Religon. Pretty typical when religon is involved.

LMAO at people that think Pali's only fire rockets at Israel because they are Jewish. I suppose they have no idea, or they just don't know about the blockade of resources, medical supplies, oil, electricity, foreign aid, or the land Israel continues to steal, the fact that Israel is an apartheid state where Arab's can't run for office, let alone walk on the same road as Jew's, or the constant check-points Pali's have to go through daily.

Now I do not agree with Hamas rockets, but the way Israel is dealing with the situation they created is horrible.

Look at the death toll. Hundreds of Pali's dead, and about 10-20 Israeli's dead. Then Obama comes and TV and condemns Hamas rockets in Israel, when Israel is targeting UN run schools.

Media-bias is a joke.

live webcam in gaza... most of it is pretty boring (nothing happening) but sometimes bombs are dropped. full auto fire is heard etc.

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are you really that ignorant?

if you want to talk about war crimes, take a look at the United States.

"Two wrongs dont make a right." But what would you do if your enemy was launching rockets at you and they would hide behind civilians? Its easy for us to say that the israelies are being too tough on Hamas but they really asked for it.

If you are not sure what I meant, try to take it as " WarCrime is Everywhere in the world"

Of course I know only the countries that lost the war would get punished by their "WARCRIMES" .....

I just wanted to be Netural on this topic as I was the OP.....

-What about Ahmad Tibi whose an Arab MP in the Israeli Knesset and is the leader of the "Arab nationalist party" in israel (They have their own party. How many jews have a party in an Arab country). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Tibi

- Arabs Can walk any road a Jewish person can walk. They are protected by law in israel. The same cannot be said for Jewish people walking on roads in Gaza or the West bank. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...rs-635280.html ( Just one of many)

- Israel supplies the majority of all of those things you listed. Why do they expect Israel to continue doing that when they are shooting rockets at them.

- "constant check-points Pali's have to go through daily". I have friends who work those check points. Bombs are confiscated daily. Some are even hidden in "pregnant" women's stomachs. Enough said.

- Minutes before the UN school was shot at, rockets were fired from it towards Israel. There was also a secondary explosion, Indication a cache of explosives. Why are Hamas shooting rockets from a civilian structure knowing 100% fully that Israel will retaliate within minutes.

You should be angry at Hamas for wearing civilian clothing, shooting rockets from civilian structure occupied by innocent civilians, using human shields, positioning snipers in civilian houses and religious buildings, digging smuggling tunnels under civilian homes, and foremost, for starting this bloody war.

For your first couple points I was stating stuff I knew Jimmy Carter has said. You're probably right on the subject.

I know Israel didn't start supplying those basics until they invaded, I guess they had to.

Check-points don't surprise me either, but if I was Arab living in that part of the world, I wouldn't want to live in those conditions. I'm sure you wouldn't either.

Never heard anything about the UN school firing rockets. I know school children were murdered. Also I hate when people use the subject of the opposition firing at civilians. Arabs and Jews both do it.

I base a lot of my stance on living conditions and casualties. It's hard not to argue Jewish aggression and occupation.

Also it's not a war, it's a massacre.

Also I forgot to add good write up. It's often impossible to sway someones views, but when you give them doubt that's when you know you've achieved something.

A massacre is when you go in shoot a bunch of people and get out. That's a massacre. A war is booby trapped dolls at the entrance of houses that explode once you enter a house and collapse the floor into a tunnel that was dug underneath it where terrorists are waiting to kidnap you. That's a war.

I'm liking this dialogue but we both have our mind made up. At this point, were just measuring dicks, and we all know mine's bigger :)

Hey what the hell, did you read my third post. I notice your from Richmond, too bad the only place you'll be measuring your dick is on the internet. And no 4 inches isn't bigger :D.

EDIT: Hey just out of curiosity how do you have a friend in IDF. Got any back-ground on this guy?

Hahaha I'm white by the way you racist. I actually have a bunch of friends in the IDF. A few of them are childhood friends from when I used to live there and a bunch or present friends who finished their duty last year or the previous year and came to Canada.

As stated, both sides are full of fucking idiots. Honestly, if it was not the Israeli's murdering Palestinians, it would be the Palestinians slaughtering the Israeli's.

There will be no end to this conflict and honestly if the US keeps just backing whatever Israel does, it will pay... again.

I'm not sure why we don't see this. Maybe it's because all we can think of is "they hate our way of life". Too bad it isn't that simple.

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I ALREADY DROPPED IT !

can i ask, for all of you who stand for the palestinians... please explain

other than the fact that is is war, and people are being killed. why are you standing up for them?

get this straight

there will be a war, it will not end.
in war, people die.

so you have to either stand up for the palestinians or israelis.

well u can pick no side, but then you can get out of this thread, cuz like i stated, the factor: war, cannot be removed from this.

so would u rather have israeli's being slaghtered or palestinians, that's the question.

pick one, i've already picked mine.

People choose a side depending on how they've been brought up, who to hate,who they like, who they think the victim is, who they feel compassion towards and etc.

The matter of fact is, there is no side.

Anyone who picks a side and says "People 'A' are fucking assholes for killing People 'B', they should all be killed and/or punished" is incredibly , perhaps even dangerously stupid.

Let me explain why this is.
You see, neither People 'A' nor 'B' are blood sucking , baby eating, mother fucking demons from hell. They are people, just like you and I.
The problem with humanity is that if we don't like someone we instantly dehumanize them. Through such a process we are able to live with our selves when we commit murder and who knows what else.

Incredibly, but not surprisingly, we really start to believe the other side to be an evil entity bent on evil and destruction.

People are stupid, we can't see that we're all wrong and that dehumanization is the cause of our problems.
We will NEVER stop fighting and killing one another unless we realize this.

But fuck it, it's much easier to just point and shoot. Right?

As you grow older, you realize there is really no right or wrong, just sides. Israelis is on the side of US, and so are we.
So if we were to pick ONE to get slaughtered, of course we'd pick Palestine

After all, our biased media has always make us believe palestines are the villians and israelis are the pity victim

Not really. For every media bias towards Palestine, we start to see equal media bias towards Israel as well. It's not as pronounced as it was decades ago so I think media bias is a moot point nowadays.

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-On monday Hamas raided aid trucks coming into Gaza and sold the contents to the highest bidder.

-"Israel is considering establishing a field hospital in the Gaza Strip to treat Palestinian civilians wounded in fighting between the IDF and Hamas"

-Hamas has set up a hospital in Gaza to treat its operatives. Most of the medicine used to treat them comes from the aid trucks which were meant for civilians.

-"The head of the Palestinian Authority's gas agency confirmed Tuesday that Hamas gunmen had raided the Palestinian side of the Nahal Oz fuel terminal, stealing at least 60,000 liters of fuel meant for the Gaza power station in order to fill their own vehicles."

Goggle it if you care enough.

disturbing..

This is a really good article from the National Post on the subject.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/wor...tml?id=1149129

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...tion+101&hl=en

Interesting video I found...