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donk. · 12-14-2021, 12:21 PM

Air in radiant heating systems is very common
There are essentially hundreds of upside down U traps (each radiator)
Air rises, and can't escape.
Needs to be manually bled out, unless auto Air vents are installed. Any time work is done on the entire loop, another unit, etc, there is good odds the issues will re occur

Euro7r · 12-14-2021, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by donk.

Air in radiant heating systems is very common
There are essentially hundreds of upside down U traps (each radiator)
Air rises, and can't escape.
Needs to be manually bled out, unless auto Air vents are installed. Any time work is done on the entire loop, another unit, etc, there is good odds the issues will re occur

Is it best to leave the thermostat at a fixed temperature and don't touch it? My place is either too hot or too cold, so we constantly been tinkering up and down the temperature of the Den. Not sure if that impacts air in the system as well?. This sounds like a pain in the ass because I've lived in homes with baseboards and radiant floor heating systems, never encountered such issues. Did not think a tiny apartment would incurr issues like these.

PeanutButter · 12-14-2021, 02:24 PM

There are two types of baseboard heating.
Electric = least efficient
Hydronic (water heated) = more efficient

The way it works is water is heated up and the hot water is sent through the baseboards and you get heat. If there are air pockets within the piping, then you will get the issue you're experiencing.

"Bleeding" the system of air is part of the normal maintenance of hydronic heating systems.

This stuff is annoying, but I wouldn't say it's out of the norm for this type of heating.

I'm not sure if having a fixed temperature affects air being trapped in the system though, that's a good question.

Are there baseboards along/under every window in your apartment?

JDMDreams · 12-14-2021, 04:25 PM

Has any one experienced this, I have electric base board heaters. This has happened a few times already. Where the heater will be on with the thermostat being off.

I'm suspecting if it's a faulty Thermostat? Or they have some minimum temperature then they will turn on?

Great68 · 12-14-2021, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PeanutButter

There are two types of baseboard heating.
Electric = least efficient
Hydronic (water heated) = more efficient

No, this is very incorrect. Electric baseboards are near 100% efficient, far more efficient than burning fossil fuels as a heat source.

Hydronic is cheaper when it's gas fired, only because the fuel source to heat the water is cheaper. Not because it's more efficient.

Hondaracer · 12-14-2021, 04:48 PM

100% efficient, 1000% more expensive lol..

Great68 · 12-14-2021, 04:54 PM

Absolutely.

Here's the thing, I don't think it'll be long before fossil fuel subsidies go the way of the dodo and more carbon taxes are implemented to make fossil fuel heating far more expensive, probably cost prohibitive.

Unfortunately.

I was pretty set on replacing my oil furnace with natural gas, but I'm changing my mind and going to go heat pump because I think in 10 years we're going to see some substantial increases in fuel costs.

quasi · 12-14-2021, 06:02 PM

Had water heated base boards on my last house, wasn't a huge fan.

snowball · 12-14-2021, 06:38 PM

Hydronic anything is friggin expensive to fix if you have anything leak since you have to rip our your ceilings or walls. But the fuel is still much cheaper... for now.

RiceIntegraRS · 12-14-2021, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JDMDreams

Has any one experienced this, I have electric base board heaters. This has happened a few times already. Where the heater will be on with the thermostat being off.

I'm suspecting if it's a faulty Thermostat? Or they have some minimum temperature then they will turn on?

i had this problem. It turned out to be the thermostat. I had the thermostat dial where that metal connection was stuck on the "On" position basically. I just replaced it with a new one from Home depot for $15, it solved that problem.

JDMDreams · 12-15-2021, 09:16 AM

^^ thanks, I'll look into that.

SumAznGuy · 12-15-2021, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RiceIntegraRS

i had this problem. It turned out to be the thermostat. I had the thermostat dial where that metal connection was stuck on the "On" position basically. I just replaced it with a new one from Home depot for $15, it solved that problem.

Had the same problem but my brother in-law was able to adjust the metal connection in the thermostat to make it work properly.
He said it was quite common.

supafamous · 12-16-2021, 12:49 PM

https://www.straight.com/news/2-vanc...00-over-listed

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Let’s start with the home at 1260 East 54th Avenue, which has a 2021 assessed value of $2,062,800.

Per B.C. Assessment, the value is mostly in the 66- by 142.38-foot lot at $2,047,000.

Meanwhile, the one-storey home is worth $25,800.

The property was listed on December 1 this year, and interestingly, its asking price of $1,999,900 was below assessment.

“A rare building opportunity,” declared the listing for the Vancouver corner lot.

It’s located between Fraser and Knight streets, where one can build their “dream home”.

“Value is mostly in the land,” the listing noted about 1260 East 54th Avenue.

Seven days later on December 8, the property sold for $2,700,018.

That's not really that high IMO. If they can subdivide it into two 33ft lots that's $1.4m for the land and about $1m to build a house on it depending on the builder and then it sells for about $3m each. Otherwise they build a big ass duplex on it

That area kinda sucks though - I wouldn't spend $3m to live there.

Hondaracer · 12-16-2021, 01:01 PM

Those are some tight profit margins given the area. Guarantee you it’s an EI builder/developer who bought it lol

6thGear. · 12-16-2021, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by supafamous

https://www.straight.com/news/2-vanc...00-over-listed

That's not really that high IMO. If they can subdivide it into two 33ft lots that's $1.4m for the land and about $1m to build a house on it depending on the builder and then it sells for about $3m each. Otherwise they build a big ass duplex on it

That area kinda sucks though - I wouldn't spend $3m to live there.

That size lot they can build a 2 duplexes with legal suite much like this one on Victoria and Upland

https://deepakjagpal.com/property/20...ive-vancouver/

https://deepakjagpal.com/property/73...-dr-vancouver/

supafamous · 12-16-2021, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 6thGear.

That size lot they can build a 2 duplexes with legal suite much like this one on Victoria and Upland

https://deepakjagpal.com/property/20...ive-vancouver/

https://deepakjagpal.com/property/73...-dr-vancouver/

On that lot that size they could build a total of 6600sf if it's a duplex so ideally you split it in two lots and build two separate buildings with 2 units each that are about 1600sf each and sell them each for $1.7-1.8m.

Alpine · 12-16-2021, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Those are some tight profit margins given the area. Guarantee you it’s an EI builder/developer who bought it lol

I wonder what % of houses are built by them… 80%? (In my hood that sounds about right). If anyone can do it on tight margins, it’s these guys.

Hondaracer · 12-17-2021, 07:56 AM

Helps when your plumber is also your framer

quasi · 12-17-2021, 08:49 AM

Talk about margins, we did a Walmart a bunch of years ago. You know what they allow you to mark up your changes? 5% flat lol.

Talk about not being able to make any money, that doesn't even cover the overhead to coordinate the changes. The best part was we never got paid our hold back or any of our changes until almost 6 months after the store was open and operational.

I'd like to see Walmart operate on 5% margins and instead of getting paid at the register collecting the money 6 months later.

Great68 · 12-17-2021, 09:38 AM

Pricing change orders in those types of scenarios becomes an artform.

You better believe I'm charging for every individual bolt and nut...

GLOW · 12-17-2021, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by quasi

Talk about margins, we did a Walmart a bunch of years ago. You know what they allow you to mark up your changes? 5% flat lol.

Talk about not being able to make any money, that doesn't even cover the overhead to coordinate the changes. The best part was we never got paid our hold back or any of our changes until almost 6 months after the store was open and operational.

I'd like to see Walmart operate on 5% margins and instead of getting paid at the register collecting the money 6 months later.

6 months? you made out well... for us it was like 2 years iirc

supafamous · 12-17-2021, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpine

I wonder what % of houses are built by them… 80%? (In my hood that sounds about right). If anyone can do it on tight margins, it’s these guys.

I'd agree with that, might even be a bit higher. It's rare to see non-EI builders sell new builds on the market, too few people willing to pay for it or they don't recognize the quality. I remember this duplex by Noort which was fantastic but it was $2.1m for a 2,200sf duplex which was a good $300-400k more than other duplexes of that size but the quality was just so much better: https://noorthomes.com/residential/u...4-yale-street/

quasi · 12-17-2021, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Great68

Pricing change orders in those types of scenarios becomes an artform.

You better believe I'm charging for every individual bolt and nut...

Lol, yes they do. Don't get me wrong we get our money one way or the other we all know we're going to collect it on the backend if we can't get it on the frontend that said the fact you have to do that is ridiculous.

Euro7r · 12-17-2021, 04:27 PM

Plumbing technicians came and bled the system. Heat came back for a couple hours, then now back to ice cold no heat. The frick lol.

sdubfid · 12-17-2021, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by quasi

Talk about margins, we did a Walmart a bunch of years ago. You know what they allow you to mark up your changes? 5% flat lol.

Talk about not being able to make any money, that doesn't even cover the overhead to coordinate the changes. The best part was we never got paid our hold back or any of our changes until almost 6 months after the store was open and operational.

I'd like to see Walmart operate on 5% margins and instead of getting paid at the register collecting the money 6 months later.

They operate on extremely thin margins but massive volume. I calculated if they gave every employee (lots of them) a couple dollar an hour raise from their net profit it would be enough to bankrupt them. It was a surprise to me how thin their margins were after doing the math.