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Old 11-27-2012, 01:33 PM   #1
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China is going to build the worlds tallest building in 3 months

China gonna china...

220 stories in 90 days starting in January. will house 30,000 people



The 90-day challenge starts in January, when the 220-storey tower will sprout module-by-module from a piece of farmland in the southeastern Chinese city of Changsha. Although Broad and its chairman Zhang Yue have stunned the world before — first in 2010 by building a 15-storey hotel in 48 hours and again a year later by stacking together a 30-storey tower in just 15 days — this latest creation, nicknamed Sky City, is the most audacious and aptly named: After the modules are stacked at a rate of roughly five storeys per day, Sky City will boast a hospital, a school, 17 helipads, and enough apartments to house 30,000.

“If anyone else in the world made such a claim, it would be immediately thought of as crazy,” Mr. Beaudet said. “But China is very strong in engineering and organization.”

The prefabricated tower — “prefab,” as the technique is already dubbed — will rise 10 metres higher than the current tallest building, Dubai’s Burj Khalifa, and according to Time.com it will rise a whopping 24 times quicker. For all its wonder, though, Sky City is not the culmination of Mr. Zhang’s lofty ambitions.

“Pinned up on his office wall are plans for a project even more audacious — an almost preposterously massive building two kilometres high,” Reuters Magazine recently reported. “When asked to estimate the odds of his 636-floor giganto-scraper ever being built, Mr. Zhang responds without hesitation, ‘100%!’”



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Will it be left empty like other buildings in China? but good for them America can learn a lesson or 2. They are still not even close to finishing the new world trade center buildings.
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whenever the chinese boast about how fast they can build something, it will always remind me of this

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I wonder how many safety things they will skip to meet the deadline.
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whenever the chinese boast about how fast they can build something, it will always remind me of this

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This was actually the first thing that came to my mind after reading 90 days. I'm not doubting they can't do it but I hope they don't cut too many corners just to meet the deadline.
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I wonder how many safety things they will skip to meet the deadline.
just a quick guess.... but... all of them
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whats the point for having such a fast deadline? just for the WOW factor?
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30,000 people is quite impressive though.
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i could imagine quantity >quality is the case here...
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How long before squatters move into the 25,000 unoccupied units and that whole place becomes a slum?
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china and dubai are competing for smallest penis/biggest buildings ratio
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It wouldn't take more than a Cessna to knock it over when its complete.

They sure don't build worlds tallest buildings like they used to.
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it's pre-fab. imo that shit don't count.
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woah.

Imagine living in those other buildings surrounding it? I'd be shitting my pants.
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God damn that's an ugly building. At least the Burj Khalifa's looks are both functional (to combat the wind) and aesthetically pleasing.
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Will it be left empty like other buildings in China? but good for them America can learn a lesson or 2. They are still not even close to finishing the new world trade center buildings.


Will the new skyscraper stand up to an earthquake?

Quality of work is a huge factor over using the right materials. Just because you can build it fast doesn't mean anything if the wind can blow it over.
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built in 90 days..... but might not last 90 days....
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Depends on when they start counting the 90 days. The construction is all modular, so a lot of work can happen offsite. The logistics of moving all that material from supplier to site will take a good chunk of time, already. I don't see it happening in 90 days, unless it's just a shell, but we're not talking about North Korea here.
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H&S is probably an acronym for a hat and some socks...

Part of me wishes that they prove everyone wrong and this building goes down in history, but another part of me wishes it falls over into the ocean by some wind...
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they have safety regulations in china?
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The immediate thing that comes to mind is the shape of the building, is it designed to withstand the winds that high up?

I remember someone told me the Dubai building is curved and shaped in a way that it won't rip apart from the constant high winds at that altitude
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An interesting article about this project:

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In June, Chinese company Broad Sustainable Building (BSB) stunned the construction industry with its audacious proposal to build the world’s tallest building in a mere 90 days.

BSB’s ‘Sky City’ is a 220-storey, 838m tower in Changsha, Hunan Province, with construction penciled to start in November 2012 and finish in January 2013.

The project has reportedly received backing from the local authorities and is pending ‘final approval from the government’, according to information on the company’s website.

BSB claims the secret to building fast lies in its use of its ‘modular technology’ which features ‘95% factory prefabrication at a five-storey per day construction speed’.
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This method was used in the company’s successful construction of a 30-storey hotel in 360 hours in December 2011, following its previous completion of a 15-storey building in six days.

According to Bart Leclercq, head of structures Middle East for WSP - the engineering firm behind The Shard in London - prefabrication is certainly a concept that makes sense. “I absolutely love the idea that they are looking at ways to speed up construction.

“To prefabricate, plan ahead and assemble units before they are hoisted into place and connected together - I think that’s innovative. You can see that happening more and more. I think that’s brilliant and I love the ambition.”

He continues: “From an investor’s point of view they want to build this as quickly as possible. There are always booms and busts, so I imagine they really want to speed things up [before the next downturn].

“BSB has got a lot of people thinking about prefabrication. It’s great because you are able to manufacture everything under good circumstances in factories. You can make sure the conditions are right, which is difficult on site. I think that is definitely the way forward.”

Kevin Brass, public affairs manager and journal editor for the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (CTBUH), also notes that prefabrication is a method worth exploring more. “There is a lot of innovation in tall building design. Prefabrication is not new but it is an idea worth examining to create an efficient building in more efficient timelines, with fewer materials and a lower cost. That is really worth taking a look at, especially in China, where there is a huge demand for tall buildings.”

Yet Brass adds that building a super tall is very different from a mid-rise tower. “They [BSB] have certainly shown they can build quickly, but this new proposal is a different scale. The prefabrication process and the sheer quantity of materials necessary is a real challenge. A small building doesn’t prove that they can build at that height.”

Leclercq agrees: “By trial and error they have established that this is quite possible. But don’t forget, this is a 220-storey tower - this is no joke.”

After thoroughly scrutinising the details of the Sky City ‘blueprint’ document on BSB’s website, Leclercq highlights the absence of a wind load strategy. He continues: “What I find strange is they are talking about safety and ‘magnitude nine earthquake resistance’.

“But anyone designing a tall building will know that once you go over 30 or 35 storeys, earthquake is not the governing load - it’s wind. Especially when you are talking about a building this kind of shape.

“You are talking about an enormous wind load. This document makes no mention of wind. There will be an enormous horizontal load all the way to the bottom of the tower.”

CTBUH’s Brass concurs: “There are forces working on a building that tall, including the wind. It is not a minor thing at that height.”

Leclercq continues: “By just using these simple units all put together, you’re not going to get enough stiffness; this building will have an enormous storey drift and it will sway. It would be interesting to see their concept for the structure and how they are going to deal with the stiffness, the strength and the size of the columns.

“As you go down the structure, the building will have to carry the enormous load of an almost one-kilometre high tower on top of it. You need big structural elements to deal with that. If it got built I don’t think I would feel safe in this tower, unless I had a really good understanding of how they put it all together.”

Whereas the Burj Khalifa cost around US$1.5bn, BSB claims its project will only come to $628m. Leclercq asserts: “If you are doing it for half of the cost, it suggests you are only putting half of the materials in there, which means you will only have half the stiffness and half the strength. I think this is not going to fly.

“The Burj Khalifa is all about the stiffness and the strength. The skyscraper is a structural element - it is a pin stuck in the ground. If you are saying you can do it for half the money I don’t believe that is the case. You have to pay for every cubic metre of concrete that goes in there - that’s what your price is based on.”

He continues: “I’m very skeptical about this project and I don’t know how serious it is. It looks like it could be a marketing ploy rather than a real scheme, otherwise there would be much more factual information in there, such as talk about the wind. It doesn’t look right at all. I don’t think an actual architect or structural engineer has looked at it.

“Maybe the blueprint is conceptual and they will hand over to the architect. But when you are doing the design of a skyscraper, the first thing you look at is the stiffness - the structural elements. An architect and a structural engineer are in constant dialogue and working on the floor plans. This is not going to work.”
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Brass adds: “ It is hard to get accurate information out of China. A building of this height is such an involved science - it is not a simple thing. Architects like Adrian Smith [architect of the Burj Khalifa] are the foremost experts in this field. It is up to NASA levels [of design and engineering] and is not something that can be handed over a lunch napkin.”

Yet if BSB is working with the architects of Burj Khalifa as claimed in its blueprint, is it technically possible to build a 220-storey tower in three months?

Leclercq believes that the Burj Khalifa’s construction timeframe of five years cannot be beaten at the current time. “I think they did a tremendous job to build the Burj Khalifa in five years,” he opines.

“With all the construction methods we have and the knowledge we have, they managed to squeeze the maximum speed on that particular project. I really believe they did it as quickly as was technically possible. I don’t see any other way they could build it faster.”

He continues: “In order to get stiffness in your building you need lots of area of concrete and steel. And in order to get that all in place, you need an enormous amount of time to bring it up, put it in place, put it all together, pour the concrete and put the reinforcement in place.

“You need high-strength concrete for a building like this and to make sure you can work with it you put plasticisers so it takes longer to harden. The really high-strength concrete goes off really quickly and you can’t pour it in place any more. For the concrete to harden you can only take the shuttering away after several days. You can only pour a few metres height metres each time. So, no I don’t think it’s possible to build a 220-storey tower as quickly as the company claims.

“If they manage to build this structure in three months then I will give up structural engineering. I will hang my hat and retire. I will be eating humble pie as well.”

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The immediate thing that comes to mind is the shape of the building, is it designed to withstand the winds that high up?

I remember someone told me the Dubai building is curved and shaped in a way that it won't rip apart from the constant high winds at that altitude
Exactly what I was thinking. Building something that high you definitely need good aerodynamics.
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