Officer asked to look under the hood, is this a "search" I just got pulled over tonight for speeding and the officer was really concerned if i was running a Cat. or not he asks me if i was running one and i told him i wasn't sure. he kneels on the floor and looks, then he asks me to open the hood, I ask him if this is a search, because I am not allowing him to search my car. his answer was that he is not searching my car but checking my car. and that i must open it for him, so i didn't want to make a big deal out of it, so i opened it for him. long story short, he said he couldn't find a Cat. gave me a speeding ticket(146-1), and said my vehicle was not equipped. in compliant with MVA, MVAR (219- 1) he also gave me a "notice and order" slip he noted "no cat. *must be inspected at Richmond Acura per MVAR" is the officer allowed to specify witch garage i need to get a VI? this dose not sound right! got my car towed to a towing company, he said that i could go and get my car anytime, and that I needed to take it to Richmond acura for a VI he also took my plates if anyone that is familiar with the law, plz reply or give me a PM i can share with you the entire story, and see what your professional opinion is. thank you also, can the officer accurately determine my speed if both cars were going in the opposite direction? would this even be reasonable for him to pull me over? |
Wait, why does he need to open your hood to check if you have cats in there Also if he knew better the smell would give it away |
i shut off the engine before he came out from his car. some of the new cars like the civics with the R18s have the cat basically in the engine bay, right after the block this officer knew what he was looking for. |
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To clarify, did you get a ticket for speeding, a ticket for not having a cat, and a VI? The VI and the "no cat" ticket (if you were issued one) are sort of redundant. You could probably argue for a fine reduction on the "no cat" ticket. If I were a judge, and I saw that you had to pay for the VI and the necessary repairs to your car, I'd probably reduce the fine for the actual ticket itself. Especially once I heard that the cop had your car towed. Anyway, my real concern with your situation is twofold: 1) Why did he say you HAD to go to Richmond Acura? As far as I know a VI can be performed at any certified shop. Pretty sure he's wrong about this, and you can go wherever the hell you please. I remember a topic on this a while back (in this forum)... try searching perhaps. (FYI, family-run places like "Bobs Garage" usually do a less thorough job, so you might get away with a burnt out bulb or something, but I don't think you'll be able to pass without a cat converter!) 2) Why did he take away your plates and have your car towed? I'm sure he is within his rights to do this, but it seems excessive given the nature of your offense. Not having a cat installed is usually the sort of thing that becomes an issue when you need to pass AirCare. I've never heard of a police officer seizing a vehicle because of this. Good luck with your situation man, sounds like a real pain in the ass. |
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he states that I MUST go to Richmond acura.... and it says so on the notice and order slip. i have a very hard time believing that he can actually tell me where i go to get a VI if i do dispute this, dose this mean i can't drive my car until this is settled??? this is ridiculous! I got 2 "offenses" speeding and vehicle not equipped, in compliant with MVA, MVAR |
I would think if you have previous history with a said dealership/shop they would allow you to go to a different certified shop. What if i ran over the owner of richmond acura's owner's dog? then he'd definitely have it in for me, and fail my car for having a tear in my seat, or something similar. |
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You can dispute both "offense" tickets, however, and you certainly should dispute the "vehicle not equipped" one and seek a reduction in the fine. Save the receipts from the VI and any labour related to the cat converter install, and take them to court with you. Argue that it cost X dollars for the repair and the VI, that you've learned your lesson, and that you can't afford the ticket AND the VI/repairs. You'll be able to drive your car as soon as you pass the VI, you do not have to wait for the disputed tickets to be resolved. After you file a dispute, you'll receive a letter in the mail with a court hearing date and time. Usually the letter comes within 6-9 months after filing, and the court date will be another few months after that. If you fail to show up in court or you lose the court case, the outstanding fines are due immediately*. * "Immediately" means that you won't be able to renew your license until they're paid, so you may not have to pay for another few months after that. I got a ticket in Dec of 2006, disputed it, got a court date mailed to me 12 months later... the court date was Mar 16 2008. I eventually paid the fine in October of 2008 when I renewed my license, nearly 2 years after the offense. |
As far as vehicle inspections go, you can bring them to any certified shop. The only time you go to a specific shop is when there is a court order for it. Quote:
EDIT: box 1 meant! |
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I actually got two VI's in a week. I told the second cop I'd been given a VI a week prior, and I assured him I'd have it done within the 30-day window. He decided that 30 days was "far too long" and told me I should have already had it done... so he issued me a ticket for no front plate and another for front window tint, and made me bring my car to the police station within 7 days and prove to him I'd removed the tint and put the front plate back on. VI's are incredibly frustrating. :thumbsup: |
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FWIW, even if the cop doesn't specify, it still has to be a *DESIGNATED INSPECTION FACILITY*, which means they're supposed to know what to inspect and the level to inspect it to... so you can't just go to any little "Bob's Garage". |
ok thanks for your output guys! so i'm going to go to Richmond Acura once i believe my car is ready. get everything done, then keep all my receipts and dispute the "Vehicle not equipped in compliant with MVA, MVAR" offense. should i bother with disputing my speeding offense? i don't think i can get away with it. also, will I need to get my SRS light fixed before i go in for a VI? |
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I believe that it was he issued this VI to me on an unreasonable grounds he claims i was going 88 in a 50 zone Quote:
this isn't right, he shouldn't be allowed to tell me what shop to go to this is biest! he is just saying that all the other certified mechanic with out of province inspection license are shady.... this is a Box 1 |
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If not, it was issued on reasonable grounds. Your car should not be on the road without one and was towed accordingly. I am going to assume you don't have one, cause your language suggests your hiding something. The car is probably modified and you know there is no cat. |
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why do you think so many people get away with growing weed in their house? cuz the police do not have an reasonable grounds to search the house. they need evidence before to prove first. how long have you been on the force for? |
Front tint is reasonable grounds for him to give you a VI, and it didn't take a search for him to see it. Would you grow your weed in a flower pot sitting on your front porch? |
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You've already been corrected in this thread, lets not make it three times. RVA 25.08 Quote:
Grow up. |
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And now you find out.. oh no, it's illegal. The police enforce the laws, and you are the one breaking them. How surprised some kids like you get... :haha: And of course, good ol' XtC-604 spouting his usual trash mouth. |
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i had an officer ask me to pop the hood once. i had nothing to hide so i complied. he asked me if i had a NOS intake :lol :haha: |
Won’t be able to reference precedent here, but both your trunk, and engine bay are considered locked areas of your vehicle, and thus subject to the same “privacy” rights as the interior of your vehicle; What ever you can see from the outside is fair game. Only what an officer is able to observe externally is able to provide grounds for requesting a search and only if specific conditions are met. They may only search (if you are not under arrest or have given permission) if they have reasonable grounds to believe you have committed a CRIMINAL offense. Traffic and regulation offenses are obviously not criminal, therefore there is no reason, and no requirement to allow them to search any private areas. You would have likely still received have the VI, but his basis for this would have only been on his external vehicle observations. The one caveat is that you complied, plain and simple. You gave him permission. You could argue coercion, but best of luck. Of course, this is open to correction. I await more childish replies from the "Got What You Deserve" audience. |
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Soundy, most newer cars produce less emissions than cars of the 90s, or early 2000s even without a cat. But thats besides the point. |
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Even a cat on a header downpipe is visible if you look under the car (unless it is slammed and you cannot get under the car). The DriveClean program in Ontario even runs roadside checks with mirrors to look under the car. So don't think cause you deny them to pop your hood you are getting off. Quote:
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