I am A Christian. However, I also have my own views on things that conflicts with the Bible.

So whenever that happens, i challenge God and ask him my questions.

I react also within reason and dependent on situation, my faith is a guideline, but doesn't completely dictate what I do. What does dictate what I do is my ethics, which is a combination of experience, teachings from my fore-fathers, and my own discoveries.

studies have proven that every single living organism that has inhabited our planet has evolved from single-celled microorganisms. every living thing ever has come from one thing. this means every living organism is connected.
along the same lines, earth occurred from something in the universe. in essence, if we dig deep enough, we see that everything in the universe is connected.
you can not prove their is a god any more than you can disprove it.
how can anyone prove there is/isn't when there is no clear interpretation of what it really is?
so why ask why? i just hope, whatever your choice may be, it makes you a better person for it :thumbsup:

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Watching the video, I hate how Believers use the questions "What if you're wrong" as a retort. I hate how they throw this retort around like this very same question cannot be applied to them.

What if they're wrong? Then they just wasted they're one chance of existence in this world on a farce of a life. :confused:

that sounds deep, so I'm not even gonna try interpreting it when I can't even think straight lol.
I think though, in man's image, a God is an omni-being.
That being said, any being with omni-qualities can be God, and I fail to see any way that a being can be that perfect.

I share similiar beliefs with [j]nBk.

We don't know if there is God or not. You can only believe. There's no person that is totally convinced of God's existence or non-existence through logic. So you can use as many arguments as you want. Nobody is convincing nobody here.

Its only your emotions that convince you whether or not God exists.

You assume and then you use "logic" to justify. YOU DON'T KNOW.

I'm willing to bet, that most arguments that people are putting forth isn't really their own ideas. Its what they saw in a movie, or what they googled on the net or what they read from a book, or what their atheist professor told them or what their pastor told them. You guys are just repeating these arguments over again and again. in some cases atheists can totally win in some arguments and in other a cases theists can win.

But in the end, you don't know whether or not God exists.

most intelligent post so far. thank you.

people just like to jump on the bandwagon. atheism has been on the rise and people tend to go with the flow. it's not any different from mullets in the 80's and faux hawks of today. later on we'll just look back and call it stupid.

people have really no basis to argue either way. it just really annoys me that atheists claim to have the definitive answer to the question. science this, science that. shut up already. science is constantly changing and what are thought to be known facts are always modified by newer discoveries. science is by no means perfect. a true advocate of science will be indecisive as opposed to having a conclusive answer. hell, we're not even close to fully understanding how our brain works and now we have the balls to say that there isn't anything more than us. now that's closed-minded.

pretty much exactly what i was saying from the get go.
though i think a better question would have been: if you do believe in god, what is it/he/she to you?

I SAY : ignore the FUCKING design of the catholic church, THAT is completely irrelevant and a HUMAN design. The question is: does a creator exist? The fact that we have to pay 10% to the church or whatever is SO FUCKING IRRELEVANT. The church leaders know no more about ultimate truth than we do, so no more arguments about the absurdity of what they want HERE on earth. Please.

People tend to use God and religion to explain that which science has not explained yet.
For all we know, our entire planet could be a science experiment by aliens who have been in existence far longer than we have. Consider the following time frame:

Existence of the Universe after Big Bang (before which there was no time or matter)
-13.73 billion years (13,000,000,000)

Existence of JUST our Earth
-4.54 billion years

This alone means that there could have been other planets with species which could have developed and died BEFORE our Earth was even hospitable.

Although my opinion as a Science person is very skewed, I think all people are wasting time and resources studying stuff about ourselves. If I had my way, I'd throw all money into astronomical and physics research. In the end, it is the ONLY science anyways.

Note that at the same time I am not saying "God" does not exist, as "it" could be a far higher power that exists yet we do not comprehend or understand yet. To either accept or deny other worldly powers or entities would be irresponsible at best, and ignorant at worst.

Wrong.

Atheism is not a following. Atheism is only a reaction to Religion. Like I said, many of the now-atheists are from a religious background.

I believe in God :woot:

Awesome post. :)

I would rather say that in the end though, it's not whether we know a God exists or not but rather if we can prove it. "Knowing" is so subjective now, as we can see from all the other posts here. People know science; how do we know science is right? People know God; how do we know God exists? Each is true for that individual, and in either case it's faith.

I always likened God to one of those astronaut dads some kids have....
Dad has a kid, moves away to work. Kid never sees the dad, only hears about him from others; good AND bad stories. Sure he gets a Christmas or Birthday presents here and there, but how does that kid ever feel connected to the Dad? Of course the Dad wants the kid to love him, as any parent would; but is it still possible? He has never seen him, talked to him or anything. It really is all about faith and stuff.

I do however believe in iddqd

It doesn't matter what you believe in as long as you are a good person, and do good deeds for others.

atheism may not be a following per se and is only a reaction to religion. but atheism is still just a belief, not fact. people follow beliefs. and when we have people like richard dawkins we also get a bandwagon with his name on it.

I've seen Zeitgeist a number of times and it seems to me, it just disproves the Jesus story, not the existence of God. What I got from it was that Jesus is the "sun" of God.

Unfortunately, Zeitgeist is but one biased-assed film.
Then let's put it this way.
Do you believe in the (sun) God?

God help me one time when i was three, he tell me don't date inside your race, i will listen to him, because Chinese girl have garbage on their chest, hell.

Is a belief the same as a disbelief?

Many like to use big words such as beliefs and facts without being clear on their definitions.

If you like, almost everything including sense experience can be defined as a belief which makes the entire discussion meaningless.

Are you seeing a red desk? You can only say that you believe the desk is red as it appears to you as red. Your empirical proof is itself a belief.

To me, religion is impossible to accept because of its inconsistencies. All the different religions I have come across with, seem so manmade with strange sets of ethics and logics.

What is atheism? Let's not over complicate, it's simply a rejection of all these bogus stories.

For those who don't know, western atheism has its roots in pre-Socratic Greek philosophy, it goes back much more than Richard Dawkins. There are many other notable atheists in the modern times, including the late British philosopher Bertrand Russell to name another.

Excellent point!

I have a question for you all:

How many of you are just googling, wikipedia-ing and copy-and-pasting your ideas just to pretend you're a smart guy on the internet?

religion is good back 2000 yrs ago when people had nothing. They used religion to help them through the tough times which has worked ever since. I believe the bible was just written to help people out some things may have been tru but most of it is fiction.

I don't believe in GOD never have in my life but I do believe that their are advance civilations out there that are not gods but just advanced culutres. That being said I also think it could be possible that the human race was helped during the evolution or even not originally from this planet.


I havn't read this thread at all just to let you know.

who the hell would do that?
more importantly, why do you care if anybody is?

someone who wants some e-attention

because I will admit I have done it countless of times :D