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| 2010 GT-R Warranty Voided For Denying Nissan Access To Your Black Box Data
Additional exclusions unearthed in the customer disclosure form for the 2010 Nissan GT-R indicate the warranty is voided should you go insane and dyno test it or deny Nissan access to your black box data.
We're beginning to wonder why Nissan even offers a warranty on their apparently fussy supercar, as it would just better off to sell it sans protection and cut the price. It seems no matter what you do, you're bound to void the warranty in the course of enjoying the car anyway. This new agreement comes out for the 2010 model year, and in addition to the previous no-VDC launch control warranty killer, now we learn you can't even take it to a track or airstrip, run it on a dyno for purposes other than emissions testing, disconnect ANY on board computer or deny access to the data on the car's event data recorder, among many other stipulations
Reading through the agreement, it seems you aren't really the owner of the GT-R, only a minor inconvenience in Nissan's perfect engineering exercise. Complete GT-R customer disclosure form below: Quote:
T-R CUSTOMER DISCLOSURE FORM
For use with 2010 Model GT-R
IMPORTANT Customer Information
Nissan GT-R
Congratulations on your order to purchase a new Nissan GT-R. In order to ensure a well informed decision to purchase a GT-R, maximize your driving satisfaction, and enhance your ownership experience, it is important that you understand that the Nissan GT-R is a low production, high performance sports car which has been designed and manufactured to maximize its performance capabilities. Therefore, the Nissan GT-R offers unique capabilities but also has unique characteristics that are intrinsic to the GT-R's normal operation that are outside of or different from other vehicles. Owning one therefore requires additional and special consideration and understanding regarding the GT-R's driving and operation characteristics, sounds and increased service and maintenance requirements. We encourage you to test drive your GT-R with your GT-R Certified Dealer to better understand its unique characteristics.
Vehicle Sale
You are buying one of the most anticipated vehicles recently introduced in the USA. Please read the pre-sale disclosure information. Unfortunately, because demand may exceed the monthly supply, availability of the Nissan GT-R may be limited and dealers may not have an inventory. There may be a period of time between placing an order for a vehicle and taking receipt of it. Depending on the duration, it is possible that:
There may be changes in the specifications of your vehicle, or availability of colors and features. Your dealer will be able to keep you advised of any changes.
While there may be changes in final MSRP pricing of your vehicle, in accordance with state law, your actual purchase price will be determined by your selling dealer and subject to your contract(s) with your selling dealer.
Vehicle Operations
Before operating your vehicle or contacting your dealership with concerns regarding your vehicle's operations, please carefully read your Owner's Manual, Nissan GT-R Warranty Booklet, and the Service and Maintenance Guide for necessary additional information concerning the proper operation, operational characteristics (including different types of sounds, noises or wear which are normal for this vehicle) and service and maintenance requirements.
Because the Nissan GT-R is a high performance sports car, some of the vehicle's systems operate differently and exhibit different characteristics than less sophisticated vehicles. For example (not intended as a comprehensive list – please refer to your owner's manual):
1. Brakes
The brake system is designed for and uses materials which enhance maximum performance under a wide range of operating conditions. Brake sounds such as squeaks and squeals during use are to be expected on this vehicle; this characteristic is intrinsic to this vehicle and cannot be eliminated. The rate of pad and rotor wear may also be greater than you have experienced on other vehicles.
2. Suspension
The suspension and tires are specially designed for the Nissan GT-R and are designed and calibrated for maximum road performance. The tires and suspension are calibrated to deliver vehicle performance, not a premium luxury ride. As a result, there will be more, different and louder sounds and road feel from the tires and suspension than with other vehicles. These conditions are normal and are to be expected. Different road surfaces will increase or moderate the road noise.
3. Transmission
Due to the performance capabilities and requirements of the GT-R, the sequential six-speed dual clutch transmission is unlike a typical automatic transmission. You will likely hear pronounced mechanical sounds from the transmission, particularly at slow speeds, at idle and in neutral. This condition is normal.
This vehicle is equipped with hill start assist. This system automatically keeps the brakes applied to help prevent the vehicle from rolling backwards in the time it takes to release the brake pedal and apply the accelerator pedal when the vehicle is stopped on a hill. Hill start assist is designed to hold the vehicle for only a short period of time and is not a substitute for proper driving technique.
4. Fuel Filler
When filling the Nissan GT-R with fuel, do not top off the fuel tank after the automatic shutoff activates. It is possible that spills will occur should the fuel tank continue to be filled beyond the automatic shut-off.
5. Driver Break-in Period
The Nissan GT-R requires a special break-in schedule to obtain maximum engine performance and to ensure the future reliability and maximized economy of your new vehicle. Failure to follow these recommendations may result in shortened engine life, reduced engine performance or damage resulting in repairs not covered by your warranty. Refer to the Owner's Manual for details regarding the break-in period.
Special Maintenance & Warranty
The Nissan GT-R is specially designed and engineered to maximize its performance capabilities and has unique features and service requirements requiring specially trained technicians and some specialized equipment.
1. Warranty
All warranty repairs may only be completed at a Nissan Certified GT-R dealership, and it is most highly recommended that all services be performed by a Nissan Certified GT-R dealer.
2. Delivery
Your GT-R's proper operation, including its engine and suspension settings, was specially tested by Nissan after production. Your vehicle will therefore be delivered with some mileage reflected on the odometer.
3. Performance Optimization Services
In addition to regular periodic maintenance recommended by Nissan, the Nissan GT-R requires the following special inspections to be completed at a Certified GT-R dealership at the assigned intervals. Failing to timely have these services performed will affect both your warranty coverage and your continued proper operation of and satisfaction with your GT-R:
Measurement and adjustment, if needed, of wheel alignment
Engine settings
Transmission settings
These inspections are required at the following intervals: 1,000 miles, 12 months, 24 months and 36 months. As set out in the GT-R Owner's Manual and Service Maintenance Guide, these Performance Optimization Services will be completed free of charge.
4. Maintenance Costs
Engine/Transmission: As a high performance sports car, the cost of maintaining the Nissan GT-R (parts and labor costs) will be higher than other vehicles. Among those requirements are:
The VR38 engine, with its plasma-sprayed bores, was developed using Mobil 1 (0W-40, 100% synthetic) motor oil. This oil should be used to ensure proper engine operation and durability.
The VDC unit and other related parts were specially designed for R35 Special 2 Brake Fluid. This brake fluid should be used to ensure the best performance and proper operation of the vehicle.
Genuine Nissan Transmission Oil R35 Special (100% synthetic) is unique to the Nissan GT-R and was specially developed to maximize the friction characteristics of the clutch and the lubrication of the gear bearings. This fluid is required and the use of additives is prohibited.
To efficiently transfer high power to each axle and to protect the GT-R's mechanical limited slip differential, Castrol SAF-XJ 75W-140 (100% synthetic) high viscosity gear oil was used.
Please also note that the coolant mixture ratio impacts cooling performance and freezing temperature. See the Owner's Manual for proper coolant mixture ratio.
Brakes: The Nissan GT-R's rotors are cross-drilled with six-piston front and four-piston rear floating calipers, helping to achieve excellent stopping performance and fade resistance. The rotors are not designed to be machined, therefore, all four sets of brake pads and rotors should be replaced at the same time. This is normal maintenance for this vehicle.
Tires: The Nissan GT-R is equipped with high performance, low profile, run-flat tires that are optimized for performance and handling. The life of these tires will be less than those of tires installed on a typical vehicle; and you are likely to experience reduced tread life, uneven tire wear and tire noise regardless of the type of tire used. In many situations it may be necessary to replace all four tires if only one tire is worn or damaged.
5. Body Repairs
Due to the types of materials used for the body and given the precise assembly of the vehicle, body damage requiring certain repairs will need to be completed at a GT-R Certified body shop. Your Nissan Certified GT-R dealership can direct you to a qualified body shop. Because of the specialized body repair requirements, it may not be unusual for the nearest GT-R Certified body shop to be a considerable distance from either the Nissan Certified GT-R dealership or your current location, requiring additional vehicle transport at your expense. Additionally, repair times for body work may require more time than you may have experienced with other vehicles.
6. Data Recorders
The Nissan GT-R is equipped with a Vehicle Status Data Recorder which is capable of recording the vehicle's operating conditions and monitoring component replacement or reprogramming and may be used to perform and administer warranty repairs. Other vehicle operational information may be logged in the Electronic Control Module and the Transmission Control Module which may also be accessed during investigations into component failure and in performing and administering warranty repairs. Additionally, the Nissan GT-R is equipped with an Event Data Recorder which records crash data in the event of a crash.
Advisory of MY2010 Specification Change
The MY2010 Nissan GT-R features enhanced programming that will optimize clutch-engagement control for improved driveability. The maximum RPM for initial start with VDC ON has been increased, providing increased power at launch with smooth and powerful acceleration which will be improved compared to the original specification MY2009 vehicles prior to implementation of this upgrade. Maximum RPM at launch with VDC OFF (which should only be used when stuck in snow or mud) has been decreased, and acceleration with VDC OFF will be moderated.
The GT-R will continue to offer supercar characteristics of exceptional handling, maneuvering, and overall driving experience. You are reminded to drive safely and obey all traffic laws. The GT-R Owner's Manual expressly warns against driving with the VDC OFF (except to free the vehicle when stuck in mud or snow) to avoid damage. Repairs for damage caused by driving with VDC OFF are expressly excluded under the terms of the Nissan GT-R New Car Limited Warranty. To avoid risk for such repairs, you are reminded to drive with VDC ON at all times. Except when stuck, there is no reason to be driving with VDC OFF.
Exclusions and Limitations to Manufacturers Warranty
Please read your GT-R Warranty Information Booklet carefully. The Nissan GT-R warranty provides you with extensive coverage when the vehicle is operated in accordance with the Owner's Manual. The warranty includes a number of other specific conditions, exclusions and limitations, which include (but are not limited to) exclusions due to failures resulting from:
Racing, competitive driving of any sort and/or any use on a track or airstrip, or otherwise not operating or maintaining the vehicle as set out in the Owner's Manual and Service and Maintenance Guide;
Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC) off, except when rocking vehicle when stuck in mud or snow;
Not adhering to the service and maintenance requirements set out in the Nissan GT-R Owner's Manual and the Service and Maintenance Guide, including failures resulting from the use of non-Genuine Nissan Parts or required or recommended fluids;
Improper repairs or services rendered at facilities other than Nissan Certified GT-R dealerships;
Failing to have the Performance Optimization Services completed in a timely manner;
Genuine Nissan Parts not intended for use on the GT-R, including NISMO parts not specifically designed and manufactured for application to the GT-R, or any non-Genuine Nissan Parts;
Replacing a GT-R special specification part with a non-GT-R special specification part (see GT-R Owner's Manual for the list of GT-R special specification parts);
Operating the GT-R on a dynamometer, except a dynamometer test performed to comply with applicable local law for emissions testing.
Additionally, some modifications will VOID your GT-R New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage. Read your warranty information booklet carefully for specific details of all terms, conditions, limitations and exclusions.
Important: Additional Exclusion and Warranty Voiding
Damage to the powertrain, or any drivetrain component(s) that occurs when there is a record in the Vehicle System Data Recorder (VSDR) that the vehicle was driven with the VDC off during the period when the damage was incurred is excluded from coverage under this warranty.
Adding, replacing, reprogramming, attempting to reprogram, altering or disconnecting any computer, control unit, or electronic module or deleting any or all stored information in any computer, control unit, or electronic module, or denying access to any data or information stored in any computer, control unit, or electronic module VOIDS ALL COVERAGE under the 2010 Nissan GT-R New Vehicle Limited Warranty. Such actions are also "misuse" and "tampering" as those terms are used under "What Is Not Covered" in the warranty. See your Owners Manual for additional important information and related warnings
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05-25-2009, 10:57 PM
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Well, they're the ones providing the warranty. They can revoke it for whatever reasons they see fit.
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05-25-2009, 11:30 PM
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Wow... that really sucks for the GT-R owners...
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05-25-2009, 11:42 PM
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I think this is a great step for nissan especially in these tough economic times. I mean if your gonna mod a turbo car like plenty of people are doing. Why should they warranty anything for you? Keep the car 100% stock = warranty , mod it and you lose the warranty makes sense to me.
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05-25-2009, 11:46 PM
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I really think GT-R is an amazing car, it's fast around on the Nurburgring...
but all these warranty issues...it really needs work.
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05-26-2009, 11:53 AM
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just stop buying Nissan and let them go bankrupt !
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Don't porsche and BMW actually encourage you to race the car? What is the point in having that much power and then not using it on the track?
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05-26-2009, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by penner2k  Don't porsche and BMW actually encourage you to race the car? What is the point in having that much power and then not using it on the track? | No, Porsche will void warranty as well if you race it.
Same as Mitsubishi EVO.
I think we had thread about this.
not sure about bmw
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05-26-2009, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by penner2k Don't porsche and BMW actually encourage you to race the car? What is the point in having that much power and then not using it on the track? | i agree. I think it will backfire and end up encouraging "street racing".
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Uh. Unless they have gps on the car the blackbox won't know the difference between a track and the road.
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Originally Posted by penner2k Uh. Unless they have gps on the car the blackbox won't know the difference between a track and the road. | The Nissan GT-R recognizes tracks via GPS and removes the speed limiter. But only in Japan.
Here it just has a higher limiter.
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Oh. So it removes the limiter. But voids the warranty.
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Besides the racing part,
I have to agree with nissan for the voiding of the warranty mostly.
If your gonna modify your car with aftermarket parts, its your responsibility or the manufacturer of that part's responsibility, not nissan.
There really isn't much point to turning off VDC anyways so who cares, easy to resist. but i don't think they should make the button look so tempting to touch, but obviously if you just turn it off its okay, as long as ur not racing around with the VDC off.
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05-26-2009, 02:53 PM
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How long is the warranty on the GT-R anyways.
I can't wait to start seeing 800hp GT-R's just like what happened to the Supra MKIV.
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You know I really fucking hate this car.
I hate how they make some bold claims and then create a scare tactic so that nobody can really employ what the car has been designed to do. There seems to be little point in buying the car other than to say 'I have a GTR'.
That's like making a car for racing, marketing the car as the ultimate race or track car and then saying that you must never race it, launch it or track it. Marketing gimmick at it's finest.
I have actually driven the GTR in the US when I was in Boston a few weeks ago and while I will admit I never had the opportunity to drive it aggressively or very fast, it really let me down.
I am not impressed with the interior or exterior. Acceleration was very good but not jaw dropping and the road feel was average for the type of car it is.
Overall, I was not impressed. The way I see it, Nissan has created a disposable fanboi-mobile. Marketed as a rocket, only to be used as a tug boat and at a price that plenty are willing to pay.
The co-worker that was kind enough to let me try out his car agreed that he purchased the car more on hype and felt the car does under deliver.
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Originally Posted by Timpo No, Porsche will void warranty as well if you race it.
Same as Mitsubishi EVO.
I think we had thread about this.
not sure about bmw | Porsche will NOT void your warranty if you race your car. They will void your warranty on the engine if the black box tells them you overreved the engine with a money shift.
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Originally Posted by Eastwood How long is the warranty on the GT-R anyways.
I can't wait to start seeing 800hp GT-R's just like what happened to the Supra MKIV. | there's probably going to be like 1000+ hp GT-R (modded of course) soon enough..
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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris You know I really fucking hate this car.
I hate how they make some bold claims and then create a scare tactic so that nobody can really employ what the car has been designed to do. There seems to be little point in buying the car other than to say 'I have a GTR'.
That's like making a car for racing, marketing the car as the ultimate race or track car and then saying that you must never race it, launch it or track it. Marketing gimmick at it's finest.
I have actually driven the GTR in the US when I was in Boston a few weeks ago and while I will admit I never had the opportunity to drive it aggressively or very fast, it really let me down.
I am not impressed with the interior or exterior. Acceleration was very good but not jaw dropping and the road feel was average for the type of car it is.
Overall, I was not impressed. The way I see it, Nissan has created a disposable fanboi-mobile. Marketed as a rocket, only to be used as a tug boat and at a price that plenty are willing to pay.
The co-worker that was kind enough to let me try out his car agreed that he purchased the car more on hype and felt the car does under deliver. | +1 to that comment.
kinda annoyed by the hype already..
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Originally Posted by ilvtofu Besides the racing part,
I have to agree with nissan for the voiding of the warranty mostly.
If your gonna modify your car with aftermarket parts, its your responsibility or the manufacturer of that part's responsibility, not nissan.
There really isn't much point to turning off VDC anyways so who cares, easy to resist. but i don't think they should make the button look so tempting to touch, but obviously if you just turn it off its okay, as long as ur not racing around with the VDC off. | kinda off topic, but would hyundai void the warranty if you mod its genesis coupe (the rwd, turbo coupe with brembo brakes)?
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Is this policy for both the states and Canada ? Or just the states?
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Originally Posted by orange7 kinda off topic, but would hyundai void the warranty if you mod its genesis coupe (the rwd, turbo coupe with brembo brakes)? | There is a law stating that the dealership has to prove that the aftermarket is the direct cause of a failure in order for the warranty to be void. I am not sure if this is only applicable in the states though...
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05-26-2009, 09:56 PM
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just because they threaten to void the warranty, doesn't mean no one's gonna use it to it's full potential,
In fact I bet most GTR owners tell nissan to fuck their warranty, and do whatever the hell they want with it. Issue of the transmission was rare but wide spread, thats a scare tactic too!
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Originally Posted by ilvtofu Issue of the transmission was rare but wide spread, thats a scare tactic too! | No it wasn't. You must be a GT-R fanboi.
Something like 20 GT-R transmissions broke within the first month of release - all of them warranty voided. Would you seriously call that a rare occurrence.
People now are just smart enough to turn off their traction control switch when doing hard launches.
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fuck does it really matter if u have a warranty? i mean if u can afford a GTR does it matter? and im pretty sure 800HP R34s dont come with warranties
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Of course a warrenty matters.
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