is a racist ... I mean you can go into context but I don't know what context or nuance can explain away the fact that he is a racist.

If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024

Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023

If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?– The - - Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024

[Hehe]

Again, enough of snippets or cherrypicking portion of his sentence.

The whole conversation. I have yet to find one and I wish to be proven wrong.

[whitev70r]

^ instead of me finding the whole transcript and putting up a wall of text, can you summarize how you explain away those 3 quotes as NOT racist? Because to the avg person, that's pretty blatantly obvious.

[Hehe]

^ instead of me finding the whole transcript and putting up a wall of text, can you summarize how you explain away those 3 quotes as NOT racist? Because to the avg person, that's pretty blatantly obvious.

You are welcome to find the full video/audio.

I did a quick search, here was what went down the "black pilot" conversation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBiiQY0Rgpg

Again, don't come to me with snippets. Context matters.

[Manic!]

You are welcome to find the full video/audio.

I did a quick search, here was what went down the "black pilot" conversation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBiiQY0Rgpg

Again, don't come to me with snippets. Context matters.


all pilots operating in the United States must be FAA-qualified, meaning they need to hold the appropriate pilot certificate, medical certificate, and meet specific training and experience requirements set by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). This includes pilots of most aircraft, as well as commercial drone operators, though military pilots have different requirements for operating military aircraft.


You think United airlines has the power to change FAA regulations?

[whitev70r]

That would be my understanding, from the pool of those who are qualified, pass all the certifications, exams, tests, etc., you select from those qualified candidates, individuals that reflect better the demographic of our society ... females & people of colour. There isn't any safety standards lowered or sacrificed.

[Hehe]

You didn't watch the video from start to finish, did you?

The context was the following:
United wanted to take on a DEI approach. Increasing from the current 15% of black/female pilots to 50%.

Kirk's opinion was that it didn't matter what skin color or gender a pilot is. Every time a DEI or Affirmative Action was introduced, the standard had to be lowered. From my own research, that proved to be true. Ivy league didn't get all the best students, but rather, for black students, only x of GPA was required. For Asian? Y of GPA needed. And X<<<Y. So, a black Ivy league student can be a shitty student vs. their Asian/White counterparts, but it's ok because the school ask for less if you are black.

So, taking this context to the airlines, they are willing to hire a lesser qualified (say a pilot who had flown 100hrs vs one who had flown 6000hrs). Do they meet the bare minimum requirement of FAA? You bet. But in his own example in the video, when it comes to a pilot dealing with severe and rare turbulence in the sky, if you had the option, would you rather trust a 6000hr pilot or a 100hr pilot?

Notice how I purposely left out any skin color or gender here.

So, UA is willing to forgo the idea of finding the best pilot there is, as long as they can meet the quota.

What Kirk was proposing was, get rid of the DEI/AA quota. Just hire the best darn pilots there are. They can be black, indian, Chinese, LGBTQ... whatever, as long as they are the best there are.

Because what's happening here is actually UA purposedly implementing racism into their hiring system. If you ain't black or female, don't count on it as you'd only have 50% of chance of being hired even if you are the best pilot for that aircraft type there is on earth. And the reverse is also true, if you are black or female, doesn't matter if you have little experience or is less experienced of a pilot. As long as you are black or female, you'd have 50% chance of getting hired.

[Manic!]

So, taking this context to the airlines, they are willing to hire a lesser qualified (say a pilot who had flown 100hrs vs one who had flown 6000hrs). Do they meet the bare minimum requirement of FAA? You bet. But in his own example in the video, when it comes to a pilot dealing with severe and rare turbulence in the sky, if you had the option, would you rather trust a 6000hr pilot or a 100hr pilot?




To become a certified airline pilot in the United States, you need an Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate, which requires a minimum of 1,500 flight hours. This total must include specific types of flights, such as 500 hours of cross-country time, 100 hours of night flying, and 50 hours in multi-engine aircraft


After you are certified you look for a job. Why would someone have 6000 hours of flight time before they got a job? I would think there would be something wrong with that person.

This is just another B.S. made up scenario.

[Hehe]

After you are certified you look for a job. Why would someone have 6000 hours of flight time before they got a job? I would think there would be something wrong with that person.

This is just another B.S. made up scenario.

Again, the 100hr was just a random number I threw in. Now, change that to the bare minimum

To become a certified airline pilot in the United States, you need an Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate, which requires a minimum of 1,500 flight hours. This total must include specific types of flights, such as 500 hours of cross-country time, 100 hours of night flying, and 50 hours in multi-engine aircraft

A pilot (regardless of skin color) with that bare minimum requirement vs. a seasoned veteran with 10x of that amount. Who would you rather fly with?

If it was up to me, I could care less if my pilot is black/latino/female or whatever if UA's hiring criteria were "we only hire the best". Instead of "we would have 50% black and/or female pilots as long as they meet the FAA requirement" because diversity matters. Like... what do I care about what skin color is? I want the best pilots, not because the pilot is black or female.

And if you actually care that your pilot is black or female, you are the one who's racist because by definition, you believe that the skin color is better than merit. It just so happen that your preference is black and you don't get called out for. But that's the very essence of racism when you have preference based on skin color/ethinicity.

[Hehe]

And again, in Kirk's video, he didn't say Black couldn't be the experienced pilot. In fact, he was pointing out that one'd fly with a black/female/whatever pilot as long as they are the best. But the criteria should be focusing on best pilots rather than just on the skin color or gender alone.

By implementing a system based on skin color/gender rather than merit, that's why that snippet of oh if I see a black pilot I should be worried about whether they got the job because they were actually skilled instead of just their skin color.

[Manic!]

Again, the 100hr was just a random number I threw in. Now, change that to the bare minimum



A pilot (regardless of skin color) with that bare minimum requirement vs. a seasoned veteran with 10x of that amount. Who would you rather fly with?

If it was up to me, I could care less if my pilot is black/latino/female or whatever if UA's hiring criteria were "we only hire the best". Instead of "we would have 50% black and/or female pilots as long as they meet the FAA requirement" because diversity matters. Like... what do I care about what skin color is? I want the best pilots, not because the pilot is black or female.

And if you actually care that your pilot is black or female, you are the one who's racist because by definition, you believe that the skin color is better than merit. It just so happen that your preference is black and you don't get called out for. But that's the very essence of racism when you have preference based on skin color/ethinicity.

I have never once cared who my pilot was on a plane. When you grab a taxi or uber do you check to see how long that person has been driving for? Because you are way more likely to get in a car accident then one in a plane.



This has nothing to do with merit it's all about opportunity. If you have a family member or a friend that is a pilot you are going to have a easier time of becoming one yourself. American airlines wanted to open up the opportunity to more people.

[Hehe]

I have never once cared who my pilot was on a plane. When you grab a taxi or uber do you check to see how long that person has been driving for? Because you are way more likely to get in a car accident then one in a plane.


Now you get it.

This is exactly what Kirk is saying. If diversity were a natural result due to meritocracy, there’s no problem whatsoever. No one is saying black pilots cannot be good pilots.

By forcing DEI quota even when better choices are available, where the only other difference is skin color, you are essentially taking away opportunities from who deserved more and give it to others purely based on their skin color. That is racism. And not just that, you are also risking the safety of passengers just because of a skin color is somehow more important?!

Every airline says that safety is their first priority, but clearly, DEI quota goes against that principle.

[MarkyMark]

Hehe has chosen to run the RS gauntlet, good luck lol

[supafamous]

Seriously you lefties here, have any of you actually watch Kirk's video to say things like he's racist or he's divisive?!

I actually went down the rabbit hole and watched pretty much every of these "Charlie Kirk is racist" evidence videos in its entirety, and if anyone can say that he's racist, I think it's really your problem.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/charlie-kirk-ezra-klein-tanehisi-coates?srsltid=AfmBOoozX_H_X9jjfeWa310ecDCOfLypisO 2hj61bQpiIat5JpWFY_Hw - This is a good and sourced summary of the stuff Kirk said.

As for whether Kirk is a racist or not, how come all the racists are so sad he's dead? His pal Stephen Miller was so worked up that basically did a Nazi speech from the 1930s yesterday.

And what would it take for someone to be considered racist if what Charlie did doesn't qualify? Like attend a Klan rally like yesterday?

[Badhobz]

why the fuck are we still talking about this dead idiot here? who gives a shit.

A RACIST CONSERVATIVE WHITE MAN!? wow.... never seen that before.

[Hehe]

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/charlie-kirk-ezra-klein-tanehisi-coates?srsltid=AfmBOoozX_H_X9jjfeWa310ecDCOfLypisO 2hj61bQpiIat5JpWFY_Hw - This is a good and sourced summary of the stuff Kirk said.

As for whether Kirk is a racist or not, how come all the racists are so sad he's dead? His pal Stephen Miller was so worked up that basically did a Nazi speech from the 1930s yesterday.

And what would it take for someone to be considered racist if what Charlie did doesn't qualify? Like attend a Klan rally like yesterday?

I read about half of the article and still suggest the same thing. Don’t just give me MSM “sources” where it’s cherry-picking snippets to try to prove a point.

The article says that Kirk is homophobic and against the LGBTQ+ community. If you actually watch his videos in its entirety, he doesn’t give a ratass what a person does in their bedroom. He doesn’t agree with LGB because it’s against Christian values but agrees to disagree as he sees it as personal preference.

Where he did have a strong opinion was with TQ. He doesn’t want kid being able to access permanent medical procedures when science has shown that many kids do struggle with gender identity. Second, he didn’t want men in women washroom, change room or sport. He didn’t care what one identify with. You do things according to your natural gender, which are 2: male and female. No if or buts. Just the nature truth on human.

Now, as I said before, you might not agree with his opinion. You might feel it’s ok for men to compete in women sport, for men to use women change room because they identify as female. But it doesn’t make him a homophobic. And remember, he’s cool with LGB. Where he has issue was TQ. I don’t agree with TQ either and if I had a daughter, you can bet I’d have issue if there’s men trying to go to same change room as her. You might disagree, but it doesn’t make Kirk homophobic.

Tl;dr: as I said, don’t take snippets, actually watch the whole conversation. You might not always agree with him. But it’s a case of different opinion rather than racism, homophobic or whatever you are trying to label him.

[Hehe]

why the fuck are we still talking about this dead idiot here? who gives a shit.

A RACIST CONSERVATIVE WHITE MAN!? wow.... never seen that before.

Because dialogs are important. If I say hobz your posts are racist af and you should be fucking ashamed of yourself and your family should disown you and your wife should kick you out of the house.

Will that be ok? No. It’s just a wrong opinion and context matters. You post stupid shit as joke or sarcasm. We get it because we have the perfect understanding on the context of your posts.

And so being a conservative whites man is automatically racist?! If that doesn’t qualify as racism, I don’t know what is. You are generalizing a group of people in our society just because of their believes and skin color and gender. Who is the racist and sexist here?

See how it goes?

[yray]

ex military pilots can take higher risk

younger pilots just don't know wtf they are doing

russian pilots have 1million hours but show up drunk

nobody wins

[westopher]

And so being a conservative whites man is automatically racist?! If that doesn’t qualify as racism, I don’t know what is. You are generalizing a group of people in our society just because of their believes and skin color and gender. Who is the racist and sexist here?

See how it goes?
This is so fucking stupid it’s hilarious. You instantly turn it around to some sort of victimizing of conservative whites because hobz called him racist (he is) conservative (he is) white (he is) and you either have so little understanding of context or you are so desperate to twist it to your narrative while you lecture people about it.

[unit]

kirk blamed MLK for the problems black people in america have today.

basically he was trying flip the narrative to deflect the issues away from white people and internalize those problems within the black community.

yeah great guy, not racist at all.

[Traum]

That would be my understanding, from the pool of those who are qualified, pass all the certifications, exams, tests, etc., you select from those qualified candidates, individuals that reflect better the demographic of our society ... females & people of colour. There isn't any safety standards lowered or sacrificed.
For the record, I hate the term "DEI hires" and implications it carries. I am a believer of hiring the most qualified candidate. That said, I understand and agree with the goals of having "DEI hires", and I still look at it under the lens of "hiring the most qualified candidate for the job".

In the context of healthcare, it is much easier to understand the importance of "DEI hires". The goal of healthcare is to obtain good healthcare outcomes for the patients. And in light of that, it is extremely important to have a representative percentage of healthcare staff that both understands the nuances among the different demographics, and is able to quickly and easily gain the trust of the patients. Just as an ethnic Chinese doctor would more likely understand the cultural normals and practices of a Chinese patient, or an Indian doctor understanding the typical diets and meal patterns of Indian patients, it is important to have these culturally sensitive staff because no amount of medical training can make up for that. Or in an even more easily understood case, women tend to trust and feel more comfortable with female OBGYNs more than they do with male OGBYNs, and it is super important to have medical staff that the patients would trust.

So echoing what whitev70r has said, schools and hospitals are hiring candidates that already meet the required standards. But in order to provide the best health outcomes for patients, you want to include a proportionate mix of different ethnicities and genders in your "hires".

Now tracing back to what that racist piece of trash Kirk has said -- the guy is automatically questioning whether a black doctor or pilot is qualified when he sees them. He is obviously a fairly intelligent person, so he is able to come up with this roundabout explanation of "wanting to hire the most qualified person for the job" as easy justification for his racist BS.

I could have easily given him the benefit of the doubt or excuse his "hiring for the best qualified candidate" opinion if that was the only comment he has said. But when he recurringly make different racists remarks to belittle visible minorities -- that black women lack the brain processing power to be taken seriously, and that they have to take a white person's job to be taken somewhat seriously -- it paints a far more accurate picture of what his character is -- that he is a racist and misogynistic piece of trash.

[mikemhg]

Seriously you lefties here, have any of you actually watch Kirk's video to say things like he's racist or he's divisive?!

Like... I get it, you might not agree with his ideas, but other than some tiny snippets that were taken way out of context by MSM or lefties to support their agenda of "Charlie Kirk is racist", did any of you actually bothered to watch the entire conversation/debate that went down on how he came up with those snippets?

I actually went down the rabbit hole and watched pretty much every of these "Charlie Kirk is racist" evidence videos in its entirety, and if anyone can say that he's racist, I think it's really your problem.

Christianity/conservative leaning? Sure. But there was nothing racist in the grand scheme of things once you listen the full conversation and I challenge anyone to find me a full video to show me otherwise.


Ever think that maybe you're the problem?

If his words weren't so problematic, why would he elicit such a polarizing response by so many people?

[mikemhg]

BTW specific to the whole pilot argument. There is literally zero evidence to support the idea what any airline is hiring pilots based on DEI, there is no data to support that.

You either pass the requirements or you don't, plain and simple.

The only DEI that has been applied is encouraging training academies to pipeline more minorities into these development academies to train pilots. This in no way lowers the requirements to become a pilot, or be hired as a pilot.

Hehe you're either being purposely obtuse, or perhaps your own bigotry blinds your ability to recognize the clear dog whistling Kirk played.

Let's not even get into the cretins he worked with at Turning Point USA.

[unit]

hehe is just simping for white people to give him a pat on the back and say 'good job'.
you'll never be one of them man, stop trying to please them.

[VRYALT3R3D]

Charlie Kirk's widow, Erika Kirk, says she forgives husband's alleged killer

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6911189

[68style]

Every religious bible thumper says they forgive their family members killers, I would have laid my life savings down on a bet that was gonna get said big whoop my mind is so at ease now, I was super worried what Charlie’s wife was thinking.

[VRYALT3R3D]

Every religious bible thumper says they forgive their family members killers, I would have laid my life savings down on a bet that was gonna get said big whoop my mind is so at ease now, I was super worried what Charlie’s wife was thinking.

Bro, ngl, thought she was the eye for an eye type.

[Manic!]

Now you get it.

This is exactly what Kirk is saying. If diversity were a natural result due to meritocracy, there’s no problem whatsoever. No one is saying black pilots cannot be good pilots.

By forcing DEI quota even when better choices are available, where the only other difference is skin color, you are essentially taking away opportunities from who deserved more and give it to others purely based on their skin color. That is racism. And not just that, you are also risking the safety of passengers just because of a skin color is somehow more important?!

Every airline says that safety is their first priority, but clearly, DEI quota goes against that principle.

There is no ranking system for pilots it's ether you are certified or you are not.

The fact we are arguing about if he is a racist or not tells me one of 2 things.
He sucked at his job because he had a hard time articulating what he actually meant or he is a racist. I am pretty sure I know what racists think.

[Badhobz]

I blame whitev70r for this whole thing. hes...... white? wouldnt be a problem if he was yellow370z instead.

[CivicBlues]

Charlie Kirk's widow, Erika Kirk, says she forgives husband's alleged killer

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6911189

"I forgive my husband's killer, but we need to send him to god immediately for eternal forgiveness."

[VRYALT3R3D]

"I forgive my husband's killer, but we need to send him to god immediately for eternal forgiveness."

I hope Charlie's killer gets killed by firing squad.

[CivicBlues]

Jimmy's Back.

SUuck on that.

[68style]

He went away for programming reasons... brain programming

Meep morp Trump is the best... God is good... Trump is the best

[VRYALT3R3D]

Jimmy's Back.

SUuck on that.

I am happy for you, bro.

Cheers,

[supafamous]

So in 2014 LA Clippers owner, Donald Sterling, was banned for life from the NBA and forced to sell his team due to racist remarks he made - those remarks were widely condemned and everyone at the time said it was clearly racist.

What did he say that got him banned?

On April 25, 2014, TMZ Sports released a recording of a conversation between Sterling and his mistress, V. Stiviano (born María Vanessa Perez, also known as Monica Gallegos, Vanessa Perez, and Maria Valdez).[47][48] In the recording from September 2013, a man confirmed to be Sterling was irritated over a photo Stiviano had posted on Instagram, in which she posed with Basketball Hall of Fame player and Laker great Magic Johnson.[49][50] Sterling told Stiviano, who herself is part African-American: "It bothers me a lot that you want to broadcast that you're associating with black people," and, "You can sleep with [black people]. You can bring them in, you can do whatever you want," but "the little I ask you is ... not to bring them to my games."[51][52]

Those two statements were enough to get him banned for life from the NBA yet 11 years later we have a huge catalog of Charlie Kirk saying many things of a similar nature but folks like Hehe will go around saying he's not a racist and just misunderstood.

Was Donald Sterling wronged? Should Sterling have been allowed to keep his NBA team? Was Donald Sterling just misunderstood?

[mikemhg]

Supa there is no point trying to rationalize some people's arguments in favor of the hateful crap Charlie Kirk spewed.

There has long been a history of attempting to normalize anti-black ideologies and sentiments within the US. Charlie Kirk was a standard bearer of that goal. That normalization has come so far from 11 years ago that here we are arguing with people to "prove" Charlie Kirk's words were racist in the first place.

This just shows you how Trump, and this whole MAGA movement has been so successful in moving the narrative and proverbial goal post in such a short amount of time.

[mikemhg]

The schism on this whole thing is even more apparent in the NFL, another sports analogy.

When players were kneeling back in 2016, players were suspended, the outright outrage on the right was palpable with cries of "keeping politics out of sports".

Less then a decade later, teams are jumping on board (or perhaps forced) to assign a moment of silence to commemorate a racist political podcaster in a league full of black dudes. The teams that did not participate are being attacked online by government officials within the Trump admin, and Trump himself.

Funny times we're in.

[westopher]

Things have shifted so far right it’s a completely different spectrum now. If anyone would have been saying that shit in 2015 at a college campus they’d get knocked the fuck out by the third person they said it to at the very latest. Now you have half the population not only justifying it, but treating it as the second coming (or third?) of Jesus. It’s really embarrassing, as I think millennials and Gen Z will be the first generations which will be MORE racist than the previous generation.
Oh but the CONTEXT of saying the civil rights act was a mistake! THE CONTEXT ITS NOT RACIST

[SkinnyPupp]

They went so extreme in 2016 that nothing seems extreme anymore. And on top of that they've built a cult around it

[VRYALT3R3D]

Supa there is no point trying to rationalize some people's arguments in favor of the hateful crap Charlie Kirk spewed.

There has long been a history of attempting to normalize anti-black ideologies and sentiments within the US. Charlie Kirk was a standard bearer of that goal. That normalization has come so far from 11 years ago that here we are arguing with people to "prove" Charlie Kirk's words were racist in the first place.

Bromigo, I agree with you.

Also just LOL @ Charlie having only a high school education. He uses so many boomer arguments during his debates.

I still don't think he deserved to die the way he did. That was a pretty sad moment for America. The symbolism of shooting someone you disagree with during a college debate at a public campus with an audience. Pretty bad look, brah

[rymack]

My understanding from a friend who is a pilot (co pilot?) is that you start on the bottom rung ( in his case flying for pacific coastal etc) and need a lot of experience to move up to the larger airlines . As is the case in many industries..like just because you go to cooking school doesn’t give you the experience to be an exec or even sous chef. You need the real world experience as well as the technical qualifications.
Wasn’t there at some point on here someone involved in the airline industry ( pilot maybe)? Be interesting to hear from his/her perspective ( I realize this was only a cherry picked scenario by Kirk in this situation trying to create a wedge issue).

Lastly I have a friend who is a crown prosecutor and we were discussing the idea of him becoming a judge . He’s white / male. When I asked him what the prospects of that happening was he said “ well I’m not really the right demographic etc of what they are looking for”. Or something along those lines .
He went on to say they were trying to diversify the roster of judges to include more Indigenous , women , etc ( anything besides white men and to some extent white women).

I was a little annoyed on his behalf because I thought he is/was qualified and being not seen as a good candidate because he’s white seemed unfair. To his credit he mentioned he was totally ok w it . We talked about how important representation is in places like the legal system. And while I understand it and ultimately agree with it I still find it hard to square that circle sometimes .

What the crux of the issue is with Charlie Kirk is his false assumption / assertion that you have to drop qualifications in order to achieve representational hires. It’s not true in technical aspects like pilots and not true in more esoteric things like Judges. The judges they are hiring now are every bit as qualified as my friend . They’ve just also have the bonus of bringing with them representation which is an important qualification in the legal ( and health ) system .

[rymack]

I mean that and that it’s a dog whistle ( whether or not he meant it that way).

[supafamous]

Lastly I have a friend who is a crown prosecutor and we were discussing the idea of him becoming a judge . He’s white / male. When I asked him what the prospects of that happening was he said “ well I’m not really the right demographic etc of what they are looking for”. Or something along those lines .

He went on to say they were trying to diversify the roster of judges to include more Indigenous , women , etc ( anything besides white men and to some extent white women).

I was a little annoyed on his behalf because I thought he is/was qualified and being not seen as a good candidate because he’s white seemed unfair. To his credit he mentioned he was totally ok w it . We talked about how important representation is in places like the legal system. And while I understand it and ultimately agree with it I still find it hard to square that circle sometimes .

Good on your friend for his take on this - depending on the domain/sector a white male may be genuinely disadvantaged due to DEI in that the rebalancing is so aggressive that new candidates are negatively impacted but on the whole, the diversification efforts are just rebalancing an existing injustice - ie, white males were so over-represented for so long that what's happening isn't bias for minorities but equalisation.

In software development we were seeing women be ~35% university graduates (depends on the decade you look at) but we'd somehow only end up with 25% of intermediate developers being women and then something like 10% of mangers being women. So when tech companies say we want 35-40% of their devs to be women, they're really just trying to get to the numbers that they see coming out of school.

[underscore]

What I've learned from pilots in my family is that to get the hours a lot of them start out flying bush planes to places almost nobody has heard of. Pacific Coastal would've been a big upgrade over the stuff they were doing lol. If someone has made it to where they're piloting for any major airline they've got a lot of experience and they're a solid pilot.

[Hehe]

Ever think that maybe you're the problem?

If his words weren't so problematic, why would he elicit such a polarizing response by so many people?

What exactly did he say that's polarizing? Again, don't cherrypick fragments of his speech. Give the full context. You might not agree with his ideas, but it's neither polarizing nor dividing.

Far too often I see lefties being completely ignorant about what the actual world is.

Why is racism/sexism or whatever not an issue in countries like Japan, China, Brazil... etc? Is it because they don't have discrimination over there? No. It's just they don't take it much of an issue other than personal belief/opinions.

Here we have the entire MSM making such a big deal out of it. I'm not saying that racism is ok and we should tolerate it. No. But it should NEVER be used as an excuse to force believes upon others.

Just because I don't agree with Muslims religion doesn't mean I discriminate against them. Just because Kirk said he didn't agree with TQ+ doesn't mean that he discriminate against them. Just because the society is done taking refugees doesn't mean that we discriminate them. Just because we don't want them to be praying to Allah or whoever in the middle of the street doesn't mean we are religiophobia.

It's a difference in opinions. While we respect each others' belief, it doesn't mean I need to take your belief as mine. It's always "agree to disagree". But these newcomers to Canada/Europe/US... they don't want you to disagree. If you don't agree to their ideology, you are discriminating against them. WTF is that? Here is Canada. If you don't want to adapt to the Canadian value, either go somewhere where your value is shared or learn to accept that there can be other values besides your own.

[SkinnyPupp]

Why is racism/sexism or whatever not an issue in countries like Japan, China, Brazil... etc? Is it because they don't have discrimination over there? No. It's just they don't take it much of an issue other than personal belief/opinions.


This is shocking, even from you.

[BIC_BAWS]

Why is racism/sexism or whatever not an issue in countries like Japan, China, Brazil... etc? Is it because they don't have discrimination over there? No. It's just they don't take it much of an issue other than personal belief/opinions.

Japan is on a whole anti muslim tirade.. you know why? They're tired of these migrants taking over their culture and rightfully so.

But these newcomers to Canada/Europe/US... they don't want you to disagree. If you don't agree to their ideology, you are discriminating against them. WTF is that? Here is Canada. If you don't want to adapt to the Canadian value, either go somewhere where your value is shared or learn to accept that there can be other values besides your own.

Aren't these people supposed to assimilate to Canadian values? Like the rest of you immigrants on this goddamn website (myself included).

[Manic!]

No racism in Japan you say?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/29/kurdish-migrants-japan-kurds-immigration

would rather die than go back to Turkey,” says Ali*. “But life is also getting worse here. I can see that our Japanese neighbours are much cooler towards us these days. Some refuse even to greet us.”

[68style]

LOL @ no racism in Japan... holy shit man you ever sat down with a Japanese resident and heard them go off about "fucking mainlanders" buying up property surrounding Tokyo or turning some distrcits into "little China" or all the "no gaijin" establishments around the city. I had Japanese gf's in the past and heard them say this stuff on the reg and can only assume it's gotten worse in the last 10 years.

Nevermind sexism? The fact my ex-gf had to sign a contract with her employer that if they promoted her, she promised not to get pregnant? That she was encouraged to not get married or if she did not to wear a ring so that they could use her to act suggestively to other company's higher ups when they're trying to do favourable business with them? The numebr of times a manager asked her for sexual favours if she wanted a good review? And this was no fucking small company either, we're talking Deloitte & Touche Tokyo here.

I love Japan but man anyone saying there's no racism or sexism issues there is getting their info from a FUCKED UP land of denial.

It's not a public issue because they're AFRAID to challenge the patriarchy en masse... they're AFRAID of mass cultural change in a culture designed to punish/ostracize people who don't stay in line. That's not a trait to be admired in another country. As for the racism well you just can't understand Japanese because they talk about that shit non-stop all the time, quite loudly and easily.

What a bizarre head shaker of a take.

[unit]

japan not racist.. ya tell that to my ancestors who lived through japanese occupation lol

[supafamous]

Every time Hehe opens his mouth he reveals himself to be an even worse person than we all thought.

[whitev70r]

@bcrdukes ... there are real racist and there are pretend racist.

[Badhobz]

Leave hehaw alone !!! He’s a rich human

You see what money does to people ?!!!!!?

[westopher]

It’s very easy to not acknowledge racism and sexism when you’re racist and sexist.

[BIC_BAWS]

LOL how is it that you guys always take one thing that Hehe or someone else says, and just run with it. As if that one thing makes whoever's argument automatically invalid.

Whichever country said no turbans or smt, good for them. Someone claimed it was Islamaphobic, but in that case, gtfo their country then lol.

Also have you guys not seen that shit floating around of where Sikh or the other one Indians are saying they're gonna force their culture down the throats of Canadians and force everyone to assimilate to their values?? Imagine inviting these people into our homes and letting them wash our Canadian values and cultures away lol.

[Traum]

I had Japanese gf's in the past and heard them say this stuff on the reg...
I don't see any subtle flexing here... None at all. :ifyouknow:

[westopher]

LOL how is it that you guys always take one thing that Hehe or someone else says, and just run with it. As if that one thing makes whoever's argument automatically invalid.

Whichever country said no turbans or smt, good for them. Someone claimed it was Islamaphobic, but in that case, gtfo their country then lol.

Also have you guys not seen that shit floating around of where Sikh or the other one Indians are saying they're gonna force their culture down the throats of Canadians and force everyone to assimilate to their values?? Imagine inviting these people into our homes and letting them wash our Canadian values and cultures away lol.
What has changed about Canadian culture with the influx of Indians? What is different? What laws are changing? What do you have to do differently right now?
Man I don’t give a fuck what these dudes wear on their heads or the food they make or whatever. It has literally zero effect on me. It has never had an effect on me. It never will. It’s just a perceived bias because it’s easier to notice a dude in a turban behaving poorly than it is to notice a Chinese guy or a white guy because there are 50% more Chinese guys and white guys around. Some retarded immigrant saying he’s going to force me to be Sikh happens way less often than some retarded white guy saying he’s going to force me to be Christian, which is actually a valid concern when it comes to lawmaking in this country. Look at Alberta.

[unit]

LOL how is it that you guys always take one thing that Hehe or someone else says, and just run with it. As if that one thing makes whoever's argument automatically invalid.

Whichever country said no turbans or smt, good for them. Someone claimed it was Islamaphobic, but in that case, gtfo their country then lol.

Also have you guys not seen that shit floating around of where Sikh or the other one Indians are saying they're gonna force their culture down the throats of Canadians and force everyone to assimilate to their values?? Imagine inviting these people into our homes and letting them wash our Canadian values and cultures away lol.

i feel like that is some fear mongering shit. like ok you saw a vid of someone saying it. that is the stance of some insignificant portion of that group. explain how you would think they would force their culture down our throat? by having a wedding tent in their backyard? i live in surrey and i don't see what you are afraid of. yes their culture is visible, so is chinese culture in richmond.

[Hehe]

I didn’t say there’s no racism. I said it’s not so much of an issue that we make out to be. Racism at its core is stereotyping. The whites are xxx, the blacks are yyy, the Chinese are zzz and so on.

In China, it’s just taken as part of life. Lao-wai (old foreigner by literal translation) is racist by western definition, but it never stopped the public from using it. Why? Because it’s not meant in a defamatory way. It’s just how they call foreigners in general in colloquial settings.

We here in Canada, we make such a deal out of anything. Any slight disagreement is discriminatory by default. Why is that? Why can’t people learn to actually care about more important stuff and instead focusing on meaningless stuff just so that we are politically correct. People are having problems with paying their bills or getting proper health care. And yet our government and people is more interested in whether they are pronouncing a word politically correct.

In the end, it doesn’t concern me. I’m in a position that in the worst case scenario, I pack up the bags and go. I have 3 citizenships and 2 permanent residency status that gives me a lot of flexibilities. But it just saddens me that Canada has come to this. Where people and our government care more about their face than what’s actually good for people.

[bcrdukes]

LOL how is it that you guys always take one thing that Hehe or someone else says, and just run with it. As if that one thing makes whoever's argument automatically invalid.

Whichever country said no turbans or smt, good for them. Someone claimed it was Islamaphobic, but in that case, gtfo their country then lol.

Also have you guys not seen that shit floating around of where Sikh or the other one Indians are saying they're gonna force their culture down the throats of Canadians and force everyone to assimilate to their values?? Imagine inviting these people into our homes and letting them wash our Canadian values and cultures away lol.

While not the same thing, but there is a large Islamic contingent here in Mississauga West where a group of people wanted to have loud speakers play prayers 24/7 (or something like that) at their mosque. It's been squashed, but this group keeps insisting. How you perceive this is up to you.

[BIC_BAWS]

We here in Canada, we make such a deal out of anything. Any slight disagreement is discriminatory by default. Why is that? Why can’t people learn to actually care about more important stuff and instead focusing on meaningless stuff just so that we are politically correct. People are having problems with paying their bills or getting proper health care. And yet our government and people is more interested in whether they are pronouncing a word politically correct.

In the end, it doesn’t concern me. I’m in a position that in the worst case scenario, I pack up the bags and go. But it just saddens me that Canada has come to this. Where people and our government care more about their face than what’s actually good for people.

Having experienced a safer environment or rather feeling safe for the first time since the 2010 Olympics recently, I'd be considering a move as well. I could care less about HK's problems with the CCP, at least it feels safe and they can actually see a damn doctor when they need to. Hell one of my friends who moved to HK, 9 years ago, mentioned that the easiest way to spot a Westerner/European is to watch how protective they are over their bags LOL. For ref, the airport bus has a specific area for luggage, but us Westerners/Europeans prefer to keep it in between our legs lol. Hell I didn't even realize I was hyper active about my surroundings until buddy pointed it out and I walked like an hour in the middle of the night checking over my shoulders for nothing.

Channeling my inner HondaRacer, Vancouver (in general) is so unsafe that I accidentally did my laundry and touristy roamed around in the largest brothel district in Osaka and western Japan LOL. Yeah, it felt grungy, rundown and almost sketchy with the locals staring you down and you feel obviously out of place, but nothing like Vancouver on a regular basis. I didn't know this was a legitimately sketchy neighborhood till I told a Japanese bartender who said "I'm Japanese and I would NEVER venture into that area"

i feel like that is some fear mongering shit. like ok you saw a vid of someone saying it. that is the stance of some insignificant portion of that group. explain how you would think they would force their culture down our throat? by having a wedding tent in their backyard? i live in surrey and i don't see what you are afraid of. yes their culture is visible, so is chinese culture in richmond.

Not what I'm saying and you guys know that's not what I'm saying lol. Ok, so it is an insignificant portion of that group, why isn't our government doing anything about it? That screams like threats of terrorism to me.. but OH NOOOO WE DONT WANNA BE RACIST WAH

[unit]

Indians are saying they're gonna force their culture down the throats of Canadians and force everyone to assimilate to their values?

idk, maybe post the vid then. unless they are threatening attacking people then i don't see how this hits the high bar of terroristic threats..
i know islamic extremists want the world to align with their view, but personally i've never met sikhs that try to push their religion and culture down our throats.
never seen a sikh stand on a corner with a GURU NAKAK WILL COME AGAIN sign, and never had a sikh come to my door. those are things white people do.

[westopher]

Well what do you mean. Someone is saying they are going to make us all Sikh? When has that ever happened. Are they threatening violence if we don’t convert? Like what is the context of all these people forcing their way of life on us? As far as I know we have free will here and we are pretty safe here in Canada from any religious terrorism so I’m really just not feeling this pressure to assimilate to some sort of minority group.

[Badhobz]

^yah plus you look stupid in a turban.

I however, look like Jasmine's fat dad.... minus the beard, and the skintone... and the nose... uhhhhh
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/0/06/Enchanted-tales-disneyscreencaps.com-3678.jpg

[Manic!]

Also have you guys not seen that shit floating around of where Sikh or the other one Indians are saying they're gonna force their culture down the throats of Canadians and force everyone to assimilate to their values??

What the fck is your uneducated ass talking about. Sikhs have never tried to convert anyone and never will. It goes against there core believes. Sikhs don't care what religion you are. Sikhs have literally died protecting other religions.

When it comes to conversions Christians are the worst.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Chau

John Allen Chau (December 18, 1991 – November 17, 2018) was an American evangelical Christian missionary who was killed by the Sentinelese, a tribe in voluntary isolation, after traveling to North Sentinel Island in an attempt to introduce the tribe to Christianity.[3][4]

This is the group he was a part of. https://allnations.international/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bDeqWsNKTQ&t

[68style]

Bic_baws falling into those X algorithm tropes bigtime

wtf looking over your shoulder all the time? I lived in Richmond and Vancouver for 46 years I never looked over my shoulder except a few instances here and there if it was late at night and I’m by myself and heard footsteps or something like that

Weed and algos got you paranoid bro

PS this does not mean I’m some wank yelling “dats wacist!!!!” at everything

[donk.]

. I had Japanese gf's in the past and heard them say this stuff on the reg and can only assume it's gotten worse in the last 10 years.



https://media.tenor.com/noHPqjrvlOwAAAAM/raising-canes-sauce.gif

[underscore]

If you think Vancouver is so unsafe that you'd rather live under the CCP you should probably talk to a therapist or something.

[yray]

china is tight now because cameras are everywhere

it is pretty fucked up here that they can't arrest the guy that try to steal the cat off my truck even though I have 4k footage and the truck he drove was his personal vehicle :lawl:

[BIC_BAWS]

wtf looking over your shoulder all the time? I lived in Richmond and Vancouver for 46 years I never looked over my shoulder except a few instances here and there if it was late at night and I’m by myself and heard footsteps or something like that


No, I said I didn't realize that I was normally being hyperactive about my surroundings. And definitely always late at night or hearing weird sounds. You definitely walk around late at night less as an adult - we all drive now. You ever walk around downtown late at night or around like 8/9pm when no one is around? LOL

If you think Vancouver is so unsafe that you'd rather live under the CCP you should probably talk to a therapist or something.

I don't think the CCP (or rather politics) will affect me as a normal non-politically outspoken person as much as having to pay more than 13% for income tax, having to be hyper aware of surroundings, having to pay more money to have hobbies/eat/travel than here, etc

Yeah, the living size sucks. But on the opposite end, I also have all this useless space... Makes no difference,

china is tight now because cameras are everywhere

it is pretty fucked up here that they can't arrest the guy that try to steal the cat off my truck even though I have 4k footage and the truck he drove was his personal vehicle :lawl:

At least, if someone robs me in HK, they'll actually be put in jail instead of a revolving door of catch and release. Crazy that the only people actually punished here are law abiding citizens lol - people with something to lose. Say what you will about big brother gov society, but like why does a normal person need privacy - you're not doing anything fucked up. What's the gov gonna do? Watch me jerk off? Plus if you really had to be worried about govvy surveillance, you're probably already being watched and if not that, your internet metadata has all your info - makes no difference.

[68style]

Dude when did you start sounding like a bad X feed? Honestly? Especially that whole "If you're not doing anything wrong why does surveillance matter" ideology is bonkers dude. You have ZERO control over when they decide to use that data for nefarious reasons or stomp all over your rights / rug pull you from what you expect to be a norm... just hand that to them on a silver platter for nothing? Well good luck to you if you move, not sure how you plan to afford HK if you can't afford Van.

And yah I used to work in downtown for 7 years, 9 days every 2 weeks so I spent lots of time down there at all times of day nevermind going to tonnes of concerts and bar functions... I didn't die after I turned 35 lol... and given my proximity to the Canada Line I walked to/from that for all my transpo, no cars into downtown.

Where you getting all these kwazee cupcake ideas from? Law abiding citizens being punished? How? Where? When? I've never been punished for anything... speeding tickets?? No idea what you're going on about man.

I mean if you want to move and you like somewhere better, more power to you... but acting like BC or Canada has fucked you over/put you into some kind of bad position somehow is not a hot take.

[Manic!]

No, I said I didn't realize that I was normally being hyperactive about my surroundings. And definitely always late at night or hearing weird sounds. You definitely walk around late at night less as an adult - we all drive now. You ever walk around downtown late at night or around like 8/9pm when no one is around? LOL



Stop being a pussy.

[VRYALT3R3D]

If you think Vancouver is so unsafe that you'd rather live under the CCP you should probably talk to a therapist or something.

Beijing is soooo much nicer than Vancouver.

[yray]

bic baws got sick, must be the 5g vaccine he got

[Manic!]

Beijing is soooo much nicer than Vancouver.

So why do you live in Canada?

[VRYALT3R3D]

So why do you live in Canada?

To vote conservative, bro.

Cheers,

[Manic!]

To vote conservative, bro.

Cheers,

Bro!!!

https://travel.gc.ca/travelling/living-abroad/elections-faq

[unit]

Beijing is soooo much nicer than Vancouver.

Not that you would know, bro

[VRYALT3R3D]

Not that you would know, bro

You seriously think Vancouver is better than Beijing????!!!! Just LOL

Bro....

Cheers,

[bcrdukes]

Slightly off-topic, but what happened to BIC_BAWS?

[68style]

Beijing so nice! No humidity at all, no pollution at all

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/FC9A/production/_99466646_77b5dc60-5b87-4dd7-a751-ed70970881ad.jpg

[unit]

You seriously think Vancouver is better than Beijing????!!!! Just LOL

Bro....

Cheers,



Not what im saying here, bro

[VRYALT3R3D]

Not what im saying here, bro

https://www.ccn.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/charlie-kirk-meme-token.webp

[yray]

beijing is nice if you're hehe rich

africa can be nice too

[whitev70r]

Slightly off-topic, but what happened to BIC_BAWS?

maybe he sold his RS account info to VRYTA3XXX... 's brother?

[AstulzerRZD]

Slightly off-topic, but what happened to BIC_BAWS?

the japanese locked him up

[bcrdukes]

RIP BIC_BAWS

[supafamous]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/elon-musk-adl-turning-point-usa-b2835605.html
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/sep/29/elon-musk-anti-defamation-league-christian-extremism

The Anti-Defamation League has labelled Charlie Kirk's organization, TPUSA, as being extremist. The ADL is an anti-nazi organzation that fights anti-semitism.

Elon Musk is in a rage about this and has called the ADL a hate group - the ADL has previously defended Musk after Musk made a "Roman salute" at a Republican event.

As you all know I'm a simple man but when an organisation that is ok with Nazi salutes says that the views of Charlie Kirk's organization are extremist I guess that must mean something.

[mikemhg]

Been saying this for a minute, hence I didn't even feel like going back and forth with Hehe, it is a waste of my time.

If you're blind to the Christian nationalist movement and its storied history in the US, you would not be able to read the dog whistling Kirk and his shitty non-profit organization TPUSA is pushing.

Fuck them.

[68style]

But it’s encouraging conversations and discourse Mike, prove me wrong!!!1!!11!!!

And no I won’t interrupt you every 5 seconds with a tangent or whataboutism :derp:

[mikemhg]

I doubt a guy coming out of Argentina (Hehe), a country built on its own extensive storied issues with historical racist ideologies would understand anyways :lol

Keep fighting the good fight Hehe, hopefully those whities will fully accept your people as their own eventually :)

Meh.

[Hehe]

I doubt a guy coming out of Argentina (Hehe), a country built on its own extensive storied issues with historical racist ideologies would understand anyways :lol

Keep fighting the good fight Hehe, hopefully those whities will fully accept your people as their own eventually :)

Meh.

I have had a lot of issues with racism growing up as you said. But that never stopped me or my family to do great.

As a matter of fact, my dad went from a net worth of barely 6 figures to 8 figures during his stay there (about 15 years). In his car perspective, he went from a crappy cheapo used Ford Falcon to brand new Range Rover while there.

That’s why I could never believe when someone says racism is an issue when it comes to making big. It’s only how you see it. If you constantly want to believe that it’s the systematic racism that’s holding you down, then you’d never fight against it.

I personally just don’t see it as an issue but rather motivation to work harder.

And once you make it big, they would be begging you to join their group. Whether it’s investor group or philanthropy. The amount of ass licking I’ve seen is unbelievable. And that’s coming from people of all races.

[Gerbs]

beijing is nice if you're hehe rich

africa can be nice too

Just got back from my china trip, I thought it was going to be a shit hole based off everyone's negative sentiments.


It's cleaner than Vancouver, no human or dog shit on the floor, and you can buy so much luxury :lawl:


When I saw blue skies in Shanghai, I thought it was supposed to be super polluted, I'm so confused.

[BIC_BAWS]

Just got back from my china trip, I thought it was going to be a shit hole based off everyone's negative sentiments.


It's cleaner than Vancouver, no human or dog shit on the floor, and you can buy so much luxury :lawl:


When I saw blue skies in Shanghai, I thought it was supposed to be super polluted, I'm so confused.

Hate to say it but.. Western/European propaganda. I think we're the brain washed ones LOL.

Not a single crackhead in sight? Fucking beautiful.

That river on your story was awfully.. chocolatey tho

[bcrdukes]

Hate to say it but.. Western/European propaganda. I think we're the brain washed ones LOL.

Not a single crackhead in sight? Fucking beautiful.

That river on your story was awfully.. chocolatey tho

While my experience was similar back in 2019, I think it's fair to say that there is also the possibility that we, as tourists, may not get to see. I would disagree that Western/European propaganda is the reason we may feel that China is a hell hole, but there are lots of areas in China that normal tourists don't get to go to, so we don't see the real China, or what happens behind the scenes. On the other hand, China has changed a lot over the past 30+ years.

I did not enjoy my trip to China, no matter how clean or crackhead-free it was. Would I live there? Absolutely not.

[Badhobz]

Just got back from my china trip, I thought it was going to be a shit hole based off everyone's negative sentiments.


It's cleaner than Vancouver, no human or dog shit on the floor, and you can buy so much luxury :lawl:


When I saw blue skies in Shanghai, I thought it was supposed to be super polluted, I'm so confused.

you went to my home and didnt ask me for advice?!!??! :rukidding:

ITS SHIT. DONT GO
p.s. All the buttfuck farmers have already ruined the city.

[Great68]

When I saw blue skies in Shanghai, I thought it was supposed to be super polluted, I'm so confused.

I went in 2005 for a week, never saw blue sky once through the smog.
The streets were clean, but there were LOTS of beggars on the street. Not crackheads, but disabled people who seemed like they were cast aside by society.
Also the spitting on the sidewalk... that was pretty gross.
But I did feel safe walking around at night, that street with all the night clubs door to door was kind of neat. Don't like one club? Take your drink to the one next door!

Sounds like they've cleaned up quite a bit in the past 20 years.

[supafamous]

While my experience was similar back in 2019, I think it's fair to say that there is also the possibility that we, as tourists, may not get to see. I would disagree that Western/European propaganda is the reason we may feel that China is a hell hole, but there are lots of areas in China that normal tourists don't get to go to, so we don't see the real China, or what happens behind the scenes. On the other hand, China has changed a lot over the past 30+ years.

I did not enjoy my trip to China, no matter how clean or crackhead-free it was. Would I live there? Absolutely not.

BIC totally did not see those kids sewing soccer balls for Nike and putting together my Uniqlo t-shirts nor did he see the concentration camps for the Uyghurs where the Chinese are systematically committing genocide.

It's easy for tourist to visit a place and think things are great in those places. It's the same when old timers think things were better in the old days. I'm sure there's lot of good stuff in China nowadays compared to when I went 20+ years ago - my parents always rave about it but there's plenty you don't get to see if you don't actually live there long-term.

BTW: Does anyone know which Scandinavian country Honda ended up moving to?

[Hehe]

you went to my home and didnt ask me for advice?!!??! :rukidding:

ITS SHIT. DONT GO
p.s. All the buttfuck farmers have already ruined the city.

Do share. Heading there in a few days actually.

[Badhobz]

You're Taiwanese. get the fuck out of my city you separatist bastard!

Shanghai you go for the shopping, food, and thats about it... not the most scenic city.

but this sort of shit is cool

Shanghai Zhujiajiao Ancient Town Tourist Zone <-- instead of going to suzhou, you can just do this fake ass version.. suzhou is still better, go there instead)
Former French Concession Zone <-- best of colonialism, my parents' ancestral home is in this district.
Xintiandi District <--- shopping
Tianzifang <-- arts and crafts and trash
Donghai Bridge <-- rent a car and drive this bridge, itts pretty awesome. its insanely long, and connects a few islands to the mainland.

[Gerbs]

That river on your story was awfully.. chocolatey tho

They probably poured all that spicy soup into the river. That hotel was $120 cad a night for 600sqft, 50th floor lol

[westopher]

I went to Banff and it was clean as a whistle. No homeless people and snow capped mountains everywhere! This country couldn’t possibly have any issues.

[Gerbs]

There were no beggars, disabled chopped up ppl begging, crackheads.

People don't even spit that much either which is odd. There's no honking and 80-99% of the cars are EV.

At one point, we had to nam squat, smoke and start spitting to become the stereotype.

BIC totally did not see those kids sewing soccer balls for Nike and putting together my Uniqlo t-shirts nor did he see the concentration camps for the Uyghurs where the Chinese are systematically committing genocide.

It's easy for tourist to visit a place and think things are great in those places. It's the same when old timers think things were better in the old days. I'm sure there's lot of good stuff in China nowadays compared to when I went 20+ years ago - my parents always rave about it but there's plenty you don't get to see if you don't actually live there long-term.

BTW: Does anyone know which Scandinavian country Honda ended up moving to?

We drove by semi conductor factories where workers get free housing and meals but work 9-9-6. Apparently it's great economic opportunity from people goin from tier 4 farmer life to tier 3/2ish wealth.

Please send videos of the genocide or kids factories from live leaks.

Kind of conflicted, if these factories for Nike or Uniqlo didn't exist what economic opportunities would tier 4 kids have.

[supafamous]

There were no beggars, disabled chopped up ppl begging, crackheads.

People don't even spit that much either which is odd. There's no honking and 80-99% of the cars are EV.

At one point, we had to nam squat, smoke and start spitting to become the stereotype.

We drove by semi conductor factories where workers get free housing and meals but work 9-9-6. Apparently it's great economic opportunity from people goin from tier 4 farmer life to tier 3/2ish wealth.

Please send videos of the genocide or kids factories from live leaks.

Kind of conflicted, if these factories for Nike or Uniqlo didn't exist what economic opportunities would tier 4 kids have.

I'm being slightly facetious about child labour - that's mostly moved to other poor countries but the genocide is not really in dispute. If you're saying it's not true your head is buried under the sand.

Genocide watch has China at stage 9 out of 10 (extermination) for their actions against the Uyghurs people. https://www.genocidewatch.com/country-pages/china

A simple Google search shows plenty of human rights organizations reporting on this - China doesn't get punished for it b/c it's simply too powerful to be punished.

Canada is not a nation without sin, both past and present, but China's current actions in Xinjiang are full of sin even as they move their people forward in incredible ways.