[Badhobz]

Not for me, but a few buddies of mine have been going through absolute hell trying to find meaningful employment. Ageism is a serious issue, education seems meaningless, and calls for interview seems to based on a lottery system than actual qualifications.

I’m glad I’m not searching. Otherwise I’d probably blow my fucking brains out trying to convince these HR cunts that I won’t be skipping out of work mid day to go to Costco and then dicking off home at 1pm.

Evofire got a new job recently. How was that shit ?

[RabidRat]

With the economy in its current state, the problem's been compounding. Recruiting teams have been scaling back, so they have even less time and energy available to properly screen applicants.

That makes it even harder for someone to try to get an interview without an "in" :/.

[CivicBlues]

Yeah it sucks tits out there, I was looking for work for three months last year and only managed to get in from an old manager's referral. Hard to believe it was only 3 or 4 years back during the Great Resignation I job hopped multiple times to get a 75% increase from my 2019 baseline. I guess I flew too close to the sun I had to take a 20% cut at the latest job.

[MarkyMark]

Hobz has to hook everyone up with dirty dock work now

[whitev70r]

Yeah it sucks tits out there, I was looking for work for three months last year and only managed to get in from an old manager's referral. Hard to believe it was only 3 or 4 years back during the Great Resignation I job hopped multiple times to get a 75% increase from my 2019 baseline. I guess I flew too close to the sun I had to take a 20% cut at the latest job.

From the context of your point, I think you misused that slang. Your use would imply that job hunting is a pleasant experience. Perhaps, you meant, 'it sucks dick' out there'?

[CivicBlues]

sure maybe I should have said it sucks man tits out there. Either way the sucking part is apt.

[bcrdukes]

I applied to Translink again and they have blocked my IP. It's rough out there, folks.

[quasi]

My kid and my niece both had to rely on people they know to get minimum wage jobs so it's not just skilled positions, finding a burger flipping job is really hard right now for most young people, most my sons friends group all went through the same shit, 100's of applications to get one shitty McJob.

I have a friend in Washington State who came out of the military, finished his comp sci degree last year, and has had zero luck as that industry is kind of fucked at the moment. He's considering reenlisting but he never loved his time there.

I'm kind of in a niche job, I get a lot of recruiters still reaching out regularly but no way I'm leaving my WFH behind if I don't have to.

It's overall shitty out there, I feel if you don't have a referral/inside track the odds of getting actually hired anywhere are pretty slim right now.

[Badhobz]

I mean what is a guy to do if you got monthly payments and a family to support ? Gig work? How many more uber drivers can this city handle ?

It’s fucked up man. This is Canada. Canadian boys should not be in this position where even shitty entry level jobs you gotta fight Gupeert and Tum Dan Wong. Fucking immigrants. I blame all these shit faced immigrants and yes I understand that I was also an immigrant but fuck you.

Another turd bullshit policy where he sold these immigrants a story that would never come true and flooded the country full of people that have zero prospects.

[N.V.M.]

geez we’re constantly hiring and so are other shops. good thing for us is the rich get richer.

[HonestTea]

It's pretty wack in the job market, there's so many layoffs and even experienced people are having trouble finding jobs or even getting interviews.

I'm in tech and I think it's even worst, you're competing with all these experienced and tenured folks for a handful of positions. I feel bad for recent grads that are all having problems looking for employment. AI sure isn't helping too with most companies 'shifting' their spend to AI than headcount.

I'd really hate to be job hunting right now, so as much as I want to jump and get a 20%+ raise, job security seems to be the better gamble now.

[Eff-1]

young people like high schoolers/early 20s complain they can't get jobs.

small business owners, especially in rural areas, complain they can't find enough workers and want more access to temporary foreign workers.

who to believe?

I feel kind of like blaming the kids? feels like compared to 20 or 30 years ago, less kids these days want to work in fast food/entry level jobs, but then complain they can't find employment. but I don't talk to teenagers much so maybe I'm wrong.

[Badhobz]

I’m also very certain this ageism thing is real. They look at what year you graduated and instantly NOPE you out if you’re 40+. I guess they figure anyone who’s 40+ should already have their career path set and if they seek an entry into a different field they’ll instantly reject it.

[whitev70r]

Maybe recent grads should try content creator?

[spoon.ek9]

plenty of healthcare jobs out there... just sayin'

[68style]

Then we’d have to work with you tho! Ew.

[Badhobz]

plenty of healthcare jobs out there... just sayin'

That’s a really really hard gig. Plus you can’t exactly just jump into it. You need some sort of education and getting a piece of paper nowadays is a long and expensive.

[JDMDreams]

Singh Hortons? I know Guangdong jobs be booming, just need to learn to wok or wrap dim sum, no tax too :ifyouknow:

[Badhobz]

Lawl I’ve only seen the no3 road boba 101 hire some cha lo. Otherwise no china place would ever hire any other race

[JDMDreams]

Would you want curry bbt?

[Badhobz]

I don’t go there anymore.

[spoon.ek9]

That’s a really really hard gig. Plus you can’t exactly just jump into it. You need some sort of education and getting a piece of paper nowadays is a long and expensive.

There are jobs where the schooling is only 1-2 years long. Others would be in the 3-4 year range I believe. Lots of people think hospitals only employ Nurses and Doctors but there are WAY more jobs than that. If your kid is uhh... academically challenged, there's other jobs here that are still union and at least guarantee them hours and benefits.

[whitev70r]

Care Aid is a job that gets people points for PR.
LPN ... just a little under an RN but still a very good position.

[spoon.ek9]

Out of curiousity, I looked up Medical Lab Assistant (MLA) program and it's 8 months at VCC. Tuition is low, duration is short and the job would be union. Wages are... ok.

[bcrdukes]

There are jobs where the schooling is only 1-2 years long. Others would be in the 3-4 year range I believe.

This is quite positive!

There are examples like me who are in graduate school with...no job prospect! :concentrate:

[supafamous]

Tech is tough if you're entry level or intermediate but it's mostly manageable above that - definitely not the heyday of before and I've seen people eventually have to give up their hunt and go into other fields. I know a guy who I'd almost consider a peer who applied for over 200 jobs and reached final round a half dozen times before he landed a job that I considered a step back for him.

OTOH, I've helped 5 of my clients land new jobs in Q1 and helped several others land work through pro bono mentorship. I expect to have a couple more clients will land work this quarter as well. None of these people took a step back in salary either. Edit: I have also met a number of folks who leave me pretty unimpressed who end up with solid to great jobs that have me going, "YOU?! YOOOOOUUUUU?!" so there's obviously still work for below average talent (I consider myself an excellent talent evaluator.)

IMO, the biggest problem is fit and not the number of jobs (this is still a problem though) - hiring managers are looking for very specific skills and experience today. In the past we hired on potential and we liked generalists because we were hiring so much we could take risks on who we hired and we needed to be flexible about what the business needed. Now hiring managers know they only have 1 open head all year so they better make it count so they won't hire someone unless they are exactly the person they need so finding fit is really hard.

[EvoFire]

I sent probably around 50+ applications.

I got a response with 8 companies, 9 applications, interviewed with 8 of them.

1 was a previous recruiter that I knew
3 cold applications
5 referrals

I had 2 offers, and 3 final stage interviews

The one company I got a response from but didn't interview with was BCFerries. I applied in late December and they got back to me in March, 4 days before I was leaving for my trip, and I was at the cusp of accepting an offer. They were not going to be able to match the offer anyways and I told them I was going to be away and won't be able to take their interview.

There were honestly a lot more job postings than I thought there would be in tech, however because of the economic climate, companies were A LOT pickier than before. They weren't willing to waste a precious head count unless the candidate was absolutely perfect. Salaries were all over the place. I personally also think that a lot of the postings were fake. I applied to both Vancity and Royal Bank with a very strong fit resume but never got a response, not even a you weren't selected.

There are also a lot more scammy things happening. This started late covid, where recruiters would reach out and they'd try to get you to send them your resume but then ghost you right after. Having to vet through ppl who would message you adds to the complexity of an already shitty process.

I'm not seeing a huge amount of ageist things yet, at least not at 39. IMO with 13 years experience in my niche under my belt and multiple big companies on my resume, I'm not at a point where I am unwanted. I can see that being problem when I'm 50+. I have a very strong benefit of being able to speak proper English, where in tech, can be a bit of a premium quality.

[BIC_BAWS]

I have a friend in Washington State who came out of the military, finished his comp sci degree last year, and has had zero luck as that industry is kind of fucked at the moment. He's considering reenlisting but he never loved his time there.

If he's been in the military for awhile he should be able to transition to cyber defense pretty easily. Or get a US CPA as well and print SOC2 Attestations for $$$.

[teggy604]

young people like high schoolers/early 20s complain they can't get jobs.

small business owners, especially in rural areas, complain they can't find enough workers and want more access to temporary foreign workers.

who to believe?

I feel kind of like blaming the kids? feels like compared to 20 or 30 years ago, less kids these days want to work in fast food/entry level jobs, but then complain they can't find employment. but I don't talk to teenagers much so maybe I'm wrong.

I agree. I don't see them work fast food anymore. Unlike our generation where we worked PNE, fast food, and physical labour jobs.


However, I do see them working at Starbucks. And retails like Aritzia, Sephora etc.. Maybe for the discounts. lol.

[Badhobz]

Almost all fast food jobs are held by east indian migrants
Most of the temp gig jobs are also dominated by EI imigrants
Sales /greeter job seems to be the last bastion of where your average canadian kids are finding employment.

Im not even sure where the chinese kids are working since i never see any of them around. Probably all playing Piano and/or trying to be some influencer bullshit.

[EvoFire]

Almost all fast food jobs are held by east indian migrants
Most of the temp gig jobs are also dominated by EI imigrants
Sales /greeter job seems to be the last bastion of where your average canadian kids are finding employment.

Im not even sure where the chinese kids are working since i never see any of them around. Probably all playing Piano and/or trying to be some influencer bullshit.

Fantuan

[supafamous]

There were honestly a lot more job postings than I thought there would be in tech, however because of the economic climate, companies were A LOT pickier than before. They weren't willing to waste a precious head count unless the candidate was absolutely perfect. Salaries were all over the place. I personally also think that a lot of the postings were fake. I applied to both Vancity and Royal Bank with a very strong fit resume but never got a response, not even a you weren't selected.

Ghost/fake jobs are definitely a bigger thing today than they were a few years ago. This article did some research into the problem: https://clarifycapital.com/ghost-jobs

tldr: 27% of hiring managers have opening up for more than 4 months, close to half of those acknowledge that they kept the posting up for appearances sake (to make it look like they were growing). A third did it to placate overworked employees.

I'm not seeing a huge amount of ageist things yet, at least not at 39. IMO with 13 years experience in my niche under my belt and multiple big companies on my resume, I'm not at a point where I am unwanted. I can see that being problem when I'm 50+. I have a very strong benefit of being able to speak proper English, where in tech, can be a bit of a premium quality.

Ageism in tech seems to start showing up in the late 40s and even then how you look makes a big difference along with how you talk about your experience.

That almost peer of mine that applied for 200 jobs is my age (~50) but he looks quite a bit older than me (big ol' bald spot, overweight) and was definitely getting some ageism both on looks and how he spoke about his experience. A former manager of mine is early 60s (looks older than that and has the cadence of an old person) and is absolutely getting aged out - he's getting pretty bitter about it as he's been looking for work for over 6 months now.

The threshold I see is when you have more than 20 years experience then you better be able to teach the job versus do the job and/or you stop talking about anything that happened more than 15 years ago.

OTOH, I sorta have the opposite problem to a degree. I look like I'm in my late 30s and since I'm doing coaching work it's important for me to state my level of experience and age to show that I have the experience they need in a coach. Some people assume I'm too young to be coaching (then I reference 80s pop culture and I'm an old fart).

[teggy604]

Almost all fast food jobs are held by east indian migrants
Most of the temp gig jobs are also dominated by EI imigrants
Sales /greeter job seems to be the last bastion of where your average canadian kids are finding employment.

Im not even sure where the chinese kids are working since i never see any of them around. Probably all playing Piano and/or trying to be some influencer bullshit.

Their parents are rich and get allowances. All they have to do is school full time in university. And do their piano or violin lessons. Lol

[underscore]

I haven't been actively searching for about 9 months now, but it was already slow back then and the number of recruiters randomly contacting me has dropped off a ton in the last 6 months so I'm guessing it's even worse. I have a similar problem to supa, apparently I look younger than I should for the amount of experience I have and it can be difficult to get people to understand I'm not entry level which probably doesn't help.

I’m also very certain this ageism thing is real. They look at what year you graduated and instantly NOPE you out if you’re 40+. I guess they figure anyone who’s 40+ should already have their career path set and if they seek an entry into a different field they’ll instantly reject it.

Take the year off the resume. Part of my severance thing when I got laid off last year was some input from a company that helps you find a job and they completely reworked my resume and provided input on my LinkedIn profile and all that jazz, and it was very different from how I had it before.

They want to be searching on every site they can find as well. A lot of them may not be relevant to their industry but there should still be a bunch to be looking though and setting up alerts on.

[Badhobz]

i should start fat guy karate just like this dude. tackle and grapple!

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hcJLpsZLIgI

[EvoFire]

Ghost/fake jobs are definitely a bigger thing today than they were a few years ago. This article did some research into the problem: https://clarifycapital.com/ghost-jobs

tldr: 27% of hiring managers have opening up for more than 4 months, close to half of those acknowledge that they kept the posting up for appearances sake (to make it look like they were growing). A third did it to placate overworked employees.



Ageism in tech seems to start showing up in the late 40s and even then how you look makes a big difference along with how you talk about your experience.

That almost peer of mine that applied for 200 jobs is my age (~50) but he looks quite a bit older than me (big ol' bald spot, overweight) and was definitely getting some ageism both on looks and how he spoke about his experience. A former manager of mine is early 60s (looks older than that and has the cadence of an old person) and is absolutely getting aged out - he's getting pretty bitter about it as he's been looking for work for over 6 months now.

The threshold I see is when you have more than 20 years experience then you better be able to teach the job versus do the job and/or you stop talking about anything that happened more than 15 years ago.

OTOH, I sorta have the opposite problem to a degree. I look like I'm in my late 30s and since I'm doing coaching work it's important for me to state my level of experience and age to show that I have the experience they need in a coach. Some people assume I'm too young to be coaching (then I reference 80s pop culture and I'm an old fart).

The benefit of the Asian genes. Ditto if you have white hair. If you need to look old, let the white hair grow. If you need to look young, dye it all a medium to dark brown.

My problem right now is I want to move up the chain of command, but I had chased the money rather than the title before, and with the climate being the way it is, no one is willing to give me the chance because I never held the title despite doing leadership work.

[Hehe]

What's a job? :fuckthatshit:





J/k aside, I own my own business so, I'm going to share from the other side of perspective.
I believe it can be useful for those who are looking for a job.

When I hire someone, my questions basically surround how much of my problem can you solve for me? The more problems (or % of the problem) one can solve, the better chance that person has of getting hired.

That's why for people who I know that they would never start their own business, I've always recommended them, continue to invest in yourself. The more problem you can solve, either vertically or horizontally, the better the chance you have at getting a job.

Going vertically, make you an ideal candidate for long term employee. Because your expertise matters. Going horizontally, makes you an ideal candidate for management material since if you know every aspect of the company, then managing them should be easier.

[Vansterdam]

trying to find a second part time job myself.

rough out there bruhs

[Badhobz]

What's a job? :fuckthatshit:





J/k aside, I own my own business so, I'm going to share from the other side of perspective.
I believe it can be useful for those who are looking for a job.

When I hire someone, my questions basically surround how much of my problem can you solve for me? The more problems (or % of the problem) one can solve, the better chance that person has of getting hired.

That's why for people who I know that they would never start their own business, I've always recommended them, continue to invest in yourself. The more problem you can solve, either vertically or horizontally, the better the chance you have at getting a job.

Going vertically, make you an ideal candidate for long term employee. Because your expertise matters. Going horizontally, makes you an ideal candidate for management material since if you know every aspect of the company, then managing them should be easier.

:drunk: that some useless jargony bullshit right there! :badpokerface:

[Hehe]

:drunk: that some useless jargony bullshit right there! :badpokerface:

iykyk.

But really... a lot of ppl today complain about not able to get a job and whatnot. Many don't make any effort. They just want a job that pays for their time there.

Very often, I ask a candidate, what do you know about this... and they give me answer that has zero inspiration. It's like I click on the icon, put some number in and this happens.

Worse, there's zero passion to advance in the work. Sure, we might not have the most lucrative industry, but still... at least pretend.

[Badhobz]

bro i dont think you've ever worked a normal job in your life.

[Hehe]

bro i dont think you've ever worked a normal job in your life.

I spent

4yrs at various entry level jobs
2yrs at London Drugs.
2yrs at a major laptop manufacturer as sales.
3yrs as sales at major M&A law firm.

Not sure what's normal but I think I did my time.

[Badhobz]

https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/v2/D4E10AQFtqRmpVzt7Kg/image-shrink_1280/image-shrink_1280/0/1712589662269?e=2147483647&v=beta&t=p3WCTg7e6w5hqcey7KGwAaMjLhn1sxv5gk4kmu_i3Dg

[MarkyMark]

I'm so happy I'm just a dumb tradie who doesn't have to answer bullshit questions with inspirational answers just to get a job lol

[Hehe]

I'm so happy I'm just a dumb tradie who doesn't have to answer bullshit questions with inspirational answers just to get a job lol

Well... it can't be all inspiration either.

The best way I'd say is this... show me how you do, don't tell me what you do.

I get zero sense of your ability if you are just telling me what you do at work. Show me how you to do things in a particular way. This way, I know you actually know your shit instead of just following a SOP. Very often when I interview someone, I don't know the specific answer. When I interview someone who I need them to speak French, I don't know jack about French. But if they can say a few sentences confidently that sounds like French and can even explain it to me, I'd take that they are quite fluent.

Maybe it's got something to do with most of my work as sales. In sales, if you don't know your stuff and just bs-ing, they can tell from a mile away. But if you are just memorizing a sales pitch and not understand it fully, you'd get crushed at Q&A. Whenever I'm doing a pitch, I usually have a very decent idea about the whole thing. Even in case where the proposal is probably 800pages long.

[noclue]

For those in tech that got a new job, did you go up in TC or take a hit?

[bcrdukes]

For those in tech that got a new job, did you go up in TC or take a hit?

Not tech, but I'm on welfare now, so... :peek:

[Hehe]

For those in tech that got a new job, did you go up in TC or take a hit?

In tech, if you are jumping and not getting higher TC, why bother?

For anything tech, I strongly recommend to really focus on AI now.

Large companies now would only hire AI-related stuff. Small-mid companies are in transition to AI. And even if it's something as simple as intro their operation to be optimized by AI, it can open quite some doors.

Some of the wages are insane.

My nephew got into Anthropic and gets about 1.4M USD between salary+stock. Yes, yearly. He's 23. He has made more money at 23 than what I made from 20-30 combined. Sure, he's UC Berkley grad+accepted at Stanford PhD (dropped out to go to Anthropic), but still. He said his comp is average among his peers.

My friend who was a lowly logic programmer got into AI and went from 110k to 340k.

Companies are willing to pay insane money nowadays for anything AI. If you are in the field, might as well try to ride the wave.

[Badhobz]

wow! Even your nephew is rich! WHAT AN awesome INSUFFERABLEfamily!

[Hehe]

wow! Even your nephew is rich! WHAT AN awesome INSUFFERABLEfamily!

Again, I'm just saying as an example closer to IRL.

There are AI superstars that META offers them hundred of millions just as signing bonus.

If one's in IT and doesn't try to ride on the AI wave, don't ever come complaining about not finding job or being broke a few years down. Because AI is going to wipe most them out within 5yrs.

I caught my opportunity when I had mine and made my money. But often I see ppl complaining being broke and yet when the opportunity comes around, they hesitate to take it.

I absolutely despise those ppl because there are ppl who were never offered an opportunity. But for the most of us who are on here, I'm sure an opportunity came around at some point. Like you Hobz. Whatever you did to make it, you made the most out of that opportunity.

People like my dad say I should be humble and whatnot. And I say, it's not like I go and talk trash to ppl. I actually want to offer my experience and knowledge for others and let people know what they can do if they just... do.

But this world is filled with too much shit. Making trust an issue.

A lot of people came to me asking how I make money on CRE, and I give them the full recipe. Nothing is held back. I probably told 50ppl about it. But only 2 ppl ever gone ahead and followed my model. And both of them did quite well.

So no, I'm not bragging or anything. I'm just saying, opportunities are everywhere. And what I'm seeing is this. It's up to you what to make of it.

[N.V.M.]

I'm so happy I'm just a dumb tradie who doesn't have to answer bullshit questions with inspirational answers just to get a job lol

same. the shit in this thread.

[JDMDreams]

Where do you see yourself in 5 years :pokerface:

[68style]

Grand overlord of the country of Alberta

[EvoFire]

Where do you see yourself in 5 years :pokerface:

I've almost never been asked this ever

[whitev70r]

If it's government sector, be prepared for question, 'What can you do to foster inclusivity?' ... then your answer should include some BS about Indigenous, visible minority (in Vancouver meaning white people), LBGT2XXX, etc.

[JDMDreams]

^ but shareholder value

[supafamous]

I'm so happy I'm just a dumb tradie who doesn't have to answer bullshit questions with inspirational answers just to get a job lol

Other than the comment about "inspiration" I'd have to agree with the rest of what Hehe says about what the hiring manager is looking for - it's largely the same stuff I coach my clients on (and which is landing them jobs). As a hiring manager I don't really give a shit about your personal story or your passions - I care about whether you can fix the problem I have on my team first and foremost.

Interviewing can be pretty performative in tech (and adjacent industries) though - most companies do a really shitty job of interviewing so they dump a whole of bunch useless shit on the candidate (here's a take-home assignment that we want you to only spend 2 hours on but you'll really spend 16 hours on) that has no material impact on whether you can do the job or not.

Getting the job SHOULD be harder than doing the job but there's a lot of bullshit attached to it especially in a shaky job market.

For those in tech that got a new job, did you go up in TC or take a hit?

My clients who landed jobs in Q1 didn't take cuts in TC - the best case one got a $50k raise, the worst case broke even (by choice). However if you're coming from big tech (AMZN, MSFT etc) then you can expect to take a cut if you're staying in Vancouver. Folks in SF are taking much bigger hits though - like the Google Director who was jobless for 9 months who ended up at EA as a Director (he likely took a 50% cut or more).

[GS8]

I've got stories on this subject matter. Could even make me an SME...

Won't share them here though. PM is fine.

[RabidRat]

It's kinda counterproductive to rail against Hehe's take.

In the same way that success in the workplace is finding a way to make your boss succeed, success at an interview is explaining to the hiring panel how you're going to make them succeed.

"I put in X years and therefore I deserve Y" probably makes a lot of sense in a protected (unionized) industry, but I don't think we're all lucky enough to have landed in an industry like that.

For the rest of us, we can keep complaining about how rigged the game is, or we can play the game to our advantage. Complaining feels real good, but the good feels aren't going to put any food on the table.

[TypeRNammer]

Youngest person that got hired was 20 years old at CMBC as a driver

The oldest person from my knowledge was my classmate 62 years of age, I believe he's 72 now

Ironically enough, it's easier to get hired here than McDonald's

[Tapioca]

Tech-bros live in a completely different world when it comes to compensation, working conditions, etc.

At the end of the day, it's who you know and how you present yourself which gets your foot in the door, good times and bad.

On another note, there's been lots of coverage about young people's struggles in the job market. I went to a retail store over the weekend that was staffed by non-TFW young people. I asked a simple question about a product line and the difference between a sale product vs one at regular price. The first young person seemed afraid and couldn't answer my question. Fortunately, there was someone else more senior who could answer my question.

I don't want to be hard on young people, but you should know the products you're selling and be able to have a conversation with customers. Maybe you could blame poor training by the management team at the store, but on the other hand, I've had enough interactions with young people who don't seem comfortable talking to people in front of them. It seems like a widespread problem. In an age of AI, human authenticity is going to be the only thing that sets people apart from the agents. And if young people can't have a conversation with other humans and show their personality, they're truly doomed.

[Badhobz]

yes thats what i wanted to say as well, but my field is also from outer space and one that nobody can relate to.

Not sure how the average schmoe is doing, but it cant be good cuz these kids arent working at all.

I was thinking there might be easy answers like : garbage man, cityhall worker, bank teller, etc but i think even those jobs are few and far between.

[bcrdukes]

Last 6 weeks of job applications:
CMBC bus driver - Insta-rejected
McDonalds - No call back for interview
Rona and Home Depot - Hiring for seasonal roles completed
Pfaff BMW parts delivery - No automotive experience.. Rejected.

It's rough out there.

[Tapioca]

yes thats what i wanted to say as well, but my field is also from outer space and one that nobody can relate to.

Not sure how the average schmoe is doing, but it cant be good cuz these kids arent working at all.

I was thinking there might be easy answers like : garbage man, cityhall worker, bank teller, etc but i think even those jobs are few and far between.

For the average schmoe who's in between jobs, I'm seeing lots of opportunities for gig work. So many people these days are willing to pay money to have their dogs walked, to have their houses cleaned, and for general handyman services.

[68style]

Last 6 weeks of job applications:
CMBC bus driver - Insta-rejected
McDonalds - No call back for interview
Rona and Home Depot - Hiring for seasonal roles completed
Pfaff BMW parts delivery - No automotive experience.. Rejected.

It's rough out there.

It's cuz your resume is written in crayon

[JDMDreams]

Amazon delivery? Why's my prime taking 2 days instead of overnight :okay:

[yray]

just lease a lezbaru and be a uber driver

[SSM_DC5]

Wouldn't the overages on mileage destroy the $500 deal for leasing?

[whitev70r]

Last 6 weeks of job applications:
CMBC bus driver - Insta-rejected
McDonalds - No call back for interview
Rona and Home Depot - Hiring for seasonal roles completed
Pfaff BMW parts delivery - No automotive experience.. Rejected.

It's rough out there.

Stamped on application: "Over qualified"

[teggy604]

For the average schmoe who's in between jobs, I'm seeing lots of opportunities for gig work. So many people these days are willing to pay money to have their dogs walked, to have their houses cleaned, and for general handyman services.

Not as easy. Even those jobs you need some education. It maybe a couple week course or month course. Then you still gotta compete with all the other experienced people.

Most people that get into city know someone, and if you get in you ain't doing no garbage man. You will be doing some grunt work for many years before you even have enough senority to be a garbage man. lol.

[bcrdukes]

Stamped on application: "Over qualified"

What qualifications are you referring to?

If I had any, I'd be an Amazon engineer and driving an X5.

[JDMDreams]

^^ you can be a Amazon delivery driving a Benz, what about Costco? You can buy all the Pokemon cards and off white and resell??? Profit

[Tapioca]

Not as easy. Even those jobs you need some education. It maybe a couple week course or month course. Then you still gotta compete with all the other experienced people.

Most people that get into city know someone, and if you get in you ain't doing no garbage man. You will be doing some grunt work for many years before you even have enough senority to be a garbage man. lol.

I think you meant to reply to a different post and not mine.

You have people in this thread talking about half-million TC packages like it's nothing, while there are others who are fighting for getting a job as a unionized bus driver or garbage man making 70-80K/year.

Sh*ts wild man.

[Badhobz]

these tech bro's are all insane, lets leave them alone.

Just thinking about all you guys with kids (soon to be entering the work force) what sort of jobs are even available to these kids? Or if you were a middle aged man (40+) looking for a career change, what sort of opportunities are available out there?

One guy i know, isnt doing that well and was trying to find a second gig to supplement his income and couldnt find jack shit. His day job is some plant supervisor (70k a year), but between his insane mortgage, his wife who doesnt do jack shit (shes disabled or something), and his 4 kids + 2 dogs, he's totally boned. Gotten so bad that he contemplated killing himself a few times. I told him he would leave his kids destitute and thats not the fucking answer.

He was going to downsize the house (living in a townhouse that was 1.2 mill) but with the prices of homes right now, he says the market value for his place was around 800-900k and he cant stomach that kind of loss. I really feel for the guy, but what can i do. I threw him a few postings for BC ferries and shit but the only thing that he can do is some lousy uber eats that pays jack squat.

[bcrdukes]

Hey! What I shared with you was in confidence and you publicly shared this on a forum? How dare you!?!?!?!? :mad:

[Badhobz]

:QQ:YOU DESTITUTED HOE BAG!!!! :QQ:

[Tapioca]

these tech bro's are all insane, lets leave them alone.

Just thinking about all you guys with kids (soon to be entering the work force) what sort of jobs are even available to these kids? Or if you were a middle aged man (40+) looking for a career change, what sort of opportunities are available out there?

One guy i know, isnt doing that well and was trying to find a second gig to supplement his income and couldnt find jack shit. His day job is some plant supervisor (70k a year), but between his insane mortgage, his wife who doesnt do jack shit (shes disabled or something), and his 4 kids + 2 dogs, he's totally boned. Gotten so bad that he contemplated killing himself a few times. I told him he would leave his kids destitute and thats not the fucking answer.

He was going to downsize the house (living in a townhouse that was 1.2 mill) but with the prices of homes right now, he says the market value for his place was around 800-900k and he cant stomach that kind of loss. I really feel for the guy, but what can i do. I threw him a few postings for BC ferries and shit but the only thing that he can do is some lousy uber eats that pays jack squat.

I think there's a balance between feeling sorry for yourself/blaming government/DEI/whatever the algo is telling you to blame and picking up yourself and having a growth mindset.

A friend of mine quit a salaried job and became a realtor. Yeah no one likes realtors, but I respect him for it because he took a chance and has done well for himself.

I left government and the security of a pension, etc. behind about 8 years ago. My kids were babies and I had a mortgage, blah blah blah. I made a pivot that most people here probably would never even think of making, even the tech bros in this thread, and I came out okay. The one person that I give props to is dark0821. At least he took a chance and learned something. I think these days a lot of people aren't willing to do what he did.

[EvoFire]

these tech bro's are all insane, lets leave them alone.

Just thinking about all you guys with kids (soon to be entering the work force) what sort of jobs are even available to these kids? Or if you were a middle aged man (40+) looking for a career change, what sort of opportunities are available out there?

One guy i know, isnt doing that well and was trying to find a second gig to supplement his income and couldnt find jack shit. His day job is some plant supervisor (70k a year), but between his insane mortgage, his wife who doesnt do jack shit (shes disabled or something), and his 4 kids + 2 dogs, he's totally boned. Gotten so bad that he contemplated killing himself a few times. I told him he would leave his kids destitute and thats not the fucking answer.

He was going to downsize the house (living in a townhouse that was 1.2 mill) but with the prices of homes right now, he says the market value for his place was around 800-900k and he cant stomach that kind of loss. I really feel for the guy, but what can i do. I threw him a few postings for BC ferries and shit but the only thing that he can do is some lousy uber eats that pays jack squat.

It's not the 80s, you can't afford 4 kids on one salary..... At least not at 70k.

[68style]

Why'd he keep pumping a disabled wife full of kids when he's making $70k... ludicrous

[Badhobz]

I think there's a balance between feeling sorry for yourself/blaming government/DEI/whatever the algo is telling you to blame and picking up yourself and having a growth mindset.

A friend of mine quit a salaried job and became a realtor. Yeah no one likes realtors, but I respect him for it because he took a chance and has done well for himself.

I left government and the security of a pension, etc. behind about 8 years ago. My kids were babies and I had a mortgage, blah blah blah. I made a pivot that most people here probably would never even think of making, even the tech bros in this thread, and I came out okay. The one person that I give props to is dark0821. At least he took a chance and learned something. I think these days a lot of people aren't willing to do what he did.

Yes people like you and Dark are baller as fuck, i respect that sort of gusto. But it requires either massive balls, or a secret backup contingency fund. Like in dark's case, im pretty sure his super rich ass mo would bail him out if shit ever hits the fan.

Not a lot of people have lifelines like that.

Why'd he keep pumping a disabled wife full of kids when he's making $70k... ludicrous

he had 2 girls, then wanted a boy and came out with twins. very white guy thinking.... he might be a mormon or something.

[bcrdukes]

Are you confusing that with Chinese? :suspicious:

[JDMDreams]

Shouldn't he be milking our taxes since disabled and 4 kids. They be buying Teslas with that ccb, welfare, dtc.

[Badhobz]

i think thats how he's barely getting by. 4 kids money + disabled hoe bag money to supplement his 900k mortgage payment + 2 cars + bills

Math doesnt work out....

Anyways, not sure what the hell he can do.

[supafamous]

i think thats how he's barely getting by. 4 kids money + disabled hoe bag money to supplement his 900k mortgage payment + 2 cars + bills

Math doesnt work out....

Anyways, not sure what the hell he can do.

If we just cut taxes on corporations and rich people then trickle down economics will take care of him.

[Tapioca]

i think thats how he's barely getting by. 4 kids money + disabled hoe bag money to supplement his 900k mortgage payment + 2 cars + bills

Math doesnt work out....

Anyways, not sure what the hell he can do.

He needs to put on a collared shirt and chinos and get into management - real management and not just a supervisor. He'll have to leave his buddies at work behind and will have to work in a different way and use his brain.

He could easily make another 20-30K a year in management, which will provide some breathing room.

On the personal side, he also probably needs to start exercising, cutting out alcohol, and eating better. Look good, feel good. Even small things like 100 push-ups a day and walking 5K a day will do wonders for his mood and physical health.

[JDMDreams]

Management doesn't seem to be worth it at $100k no ot, then all the bull shit is on your ass, then there's always district manager above you that you have to dick suck and you compete with the same level managers across the district. All the corporate politics.

[Badhobz]

the plant he works it has little to no upwards mobility. Forestry products are a bitch right now. There's a chance they lay off the entire workforce and close that shit down. Then you'll probably see him in the news as the guy who off'd his entire family and then off'd himself.

[MarkyMark]

Hobz tell your buddy to go get a welding ticket and apply at the docks dudes on C board are pulling in 300k+ a year at Westshore.

He can take a night course while still doing his regular job in the meantime.

[CivicBlues]

He's got 4 kids and no money, why can't he have no kids and 4 money?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG8wnLv59Oo

[JDMDreams]

Don't those welding tickets take years? You gotta apprentice for like 10000 hours before you are red seal?

[EvoFire]

Yes people like you and Dark are baller as fuck, i respect that sort of gusto. But it requires either massive balls, or a secret backup contingency fund. Like in dark's case, im pretty sure his super rich ass mo would bail him out if shit ever hits the fan.

Not a lot of people have lifelines like that.

he had 2 girls, then wanted a boy and came out with twins. very white guy thinking.... he might be a mormon or something.

This guy is Chinese right? That trying for a boy thing is so Chinese

the plant he works it has little to no upwards mobility. Forestry products are a bitch right now. There's a chance they lay off the entire workforce and close that shit down. Then you'll probably see him in the news as the guy who off'd his entire family and then off'd himself.

Being in forestry and being in Vancouver is probably the dumbest combo you can do. You can easily be 80-90k elsewhere and pay half the price for a house and he'd be living a lot better. Forestry jobs in Vancouver takes a big paycut for the priviledge of being in the city, and also as you said no upward mobility in town. All the operations in GVRD and vicinity are small

My friend moved up quickly in forestry and he makes 130k in Kamloops. Yes the industry sucks balls right now, so you have to pivot. There are plants popping up making value added products like engineered timber and big OSB. That's where the money is going to be at in the future as building codes change to allow larger mass timber.

Management doesn't seem to be worth it at $100k no ot, then all the bull shit is on your ass, then there's always district manager above you that you have to dick suck and you compete with the same level managers across the district. All the corporate politics.

There's not much OT in forestry. I don't think most factory floors don't give a lot of OT anyways except for the really undesirable lower paying jobs.

[Badhobz]

hes white. chinese people dont have 4 kids bro.... at least not anymore.

[MarkyMark]

I was in the forestry industry for years and I would never go back. Even if you make decent money you're always on the verge of being laid off. For every good year it's followed by a few years of doom and gloom and it'll only get worse. You can't cut down old growth logs and the government doesn't give a fuck about the industry in BC so you better have a good backup plan for when your mill inevitably shuts down.

[Infiniti]

Then you'll probably see him in the news as the guy who off'd his entire family and then off'd himself.

Bravo Six going REAL dark here

[whitev70r]

For those who are looking for a steady career ... join the Canadian Armed Forces or Military. Wages have gone up, heard there were signing bonuses. But yah, you'd be sent to places for peacekeeping ... good for people who needs vacay from wife and/or kids.

[teggy604]

Don't those welding tickets take years? You gotta apprentice for like 10000 hours before you are red seal?

Yes. Any apprenticeship takes 4 yrs. And also they dont give apprenticeship to anybody. You gotta show you willing to do grunt work and do your time.

[bcrdukes]

For those who are looking for a steady career ... join the Canadian Armed Forces or Military. Wages have gone up, heard there were signing bonuses. But yah, you'd be sent to places for peacekeeping ... good for people who needs vacay from wife and/or kids.

Reg force or reserve? :troll:

[MarkyMark]

Yes. Any apprenticeship takes 4 yrs. And also they dont give apprenticeship to anybody. You gotta show you willing to do grunt work and do your time.

He could get a CWB ticket and get hired on somewhere and then accumulate hours to challenge for his Red Seal down the line. But yeah, he's gonna be doing grunty shit work during that time but at least you're working towards something better than 70k a year.

Not sure how old this dude is though, if he's 50+ it might not be worth the effort.

[CivicBlues]

For those who are looking for a steady career ... join the Canadian Armed Forces or Military. Wages have gone up, heard there were signing bonuses. But yah, you'd be sent to places for peacekeeping ... good for people who needs vacay from wife and/or kids.

Does the armed forces even take anyone over 40?

[Badhobz]

hes in the low 40's... but ageism is a bitch. nobody wants an old dog and most people think its weird that a middle age man wants a career change this late in the game. They dont want to invest in the training, and/or the fact that he really only has less than 20 years shelf life IF he even stays that long.

[6793026]

Wow so much going on in this thread.

Wife said this is the only generation that's under performing than their parents. Yes that's true. Then you got the other spectrum with 150k fresh grad in Meta, only fans making 150k a month and or starting your own business.
So yes, these 'extreme' cases are there but never would have thought of in previous generations. FML - this kid filmed on IG taking family out for dinner and handing his day his dream rolex.... F this shit.

Let's talk about looks - yes being a sales guy - my profile is clean, up to date on linkedin and you also got to look the part. Hipster company = lose the tie, corp job = tie and glasses to look the asian accountant / IT / tech guy. Kid came up to me asking how to get a vendor job - he's been at retail for 3 months and didn't even have a linkedin profile. FFS.

I'm a bit glad these younger generation aren't doing well, it makes us 40 year really really valuable cause I can get stuff done, and the buck stops here.

#1 top question asked by new hires are 'how do we move up in the company'. DUDEEEE, there's only 2000+ jobs at this company where 1500 are in taiwan as enginners. Being in an office of 500 people, only 200 are at HQ. We sort of are 3 leaders away from being the CEO. How much faster or higher do you want to climb.

Do you not know you're not qualified, not good, and barely able to hold a conversation. The day you're able to sit in a board room, craft a 450 page contract and close Walmart & Costco account while negotiating a 45 million deal a quarter is when you mighe be able to ask for a raise and move up.

We have so many teens asking for "extension" on their papers and exams due to personal issues in high school and then UBC and now at work... you take a break for 2 days due to 'stress'.... go kick rocks.

[BIC_BAWS]

The day you're able to sit in a board room, craft a 450 page contract and close Walmart & Costco account while negotiating a 45 million deal a quarter is when you mighe be able to ask for a raise and move up.

This is kinda where I'm stuck at right now, my boss's role (director, reporting directly to board) is up for grabs rn and I think it would be a good move to go for it. My orgs been going through a lot of leadership changes in the last quarter and currently I'm effectively the face of the company. The intrim director runs interference for me with the board and I get to do whatever I want. But the intrim director doesn't want the role and only stepped in due to leadership changes.

I think I have a lot of traits that would guarantee success in the role.

I have history of success in running a business as a GM, history of running startups, background in accounting so a solid understanding of P&L/Cash Flow/Budgeting in a business, etc. And in my current role, I'm already doing some of the Director's responsibilities like having a proven success in closing international deals, rebuilding our relationship with our largest partners (due to faults of previous leadership), building international relationships, currently planning a large project to Asia in Sept with many stakeholders, etc.

BUT I also have the self-awareness to know that I'm not comfortable in a board room, reporting to board of directors, lack the specific technical knowledge for the industry (tho I argue it's not needed as the org is really about supporting SMEs as a whole rather than needing specific knowledge of the SMEs technologies), and lack the age/appearance to be a "director".

It would be a 50K paybump, with a lot more responsibilities and oversight. And I currently have the time outside of my working hours to work on side projects / other businesses that net me 25K/yr/client. On the other hand, going for this role, if successful, would put me on a trajectory that would allow me to significantly develop my personal brand and put me in a better position to jump to another role. Assuming that it gets funded, a future role is already being set up for me elsewhere, but this director role would legitimatize that future a lot better than my current manager role (with a public perspective).

#1 top question asked by new hires are 'how do we move up in the company'.

Also, people are told to ask this question during the interview process to show commitment - that you want to put time into this company and grow within it. And people are always told to ask a question, any question that shows that you'd be a forward-looking candidate.

[bcrdukes]

So many ballers in this forum. :ahwow:

[Badhobz]

This is kinda where I'm stuck at right now, my boss's role (director, reporting directly to board) is up for grabs rn

no brainer, go for it. Title is more important than $ in most situations. The title will open more doors.

[winson604]

Recruitment being 1 of many portfolio pieces for me I've talked to and seen hundreds and hundreds of people come through our door trying to get a job. For years it was the same you know the usual mix of people both good and bad then in or around 5 years ago the newer generation started coming through more and more and holy shit you instances saw the differences. At my work before somebody is actually hired there is a lengthy 3 month recruiting process from application to skills testing to first and 2nd interview to reference checks. There are a ton of touch points I have with them via email or in person before we actually give them an offer. I'm not even going to get into the young ones that eventually got hired and how they perform but the biggest thing I've noticed is ghosting. Something that never happened prior to 5 years ago we'd have people apply, literally go back and forth with you via email on coming in either for skills testing or an interview and then the day of they completely ghost you and no show. No contact, no email saying I'm sorry thank you for the opportunity but I withdrawal my application just vanished like wtf.

Another random story my wife is trying to mentor this new kid at her work, super green he's like 18 or 19. Kids literally chat GPTing in real-time as my wife is telling him things in order to come up with a response or know what she means. Kid won't get far it's depressing I just hope my 2 kids won't be dumbasses.

[whitev70r]

no brainer, go for it. Title is more important than $ in most situations. The title will open more doors.

As well, I think the experience of a high level interview is also a good experience regardless of outcome.

[Badhobz]

that being said, i wouldnt want a 28 year old director unless its some micky mouse organization.

In shipping, i havent seen any directors who are less than 40+ and they usually have a wealth of experience in the field.

[JDMDreams]

^^ how is shipping? Is it true that the straight is open, just pay $2m, and we pretty much run out of gas now cuz all the tankers are empty?

[Badhobz]

shipping's a gong show. we are passing the buck to consumers for all the fuel surcharges but its still not enough as the new problem is now unable to get bunker fuel in asia.

So the name of the game is to go as slow as possible to save fuel and absolutely zero speedups or schedule recovery. Meanwhile all the vessels are ladened to the max and over their proforma move counts which in turn delays other vessels. Snake eating its own tail sort of scenario.

[RabidRat]

This is kinda where I'm stuck at right now, my boss's role (director, reporting directly to board) is up for grabs rn and I think it would be a good move to go for it. My orgs been going through a lot of leadership changes in the last quarter and currently I'm effectively the face of the company. The intrim director runs interference for me with the board and I get to do whatever I want. But the intrim director doesn't want the role and only stepped in due to leadership changes.

I think I have a lot of traits that would guarantee success in the role.

I have history of success in running a business as a GM, history of running startups, background in accounting so a solid understanding of P&L/Cash Flow/Budgeting in a business, etc. And in my current role, I'm already doing some of the Director's responsibilities like having a proven success in closing international deals, rebuilding our relationship with our largest partners (due to faults of previous leadership), building international relationships, currently planning a large project to Asia in Sept with many stakeholders, etc.

BUT I also have the self-awareness to know that I'm not comfortable in a board room, reporting to board of directors, lack the specific technical knowledge for the industry (tho I argue it's not needed as the org is really about supporting SMEs as a whole rather than needing specific knowledge of the SMEs technologies), and lack the age/appearance to be a "director".

It would be a 50K paybump, with a lot more responsibilities and oversight. And I currently have the time outside of my working hours to work on side projects / other businesses that net me 25K/yr/client. On the other hand, going for this role, if successful, would put me on a trajectory that would allow me to significantly develop my personal brand and put me in a better position to jump to another role. Assuming that it gets funded, a future role is already being set up for me elsewhere, but this director role would legitimatize that future a lot better than my current manager role (with a public perspective).



Also, people are told to ask this question during the interview process to show commitment - that you want to put time into this company and grow within it. And people are always told to ask a question, any question that shows that you'd be a forward-looking candidate.

This is so great. Even if this doesn't work out man! Just the fact that an opportunity like this came up, and that you worked so hard in your life to have a real shot at it. Super inspiring.

[bcrdukes]

So when does BIC_BAWS become Director/VP?

[Badhobz]

This is so great. Even if this doesn't work out man! Just the fact that an opportunity like this came up, and that you worked so hard in your life to have a real shot at it. Super inspiring.

:suspicious: you trolling? :suspicious:

The boy's job is to host dinner parties and drink booze on company dime. Plus he's only been drinking and dealing for about a year

[bcrdukes]

Stop being such a Debbie Downer! :seriously: BIC_BAWS is an inspiration.

[6793026]

As you move up the company, it gets very very lonely. People are always out there to take advantage of you, lay the law down and just want to see you fail.

You DO need to arm yourself with a solid 3-4 people to protect you. Particularly one in finance to check your math and help with execution.

Yes the fake it till you make it still rocks when you're in entry level but once you're in VP, the goal is to get rocking asap. There's this saying, say low make dough.

As for interm leader BS, if someone wnats you to be the face of company / leader of men, they will simply ask you to take the role.

[JDMDreams]

Yes he becomes director so he can hire us unemployed, and we can wine and dine with him for stake holder value, we'll even land,dei acknowledge before we toast

[BIC_BAWS]

that being said, i wouldnt want a 28 year old director unless its some micky mouse organization.

In shipping, i havent seen any directors who are less than 40+ and they usually have a wealth of experience in the field.

In Korea.. people thought I was mid-late 30s.. fml. But it worked out for the work that I was doing.

The boy's job is to host dinner parties and drink booze on company dime. Plus he's only been drinking and dealing for about a year

This is accurate.

But because the org is in shambles, I've had to "step it up" and show face at international events (ie. Korea) and rebuild relationships that past leadership dropped the ball on.

I'm also hosting an international delegation in Vancouver, where I'm inviting one of our board members to come as well. I had a fantastic conversation with him (and separately my intrim director) about my performance in my current role. I'll probably use that opportunity in a few weeks to test the waters on if I'd be a good fit for directorship.

You DO need to arm yourself with a solid 3-4 people to protect you. Particularly one in finance to check your math and help with execution.

Yes the fake it till you make it still rocks when you're in entry level but once you're in VP, the goal is to get rocking asap. There's this saying, say low make dough.

This whole org is probably 3 employees including me LOL. It has my role, my boss' role, and a PM. Then a whole suite of board of directors, who aren't employees. That's kinda why I'm hesitant, I can do whatever I want right now and present ideas that change our value prop (desperately needed) and be shielded from board scrutiny. I think all is good if I take the role AND I'm successful. But if I fail, I'm screwed - I'm out with no directorship, can't downgrade to current role, and I'm on my own.

My issue with past leadership is that they aren't business minded people. ie. They would pay for development costs on our website.. that are 10x the price of market - or of the projects I have executed and requested budget for, and have launched at a higher quality. Not to mention, I've had to jump into a project for past leadership.. because they didnt know how to use Excel lol.

As for interm leader BS, if someone wnats you to be the face of company / leader of men, they will simply ask you to take the role.

I like my current interm director LOL, would rather him stay tbh. Perhaps I communicated incorrectly, I meant, it just so happened that I ended up having to take on that perception in Korea, bc the rumor mills was that my org is falling apart, and then later quash those rumors with proof of commercial success in Korea. I wasn't necessarily asked to do it, but with this org, I'm not really asked to do anything and I have free reign to do anything (with the interm director just backing me on stuff).

For instance, I didn't ask to go on this trip. I sent an email saying that I'm going, here's what I'm going to do, and here's the budget needed.

[Badhobz]

looking older might benefit you in this role. But also, ya gotta take care of yourself young man. What might benefit you in your career will probably work against you in the dating world.

take it from a old geezer whos out of both games.

[JDMDreams]

Has any lesbians tried hitting on you yet, Ferrari girl to lesbian :notbad::ifyouknow:

[bcrdukes]

How do I apply for your old job, BIC_BAWS?

[6793026]

I like my current interm director LOL.

Naw man, wasn't mocking you.

I never really understood why interm. If you're good, just give the person the rolel; and if you're going to interm someone, ask if he/she woudl want the role afterwards.... it hurts if he doesn't get it and you hire from outside. It also hurts if you hire someone from outside and the interm person has been there for 3 years... LOL.. make a decision already - "oh it's headcount issue"

Previous work, the leader got fired, so they hired / promoted within an 'interm' leader and didnt' even open up for others to apply. 4 months later, the interm leader crashed and burned due to personal issues.

Company started to invite others to be interm... they all told them to kick rocks.

[CivicBlues]

Wait a sec so your company is:
The Boss > The Director > You ?

Yeah sorry but the title means jack.

[bcrdukes]

Wait a sec so your company is:
The Boss > The Director > You ?

Yeah sorry but the title means jack.

he's just two steps from becoming CEO! Why you all gotta shit on him? :alonehappy:

[CivicBlues]

It's not a career ladder if it's a step stool :p

[BIC_BAWS]

Naw man, wasn't mocking you.

I never really understood why interm. If you're good, just give the person the rolel; and if you're going to interm someone, ask if he/she woudl want the role afterwards.... it hurts if he doesn't get it and you hire from outside. It also hurts if you hire someone from outside and the interm person has been there for 3 years... LOL.. make a decision already - "oh it's headcount issue"

Oh, I misunderstood haha.

In my org, the interm exists, because our co-directors (2), "left" the org. So someone from the board stepped in to help steer and turn the ship around. He doesn't want the role tho, he has own company to run.

Wait a sec so your company is:
The Boss > The Director > You ?

Yeah sorry but the title means jack.

Board of Directors > My Boss (Director) > Me > PM

Everyone else is a contractor whom I have access to (use and direct as needed).

[bcrdukes]

BIC_BAWS should be celebrated as a hero for taking a chance on life to get to where he is, and where he is headed towards. He is a true inspiration and we should be appreciative of his presence on the forum, being evidence that anything is possible. :fuckyea:

[yray]

bicbaws old boss gonna send a cease and desist once hes a director :troll:

[EvoFire]

Echo the lonely at the top comment. If you enjoy the company of your team just prepare yourself for them to start distancing themselves.

[bcrdukes]

bicbaws old boss gonna send a cease and desist once hes a director :troll:

I wonder if they know about this forum and have read his posts about them. :fullofwin:

[68style]

Quiet translink reject

[bcrdukes]

Post reported to moderator

[RabidRat]

Jesus, the cynicism in this thread lol.

Just let the guy do his thing: if it's hosting dinner parties and drinking with clients that brings in business, then why not?? How is that different from being a partner in consulting?

It's okay that the world doesn't always work the way you think it should. Not everyone else's path to success has to echo yours.

[68style]

But it's RS tradition to give Bic_Baws a hard time and be a bunch of judgy uncles to him even when he's doing well

[bcrdukes]

RabidRat - Please ban 68style.

[BIC_BAWS]

im very likely to be slightly on the spectrum so this is endearment for me / flies over my head LOLOL

[Eff-1]

This is kinda where I'm stuck at right now, my boss's role (director, reporting directly to board) is up for grabs rn and I think it would be a good move to go for it. My orgs been going through a lot of leadership changes in the last quarter and currently I'm effectively the face of the company. The intrim director runs interference for me with the board and I get to do whatever I want. But the intrim director doesn't want the role and only stepped in due to leadership changes.

I think I have a lot of traits that would guarantee success in the role.

I have history of success in running a business as a GM, history of running startups, background in accounting so a solid understanding of P&L/Cash Flow/Budgeting in a business, etc. And in my current role, I'm already doing some of the Director's responsibilities like having a proven success in closing international deals, rebuilding our relationship with our largest partners (due to faults of previous leadership), building international relationships, currently planning a large project to Asia in Sept with many stakeholders, etc.

BUT I also have the self-awareness to know that I'm not comfortable in a board room, reporting to board of directors, lack the specific technical knowledge for the industry (tho I argue it's not needed as the org is really about supporting SMEs as a whole rather than needing specific knowledge of the SMEs technologies), and lack the age/appearance to be a "director".

I honestly think one life's best pieces of advice is: Fake it till you make it.

It would be a 50K paybump, with a lot more responsibilities and oversight. And I currently have the time outside of my working hours to work on side projects / other businesses that net me 25K/yr/client. On the other hand, going for this role, if successful, would put me on a trajectory that would allow me to significantly develop my personal brand and put me in a better position to jump to another role. Assuming that it gets funded, a future role is already being set up for me elsewhere, but this director role would legitimatize that future a lot better than my current manager role (with a public perspective).


Do it. Don't think twice.

I'm 44 and the last decade of my career I frequently doubted whether i'm "qualified enough" whenever I see a new opportunity that might be of interest.

So if I took my own advice, I'd say listen to the people around you. If they say you can do it, then believe them and go for it.

I honestly think one of life's best quotes is: Fake it til you make it.

[6793026]

Just let the guy do his thing: if it's hosting dinner parties and drinking with clients that brings in business, then why not?? How is that different from being a partner in consulting?

I do this quite a bit and it has changed SO much.

2010 - The Keg, Catcus club all day long, eating any where daily / weekly with clients.
2021 - COVID tanked
2023 - Everyone who wanted and enjoyed that lifestyle back in 2010 can't sustain no more. a) no one wants to see you since they are all WFM b) No one cared for those meals no more.
2026 - Many are EMO and dont' drink no more. You really have to dig deep to 'network' with someone who has kids but ok to come out, or young people who have no social skills to even come out and drink 1 freaking beer.

[EvoFire]

I do this quite a bit and it has changed SO much.

2010 - The Keg, Catcus club all day long, eating any where daily / weekly with clients.
2021 - COVID tanked
2023 - Everyone who wanted and enjoyed that lifestyle back in 2010 can't sustain no more. a) no one wants to see you since they are all WFM b) No one cared for those meals no more.
2026 - Many are EMO and dont' drink no more. You really have to dig deep to 'network' with someone who has kids but ok to come out, or young people who have no social skills to even come out and drink 1 freaking beer.

2026 me, I am both young and have kids. I have one drink and getting me to come out is a challenge :pokerface:

[bcrdukes]

I guess we won't see you at the upcoming Stock & Noob Meet. :troll:

[EvoFire]

I guess we won't see you at the upcoming Stock & Noob Meet. :troll:

That's why I have the perpetual late award.

[bcrdukes]

You already won the award for the 2026 meet! :fuckthatshit:

[GLOW]

looks like i'm very late to this thread, i can't go that far back :lol

Echo the lonely at the top comment. If you enjoy the company of your team just prepare yourself for them to start distancing themselves.

something i learned is once you're in management, your friends at work are technically no longer your friends, they're now your subordinates. you learn it quick when you have to have difficult conversations.

Jesus, the cynicism in this thread lol.


cynicism or life experience? :troll:
just kidding, i'll keep my cynicism to myself Kappa

Do it. Don't think twice.

I'm 44 and the last decade of my career I frequently doubted whether i'm "qualified enough" whenever I see a new opportunity that might be of interest.

So if I took my own advice, I'd say listen to the people around you. If they say you can do it, then believe them and go for it.

I honestly think one of life's best quotes is: Fake it til you make it.

same... if there's 1 thing i learned, you can't get back time and opportunity, maybe that's 2 things. regretted not going for a couple of things i thought at the time i wasn't qualified for, and now that i feel like i do with years of extra exp the opportunity is not there. i've been telling some younger staff go for opportunities, especially internal temp ones, those are the best b/c 1) it's an opportunity 2) no pressure you can go back to your old job after you get a taste

for management, i find it is not an easy role, there's lots of bad managers out there, they may be smart or technically competent, but couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag. zero people/communication skills and can't lead, or micromanage and provide no leadership. i've been pretty lucky at dodging (sometimes by a hair) having had these types of managers. i swear some are their own worst enemy (in addition to those around them)

[supafamous]

for management, i find it is not an easy role, there's lots of bad managers out there, they may be smart or technically competent, but couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag. zero people/communication skills and can't lead, or micromanage and provide no leadership. i've been pretty lucky at dodging (sometimes by a hair) having had these types of managers. i swear some are their own worst enemy (in addition to those around them)

I think the mistake a lot of folks make when they step into management is that they don't realise that it's a completely different career track and not just a bigger version of their prior job. It requires a totally different set of skills applied in very foreign ways.

As a result we end up with lots of shit managers who don't really know how to do the job but who still get promoted and fail to train up the next round of managers.

[bcrdukes]

As a result we end up with lots of shit managers who don't really know how to do the job but who still get promoted and fail to train up the next round of managers.

:peek: :inoutugh:

[SSM_DC5]

2026 me, I am both young and have kids. I have one drink and getting me to come out is a challenge :pokerface:

Getting me to go out is a challenge indeed. Eat sleep work kid. Want me to go out? Make it outside of my 4 priorities. I have more than 1 beer though...... Who can just stop at one?! :rukidding:

[red kryptonite]

im late to this thread too, been kinda busy.
ever since coming back from china ive been making moves too.
today i landed a new job. pay bump, union/better benefits package, better use of time (4 days on 3 days off).

even though ive given many interviews over the last decade, being on the receiving end is still nerve wracking.
last week was stressful preparing myself for each step of these multi staged interviews: the initial application/screening, phone/video screening, assessment/practical tests, in-depth hiring manager/team interview, and a final interview.
this week was unsettling just waiting to hear back. im so glad i got the job, i cant imagine having to do this multiple times.

haha unlike dark and evo, new job new car. im only going to celebrate with a set of motegi tri-spokes.

[Gumby]

Wow, congrats! Guess the pay bump isn’t enough to get a bigger place with more space to display LEGO, eh? :D

[JDMDreams]

Union? 4 days on? Sounds like a bus driver. Jk congrats doe in this environment. What you gonna put the tri spoke on? And where you getting them from?

[red kryptonite]

Wow, congrats! Guess the pay bump isnÂ’t enough to get a bigger place with more space to display LEGO, eh? :D

need to win the lotto for that

Union? 4 days on? Sounds like a bus driver. Jk congrats doe in this environment. What you gonna put the tri spoke on? And where you getting them from?

in true RS fashion, if i landed a bus driver job i wouldve celebrated with a lezburu

tri spokes going on the m3. its not finalized yet but ill be getting them from PK EK's shop. i need to go down and check my current spec to make sure the motegi will fit

[Traum]

Congrats on the new gig! The pay bump + better benefits package sounds very nice! Do you anticipate the new job being more stressful than your current one?

Hope the resignation will go smoothly too~

[JDMDreams]

Isn't quitting the easy part, you could just stop showing up

https://i.imgflip.com/58jdm5.jpg

[EvoFire]

im late to this thread too, been kinda busy.
ever since coming back from china ive been making moves too.
today i landed a new job. pay bump, union/better benefits package, better use of time (4 days on 3 days off).

even though ive given many interviews over the last decade, being on the receiving end is still nerve wracking.
last week was stressful preparing myself for each step of these multi staged interviews: the initial application/screening, phone/video screening, assessment/practical tests, in-depth hiring manager/team interview, and a final interview.
this week was unsettling just waiting to hear back. im so glad i got the job, i cant imagine having to do this multiple times.

haha unlike dark and evo, new job new car. im only going to celebrate with a set of motegi tri-spokes.

Hey congrats, pay bump in the current meta is a win.

We needed that car, we just put it on hold until I had a job.

[red kryptonite]

Congrats on the new gig! The pay bump + better benefits package sounds very nice! Do you anticipate the new job being more stressful than your current one?

Hope the resignation will go smoothly too~

less stress.... clock in clock out.

Isn't quitting the easy part, you could just stop showing up


i dont like to burn bridges besides theyve treated me well.